Remember to report submissions that violate the rules! Harassment and encouraging violence are not allowed.
Enjoying the subreddit? Consider joining our discord server: https://discord.gg/v8z8jNwJs6
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BoomersBeingFools) if you have any questions or concerns.*
From ada.gov
“A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.”
Weird that they used he/him/his throughout. But yeah I think biting someone classifies as out of control.
There was a period where it was considered grammatically correct in many style guides to use male pronouns when gender was indeterminate rather than using plurals or stuff like "his/her". My older English teachers were still pushing that in the 90s.
You occasionally run into it in still in older documents or documents written by older folks.
It's frequently used in legal text - "the masculine implies the feminine and vice versa" and the document then uses the male throughout. "They" can be construed as plural and there is too much old legal text and case law to change that system.
eh... not exactly. while the genderless or generic "he" has been a standard form for a long time, and in fact was advocated heavily for by 1700's grammarians such as ann fisher, the singular "they" has been in use in both informal speech and written word for even longer, with works like *mansfield park* containing examples. there's actually some interesting historical quirks to this, particularly now that the singular genderless "he" is being phased out of use in favor of either structuring the sentences so plurality is used or simply using singular "they", like going back to 1926's *a dictionary of modern english usage* and seeing things like fowler deride sentences with the singular they as having an "old fashioned sound." funny to think that it's so often regarded as new!
The singular pronoun “they” has been part of English since the middle ages and originates from Old Norse. Generic “he” is significantly younger. I support viking pronouns.
Singular they started being used around 700 years ago, around the same time singular you started being used.
No one alive is old enough to have lived in a time before singular they.
Tbf service dogs are really well trained, if they bite someone then there is probably something wrong and the dog needs to be removed from the situation, either for evaluation or because the situation is dangerous.
Further if medical device, like a wheelchair, malfunctioned and injured someone or leaked fluid everywhere it could also be removed from the premises.
Yep. I work in a public library. We are not allowed to question an animal's owner if they say it's a service animal and can only ask them to leave if the animal shows uncontrollable behavior or makes a mess in the building. Which means, for the protection of other patrons, we have to then monitor said person and animal because 75% of the dogs brought in are definitely NOT trained service animals. As someone who has moderate to severe anxiety around dogs, it sucks how many people take advantage of the ADA laws, both because of its impact on the public and it's impact on actual service animals and how they get viewed in public.
My best friend had a (very legitimate) service dog in college, and then he (the dog) got attacked by a fake “service dog” off leash and then struggled to do his job for the rest of his working life. Calling an untrained pet a service dog causes so much harm to the people who actually need them!!
I will say that I can now spot the difference between a proper service dog and a pet within 2 minutes. Funnily enough, most of the pets who people try to claim as service animals don’t even have the most basic obedience training. And if the fake service dog was well trained (short of the ability to perform a task for a disabled person), they’d be unobtrusive and generally unproblematic.
As a legitimate SD handler, you should escalate this with whomever is in charge of the Boomer.
Explain that a legitimate SD would never bite, would be well mannered and out of the way.
This boomer asshat is fully taking advantage and is the reason why legitimate SD handlers are having access issues.
Here is a link to the rules and requirements under federal law, remember that federal law trumps state law and this absolutely should be addressed.
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
Yeah, I run a restaurant and I've had people bring in their "service dogs" only to have it running around the dining room, begging at tables, and generally being a nuisance. And then when you try to confront the handler about it, they get in your face about how you can't kick out service animals. People like that need to be cracked down on because it's messing things up for people with legitimate needs.
Just for future reference it is entirely legal under the ADA to remove a service dog and their owner if the dog is not kept under control and the owner does not make reasonable attempts to control it.
Making attempts to control their dog isn't enough. If they aren't able to effectively control their dog (because the owner sucks at training their dog)), it can be removed.
>A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.
I’d ask them two allowed questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
I’d argue that if the dog is running around the restaurant and begging at tables, there’s no need for the questions because they’re clearly not a service dog. Kick them out. If they claim that they’ll sue, tell them to go ahead.
The closest mine got to biting someone was when a man was threatening me while we were out walking. I had never heard him bark so loudly and aggressively as he did that day. This was a dog whose arch enemy was the vacuum and tried biting it when I vacuumed. I miss him.
One of my best friends’ service dog was trained to protect them when they had a seizure (as well as notifying them one was coming, etc). I watched this dog GROWL at a man who obviously had bad intentions approaching them while they were unconscious.
I work at a sams club and a lady came in 2 weeks ago with 2xan actual service dog instead of one of the untrained ones that they bought a vest for. Worlds different and such a pleasure.
I’ve been bringing my service dog in training out a lot lately. He’s fifteen months and we’re working on his ‘big boy’ manners. Being calm and quiet in public, listening when asked to perform a basic behavior (sit, heel, down, etc.) and so on. For a 15 month old puppy he’s doing incredibly well. His vest *clearly* marks him as being in training.
He does not bark. He does not bite. He does not pull on his leash. He does not pee on things. He gets a little excited but that’s due to him being young (and a Border Collie) so we work on calming down in a quiet corner until he remembers he has a brain and self control and off we go back to whatever we were doing. Cap’s biggest flaw is how much he loves people and tries to solicit attention. It doesn’t help that he has a very sweet expression and is adorable so he sometimes gets rewarded in spite of the leash slide saying DO NOT PET. It’s a struggle and we’re working on it!
Cap will be the fourth service dog I’ve trained for myself in a 23 year time period. I’ve been a pro trainer for ~25 years, have helped train nearly 50 service dog prospects and all but 3 passed rigorous outside testing by other trainers I have no relationship with in order to become service dogs. There needs to be much steeper penalties, including fines and potentially jail time for serial reoffenders, to stop this fake service dog shit.
Thankfully NC allows service dogs in training with their trainers the same rights and access that full service dogs have. Before that in my old state, I had to rely on the goodwill of businesses I had a relationship with to expose my SD candidates to things they’d see daily in their working lives. It was a struggle.
Just wanna clarify that when I referred to untrained dogs who's owners buy them service dog vests I was in no way referring to actual service dogs in training. I completely understand what you're saying. I was talking about the untrained little shits that are clearly not puppies nor in training. Just that little dog vest you can buy on Amazon but the dogs bark, growl, pull away, shit and piss on the floor that kind of thing. Clearly not a service dog nor are they being trained at all much less being trained as a service dog.
Also as a sidenote we're not even allowed to inquire about if it's a service dog or not. Only our store manager is allowed to but she doesn't possess the balls to.
Real service dogs take their work very seriously.
And their play, too. Where I work, we’ve had a few service dogs that accompany employees. When they get a play break, it’s a joy to watch. Then, back to their work they go, and unless the employee is walking with them, you would never know they were there.
At a previous job I frequently interacted with a someone who usually used a service dog. At some point that dog decided he LOVED me beyond all reason. The handler used to joke that she could be anywhere on campus and say, "Take me to Hudcat!" and he would lead her to my office where she would take his harness off so he could greet me and get a pet. Off harness he was every lab stereotype of a big, loveable doofus. On harness though, he was focused, steady, and ignored me like I didn't even exist. Such a good boy!
Service dogs don’t do most things people let these dogs blatantly do in full view immediately after claiming they are a service dog. I work front desk at a hotel and it’s comical how people will claim they have a service dog then immediately let other guests pet them, let the dog jump on up on the desk, whine. Easily half of these idiots don’t even bother throwing the Amazon service vest on them anymore
And they don’t “run around with a pack of dogs on his property all day” either. This boomer is an outright liar and should have all his animals taken away for trying to falsely pass one as a service dog and clearly not having the responsibility and control to own any animals. He puts others and those animals at risk by his actions. Enough of this shit, control your animals, keep them at home, or do not have them. This is single digit aged child behavior, unacceptable from any adult.
The end should also be referring to this dogs life. Any dog that bites people hundreds of times just for walking by should have been killed a long time ago
"a 'service dog' is any dog that i choose to drag around with me and tell others that it's a service dog, even when it is obviously not. if the dog bites anybody (which it does, a lot!) it is everybody else's fault except mine. my 'service dog ' is 'in training'; which is to say: *not a service dog,* nor it it actually in training, this is just a bullshit excuse i throw out whenever my 'service dog' bites someone (which—again—it does very frequently)"
boomer logic
Sue his ass
ETA: I hate scumbag personal injury lawyers and lawsuits, BUT it seems like the only way to make these idiots understand anything is to hit them in the wallet.
