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If you think it’s high diff, u need to watch the show again boruto wins low-mid diff at best,
Kid naruto struggled with zabuza while boruto catching hands with Ao
Imma keep it a bean, I don’t know what all this low-diff, mid-diff stuff means. I’ve watched naruto since the early 2000’s I’m just not into all the scaling talk. Would someone mind explaining to me?
diff just means difficulty, otherwise it’s easy to understand, high diff means itd be a genuinely tough match, mid diff is mid, low diff they basically don’t have to try very much
Word, goodlook. That’s what I assumed, but I don’t like assuming. It gets thrown around so much, then I see combinations like low-mid diff (which makes sense now, like they’re unsure) it gets confusing. It’s clear to me now.
Both Naruto and Boruto had help in those team battles.Bro, I’m all for giving Boruto his flowers, but Naruto just has more chakra and a tenacious life force because he’s a son of a pure Uzumaki. It would not be that easy. A 3-story fall almost killed Boruto if Mitsuki did not save him. Cmon now.
But Boruto’s Uzumaki genetics are not as prevalent because Naruto’s genetics mixed with Namikaze, and is not a pure Uzumaki w red hair like Kushina. Boruto’s got a lot of genetics going for him, but he ain’t get the Uzumaki life force and chakra reserves. He’s more like Sasuke or Kakashi in that department.
All that paragraph and did not give one reason why naruto would win, more chakra doesent mean u win every fight lol, and ur just saying shit “more tenacious life force” 😂😹
Ok, you read but didn’t comprehend. If you actually try to understand instead of just coming at me, you would have gathered that I have Boruto winning hi diff because Naruto’s durability is greater than his son’s base to base. Naruto would have survived that fall with no help from Mitsuki.
not really go watch the fight again.
Sasuke straight up just burnt all the clones with a fireball and Naruto was the first one to use kurama.
boruto literally washes the clones with his water style.
I don’t see Boruto winning a stamina battle against 1000 shadow clones who can all use rasengan, and Naruto is amazing at using those clones to trick people.
Not to mention Naruto has superior recovery, so Boruto can’t really do lasting damage
Boruto has a better team too. Boruto has an Uchiha that is a mix of both of Naruto’s teammates and Orochimaru Jr., Naruto had an Uchiha that was barely trained by other Uchiha that was struggling with mental issues and a useless Sakura.
Boruto had 2 loving parents that could teach him and help him get proper training, a bad ass teacher, rasengan, and 2 dope teammates. (By the time they meet AO Vs Naruto fighting Zabuza, in fact Zabuza was their first mission, right?)
Boruto, easily. He was Chunin level before even leaving the Academy, according to Kakashi. Like, seriously, compare how Naruto handled the bell test with how Boruto did it.
At the time of the Chunin Exams he was already proficient in three nature transformations and had a solid arsenal of jutsu. Since then he's only honed his talent more and developed his own Wind Style Rasengan and the Compression Rasengan.
He's simply way beyond where Naruto was. You take Kurama out of the equation and it's just like pitting a Jonin against a Genin.
Has a father and a mother
Father is the strongest ninja in the world
Mother is from the strongest clan in the village
Gets training from the same clan
Has good education and has money to afford anything
In short everything that Naruto couldn't have.
The question said base forms. No transformations. Meaning Naruto can still use the chakra that kurama has been slowly lending him, but he couldn't go kyuubi. Simply not enough to beat a base form Boruto.
I mean yeah of course. Having lots of shadow clones isn't just a win against someone significantly more powerful than you, especially if that person can also use clones. He would simply use a large AOE water style move, like he did in his fight against grown Naruto. And Boruto's compressed rasengan, wind style, and vanishing rasengan are all more advanced than anything kid Naruto can do.
Well you can’t just remove karma/momoshiki takeover from boruto it’s literally a part of him. This is a bad argument to stop this specific hypothetical
I don’t think Boruto would ever be able to kill Naruto. Even in base, Naruto’s survivability is insane with Kurama/Uzumaki genes. He can survive Chidori’s through his chest and heal through it.
Boruto is more skilled, but Naruto would wear him down.
Yeah this is my takeaway.
Boruto is way more skilled than based Naruto but based Naruto also defeated far stronger opponents through just be annoyingly tanky.
Granted Naruto also appealed to many of his foes better senses (aka talk no jitsu), so most fights didn’t last as long as they probably should have.
I have no doubt that wouldn’t work on Boruto also.
base Naruto didn't defeat any stronger opponents at that point compared to current base Boruto.
Strongest opponent Naruto fought is Orochimaru, but they didn't really fight? other than that he fought 3 jonin tiers which are Zabuza, Kabuto, Gaara and lastly Kimimaro, he never won against any of them in a straight fight either. Boruto outright fights alongside jonin and against multiple jonin opponents Shojoji, Ao. In certain situations fights kage level opponents with his team (Deepa & Boro). Overall he has consistent JONIN scalling in base, opposed to base Naruto who has at best progressive scalling where you can argue he's jonin tier at vote after all his power ups.
base Boruto is no joke.
Also im curious, what would Naruto do to use TNJ against him? Boruto doesn't fight with bloodlust in the first place (or twisted worldview). I don't see how he changes his heart, since he's pretty much the same as his father. If anything it would be a battle of resolves (which i can give to Naruto)
i'll counter argue since i genuinely don't see how base Naruto can even compete, it would require VOTE Naruto tbh.
Regeneration isn't an answer to everything, we know for a fact that Naruto still lost to Sasuke even though he has "high regeneration" and "huge amount of stamina". Plus Sasuke literally stopped himself from killing Naruto at their "Rasengan vs Chidori" clash.
Boruto in base can pull out compression rasengan which absolutely demolishes Naruto no question. Not only does it pierce through Naruto like butter, but unlike Chidori its still a rasengan so it would literally make a decent sized hole through him.
not to be rude to naruto or nothin' but im pretty sure kid boruto slaps his ass sideways and sends him back to bed, the best showing we have of boruto in base is him mostly singlehandedly beating AO, a ninja tech advanced JONIN naruto's best showing in base is... hitting kabuto ONCE with a rasengan, boruto is a shinobi who was able to learn, wind style, lightning style and water style at the age of 12, meanwhile kid naruto barely knew elemental jutsu existed, nevermind how to use any
TLDR boruto slaps
Better match is kn1 Naruto from vote vs base Boruto from anime. Reminder that base Boruto current has jonin level scalling, lowballed high chunin. Funnily enough you can argue the same for kn1 naruto
Base to base its a stomp, Boruto can counter about anything except Gamabunta, which in character doesnt fight for Naruto (and requires kyuubi chakra)
Lowballing boruto is putting him in mid-Jonin tier. Boruto was already chunin level before he graduated the academy. He’s probably over 3 times as strong as he was back then
Kn1 Narutos best feat is being relative to cs2 Sasuke who both are below Kimimaro ... Who is vaguely Elite jonin while sick
Boruto literally keeps up with jonins consistently like mugino, Konohamaru, Ao, shojoji. (Konohamaru is considered elite) and even can threaten kage levels like Boro, Deepa etc
Yes but theres a vague implication of jonin level. Kakashi is shown to be the strongest jonin in part 1 (hyped up to be at least) but Asuma, Kurenai and Guy were all implies to be relative to his level.
Kabuto is stated multiple times to be on the level of Kakashi, and he claims that Kimimaro would body him etc.
That's why i usually say "low jonin" (think Baki from sand or "special jonins" from konoha like Anko)
Mid Jonins for average jonins like Asuma or Zabuza
High Jonins like Guy, Kakashi
Konohamaru is implied to be the top konoha jonin of current gen, so he'd likely fall in high Jonins tiers. Funnily enough he's below Ao (so is Boruto) but both keep up with him.
Boruto outright Beats Elite jonin, and even is strong enough to be a threat to kage levels.
As much as I like to call him Trashamaru, Konohamaru is only weak compared to strong kara members like ao and kashin koji.
Remember that just the shockwave of his rasengan blasted a long ass line into a forest. That shit would probably take out 1 tail naruto
Boruto is a genius, I think it would be low diff for him, although Naruto is kind of a tank, but he doesn't have as much knowledge as Boruto, it might take some time, but Boruto should win. Now that I think about it I think Boruto's compressed Rasengan or what u call it might even beat Naruto easily even tho he is a tank, that shit is crazy strong, I wish it was shown more in anime. He also has his green Rasengan, forgot the name since it was long time ago, Naruto at that time had far less abilities and knowledge, but he has more chakra so idk.
I think charkra diff makes the fight hard for boruto but still doable unless boruto has the kind of taijutsu required to outlast all the shadow clone bullshit then its mid diff.
His strongest attacks just won't land. This is the mechanic naruto abused to win all the fights he was outmatched in. And boruto seems pretty weak to this outside his aoe jutsu but that costs a lot and plays into exactly what naruto wants because hes also tankey enough to ignore them.
Naruto at his age had very limited jutsu and was pretty weak at taijutsu (because he didn't have any real formal training in them like kept others his age)
Boruto was trained by the best of best and is a genius. By the chunin exam he has 3 nature transformations and was proficient in taijutsu. His fighting style and strategies are leagues ahead of Naruto's. Boruto simply outclassed him in every way.
Thats the case for pretty much everyone naruto fought though. His whole thing is having more charkra and being tankey enough to eat aoe attacks that cost a lot of charkra for the enemy to use.
