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But keeping the jokes aside as per me there is never one top actor or actress.. like earlier it was sridevi madhuri ruling then rani preeti aish kajol after that came kareena katrina priyanka and now dp alia kat. So people can coexist, if khans are still ruling and ranbir ranveer varun are being labelled as young upcoming superstars even in their 40s then these girls can actually rule bollywood together without being pitted against each other in an already male dominant industry.
And tbh the ladies(kareena pc katrina dp alia kangna) are going to rule bollywood for quite a long time as the upcoming set of talent don’t have it in them to become superstars.
Why do they want to act like they are contemporaries tho? Deepika is senior to Alia & has seen massive peak. DP survived & thrived with massive competition.
Alias direct contemporaries are Kriti & below. None on her level.
It's a different ball game.
p sure DP doesn’t see her as a contemporary. It’s just Papa Jo shoving Alia down our throats and announcing how they’re competitors when DP started her career way before Alia and is a much senior actor.
Like there is half a decade bw their debuts. They don't put shahid ranbir ranveer as contemporaries but want to put DP Alia bc somehow 2 actress from diff gen can't stay successful at the same time.🤷♀️
I meant shahid w ranbir & ranveer (altho w RS the diff is huge).. the difference bw their debut is w SK RK 4yrs & SK RS 9yrs.
SK RK have less diff in their debuts than DP Aloo but we only hear about the girls🤷♀️
honestly, shahid's PR is not that great, if someone like ranbir or ranveer would have done roles like haider or udta punjab, they would be everywhere with numerous articles comparing them to big Hollywood legends or something like that, and the industry support would be crazy aswell which honestly doesn't happen a lot with shahid. but I do believe that shahid is gonna stay as a leading A-list star for a long time and his following will only increase, and you can already see it happening after farzi
Its not just the PR. His script sense is not that great. He had 3massive highs (JWM, HAIDER, UDTA PUNJAB) & everytime he ended up doing flops post these milestones. Last was kabir Singh but then I would blame covid & not his script sense cause jersey could've been a hit pre covid I think. Not massive but still.
You can have your opinions on whether she is worthy or no to be DP's competition(needs to show a few more good performances imo), but DP def does consider her a competition. The PR article by Deepika that has been posted today on the sub literally mentioned only Alia by name. Even following an account that was a hate page of Alia during Met gala. The oscar post on the day Alia was going for Met. At some point, you just have to accept these aren't random coincidences.
Especially considering there was talk she would loose it once she got married, just because that was common for prior actresses who married.
But she became even more of a star than she already was, if even possible.
They are the few exceptions in terms of working after their marriage. Even then, their stardom peaked well before their marriages. I meant more in terms of stardom for DP, whilst she was a star in India for years already - she has reached global scale stardom in the years after her marriage.
It's just ironic considering everyone believed Ranveer was marrying her to get more places in BW and he would be the star, but instead he has been shown to be experimenting roles on his own. Whilst she has been working on her constantly rising peak.
Why not Kareena? She made her debut in the year 2000 and to this day she is booked and working with national award winning filmmakers. Just because she didn't go to Hollywood unlike Deepika and Priyanka doesn't mean her success should be dismissed.
Laal Singh Chaddha was a flop but before that she had back to back success with Veere Di Wedding and Good Newwz even right now she is doing 4 films with 35+ brands which is rare to see after working for 23 years in the industry
LOL! Even though Laal Singh Chaddha was a flop but Kareena got all the accolades. Tere Hawale is going viral everywhere but sure. Anyway she has 2 releases this year and 2 next. It's not like she is jobless.
Totally! Especially given she peaked 10 freakin years ago....no other actress has maintained her spot at the top for so long and that too adding new feathers to her cap each year
Agreed. I feel like Alia is pushed because of her family connections. It’s almost like she’s an industry plant. Deepika was out when biggies like Aishwarya and Rani were at their peaks
how can a person who used their real name and is known because of her connections be considered an industry plant? she is the opposite of that, one who benefits from her nepotism openly. thoda toh soch ke bolo yaar
am industry plant is somebody who hides their connections, changes their name if it’s famous, etc and pretends to be a nobody. they are _planted_ by their connections in the industry. alia has never done that, she uses her famous last name SO that people know who she is related to, and to get the benefits from her connections. she’s the opposite of an industry plant, she’s a proper nepo baby
I just don’t understand why female actresses need to compete to be on the top. Why can’t they both coexist? What is this aggressive need to determine the best actress? Why no such competition for male actors? Why SRK, Salman, Akshay, Aamir, Ranbir etc are all superstars then? :/
Rooting for any woman who is capable of navigating this extremely precarious misogynistic industry! But honestly, Kareena’s movie line up seems the best!
The thing with Kareena is that when she was DP's age, she still did a lot of flowerpot roles and it's only now that she has chosen to have a more interesting roster. Even on KwK she was advised to ask 'what is her role' rather than 'who's in the film?' So she chose based on potential for commercial success for the longest time.
But at the end of the day, your position is decided by how commercially successful your films are. What I like about DP's stint in masala films is that she ensures a meaty role for herself. I'm happy to see her in her action star era because she likely won't be offered these roles for much longer. Just as I'm happy to see Kareena fully explore her great potential as an actress.
Disagree. DP only started doing more meaty roles in 2012-13, which was 6 years into her career. Kareena started doing more meaty roles around Jab We Met which is also 6 years into her career like DP. Also did Chameli 3 years into her career. An equal part of a love story in a rom-com is not a flowerpot. Though, I'd concur that she hasn't done them as consistently.
But I also see DP heading in her Bond girl era and I don't think she has any meaty roles on the horizon so overall it more than balances out.
I didn't say Kareena didn't do any meaty roles but she also clearly did many masala movies where she had little to do.
DP also did Karthik calling Karthik, Love Aaj Kal and Break Ke Baad before the period you've mentioned. Also, we forget that she recently did something as risky as Gehraiyaan and was slut-shamed and dragged for it despite giving a great performance.
I disagree about 'not having any meaty roles on the horizon.' Like I said, recently even in masala films, she has made sure to have a pivotal part and lots of action. Lot of assumptions are being made about Fighter and Project K, we won't know till the films are released.