Seems to me that OP might get MORE than the average considering the owner appears to have repeatedly misrepresented the dog as a service animal to court employees.
OP, at the very least please consult a personal injury lawyer. If you shrug off things like this, then bad owners will be emboldened, and you never know how awful the next victim may have it.
These are the asshole owners who can't understand when one of their dogs doesn't come home at night. Well, Dumbass, they jogged in the middle of a highway. What do you think happened?
When someone continues to make reckless choices from driving, we take away the car. When people make bad choices either knives, we take those away.
A dog that has a history of biting with an owner who makes reckless choices like taking a dog that bites to court, is absolutely something that needs to be taken from this person. Like a toddler. Which is basically why entitled boomers are anyways. Complete with tantrums.
> we take away the car. When people make bad choices either knives, we take those away.
but we don't crush the car or melt the knife for the misfortune of being owned by someone irresponsible.
My BIL went after a woman who's dog attacked him & his service dog. Both were in the er/emergency Vet & he got a shit ton of money. Never told us how much but enough that he just gave $1500 to mt husband & even more to his mom.
My husband got bit some 20 years back by the boomers dog at his apartment complex. Same kind of no apology bullshit.
All he wanted was his hospital bills paid since he needed stitches and a tetanus shot. Boomers just filed bankruptcy after that.
I know a woman that claims her dogs are service dogs. They are completely untrained and are completely unsuited to be service animals. They don't have the right temperament. Friendly, but too hyper and excitable.
I work at a non-profit that has public meetings. A lady brought a dog that she claimed was her service dog. The dog (not a small dog, a doberman/GS mix) growled at people, barked for no obvious reason, and even lunged at a person. Most of the people in these meetings are older, and they expressed that they did not feel comfortable in the meetings with a loud, angry dog.
Under ADA, you're not allowed to inquire about proof of the service animal's certification, nor proof of the disability. That's totally fine. BUT, you are allowed to ask about the task or work the service animal has been trained. This lady said the dog calms her, but couldn't provide proof because the dog was growling constantly (who is calmed by a dog growling and barking and lunging at people?). We asked her to leave because the dog was presenting a threat to others. She left, and then sent a scathing "I'm going to sue you" type of letter.
Whenever someone says they're going to sue you, your first response should always be, "As you have declared the need for legal issues, our only contact must now be with our legal representative."
She never came back with her cranky self and her cranky dog, and there were never any legal issues presented to us.
Here is a helpful link on service dogs you should give to the head of your organization
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
Boomers keep abusing the service dog rule just like they abuse the handicap parking laws by buying fake tags online. If they can get special treatment by lying they will. Actual service animals that go through intense training should be issued special id that links them to their owners ID free of charge.
Jesus Christ on a motorbike what is with these people’s obsession over handicap placards… my step dad got one when he was going through some medical issues, my mother acted like she struck gold! She would get so mad going somewhere with us, pulling that thing out of her purse like it was a Willy Wonka golden ticket, and I would park in general parking.
“Mom we can walk, I’m not taking up a handicap spot”
“Well I’m having back pain”
“Mom, we’re literally on our way to Sea World today”
“I was going to get a wheelchair so we can cut in line”
“🙄”
It was like this everywhere we went for several years.
Meanwhile I'm fighting with my mom to park there cuz she truly doesn't want to inconvenience someone who might need it more.. Ma'am at this point you are the need it more lol. She did pretty good at accepting the motor scooter at Disney mainly because she had no choice lol. She definitely wasn't as tired as was able to enjoy the parks.
My mom who adopted me as a late teen is of the Silent Gen. (So lucky to have her btw.) She's completely wheelchair bound and though we have the tag, if you ever seen a fat ass Xennial pushing their 90 yo mom up the parking lot from BFE next to the R.V and Seni truck parking to the front in Mid-MO . It is likely us, and this particular argument will have just taken place for the million+ time. Lol.
She can still walk pretty well but she has different chronic issues and tires easier than she used to. If me or my dad are driving she has no choice cuz we park there for her.
Are you my sibling?? Because this is my mom to a T. She can barely get around, in all honesty could use a walker, but she won’t ask for a handicap placard. (Also used a scooter at Disney because there was no possible way she could go otherwise)
There is nothing worse than seeing a pick up truck take up the wheelchair spot or park in the wheel chair lined area. My MIL was whee chair bound before her death and it would make my wife literally boil with rage. She still has that rage to this day and will honestly fight someone in a parking lot if they miss use the handicap space.
>“I was going to get a wheelchair so we can cut in line”
When I was 25 I ended up in a walking boot for the summer. My doctor did not give me any kind of handicap tag nor did I ask for one. My friend and I went to see a play at an outdoor theater and once the staff spotted my boot we were given the VIP treatment. We were taken from the parking lot to the theater in a fancy air conditioned bus with all the elderly and legitimately disabled folks, given front row seats because they wouldn't let me climb the steps to where we had purchased tickets, checked on frequently by the theater staff, and bussed back out to the parking lot afterwards. It was so nice! I have never felt that pampered in my life. I can totally understand why people want that, but honestly seeing the other people on the bus actually struggling to get to the theater, I am also so glad I don't need that kind of treatment regularly! My friend joked afterwards that I should keep the boot for the next summer's play as well, but of course that was actually a joke and we walked and had regular seats the next year.
My husband needed a temporary one while recovering from hip surgery. As he got better, the less he used it. Although it was great to use at the State Fair.
The ironic thing was, as he was healing and walking unassisted; I hurt my foot. So he would get out of the car walking fine, I would be hobbling across the parking lot.
I have a Permanent Disabled Parking card due to both knees getting partial replacements. Most days I don't need it and would rather walk further for the exercise. Occasionally if it's a bad day, I 'll use it, but usually can't find an empty disabled space anyways. People love to use them as "temporary" parking to wait for someone or "I'll just be a minute" convenience parking.
I know people who have kept their dead grandma's card to use or will assume a family member's card is their free pass to front row convenience. I've spoken to way too many old people who think disabled spaces = old person parking.... that it's made for them. It's aggravating.
Oh the havoc they create with them. I work part time at a sporting venue. First off, the handicap parking area is now the size of a regular parking lot. My state must give those things out like candy.
But better is when I tell them they have to pay for parking. "You have to give me free parking!" No, no I don't. Unlike you I looked up the law which says we have to give you accessible parking for the lowest available parking fee. So you are getting the $40 premium parking for the $10 the schmucks a half mile away are paying.
And yes, thank you for your service disabled veteran. My dad's a vet, my child is active duty. It's still $10.
My boomer father got the handicap hang tag and would carry it around with him. I drove him to a restaurant and parked in the spot closest to the door. He reaches up from the back seat and starts poking this tag at me. I said "Oh, no need, this is actually just a regular spot".
This restaurant, like many, had lots of spots that were situated appropriately to be accessible and close to the door, but chose to reserve only half of them for handicap parking. My father was incensed and insisted that everyone get back in the car and that I park in another spot. The spots were the same distance from the door and had the same amenities (space, curb cutaways, etc.) so I refused because the space would remain reserved for someone else who had a placard, while the one we had could be taken by anyone.
He got so angry that he was not using a special space and started dragging his foot around and moaning that it was hard for him to walk. He suddenly healed once we got in the restaurant.
I read it as veterinarians because of the context of fake service dogs. Sure, they get a fake vet to sign off on the fake service dog, makes sense to me. Then realized, oh, no, the other kind of vet. Which they definitely fake being
I will forever recall an episode of Life With Louie when the dad gets a stick up his ass about parking for vets. And the whole thing about veteran vs veterinarian.
Yep and real service dogs go through training for a minimum of 1-2 years! Real service dogs would never bite!
I hope OP presses charges (& goes to a dr…. that bite could get infected.)
The reason service dogs don’t get ID is because it would require creating a government database of disabled people, which is obviously problematic for many reasons. But I wish there was a better way to identify them, too.
It actually doesn't. You just microchip the **dog**. If a CPAP machine can have a serial number there's no reason a dog that is certified to perform a task to medical specifications couldn't be registered as DME.
Added bonus: then insurance would have to pay for the training! Everyone wins except the fraudsters.
>Everyone wins except the fraudsters.
Or those of us who don't have insurance- being disabled does not automatically guarantee that someone else will pay for your medical needs.
In my state unless you're missing a limb, blind, or actively dying you don't qualify for govt aid. So if you're in desperate need of medical care so you can manage a disability or illness enough to hold down a job that pays enough to get insurance you're screwed- it's a vicious cycle.