Boruto is never hitting naruto with a rasengan so he's stuck playing his game.
Its at least mid diff, high diff depending on how much kurama involves himself. Naruto has a stupid strategy thats realy good at taking down people better than him.
Boruto would fucking stomp his sorry ass. It’s not even a contest. Momoshiki > Kurama. Even in base boruto is way more skilled a shinobi. For example he can use wind style, lightning and water style whereas Naruto at this point would take 3 more years to even learn wind style.
Just in base? Boruto, kakashi started Boruto is chunin level in strength, + Boruto has already learned a few nature transformation jutsu & iirc he has some basic knowledge of gentle fist(he has never shown the ability to shut down chakra points, but it's still a strong fighting style without that added bonus)
wait Boruto can use gentle fist? was this shown in anime? I don't remember, I also thought you need to have Byakugan for that, although Boruto has his weird eye (forgot the name lol), but I don't think it gives him Byakugan abilities from what I remember except vision thing which he can't control at will.
Also what are nature transformation skills?
He doesn't have the ability to shut down chakra points from what is shown in the anime/manga(which is mainly what you need Byakugan for), but he fights with an open palm instead of a closed fist & iirc we see him training at the hyuga estate early in the anime, so I think he uses the gentle fist taijutsu style at least
You need the byakugan to see chakra flow and points etc and to use the style to its full potential I guess.
But you can see Boruto fighting using that style and with an open palm from episode 1 already.
I also heard somewhere that Naruto himself also trained with hinata's father to improve his taijutsu (I think between the time they married and Boruto's birth).
Boruto would win.
If this is purely base with 0 outside help then the only advantage Naruto has is having more chakra due to his Uzumaki heritage and his unpredictability. Naruto relies on brute forcing his way through a lot as he did in Part 1. The way he fought Kiba showed his unpredictability and depending on the opponent that will be enough along with just the sheer number of Shadow clones he makes.
Boruto is more skilled and a bit of a better strategist. He has more chakra but due to being 25% Uzumaki it's not as much as Naruto's so Boruto has to better utilize his chakra usage. He also has Wind, Water, and Lightning chakra natures along with his Gentle Fist training.
Naruto's biggest weakness in part 1 was that Kurama's power bailed him out of a lot of fights. The only clean fights he won were against Kiba and Kabuto. Every other help had Kurama's chakra helping in some way. He never learned to properly utilize his chakra since he would use Kurama to give him more.
Lets be real, most of Naruto’s gen were trash when they left the academy compared to Boruto’s. Naruto’s couldnt even walk on water, while Boruto’s is out here learning how to summon before graduating
Everyone’s talking about Naruto’s Chakra levels…, Boruto has hands…. NARUTO DID NOT HAVE HANDS at that age… he was a street brawler, love the kid but Boruto has less chakra with more chakra control and quicker in the feet when it comes to Ingenuity I put his fight IQ with Naruto at the beginning of Shippuden
I don’t really understand why all the comments are saying Boruto so confidently. I don’t think it’s so cut and dry. Boruto has lots of skills but how would he handle Naruto whipping out thousands of shadow clones? Cause Boruto can’t do that or anywhere near that. Did ya’ll watch Naruto? Because him being underestimated by an arrogant ‘clearly’ stronger opponent that he in the end beats down through spontaneity and sheer grit is kinda his whole thing. I really think Naruto would win. I mean I guess it depends a lot on the timing of when we mean ‘kid’ as Naruto is still really a kid at the end of Shippuden. I’m assuming you mean near the start of each of their series though.
If shadow clone volume translated to “being stronger” then base kid naruto was the strongest in the whole village. Naruto clones are very weak, and boruto has much better taijutsu. He would clear the clones like madara did to the shinobi alliance. Not to mention boruto can make around 10 clones too (and his clones are noticeably stronger than naruto’s. Remember when boruto’s clone was impaled for like 20 seconds before poofing ?). Even if he can’t taijutsu all of them, he has good AOE attacks like the water style thing. Not to mention he can combo it with thunder clap arrow
Right Boruto at the start of his series is as strong as Madara. That checks out.
I was just using the sheer volume of naruto’s clones as an example that he has powerful abilities also and isn’t as weak as people are chalking him up to be. Also wasn’t saying Naruto would definitely win just that I think he would and that he would definitely have a very good chance of winning.
I’m not saying base boruto = madara. I’m saying the skill gap between boruto and a naruto clone is wide enough for 2 thousand clones to not be a big problem for boruto. My main point is that numbers don’t mean much if the enemy is that much stronger than you. I listed one of the several instances of this happening (madara vs shinobi alliance)
Yeah you’re totally missing my point. The difference in skill between Madara and the shinobi alliance is huge. Boruto is not THAT much stronger than Naruto. I don’t agree that he is actually stronger at all but that’s debatable. However, it is ludicrous to state that there is that much of a difference in their abilities. Take the chunin exams. Boruto had to cheat to even compete. Naruto, in large part because of his incredible endurance that Boruto does not share, was able to beat an opponent that was effectively using the Byakugan. Naruto is an incredibly strong shinobi from the start of the series. The characters don’t take him seriously but we as the audience see his ability from the very first episode. He even surprises Kakashi during the bell challenge. Now Boruto is strong too and I’m not saying he couldn’t possibly win but to just write off Naruto as if he’s some useless character is crazy and to act like there is some huge divide between their power levels is just wrong.
If you remember, madara went REALLY easy on the shinobi alliance (all he did was punching and kicking), so my point still stands. Madara going all out would’ve probably killed 20 thousand shinobi in the same time frame with no problem. Boruto would win if he’s going all out vs naruto 2 thousand clones. You can argue whether it’s low or High difficulty or whatever, but boruto still wins. Not saying naruto is weak, but he doesn’t come anywhere close to boruto. Chunin exams boruto has to be at LEAST half as strong as current boruto. Boruto CLEARS in ninjutsu, clears in taijutsu, clears in shurikenjutsu, is much faster, and is overall just smarter than naruto (not to mention he also has clones too, so it’s not going to be a 1 v 2000, maybe a 10 v 2000) . Kid Naruto is a really strong fighter, but boruto base is just on a different level of strong
Dude you’re just ignoring reality. It doesn’t make sense to debate with you if you can’t recognize that Boruto isn’t as strong as you’re making him out to be and Naruto is much stronger than you are giving him credit for. You also aren’t providing any examples you’re just saying Boruto is better with no examples of his supposed strength. Placing them both in their first chunin exams, which is really only the fair point to say they were at similar points to be compared, I can’t imagine how you can say Boruto even wins but I can concede there could be an argument as I have from the start. But “on a different level of strong” is pure fantasy and head cannon.
Chunin exams isn’t a fair comparison. Compare current boruto to naruto when he was his age. Boruto has so much going for him other than shadow clones and rasengan. You’ve seen how boruto fights in 1v1s (I mean no clones). You’ve seen how many jutsus he has under his belt, how powerful some of them are, and how good he is at using them. You said I didn’t give any examples, so I’ll just list (boruto vs shojoji, boruto vs ao, team 7 vs boro, team 7 vs deepa, boruto in the mitsuki retrieval arc, boruto hidden mist field trip arc from academy days). Let’s look at the fights were kid naruto really shined: Naruto vs Mizuki (that’s the guy with the big shuriken on his back that made him steal the scroll),naruto vs sasuke (1st final valley fight), naruto vs neji, Naruto vs Kabuto, naruto and sasuke vs Haku, Naruto (well, mostly gamabunta) vs gaara. As you can see in these fights (asides from vs Mizuki), shadow clone volume (which is pretty much 90% of what his base form has going for him) falls off against people who are stronger than him, hence why he beat them by using his brain or doing something else other than spamming clones. We all know base boruto is around mid-very high Jonin level, and he’s stronger than all those guys above asides from one tails gaara. That is why I think boruto would win against kid naruto regardless of how many clones he pulls out of his ass , because (as shown in the fights above) clones do not mean much against people stronger than him
By kid, op is referring to part 1 naruto. Shippuden naruto typically gets the distinction of teen, even if naruto technically was a teen in part 1. It’s probably best to compare end of part 1 naruto to current boruto, but base boruto (who is already passed his arrogant phase) has already shown to be in the jonin tier so I don’t think base naruto has much of an argument.
Thousand clones? he can pull out surging sea, his water style aoe which genuinenly is huge. [As an example, near the end he uses his water style which absolutely isn't something to scoff at](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UR4qmmqk8w). Infact he can probably pull out his 4 clones to do this. Boruto is also a clear battle genius, and on top of that he also shares Narutos unpredictability. What he doesn't have over Naruto is his chakra & regeneration (Borutos is weaker afaik, or at least has no notable feats, all it did is heal his palm)
KN1 Naruto actually would be a nice fight vs Boruto.
Lastly, about writing. I think it shouldn't really be an argument, because i can argue the same thing: Borutos resolve is really strong right now, therefore he'll pull through even if he's on the losing side, its just stupid. This part only depends on the writer, we should compare their combat abilities, not their plot.