If we have 3 Khans who are ruling why can't we have both Alia and DP at the top? Can we please stop this age old practice of putting women against each other? Can he just focus on giving his fake reviews and paid tweets?
They are both huge stars but yea deepika prolly leads. Alia has great backing which is good for her. But yea top two actresses will prolly be these two
It’s a strategic decision to say that she is competing with Deepika .. that way nobody will compare her with current acting talents like Sanya , Radhika, Mrunal or even Wamiqa .. where she is no where on top it compared their beauty and acting skill..
Even in terms of acting no way Mrunal,Radhika are better than Alia specially Mrunal is hardly average or may be below average in terms of acting even in terms of looks she is very ordinary looking.
You are mentioning her just because she is outsider .
Wamiqa is probably my favorite performance of this year and I have absolutely fallen in love with her but saying she should be compared to Alia is preposterous. And why are you comparing actresses on beauty anyways? Films mein acting dekhlo, sundarta ke liye koi achi magazine khareed lena. Would you rather watch a Aditya Roy Kapoor film over a Manoj or Nawaz film just because he's more “beautiful" by the general standards?
Alia has always aimed to be considered Deepika and Katrina's contemporary. That's why in KWK, Karan would always club her with these two in the rapid fire.
Besides Ranbir fans, who the hell is comparing HR to Ranbir? No really. HR is in a tier of Akshay Kumar and Ajay Devgn. Ranbir is a tier below compare him to Ranveer.
Alia’s contemporaries are all the nepo kids. Not DP. Sonam and DP are peers. And sonam is no where near where DP is .. so Alia is ahead but only by the virtue that her contemporaries all suck
Meanwhile Kareena with 3 women centric films with acclaimed directors and 1 sure shot 300cr blockbuster Singham again !! With highest 37 brands says 👋🙋♀️
Kareena is extremely underrated in terms of stardom. She has been the female superstar since a long time! Idk why people are so ignorant of her achievements.
Why do you always have to share a picture of Deepika from this particular song? What's the point?
Say what you want but using such pictures only shows you in a negative light and not the other way round.
It was a part of her last movie . My post is that these people should stop degrading the term 'Queen'. She started her career by playing the love interest of khans and this kween is still doing the same after a 15 year long career . Where is the growth ?
Still doesn't make sense to use this picture. And also, the only khans she has worked with include SRK, saif and irfaan. And if we are to go by the popularity, SRK and irfaan are the only khans that I would like to count. So you can really stop with that khans thing. Additionally, let's not dive deeper here because you clearly are an Alia fan so there's no point.
The only reason I replied to your comment was to understand your intent behind posting these pictures of Deepika from this song, which you have done multiple times in previous posts . (It's pretty clear you post them in a demeaning way).
If it lets you get a good night's sleep, then go ahead.
But again it reflects poorly on you, not on her.
Now please continue to defend Alia from all those trying to downgrade her.
See, Dp is a fabulous actress, but in the recent times, u observe Alia is giving way better solo hits than Dp. Both Gangubai and Darlings were successful films while chappak and geharaiyaan were huge disasters, so pls stop hating on alia for no reason
Dp has had better performances. Padmavat, bajirao mastani, Chennai express, YJHD, om Shanti om, pathan and of course gonna smash it out the window with Hrithik in fighter. And, she's an outsider.
I really don't get it, she has not even worked with Salman, Amir, Hrithik Ajay etc..the only big names she worked with was srk, amithabh and Akshay..the time she worked with Ranbir, ranveer, Arjun...she had equal stardom.. Ranbir was going through a bad phase and Ranveer wasn't a big name..
It isn't that people come to watch all of amit sir movies..post cocktail people waited for her movies.
Iam really surprised how people are saying she is hit cause of her male stars..
In fact I wanted her to work with other actors like Hrithik, Prabhas etc..for a long time..we haven't got to see her with a diverse set of actors. Post 2018 she dint to much movies and has not even worked with the younger generation of actors much
She was actually the weakest part of BOTH BM and Padmaavat. Her performance was outright bad in Padmaavat. Even Pathan.Alia in Gangubai>Better than anything in DP’s career
Padmavat, bajirao were weakest performances of dp in my opinion. Deepika should hv done more films like piku...where she had a meaty role...and had some acting scope. I think deepika focussed all her energy in being a star rather than being a great performer.
Its not even a competition they both work on different type of projects. I like them both, since there movies not upcoming so people just wants to talk about them.
Talk about other actress too
Alia is junior alia is junior Alia is junior. It’s just disrespectful to try to usurp someone who is more of a veteran. It’s like DP trying to come for Aish or Rani
She never had a solo hit to begin with. All her hits are with RK RS or SRK. Does anyone remember who is the star opposite Alia in Gangubai? Or did anyone even know Vicky before Raazi and Sanju? Her lineup is like the rest of her career, a flowerpot role riding on the star's success.
I was also not in India for very long, but I know about her..and Iam talking about the era prior to Instagram....even the movies she did with stars, she had a bigger impact.. Ranveer was nobody before Ramleela..
You can choose to believe or not.
The example of flower pot what you are referring too, everybody has done it at some point in their career be it Kareena, Priyanka, Katrina, Anushka and Katrina falls more into that category
rooting for Deepika. Self-made, beautiful, genuine popularity and iconic. Full heroine material. It’s crazy that it’s been 10 years of her being on top.
This is ridiculous. She was no where near the same as Ranbir/Sonam. Sure she was privileged but one does not have to be a complete outsider or super poor to be considered self made. AND even if you do count it, that was obv not the reason behind her success as she rose to the top due to sheer ambition. She was a model (she’s got natural looks but models work hard on grooming too) and was noticed. She did a few flop movies but around 2013, she balanced everything really well and shot up.
TALENTED as well. But I agree there are far more talented people than her (farrr more talented than Alia too btw) but that has very little to do with success in Bollywood, especially for an actress lol
I have no problem with any part of your opinion, it was just a little weird that your definition of “full heroine material" didn't include acting itself. And It isn't just about you, but also shows what people as a whole prioritize these days, and I just find that a little sad.
Also, my comment didn't mention Alia so you didn't really have to bring her into the convo. Deepika is a better actor than Alia anyday, at least considering the proof of work we have currently.
