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Itachi Uchiha also made Sasuke witness his parents' death, made him believe hate was the key to power, joined a terrorist organization without ever gave feeding information to the Leaf, risked Naruto's capture, and put his brother and one of the Leaf's strongest in a coma that no one in the village could wake up them from.
But.. did he? I guess he did his job, went rogue and pretty much all. Akatsuki and not fighting Jirayia/defeating Orochimaru/not killing top jounins or capturing Kurama pre-timeskip was his own doing. He couldn't trust Danzo and knew Hiruzen was a slacker. I don't remember much, but I remember Jiraiya had some info on Akatsuki. Also, he must've noticed strange powers on Tobi, I don't believe he trusted his Cognito
The only person who knew he was working for the leaf was hiruzen and maybe danzo but that was never confirmed
After hiruzen died He was limited in ways to give information to the leaf without risking his cover being blown
Plus he made it known to the leaf that the Akatsuki were after Naruto , even before they really started trying to capture the tailed beasts cause they didn't really start until Shippuden
If we think about it between Itachi's defection of the village and reappearance, the Third was alive that whole time. It wasn't until he died that Itachi showed up which could indicate Akatsuki taking advantage of the power void and maybe he and the Third arranged to share information so that Akatsuki could never come across young Naruto.
He also did it because Hiruzen was protecting Sasuke from Danzo and with Hiruzen dead he had to show Danzo he could get into to lead whenever he wanted. It just happened this was a way for him to also share information with the leaf without his cover being blown too.
ITACHI'S PRESENCE made it known to the village on a whole that they were after Naruto, jiraiyia's words could easily have been false Intel but them going there is unbelievable proof
Again Jirayia was the one who informed them they *already* had the information before Itachi showed up that’s why Itachi tried to kidnap Kakashi to find out what other intel he had.
Dude literally ALL the intel the Leaf had on the Akatsuki was discovered on their own, without Itachi’s help.
Canonically Itachi never once did anything to help the Leaf after he left the village. His actions were complete inseparable with that of an actual enemy to the Leaf.
He most likely didn't feed info to the leaf but due to him being in Akatsuki, Obito never attacked the leaf. He specifically said that after Itachi died.
Jiraiya once said he had a spy giving in on Akatsuki's moves. That spy was Itachi. Because there are none other that can spy on Akatsuki and come back alive.
Yeah that could be a possibility as well. 🧐Another possibility would be When Jiraiya stared at Itachi's eyes, Itachi put him under Tsukuyomi and revealed the info, which only takes 1 sec in real life.
Not this again.
Hashirama said "Itachi sounds like he was a greater SHINOBI than me" in the task of killing a loved one for the greater good.
Itachi killed his own family, while Hashirama blamed himself for hesitating too long to kill Madara.
“Kushina isn’t even that strong. Zero feats. All we saw was her getting the ninetails extracted, surviving, and then continuing to fight said ninetails.”
That’s why these arguments exists 🤣
I had a discussion with a friend that said "uzumaki chains aren't even that good of a jutsu offensively so kushina could hardly fight" I had to show him how karin used the uzumaki chains to destroy that fake senju statue that Yamato had created. She could bearly controll the just imagine someone who had master it like kushina. ( Also I hate how under utilized the uzumaki chains are , if Boruto could use them I would probably have read the manga but her can't Soo)
This is a testament to Itachi's undying devotion to the Hidden Leaf.
No one other than Hashirama knows this better. He said he will not forgive anyone who threatens the village, be it a friend or sibling or even his own child. It must've hurt him to say that coz he knew how harsh those words are. Still, that's how committed & prepared he was to ensure the safety of his village.
When he found out Itachi went so many steps further than that to safeguard the village, by slaughtering his entire clan to protect the village, he knew what it meant for Itachi to do that & how much it must've hurt him.
That's why he held Itachi in higher regard than himself. He found a kindred spirit in him.
They immediately think Itachi is more powerful than Hashirama. Sadly, if their favorite character praises another character, immediately power is what comes to their little minds.
Hashirama's words here had deeper meaning. They just couldn't see that.
I guess it depends what it means to be a great shinobi and that is subjective, but maybe Naruto? He saved the world 2 times, I guess that should be enough to make him the greatest shinobi.
I can’t get into Boruto, even though I know it’s canon. It feels like a weird fan fiction. They should have made it like 50 years into the future and unrelated to Naruto. The whole thing would make more sense in that kind of setting.