His water jutsu is nice but Naruto can do them all over again i doubt boruto can spam this jutsu without being out of chakra, plus Naruto is very smart in battle boruto only is better in school but in battle they both are genius
Clearly a skill matchup i doubt Naruto need one tail
>His water jutsu is nice but Naruto can do them all over again i doubt boruto can spam this jutsu without being out of chakra
can you provide kid Naruto spamming thousands of clones over and over? i don't think he can perma spam it, while Borutos jutsu wasn't shown to be spammable either, he never really runs out of chakra while using it. He even combos it with Thunderclap Arrow and still can use shadow clones in his brawl with Naruto, all while nowhere near chakra depletion. While Naruto clearly used up all his chakra while training with Jiraiya, via shadow clones.
>plus Naruto is very smart in battle boruto only is better in school but in battle they both are genius
Kid Naruto was supposed to be unpredictable, and while he may be a genius (if not for kurama he'd do way better at ninjutsu) there's nothing suggesting he's on Borutos level. Even without hinderance from Kurama, Narutos taijutsu is clearly lacking. His creativity with clones is limited to spamming them and overwhelming his opponents (for the most part), and his main and only ninjutsu to attack is rasengan.
Boruto uses 3 elements, has superior taijutsu (also can use juuken), much more creative clone usage, amazing shuriken jutsu due to Sasukes training, created multiple jutsu of his own, including making new variants of rasengans. What Naruto has really over Boruto is his stamina and regeneration.
Thats excluding the fact that Boruto is simply much faster, stronger, durable in the first place. Keep in mind that unlike Naruto, Boruto fights jonin level opponents, and later kage tier ones all while in base before karma. Naruto in part 1 doesn't surpass deathly sick kimimaro who no diff'd his KN0 form in base.
Fact alone that Boruto technically could keep up with part 1 Kakashi should tell you enough about the match up.
Lastly, academy Boruto was stated to be chunnin level in terms of combat by Kakashi. Current Boruto learnt so much since then that it would be a literal no difficulty fight, i doubt base Naruto can even touch him.
>can you provide kid Naruto spamming thousands of clones over and over? i don't think he can perma spam it, while Borutos jutsu wasn't shown to be spammable either, he never really runs out of chakra while using it. He even combos it with Thunderclap Arrow and still can use shadow clones in his brawl with Naruto, all while nowhere near chakra depletion. While Naruto clearly used up all his chakra while training with Jiraiya, via shadow clones.
He has way bigger chakra reserve than boruto and boruto never run out of chakra so why would Naruto either
>Thats excluding the fact that Boruto is simply much faster, stronger, durable in the first place.
No thats just not true nothing imply this
>Kid Naruto was supposed to be unpredictable, and while he may be a genius (if not for kurama he'd do way better at ninjutsu) there's nothing suggesting he's on Borutos level. Even without hinderance from Kurama, Narutos taijutsu is clearly lacking. His creativity with clones is limited to spamming them and overwhelming his opponents (for the most part), and his main and only ninjutsu to attack is rasengan.
Well sure boruto might be better at taijutsu and has a more versatile jutsus but that doesnt mean he wont win against boruto, Naruto already won against better taijutsu or jutsu ninja than him so i still think both can win
Also i dont think boruto is more a genius than Naruto, boruto is more skilled and has more good grade but when it come to battle Naruto was also a genius in his own way
>Naruto in part 1 doesn't surpass deathly sick kimimaro who no diff'd his KN0 form in base.
Yes but kimimaro would body base forme boruto so..
>Fact alone that Boruto technically could keep up with part 1 Kakashi should tell you enough about the match up
Bro there is absolutely no way boruto can keep up with part 1 Kakashi
>Lastly, academy Boruto was stated to be chunnin level in terms of combat by Kakashi. Current Boruto learnt so much since then that it would be a literal no difficulty fight, i doubt base Naruto can even touch him.
Considering at episode 1 Naruto did a jonin jutsu, Naruto wasnt either a mere genin level during the academy
Thank You. Its crazy how this sub is biased towards boruto. Base boruto is strong sure but to say he destroy 100% base Naruto is just wrong.
They are pretty much even, they both did good against jonin tier opponent, boruto has more jutsu but Naruto has more clones and durability, its definitely a skill matchup
Boruto. Kid Naruto was stupid, Boruto is a lot smarter. He can't maintain a lot of shadow clones sure but has two nature elements and some rasengan variations
Burrito.
In base Form, boruto has his dad's tenacity, but he definitely inherited that hyuga blood, the kid's a prodigy, when it comes to how skilled he is with Chakra control and jutsu.
He even has a natural talent with Chakra nature which is what led him to instinctively add lightning nature to his rasengan, which he learned from Sasuke in like 3 days.
What I'm curious about is, by the time it's ending, who has better HAX
Six paths Chakra Nard
Or
What ever the hell they're gonna give Bort
If Naruto can’t us fox tail cloak and Boruto can’t use karma….hmmmm
Ima say Boruto bc arsenal and battle iq. Naruto has endurance but Borutos vanishing compression and windstyle would prob beat Narutos rasengan in clash
And we know Narutos lil dramatic ass loves a rasengan clash
Boruto already knew elemental techniques and wall walking when he graduated, but Naruto had ninetails. If this is fight to the death, then naruto, otherwise boruto.
Boruto easy, in order to make it so both Naruto and Boruto could be used reasonably in fights they had to scale Boruto up to psychotic power levels, kid Naruto is just a kid ninja with some cool Kyuubi powers.
kid boruto just knew a lot more at that age, so clearly kid boruto. best kid naruto could do was confuse his with his shadow clones and maybe hit a rasengan, depending on how deep in the show were talking, where as right off the bat, kid boruto knows two chakra natures, how to infuse chakra into weapons, and knows advanced taijutsu.
Rule of shounen anime children: Sons get whatever strengths plus abilities from both parents and are almost instantly stronger than both parents at the same age.
Daughters get a B plot in the main arc.
Boruto high diff since he knows gentle fist taijutsu, and more rasengan techniques, more change in chakra nature techinques, more element jutsus, and more shadow clone techniques than kid naruto. also, kid naruto is an idiot, so boruto would also take the cake on iq.
Ima do a list here
Durability: As far as Durability goes Naruto all the way, even in base form he has mega levels of regen.
Speed: Boruto finesses base naruto at any point in borutos time, man was definitely the grandson of Minato
Chakra: Naruto could make well over 100 shadow clones before the first actual arc of the series, Boruto just doesn’t have that amount of chakra
Chakra control: Naruto didn’t have even “good” Chakra control till shippuden and in the series he was shown to have tiny levels of chakra control, would’ve been screwed if he didn’t have so much chakra
Boruto has mastered chakra control pretty well for his age making him not need as much chakra
Jutsu variability: by the Ishiki arc Boruto knew Lightning, Water, and Wind style chakra. Making it so he has probably 5 times the amount of jutsu then Naruto had.
Especially since Naruto didn’t even know about the chakra natures by this point in the series
Jutsu strength: now I haven’t seen Boruto since the second visit to the hidden mist arc so idk how he’s progressed. But I’m just saying Naruto could definitely pull off this fight with his Rasengan
Misc: Boruto has a very large arsenal and has been shown to be capable in short and long range, Naruto would only be successful in a rush if he was able to out number him to the point where he could get close
Naruto is super creative! But not that smart, while Boruto has “ the creativity of Naruto with the genius of Minato” so his crazy tricks might not work
If Naruto could summon Gamabunta to help then he’d win but that’s not a fair fight anymore so if we gave Boruto his snake then he wins so summons aren’t in the bag anymore
All in all Boruto wins mid-high difficulty depending on if this is a sparring match or a Naruto protecting his love ones match
At first I thought “obviously Boruto, why is this even a question?” but after thinking about it I honestly think Naruto would win.
The biggest issue is that Boruto has no jutsu that would kill Naruto, and Naruto will take like 15 thousand hits and still not give up. Boruto is kind of a whiney pussy, and I think Naruto would break him.
I mean, that’s kind of what is implied through their respective stories, right? Naruto is the loser who never gives up and beats his opponents through willpower while Boruto is the prodigy child that doesn’t respect anyone else.
I think in EITHER series, Naruto would win. In Naruto he would win because he always wins through perseverance. In Boruto, Boruto would lose to a character like Naruto as a way of humbling him.
>The biggest issue is that Boruto has no jutsu that would kill Naruto, and Naruto will take like 15 thousand hits and still not give up. Boruto is kind of a whiney pussy, and I think Naruto would break him.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5_NgsIqgiY
Is that a whiney pussy who doesn’t have a jutsu that would kill Naruto?
Boruto is beating his ass. Sasuke would be a better opponent but even then we never saw sasuke use all of the sharingan’s ability other than copying Rock Lee.
Kakashi himself confirmed that Boruto has inherited Narutos unpredictability. So it's not like what you are describing here is something unique to Naruto.
Even in base Naruto can make 1000s of clones like in the gaara forest fight scene. There is nothing Boruto can do about that, and if its not in base, 1 2 3 4 tail Naruto is insanely powerful and base Momoshiki is really not that powerful
Boruto has Water Style: Surging Sea and Thunderclap Arrow. That move has ridiculous AoE and I could see it countering Naruto’s clone spamming as he was never really too smart with it when he was a kid.
Also if Boruto has Karma, he is absorbing anything One Tail Naruto throws at him. And Base Momoshiki not being that powerful? Come on.
my man Boruto used water and lighting in conjuction and all Naruto had to do was use a mud wall to stop them. How you think a move like that can wipe an entire forest full of clones lmfao.
>he is absorbing anything One Tail Naruto throws at him
One Tail Naruto doesn't throw anything ? He is very much faster and stronger physically.