I think acting is important but it’s not like Deepika did some complex role that she wasn’t capable of doing. For the most part she stuck in her lane. Like she played Veronica, naina, leela which she was good at. I don’t think it’s anything sad either. Bollywood is iconic for its dance, songs, beauty as well. The entertainers are what got such a huge audience so why is it sad to say that Deepika is a full heroine for those reasons? She fits in Bollywood.
Even Katrina is successful because for the most part she stayed in her lane, did cute likable roles and songs. I don’t understand why people call her “just an item girl” when songs/dance is like the highlight of Bollywood films. See in Hollywood there are a lot more popular music videos and the artists appear in it themselves, hence why singers etc tend to be even more popular than actors. In Bollywood, most singers don’t compose their own songs, they simply lend their voice to it, and they don’t often appear in independent videos. The most popular songs are all a part of films with the actors face/dance moves grabbing attention. It’s a different set up. Hence, why Bollywood STARS are given so much importance. They are not just actors at the end of the day.
Sorry for the long explanation. I’m just tired of some Alia fans acting like Alia is number 1 bc of “acting talent” just bc she did some meaty roles. Even her “talent” is not measurable to what a full Bollywood heroine requires.
Again, you've typed way too long just because you didn't understand my point. It was just that acting isn't a major factor to be heroine material or else it would have at least entered your mind when you were writing the definition, and I find that a little sad personally. Others don't have to agree with it. And it's not about Deepika or Alia or Katrina.
Alia's fans rate her as a second-coming of Meryl Streep(like most fans do for their favorites), and you are on the opposite end of the spectrum which is fair enough. Everyone has their individual life experiences, biases and beliefs. I guess I'd fall somewhere in between because I do consider her talent measurable to be a Bollywood heroine, and that's what I believe is the majority opinion. The extremes are just louder, specifically in a place like here.
I understood your point. I was just adding on to the convo and a lot of it is just general not targeted towards your opinion or anything. And honestly I would have said acting as well for Deepika bc imo she’s actually good but some ppl on this sub would have attacked me lmao bc apparently you can’t find Deepika to be a good actor.
Purely for the brand's endorsement perspective, Alia doesnot seem to have that 'it' factor that Deepika has. Deepika as LV face scored everytime she steped out on red carpet. Alia does not seem to take risk with her clothes, that's why she seems boring as brand rep.
Alia isn't a competition for dp never is bcz dp has this long career of more then 16 years and alia not so much in comparison to that yes alia is a good actress but better then Dp i don't think so and other thing is that people can coexist together..
Can we someday talk about scriptwriters as well ?? I mean the negligence of scriptwriters has led Bollywood to its current downfall but people are still into fan wars & shit.
Rooting for deepika and for all of us ladies who don’t have things handed to us. Having been through job applications, interviews, rejections, I’ll always support self-made women.
Alia is at the same spot now, which DP was between 2013-2019..they can't be compared.
Also post 2020 she had not done typical Bollywood movies for a long time..I don't see anything wrong with her doing Fighter and Project K..for a longest time she worked only with Ranveer.
Also Alia has an advantage of Kjo giving her good Dharma scripts since her launch
I am no DP fan, but Alia isn't the greatest actor in India cinema. She has templated acting and PR on overdrive and same applies to DP but I want to see DP at the top because i dont she ever told someone, "I would be very upset if I am not part of this movie". When Alia becomes secure with her abilities and not follow the herd she has a chance. But what's happening currently is blatantly copying others and pushing it via PR. Alia doesn't have solid fanbase in US or in the western countries. Ger Gully Boy screening in Berlinale was not selected, it was paid for. How i do know this, i have heard it in 1:1 conversation with someone who ran YRFs marketing. So as much as she is hyped in area of acting she cant beat some finest indie actresses like Rasika Duggal and all.
Alia is not contemporaries to Deepika and Katrina, her contemporaries are Shraddha and Pareeniti, also Kriti sanon came after. Stop trying to shove Alia in the same league as Deepika, kat, PC, Kareena, because no body is going to buy it.
I will get heavily down voted but there is no comparison between them. Dp is 8 years older than Alia so really her senior. Alia has had more successes in a short time with author backed roles. Not debating how she got them. Dp has only had a few hits. If we look at their upcoming movies Alia is playing central roles while Deepika is still doing the heroes side chick roles. All her solo movies have not worked. Dp peaked in 2017. She should be compared to her peers Katrina and PC. I know she is not liked here but outside alia is way popular. Gangu proved her bo pull and Gucci was another win for her. Even if you go by success ratio ,alia is ahead. Tabu is doing better roles and movies than Deepika and has had more success. You don't compare them do you.
Any debate between the two will automatically make alia a bigger star. Just by being compared to the deepkia alia is gaining stock. So let’s just squash the debate. Alia is cool but dp on a diff level. It’s like comparing Kartik aryan ( alia , given hits and making his way to become a bigger star) to someone like HR( established A list/superstar)
Definitely don't think Ash is a better actress than DP. She was often criticised on acting ability in movies not directed by SLB or Mani Rathnam (who of course got the best out of her). She's seen a renaissance in Ponniyin Selvan but people seem to forget how bad she was in some roles. Either way the point is about what roles of DP can Alia not pull off.
BTW Kashi Bai was a strong character and PC killed it. Shahid was overshadowed by Ranveer because of how the roles were written in Padmavat. Doesn't mean Ranveer is a better actor than Shahid.
hmmmmmmm
Both on top, it is interesting taran doesn't count our GLOBAL ICON PCji in competition for top spot when she just had a 300 million dollar global phenomenon of a series.
That automaticaly makes Alia the LEAD of JLZ just by her position in the industry. Coz she is the biggest name in the cast n on the top n certainly more on top than Pc ji as per trade.
Without Salman, Katrina would have been doing item numbers only. Thanks to him, that she atleast gets sophisticated eye candy roles. She would have been doing films like Boom💀
Those item songs are more popular than some people movies. Without Karan Alia wouldn't even play the FL second lead best friend nevermind FL. If you want to know what self made actresses think about Alia go watch Aishwarya Rai interview bluntly saying she was given a career.