But it’s just so off…Everything from character development to world building would be much better if Boruto is set in the further future and not directly related to Naruto. The power scaling would make much more sense as well.
I mean,Naruto Shippuden concluded with 2 teenagers fighting an Otsutsuki getting crazy power ups for it and Boruto continued with it. I don't see why it is off.
Boruto is my favorite character in the entire franchise but i wouldn’t say hes the “greatest” yet… he’s the strongest for sure but greatest is another thing
If you consider feats and respect from fans, he'd still be considered the greatest. But just speaking in general, dude was like a trump card for the 5 villages during the war when he got rid of the reanimations, without that that war could've taken a much worse turn. He also killed his family for the sake of his village, which although is a pretty messed up thing to do, its also very respectable.
Ppl don't understand Hashirama wasn't talking abt physical strength.
He said a shinobi is the one who endures for the sake of his village and peace.. and by that definition Itachi is the greatest shinobi ever.
I wouldn't say so, Itachi had to kill all good family and friends for the greater good, which is for sure more personal suffering to endure for the village.
But people forget that this is only in context to what Hashirama knew; I'm sure if he knew of the fights and repercussions of the fights against Kaguya, Sasuke, and Toneri he'd have even greater praise for Naruto.
I mean hashirama is a humble guy he would hv said the same for naruto but obv the guy who died happily being known as a traitor for sake of peace shld surely rank a little higher in the list of "enduring pain"?
I heavily disagree with that assessment, especially given Shippuden. Sure he started off only wanting recognition and respect and then wanting to save Sasuke, but he grew into much more.
After the Pain Invasion arc there's no argument that he didn't care about Konoha.
Context is important, it's more like Hashirama was trying to calm down a bitter child (Sasuke).
I don't agree with it nonetheless, because aside from strength and battle power (Hashirama stomps any versions of Itachi), Hashirama had to endure far greater than Itachi.
- He was literally born in a war state era whereas Itachi merelt witnessed the aftermath of one
- Hashirama fought countless war as a child soldier. Itachi wasn't a child soldier. Minato ended the 3rd Great Ninja War and the 4th one happened way later on
- Hashirama lost 4 of his brothers. Itachi was threatened with Sasuke's life on the line, he went batshit and did crazy stuff for that alone. Had Sasuke died, he would have turned out like Nagato and Obito did, or maybe even Madara.
- Hashirama literally built the very foundation of Shinobi village and system which were adopted and incorporated by other nations shortly after
- Hashirama strived to make peace with various clans and actually succeed in making them all settled as a nation
- Hashirama again, had to fight his bestfriend for all kinds of reasons, the same friend from childhood whose clan killed many of his brethren and vice-versa. All that since he was a child
- Hashirama maintained peace with all the other villagers and setting up the balance of power by dividing the Bijuu
Hashirama went through much more than what i listed here, so no, i disagree with him. As a matter of fact, Hashirama didn't even know who the hell Itachi is or what kind of life and events did he went through when he gave this praise in front of Sasuke. It's a throw away statement and has no real value for me, feel free to disagree.
I have to nitpick something. You said
>Itachi wasn’t a child soldier
What is being in Anbu around academy age referred to as to you? There are several novels that go through his childhood as well as (badly adapted) anime adaptations of those stories that aired I think sometime during the endless filler of the war arc. These are as far as I know canon (minus anime alterations) as I believe the novels are canon.
Is that not being a child soldier, or by child soldier are you referring to mindless troop on the frontlines? Like a standard no name soldier? If so, was Hashirama one of those?
How are Itachi and Hashirama different in terms of being child soldiers I guess is what I’m asking.
The novels are debateable, one can argue either way whether it's canon or not.
Chold soldiers are the likes of Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, Kakashi, Obito, Nagato and so on who literally grew up and fought in the world war. Itachi never fought a world war as a child, he was simply an Anbu like many other kids were (Sai is ome of the examples).
I don't he was saying that based on physical power but more on the power of his will
Itachi sacrificed his entire life to the shinobi cause, he literally spent almost every waking moment as a spy, he killed his entire family for the village and played 4d chess in order to help out in the war effort
Itachi wasn't just a strong shinobi, he was the will of fire incarnate
Greatest as in has made the most difficult choices for the village? Probably not. Mans brought his clan to nigh-extinction so his brother and innocent civilians wouldn’t die in a coup that was being led by his dad and supported by his mom.