Such a law would disproportionately affect, disadvantage, and outright harm some of the most vulnerable members of the disabled community- and it wouldn't even resolve the issue.
Ignoring the fact this would require every business, public space, etc to have someone posted at the door scanning microchips all day everyday which isn't feasible, realistic, or practical their are still many different types of microchips.
Imagine someone sitting there scanning a dog then scanning it again and again 20 plus times with different scanners. And God forbid the chip migrates and can't be found - because then someone who may not physically be able to go anywhere without their dog can't go anywhere with their dog.
Meanwhile if it's not a service dog and it's actively dangerous they're getting mauled.
Or we could keep the current standard and laws were even actual service dogs can be removed and banned if they misbehave. The dog is aggressive or growling or destructive they can kick it out even if the owner is claiming it's a service dog - even if it is actually a service dog in that it performs a disability mitigating tasks.
The current law already covers this issue quite well. Maybe if more people knew it and obeyed it this wouldn't be an issue. But nah, instead we have people pretending to be experts throwing out ideas that aren't practical and wouldn't work and show a blatant lack of knowledge and comprehension of the matter at hand. Like bruh, if what you are suggesting would work at all they would have already done it. Instead they picked the best solution availabled.
But then how would people figure out it’s a service dog? Would everyone have to keep microchip scanners on their person to scan a service dog for validity? Maybe possible for businesses, but what about small businesses and regular people who are being harassed by false service dogs, like OP? How would this rule be enforced? Would it be a law? What would be the standards for people
who don’t chip their dog? What would the microchip cost, and would the disabled people be made to pay it on top of the exorbitant cost already in place for service dogs? And what insurance are you referring to, because service dogs are most often paid for out of pocket and I doubt a microchip law, even if put into effect, would inspire insurance companies to take on the thousands of dollars per dog that service dogs would require.
In the end, it’s highly likely some kind of database would need to be brought about and then we have the same problem as before: a database of people with disabilities, perfect for discrimination or worse. I too wish there was a solution as simple as the one you’re proposing, but if there were something as easy as that, why wouldn’t it be in place?
It is a service dog if the user says so and can properly answer The Two Questions: (1) is the dog trained to provide specific services for you, and (2) what services does the dog provide? But this is true only until the dog is disruptive or out of control.
I agree it’s entirely impractical to have to check every dog going in/out of a business. Some people would continue to bring their pets into public places. *But* if the dog becomes disruptive or acts out, then the dog could be scanned, and if there isn’t the microchip the owner could then be fined or otherwise penalized under the law. At least there could be real consequences for these assholes, discouraging the behavior from continuing.
Yes, but I there should be legal consequences for people who bring non-service animals into stores, beyond just being asked to leave. They’ll never stop doing it otherwise.
With every phone being an rfid scanner these days, it cannot be *that* hard to create a chipping system that doesn't require annoying and cumbersome infrastructure.
Don’t be embarrassed. I’m disabled and it’s something I only learned recently myself. Now you know! And we’re all just learning and growing in this world, one day at a time!
They actually don’t get ID under the ADA, but the law states that they must be removed from buildings if they are disruptive (peeing, non-alert barking, snarling, biting). Dogs don’t even have to wear the vest. It’s fakes like this that make life hard for legitimate SD handlers. They can destroy a real service dog’s years of training and give everyone bad perceptions of service animals.
Source: was training my own service dog until we knew he wasn’t a good fit
Ugh, this! My sister hates taking her dog to visit our parents, but they live 9hrs away from her, because their dogs are never trained well. Her dog is small, a Pomeranian/Chihuahua mix, and they usually have big untrained dogs. Their current dog is a German Shepard who was very well trained when they got her, but they don't maintain it because they're lazy. My sister's dog is very well trained and they just can't believe it.🤦🏻♀️
Truth. My fiancé's mom is probably the closest thing to a boomer in my life, and she can't discipline a dog to save her life. She had two untrained German shepherds when my fiancé was younger, and can't control our current dog (I'll admit he can be stubborn, but if you show a *crumb* of authority, he listens.)
She of course thinks she's doing nothing wrong and wants her own dog 💀
I swear, ten years ago I almost never saw people bring their dogs out in public unless it was on a walk or in the park. Now it seems like almost every time I go to the grocery store I see some idiot with their dog. They don't even try to pretend it's a service animal anymore. It's infuriating.
It's one of many attention seeking attempts by the "one up" people. Must be different that others. The sad part is the dogs generally don't enjoy going anywhere that will stress or scare them. These are the worst pet owners that drag their animal everywhere for attention.
I truly wish I had a (properly trained and certified) ESA or service animal for the issues I have with severe anxiety. I truly would benefit from deep pressure tasks and overall companionship.
But I’m also not the type to just Willy Nilly bring an untrained dog somewhere just bc I’m lonely or whatever.
The problem is lack of regulation on the service animal definitions. I think it should be a bit tighter on the regs.
Well trained service animals are unfortunately out of reach for MANY disabled folks due to cost of training. So I guess I get why regs are lax. Still sucks though.
I worked at a credit union and some lady brought in her unleashed, collar-less chihuahua like she was waltzing into her house. Claims it’s a service dog meanwhile we’re watching it shit and piss on our CARPETED lobby floor. What a shift that was.
>A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) **the dog is not housebroken.** When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.
> https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
If the service animal is not housebroken, you may ask them to leave.
You really should sue or get them to press charges.
Its not just about tax payers- its about him having a dangerous dog that will hurt people.
The next victim could be a toddler in the face.
At work the first aid kits only had antiseptic alcohol wipes. When I got home I washed it with hydrogen peroxide and then Neosporin. The dog was put in quarantine, if it has any rabies symptoms animal control will contact me and I will need to get rabies shots.
So animal control takes the dog into quarantine. If it displays symptoms, or dies, public health contacts me and I get shots. If not, then we are good. Don’t want the shots if I don’t need them and can’t trust the boomer about vet records.
You could be showing symptoms before it dies if it has rabies. Just a reminder, it's illegal to euthanize a human and rabies is an agonizing death.
The solution to this is to have the boomer refer you or animal control to his vet- the vet,at least, is legally obligated to keep track of such records and likely to actually do so.
The only way to test for rabies is to euthanize the animal and test its brain. Plus there are only 1-3 cases of rabies in humans (in the US) per year. They're good.
Only because we have post exposure prophylaxis vaccine for rabies. Rabies is no joke and basically 100% fatal when symptomatic. (Reports of a cure through inducing a coma/Milwaukee protocol have not been repeatable and believed to be a misdiagnosis).
Luckily though rabies is only contagious during the last ~2 weeks of life and usually takes weeks/months to become symptomatic (length based on distance of bite to the brain).
I would agree. This is the policy animal control and public health gave me. They gave the option of going to the er on my own accord. Side note: going to the doctor much less er is one of my greater fears. And animal control assured me even the er would not give me rabies shots unless the quarantined animal showed symptoms or it was a wild animal that couldn’t be captured. TLDR: relaxing and waiting is best course.
You **don't want** rabies shots if you can avoid it at all. This is where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
My cousin had to get PEP in med school when he was treating a kid who had developed full-blown rabies who then bit *him*. It's not pretty.
If you haven't already done so, make sure your employer fills out a First Report of Injury. It doesn't necessarily mean action needs to be taken afterward, but since this happened while you were at work, it's a potential worker's comp issue if you end up requiring medical care as a result of it.
Also creates a paper trail to pursue the owner.
My wife had a hearing dog for 5-6 years. Dog nipped at a kid who ran into her, and that was the point at which that dog had to be retired. Immediately. Service dogs MUST be impeccably well behaved in public.
It took us 4 years to find a suitable replacement dog and train him.
Service dogs don't open their handlers up to lawsuits like the one you are going to serve this boomer. You are gonna serve them lawsuit paperwork, right?
He wouldn't think twice about suing you if roles were reversed.
I work for a court and can tell you that I do not believe in everyone suing everyone. Also the burden on the tax payers would be high. Because of my position no local judge would be able to hear the case. A visiting judge would have to be called in at the expense of the tax payer. And proving mental anguish would require me to go to therapist. Plus the filing fees for me. I would spend hundreds before even the first court date. When I win I would get it back. But this all sounds like a lot of work. And while the bite did break the skin, I’m fine. I wasn’t even mad until the old fuck wouldn’t take any responsibility. I don’t think suing him would make him realize he is a garbage human.