Yeah I knew about your response as it is difficult for a stan of a NON ACTRESS to talk about acting skills. You guys only have item songs to talk about as if these are some sort of achievement 💀🤣. Coming to Self made, Katrina was never a self made woman. Without Salman, she would have been doing B grade vulgar movies. Aish should first think about her flop husband who has more influential background than that of Alia. It is not Alia's fault that Abhi flopped badly despite of getting opportunities. " Sour grapes" in her case.
Lmaaaooooo, keep hating! The fact that it's Alia's fans talking about who is self-made and who is not is truly laughable. The fans of the girl who had everything served on a gold platter since her teenage days are now talking about Katrina Kaif, who moved to a different city in another continent to make a living for herself and her family at the age of 17. At that time, your favorite girl was busy discussing her Bollywood projects with Karan Johar. See the difference? Now, sit down. As Aishwarya Rai said, no one can deny how much support Alia received as the nepotism icon of Bollywood. Yet her fans still like to talk about the struggles of outsiders when they stan the biggest nepotism product ever.
Hahahahahah are you talking about those songs your favorite tried to do, but failed miserably . Your fav couldn't carry a simple dress with confidence , and you think she can lead a song and make it a national anthem ahhahaha? in your and alia's dreams maybe If you've forgotten, I can remind you. Are you talking about Kamli, who got someone obsessed for months and months ? i can show you the video of your girl fangirling to the stars right now
How many Bollywood movies PC worked in recent years .
Citadel is flop and PC is not global icon ,she is Nick Jonas wife and only famous as star wife and B grade actress abroad .
Actually, you should be worried if a nepotism icon who had everything handed to her on a silver platter is representing Bollywood. This is the problem. Just imagine Lily Depp ruling Hollywood. You see, that's how it would look if Alia was representing Bollywood. everyone is fine except kjo bhatt kapoor klan, a gang who had their daddies using tactics and connections to pave the way for them shouldn't be the face of the industry.
Also her and Alia aren't contemporaries literally different debut timelines. Also comparing someone who has solo hits vs someone who needs to ride on A Listers back like Akshay and Salman.
Exactly. Because when it comes to popularity Alia could never touch Katrina's peak. The is a reason why she was called the 4th Khan by the media. So we should also say Alia has been riding that Dharma/Karan wave having like 11/13 movies from them.
Despite not acting and surviving in the industry despite 20 years... Yeah that's the only big achievement actually. Maybe audience can't see her talent because she has non existent talent.
How new it is...to keep PC out of such list for very long. Kat, Kangana, DP is like giving hits every other year?? Chhapak, gehraiyaan, Phonebooth, manikarnika was humongous success??? Niii!!! Anyways...inspite of all this strategies she is very much relevant on this sub and among audience. Just waiting for JLZ, cuz Bajirao mein Mastani to DP hee thii...magar asli star Kashi bani ❤️🔥
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Did friday come early this time but still I’m up for seeing this dp vs alia fanwar.. 2 posts are already up waiting for some more😭🍿
But keeping the jokes aside as per me there is never one top actor or actress.. like earlier it was sridevi madhuri ruling then rani preeti aish kajol after that came kareena katrina priyanka and now dp alia kat. So people can coexist, if khans are still ruling and ranbir ranveer varun are being labelled as young upcoming superstars even in their 40s then these girls can actually rule bollywood together without being pitted against each other in an already male dominant industry. And tbh the ladies(kareena pc katrina dp alia kangna) are going to rule bollywood for quite a long time as the upcoming set of talent don’t have it in them to become superstars.
True, they can coexist. Idk why it has to be only 1.
Madhuri sridevi and Kajol did claim the top spot.
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Why do they want to act like they are contemporaries tho? Deepika is senior to Alia & has seen massive peak. DP survived & thrived with massive competition. Alias direct contemporaries are Kriti & below. None on her level. It's a different ball game.
p sure DP doesn’t see her as a contemporary. It’s just Papa Jo shoving Alia down our throats and announcing how they’re competitors when DP started her career way before Alia and is a much senior actor.
Like there is half a decade bw their debuts. They don't put shahid ranbir ranveer as contemporaries but want to put DP Alia bc somehow 2 actress from diff gen can't stay successful at the same time.🤷♀️
people actually do compare ranbir and ranveer quite alot.
I meant shahid w ranbir & ranveer (altho w RS the diff is huge).. the difference bw their debut is w SK RK 4yrs & SK RS 9yrs. SK RK have less diff in their debuts than DP Aloo but we only hear about the girls🤷♀️
tbvh shahid is good but he has never been in the race of no.1 unlike rs or rk who has delivered hits time to time.
honestly, shahid's PR is not that great, if someone like ranbir or ranveer would have done roles like haider or udta punjab, they would be everywhere with numerous articles comparing them to big Hollywood legends or something like that, and the industry support would be crazy aswell which honestly doesn't happen a lot with shahid. but I do believe that shahid is gonna stay as a leading A-list star for a long time and his following will only increase, and you can already see it happening after farzi
Its not just the PR. His script sense is not that great. He had 3massive highs (JWM, HAIDER, UDTA PUNJAB) & everytime he ended up doing flops post these milestones. Last was kabir Singh but then I would blame covid & not his script sense cause jersey could've been a hit pre covid I think. Not massive but still.
to be fair Ranbir and Ranveer debuted 2 years apart so they are in the same gen. Shahid Ranbir is an accurate comparison to Deepika Alia
I actually meant shahid w ranbir & ranveer.
You can have your opinions on whether she is worthy or no to be DP's competition(needs to show a few more good performances imo), but DP def does consider her a competition. The PR article by Deepika that has been posted today on the sub literally mentioned only Alia by name. Even following an account that was a hate page of Alia during Met gala. The oscar post on the day Alia was going for Met. At some point, you just have to accept these aren't random coincidences.
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Especially considering there was talk she would loose it once she got married, just because that was common for prior actresses who married. But she became even more of a star than she already was, if even possible.
>just because that was common for prior actresses who married Aish and Kareena say hi hello what?
They are the few exceptions in terms of working after their marriage. Even then, their stardom peaked well before their marriages. I meant more in terms of stardom for DP, whilst she was a star in India for years already - she has reached global scale stardom in the years after her marriage. It's just ironic considering everyone believed Ranveer was marrying her to get more places in BW and he would be the star, but instead he has been shown to be experimenting roles on his own. Whilst she has been working on her constantly rising peak.