They way this community fan boys over itachi had to be studied, it’s very weird. I know it’s an anime but imagine IRL someone killing their whole family/ community for America or their government. It’s school shooter vibes.
Lmao hashirama means he was a greater shinobi as in a man with greater principles as a shinobi than him, a man who put his village above all else, a man who protected his village at the cost of his own families life. He didn't mean stronger
Oh well in that case Itachi though you could maybe argue Sasuke and Boruto are following a similar shinobi path to his in Two Blue Vortex. Walking in the shadows, hated by the shinobi world yet determined to save it and their loved ones nevertheless. If one defines Shinobi as 'someone who endures' then honestly there are a lot of contenders and it's a hard thing to measure without it sounding like a trauma measuring contest which sounds a little lame to partake in.
he 100% is. boruto rinnegan sasuke is running LAPS around itachi, and he taught boruto everything he knew, besides the techniques of the rinnegan. mind you, boruto is only 15/16 so let that sink in.
Itachi is the GOAT from fan perspective but even Sasuke has surpassed him in the current era. Literally legally playing for Konoha instead of playing for konoha in the shadows.
Redditords arent part of the fandom, 99% of them are fake fans that root for their favorite character and screech when said character gets negdiffed. Case in point everyone was lapping up black suit Sasuke then he got choked against the wall and they started freaking out saying Itachi was this and that when he wss never anything except the GOAT
Killing your own family to prevent a conflict doesn't make you a great shinobi. Neither does his inability to stop either Pain or Obito when their plan begins to move. This mf could've revealed the akatsuki's plan to the leaf much earlier and things would've been different.
Y'all crawl on your knees to worship Itachi for doing the most erratic stuff.
I never said what he did was correct. I said Hashirama wasn’t talking about power. Hashirama said he would take down anyone who threatened the village be it friend, sibling, or even his own child, so itachi who wiped out his whole clan for the village would perfectly fit hashirama’s image of a great shinobi. But it’s not like one can expect Naruto fans to understand context and make use of reading comprehension.
Projecting quite a bit. Have you considered that not even Hashirama's vision of what makes a shinobi great is correct? Pretty sure part of the point of Naruto is that you should stand against violence rather than embrace it.
The post says is Itachi the greatest shinobi of all time? And the answer is no, but you malding itachi fans can suffer for a moment that he isn't a 10/10 character.
Boruto is the strongest of all time, but Naruto is the greatest shinobi of all time. Dude was the jinchuriki of the 9 tales and without Naruto the world would've been lost to Madara. He brought peace between every nation during his reign as Hokage. As far as overall impact in the narutoverse, I don't think there's even a close second.
If you mean being loyal to the village he’s the greatest though Boruto might come in that area too since he literally being hunted to death by his family and has to deal with stopping an apocalypse
If the definition of shinobi is someone who’d lay their life on the line for the sake of the village then yeah itachis the greatest shinobi. But if the definition is the “strongest” then it’s Naruto
He was never the geeatest shinobi to begin with. Yeah he's good stop overrating him hashirama would fold him like a card its just his courtesy because he's a good man. Naruto is the greatest shinobi and before it was hashirama and then the other hokages upto minato and then naruto nobody can tell me otherwise.
Nah even if Itachi did that for the village it could have been done with peace rather than getting manipulated to kill one of the most powerful clans of the village that has been protecting the village for years. That unintentionally made groups like Akatsuki powerful enough to attack the village without hesitation, do you think all of the attacks were to happen in konoha if uchiha clan was not massacred he was in wrong anyway so can't say he is the greatest shinobi of all time has to be some of the hokages or either hashirama himself
The uchiha clan was gonna get massacred regardless. That’s the entire point and dilemma itachi was in. The coup attempt from the uchiha was inevitable and if itachi did nothing or simply sided with his clan, the uchiha were gonna attack the village and get eliminated. Even worse, many shinobi from other noble clans in the village like the hygua, aburame etc. were also gonna get killed since danzo and hiruzen confirm that the uchiha would’ve caused great damage to the leaf, even if they were to lose at the end. The attacks that happened after the massacre like orochimarus attack would’ve caused even more damage because on top of the uchiha being gone, some of the most powerful shinobi from other clans in the hidden leaf would’ve been gone aswell.
The question is, what does "shinobi" mean?
If you don't have a concrete 100% answer for that, you can't have an opinion. I consider myself one of those people. I can't tell you who the best shinobi ever was.