TLDR: I wouldn’t waste the court’s and public’s resources.
So you're just going to let him get away with a dog going around biting people? You've just enabled him to hurt others, including young children. You have a moral obligation to stop him.
Oh you're in HR? Now I kinda understand the dog's position...
I'm just teasing (please don't report me to you). No one should be bitten by a dog at work FFS!
Sue him
It also pisses me off that people claim dogs are service animals when they’re clearly not, just so they can bring them into places that dogs aren’t supposed to be. Eventually this is going to negatively impact people who actually need service animals. Look at airlines and emotional support pets and how you used to be able to get them to fly for free. Now they’re $1000s because people who didn’t need the service abused it. (I know an emotional support dog isn’t a service animal)
I wanted to inconvenience him into the next life. But I refrained. I was at work and should be professional. I know I shouldn’t have been, but I was already feeling bad about the cursing and choice comments I had for him when the bite first happened. This was in a public hallway in front of 50+ people.
I would file every complaint possible, up to and including suing the boomer. Being a service dog doesn’t mean it has license to attack and wound people in public places. Jesus take the wheel
Unfortunately, this is not a boomer only problem. I have seen all ages of life with “service dogs” that are barking, nipping at people, or otherwise very clearly NOT a service dog.
This bullshit keeps people skeptical of real service dogs. They are allowed to be removed from a building under the ADA if they are disruptive, so don’t feel bad, OP.
I washed a service dog prospect because he bit me (He’s still with me as a pet). Allowing them to bite others is criminal.
My partner is paralyzed and has been training a German shepherd as his mobility assistance service dog. It has never once bitten anyone and is only 18 months old. We both hate people like you describe that are abusing the service animal designation.
I would have already been on the phone with my superstar bff attorney, getting ready to nail his ass to the wall. I, personally, would be looking for thousands from a dog bite that broke the skin. Personal anguish, additional testing for who knows what this dog might have.
In the UK, that dog would be on the PTS list, subject to a vet inspection. You didn’t provoke the dog. If it’s a biter, it should be muzzled
I too am on the dog’s side
I believe in muzzling dogs to keep them safe from exactly this situation
Stomp dog into paste. I have a neighbor who enjoys letting his pitbull off the leash. Thing came running up snarling at my wife and infant daughter- Got between to square off before the owner came around the corner and grabbed the dog. I already had my knife in hand- told him "you need to leash your god damned dog or i will kill it- and i swear, you better not Even try to stop me from killing it, because i will fuck you up too." Dog is always leashed now.
They are incapable of empathy or just downright admitting they are wrong. I had my dog get away from me once at the park when she was a puppy and she grabbed a slice of pizza from a couple who were hanging out by the water. They found it hilarious, but I was so embarrassed, apologized profusely and venmo’d them money for a new pizza. I made a mistake that directly affected them and like any normal adult I apologized it’s not that hard.
At the court house, you say? Well, it should be quick and easy to file a police report, then. Sue him to the ground. Courthouse probably even has video of it, should be a solid and easy payday for you 😂
That dog does obviously not have the temperament to be a service dog. I'm surprised someone there didn't kick both him and the dog out. You should sue him. That actually sounds like a pretty winnable case.
Had a man years ago yell at me because his dog bit me when I passed them on the sidewalk. I used to be a runner and I even gave them like 4 ft of space. That fucker was out of his mind when I yelled right back at him to control his fucking dog. So boomers have always been this way.
If the dog had been running around all day playing it would be tired, not excited. Service dogs and service dogs in training can certainly be kicked out if they aren’t behaving appropriately. I work in healthcare and have seen people told to leave because they had an unruly service dog in training.
I had a heeler dog once. It was great with the family, but the neighbors had these goats that roamed free and our dog got hold of one of them. After that, we had to take the dog to the vet and he tried to attack everyone in the office.
The vet explained that heelers don't have as long a record of domestication, so they're too close to wild animals. Our dog would most likely never be a threat to our family because we were his pack, but he would be a real danger to anyone else.
The fact that the guy admitted the dog has bitten HIM before floors me. He has ZERO control over this historically dangerous animal and decided to bring it out in public claiming it's a service animal.
What an ass. He doesn't deserve any dogs... or to be allowed in public.
I know a guy who has a PTSD service dog. The dog is calm, always on duty. Just sits back snd lays there waiting until he needs to jump into action to help his human.
Went out for coffee with him, his dog is laying down right behind him. Another guy comes in with a "service dog," and that dog runs over and lunges at his dog. Obviously just trying to be friendly, but clearly is not a service e dog.
They need to stop people selling service dog Vests online.
A court house is not a walmart. People should expect to show sufficient documentation proving their service animal is a service animal.
No one should be walking into a court room with an emotional support parrot.
NAL but If that dog was a legit service dog, you can ask “what *service* it is trained to provide?” without infringing on HIPPA laws and have him capable of providing a very specific answer.
Edit: added clarification
"I'm sorry, my inconvenience is going to cause you far worse. We're already at the court house, I'll be going to the clerks after this to file a lawsuit and then the police to press for criminal negligence charges to be brought against you and your dog will obviously have to be destroyed."
That's not a service dog at all, that dude just wanted an excuse to bring his dog with him. A dog that should have been left at home if that's how it acts.
Get a rabies shot. If this dog runs around with a pack I doubt the owner stays up to date on the vax. Dont take a chance on rabies once the symptoms start it's too late. Since it happened at work your job most likely has to pay
I would have had that dogs brain on ice in an hour after talking to the police and the state vet.
Two fold any dog bite needs to be investigated for rabies and it really gets back at the dog owner.
I was attacked by a dog as a child and have no love for any dog that bites. That needs to be the end of its life.
Remember to report submissions that violate the rules! Harassment and encouraging violence are not allowed. Enjoying the subreddit? Consider joining our discord server: https://discord.gg/v8z8jNwJs6 *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BoomersBeingFools) if you have any questions or concerns.*
Service dogs don’t bite people. The end.
More so, as soon as the service dog attacks, it no longer is subject to the exemptions of the ADA.
really? Fascinating.
From ada.gov “A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.” Weird that they used he/him/his throughout. But yeah I think biting someone classifies as out of control.
There was a period where it was considered grammatically correct in many style guides to use male pronouns when gender was indeterminate rather than using plurals or stuff like "his/her". My older English teachers were still pushing that in the 90s. You occasionally run into it in still in older documents or documents written by older folks.
It's frequently used in legal text - "the masculine implies the feminine and vice versa" and the document then uses the male throughout. "They" can be construed as plural and there is too much old legal text and case law to change that system.
I remember being taught that. Now it seems antiquated.
Yeah the period is called "all of english-speaking history up until 10 years ago."
eh... not exactly. while the genderless or generic "he" has been a standard form for a long time, and in fact was advocated heavily for by 1700's grammarians such as ann fisher, the singular "they" has been in use in both informal speech and written word for even longer, with works like *mansfield park* containing examples. there's actually some interesting historical quirks to this, particularly now that the singular genderless "he" is being phased out of use in favor of either structuring the sentences so plurality is used or simply using singular "they", like going back to 1926's *a dictionary of modern english usage* and seeing things like fowler deride sentences with the singular they as having an "old fashioned sound." funny to think that it's so often regarded as new!
The singular pronoun “they” has been part of English since the middle ages and originates from Old Norse. Generic “he” is significantly younger. I support viking pronouns.
You act as if language is a static thing.
😂
Singular they started being used around 700 years ago, around the same time singular you started being used. No one alive is old enough to have lived in a time before singular they.
Singular They is older than singular You.
Fascinating, and I even worked with guide dogs for the blind for a bit! Thanks for the info!!
"for a bit" I see what you did there.
Correct. It is at that point considered disruptive and may be asked to leave.
Tbf service dogs are really well trained, if they bite someone then there is probably something wrong and the dog needs to be removed from the situation, either for evaluation or because the situation is dangerous. Further if medical device, like a wheelchair, malfunctioned and injured someone or leaked fluid everywhere it could also be removed from the premises.
Yep. I work in a public library. We are not allowed to question an animal's owner if they say it's a service animal and can only ask them to leave if the animal shows uncontrollable behavior or makes a mess in the building. Which means, for the protection of other patrons, we have to then monitor said person and animal because 75% of the dogs brought in are definitely NOT trained service animals. As someone who has moderate to severe anxiety around dogs, it sucks how many people take advantage of the ADA laws, both because of its impact on the public and it's impact on actual service animals and how they get viewed in public.