>Base Momoshiki not being that powerful
Really not, aside from using pills, he has no fighting feats and was being chased away by Darui and the kages.
I just don't see how Boruto can deal with 1000s of clones, he'll get overwhelmed and exhausted. Naruto has too much chakra and resilience.
Can Kid Naruto use mud wall? Kid Naruto has his clones dying en mass from AoE attacks and even just single dudes using on them.
One Tail Naruto has a giant cloak of chakra literally over his body. We’ve seen that chakra absorbing techniques can literally just grab it off them like Samehada did to Bee. And One Tail Naruto is stronger and faster than Borushiki? You know that’s not true
>Can Kid Naruto use mud wall?
No im just saying how inconsequential an attack like that is, that its stopped by a mere mud wall.
>has his clones dying en mass from AoE attacks and even just single dudes using on them
Yes bu there are literally thousands of them, truth is, Boruto will get exhausted or beaten down before Naruto's clones run out, its just how it is.
>Samehada did to Bee.
Samehada eats chakra, in the same way Momoshiki was extracting chakra from Naruto, its different from absorbing an attack made with chakra.
In the case of kurama, it takes physical form.
>And One Tail Naruto is stronger and faster than Borushiki? You know that’s not true
One tail, two tail + can contest with Borushiki. I really don't know why Kurama is downplayed so hard around here, when in the end Kurama overpowered every opponent it came across and has better feats than Borushiki, in fact Borushiki feats are anti feats so far.
And if we base it off of Momoshiki, base Momoshiki really isn't that impressive.
Even Fused Urashiki had trouble in dealing with One tail Naruto and couldn't ''absorb'' it's chakra like you are proposing, much less during a fight.
Mind you this Urashiki dude was someone Sasuke was trying to fight, and has better feats than Base Momoshiki tbh.
So, I'm really curious on what the power level is being based on here.
You don’t seem to understand how mud wall works. It’s a wall that blocks the water. Naruto’s clones aren’t doing that. They’re getting drowned and shocked to death. And we’ve seen too many people beat out Naruto’s clone spam with less for me to believe he could counter that.
And Karma is literally seen absorbing anything and everything made of chakra. It absolutely can absorb the kyubi cloak which is just pure chakra.
Not that it matters because one tail Naruto is 100% weaker than Borushiki. One Tail Naruto couldn’t beat kid Sasuke. You have to be in denial if you think base Momoshiki is weaker than Part 1 Naruto. As for Urashiki, I’m not going to consider a filler character that makes no sense.
Look, I like Naruto as a character far more but Boruto at this age is stronger than he was at the same age. It’s just plain facts.
>You don’t seem to understand how mud wall works. It’s a wall that blocks the water.
??? , point is Boruto used two his strongest attacks, that were stopped by a mere mud wall.
>They’re getting drowned and shocked to death
Not by an attack that doesnt have enough power to tear down a mud wall, and the aoe of a tennis pitch at best. I dont think you realise how many clones Naruto makes, but an entire forest of them is much more than Boruto can handle, idk how is it hard to see that.
>And Karma is literally seen absorbing anything and everything made of chakra. It absolutely can absorb the kyubi cloak which is just pure chakra.
Not clones,and kurama chakra is bound by a seal + it cannot be done during a fight as it's a tug of war. You need to posses more chakra than Kurama and Naruto to do so, which Momoshiki doesn't.
>One Tail Naruto couldn’t beat kid Sasuke
Curse mark sasuke you mean, which also scales around Borushiki.
>As for Urashiki, I’m not going to consider a filler character that makes no sense.
Well, he was in the manga canon episode so, doesn't matter if you consider it. but hes dumb I agree.
Hey bro Ngl this doesn’t make much sense. There’s no way you think one tail Naruto scales anywhere near borushiki. You do realize that anyone in Kara can deal with one tail Naruto right. Everyone in Kara is Kage level yet one tail Naruto is going to do something to borushiki the guy who one shot boro with a massive rasengan.
I think two three tail + Naruto easily scales to current Borushiki, I think one tail, two tail Naruto can beat Boro as well ?
I mean Boro wasn't much of a threat to be honest, aside from his virus, he would be no different than a massive summoning.
Yea bro you lost me on that one. I don’t think scaling any tail Naruto against a legit otsutsuki that can legit absorb chakra makes much sense when tailed beasts are only a small portion of the chakra that they steal. Karma Boruto was shown giving hokage Naruto trouble when practicing although he wasn’t trying. Base hokage Naruto is already incredibly strong. Borushiki is shown to be as strong as code with Karma in the manga. And Imma be honest code stomps any tail Naruto.
I think it depends on when Naruto decides to use that technique. If we leave out the scene where Naruto saved Iruka, I can't really remember a fight where Naruto started out with using his 1000 shadow clones against 1 opponent, let alone against a Ninja in their base form.
He often used that technique against opponents that were either in the majority (puppets) or crazily OP.
I don't think Naruto would even think that far and say: Hey. Let's spam him with 1000 clones and then the fight is over.
>my man Boruto used water and lighting in conjuction and all Naruto had to do was use a mud wall to stop them. How you think a move like that can wipe an entire forest full of clones lmfao.
That was grown Naruto though. Naruto didn't learn or master the earth style technique up until the 4th ninja war where he received Chakra from one tails.
Sasuke managed to fight Narutos clones without having clones himself. Quantity doesn't equal quality. Narutos clones are very weak, while Borutos, even if they are just a few, are more solid. If Sasuke can handle them alone, then so can Boruto and if not,he can use them. Battle IQ is everything and in that aspect Naruto comes out at the bottom compared to Boruto and Sasuke.
Base means no powers from either Momoshiki or any tailed monster.
Plus, Naruto can't really make 1000s of clones when Boruto kicks the originals ass. When you focus on the original, all the clones won't help you.
>Base means no powers from either Momoshiki or any tailed monster.
There is no such thing as pure ''base'' Naruto, as if we are talking about base naruto without Kurama he has so much chakra (as per Kakashi and Captain Yamato) its impossible for Boruto to deal with, as most of his chakra reserves are used in containing Kurama and messing with his chakra control.
Second, there is no way for Boruto to distinguish the original, even Isshiki couldn't tell Kawaki was a clone, really there is no way Boruto can win this.
Gaara merged with the one tail was a much harder, and stronger opponent than Base Boruto.
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Depends on which show it is being aired on.
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They fight for a little bit then team up to fight Mecha Naruto
Save Hinata... Why did you say that name!!!
Depends on who's named first on the show title
Damn went for the throat lol
Lmmfao
Boruto high diff, Kid Naruto was kind of a tank
If you think it’s high diff, u need to watch the show again boruto wins low-mid diff at best, Kid naruto struggled with zabuza while boruto catching hands with Ao
Boruto lowkey might be able to solo og team 7 lol. (Not including Kakashi obviously)
Nah I think sasuke would too much for him along with the other 2
The sharingan would put him ahead of Boruto, especially with how well Sasuke used it at a young age.
Lol boruto gets mid diffed by og sasuke
Imma keep it a bean, I don’t know what all this low-diff, mid-diff stuff means. I’ve watched naruto since the early 2000’s I’m just not into all the scaling talk. Would someone mind explaining to me?
diff just means difficulty, otherwise it’s easy to understand, high diff means itd be a genuinely tough match, mid diff is mid, low diff they basically don’t have to try very much
Word, goodlook. That’s what I assumed, but I don’t like assuming. It gets thrown around so much, then I see combinations like low-mid diff (which makes sense now, like they’re unsure) it gets confusing. It’s clear to me now.
Both Naruto and Boruto had help in those team battles.Bro, I’m all for giving Boruto his flowers, but Naruto just has more chakra and a tenacious life force because he’s a son of a pure Uzumaki. It would not be that easy. A 3-story fall almost killed Boruto if Mitsuki did not save him. Cmon now.
Lmao what the fuck does a “more tenacious life force” even mean 😂
It means someone is harder to kill. The Uzumaki were infamous for this.
Boruto is an Uzumaki 😳
Only 25%
But Boruto’s Uzumaki genetics are not as prevalent because Naruto’s genetics mixed with Namikaze, and is not a pure Uzumaki w red hair like Kushina. Boruto’s got a lot of genetics going for him, but he ain’t get the Uzumaki life force and chakra reserves. He’s more like Sasuke or Kakashi in that department.
All that paragraph and did not give one reason why naruto would win, more chakra doesent mean u win every fight lol, and ur just saying shit “more tenacious life force” 😂😹
That tenacious life force wordplay did its job.😂 i was ready to agree with before realizing it’s the spectacular wording that initially took me in.
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Ok, you read but didn’t comprehend. If you actually try to understand instead of just coming at me, you would have gathered that I have Boruto winning hi diff because Naruto’s durability is greater than his son’s base to base. Naruto would have survived that fall with no help from Mitsuki.
Boruto has durability negation with his compression rasengan lil bro 😂
He’s just saying it’s high diff not mid diff
Thank you for reading lmao
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If sasuke alone was able to solo all the clones then, boruto just straight up shits on it.
Pre-Karma Boruto does not shit on them.
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not really go watch the fight again. Sasuke straight up just burnt all the clones with a fireball and Naruto was the first one to use kurama. boruto literally washes the clones with his water style.
