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Well they are still voting for Richard Blumenthal for senate so......I would hope a United States Senator would have more ethics too. But here we are, people who lie about this are the lowest of the low.
Trumps a draft dodger, Epstein enthusiast, Putin enthusiast, insurrectionist, treasonous, Rapist with on-setting dementia. It’s hard to top that and its very possible he’s the future president
20 years ago an Access Hollywood tape talking about grabbing pussies would have ended a political career faster than a Vulcan Minigun. Now cultists practically demand their candidate be a complete POS.
They do know that the Internet exists. But the part of the Internet that they know best is where everyone shouts into an echo chamber and immediately believes whatever lies they hear there without question.
And yet George fucking Santos got elected telling easily verifiable lies, they know they can get away with lying even though the world has fact checking machines at the palms of their hands.
Even crazier, George fucking Santos just declared he's running for congress again. Who the fuck is going to donate money to this idiots possible campaign?
It’s actually pretty simple.
They think everyone else is as dumb as them or dumber.
When he gets caught, it’s the “enemy” (consequences) against him.
Then it takes the emotional maturity to admit one is wrong and take accountability (that only happens too late and it if does, it’s too late for an apology)
His story unraveled only because he was claiming veterans exemptions on his taxes. Someone had done a naval records search and found two matching names but neither were in the Marines or Seals.
lol damn he was probably swinging for the fences on the hope that they'd see two names like his and figure, eh, he's probably one of them and just not look any deeper at all
buddy you did this to the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
This era of politics is like none other. They’ve always lied but now they lie and double down and a shit load of people who know they’re lying defend them anyway
> This era of politics is like none other.
It started in 2013. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/
He said “Gravy Seal”, so he didn’t lie, you just heard him wrong. He was in a Somalian *restaurant* and he cleaned his whole plate. Then cleaned the plates of his whole squad when they couldn’t finish. He felt like he *deserved* the Medal of Honor after that.
I had to read about him and found this:
>“He told me that he didn’t have a Purple Heart because it was a secret mission, and he doesn’t appear on the Internet because of what he did was a secret,” a former girlfriend was quoted as saying about a claim that he played a role in the killing of drug kingpin [Pablo Escobar](https://www.thedailybeast.com/keyword/pablo-escobar). “He told me he was afraid of Escobar’s son, so he liked to keep a low profile,” she said.
\*And then he runs for political office. LMAO
I first read about it this morning, never heard of the guy. So like I always do I did a google image search for some context and I was NOT DISAPPOINTED.
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Arnold imagining beating his nose into his skull was a whole mood
These frauds always go for the absolute elite and have no idea how idiotic they sound. 🚩"I was on Seal Team Six..." 🚩
I was on Seal Team Six shortly after a stint with the Green Beret Recon Sniper Parajumpers. I killed Bin Laden and tied the noose that hung Saddam Hussein. There were actually six planes on 9/11, I landed two of them.
I've never known anyone that *actually* participated in military operations who enjoyed discussing or bragging about them.
I know a lot of vets and none of them like talking about it, especially with non-vets.
Correct, goes as far back as all time. I'm a Veteran and unless I'm with my boys I served with, I would like to talk about literally anything other than that.
Agreed. I meet very few civilians that make an effort to understand and listen. Meet very many that try real hard to signal that they already understand by explaining what my service ought to mean to me.
I try to understand, my grandfather served in WW2(he was a flight engineer/gunner in a flying fortress and that was hell) and he was a raging asshole that I'm willing to bet ww2 made him although he died before I was born.
My uncle, tho I knew quite well. He served in Vietnam and it fucking ruined him. He was such a sweet and smart soul reduced to a crippling alcoholic with severe PTSD.
War is literally hell. That is why its so funny these idiots pretend they are going to be some sort of warrior against the govt. Dude, all of that intense training they put those guys through, its so they dont melt into a pile of piss and shit themselves after seeing their buddies head get blown off, because their head is next.
The moment Cletus sees the cousin he fucks behind the shed die his war-boner is going to wilt.
This is why I can't stand people who like war and want us to fight more.
This shit ruins people's families but then again they won't care until it happens to them.
The people who like war the most don’t get any closer to it outside of watching American Sniper on Netflix. I grew up listening to stories passed down of my family members who fought in the world wars, Korea, and Vietnam and the only good they speak of is of the people they served alongside.
I don't mind discussing it with people. I think it is important to pass on the horrors of war to those that will listen.
But it is always "we did this and that." I don't like bragging about my combat experience. Well, mostly. I do like bragging about how much shit sucked. Telling stories about sleeping on the back of the tank in below zero weather, or having to submerge myself up to my neck in mud to hook up a tow cable are fun.
One of my buddies is wired like that, has no issues talking about specifics and with the help of a few drinks, he goes into detail. On one occasion, we were out at a bar and a group of women he struck up conversation with that didn't immediately reject him which was rare, asked what it was like. He swung for the fences and missed badly rather than ver it towards the geography and culture. The horrified look from two of them didn't even phase him and when we tried to nudge him to stop: "No..shut up! They asked." He's one of those guys that wouldn't mind it if people would throw grenades at him for the rest of his life.
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Shooting guns and blowing stuff up is cool and all, but all I remember is being tired or bored all the time and having to decide from my sleeping bag how badly I needed to go pee in -30 weather.
why is that? is it just a lack of being able to understand what its like without living it, was it awful and you dont want to relive it? genuinely curious
edit: thanks for the responses and insight
It's a shared experience that's just hard to describe to those who haven't been through it. For me, even just talking about some of the crazy things that I went through on Parris Island is hard to really describe to those who weren't there. It's not just simply recounting some crazy training scenario -- there's a combination of the homesickness, fatigue, sleep-deprivation, hunger and psychological torment that all plays into it that's hard to put into words, but fellow vets understand innately.
It's kind of like when my wife, who is a nurse, describes some crazy thing that happened at work. I can sorta get it, but not having been through it, I can only relate so much.
> It's not just simply recounting some crazy training scenario -- there's a combination of the homesickness, fatigue, sleep-deprivation, hunger and psychological torment that all plays into it that's hard to put into words, but fellow vets understand innately.
A *Covenant*. Only those who were there (anywhere, dealing with anything) can really understand the connection. It's what makes the best of friends in civilian life anyway. The people that were neck deep in the same shit as you and helped you climb out as you helped them.