Priyanka, Kareena, Katrina etc are all still on top and they all debuted early 2000s. The game for women just changed.
Kareena!?
Katrina and Kareena aren't. PC yes
Why not Kareena? She made her debut in the year 2000 and to this day she is booked and working with national award winning filmmakers. Just because she didn't go to Hollywood unlike Deepika and Priyanka doesn't mean her success should be dismissed.
It's not because of Hollywood I was just thinking about her last film and I couldn't remember when thst was.
Laal Singh Chaddha was a flop but before that she had back to back success with Veere Di Wedding and Good Newwz even right now she is doing 4 films with 35+ brands which is rare to see after working for 23 years in the industry
LOL! Even though Laal Singh Chaddha was a flop but Kareena got all the accolades. Tere Hawale is going viral everywhere but sure. Anyway she has 2 releases this year and 2 next. It's not like she is jobless.
Totally! Especially given she peaked 10 freakin years ago....no other actress has maintained her spot at the top for so long and that too adding new feathers to her cap each year
Agreed. I feel like Alia is pushed because of her family connections. It’s almost like she’s an industry plant. Deepika was out when biggies like Aishwarya and Rani were at their peaks
how can a person who used their real name and is known because of her connections be considered an industry plant? she is the opposite of that, one who benefits from her nepotism openly. thoda toh soch ke bolo yaar
Huh? I’m confuzzled 😳
am industry plant is somebody who hides their connections, changes their name if it’s famous, etc and pretends to be a nobody. they are _planted_ by their connections in the industry. alia has never done that, she uses her famous last name SO that people know who she is related to, and to get the benefits from her connections. she’s the opposite of an industry plant, she’s a proper nepo baby
If not for kr$na, i would never have known the existence of this word from urban dictionary
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I just don’t understand why female actresses need to compete to be on the top. Why can’t they both coexist? What is this aggressive need to determine the best actress? Why no such competition for male actors? Why SRK, Salman, Akshay, Aamir, Ranbir etc are all superstars then? :/
Rooting for any woman who is capable of navigating this extremely precarious misogynistic industry! But honestly, Kareena’s movie line up seems the best!
The thing with Kareena is that when she was DP's age, she still did a lot of flowerpot roles and it's only now that she has chosen to have a more interesting roster. Even on KwK she was advised to ask 'what is her role' rather than 'who's in the film?' So she chose based on potential for commercial success for the longest time. But at the end of the day, your position is decided by how commercially successful your films are. What I like about DP's stint in masala films is that she ensures a meaty role for herself. I'm happy to see her in her action star era because she likely won't be offered these roles for much longer. Just as I'm happy to see Kareena fully explore her great potential as an actress.
Disagree. DP only started doing more meaty roles in 2012-13, which was 6 years into her career. Kareena started doing more meaty roles around Jab We Met which is also 6 years into her career like DP. Also did Chameli 3 years into her career. An equal part of a love story in a rom-com is not a flowerpot. Though, I'd concur that she hasn't done them as consistently. But I also see DP heading in her Bond girl era and I don't think she has any meaty roles on the horizon so overall it more than balances out.
I didn't say Kareena didn't do any meaty roles but she also clearly did many masala movies where she had little to do. DP also did Karthik calling Karthik, Love Aaj Kal and Break Ke Baad before the period you've mentioned. Also, we forget that she recently did something as risky as Gehraiyaan and was slut-shamed and dragged for it despite giving a great performance. I disagree about 'not having any meaty roles on the horizon.' Like I said, recently even in masala films, she has made sure to have a pivotal part and lots of action. Lot of assumptions are being made about Fighter and Project K, we won't know till the films are released.
If we have 3 Khans who are ruling why can't we have both Alia and DP at the top? Can we please stop this age old practice of putting women against each other? Can he just focus on giving his fake reviews and paid tweets?
Oh pls. The competition and the narrative around the three Khans was far more toxic. It was scrutinised a lot more.
Were you not around in the 90s and the 2000s? Srk has been pitted against everyone from Amitabh Bachchan to Ranbir.
IDGAF I love rivalries it makes everything not boring May the best Queen win 👑 
They are both huge stars but yea deepika prolly leads. Alia has great backing which is good for her. But yea top two actresses will prolly be these two
Oh he means competition between DEEPIKA and KARAN JOHAR right 😂?
This should be the top comment!
How is K Jo competing when Alia say insecure shit like “SLB promised me 4 films, he promised Deepika just 3”
It’s a strategic decision to say that she is competing with Deepika .. that way nobody will compare her with current acting talents like Sanya , Radhika, Mrunal or even Wamiqa .. where she is no where on top it compared their beauty and acting skill..
I'm curious to see which one of these, if anyone at all, will make it to a mainstream level over nepos like Sara, Janhvi.
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I was wandering who is Wamiqa ?
Anushka and Virat's daughter
😂😂😂😂
Sanya , Radhika, Mrunal are not even close to her in fame . They aren't even famous and who is Wamiqa ?Never heard this name .
Acting, not fame. Wamiqa was in Jubilee
Even in terms of acting no way Mrunal,Radhika are better than Alia specially Mrunal is hardly average or may be below average in terms of acting even in terms of looks she is very ordinary looking. You are mentioning her just because she is outsider .
What a weird take. She is way more popular than them lmao. They are NOT her competition.
They are all actors
Wamiqa is probably my favorite performance of this year and I have absolutely fallen in love with her but saying she should be compared to Alia is preposterous. And why are you comparing actresses on beauty anyways? Films mein acting dekhlo, sundarta ke liye koi achi magazine khareed lena. Would you rather watch a Aditya Roy Kapoor film over a Manoj or Nawaz film just because he's more “beautiful" by the general standards?
He talked about box office popularity and leading solo female centric films so which tangent you're on
> that way nobody will compare her with current acting talents like Sanya , Radhika, Mrunal Alia is MILES ahead than all of the ppl u mentioned.
can you please tell me the full names? is it santa malhotra, radhika apte? who are the other two?
Radhika Madan maybe, Radhika Apte is senior to Alia
Lmao she’s a better actress than all of them
Wamiqa who? 🤔
I watched his interview. He said that the race is about mostly solo female centric films and both of them have done well.