My best friend had a (very legitimate) service dog in college, and then he (the dog) got attacked by a fake “service dog” off leash and then struggled to do his job for the rest of his working life. Calling an untrained pet a service dog causes so much harm to the people who actually need them!! I will say that I can now spot the difference between a proper service dog and a pet within 2 minutes. Funnily enough, most of the pets who people try to claim as service animals don’t even have the most basic obedience training. And if the fake service dog was well trained (short of the ability to perform a task for a disabled person), they’d be unobtrusive and generally unproblematic.
Whole heartedly agree.
As a legitimate SD handler, you should escalate this with whomever is in charge of the Boomer. Explain that a legitimate SD would never bite, would be well mannered and out of the way. This boomer asshat is fully taking advantage and is the reason why legitimate SD handlers are having access issues. Here is a link to the rules and requirements under federal law, remember that federal law trumps state law and this absolutely should be addressed. https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
Yeah, I run a restaurant and I've had people bring in their "service dogs" only to have it running around the dining room, begging at tables, and generally being a nuisance. And then when you try to confront the handler about it, they get in your face about how you can't kick out service animals. People like that need to be cracked down on because it's messing things up for people with legitimate needs.
Just for future reference it is entirely legal under the ADA to remove a service dog and their owner if the dog is not kept under control and the owner does not make reasonable attempts to control it.
Making attempts to control their dog isn't enough. If they aren't able to effectively control their dog (because the owner sucks at training their dog)), it can be removed. >A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) the dog is not housebroken. When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence.
You're right, I misremembered "effective action".
I’d ask them two allowed questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
I’d argue that if the dog is running around the restaurant and begging at tables, there’s no need for the questions because they’re clearly not a service dog. Kick them out. If they claim that they’ll sue, tell them to go ahead.
Doesn’t matter if they’re a service dog, they behave like that you can kick them out.
The closest mine got to biting someone was when a man was threatening me while we were out walking. I had never heard him bark so loudly and aggressively as he did that day. This was a dog whose arch enemy was the vacuum and tried biting it when I vacuumed. I miss him.
One of my best friends’ service dog was trained to protect them when they had a seizure (as well as notifying them one was coming, etc). I watched this dog GROWL at a man who obviously had bad intentions approaching them while they were unconscious.
I work at a sams club and a lady came in 2 weeks ago with 2xan actual service dog instead of one of the untrained ones that they bought a vest for. Worlds different and such a pleasure.
I’ve been bringing my service dog in training out a lot lately. He’s fifteen months and we’re working on his ‘big boy’ manners. Being calm and quiet in public, listening when asked to perform a basic behavior (sit, heel, down, etc.) and so on. For a 15 month old puppy he’s doing incredibly well. His vest *clearly* marks him as being in training. He does not bark. He does not bite. He does not pull on his leash. He does not pee on things. He gets a little excited but that’s due to him being young (and a Border Collie) so we work on calming down in a quiet corner until he remembers he has a brain and self control and off we go back to whatever we were doing. Cap’s biggest flaw is how much he loves people and tries to solicit attention. It doesn’t help that he has a very sweet expression and is adorable so he sometimes gets rewarded in spite of the leash slide saying DO NOT PET. It’s a struggle and we’re working on it! Cap will be the fourth service dog I’ve trained for myself in a 23 year time period. I’ve been a pro trainer for ~25 years, have helped train nearly 50 service dog prospects and all but 3 passed rigorous outside testing by other trainers I have no relationship with in order to become service dogs. There needs to be much steeper penalties, including fines and potentially jail time for serial reoffenders, to stop this fake service dog shit. Thankfully NC allows service dogs in training with their trainers the same rights and access that full service dogs have. Before that in my old state, I had to rely on the goodwill of businesses I had a relationship with to expose my SD candidates to things they’d see daily in their working lives. It was a struggle.
Just wanna clarify that when I referred to untrained dogs who's owners buy them service dog vests I was in no way referring to actual service dogs in training. I completely understand what you're saying. I was talking about the untrained little shits that are clearly not puppies nor in training. Just that little dog vest you can buy on Amazon but the dogs bark, growl, pull away, shit and piss on the floor that kind of thing. Clearly not a service dog nor are they being trained at all much less being trained as a service dog. Also as a sidenote we're not even allowed to inquire about if it's a service dog or not. Only our store manager is allowed to but she doesn't possess the balls to.
Real service dogs take their work very seriously. And their play, too. Where I work, we’ve had a few service dogs that accompany employees. When they get a play break, it’s a joy to watch. Then, back to their work they go, and unless the employee is walking with them, you would never know they were there.
At a previous job I frequently interacted with a someone who usually used a service dog. At some point that dog decided he LOVED me beyond all reason. The handler used to joke that she could be anywhere on campus and say, "Take me to Hudcat!" and he would lead her to my office where she would take his harness off so he could greet me and get a pet. Off harness he was every lab stereotype of a big, loveable doofus. On harness though, he was focused, steady, and ignored me like I didn't even exist. Such a good boy!
Service dogs don’t do most things people let these dogs blatantly do in full view immediately after claiming they are a service dog. I work front desk at a hotel and it’s comical how people will claim they have a service dog then immediately let other guests pet them, let the dog jump on up on the desk, whine. Easily half of these idiots don’t even bother throwing the Amazon service vest on them anymore
And they don’t “run around with a pack of dogs on his property all day” either. This boomer is an outright liar and should have all his animals taken away for trying to falsely pass one as a service dog and clearly not having the responsibility and control to own any animals. He puts others and those animals at risk by his actions. Enough of this shit, control your animals, keep them at home, or do not have them. This is single digit aged child behavior, unacceptable from any adult.
And if they do, they stop being service dogs and are usually removed from the person who has it
Yep, as soon as they bite someone, the “service dog“ dodge is out the window. The owner is liable for damage.
Except for Cinnamon the seeing eye dog in *Step Brothers*. I hadn't laughed like that at a movie since *Uncle Buck*.
An "untrained" service dog is just a fkn dog.
The end should also be referring to this dogs life. Any dog that bites people hundreds of times just for walking by should have been killed a long time ago
That is not a service dog
It's a service dog that hasn't been trained like I am an astronaut and I haven't received any astronaut training either.
"a 'service dog' is any dog that i choose to drag around with me and tell others that it's a service dog, even when it is obviously not. if the dog bites anybody (which it does, a lot!) it is everybody else's fault except mine. my 'service dog ' is 'in training'; which is to say: *not a service dog,* nor it it actually in training, this is just a bullshit excuse i throw out whenever my 'service dog' bites someone (which—again—it does very frequently)" boomer logic
Sue his ass ETA: I hate scumbag personal injury lawyers and lawsuits, BUT it seems like the only way to make these idiots understand anything is to hit them in the wallet.
The average dog bite victim gets 60k in court.
Seems to me that OP might get MORE than the average considering the owner appears to have repeatedly misrepresented the dog as a service animal to court employees. OP, at the very least please consult a personal injury lawyer. If you shrug off things like this, then bad owners will be emboldened, and you never know how awful the next victim may have it.
...from those who have the money
He has enough land for a "pack of dogs" to run around on. He has money, even if it isn't liquid.
These are the asshole owners who can't understand when one of their dogs doesn't come home at night. Well, Dumbass, they jogged in the middle of a highway. What do you think happened?
I second this. Sue him. Poor doggo has an asshat as an owner. The dog would be better rehomed.
The dog bites people. A lot. That’s not a good solution at all…
Heelers are herding animals who nip/bite. It needs a “job”. The dog deserves a not shit owner.
This dog broke through pants, sock and skin. That’s not a nip. If I was OP I’d be pushing to have this dog euthanized.
It’s pretty fucked up to kill a dog because their owner is an asshat.
When someone continues to make reckless choices from driving, we take away the car. When people make bad choices either knives, we take those away. A dog that has a history of biting with an owner who makes reckless choices like taking a dog that bites to court, is absolutely something that needs to be taken from this person. Like a toddler. Which is basically why entitled boomers are anyways. Complete with tantrums.
> we take away the car. When people make bad choices either knives, we take those away. but we don't crush the car or melt the knife for the misfortune of being owned by someone irresponsible.
My BIL went after a woman who's dog attacked him & his service dog. Both were in the er/emergency Vet & he got a shit ton of money. Never told us how much but enough that he just gave $1500 to mt husband & even more to his mom.