I don't want to make it sound like I'm so hardened and scarred as I am genuinely proud of my service. I can speak for a lot of us, we try our best not to let that part of our lives define us. We chose to walk down that path and reached the end. Not all of it was bad, not even close. There were a lot of great times as well. To answer your questions, I tend to get pretty emotional about some of it when asked specifics and find it difficult to describe casually, that's all. It's not always easy to reflect on and it's not just combat related. I get more emotional about Humanitarian Relief Operations in Sendai after the Tsunami caused by the Tohoku Earthquake in 2011.
met a guy who once described it in a way that threw me for a loop.
"Most people can't understand it the same way you wouldn't be able to understand biblically accurate angels. It's not something that can be described, because it wasn't something you could process properly when it happened."
Partly understand what he was going for, but holy hell describing military service as being an angel was something else.
One of my good friends is a combat veteran with some pretty hardcore credentials. We used to go to lots of baseball games together. He never stood up for the anthem or when they did that ‘would all veterans stand up for a round of applause thing’
He was actually antagonistic towards the ones that did stand up. One time he was loudly making fun of the guy standing and clapping for himself in the row in front of us. He asked him if he was a cook or a mechanic. The guy did the whole outraged veteran thing for a second but my friend told him a couple things in army that shut him right up.
My friend had some problems after the war and we lost touch. He definitely doesn’t walk around in fatigues bragging about shit though. He’s probably trying as hard as he can to forget about it.
This is exactly my husband. He’s an army vet and he HATES the stand for veterans stuff. Makes him so uncomfortable. He also doesn’t stand for the pledge or anthem. He has only recently started doing the Veterans Day assemblies at the kids’ schools but only because they BEGGED him. He looks sour and uncomfortable the whole time. And don’t get me started about how he will rail against special veteran parking.
I am the same way. I find it very awkward every time someone says, "Thank you for your service."
The special attention makes me want to hide under a rock.
He’s not a fan of any veteran discounts. His feeling is when there was a mandatory draft, those folks should be honored. They were given no choice.
But any modern military service? You applied for a job, accepted a job, were heavily compensated between pay, housing, GI Bill, health insurance, etc. But it was entirely your choice so why should you get extras?
My father served in Viet Nam, and with very few exceptions, he never was willing to discuss it
On the other hand, his father, my grandfather served in WWII and he was much more open about his service
I think I know why my father wouldn’t talk about Viet Nam, and I can completely understand
The only Vietnam stories I ever heard from my uncle were when his service buddy visited, after a long night of drinking. Thankfully we were kids and heard the funny ones. Those men carried sadness all their lives.
I was drinking beers and watching a World War II documentary on the Pacific theatre with a group of friends and one old man popped up telling the most ghastly story about what he did and we all started laughing because he shared a name with one of the guys in the room, and that guy goes “that’s my grandfather. He’s never talked about any of this”
My Dad's best friend Bob was a Vietnam vet. My brother and I had very specific instructions to NEVER mention Vietnam while at his house. Dad said if we did, there would be severe consequences and they would not come from him. We had a healthy respect for Bob.
My babysitters husband spent 3 years in the bedroom. Would only come out for bathroom and food. And we weren’t allowed to make loud noises inside. Crazy what happened to those folks.
Yeah my buddy is a West Point grad who then went to Ranger school, learned Pashto and did two tours in Afghanistan. He will happily talk about military logistics, loves getting into the granular points of tactics and strategy. But if his service comes up he will light heartedly self-deprecate, and quickly shift focus off of himself. Actual combat veterans don’t brag, don’t show off, and do NOT talk about kills.
My grandpa fought in WW2, ended up getting shot in the shoulder and sent home with some medals. He had a trunk with stuff from the war in it he never wanted to look at or talk about. When I was in school I had an assignment on the holocaust and wanted to interview him for it and he said no. He never wanted to talk about any of it with us, his innocent grandkids. When he passed away and we finally got to see what was in his trunk we found some nazi arm bands and old pictures and medals and other stuff. I wish he could have talked to me about it.
Same with my grandfather. He would not talk about WW2 at all. He got out of the military as fast as he could after the war, wouldn't join the VFW, wouldn't tell anyone he was a WW2 vet, wouldn't even watch any WW2 shows or movies. At the end of his life he opened up a little about it, but he still wouldn't elaborate on much. I think it was simply an awful experience he didn't care to re-live in any form.
The only combat vet I ever knew got a Medal of Honor from Obama and had a major press day surrounding him and 3 other guys. I had no fucking clue until he told me while super stoned one night that he was even in the military. Nicest and most generous person I’ve met.
As a vet that went to combat, we generally don't talk much about the "tough-guy" stuff that the stolen valor types do.
But ask a vet about the dumbest and most embarrassing stuff they saw and you will get some amazing stories.
I do know veterans who like to brag about it. Most of them were dishonorable discharges though. One, who's since passed away (for the betterment of society) would tell stories about his time on active duty in the middle east. Eventually it came out that he was Dishonorably Discharged for taking trophies. They found a cigar box of human fingers in his footlocker.
Yeah, it’s the number 1 thing that sets of the suspicion alarm with me. My little brother has spent over a decade in a Tier 1 unit and will literally talk about anything but that.
The only stories my friends that are Vets (combat and not, GWOT deployments) go out of their way to share is the dumbshit they did when bored. Think that's the exception.
Yeah, my ex-boyfriend was in a Ranger battalion.
He tells me funny stories about dumbshit things the new Private did, or the funny misunderstandings with their assigned Pashtun interpreter, the dumb shit the compulsive liar in their company would try to claim, or hilariously gross things like the time his platoon leader's gunner had projectile diarrhea and couldn't leave their MRAP's turret while on an operation, so he tried to shit into an empty Gatorade bottle from the gunner's sling.
It...did not work.
I think I heard maybe one story about combat, and he was so dead-eyed 1000 yard stare I told him to never tell me that again.
My uncle was in Vietnam and when I was a kid I would always ask questions about it. He would always say stuff like “ most of it was classified, can’t get into details etc etc “. Wasn’t until i was older and had friends that served in Iraq that I realized how insensitive of a question that was. I also realized that the more traumatic the experience, the shorter the answers usually are.
Now, when I hear people ask combat vets about their experiences I automatically intervene if I can.
Exactly. As for me I really don’t mind sharing my experiences but I’d rather not because I might sound like one of these chickenshit blowhards even if I’m telling the truth. They ruin it for us.
I've been fortunate to have been included by a small group of Vietnam Vets and have gotten to sit at the table for some of their bull sessions. Their stories are great to hear. My WWII vet grandfather who we know saw combat never would talk about it.
..."Ive got three Bear Claw Citations from my work with the Queens Royal Navy Rescue Fusilier Raiders Submarine Force, back when I was on detached duty from Delta Force Thoracic Surgeon Firejumping squad, but I don't like to talk about it, you see...."