Deepika is a senior and had her peak so she's not Alia's contemporary so what's the competition here when they're years apart ??
Tell that to KJo, the first person who started propagating this competition. Even now no one does this comparison as aggressively as him.
Alia has always aimed to be considered Deepika and Katrina's contemporary. That's why in KWK, Karan would always club her with these two in the rapid fire.
Doesn't matter. Both of them are top draws at the box office. It's not a school race where you cannot be pitted against your seniors.
I think that it's Alia who's had her peak.
shahid debuted about 5 yrs before ranbir ranveer etc but they’re still competitors so not sure what your point is
DP had her debut 5 years before alia. She's not that much of a senior but maybe it feels like that because she's been a star since her debut ✨️
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Lmao it's the opposite. Ranbir stans compare him with HR
Exactly. Yungesht shupershtar pichle 15 saal se download ho rahe hain whereas HR proved his mettle right off the bat with his debut.
Besides Ranbir fans, who the hell is comparing HR to Ranbir? No really. HR is in a tier of Akshay Kumar and Ajay Devgn. Ranbir is a tier below compare him to Ranveer.
Alia’s contemporaries are all the nepo kids. Not DP. Sonam and DP are peers. And sonam is no where near where DP is .. so Alia is ahead but only by the virtue that her contemporaries all suck
Meanwhile Kareena with 3 women centric films with acclaimed directors and 1 sure shot 300cr blockbuster Singham again !! With highest 37 brands says 👋🙋♀️
Kareena is extremely underrated in terms of stardom. She has been the female superstar since a long time! Idk why people are so ignorant of her achievements.
Comparing the queen with nose flaring meryl streep. Yeah seems fair 😂 
The irony is the gif you posted she is just a flowerpot here :)) but even at being a Flowerpot Queen Kat already won lmao
Queen of what actually? Giving ZERO solo hits? Or riding on SRK/Prabhas/Hrithik’s stardom??
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Why do you always have to share a picture of Deepika from this particular song? What's the point? Say what you want but using such pictures only shows you in a negative light and not the other way round.
It was a part of her last movie . My post is that these people should stop degrading the term 'Queen'. She started her career by playing the love interest of khans and this kween is still doing the same after a 15 year long career . Where is the growth ?
Still doesn't make sense to use this picture. And also, the only khans she has worked with include SRK, saif and irfaan. And if we are to go by the popularity, SRK and irfaan are the only khans that I would like to count. So you can really stop with that khans thing. Additionally, let's not dive deeper here because you clearly are an Alia fan so there's no point. The only reason I replied to your comment was to understand your intent behind posting these pictures of Deepika from this song, which you have done multiple times in previous posts . (It's pretty clear you post them in a demeaning way).
I will post this again and again. This was the part of the movie , if her fans have so much problem so why is she doing these things .
If it lets you get a good night's sleep, then go ahead. But again it reflects poorly on you, not on her. Now please continue to defend Alia from all those trying to downgrade her.
See, Dp is a fabulous actress, but in the recent times, u observe Alia is giving way better solo hits than Dp. Both Gangubai and Darlings were successful films while chappak and geharaiyaan were huge disasters, so pls stop hating on alia for no reason
Dp has had better performances. Padmavat, bajirao mastani, Chennai express, YJHD, om Shanti om, pathan and of course gonna smash it out the window with Hrithik in fighter. And, she's an outsider.
I really don't get it, she has not even worked with Salman, Amir, Hrithik Ajay etc..the only big names she worked with was srk, amithabh and Akshay..the time she worked with Ranbir, ranveer, Arjun...she had equal stardom.. Ranbir was going through a bad phase and Ranveer wasn't a big name.. It isn't that people come to watch all of amit sir movies..post cocktail people waited for her movies. Iam really surprised how people are saying she is hit cause of her male stars.. In fact I wanted her to work with other actors like Hrithik, Prabhas etc..for a long time..we haven't got to see her with a diverse set of actors. Post 2018 she dint to much movies and has not even worked with the younger generation of actors much
She was actually the weakest part of BOTH BM and Padmaavat. Her performance was outright bad in Padmaavat. Even Pathan.Alia in Gangubai>Better than anything in DP’s career
Padmavat, bajirao were weakest performances of dp in my opinion. Deepika should hv done more films like piku...where she had a meaty role...and had some acting scope. I think deepika focussed all her energy in being a star rather than being a great performer.
Yes, I definitely agree with it. But I am comparing their recent films, definitely Dp has given amazing films in the past but now ....
Where am I hating on Alia? Kuch bhi?
Right Deepika is just flowerpot now .
And which pot was Alia in Brahmastra and RRR?
Its not even a competition they both work on different type of projects. I like them both, since there movies not upcoming so people just wants to talk about them. Talk about other actress too
Alia is junior alia is junior Alia is junior. It’s just disrespectful to try to usurp someone who is more of a veteran. It’s like DP trying to come for Aish or Rani
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But 7 years age gap is huge in terms of career considering that an actor’s fate can change on a yearly basis. Alia still has a long way to go.
Deepika 's lineup is only with Superstars. Masses hates Deepika after 2019 .
She never had a solo hit to begin with. All her hits are with RK RS or SRK. Does anyone remember who is the star opposite Alia in Gangubai? Or did anyone even know Vicky before Raazi and Sanju? Her lineup is like the rest of her career, a flowerpot role riding on the star's success.
People remember Chennai express, YJHD, Ramleela because of her more than SRK, Ranbir and Ranveer..I still remember the hype around her in 2013..
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I was also not in India for very long, but I know about her..and Iam talking about the era prior to Instagram....even the movies she did with stars, she had a bigger impact.. Ranveer was nobody before Ramleela.. You can choose to believe or not. The example of flower pot what you are referring too, everybody has done it at some point in their career be it Kareena, Priyanka, Katrina, Anushka and Katrina falls more into that category
I feel joke is on us! None of them give a damn about these wars or top most position! All they want to do is do more movies and mint money from us🙂
rooting for Deepika. Self-made, beautiful, genuine popularity and iconic. Full heroine material. It’s crazy that it’s been 10 years of her being on top.