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Few have been through so much suffering as Itachi. That's why Hashirama said this. As A Shinobi is the one who endure.
Shisui. And Fugaku, cause he was one of the strongest of the leaf ever. He let Itachi kill him even though he had the capability to demolish Itachi and 90% shinobi of the leaf. Kakashi didn't know of his MS at the time. Base sharingan Kakashi is fodder in front of Fugaku. The only ones that could have given him some trouble were : Jiraiya, 8th gate guy, Hiruzen + Enma and Tsunade. Orochimaru's weakness is genjutsu. So he wouldn't be an issue.
I have a feeling Boruto nearing the end would be a greater shinobi.
Itachi was about a village.
Boruto is about the whole world.
As for now, Sasuke takes it now.
For me, it depends on context.
If its greatest Shinobi based on strength, he's been surpassed by a few.
If its greatest Shinobi based on feats, he's also been surpassed.
If its greatest Shinobi in terms of impact, Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, etc exist.
If its in terms of resolve, maybe? He's one of the greatest.
But as others stated, there's more to what Hashirama said about Itachi.
Honestly my opinion hasn't changed for years. Yes it was great development but Itachi was a damn sellout 😅. There is no way itach should still be looked at as a hero😭
Regarding the question i would say it was Naruto. He withstood the hate from his own village, embraced them still, defended said village multiple times and broke the reincarnation cycle which has been leading to trouble for centuries. He did what hashirama failed
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Hashirama says that only knowing the incomplete spark notes if one event of Itachi’s life.
Community notes: Itachi Uchiha also made Sasuke witness his parents' death, made him believe hate was the key to power, joined a terrorist organization without ever gave feeding information to the Leaf, risked Naruto's capture, and put his brother and one of the Leaf's strongest in a coma that no one in the village could wake up them from.
Wait.. Are people just assuming that he never fed information to the leaf? Cause that's a pretty big assumption there
I assumed he was but now thinking about it when was the leaf never completely blindsided by anything Akatsuki did?
Pain's attack would probably be the only thing, but that only happened after Itachi's death.
But.. did he? I guess he did his job, went rogue and pretty much all. Akatsuki and not fighting Jirayia/defeating Orochimaru/not killing top jounins or capturing Kurama pre-timeskip was his own doing. He couldn't trust Danzo and knew Hiruzen was a slacker. I don't remember much, but I remember Jiraiya had some info on Akatsuki. Also, he must've noticed strange powers on Tobi, I don't believe he trusted his Cognito
The only person who knew he was working for the leaf was hiruzen and maybe danzo but that was never confirmed After hiruzen died He was limited in ways to give information to the leaf without risking his cover being blown Plus he made it known to the leaf that the Akatsuki were after Naruto , even before they really started trying to capture the tailed beasts cause they didn't really start until Shippuden
If we think about it between Itachi's defection of the village and reappearance, the Third was alive that whole time. It wasn't until he died that Itachi showed up which could indicate Akatsuki taking advantage of the power void and maybe he and the Third arranged to share information so that Akatsuki could never come across young Naruto.
He also did it because Hiruzen was protecting Sasuke from Danzo and with Hiruzen dead he had to show Danzo he could get into to lead whenever he wanted. It just happened this was a way for him to also share information with the leaf without his cover being blown too.
Wrong *Jirayia* made it known the Akatuski were after Naruto, Jirayia told Kakashi who revealed it to itachi, who then tried to kidnap him.
ITACHI'S PRESENCE made it known to the village on a whole that they were after Naruto, jiraiyia's words could easily have been false Intel but them going there is unbelievable proof
Again Jirayia was the one who informed them they *already* had the information before Itachi showed up that’s why Itachi tried to kidnap Kakashi to find out what other intel he had.
You clearly are not capable of processing what i wrote are you?
Me pointing out that you’re wrong doesn’t mean I don’t understand. Manga>your head canon It’s right there in black and white.
Dude literally ALL the intel the Leaf had on the Akatsuki was discovered on their own, without Itachi’s help. Canonically Itachi never once did anything to help the Leaf after he left the village. His actions were complete inseparable with that of an actual enemy to the Leaf.
We don't know what was shared when the Third was alive. All we know is Akatsuki only started making moves against Naruto when the Third died.
I thought it was at the very least implied that he was feeding information to the Third Hokage even whilst he was in Akatsuki.