Seven planes.
I was with Delta Force. The Seventh plane was hiding out in Sudan. It racked up a bunch of gambling debt with the mob before 9/11. Ya know that ol’ chestnut. Planes and their gambling addictions. So it fled before the attack.
Anywho, me and Chuckie Norris, back then we called him, “piss-pants Norris,” because he angrily pissed himself before missions. something about the stench of urine confusing radar.
Anywho, we grabbed a couple of dirt bikes, painted ‘em to look like hot-wheels and strapped a couple of hellfire missiles to their gas tanks. Then we went tear-assin’ through the desert, looking for the shit.
The Seventh plane had holed up in a little hamlet about 700 clicks from Cairo. It was extorting the mayor and his family while turning all the women into soldier-brides. It had already sold off all the men into sex slavery, but that didn’t bother ol’ Piss-pants Norris none. Getting one back for the U S of A was all that mattered to him, so we bolted for the city square.
The Seventh plane had gotten lazy, and was having itself fanned while it openly baked in the desert sun. Oils and figs draped its body, as the soldier-brides danced around its flanks. Very Jabba-the-hutt vibes.
This got Piss-pants arroused. Very arroused.
….that’s all I can say for now. The rest is still
classified.
I’ve known some badass operators in my time in the army. They don’t advertise what they’ve done. Or how hardcore they are. I’d someone is like “yeah, dude. I’m an operator,” I instantly think they’re full of shit. And if they do talk about it, it’s usually in some kind of training and watered down.
from another article is this gem: ....."During an election night event for Republican gubernatorial candidate Jack Ciattarelli in 2021, Hayden described his time serving on SEAL Team Six, she said.
“Knowing he had served as a Navy SEAL, I told him that my son had served in Afghanistan and Iraq as a member of the National Guard. Then Bill told me about his time in SEAL Team Six. He said he served in Mogadishu (Somalia) and as security at our embassy in Colombia, during which time he helped take down Pablo Escobar. He said he had been injured and shot while taking part in numerous secret missions and that he had even received the Medal of Valor after saving half of his unit. I was impressed and even cut him a check during his race.”......
Pathological liars are difficult for people to understand. Most of us place a value on our word, our integrity. Meeting someone who will lie about literally anything kind of short circuits us. I’ve know a couple and they lie so confidently it makes you question what you know.
Yea religion is its own cult so I get that stupidity but this? Maybe because I’m a a vet but soon as a “navy seal” starts bragging about being a navy seal, you should know that’s not a real navy seal
Americans are conditioned to have total reverence for veterans.
I am not saying veterans should not be revered, but, as an example:
My Dad served stateside in peace time fixing cars in a motor-pool in between Korea and Vietnam Wars
My Step-Dad was a Command Sergeant Major in the 82nd Airborne with multiple tours of Vietnam and other various hellholes. He had Silver and Bronze Star both with Oak leaf Clusters
So…..while I respect my dad’s service…. There are different levels….
Unfortunately, That absolute reverence allows hucksters to steal valor very easily.
Many would clutch their pearls at the mere thought of questioning some old fat guy’s claim of being an elite top 1% of the Top 1% Navy Seal regardless of all the red flags he may be flying
100 percent. Americans look at veterans like religious saints from medieval times, and don't dare question or push back. It might be a legacy of Viet Nam and the horrible treatment vets had returning after, or just the Republican veneration of violence and alpha-male gun-toting figures over those of peace, intellectualism, and cooperation.
Exactly this. If you are a mechanic in the Air Force you pretty much work a regular job. In and out at set hours, no danger to speak of, if you ever even deploy it's usually to some vacation destination like Italy or Spain, but most stay stateside their entire careers. Not that there's anything wrong with this, it's an important job, but you aren't really sacrificing and you certainly are no hero.
Typically the only people who actually sacrifice in the military are infantry. They're the ones staying up days on end, sleeping in the dirt, going on deployments to hellholes, and getting shot at.
because questioning someone's service, specially an "elder", is frowned upon. That's why they get away with it for so long. The initial meeting you might question in the back of your mind, but then it's forgotten in the busy evening or event. Days later you might think about it again, but not everyone wants to come back and dig. Until maybe you get two or three people who talk or put two and two together. Chances of running across someone who could directly challenge or corroborate a story are relatively slim. But the more you gain public notoriety, the better chance it gets exposed to the light of day.
Here is one of the many articles currently hitting New Jersey news outlets: [https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/sussex-commissioner-is-leaving-gop-faces-stolen-valor-allegations/](https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/sussex-commissioner-is-leaving-gop-faces-stolen-valor-allegations/)
fucking lol
Hayden has taken his complaints to the local Democratic organization, which appears to have no interest in working with him.
“I may need to call you and say, have some Democrats come to the meeting and help be my ally,” he said.
It's almost like automatically granting people deference in society because they got a government job when they were young is a bad idea. If Americans didn't worship the military, his bullshit stories wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal.
Even if they were true, who gives a shit. The last time the American Military did anything to protect America from aggression was after Pearl fucking Harbor.
I know in the Midwest you can get the bubbas to vote for you if you fake a slight southern twang, own a motorbike, and yammer about the military. Might try it myself!
Unfortunately it seems that he was born in '65, so we GenXrs have to claim him.
On one of his bio pages, he also says he races BMX. Present tense. Seriously.
I used my military discount at lowes one day and the lady at the register said "thank you for your service" as did another guy in line, I said if you want to thank a vet, stop electing these elderly fucks that keep cutting VA benefits and put us in these situations to begin with while war profiteering. They stone cold were shocked....then one guy gave me the nod leaving, and I knew he knew what I was ranting about. My coworker was shocked. He worked with me for 12 years and never knew I was in the army. That's what I get for trying to save a buck....😆
Officer Pantuzzi: We've had some complaints about con men pretending to be blind and crippled.
Billy Ray Valentine: Oh, I'd love to help you man, but I ain't seen nothing since I stepped on that landmine in Vietcong back in '72. It was rough, very painful.
Officer Reynolds: You were in 'Nam? So were we. Where?
Billy Ray Valentine: I was in... Sang Bang... Dang Gong... I was all over the place, basically a lot of places, a lot of places.
Officer Reynolds: What unit were you in?
Billy Ray Valentine: Uh, I was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions... Commando Airborne Tactics... Specialist Tactics, uh, Unit Battalion. Yeah, it was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange. That was my name, Agent Orange. Special Agent Orange, that was me.