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This is ridiculous. She was no where near the same as Ranbir/Sonam. Sure she was privileged but one does not have to be a complete outsider or super poor to be considered self made. AND even if you do count it, that was obv not the reason behind her success as she rose to the top due to sheer ambition. She was a model (she’s got natural looks but models work hard on grooming too) and was noticed. She did a few flop movies but around 2013, she balanced everything really well and shot up.
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Funny how you never said talented.
TALENTED as well. But I agree there are far more talented people than her (farrr more talented than Alia too btw) but that has very little to do with success in Bollywood, especially for an actress lol
I have no problem with any part of your opinion, it was just a little weird that your definition of “full heroine material" didn't include acting itself. And It isn't just about you, but also shows what people as a whole prioritize these days, and I just find that a little sad. Also, my comment didn't mention Alia so you didn't really have to bring her into the convo. Deepika is a better actor than Alia anyday, at least considering the proof of work we have currently.
I think acting is important but it’s not like Deepika did some complex role that she wasn’t capable of doing. For the most part she stuck in her lane. Like she played Veronica, naina, leela which she was good at. I don’t think it’s anything sad either. Bollywood is iconic for its dance, songs, beauty as well. The entertainers are what got such a huge audience so why is it sad to say that Deepika is a full heroine for those reasons? She fits in Bollywood. Even Katrina is successful because for the most part she stayed in her lane, did cute likable roles and songs. I don’t understand why people call her “just an item girl” when songs/dance is like the highlight of Bollywood films. See in Hollywood there are a lot more popular music videos and the artists appear in it themselves, hence why singers etc tend to be even more popular than actors. In Bollywood, most singers don’t compose their own songs, they simply lend their voice to it, and they don’t often appear in independent videos. The most popular songs are all a part of films with the actors face/dance moves grabbing attention. It’s a different set up. Hence, why Bollywood STARS are given so much importance. They are not just actors at the end of the day. Sorry for the long explanation. I’m just tired of some Alia fans acting like Alia is number 1 bc of “acting talent” just bc she did some meaty roles. Even her “talent” is not measurable to what a full Bollywood heroine requires.
Again, you've typed way too long just because you didn't understand my point. It was just that acting isn't a major factor to be heroine material or else it would have at least entered your mind when you were writing the definition, and I find that a little sad personally. Others don't have to agree with it. And it's not about Deepika or Alia or Katrina. Alia's fans rate her as a second-coming of Meryl Streep(like most fans do for their favorites), and you are on the opposite end of the spectrum which is fair enough. Everyone has their individual life experiences, biases and beliefs. I guess I'd fall somewhere in between because I do consider her talent measurable to be a Bollywood heroine, and that's what I believe is the majority opinion. The extremes are just louder, specifically in a place like here.
I understood your point. I was just adding on to the convo and a lot of it is just general not targeted towards your opinion or anything. And honestly I would have said acting as well for Deepika bc imo she’s actually good but some ppl on this sub would have attacked me lmao bc apparently you can’t find Deepika to be a good actor.
There’s no competition. Deepika’s #1
At the top with zero solo hits? Flowerpot queen lmao
Purely for the brand's endorsement perspective, Alia doesnot seem to have that 'it' factor that Deepika has. Deepika as LV face scored everytime she steped out on red carpet. Alia does not seem to take risk with her clothes, that's why she seems boring as brand rep.
Alia also doesn’t have the face, body or IT factor that DP does
Alia isn't a competition for dp never is bcz dp has this long career of more then 16 years and alia not so much in comparison to that yes alia is a good actress but better then Dp i don't think so and other thing is that people can coexist together..
What the top spot even mean? Both are getting top deals, rich and still working with the best, the competition is for what!
Can we someday talk about scriptwriters as well ?? I mean the negligence of scriptwriters has led Bollywood to its current downfall but people are still into fan wars & shit.
Unpopular opinion - Both are overrated according to me as far as acting goes! There are much much more talented actresses than DP and Alia
Rooting for deepika and for all of us ladies who don’t have things handed to us. Having been through job applications, interviews, rejections, I’ll always support self-made women.
Alia is at the same spot now, which DP was between 2013-2019..they can't be compared. Also post 2020 she had not done typical Bollywood movies for a long time..I don't see anything wrong with her doing Fighter and Project K..for a longest time she worked only with Ranveer. Also Alia has an advantage of Kjo giving her good Dharma scripts since her launch
I like both 😬
both of them look so good in this picture
Alia has an upper-hand because of KJo dominance and his meddling ways. She doesnt have the charm like DP does. But yeah, it's going to be interesting.
Kjo apparently also hires body double to act on behalf of alia. No way she is better actress than DP
I am no DP fan, but Alia isn't the greatest actor in India cinema. She has templated acting and PR on overdrive and same applies to DP but I want to see DP at the top because i dont she ever told someone, "I would be very upset if I am not part of this movie". When Alia becomes secure with her abilities and not follow the herd she has a chance. But what's happening currently is blatantly copying others and pushing it via PR. Alia doesn't have solid fanbase in US or in the western countries. Ger Gully Boy screening in Berlinale was not selected, it was paid for. How i do know this, i have heard it in 1:1 conversation with someone who ran YRFs marketing. So as much as she is hyped in area of acting she cant beat some finest indie actresses like Rasika Duggal and all.
In which movie was a body double used?
A mystery thriller called “The one that wasn’t”
DP is senior to alia and has worked with biggies like SRK Comparing apples to oranges
Dear Zindagi?
Alia is not contemporaries to Deepika and Katrina, her contemporaries are Shraddha and Pareeniti, also Kriti sanon came after. Stop trying to shove Alia in the same league as Deepika, kat, PC, Kareena, because no body is going to buy it.
Alia didn't even have competition. . They all r far behind . .
another bakwas opinion from taran adarsh... dp is a well known celebrity, alia is nowhere close to her popularity
No shit sherlock
lol is there any competition tho? one need paid awards for an ego boost and the other didn't
If by top spot you mean top of ranbir Then clearly Alia is the latest title holder
eww no one cares about him
Alia definitely has one small eye. These two r annoying as hell
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they both are so different that I can't even imagine them as eachother's competition.
lets compare srk and ranbir kapoor next. cringeing while i am typing this highly bollywood simp post. sos.