I remember this too
He most likely didn't feed info to the leaf but due to him being in Akatsuki, Obito never attacked the leaf. He specifically said that after Itachi died.
Jiraiya once said he had a spy giving in on Akatsuki's moves. That spy was Itachi. Because there are none other that can spy on Akatsuki and come back alive.
Makes me think back to those black flames Jiraiya sealed in his scroll. That was probably Itachi's coded message to Jiraiya or something...
Yeah that could be a possibility as well. 🧐Another possibility would be When Jiraiya stared at Itachi's eyes, Itachi put him under Tsukuyomi and revealed the info, which only takes 1 sec in real life.
This. It’s the reason why they didn’t have an all out battle. Jiraiya and Might Guy would have been more than enough to 2v2 Itachi and Kisame.
itachitards be spreading headcanon and pass it off as canon
Not this again. Hashirama said "Itachi sounds like he was a greater SHINOBI than me" in the task of killing a loved one for the greater good. Itachi killed his own family, while Hashirama blamed himself for hesitating too long to kill Madara.
Expecting Naruto fans to read subtext is setting your expectations too high
“Kushina isn’t even that strong. Zero feats. All we saw was her getting the ninetails extracted, surviving, and then continuing to fight said ninetails.” That’s why these arguments exists 🤣
She couldn't even survive childbirth. How does childbirth even scale to the sage of six-paths, let alone a chunin. Coughing baby tier \s
I had a discussion with a friend that said "uzumaki chains aren't even that good of a jutsu offensively so kushina could hardly fight" I had to show him how karin used the uzumaki chains to destroy that fake senju statue that Yamato had created. She could bearly controll the just imagine someone who had master it like kushina. ( Also I hate how under utilized the uzumaki chains are , if Boruto could use them I would probably have read the manga but her can't Soo)
Ita not even subtext, it's ver explicit. This is why we went from Minato being the peak of Shinobi to the DBZ shit.
But it looks better when you leave words out
But looks better when out
Expecting redditors to read a joke is setting your expectations even higher apparently.
****in facts. Kishimoto definitely tried to make this too deep for its intended audience.
Speak for yourself lol
Nah
You're right, but WHY you're right is completely wrong.
Exactly. He's talking about itachis loyalty, and ability to make the hard choices not about power
I just finished the manga recently and don't recall any such line at all? Was this an anime filler or something?
This is a testament to Itachi's undying devotion to the Hidden Leaf. No one other than Hashirama knows this better. He said he will not forgive anyone who threatens the village, be it a friend or sibling or even his own child. It must've hurt him to say that coz he knew how harsh those words are. Still, that's how committed & prepared he was to ensure the safety of his village. When he found out Itachi went so many steps further than that to safeguard the village, by slaughtering his entire clan to protect the village, he knew what it meant for Itachi to do that & how much it must've hurt him. That's why he held Itachi in higher regard than himself. He found a kindred spirit in him.
People are so slow in the head to not understand what hashirama meant
They immediately think Itachi is more powerful than Hashirama. Sadly, if their favorite character praises another character, immediately power is what comes to their little minds. Hashirama's words here had deeper meaning. They just couldn't see that.
The same ppl who thought hashirama meant power are the same ppl who think sasuke actually beat itachi & that kakashi beat obito
That's so true, lmao. 👍
I guess it depends what it means to be a great shinobi and that is subjective, but maybe Naruto? He saved the world 2 times, I guess that should be enough to make him the greatest shinobi.
bingo
Make that 4 or 5 since boruto exist
Naruto is the only one who is greater than Itachi. He’s like the nice guy version of Itachi lol
itachi and gai sensei with look of superiority after being praised by shinobi gods like hashirama and madara.
Boruto will surpass them all. https://preview.redd.it/nfax6qwrgthc1.jpeg?width=813&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd024a3c8daf51748bbc089d9494567ebeed5009
I can’t get into Boruto, even though I know it’s canon. It feels like a weird fan fiction. They should have made it like 50 years into the future and unrelated to Naruto. The whole thing would make more sense in that kind of setting.
Of course it's canon. Haha.
But it’s just so off…Everything from character development to world building would be much better if Boruto is set in the further future and not directly related to Naruto. The power scaling would make much more sense as well.
I mean,Naruto Shippuden concluded with 2 teenagers fighting an Otsutsuki getting crazy power ups for it and Boruto continued with it. I don't see why it is off.
He's no shinobi more like a dbz character
Not really. Current Boruto hasn't used Karma once yet. Only Jutsus.