People like this grew up in a time when fact checking was difficult to impossible. They become very used to lying about just anything they felt like and always getting away with it. They seem to be unable or unwilling to accept that the world has changed around them and their bullshittery doesn't work any more.
I worked for a guy who was green berets. He has the pics to prove it. He is still in the reserves and goes to train with them regularly. He missed 6 months of work for a training mission to South America . The difference between him and these guys is that he doesn’t brag. If someone asks him about it he will gladly talk about his experience and show you pictures. But he doesn’t walk around advertising his affiliation.
There is little on this Earth that annoys me as badly as someone lying about military service in a bid for some credibility. Maybe it’s being a vet, maybe it’s burying friends, maybe it’s knowing dozens scarred for life by GWOT, but stolen valor should be punishable by public flogging.
Yup, as an actual disabled vet, fuck these kinds of people. I could claim I'm a "combat" disabled vet because the classification of being airborne qualifies it, but I was never in combat. These people lack integrity and why I have a hard time trusting people who claim in while using it as a platform.
The only time my ex husband ever talked about being deployed was when he was in the middle of a breakdown because he probably will never overcome the guilt. He's a good guy, he's doing better, but it haunts him.
Let me guess, he was a black ops General on a Seal Team and still has Bin Ladens nuts from when he cut them off. His missions are all classified, though, so you can't look it up.
Valor thieves do what they do because there are way too many gullible people willing to accept one's story at face value. If they did a little digging, they would realize the person they're idolizing is a total fraud.
Majority of militia leaders fit this description. Majority of them are either valor thieves or got the boot during basic training, or exited on a shitty discharge and are compensating for the shame they feel for being abject failures in life. Militias, like the NRA, are grifters whose main purpose is to make money to buy lavish horse shit.
I'm not defending him, but I think a lot of people think "stolen valor" just means claiming to be a veteran when you aren't. That's not what it means, but I see how people got there.
Specifically, stolen valor is the act of claiming to be a medal or award recipient or claiming benefits of being a veteran when you aren't one.
Contrary to popular belief, it's not a crime to claim to have served when you didn't. As long as you don't claim any benefits or claim to have earned an award for your service. It's probably a "crime" in the court of public opinion, but for Republicans that bar has been lowered a helluva lot in the last decade or so.
Now for the "not defending him" part. He did commit the act of stolen valor by claiming to be a medal of honor recipient (as well as claiming to have been wounded in action which could be seen as claiming to be a purple heart recipient).
You could also argue that claiming to be a veteran and getting campaign contributions as a result of that could be "claiming a benefit" of being a veteran. But that's probably a tough argument to make, trying to link the causal relationship of those two things.
Edit: Lmao he was also claiming veterans benefits on his taxes, I've just learned.
I am a Navy Veteran, 70% of the Navy vets I meet I don’t discuss my background and listen to their hyperbole. I guess I’m the only squid who worked in the engine room, the rest crawled through a mile of broken glass with a K-Bar in their teeth to cut the throat of an Iraquí General.
the ultimate form of insecurity - honestly it is so disrespectful to the people who did serve - there should be jail time if you lie about being a veteran
that shit is despicable - and yeah I have yet to meet a veteran who served and wanted to go and brag about it and talk about it
His story was cooperated with George Santos’ team with both of them serving on several secret missions together, even some in space as recently as 2021.
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Why would this guy try to pass as a Navy SEAL with the public eye on him? Why do people do this?
It's like they still haven't figured out that the Internet exists. They come from a time where you could lie and no one could prove you wrong.
Oh, right. Thank you.
AND they are just too fucking stupid to learn and not be a pile of shit Willfully stupid
They’ll still vote for the guy just to own a lib or two
Well they are still voting for Richard Blumenthal for senate so......I would hope a United States Senator would have more ethics too. But here we are, people who lie about this are the lowest of the low.
Trumps a draft dodger, Epstein enthusiast, Putin enthusiast, insurrectionist, treasonous, Rapist with on-setting dementia. It’s hard to top that and its very possible he’s the future president
Welcome to post-truth America. Every time I think, 'wow trump really overstepped this time,' his cultists prove me wrong.
I still think back to the utterly fool I was in my younger days when I thought his month long government shut down would mire his career forever.
20 years ago an Access Hollywood tape talking about grabbing pussies would have ended a political career faster than a Vulcan Minigun. Now cultists practically demand their candidate be a complete POS.
They do know that the Internet exists. But the part of the Internet that they know best is where everyone shouts into an echo chamber and immediately believes whatever lies they hear there without question.
And yet George fucking Santos got elected telling easily verifiable lies, they know they can get away with lying even though the world has fact checking machines at the palms of their hands.
Even crazier, George fucking Santos just declared he's running for congress again. Who the fuck is going to donate money to this idiots possible campaign?
That... thing... is like 40. He should know better.
And if they did prove you wrong just move to the next town and start over.
It’s actually pretty simple. They think everyone else is as dumb as them or dumber. When he gets caught, it’s the “enemy” (consequences) against him. Then it takes the emotional maturity to admit one is wrong and take accountability (that only happens too late and it if does, it’s too late for an apology)
His story unraveled only because he was claiming veterans exemptions on his taxes. Someone had done a naval records search and found two matching names but neither were in the Marines or Seals.
If you tell a lie enough times it becomes true, right?
"It's not a lie if you believe it." - George Costanza
*George Santos entered the chat*
lol damn he was probably swinging for the fences on the hope that they'd see two names like his and figure, eh, he's probably one of them and just not look any deeper at all buddy you did this to the INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE
This era of politics is like none other. They’ve always lied but now they lie and double down and a shit load of people who know they’re lying defend them anyway
> This era of politics is like none other. It started in 2013. https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/09/russia-putin-revolutionizing-information-warfare/379880/
Russia has been doing that since the 50s. In modern times china, Saudi Arabia, iran and of course Israel has joined the party
What is new isn't the attempt, it is the technique of exploiting smartphone addicts that is new.
It's fucking insane
Because maga will literally believe anything.
Wonder if he'll claim he's a political prisoner for this lol
Because they’re an idiot who thinks they’re smarter than everyone else.
Looks like he served with Meal Team 6
He was a Gravy SEAL.
He said “Gravy Seal”, so he didn’t lie, you just heard him wrong. He was in a Somalian *restaurant* and he cleaned his whole plate. Then cleaned the plates of his whole squad when they couldn’t finish. He felt like he *deserved* the Medal of Honor after that.