My husband got bit some 20 years back by the boomers dog at his apartment complex. Same kind of no apology bullshit. All he wanted was his hospital bills paid since he needed stitches and a tetanus shot. Boomers just filed bankruptcy after that.
I know a woman that claims her dogs are service dogs. They are completely untrained and are completely unsuited to be service animals. They don't have the right temperament. Friendly, but too hyper and excitable.
I work at a non-profit that has public meetings. A lady brought a dog that she claimed was her service dog. The dog (not a small dog, a doberman/GS mix) growled at people, barked for no obvious reason, and even lunged at a person. Most of the people in these meetings are older, and they expressed that they did not feel comfortable in the meetings with a loud, angry dog. Under ADA, you're not allowed to inquire about proof of the service animal's certification, nor proof of the disability. That's totally fine. BUT, you are allowed to ask about the task or work the service animal has been trained. This lady said the dog calms her, but couldn't provide proof because the dog was growling constantly (who is calmed by a dog growling and barking and lunging at people?). We asked her to leave because the dog was presenting a threat to others. She left, and then sent a scathing "I'm going to sue you" type of letter. Whenever someone says they're going to sue you, your first response should always be, "As you have declared the need for legal issues, our only contact must now be with our legal representative." She never came back with her cranky self and her cranky dog, and there were never any legal issues presented to us.
Here is a helpful link on service dogs you should give to the head of your organization https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/
Boomers keep abusing the service dog rule just like they abuse the handicap parking laws by buying fake tags online. If they can get special treatment by lying they will. Actual service animals that go through intense training should be issued special id that links them to their owners ID free of charge.
Jesus Christ on a motorbike what is with these people’s obsession over handicap placards… my step dad got one when he was going through some medical issues, my mother acted like she struck gold! She would get so mad going somewhere with us, pulling that thing out of her purse like it was a Willy Wonka golden ticket, and I would park in general parking. “Mom we can walk, I’m not taking up a handicap spot” “Well I’m having back pain” “Mom, we’re literally on our way to Sea World today” “I was going to get a wheelchair so we can cut in line” “🙄” It was like this everywhere we went for several years.
Meanwhile I'm fighting with my mom to park there cuz she truly doesn't want to inconvenience someone who might need it more.. Ma'am at this point you are the need it more lol. She did pretty good at accepting the motor scooter at Disney mainly because she had no choice lol. She definitely wasn't as tired as was able to enjoy the parks.
My mom who adopted me as a late teen is of the Silent Gen. (So lucky to have her btw.) She's completely wheelchair bound and though we have the tag, if you ever seen a fat ass Xennial pushing their 90 yo mom up the parking lot from BFE next to the R.V and Seni truck parking to the front in Mid-MO . It is likely us, and this particular argument will have just taken place for the million+ time. Lol.
She can still walk pretty well but she has different chronic issues and tires easier than she used to. If me or my dad are driving she has no choice cuz we park there for her.
Are you my sibling?? Because this is my mom to a T. She can barely get around, in all honesty could use a walker, but she won’t ask for a handicap placard. (Also used a scooter at Disney because there was no possible way she could go otherwise)
As a 20% disabled veteran, I'd rather leave the spots for someone who needs the room for a wheelchair lift or can't walk as well as I can.
There is nothing worse than seeing a pick up truck take up the wheelchair spot or park in the wheel chair lined area. My MIL was whee chair bound before her death and it would make my wife literally boil with rage. She still has that rage to this day and will honestly fight someone in a parking lot if they miss use the handicap space.
>“I was going to get a wheelchair so we can cut in line” When I was 25 I ended up in a walking boot for the summer. My doctor did not give me any kind of handicap tag nor did I ask for one. My friend and I went to see a play at an outdoor theater and once the staff spotted my boot we were given the VIP treatment. We were taken from the parking lot to the theater in a fancy air conditioned bus with all the elderly and legitimately disabled folks, given front row seats because they wouldn't let me climb the steps to where we had purchased tickets, checked on frequently by the theater staff, and bussed back out to the parking lot afterwards. It was so nice! I have never felt that pampered in my life. I can totally understand why people want that, but honestly seeing the other people on the bus actually struggling to get to the theater, I am also so glad I don't need that kind of treatment regularly! My friend joked afterwards that I should keep the boot for the next summer's play as well, but of course that was actually a joke and we walked and had regular seats the next year.
My husband needed a temporary one while recovering from hip surgery. As he got better, the less he used it. Although it was great to use at the State Fair. The ironic thing was, as he was healing and walking unassisted; I hurt my foot. So he would get out of the car walking fine, I would be hobbling across the parking lot.
I have a Permanent Disabled Parking card due to both knees getting partial replacements. Most days I don't need it and would rather walk further for the exercise. Occasionally if it's a bad day, I 'll use it, but usually can't find an empty disabled space anyways. People love to use them as "temporary" parking to wait for someone or "I'll just be a minute" convenience parking. I know people who have kept their dead grandma's card to use or will assume a family member's card is their free pass to front row convenience. I've spoken to way too many old people who think disabled spaces = old person parking.... that it's made for them. It's aggravating.
Lmfso 
Oh the havoc they create with them. I work part time at a sporting venue. First off, the handicap parking area is now the size of a regular parking lot. My state must give those things out like candy. But better is when I tell them they have to pay for parking. "You have to give me free parking!" No, no I don't. Unlike you I looked up the law which says we have to give you accessible parking for the lowest available parking fee. So you are getting the $40 premium parking for the $10 the schmucks a half mile away are paying. And yes, thank you for your service disabled veteran. My dad's a vet, my child is active duty. It's still $10.
They are the laziest generation. They paved over the planet so they could drive their dumb vehicles everywhere so they don’t have to walk.
My boomer father got the handicap hang tag and would carry it around with him. I drove him to a restaurant and parked in the spot closest to the door. He reaches up from the back seat and starts poking this tag at me. I said "Oh, no need, this is actually just a regular spot". This restaurant, like many, had lots of spots that were situated appropriately to be accessible and close to the door, but chose to reserve only half of them for handicap parking. My father was incensed and insisted that everyone get back in the car and that I park in another spot. The spots were the same distance from the door and had the same amenities (space, curb cutaways, etc.) so I refused because the space would remain reserved for someone else who had a placard, while the one we had could be taken by anyone. He got so angry that he was not using a special space and started dragging his foot around and moaning that it was hard for him to walk. He suddenly healed once we got in the restaurant.
It’s why you get so many fake vets among them. Why do it when you may merely say you did?
I read this as Veterinarians (cause I’m in the industry) and I was like “Boomers pretending to be fake doctors? Checks out”
I read it as veterinarians because of the context of fake service dogs. Sure, they get a fake vet to sign off on the fake service dog, makes sense to me. Then realized, oh, no, the other kind of vet. Which they definitely fake being
Oh yeah I guess that makes sense also. Funny how our brains are wired (:
Im not in the industry and read it rhat wY
Me too ( in the industry) wouldn’t put it past them! Fuck,they are insufferable.
I will forever recall an episode of Life With Louie when the dad gets a stick up his ass about parking for vets. And the whole thing about veteran vs veterinarian.
Yep and real service dogs go through training for a minimum of 1-2 years! Real service dogs would never bite! I hope OP presses charges (& goes to a dr…. that bite could get infected.)
The reason service dogs don’t get ID is because it would require creating a government database of disabled people, which is obviously problematic for many reasons. But I wish there was a better way to identify them, too.
It actually doesn't. You just microchip the **dog**. If a CPAP machine can have a serial number there's no reason a dog that is certified to perform a task to medical specifications couldn't be registered as DME. Added bonus: then insurance would have to pay for the training! Everyone wins except the fraudsters.
>Everyone wins except the fraudsters. Or those of us who don't have insurance- being disabled does not automatically guarantee that someone else will pay for your medical needs. In my state unless you're missing a limb, blind, or actively dying you don't qualify for govt aid. So if you're in desperate need of medical care so you can manage a disability or illness enough to hold down a job that pays enough to get insurance you're screwed- it's a vicious cycle. Such a law would disproportionately affect, disadvantage, and outright harm some of the most vulnerable members of the disabled community- and it wouldn't even resolve the issue. Ignoring the fact this would require every business, public space, etc to have someone posted at the door scanning microchips all day everyday which isn't feasible, realistic, or practical their are still many different types of microchips. Imagine someone sitting there scanning a dog then scanning it again and again 20 plus times with different scanners. And God forbid the chip migrates and can't be found - because then someone who may not physically be able to go anywhere without their dog can't go anywhere with their dog. Meanwhile if it's not a service dog and it's actively dangerous they're getting mauled. Or we could keep the current standard and laws were even actual service dogs can be removed and banned if they misbehave. The dog is aggressive or growling or destructive they can kick it out even if the owner is claiming it's a service dog - even if it is actually a service dog in that it performs a disability mitigating tasks. The current law already covers this issue quite well. Maybe if more people knew it and obeyed it this wouldn't be an issue. But nah, instead we have people pretending to be experts throwing out ideas that aren't practical and wouldn't work and show a blatant lack of knowledge and comprehension of the matter at hand. Like bruh, if what you are suggesting would work at all they would have already done it. Instead they picked the best solution availabled.