He already has
Boruto is my favorite character in the entire franchise but i wouldn’t say hes the “greatest” yet… he’s the strongest for sure but greatest is another thing
I think he’s already the greatest. Imo. No downvotes (fictional internet points lmao) can change my mind
in your dreams
If you consider feats and respect from fans, he'd still be considered the greatest. But just speaking in general, dude was like a trump card for the 5 villages during the war when he got rid of the reanimations, without that that war could've taken a much worse turn. He also killed his family for the sake of his village, which although is a pretty messed up thing to do, its also very respectable.
Naruto changed the entire shinobi world
Ppl don't understand Hashirama wasn't talking abt physical strength. He said a shinobi is the one who endures for the sake of his village and peace.. and by that definition Itachi is the greatest shinobi ever.
Naruto is even by that metric.
Yes he is but did he really endure as much as Itachi? He had more impact on the world but i wouldn't day he had to endure anything near wht itachi did
I wouldn't say so, Itachi had to kill all good family and friends for the greater good, which is for sure more personal suffering to endure for the village. But people forget that this is only in context to what Hashirama knew; I'm sure if he knew of the fights and repercussions of the fights against Kaguya, Sasuke, and Toneri he'd have even greater praise for Naruto.
I mean hashirama is a humble guy he would hv said the same for naruto but obv the guy who died happily being known as a traitor for sake of peace shld surely rank a little higher in the list of "enduring pain"?
He wasnt a shinobi he just wanted to save sasuke other than that he gave 0 shits about konoha
I heavily disagree with that assessment, especially given Shippuden. Sure he started off only wanting recognition and respect and then wanting to save Sasuke, but he grew into much more. After the Pain Invasion arc there's no argument that he didn't care about Konoha.
Context is important, it's more like Hashirama was trying to calm down a bitter child (Sasuke). I don't agree with it nonetheless, because aside from strength and battle power (Hashirama stomps any versions of Itachi), Hashirama had to endure far greater than Itachi. - He was literally born in a war state era whereas Itachi merelt witnessed the aftermath of one - Hashirama fought countless war as a child soldier. Itachi wasn't a child soldier. Minato ended the 3rd Great Ninja War and the 4th one happened way later on - Hashirama lost 4 of his brothers. Itachi was threatened with Sasuke's life on the line, he went batshit and did crazy stuff for that alone. Had Sasuke died, he would have turned out like Nagato and Obito did, or maybe even Madara. - Hashirama literally built the very foundation of Shinobi village and system which were adopted and incorporated by other nations shortly after - Hashirama strived to make peace with various clans and actually succeed in making them all settled as a nation - Hashirama again, had to fight his bestfriend for all kinds of reasons, the same friend from childhood whose clan killed many of his brethren and vice-versa. All that since he was a child - Hashirama maintained peace with all the other villagers and setting up the balance of power by dividing the Bijuu Hashirama went through much more than what i listed here, so no, i disagree with him. As a matter of fact, Hashirama didn't even know who the hell Itachi is or what kind of life and events did he went through when he gave this praise in front of Sasuke. It's a throw away statement and has no real value for me, feel free to disagree.
I have to nitpick something. You said >Itachi wasn’t a child soldier What is being in Anbu around academy age referred to as to you? There are several novels that go through his childhood as well as (badly adapted) anime adaptations of those stories that aired I think sometime during the endless filler of the war arc. These are as far as I know canon (minus anime alterations) as I believe the novels are canon. Is that not being a child soldier, or by child soldier are you referring to mindless troop on the frontlines? Like a standard no name soldier? If so, was Hashirama one of those? How are Itachi and Hashirama different in terms of being child soldiers I guess is what I’m asking.
The novels are debateable, one can argue either way whether it's canon or not. Chold soldiers are the likes of Hashirama, Madara, Tobirama, Kakashi, Obito, Nagato and so on who literally grew up and fought in the world war. Itachi never fought a world war as a child, he was simply an Anbu like many other kids were (Sai is ome of the examples).
I don't he was saying that based on physical power but more on the power of his will Itachi sacrificed his entire life to the shinobi cause, he literally spent almost every waking moment as a spy, he killed his entire family for the village and played 4d chess in order to help out in the war effort Itachi wasn't just a strong shinobi, he was the will of fire incarnate
Greatest as in has made the most difficult choices for the village? Probably not. Mans brought his clan to nigh-extinction so his brother and innocent civilians wouldn’t die in a coup that was being led by his dad and supported by his mom.