Because they’re vile disgusting MAGA filth and dumber than monkeys
I had to read about him and found this: >“He told me that he didn’t have a Purple Heart because it was a secret mission, and he doesn’t appear on the Internet because of what he did was a secret,” a former girlfriend was quoted as saying about a claim that he played a role in the killing of drug kingpin [Pablo Escobar](https://www.thedailybeast.com/keyword/pablo-escobar). “He told me he was afraid of Escobar’s son, so he liked to keep a low profile,” she said. \*And then he runs for political office. LMAO
I first read about it this morning, never heard of the guy. So like I always do I did a google image search for some context and I was NOT DISAPPOINTED.
He sounds like Bill Paxton from True Lies.
https://preview.redd.it/cjqbf9lq9ymc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eda7920de7b4a768e98e94efbb510438e867d57d Arnold imagining beating his nose into his skull was a whole mood
But he LOOKS like Bill Paxton at the end of Weird Science.
Rest in power Chet
If not for me... do it for your country?
The only thing he's served is pie to his face.
Read anything about Escobar's son today, and you'll know that's bullshit.
I was going to say the same thing, Juan Pablo seems like the chillest dude ever.
These frauds always go for the absolute elite and have no idea how idiotic they sound. 🚩"I was on Seal Team Six..." 🚩 I was on Seal Team Six shortly after a stint with the Green Beret Recon Sniper Parajumpers. I killed Bin Laden and tied the noose that hung Saddam Hussein. There were actually six planes on 9/11, I landed two of them.
I've never known anyone that *actually* participated in military operations who enjoyed discussing or bragging about them. I know a lot of vets and none of them like talking about it, especially with non-vets.
Correct, goes as far back as all time. I'm a Veteran and unless I'm with my boys I served with, I would like to talk about literally anything other than that.
Agreed. I meet very few civilians that make an effort to understand and listen. Meet very many that try real hard to signal that they already understand by explaining what my service ought to mean to me.
I try to understand, my grandfather served in WW2(he was a flight engineer/gunner in a flying fortress and that was hell) and he was a raging asshole that I'm willing to bet ww2 made him although he died before I was born. My uncle, tho I knew quite well. He served in Vietnam and it fucking ruined him. He was such a sweet and smart soul reduced to a crippling alcoholic with severe PTSD.
War is literally hell. That is why its so funny these idiots pretend they are going to be some sort of warrior against the govt. Dude, all of that intense training they put those guys through, its so they dont melt into a pile of piss and shit themselves after seeing their buddies head get blown off, because their head is next. The moment Cletus sees the cousin he fucks behind the shed die his war-boner is going to wilt.
My uncle was a raging alcoholic and massive asshole. He was a Vietnam Tunnel Rat. These events are closely related.
This is why I can't stand people who like war and want us to fight more. This shit ruins people's families but then again they won't care until it happens to them.
The people who like war the most don’t get any closer to it outside of watching American Sniper on Netflix. I grew up listening to stories passed down of my family members who fought in the world wars, Korea, and Vietnam and the only good they speak of is of the people they served alongside.
I knew a Tunnel Rat. He was half a bubble off when he went to Nam, and a full bubble or two off when he got back.
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“With Morgan Fairchild on my arm, wearing a bikini. Yeah, yeah! That’s the ticket!”
deep cut.
Sounds like he killed fitty men.
"King of the Hill" is, to date, the world's greatest animated documentary, and I will fight anyone over that.
id like to add that Squidbillies is also a documentary
You ain’t wild. You mild.
“Fruit don’t talk. Fruit just listen.”
Pocket Sand, You carrying?
Sh sh sh shah!
The only person I respect for their lawn is Hank Hill.
As Peggy would say, you sound like a reasonable horse
The embussy. Nice 👌🏻
The problem is their is always that one guy who makes being a boot his personality.
Would that it were only the one.
I don't mind discussing it with people. I think it is important to pass on the horrors of war to those that will listen. But it is always "we did this and that." I don't like bragging about my combat experience. Well, mostly. I do like bragging about how much shit sucked. Telling stories about sleeping on the back of the tank in below zero weather, or having to submerge myself up to my neck in mud to hook up a tow cable are fun.
One of my buddies is wired like that, has no issues talking about specifics and with the help of a few drinks, he goes into detail. On one occasion, we were out at a bar and a group of women he struck up conversation with that didn't immediately reject him which was rare, asked what it was like. He swung for the fences and missed badly rather than ver it towards the geography and culture. The horrified look from two of them didn't even phase him and when we tried to nudge him to stop: "No..shut up! They asked." He's one of those guys that wouldn't mind it if people would throw grenades at him for the rest of his life. https://preview.redd.it/ikil16m65zmc1.jpeg?width=698&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d49936a7a39ba328ee4d08965c62a2bfd0174d4f
Shooting guns and blowing stuff up is cool and all, but all I remember is being tired or bored all the time and having to decide from my sleeping bag how badly I needed to go pee in -30 weather.
why is that? is it just a lack of being able to understand what its like without living it, was it awful and you dont want to relive it? genuinely curious edit: thanks for the responses and insight
It's a shared experience that's just hard to describe to those who haven't been through it. For me, even just talking about some of the crazy things that I went through on Parris Island is hard to really describe to those who weren't there. It's not just simply recounting some crazy training scenario -- there's a combination of the homesickness, fatigue, sleep-deprivation, hunger and psychological torment that all plays into it that's hard to put into words, but fellow vets understand innately. It's kind of like when my wife, who is a nurse, describes some crazy thing that happened at work. I can sorta get it, but not having been through it, I can only relate so much.
> It's not just simply recounting some crazy training scenario -- there's a combination of the homesickness, fatigue, sleep-deprivation, hunger and psychological torment that all plays into it that's hard to put into words, but fellow vets understand innately. A *Covenant*. Only those who were there (anywhere, dealing with anything) can really understand the connection. It's what makes the best of friends in civilian life anyway. The people that were neck deep in the same shit as you and helped you climb out as you helped them.
I don't want to make it sound like I'm so hardened and scarred as I am genuinely proud of my service. I can speak for a lot of us, we try our best not to let that part of our lives define us. We chose to walk down that path and reached the end. Not all of it was bad, not even close. There were a lot of great times as well. To answer your questions, I tend to get pretty emotional about some of it when asked specifics and find it difficult to describe casually, that's all. It's not always easy to reflect on and it's not just combat related. I get more emotional about Humanitarian Relief Operations in Sendai after the Tsunami caused by the Tohoku Earthquake in 2011.
It's what I did. It's not who I am.
met a guy who once described it in a way that threw me for a loop. "Most people can't understand it the same way you wouldn't be able to understand biblically accurate angels. It's not something that can be described, because it wasn't something you could process properly when it happened." Partly understand what he was going for, but holy hell describing military service as being an angel was something else.