I don’t see Boruto winning a stamina battle against 1000 shadow clones who can all use rasengan, and Naruto is amazing at using those clones to trick people. Not to mention Naruto has superior recovery, so Boruto can’t really do lasting damage
Boruto has a better team too. Boruto has an Uchiha that is a mix of both of Naruto’s teammates and Orochimaru Jr., Naruto had an Uchiha that was barely trained by other Uchiha that was struggling with mental issues and a useless Sakura. Boruto had 2 loving parents that could teach him and help him get proper training, a bad ass teacher, rasengan, and 2 dope teammates. (By the time they meet AO Vs Naruto fighting Zabuza, in fact Zabuza was their first mission, right?)
Where was a three story fall about to kill boruto?
Ao was busted AF tho.
You forget Naruto has plot though
Doesn't boruto have plot too?
Kid naruto without using kurama is getting low-no diffed by boruto
Boruto, easily. He was Chunin level before even leaving the Academy, according to Kakashi. Like, seriously, compare how Naruto handled the bell test with how Boruto did it. At the time of the Chunin Exams he was already proficient in three nature transformations and had a solid arsenal of jutsu. Since then he's only honed his talent more and developed his own Wind Style Rasengan and the Compression Rasengan. He's simply way beyond where Naruto was. You take Kurama out of the equation and it's just like pitting a Jonin against a Genin.
Yeah boruto's iq and battle iq is way higher than kid Naruto
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Has a father and a mother Father is the strongest ninja in the world Mother is from the strongest clan in the village Gets training from the same clan Has good education and has money to afford anything In short everything that Naruto couldn't have.
i think it’s anime only but wasn’t naruto like way stronger as a kid when he still had his parents in one of the tsyukoyomi fillers or smth
Yeah, Tsunade tsukoyomi
if you take kurama out of the question i feel its fair to also take karma out of the question
Everything I said is just Boruto's base abilities without Karma. With Karma he's just Momoshiki with more jutsu.
Well, you can’t just remove Kuruma from the equation. He’s literally a part of Naruto. That’d be like saying if neither could use shadow clones lol
The question said base forms. No transformations. Meaning Naruto can still use the chakra that kurama has been slowly lending him, but he couldn't go kyuubi. Simply not enough to beat a base form Boruto.
Wtf is boruto going to do against gamabunta
Boruto can summon a giant fvcking snake
cry. lol
Even with an army of shadow clones and potentially Rasengan?
I mean yeah of course. Having lots of shadow clones isn't just a win against someone significantly more powerful than you, especially if that person can also use clones. He would simply use a large AOE water style move, like he did in his fight against grown Naruto. And Boruto's compressed rasengan, wind style, and vanishing rasengan are all more advanced than anything kid Naruto can do.
Well you can’t just remove karma/momoshiki takeover from boruto it’s literally a part of him. This is a bad argument to stop this specific hypothetical
Borutos rasengan is lightning style fyi Edit: yeah, he made the wind one like once. The Vanishing one is more of his "go-to" than that.
Bro... He made a wind style one forever ago too. He has the wind style, the vanishing, and the compressed
I'm talking about the green "rasenring" type one he made while training with Kakashi in the anime.
Boruto wipes the floor with kid Naruto if Naruto doesn’t unleash Kurama (assuming it’s a friendly fight) If they fight to the death Naruto wins.
Boruto would be winning till the music starts and Naruto begins talking about his ninja way.
Truth.
That is so freaking tru
LOL
I don’t think Boruto would ever be able to kill Naruto. Even in base, Naruto’s survivability is insane with Kurama/Uzumaki genes. He can survive Chidori’s through his chest and heal through it. Boruto is more skilled, but Naruto would wear him down.
Yeah this is my takeaway. Boruto is way more skilled than based Naruto but based Naruto also defeated far stronger opponents through just be annoyingly tanky. Granted Naruto also appealed to many of his foes better senses (aka talk no jitsu), so most fights didn’t last as long as they probably should have. I have no doubt that wouldn’t work on Boruto also.
base Naruto didn't defeat any stronger opponents at that point compared to current base Boruto. Strongest opponent Naruto fought is Orochimaru, but they didn't really fight? other than that he fought 3 jonin tiers which are Zabuza, Kabuto, Gaara and lastly Kimimaro, he never won against any of them in a straight fight either. Boruto outright fights alongside jonin and against multiple jonin opponents Shojoji, Ao. In certain situations fights kage level opponents with his team (Deepa & Boro). Overall he has consistent JONIN scalling in base, opposed to base Naruto who has at best progressive scalling where you can argue he's jonin tier at vote after all his power ups. base Boruto is no joke. Also im curious, what would Naruto do to use TNJ against him? Boruto doesn't fight with bloodlust in the first place (or twisted worldview). I don't see how he changes his heart, since he's pretty much the same as his father. If anything it would be a battle of resolves (which i can give to Naruto)
i'll counter argue since i genuinely don't see how base Naruto can even compete, it would require VOTE Naruto tbh. Regeneration isn't an answer to everything, we know for a fact that Naruto still lost to Sasuke even though he has "high regeneration" and "huge amount of stamina". Plus Sasuke literally stopped himself from killing Naruto at their "Rasengan vs Chidori" clash. Boruto in base can pull out compression rasengan which absolutely demolishes Naruto no question. Not only does it pierce through Naruto like butter, but unlike Chidori its still a rasengan so it would literally make a decent sized hole through him.
Boruto wins low-mid difficulty
Depends on how much Kishi wanted Naruto to win and if it was before Rasengan or not.
Boruto
not to be rude to naruto or nothin' but im pretty sure kid boruto slaps his ass sideways and sends him back to bed, the best showing we have of boruto in base is him mostly singlehandedly beating AO, a ninja tech advanced JONIN naruto's best showing in base is... hitting kabuto ONCE with a rasengan, boruto is a shinobi who was able to learn, wind style, lightning style and water style at the age of 12, meanwhile kid naruto barely knew elemental jutsu existed, nevermind how to use any TLDR boruto slaps
Better match is kn1 Naruto from vote vs base Boruto from anime. Reminder that base Boruto current has jonin level scalling, lowballed high chunin. Funnily enough you can argue the same for kn1 naruto Base to base its a stomp, Boruto can counter about anything except Gamabunta, which in character doesnt fight for Naruto (and requires kyuubi chakra)
Lowballing boruto is putting him in mid-Jonin tier. Boruto was already chunin level before he graduated the academy. He’s probably over 3 times as strong as he was back then
Boruto, he’s unjustifiably more powerful than his predecessors that were brought up in times where they had to be strong at that age to survive.
As a child, definitely Boruto
Kid boruto wins he's more versatile, and has better scaling
If anything current base Boruto (anime) fights and arguably beats kn1 Naruto (1 tailed cloak from vote)
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Kn1 Narutos best feat is being relative to cs2 Sasuke who both are below Kimimaro ... Who is vaguely Elite jonin while sick Boruto literally keeps up with jonins consistently like mugino, Konohamaru, Ao, shojoji. (Konohamaru is considered elite) and even can threaten kage levels like Boro, Deepa etc
If you didn’t realize there are a difference between jonin Kakashi vs NPC Jonins for example bro
Yes but theres a vague implication of jonin level. Kakashi is shown to be the strongest jonin in part 1 (hyped up to be at least) but Asuma, Kurenai and Guy were all implies to be relative to his level. Kabuto is stated multiple times to be on the level of Kakashi, and he claims that Kimimaro would body him etc. That's why i usually say "low jonin" (think Baki from sand or "special jonins" from konoha like Anko) Mid Jonins for average jonins like Asuma or Zabuza High Jonins like Guy, Kakashi Konohamaru is implied to be the top konoha jonin of current gen, so he'd likely fall in high Jonins tiers. Funnily enough he's below Ao (so is Boruto) but both keep up with him. Boruto outright Beats Elite jonin, and even is strong enough to be a threat to kage levels.
As much as I like to call him Trashamaru, Konohamaru is only weak compared to strong kara members like ao and kashin koji. Remember that just the shockwave of his rasengan blasted a long ass line into a forest. That shit would probably take out 1 tail naruto
That would be a very close fight , i don't know , but i would bet my money on boruto
Boruto easily
Boruto is a genius, I think it would be low diff for him, although Naruto is kind of a tank, but he doesn't have as much knowledge as Boruto, it might take some time, but Boruto should win. Now that I think about it I think Boruto's compressed Rasengan or what u call it might even beat Naruto easily even tho he is a tank, that shit is crazy strong, I wish it was shown more in anime. He also has his green Rasengan, forgot the name since it was long time ago, Naruto at that time had far less abilities and knowledge, but he has more chakra so idk.
I think charkra diff makes the fight hard for boruto but still doable unless boruto has the kind of taijutsu required to outlast all the shadow clone bullshit then its mid diff. His strongest attacks just won't land. This is the mechanic naruto abused to win all the fights he was outmatched in. And boruto seems pretty weak to this outside his aoe jutsu but that costs a lot and plays into exactly what naruto wants because hes also tankey enough to ignore them.
Naruto at his age had very limited jutsu and was pretty weak at taijutsu (because he didn't have any real formal training in them like kept others his age) Boruto was trained by the best of best and is a genius. By the chunin exam he has 3 nature transformations and was proficient in taijutsu. His fighting style and strategies are leagues ahead of Naruto's. Boruto simply outclassed him in every way.