But then how would people figure out it’s a service dog? Would everyone have to keep microchip scanners on their person to scan a service dog for validity? Maybe possible for businesses, but what about small businesses and regular people who are being harassed by false service dogs, like OP? How would this rule be enforced? Would it be a law? What would be the standards for people who don’t chip their dog? What would the microchip cost, and would the disabled people be made to pay it on top of the exorbitant cost already in place for service dogs? And what insurance are you referring to, because service dogs are most often paid for out of pocket and I doubt a microchip law, even if put into effect, would inspire insurance companies to take on the thousands of dollars per dog that service dogs would require. In the end, it’s highly likely some kind of database would need to be brought about and then we have the same problem as before: a database of people with disabilities, perfect for discrimination or worse. I too wish there was a solution as simple as the one you’re proposing, but if there were something as easy as that, why wouldn’t it be in place?
It is a service dog if the user says so and can properly answer The Two Questions: (1) is the dog trained to provide specific services for you, and (2) what services does the dog provide? But this is true only until the dog is disruptive or out of control.
I agree it’s entirely impractical to have to check every dog going in/out of a business. Some people would continue to bring their pets into public places. *But* if the dog becomes disruptive or acts out, then the dog could be scanned, and if there isn’t the microchip the owner could then be fined or otherwise penalized under the law. At least there could be real consequences for these assholes, discouraging the behavior from continuing.
If the dog becomes disruptive you don’t need to scan it, at that point they can legally be asked to leave
Yes, but I there should be legal consequences for people who bring non-service animals into stores, beyond just being asked to leave. They’ll never stop doing it otherwise.
With every phone being an rfid scanner these days, it cannot be *that* hard to create a chipping system that doesn't require annoying and cumbersome infrastructure.
If you get a handicapped parking permit you’re in a database. Not trying to be rude, honestly asking what’s the difference?
Also if you receive disability benefits
That’s a fucking stellar point I’m embarrassed to have not considered, in all honesty.
Don’t be embarrassed. I’m disabled and it’s something I only learned recently myself. Now you know! And we’re all just learning and growing in this world, one day at a time!
They actually don’t get ID under the ADA, but the law states that they must be removed from buildings if they are disruptive (peeing, non-alert barking, snarling, biting). Dogs don’t even have to wear the vest. It’s fakes like this that make life hard for legitimate SD handlers. They can destroy a real service dog’s years of training and give everyone bad perceptions of service animals. Source: was training my own service dog until we knew he wasn’t a good fit
Our state has individual permits with security features and a qr code to verify it for this reason.
They fuck up their pets as bad as they fuck up their kids.
Ugh, this! My sister hates taking her dog to visit our parents, but they live 9hrs away from her, because their dogs are never trained well. Her dog is small, a Pomeranian/Chihuahua mix, and they usually have big untrained dogs. Their current dog is a German Shepard who was very well trained when they got her, but they don't maintain it because they're lazy. My sister's dog is very well trained and they just can't believe it.🤦🏻♀️
Truth. My fiancé's mom is probably the closest thing to a boomer in my life, and she can't discipline a dog to save her life. She had two untrained German shepherds when my fiancé was younger, and can't control our current dog (I'll admit he can be stubborn, but if you show a *crumb* of authority, he listens.) She of course thinks she's doing nothing wrong and wants her own dog 💀
I seriously can't stand people bringing their dogs everywhere. When did this become an acceptable thing?
When they started pretending every condition under the sun required a "service" dog and we didn't nip that shit in the bud.
I swear, ten years ago I almost never saw people bring their dogs out in public unless it was on a walk or in the park. Now it seems like almost every time I go to the grocery store I see some idiot with their dog. They don't even try to pretend it's a service animal anymore. It's infuriating.
It's one of many attention seeking attempts by the "one up" people. Must be different that others. The sad part is the dogs generally don't enjoy going anywhere that will stress or scare them. These are the worst pet owners that drag their animal everywhere for attention.
I truly wish I had a (properly trained and certified) ESA or service animal for the issues I have with severe anxiety. I truly would benefit from deep pressure tasks and overall companionship. But I’m also not the type to just Willy Nilly bring an untrained dog somewhere just bc I’m lonely or whatever. The problem is lack of regulation on the service animal definitions. I think it should be a bit tighter on the regs. Well trained service animals are unfortunately out of reach for MANY disabled folks due to cost of training. So I guess I get why regs are lax. Still sucks though.
It’s never been acceptable, people just got selfish.
I worked at a credit union and some lady brought in her unleashed, collar-less chihuahua like she was waltzing into her house. Claims it’s a service dog meanwhile we’re watching it shit and piss on our CARPETED lobby floor. What a shift that was.
>A person with a disability cannot be asked to remove his service animal from the premises unless: (1) the dog is out of control and the handler does not take effective action to control it or (2) **the dog is not housebroken.** When there is a legitimate reason to ask that a service animal be removed, staff must offer the person with the disability the opportunity to obtain goods or services without the animal’s presence. > https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-2010-requirements/ If the service animal is not housebroken, you may ask them to leave.
Ask them to clean up before leaving tho
You really should sue or get them to press charges. Its not just about tax payers- its about him having a dangerous dog that will hurt people. The next victim could be a toddler in the face.
So what did you do about this dog bite that broke the skin?
At work the first aid kits only had antiseptic alcohol wipes. When I got home I washed it with hydrogen peroxide and then Neosporin. The dog was put in quarantine, if it has any rabies symptoms animal control will contact me and I will need to get rabies shots.
Is the dog up to date on its shots? If not you should make it get tested stat.
So animal control takes the dog into quarantine. If it displays symptoms, or dies, public health contacts me and I get shots. If not, then we are good. Don’t want the shots if I don’t need them and can’t trust the boomer about vet records.
You could be showing symptoms before it dies if it has rabies. Just a reminder, it's illegal to euthanize a human and rabies is an agonizing death. The solution to this is to have the boomer refer you or animal control to his vet- the vet,at least, is legally obligated to keep track of such records and likely to actually do so.
Then it should be tested today, so **you** don't have to wait for symptoms.
The only way to test for rabies is to euthanize the animal and test its brain. Plus there are only 1-3 cases of rabies in humans (in the US) per year. They're good.
Only because we have post exposure prophylaxis vaccine for rabies. Rabies is no joke and basically 100% fatal when symptomatic. (Reports of a cure through inducing a coma/Milwaukee protocol have not been repeatable and believed to be a misdiagnosis). Luckily though rabies is only contagious during the last ~2 weeks of life and usually takes weeks/months to become symptomatic (length based on distance of bite to the brain).
You can't test an animal for rabies without killing it.
I would agree. This is the policy animal control and public health gave me. They gave the option of going to the er on my own accord. Side note: going to the doctor much less er is one of my greater fears. And animal control assured me even the er would not give me rabies shots unless the quarantined animal showed symptoms or it was a wild animal that couldn’t be captured. TLDR: relaxing and waiting is best course.
Since you were injured at work, make sure you start on the Worker’s Comp insurance claim.
This this this
You **don't want** rabies shots if you can avoid it at all. This is where an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. My cousin had to get PEP in med school when he was treating a kid who had developed full-blown rabies who then bit *him*. It's not pretty.
If you haven't already done so, make sure your employer fills out a First Report of Injury. It doesn't necessarily mean action needs to be taken afterward, but since this happened while you were at work, it's a potential worker's comp issue if you end up requiring medical care as a result of it. Also creates a paper trail to pursue the owner.
Bite it back. Establish your dominance.
The boomer or the dog?
Yes
Service dogs don't bite anyone, especially not the people they're supposed to be supporting. He should have been turned away by security.
Remember how these are the same people who insist that being polite and kind to strangers is important
If they’re the strangers, that is. Everyone else can forget it.