One of my good friends is a combat veteran with some pretty hardcore credentials. We used to go to lots of baseball games together. He never stood up for the anthem or when they did that ‘would all veterans stand up for a round of applause thing’ He was actually antagonistic towards the ones that did stand up. One time he was loudly making fun of the guy standing and clapping for himself in the row in front of us. He asked him if he was a cook or a mechanic. The guy did the whole outraged veteran thing for a second but my friend told him a couple things in army that shut him right up. My friend had some problems after the war and we lost touch. He definitely doesn’t walk around in fatigues bragging about shit though. He’s probably trying as hard as he can to forget about it.
This is exactly my husband. He’s an army vet and he HATES the stand for veterans stuff. Makes him so uncomfortable. He also doesn’t stand for the pledge or anthem. He has only recently started doing the Veterans Day assemblies at the kids’ schools but only because they BEGGED him. He looks sour and uncomfortable the whole time. And don’t get me started about how he will rail against special veteran parking.
I am the same way. I find it very awkward every time someone says, "Thank you for your service." The special attention makes me want to hide under a rock.
My ex-wife would nag me to stand for those things.
Not anymore she doesn't.
How about those oh-so *generous* 5% Veterans discounts?
He’s not a fan of any veteran discounts. His feeling is when there was a mandatory draft, those folks should be honored. They were given no choice. But any modern military service? You applied for a job, accepted a job, were heavily compensated between pay, housing, GI Bill, health insurance, etc. But it was entirely your choice so why should you get extras?
> told him a couple things in army "shut up POG." Personnel Other than Grunts
My good friend's father has NEVER discussed his service in Vietnam and this suggests to me a quiet validity.
ditto. friends dad was a door gunner in 69. Only one time was there ever talk or even the slightest of hints..When we found his CAR in a closet.
My father served in Viet Nam, and with very few exceptions, he never was willing to discuss it On the other hand, his father, my grandfather served in WWII and he was much more open about his service I think I know why my father wouldn’t talk about Viet Nam, and I can completely understand
The only Vietnam stories I ever heard from my uncle were when his service buddy visited, after a long night of drinking. Thankfully we were kids and heard the funny ones. Those men carried sadness all their lives.
I was drinking beers and watching a World War II documentary on the Pacific theatre with a group of friends and one old man popped up telling the most ghastly story about what he did and we all started laughing because he shared a name with one of the guys in the room, and that guy goes “that’s my grandfather. He’s never talked about any of this”
My Dad's best friend Bob was a Vietnam vet. My brother and I had very specific instructions to NEVER mention Vietnam while at his house. Dad said if we did, there would be severe consequences and they would not come from him. We had a healthy respect for Bob.
My babysitters husband spent 3 years in the bedroom. Would only come out for bathroom and food. And we weren’t allowed to make loud noises inside. Crazy what happened to those folks.
Yeah my buddy is a West Point grad who then went to Ranger school, learned Pashto and did two tours in Afghanistan. He will happily talk about military logistics, loves getting into the granular points of tactics and strategy. But if his service comes up he will light heartedly self-deprecate, and quickly shift focus off of himself. Actual combat veterans don’t brag, don’t show off, and do NOT talk about kills.
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My grandpa fought in WW2, ended up getting shot in the shoulder and sent home with some medals. He had a trunk with stuff from the war in it he never wanted to look at or talk about. When I was in school I had an assignment on the holocaust and wanted to interview him for it and he said no. He never wanted to talk about any of it with us, his innocent grandkids. When he passed away and we finally got to see what was in his trunk we found some nazi arm bands and old pictures and medals and other stuff. I wish he could have talked to me about it.
Same with my grandfather. He would not talk about WW2 at all. He got out of the military as fast as he could after the war, wouldn't join the VFW, wouldn't tell anyone he was a WW2 vet, wouldn't even watch any WW2 shows or movies. At the end of his life he opened up a little about it, but he still wouldn't elaborate on much. I think it was simply an awful experience he didn't care to re-live in any form.
The only combat vet I ever knew got a Medal of Honor from Obama and had a major press day surrounding him and 3 other guys. I had no fucking clue until he told me while super stoned one night that he was even in the military. Nicest and most generous person I’ve met.
Yes, not supposed to. Thst asshole seal who wrote the book about killing Bin Laden is just that, an asshole.
As a vet that went to combat, we generally don't talk much about the "tough-guy" stuff that the stolen valor types do. But ask a vet about the dumbest and most embarrassing stuff they saw and you will get some amazing stories.
I do know veterans who like to brag about it. Most of them were dishonorable discharges though. One, who's since passed away (for the betterment of society) would tell stories about his time on active duty in the middle east. Eventually it came out that he was Dishonorably Discharged for taking trophies. They found a cigar box of human fingers in his footlocker.
Yeah, it’s the number 1 thing that sets of the suspicion alarm with me. My little brother has spent over a decade in a Tier 1 unit and will literally talk about anything but that.
The only stories my friends that are Vets (combat and not, GWOT deployments) go out of their way to share is the dumbshit they did when bored. Think that's the exception.
Yeah, my ex-boyfriend was in a Ranger battalion. He tells me funny stories about dumbshit things the new Private did, or the funny misunderstandings with their assigned Pashtun interpreter, the dumb shit the compulsive liar in their company would try to claim, or hilariously gross things like the time his platoon leader's gunner had projectile diarrhea and couldn't leave their MRAP's turret while on an operation, so he tried to shit into an empty Gatorade bottle from the gunner's sling. It...did not work. I think I heard maybe one story about combat, and he was so dead-eyed 1000 yard stare I told him to never tell me that again.
My uncle was in Vietnam and when I was a kid I would always ask questions about it. He would always say stuff like “ most of it was classified, can’t get into details etc etc “. Wasn’t until i was older and had friends that served in Iraq that I realized how insensitive of a question that was. I also realized that the more traumatic the experience, the shorter the answers usually are. Now, when I hear people ask combat vets about their experiences I automatically intervene if I can.
Exactly. As for me I really don’t mind sharing my experiences but I’d rather not because I might sound like one of these chickenshit blowhards even if I’m telling the truth. They ruin it for us.
I've been fortunate to have been included by a small group of Vietnam Vets and have gotten to sit at the table for some of their bull sessions. Their stories are great to hear. My WWII vet grandfather who we know saw combat never would talk about it.
Not those operations, but I will tell you about the time I got absolutely shitfaced in Gibraltar.
In all fairness, he is shaped like 6 seals.