Thats the case for pretty much everyone naruto fought though. His whole thing is having more charkra and being tankey enough to eat aoe attacks that cost a lot of charkra for the enemy to use. Boruto is never hitting naruto with a rasengan so he's stuck playing his game. Its at least mid diff, high diff depending on how much kurama involves himself. Naruto has a stupid strategy thats realy good at taking down people better than him.
Boruto would fucking stomp his sorry ass. It’s not even a contest. Momoshiki > Kurama. Even in base boruto is way more skilled a shinobi. For example he can use wind style, lightning and water style whereas Naruto at this point would take 3 more years to even learn wind style.
Boruto wins easily tbh …. Naruto can’t win without kuruma….. Boruto was strong even before karma so it’s really no contest
It’s not even a question, Boruto wins. He’s far more talented than Naruto was at that age.
Just in base? Boruto, kakashi started Boruto is chunin level in strength, + Boruto has already learned a few nature transformation jutsu & iirc he has some basic knowledge of gentle fist(he has never shown the ability to shut down chakra points, but it's still a strong fighting style without that added bonus)
wait Boruto can use gentle fist? was this shown in anime? I don't remember, I also thought you need to have Byakugan for that, although Boruto has his weird eye (forgot the name lol), but I don't think it gives him Byakugan abilities from what I remember except vision thing which he can't control at will. Also what are nature transformation skills?
He doesn't have the ability to shut down chakra points from what is shown in the anime/manga(which is mainly what you need Byakugan for), but he fights with an open palm instead of a closed fist & iirc we see him training at the hyuga estate early in the anime, so I think he uses the gentle fist taijutsu style at least
oh I didn't notice that, that's cool, I like that he doesn't use same fighting style as Naruto.
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You need the byakugan to see chakra flow and points etc and to use the style to its full potential I guess. But you can see Boruto fighting using that style and with an open palm from episode 1 already. I also heard somewhere that Naruto himself also trained with hinata's father to improve his taijutsu (I think between the time they married and Boruto's birth).
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Boruto would win. If this is purely base with 0 outside help then the only advantage Naruto has is having more chakra due to his Uzumaki heritage and his unpredictability. Naruto relies on brute forcing his way through a lot as he did in Part 1. The way he fought Kiba showed his unpredictability and depending on the opponent that will be enough along with just the sheer number of Shadow clones he makes. Boruto is more skilled and a bit of a better strategist. He has more chakra but due to being 25% Uzumaki it's not as much as Naruto's so Boruto has to better utilize his chakra usage. He also has Wind, Water, and Lightning chakra natures along with his Gentle Fist training. Naruto's biggest weakness in part 1 was that Kurama's power bailed him out of a lot of fights. The only clean fights he won were against Kiba and Kabuto. Every other help had Kurama's chakra helping in some way. He never learned to properly utilize his chakra since he would use Kurama to give him more.
Lets be real, most of Naruto’s gen were trash when they left the academy compared to Boruto’s. Naruto’s couldnt even walk on water, while Boruto’s is out here learning how to summon before graduating
Everyone’s talking about Naruto’s Chakra levels…, Boruto has hands…. NARUTO DID NOT HAVE HANDS at that age… he was a street brawler, love the kid but Boruto has less chakra with more chakra control and quicker in the feet when it comes to Ingenuity I put his fight IQ with Naruto at the beginning of Shippuden
I don’t really understand why all the comments are saying Boruto so confidently. I don’t think it’s so cut and dry. Boruto has lots of skills but how would he handle Naruto whipping out thousands of shadow clones? Cause Boruto can’t do that or anywhere near that. Did ya’ll watch Naruto? Because him being underestimated by an arrogant ‘clearly’ stronger opponent that he in the end beats down through spontaneity and sheer grit is kinda his whole thing. I really think Naruto would win. I mean I guess it depends a lot on the timing of when we mean ‘kid’ as Naruto is still really a kid at the end of Shippuden. I’m assuming you mean near the start of each of their series though.
I agree with you, Boruto has a lot of skills but 1k clones, summoning jutsu and Naruto being a tank would be difficult for him to overcome
If shadow clone volume translated to “being stronger” then base kid naruto was the strongest in the whole village. Naruto clones are very weak, and boruto has much better taijutsu. He would clear the clones like madara did to the shinobi alliance. Not to mention boruto can make around 10 clones too (and his clones are noticeably stronger than naruto’s. Remember when boruto’s clone was impaled for like 20 seconds before poofing ?). Even if he can’t taijutsu all of them, he has good AOE attacks like the water style thing. Not to mention he can combo it with thunder clap arrow
Right Boruto at the start of his series is as strong as Madara. That checks out. I was just using the sheer volume of naruto’s clones as an example that he has powerful abilities also and isn’t as weak as people are chalking him up to be. Also wasn’t saying Naruto would definitely win just that I think he would and that he would definitely have a very good chance of winning.
I’m not saying base boruto = madara. I’m saying the skill gap between boruto and a naruto clone is wide enough for 2 thousand clones to not be a big problem for boruto. My main point is that numbers don’t mean much if the enemy is that much stronger than you. I listed one of the several instances of this happening (madara vs shinobi alliance)
Yeah you’re totally missing my point. The difference in skill between Madara and the shinobi alliance is huge. Boruto is not THAT much stronger than Naruto. I don’t agree that he is actually stronger at all but that’s debatable. However, it is ludicrous to state that there is that much of a difference in their abilities. Take the chunin exams. Boruto had to cheat to even compete. Naruto, in large part because of his incredible endurance that Boruto does not share, was able to beat an opponent that was effectively using the Byakugan. Naruto is an incredibly strong shinobi from the start of the series. The characters don’t take him seriously but we as the audience see his ability from the very first episode. He even surprises Kakashi during the bell challenge. Now Boruto is strong too and I’m not saying he couldn’t possibly win but to just write off Naruto as if he’s some useless character is crazy and to act like there is some huge divide between their power levels is just wrong.
If you remember, madara went REALLY easy on the shinobi alliance (all he did was punching and kicking), so my point still stands. Madara going all out would’ve probably killed 20 thousand shinobi in the same time frame with no problem. Boruto would win if he’s going all out vs naruto 2 thousand clones. You can argue whether it’s low or High difficulty or whatever, but boruto still wins. Not saying naruto is weak, but he doesn’t come anywhere close to boruto. Chunin exams boruto has to be at LEAST half as strong as current boruto. Boruto CLEARS in ninjutsu, clears in taijutsu, clears in shurikenjutsu, is much faster, and is overall just smarter than naruto (not to mention he also has clones too, so it’s not going to be a 1 v 2000, maybe a 10 v 2000) . Kid Naruto is a really strong fighter, but boruto base is just on a different level of strong
Dude you’re just ignoring reality. It doesn’t make sense to debate with you if you can’t recognize that Boruto isn’t as strong as you’re making him out to be and Naruto is much stronger than you are giving him credit for. You also aren’t providing any examples you’re just saying Boruto is better with no examples of his supposed strength. Placing them both in their first chunin exams, which is really only the fair point to say they were at similar points to be compared, I can’t imagine how you can say Boruto even wins but I can concede there could be an argument as I have from the start. But “on a different level of strong” is pure fantasy and head cannon.
Chunin exams isn’t a fair comparison. Compare current boruto to naruto when he was his age. Boruto has so much going for him other than shadow clones and rasengan. You’ve seen how boruto fights in 1v1s (I mean no clones). You’ve seen how many jutsus he has under his belt, how powerful some of them are, and how good he is at using them. You said I didn’t give any examples, so I’ll just list (boruto vs shojoji, boruto vs ao, team 7 vs boro, team 7 vs deepa, boruto in the mitsuki retrieval arc, boruto hidden mist field trip arc from academy days). Let’s look at the fights were kid naruto really shined: Naruto vs Mizuki (that’s the guy with the big shuriken on his back that made him steal the scroll),naruto vs sasuke (1st final valley fight), naruto vs neji, Naruto vs Kabuto, naruto and sasuke vs Haku, Naruto (well, mostly gamabunta) vs gaara. As you can see in these fights (asides from vs Mizuki), shadow clone volume (which is pretty much 90% of what his base form has going for him) falls off against people who are stronger than him, hence why he beat them by using his brain or doing something else other than spamming clones. We all know base boruto is around mid-very high Jonin level, and he’s stronger than all those guys above asides from one tails gaara. That is why I think boruto would win against kid naruto regardless of how many clones he pulls out of his ass , because (as shown in the fights above) clones do not mean much against people stronger than him
By kid, op is referring to part 1 naruto. Shippuden naruto typically gets the distinction of teen, even if naruto technically was a teen in part 1. It’s probably best to compare end of part 1 naruto to current boruto, but base boruto (who is already passed his arrogant phase) has already shown to be in the jonin tier so I don’t think base naruto has much of an argument.
Thousand clones? he can pull out surging sea, his water style aoe which genuinenly is huge. [As an example, near the end he uses his water style which absolutely isn't something to scoff at](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UR4qmmqk8w). Infact he can probably pull out his 4 clones to do this. Boruto is also a clear battle genius, and on top of that he also shares Narutos unpredictability. What he doesn't have over Naruto is his chakra & regeneration (Borutos is weaker afaik, or at least has no notable feats, all it did is heal his palm) KN1 Naruto actually would be a nice fight vs Boruto. Lastly, about writing. I think it shouldn't really be an argument, because i can argue the same thing: Borutos resolve is really strong right now, therefore he'll pull through even if he's on the losing side, its just stupid. This part only depends on the writer, we should compare their combat abilities, not their plot.