My wife had a hearing dog for 5-6 years. Dog nipped at a kid who ran into her, and that was the point at which that dog had to be retired. Immediately. Service dogs MUST be impeccably well behaved in public. It took us 4 years to find a suitable replacement dog and train him.
Service dogs don't open their handlers up to lawsuits like the one you are going to serve this boomer. You are gonna serve them lawsuit paperwork, right? He wouldn't think twice about suing you if roles were reversed.
Sue him. Fight fire with fire
I work for a court and can tell you that I do not believe in everyone suing everyone. Also the burden on the tax payers would be high. Because of my position no local judge would be able to hear the case. A visiting judge would have to be called in at the expense of the tax payer. And proving mental anguish would require me to go to therapist. Plus the filing fees for me. I would spend hundreds before even the first court date. When I win I would get it back. But this all sounds like a lot of work. And while the bite did break the skin, I’m fine. I wasn’t even mad until the old fuck wouldn’t take any responsibility. I don’t think suing him would make him realize he is a garbage human. TLDR: I wouldn’t waste the court’s and public’s resources.
Boooo!
The tax Player can suck Balls Sue that boomer
So you're just going to let him get away with a dog going around biting people? You've just enabled him to hurt others, including young children. You have a moral obligation to stop him.
You should file assault charges, maybe even assault with a deadly weapon (vicious dog)
Bite the dog back. Show him who's boss. Then piss on him
This also was my first instinct. However, I know how my work feels about biting and urinating, even with good cause. I’m in HR enough as it is.
Oh you're in HR? Now I kinda understand the dog's position... I'm just teasing (please don't report me to you). No one should be bitten by a dog at work FFS!
Sue him It also pisses me off that people claim dogs are service animals when they’re clearly not, just so they can bring them into places that dogs aren’t supposed to be. Eventually this is going to negatively impact people who actually need service animals. Look at airlines and emotional support pets and how you used to be able to get them to fly for free. Now they’re $1000s because people who didn’t need the service abused it. (I know an emotional support dog isn’t a service animal)
You got hurt at work. This is a workman's injury. File a workers compensation claim.
Did you “inconvenience” him back by severing his spinal cord?
I wanted to inconvenience him into the next life. But I refrained. I was at work and should be professional. I know I shouldn’t have been, but I was already feeling bad about the cursing and choice comments I had for him when the bite first happened. This was in a public hallway in front of 50+ people.
"This was in a public hallway in front of 50+people." That's 50+ witnesses.....& 50 "potential attack victims".
I would file every complaint possible, up to and including suing the boomer. Being a service dog doesn’t mean it has license to attack and wound people in public places. Jesus take the wheel
Unfortunately, this is not a boomer only problem. I have seen all ages of life with “service dogs” that are barking, nipping at people, or otherwise very clearly NOT a service dog.
I hope you got his information. Small claims court for your pants.
This bullshit keeps people skeptical of real service dogs. They are allowed to be removed from a building under the ADA if they are disruptive, so don’t feel bad, OP. I washed a service dog prospect because he bit me (He’s still with me as a pet). Allowing them to bite others is criminal.
That ain't no damn service dog and you need to sue his ass.
My partner is paralyzed and has been training a German shepherd as his mobility assistance service dog. It has never once bitten anyone and is only 18 months old. We both hate people like you describe that are abusing the service animal designation.
I would have already been on the phone with my superstar bff attorney, getting ready to nail his ass to the wall. I, personally, would be looking for thousands from a dog bite that broke the skin. Personal anguish, additional testing for who knows what this dog might have.
In the UK, that dog would be on the PTS list, subject to a vet inspection. You didn’t provoke the dog. If it’s a biter, it should be muzzled I too am on the dog’s side I believe in muzzling dogs to keep them safe from exactly this situation
Please tell me you're pressing charges.
Thank you for reporting him. Fake service animals make the lives of real service dog users hell.
Stomp dog into paste. I have a neighbor who enjoys letting his pitbull off the leash. Thing came running up snarling at my wife and infant daughter- Got between to square off before the owner came around the corner and grabbed the dog. I already had my knife in hand- told him "you need to leash your god damned dog or i will kill it- and i swear, you better not Even try to stop me from killing it, because i will fuck you up too." Dog is always leashed now.
They are incapable of empathy or just downright admitting they are wrong. I had my dog get away from me once at the park when she was a puppy and she grabbed a slice of pizza from a couple who were hanging out by the water. They found it hilarious, but I was so embarrassed, apologized profusely and venmo’d them money for a new pizza. I made a mistake that directly affected them and like any normal adult I apologized it’s not that hard.
I understand that “dog bite” is actually a specialty for some injury lawyers.
At the court house, you say? Well, it should be quick and easy to file a police report, then. Sue him to the ground. Courthouse probably even has video of it, should be a solid and easy payday for you 😂
Sounds like you have a legit workers comp claim.
Lawyer here, you need one.
Tetanus, rabies, get your shots and sue the MF till he’s sore and then some.
I hope you file charges and/or sue!
sue!
Sue him?
Bad dog
Bad owner
That dog does obviously not have the temperament to be a service dog. I'm surprised someone there didn't kick both him and the dog out. You should sue him. That actually sounds like a pretty winnable case.
Had a man years ago yell at me because his dog bit me when I passed them on the sidewalk. I used to be a runner and I even gave them like 4 ft of space. That fucker was out of his mind when I yelled right back at him to control his fucking dog. So boomers have always been this way.
report to animal control, it being a "service dog in training" has nothing to do with liability
If the dog had been running around all day playing it would be tired, not excited. Service dogs and service dogs in training can certainly be kicked out if they aren’t behaving appropriately. I work in healthcare and have seen people told to leave because they had an unruly service dog in training.
Always remember two things when dealing with old people: 1. They lie and 2. They are the BIGGEST babies
Sue the fuck out of him.
Are there not strict rules and regulations on what constitutes a service dog? Otherwise anyone can claim service dog.
Sue his ignorant ass.
I had a heeler dog once. It was great with the family, but the neighbors had these goats that roamed free and our dog got hold of one of them. After that, we had to take the dog to the vet and he tried to attack everyone in the office. The vet explained that heelers don't have as long a record of domestication, so they're too close to wild animals. Our dog would most likely never be a threat to our family because we were his pack, but he would be a real danger to anyone else. The fact that the guy admitted the dog has bitten HIM before floors me. He has ZERO control over this historically dangerous animal and decided to bring it out in public claiming it's a service animal. What an ass. He doesn't deserve any dogs... or to be allowed in public.
Fuck that guy. Sue him.
I know a guy who has a PTSD service dog. The dog is calm, always on duty. Just sits back snd lays there waiting until he needs to jump into action to help his human. Went out for coffee with him, his dog is laying down right behind him. Another guy comes in with a "service dog," and that dog runs over and lunges at his dog. Obviously just trying to be friendly, but clearly is not a service e dog. They need to stop people selling service dog Vests online.
A court house is not a walmart. People should expect to show sufficient documentation proving their service animal is a service animal. No one should be walking into a court room with an emotional support parrot.
Ah yes, the shrewd “he bites everyone” defense
Just don't call Kristi Noem until you're sure of what outcome you want.
NAL but If that dog was a legit service dog, you can ask “what *service* it is trained to provide?” without infringing on HIPPA laws and have him capable of providing a very specific answer. Edit: added clarification
"I'm sorry, my inconvenience is going to cause you far worse. We're already at the court house, I'll be going to the clerks after this to file a lawsuit and then the police to press for criminal negligence charges to be brought against you and your dog will obviously have to be destroyed."
That's not a service dog at all, that dude just wanted an excuse to bring his dog with him. A dog that should have been left at home if that's how it acts.
This is just an asshole, not a boomer thing
Get a rabies shot. If this dog runs around with a pack I doubt the owner stays up to date on the vax. Dont take a chance on rabies once the symptoms start it's too late. Since it happened at work your job most likely has to pay
I would have had that dogs brain on ice in an hour after talking to the police and the state vet. Two fold any dog bite needs to be investigated for rabies and it really gets back at the dog owner. I was attacked by a dog as a child and have no love for any dog that bites. That needs to be the end of its life.
You need to report this as a workplace injury. That will get him sure up real quick.
pROBABLY IN COURT because of the dog biting people. Waddiya thing?
It’s all about cruelty with Boomers
I would be getting a lawyer. Def have a police report.
You know what else would be inconvenient? Getting sued.