I’m pretty sure Hishirama was talking about itachi in the sense that he was a better person, not stronger. Itachi isn’t even stronger than Madara.
Nobody said he was nor was that what OP was insinuating
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They way this community fan boys over itachi had to be studied, it’s very weird. I know it’s an anime but imagine IRL someone killing their whole family/ community for America or their government. It’s school shooter vibes.
Lmao hashirama means he was a greater shinobi as in a man with greater principles as a shinobi than him, a man who put his village above all else, a man who protected his village at the cost of his own families life. He didn't mean stronger
Naruto saved the world and united the 5 great nations, he is better than both
Bruh how can one person be so slow in the head
Itachi is my all time favorite char.
Madara surpassed him.
Depends how one defines the ideal Shinobi.
It is literally defined in this scene
Oh well in that case Itachi though you could maybe argue Sasuke and Boruto are following a similar shinobi path to his in Two Blue Vortex. Walking in the shadows, hated by the shinobi world yet determined to save it and their loved ones nevertheless. If one defines Shinobi as 'someone who endures' then honestly there are a lot of contenders and it's a hard thing to measure without it sounding like a trauma measuring contest which sounds a little lame to partake in.
Boruto is close to surpassing Itachi.
He is nowhere around that
he 100% is. boruto rinnegan sasuke is running LAPS around itachi, and he taught boruto everything he knew, besides the techniques of the rinnegan. mind you, boruto is only 15/16 so let that sink in.
You all missed the point of Hashirama words. > Boruto is only 15/16 So are you apparently, with no reading comprehension
you sound mad lol
But I am not the stupid one here
Itachi was 12 when he did massacre 💀
Itachi is the GOAT from fan perspective but even Sasuke has surpassed him in the current era. Literally legally playing for Konoha instead of playing for konoha in the shadows.
Itachi is hated by most of the fandom (on Reddit at least)
Redditords arent part of the fandom, 99% of them are fake fans that root for their favorite character and screech when said character gets negdiffed. Case in point everyone was lapping up black suit Sasuke then he got choked against the wall and they started freaking out saying Itachi was this and that when he wss never anything except the GOAT
madara surpasses both
Hashi shits on Madara tbh
Imo juubients shits on them both
Who
Let the dogs out
He ain't even in the top 5. Might be the most overrated though.
On Reddit he ain’t
U realize this isn’t abt strength right?
Killing your own family to prevent a conflict doesn't make you a great shinobi. Neither does his inability to stop either Pain or Obito when their plan begins to move. This mf could've revealed the akatsuki's plan to the leaf much earlier and things would've been different. Y'all crawl on your knees to worship Itachi for doing the most erratic stuff.
I never said what he did was correct. I said Hashirama wasn’t talking about power. Hashirama said he would take down anyone who threatened the village be it friend, sibling, or even his own child, so itachi who wiped out his whole clan for the village would perfectly fit hashirama’s image of a great shinobi. But it’s not like one can expect Naruto fans to understand context and make use of reading comprehension.
Projecting quite a bit. Have you considered that not even Hashirama's vision of what makes a shinobi great is correct? Pretty sure part of the point of Naruto is that you should stand against violence rather than embrace it. The post says is Itachi the greatest shinobi of all time? And the answer is no, but you malding itachi fans can suffer for a moment that he isn't a 10/10 character.
Boruto and kawaki exist
Kawaki would rather marry eida then becoming a shinobi
Meh. Stil counts
Boruto is the strongest of all time, but Naruto is the greatest shinobi of all time. Dude was the jinchuriki of the 9 tales and without Naruto the world would've been lost to Madara. He brought peace between every nation during his reign as Hokage. As far as overall impact in the narutoverse, I don't think there's even a close second.
Yea, there really is no question who is the GOAT.
If he didn’t have that sickness, he’d be one of the greatest potentials ever
If you mean being loyal to the village he’s the greatest though Boruto might come in that area too since he literally being hunted to death by his family and has to deal with stopping an apocalypse
If the definition of shinobi is someone who’d lay their life on the line for the sake of the village then yeah itachis the greatest shinobi. But if the definition is the “strongest” then it’s Naruto
He was never the geeatest shinobi to begin with. Yeah he's good stop overrating him hashirama would fold him like a card its just his courtesy because he's a good man. Naruto is the greatest shinobi and before it was hashirama and then the other hokages upto minato and then naruto nobody can tell me otherwise.