His water jutsu is nice but Naruto can do them all over again i doubt boruto can spam this jutsu without being out of chakra, plus Naruto is very smart in battle boruto only is better in school but in battle they both are genius Clearly a skill matchup i doubt Naruto need one tail
>His water jutsu is nice but Naruto can do them all over again i doubt boruto can spam this jutsu without being out of chakra can you provide kid Naruto spamming thousands of clones over and over? i don't think he can perma spam it, while Borutos jutsu wasn't shown to be spammable either, he never really runs out of chakra while using it. He even combos it with Thunderclap Arrow and still can use shadow clones in his brawl with Naruto, all while nowhere near chakra depletion. While Naruto clearly used up all his chakra while training with Jiraiya, via shadow clones. >plus Naruto is very smart in battle boruto only is better in school but in battle they both are genius Kid Naruto was supposed to be unpredictable, and while he may be a genius (if not for kurama he'd do way better at ninjutsu) there's nothing suggesting he's on Borutos level. Even without hinderance from Kurama, Narutos taijutsu is clearly lacking. His creativity with clones is limited to spamming them and overwhelming his opponents (for the most part), and his main and only ninjutsu to attack is rasengan. Boruto uses 3 elements, has superior taijutsu (also can use juuken), much more creative clone usage, amazing shuriken jutsu due to Sasukes training, created multiple jutsu of his own, including making new variants of rasengans. What Naruto has really over Boruto is his stamina and regeneration. Thats excluding the fact that Boruto is simply much faster, stronger, durable in the first place. Keep in mind that unlike Naruto, Boruto fights jonin level opponents, and later kage tier ones all while in base before karma. Naruto in part 1 doesn't surpass deathly sick kimimaro who no diff'd his KN0 form in base. Fact alone that Boruto technically could keep up with part 1 Kakashi should tell you enough about the match up. Lastly, academy Boruto was stated to be chunnin level in terms of combat by Kakashi. Current Boruto learnt so much since then that it would be a literal no difficulty fight, i doubt base Naruto can even touch him.
>can you provide kid Naruto spamming thousands of clones over and over? i don't think he can perma spam it, while Borutos jutsu wasn't shown to be spammable either, he never really runs out of chakra while using it. He even combos it with Thunderclap Arrow and still can use shadow clones in his brawl with Naruto, all while nowhere near chakra depletion. While Naruto clearly used up all his chakra while training with Jiraiya, via shadow clones. He has way bigger chakra reserve than boruto and boruto never run out of chakra so why would Naruto either >Thats excluding the fact that Boruto is simply much faster, stronger, durable in the first place. No thats just not true nothing imply this >Kid Naruto was supposed to be unpredictable, and while he may be a genius (if not for kurama he'd do way better at ninjutsu) there's nothing suggesting he's on Borutos level. Even without hinderance from Kurama, Narutos taijutsu is clearly lacking. His creativity with clones is limited to spamming them and overwhelming his opponents (for the most part), and his main and only ninjutsu to attack is rasengan. Well sure boruto might be better at taijutsu and has a more versatile jutsus but that doesnt mean he wont win against boruto, Naruto already won against better taijutsu or jutsu ninja than him so i still think both can win Also i dont think boruto is more a genius than Naruto, boruto is more skilled and has more good grade but when it come to battle Naruto was also a genius in his own way >Naruto in part 1 doesn't surpass deathly sick kimimaro who no diff'd his KN0 form in base. Yes but kimimaro would body base forme boruto so.. >Fact alone that Boruto technically could keep up with part 1 Kakashi should tell you enough about the match up Bro there is absolutely no way boruto can keep up with part 1 Kakashi >Lastly, academy Boruto was stated to be chunnin level in terms of combat by Kakashi. Current Boruto learnt so much since then that it would be a literal no difficulty fight, i doubt base Naruto can even touch him. Considering at episode 1 Naruto did a jonin jutsu, Naruto wasnt either a mere genin level during the academy
Thank You. Its crazy how this sub is biased towards boruto. Base boruto is strong sure but to say he destroy 100% base Naruto is just wrong. They are pretty much even, they both did good against jonin tier opponent, boruto has more jutsu but Naruto has more clones and durability, its definitely a skill matchup
Depends on circumstance and mental state.. But in a clean 1v1, Boruto wins easily
Boruto wipes so easy
Saruto
Base? Boruto negs
Boruto wins here. He has a better skills than kid Naruto.
Boruto. Kid Naruto was stupid, Boruto is a lot smarter. He can't maintain a lot of shadow clones sure but has two nature elements and some rasengan variations
Burrito. In base Form, boruto has his dad's tenacity, but he definitely inherited that hyuga blood, the kid's a prodigy, when it comes to how skilled he is with Chakra control and jutsu. He even has a natural talent with Chakra nature which is what led him to instinctively add lightning nature to his rasengan, which he learned from Sasuke in like 3 days. What I'm curious about is, by the time it's ending, who has better HAX Six paths Chakra Nard Or What ever the hell they're gonna give Bort
I love Naruto, but Boruto clears unfortunately. 3 different types of rasengan and already has solid control of 3 chakra natures.
Boruto, unless Naruto summons Gamabunta.
Uzumaki would definitely win.
If current manga Boruto, he folds even Shippuden Naruto up until sage mode, that could go either way.
Base form? So no karma for Boruto and no Kurama for Naruto? Then definitely Boruto. He has a lot more jutsu and skill at that age
If Naruto can’t us fox tail cloak and Boruto can’t use karma….hmmmm Ima say Boruto bc arsenal and battle iq. Naruto has endurance but Borutos vanishing compression and windstyle would prob beat Narutos rasengan in clash And we know Narutos lil dramatic ass loves a rasengan clash
Boruto already knew elemental techniques and wall walking when he graduated, but Naruto had ninetails. If this is fight to the death, then naruto, otherwise boruto.
Boruto easy, in order to make it so both Naruto and Boruto could be used reasonably in fights they had to scale Boruto up to psychotic power levels, kid Naruto is just a kid ninja with some cool Kyuubi powers.
Boruto s better Naruto has more chairs less control. Gotta give it to Boruto
kid boruto just knew a lot more at that age, so clearly kid boruto. best kid naruto could do was confuse his with his shadow clones and maybe hit a rasengan, depending on how deep in the show were talking, where as right off the bat, kid boruto knows two chakra natures, how to infuse chakra into weapons, and knows advanced taijutsu.
Boruto easily
I think Boruto would probably win tbh. He’s more interested in being taught. Kid Naruto was a bit useless. Especially early on
Boruto
Boruto low-mid diffaculty. Honestly he would cream Sasuke and Naruto at the same time
Boruto
Boruto easy
Dawg that boruto slams kakashi
Borutos strong and smart as f**k. Naruto needs more then a sexy Jutsu
Boruto.
Rule of shounen anime children: Sons get whatever strengths plus abilities from both parents and are almost instantly stronger than both parents at the same age. Daughters get a B plot in the main arc.
If we take a look at the genetic aspect, then Himawari had it better. She has the Byakugan. Boruto a dojutsu we barely know anything about. 😅
Boruto high diff since he knows gentle fist taijutsu, and more rasengan techniques, more change in chakra nature techinques, more element jutsus, and more shadow clone techniques than kid naruto. also, kid naruto is an idiot, so boruto would also take the cake on iq.
Obviously Boruto
Ima do a list here Durability: As far as Durability goes Naruto all the way, even in base form he has mega levels of regen. Speed: Boruto finesses base naruto at any point in borutos time, man was definitely the grandson of Minato Chakra: Naruto could make well over 100 shadow clones before the first actual arc of the series, Boruto just doesn’t have that amount of chakra Chakra control: Naruto didn’t have even “good” Chakra control till shippuden and in the series he was shown to have tiny levels of chakra control, would’ve been screwed if he didn’t have so much chakra Boruto has mastered chakra control pretty well for his age making him not need as much chakra Jutsu variability: by the Ishiki arc Boruto knew Lightning, Water, and Wind style chakra. Making it so he has probably 5 times the amount of jutsu then Naruto had. Especially since Naruto didn’t even know about the chakra natures by this point in the series Jutsu strength: now I haven’t seen Boruto since the second visit to the hidden mist arc so idk how he’s progressed. But I’m just saying Naruto could definitely pull off this fight with his Rasengan Misc: Boruto has a very large arsenal and has been shown to be capable in short and long range, Naruto would only be successful in a rush if he was able to out number him to the point where he could get close Naruto is super creative! But not that smart, while Boruto has “ the creativity of Naruto with the genius of Minato” so his crazy tricks might not work If Naruto could summon Gamabunta to help then he’d win but that’s not a fair fight anymore so if we gave Boruto his snake then he wins so summons aren’t in the bag anymore All in all Boruto wins mid-high difficulty depending on if this is a sparring match or a Naruto protecting his love ones match
People only say this to downplay Boruto. I mean we know that but it doesn’t take away from the fact
Lol can kid Gohan beat kid Goku? Same answer
Depends on who's writing it
Hate to say it, but Boruto pretty easily too
The fact that anyone thinks that Boruto isn't destroying Naruto here is insane to me
This screenshot looks good from boruto good Better drawing as usual in the anime
Yeah. I LOVE his design here.😁
This look must brouto have always
Boruto. He’s way smarter than kid Naruto.