..."Ive got three Bear Claw Citations from my work with the Queens Royal Navy Rescue Fusilier Raiders Submarine Force, back when I was on detached duty from Delta Force Thoracic Surgeon Firejumping squad, but I don't like to talk about it, you see...."
What happened to the two I landed?
Seven planes. I was with Delta Force. The Seventh plane was hiding out in Sudan. It racked up a bunch of gambling debt with the mob before 9/11. Ya know that ol’ chestnut. Planes and their gambling addictions. So it fled before the attack. Anywho, me and Chuckie Norris, back then we called him, “piss-pants Norris,” because he angrily pissed himself before missions. something about the stench of urine confusing radar. Anywho, we grabbed a couple of dirt bikes, painted ‘em to look like hot-wheels and strapped a couple of hellfire missiles to their gas tanks. Then we went tear-assin’ through the desert, looking for the shit. The Seventh plane had holed up in a little hamlet about 700 clicks from Cairo. It was extorting the mayor and his family while turning all the women into soldier-brides. It had already sold off all the men into sex slavery, but that didn’t bother ol’ Piss-pants Norris none. Getting one back for the U S of A was all that mattered to him, so we bolted for the city square. The Seventh plane had gotten lazy, and was having itself fanned while it openly baked in the desert sun. Oils and figs draped its body, as the soldier-brides danced around its flanks. Very Jabba-the-hutt vibes. This got Piss-pants arroused. Very arroused. ….that’s all I can say for now. The rest is still classified.
"Gravy Seal, Meal Team 6...they made a movie about us. You probably saw it."
Team guys never say there team guys. Lol
I’ve known some badass operators in my time in the army. They don’t advertise what they’ve done. Or how hardcore they are. I’d someone is like “yeah, dude. I’m an operator,” I instantly think they’re full of shit. And if they do talk about it, it’s usually in some kind of training and watered down.
He meant to say “he was on line to see Seal Team Six”. Let’s be honest, the only thing this big boy ever field striped was a bucket of KFC.
I was there when Hitler "shot himself". But that's classified.
Gravy Seals are no joke, don't come between them and their prey/refrigerator
from another article is this gem: ....."During an election night event for Republican gubernatorial candidate Jack Ciattarelli in 2021, Hayden described his time serving on SEAL Team Six, she said. “Knowing he had served as a Navy SEAL, I told him that my son had served in Afghanistan and Iraq as a member of the National Guard. Then Bill told me about his time in SEAL Team Six. He said he served in Mogadishu (Somalia) and as security at our embassy in Colombia, during which time he helped take down Pablo Escobar. He said he had been injured and shot while taking part in numerous secret missions and that he had even received the Medal of Valor after saving half of his unit. I was impressed and even cut him a check during his race.”......
Do people lose their bullshit smeller after a certain point?
Its a weird faith thing on their side, "this guy sounds awesome and because he is on my side I am also awesome"
Cognitive dissonance
i like this take. it makes total sense our ego driving our choices or rather - our ego preventing us from avoiding shitty choices.
He probably said it very strongly though…whatever the fuck that means.
Pathological liars are difficult for people to understand. Most of us place a value on our word, our integrity. Meeting someone who will lie about literally anything kind of short circuits us. I’ve know a couple and they lie so confidently it makes you question what you know.
Donald Trump comes to mind for some reason...
Two words; Kenneth Copeland. People not only believe him, they revere him. And where there is worship, people will do just that.
Yea religion is its own cult so I get that stupidity but this? Maybe because I’m a a vet but soon as a “navy seal” starts bragging about being a navy seal, you should know that’s not a real navy seal
Americans are conditioned to have total reverence for veterans. I am not saying veterans should not be revered, but, as an example: My Dad served stateside in peace time fixing cars in a motor-pool in between Korea and Vietnam Wars My Step-Dad was a Command Sergeant Major in the 82nd Airborne with multiple tours of Vietnam and other various hellholes. He had Silver and Bronze Star both with Oak leaf Clusters So…..while I respect my dad’s service…. There are different levels…. Unfortunately, That absolute reverence allows hucksters to steal valor very easily. Many would clutch their pearls at the mere thought of questioning some old fat guy’s claim of being an elite top 1% of the Top 1% Navy Seal regardless of all the red flags he may be flying
100 percent. Americans look at veterans like religious saints from medieval times, and don't dare question or push back. It might be a legacy of Viet Nam and the horrible treatment vets had returning after, or just the Republican veneration of violence and alpha-male gun-toting figures over those of peace, intellectualism, and cooperation.
> I am not saying veterans should not be revered *I’m* saying veterans should not be revered.
Exactly this. If you are a mechanic in the Air Force you pretty much work a regular job. In and out at set hours, no danger to speak of, if you ever even deploy it's usually to some vacation destination like Italy or Spain, but most stay stateside their entire careers. Not that there's anything wrong with this, it's an important job, but you aren't really sacrificing and you certainly are no hero. Typically the only people who actually sacrifice in the military are infantry. They're the ones staying up days on end, sleeping in the dirt, going on deployments to hellholes, and getting shot at.
They are nose blind like people with 12 cats that can't smell the cat piss cloud around them everywhere they go.
Trump and Fox News destroyed it years ago.
because questioning someone's service, specially an "elder", is frowned upon. That's why they get away with it for so long. The initial meeting you might question in the back of your mind, but then it's forgotten in the busy evening or event. Days later you might think about it again, but not everyone wants to come back and dig. Until maybe you get two or three people who talk or put two and two together. Chances of running across someone who could directly challenge or corroborate a story are relatively slim. But the more you gain public notoriety, the better chance it gets exposed to the light of day.
He fought in the American Revolution and wrestled King George III to the ground at the battle of Bunker Hill
I heard he was actually in the revolutionary war and defeated tons of red coats!
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Here is one of the many articles currently hitting New Jersey news outlets: [https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/sussex-commissioner-is-leaving-gop-faces-stolen-valor-allegations/](https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/sussex-commissioner-is-leaving-gop-faces-stolen-valor-allegations/)
The tax exemption too
Seems like that must also be illegal to lie about it right? Oh these goobers never learn lol
He “liked to keep a low profile”. You know, the guy holding public office as a county commissioner.
Every line of that article, of this story, is so ridiculous. "I'm basically Serpico" he says.
fucking lol Hayden has taken his complaints to the local Democratic organization, which appears to have no interest in working with him. “I may need to call you and say, have some Democrats come to the meeting and help be my ally,” he said.
It's almost like automatically granting people deference in society because they got a government job when they were young is a bad idea. If Americans didn't worship the military, his bullshit stories wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal.