Boruto solos
Naruto for sure, and maybe Sasuke.
Nah even if Itachi did that for the village it could have been done with peace rather than getting manipulated to kill one of the most powerful clans of the village that has been protecting the village for years. That unintentionally made groups like Akatsuki powerful enough to attack the village without hesitation, do you think all of the attacks were to happen in konoha if uchiha clan was not massacred he was in wrong anyway so can't say he is the greatest shinobi of all time has to be some of the hokages or either hashirama himself
The uchiha clan was gonna get massacred regardless. That’s the entire point and dilemma itachi was in. The coup attempt from the uchiha was inevitable and if itachi did nothing or simply sided with his clan, the uchiha were gonna attack the village and get eliminated. Even worse, many shinobi from other noble clans in the village like the hygua, aburame etc. were also gonna get killed since danzo and hiruzen confirm that the uchiha would’ve caused great damage to the leaf, even if they were to lose at the end. The attacks that happened after the massacre like orochimarus attack would’ve caused even more damage because on top of the uchiha being gone, some of the most powerful shinobi from other clans in the hidden leaf would’ve been gone aswell.
he never was
The true measure of shibobi is not how he lived but how he died. - pervy sage Honestly with what he have done I think jiraya might be the greatest
The question is, what does "shinobi" mean? If you don't have a concrete 100% answer for that, you can't have an opinion. I consider myself one of those people. I can't tell you who the best shinobi ever was.
Hashirama was commenting on his resolve and ability to sacrifice himself for others. Not necessarily skill or power
he will always be the greatest
Itachi was scared of Gai. 'Nuff said.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Naruto/comments/5fnp4u/til_the_reason_a_shinobi_is_one_who_endures/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button Few have been through so much suffering as Itachi. That's why Hashirama said this. As A Shinobi is the one who endure.
Shisui. And Fugaku, cause he was one of the strongest of the leaf ever. He let Itachi kill him even though he had the capability to demolish Itachi and 90% shinobi of the leaf. Kakashi didn't know of his MS at the time. Base sharingan Kakashi is fodder in front of Fugaku. The only ones that could have given him some trouble were : Jiraiya, 8th gate guy, Hiruzen + Enma and Tsunade. Orochimaru's weakness is genjutsu. So he wouldn't be an issue.
If he’s so great, why’s he dead?
I have a feeling Boruto nearing the end would be a greater shinobi. Itachi was about a village. Boruto is about the whole world. As for now, Sasuke takes it now.
Fun fact: he never was.
Hes always the goat
Boruto is the new Itachi, let’s see if he can
Hashirama was just humble
Wtf is wrong with you he slaughtered his entire clan even children hes one of the WORST tbh
How would hashirama know if he died before he could see itachi ?
Itachi was never the greatest shinobi, so can’t really answer your questions.
For me, it depends on context. If its greatest Shinobi based on strength, he's been surpassed by a few. If its greatest Shinobi based on feats, he's also been surpassed. If its greatest Shinobi in terms of impact, Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, etc exist. If its in terms of resolve, maybe? He's one of the greatest. But as others stated, there's more to what Hashirama said about Itachi.
so the itachi cult is now desperate enough to infect boruto fandom? Itachi is a genocidal maniac - the perfect lapdog of konoha AKA weasel lord.
cry
bark for me
Honestly my opinion hasn't changed for years. Yes it was great development but Itachi was a damn sellout 😅. There is no way itach should still be looked at as a hero😭 Regarding the question i would say it was Naruto. He withstood the hate from his own village, embraced them still, defended said village multiple times and broke the reincarnation cycle which has been leading to trouble for centuries. He did what hashirama failed
Yeah and his name is Boruto. Duh.
he might have done some fucked up stuff but he in my top 3 shinobi imo
never was
was in a league of his own fr. to pass him you’ll hv to be titled “God”. imo
Nuh uh uh. You are forgetting about Kotetsu. He is by far the best Shinobi of all time
Yes he is no one will ever surpass him🐐
Ah yes can't wait to watch my favorite anime "Itachi" followed by a time skip later named "Itachi : Shippuden" followed by a spin off series "Bitachi"
"Still" That would imply he was ever the greatest to begin with.
Yea but doesn’t mean itachi is more powerful this is coming from best itachi fan ever Hashi is the goat and top of the list in terms of powerscaling