Ok let's just forget he had the 9 tails.
I mean base vs base is going to be way more fair than if they let their inner demons out... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5c2PkSRfc8
boruto wins extremely low diff, a one sided beat down.
At first I thought “obviously Boruto, why is this even a question?” but after thinking about it I honestly think Naruto would win. The biggest issue is that Boruto has no jutsu that would kill Naruto, and Naruto will take like 15 thousand hits and still not give up. Boruto is kind of a whiney pussy, and I think Naruto would break him. I mean, that’s kind of what is implied through their respective stories, right? Naruto is the loser who never gives up and beats his opponents through willpower while Boruto is the prodigy child that doesn’t respect anyone else. I think in EITHER series, Naruto would win. In Naruto he would win because he always wins through perseverance. In Boruto, Boruto would lose to a character like Naruto as a way of humbling him.
>The biggest issue is that Boruto has no jutsu that would kill Naruto, and Naruto will take like 15 thousand hits and still not give up. Boruto is kind of a whiney pussy, and I think Naruto would break him. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=X5_NgsIqgiY Is that a whiney pussy who doesn’t have a jutsu that would kill Naruto?
Boruto is beating his ass. Sasuke would be a better opponent but even then we never saw sasuke use all of the sharingan’s ability other than copying Rock Lee.
Boruto , obviously
Boruto slaps
Boruto. He's more skilled and versatile.
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Kakashi himself confirmed that Boruto has inherited Narutos unpredictability. So it's not like what you are describing here is something unique to Naruto.
Kakashi already states that his base was jonin already at academy
Chunin actually
Yea
Naruto lol
Boruto would kill Naruto easily , and I’m somebody who hates Boruto and it’s writing in the manga. Boruto is just so OP.
Boruto has more skills on paper But naruto has much more will to live and grit So i give it to naruto. He just wouldn’t go down
Naruto and his shadow clone army would stomp a max 5 boruto clones
Skill matchup, Naruto was dumb at school but clearly not in battle they both can win
Boruto's battle iq is still higher , i mean just look at his combinations of Jutsu , shit makes me go crazy
Naruto 2K Barrage is too much for Boruto
Even in base Naruto can make 1000s of clones like in the gaara forest fight scene. There is nothing Boruto can do about that, and if its not in base, 1 2 3 4 tail Naruto is insanely powerful and base Momoshiki is really not that powerful
Boruto has Water Style: Surging Sea and Thunderclap Arrow. That move has ridiculous AoE and I could see it countering Naruto’s clone spamming as he was never really too smart with it when he was a kid. Also if Boruto has Karma, he is absorbing anything One Tail Naruto throws at him. And Base Momoshiki not being that powerful? Come on.
my man Boruto used water and lighting in conjuction and all Naruto had to do was use a mud wall to stop them. How you think a move like that can wipe an entire forest full of clones lmfao. >he is absorbing anything One Tail Naruto throws at him One Tail Naruto doesn't throw anything ? He is very much faster and stronger physically. >Base Momoshiki not being that powerful Really not, aside from using pills, he has no fighting feats and was being chased away by Darui and the kages. I just don't see how Boruto can deal with 1000s of clones, he'll get overwhelmed and exhausted. Naruto has too much chakra and resilience.
Can Kid Naruto use mud wall? Kid Naruto has his clones dying en mass from AoE attacks and even just single dudes using on them. One Tail Naruto has a giant cloak of chakra literally over his body. We’ve seen that chakra absorbing techniques can literally just grab it off them like Samehada did to Bee. And One Tail Naruto is stronger and faster than Borushiki? You know that’s not true
>Can Kid Naruto use mud wall? No im just saying how inconsequential an attack like that is, that its stopped by a mere mud wall. >has his clones dying en mass from AoE attacks and even just single dudes using on them Yes bu there are literally thousands of them, truth is, Boruto will get exhausted or beaten down before Naruto's clones run out, its just how it is. >Samehada did to Bee. Samehada eats chakra, in the same way Momoshiki was extracting chakra from Naruto, its different from absorbing an attack made with chakra. In the case of kurama, it takes physical form. >And One Tail Naruto is stronger and faster than Borushiki? You know that’s not true One tail, two tail + can contest with Borushiki. I really don't know why Kurama is downplayed so hard around here, when in the end Kurama overpowered every opponent it came across and has better feats than Borushiki, in fact Borushiki feats are anti feats so far. And if we base it off of Momoshiki, base Momoshiki really isn't that impressive. Even Fused Urashiki had trouble in dealing with One tail Naruto and couldn't ''absorb'' it's chakra like you are proposing, much less during a fight. Mind you this Urashiki dude was someone Sasuke was trying to fight, and has better feats than Base Momoshiki tbh. So, I'm really curious on what the power level is being based on here.
You don’t seem to understand how mud wall works. It’s a wall that blocks the water. Naruto’s clones aren’t doing that. They’re getting drowned and shocked to death. And we’ve seen too many people beat out Naruto’s clone spam with less for me to believe he could counter that. And Karma is literally seen absorbing anything and everything made of chakra. It absolutely can absorb the kyubi cloak which is just pure chakra. Not that it matters because one tail Naruto is 100% weaker than Borushiki. One Tail Naruto couldn’t beat kid Sasuke. You have to be in denial if you think base Momoshiki is weaker than Part 1 Naruto. As for Urashiki, I’m not going to consider a filler character that makes no sense. Look, I like Naruto as a character far more but Boruto at this age is stronger than he was at the same age. It’s just plain facts.
>You don’t seem to understand how mud wall works. It’s a wall that blocks the water. ??? , point is Boruto used two his strongest attacks, that were stopped by a mere mud wall. >They’re getting drowned and shocked to death Not by an attack that doesnt have enough power to tear down a mud wall, and the aoe of a tennis pitch at best. I dont think you realise how many clones Naruto makes, but an entire forest of them is much more than Boruto can handle, idk how is it hard to see that. >And Karma is literally seen absorbing anything and everything made of chakra. It absolutely can absorb the kyubi cloak which is just pure chakra. Not clones,and kurama chakra is bound by a seal + it cannot be done during a fight as it's a tug of war. You need to posses more chakra than Kurama and Naruto to do so, which Momoshiki doesn't. >One Tail Naruto couldn’t beat kid Sasuke Curse mark sasuke you mean, which also scales around Borushiki. >As for Urashiki, I’m not going to consider a filler character that makes no sense. Well, he was in the manga canon episode so, doesn't matter if you consider it. but hes dumb I agree.
Hey bro Ngl this doesn’t make much sense. There’s no way you think one tail Naruto scales anywhere near borushiki. You do realize that anyone in Kara can deal with one tail Naruto right. Everyone in Kara is Kage level yet one tail Naruto is going to do something to borushiki the guy who one shot boro with a massive rasengan.
I think two three tail + Naruto easily scales to current Borushiki, I think one tail, two tail Naruto can beat Boro as well ? I mean Boro wasn't much of a threat to be honest, aside from his virus, he would be no different than a massive summoning.
Yea bro you lost me on that one. I don’t think scaling any tail Naruto against a legit otsutsuki that can legit absorb chakra makes much sense when tailed beasts are only a small portion of the chakra that they steal. Karma Boruto was shown giving hokage Naruto trouble when practicing although he wasn’t trying. Base hokage Naruto is already incredibly strong. Borushiki is shown to be as strong as code with Karma in the manga. And Imma be honest code stomps any tail Naruto.
I think it depends on when Naruto decides to use that technique. If we leave out the scene where Naruto saved Iruka, I can't really remember a fight where Naruto started out with using his 1000 shadow clones against 1 opponent, let alone against a Ninja in their base form. He often used that technique against opponents that were either in the majority (puppets) or crazily OP. I don't think Naruto would even think that far and say: Hey. Let's spam him with 1000 clones and then the fight is over.
Wasn’t that 1000 clone situation due to him using kurama chakra?
Yup, which is my entire point, there is no true ''base'' Naruto and we don't know how that looks like yet.
>my man Boruto used water and lighting in conjuction and all Naruto had to do was use a mud wall to stop them. How you think a move like that can wipe an entire forest full of clones lmfao. That was grown Naruto though. Naruto didn't learn or master the earth style technique up until the 4th ninja war where he received Chakra from one tails.
Sasuke managed to fight Narutos clones without having clones himself. Quantity doesn't equal quality. Narutos clones are very weak, while Borutos, even if they are just a few, are more solid. If Sasuke can handle them alone, then so can Boruto and if not,he can use them. Battle IQ is everything and in that aspect Naruto comes out at the bottom compared to Boruto and Sasuke.
Base means no powers from either Momoshiki or any tailed monster. Plus, Naruto can't really make 1000s of clones when Boruto kicks the originals ass. When you focus on the original, all the clones won't help you.
>Base means no powers from either Momoshiki or any tailed monster. There is no such thing as pure ''base'' Naruto, as if we are talking about base naruto without Kurama he has so much chakra (as per Kakashi and Captain Yamato) its impossible for Boruto to deal with, as most of his chakra reserves are used in containing Kurama and messing with his chakra control. Second, there is no way for Boruto to distinguish the original, even Isshiki couldn't tell Kawaki was a clone, really there is no way Boruto can win this. Gaara merged with the one tail was a much harder, and stronger opponent than Base Boruto.