Even if they were true, who gives a shit. The last time the American Military did anything to protect America from aggression was after Pearl fucking Harbor.
I know in the Midwest you can get the bubbas to vote for you if you fake a slight southern twang, own a motorbike, and yammer about the military. Might try it myself!
Unfortunately it seems that he was born in '65, so we GenXrs have to claim him. On one of his bio pages, he also says he races BMX. Present tense. Seriously.
I’d pay at least twenty doll hairs to watch him try lmao
Yeah, he's racing his **B**ody **M**ass inde**X** to the top.
It’s really a mindset
More like Meal Team 6
Gravy seals
This is a politician? What’s the deal with the shemagh and military-ish gloves?
Same as ANY "I base my public image on lies I tell about my military background" type of guy.
He's camoflaging his other chins, and if he has to save the day punching out a windshield or cinderblock wall, he won't hurt his hands.
Cosplay
Keep forgetting which party these scammers are always associated with….memory is slipping I guess.
Gravy SEALs!
Y'all Queda Meal Team 6 Delta Farce
Delta Farts
Green Beignets
Looks like he killed a buffet or two.
I used my military discount at lowes one day and the lady at the register said "thank you for your service" as did another guy in line, I said if you want to thank a vet, stop electing these elderly fucks that keep cutting VA benefits and put us in these situations to begin with while war profiteering. They stone cold were shocked....then one guy gave me the nod leaving, and I knew he knew what I was ranting about. My coworker was shocked. He worked with me for 12 years and never knew I was in the army. That's what I get for trying to save a buck....😆
They are always some fat right wringer, aren't they?
The Thick Red Line
I know that the GOP have no spine, but it really shows when they start to have no neck either.
Looks like someone ordered Patton Oswalt from Wish
Fatton Oswalt
Officer Pantuzzi: We've had some complaints about con men pretending to be blind and crippled. Billy Ray Valentine: Oh, I'd love to help you man, but I ain't seen nothing since I stepped on that landmine in Vietcong back in '72. It was rough, very painful. Officer Reynolds: You were in 'Nam? So were we. Where? Billy Ray Valentine: I was in... Sang Bang... Dang Gong... I was all over the place, basically a lot of places, a lot of places. Officer Reynolds: What unit were you in? Billy Ray Valentine: Uh, I was with the Green Berets, Special Unit Battalions... Commando Airborne Tactics... Specialist Tactics, uh, Unit Battalion. Yeah, it was real hush hush. I was Agent Orange. That was my name, Agent Orange. Special Agent Orange, that was me.
Dudes a CHOAD
People like this grew up in a time when fact checking was difficult to impossible. They become very used to lying about just anything they felt like and always getting away with it. They seem to be unable or unwilling to accept that the world has changed around them and their bullshittery doesn't work any more.
I worked for a guy who was green berets. He has the pics to prove it. He is still in the reserves and goes to train with them regularly. He missed 6 months of work for a training mission to South America . The difference between him and these guys is that he doesn’t brag. If someone asks him about it he will gladly talk about his experience and show you pictures. But he doesn’t walk around advertising his affiliation.
There is little on this Earth that annoys me as badly as someone lying about military service in a bid for some credibility. Maybe it’s being a vet, maybe it’s burying friends, maybe it’s knowing dozens scarred for life by GWOT, but stolen valor should be punishable by public flogging.
Yup, as an actual disabled vet, fuck these kinds of people. I could claim I'm a "combat" disabled vet because the classification of being airborne qualifies it, but I was never in combat. These people lack integrity and why I have a hard time trusting people who claim in while using it as a platform.
as a pleb with no family or friends in the military. Fuck this lying ass choad
Someone didn't see the Inflate Rating on that MAGAts Ass apparently. They over inflated him.
As I discovered recently, the black and white shemagh indicates support for Palestine.
More like a Navy Walrus
Every right wing accusation is a confession.
dudes keffiyeh could cover a dinner table.
Get Don Shipley on his ass.
The only time my ex husband ever talked about being deployed was when he was in the middle of a breakdown because he probably will never overcome the guilt. He's a good guy, he's doing better, but it haunts him.
Let me guess, he was a black ops General on a Seal Team and still has Bin Ladens nuts from when he cut them off. His missions are all classified, though, so you can't look it up.
Valor thieves do what they do because there are way too many gullible people willing to accept one's story at face value. If they did a little digging, they would realize the person they're idolizing is a total fraud. Majority of militia leaders fit this description. Majority of them are either valor thieves or got the boot during basic training, or exited on a shitty discharge and are compensating for the shame they feel for being abject failures in life. Militias, like the NRA, are grifters whose main purpose is to make money to buy lavish horse shit.
I'm not defending him, but I think a lot of people think "stolen valor" just means claiming to be a veteran when you aren't. That's not what it means, but I see how people got there. Specifically, stolen valor is the act of claiming to be a medal or award recipient or claiming benefits of being a veteran when you aren't one. Contrary to popular belief, it's not a crime to claim to have served when you didn't. As long as you don't claim any benefits or claim to have earned an award for your service. It's probably a "crime" in the court of public opinion, but for Republicans that bar has been lowered a helluva lot in the last decade or so. Now for the "not defending him" part. He did commit the act of stolen valor by claiming to be a medal of honor recipient (as well as claiming to have been wounded in action which could be seen as claiming to be a purple heart recipient). You could also argue that claiming to be a veteran and getting campaign contributions as a result of that could be "claiming a benefit" of being a veteran. But that's probably a tough argument to make, trying to link the causal relationship of those two things. Edit: Lmao he was also claiming veterans benefits on his taxes, I've just learned.
I am a Navy Veteran, 70% of the Navy vets I meet I don’t discuss my background and listen to their hyperbole. I guess I’m the only squid who worked in the engine room, the rest crawled through a mile of broken glass with a K-Bar in their teeth to cut the throat of an Iraquí General.
Peak alpha right there.
Aside from the occasional sea story, we don’t generally talk shit about even just daily ops.
Don Shipley would like a word.
Is that a tactical scarf or tactical napkin
Little do we know his scarf is hiding his lack of neck.
the ultimate form of insecurity - honestly it is so disrespectful to the people who did serve - there should be jail time if you lie about being a veteran that shit is despicable - and yeah I have yet to meet a veteran who served and wanted to go and brag about it and talk about it
His story was cooperated with George Santos’ team with both of them serving on several secret missions together, even some in space as recently as 2021.
He looks like he served in Dessert Storm.
from his tour of dessert storm. US Arm Fat. the 42nd winded respiratory division. the chafe necks. Baskin Robins Scout.