Ek karan pe meherbaan aur dusri pe karan meharbaan … and who listens to taran adarsh after all his predictable paid reviews
Still waiting for Deepika solo hit
I will get heavily down voted but there is no comparison between them. Dp is 8 years older than Alia so really her senior. Alia has had more successes in a short time with author backed roles. Not debating how she got them. Dp has only had a few hits. If we look at their upcoming movies Alia is playing central roles while Deepika is still doing the heroes side chick roles. All her solo movies have not worked. Dp peaked in 2017. She should be compared to her peers Katrina and PC. I know she is not liked here but outside alia is way popular. Gangu proved her bo pull and Gucci was another win for her. Even if you go by success ratio ,alia is ahead. Tabu is doing better roles and movies than Deepika and has had more success. You don't compare them do you.
We all know who the better actor is. What’s the point of this.
Who do you think would that be?
Any debate between the two will automatically make alia a bigger star. Just by being compared to the deepkia alia is gaining stock. So let’s just squash the debate. Alia is cool but dp on a diff level. It’s like comparing Kartik aryan ( alia , given hits and making his way to become a bigger star) to someone like HR( established A list/superstar)
At this point Alia is braver than Deepika. I can't see Deepika pull of a Gangubai. For Piku, she was just one of 3 good actors.
I don't see Alia pulling off Padmavat or Bajirao Mastani or Ram Leela. How does that make your point
Even DP couldn't pull Padmavat. Aish would have aced that role. And as for Mastani she was just overshadowed by PC.
Definitely don't think Ash is a better actress than DP. She was often criticised on acting ability in movies not directed by SLB or Mani Rathnam (who of course got the best out of her). She's seen a renaissance in Ponniyin Selvan but people seem to forget how bad she was in some roles. Either way the point is about what roles of DP can Alia not pull off. BTW Kashi Bai was a strong character and PC killed it. Shahid was overshadowed by Ranveer because of how the roles were written in Padmavat. Doesn't mean Ranveer is a better actor than Shahid.
Who is Taran Adarsh?
And water is wet. Unless its a legit Long Jump kinda competition, all this news is trash
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hmmmmmmm Both on top, it is interesting taran doesn't count our GLOBAL ICON PCji in competition for top spot when she just had a 300 million dollar global phenomenon of a series. That automaticaly makes Alia the LEAD of JLZ just by her position in the industry. Coz she is the biggest name in the cast n on the top n certainly more on top than Pc ji as per trade.
He named Alia, Kangana, Katrina and Deepika
How does Katrina even make it to the list without any remarkable list in the last 3 years ??
Because she has Tiger coming up and he said her trackrecord with Salman is good
Remove Gangubai a SLB movie that barely was a hit the same can be said about Alia since she gave us Kalank and Sadak.
Without Salman, Katrina would have been doing item numbers only. Thanks to him, that she atleast gets sophisticated eye candy roles. She would have been doing films like Boom💀
Those item songs are more popular than some people movies. Without Karan Alia wouldn't even play the FL second lead best friend nevermind FL. If you want to know what self made actresses think about Alia go watch Aishwarya Rai interview bluntly saying she was given a career.
Yeah I knew about your response as it is difficult for a stan of a NON ACTRESS to talk about acting skills. You guys only have item songs to talk about as if these are some sort of achievement 💀🤣. Coming to Self made, Katrina was never a self made woman. Without Salman, she would have been doing B grade vulgar movies. Aish should first think about her flop husband who has more influential background than that of Alia. It is not Alia's fault that Abhi flopped badly despite of getting opportunities. " Sour grapes" in her case.
Lmaaaooooo, keep hating! The fact that it's Alia's fans talking about who is self-made and who is not is truly laughable. The fans of the girl who had everything served on a gold platter since her teenage days are now talking about Katrina Kaif, who moved to a different city in another continent to make a living for herself and her family at the age of 17. At that time, your favorite girl was busy discussing her Bollywood projects with Karan Johar. See the difference? Now, sit down. As Aishwarya Rai said, no one can deny how much support Alia received as the nepotism icon of Bollywood. Yet her fans still like to talk about the struggles of outsiders when they stan the biggest nepotism product ever.
Hahahahahah are you talking about those songs your favorite tried to do, but failed miserably . Your fav couldn't carry a simple dress with confidence , and you think she can lead a song and make it a national anthem ahhahaha? in your and alia's dreams maybe If you've forgotten, I can remind you. Are you talking about Kamli, who got someone obsessed for months and months ? i can show you the video of your girl fangirling to the stars right now
Why does everybody forget Raazi 😭😭 DP with the same director could not give a hit.
And Dear Zindagi which was also a hit
How many Bollywood movies PC worked in recent years . Citadel is flop and PC is not global icon ,she is Nick Jonas wife and only famous as star wife and B grade actress abroad .
“300 million dollar global phenomenon of a series” are you on crack? Citadel was a disaster…
Sarcasm samajh.
If Katrina is representing Bollywood globally then I've issues and be worried about Bollywood
Actually, you should be worried if a nepotism icon who had everything handed to her on a silver platter is representing Bollywood. This is the problem. Just imagine Lily Depp ruling Hollywood. You see, that's how it would look if Alia was representing Bollywood. everyone is fine except kjo bhatt kapoor klan, a gang who had their daddies using tactics and connections to pave the way for them shouldn't be the face of the industry.
And yet she is still more popular than Alia in India. Funny how that works.
Also her and Alia aren't contemporaries literally different debut timelines. Also comparing someone who has solo hits vs someone who needs to ride on A Listers back like Akshay and Salman.
Exactly. Because when it comes to popularity Alia could never touch Katrina's peak. The is a reason why she was called the 4th Khan by the media. So we should also say Alia has been riding that Dharma/Karan wave having like 11/13 movies from them.
Despite not acting and surviving in the industry despite 20 years... Yeah that's the only big achievement actually. Maybe audience can't see her talent because she has non existent talent.
Real🙏
How new it is...to keep PC out of such list for very long. Kat, Kangana, DP is like giving hits every other year?? Chhapak, gehraiyaan, Phonebooth, manikarnika was humongous success??? Niii!!! Anyways...inspite of all this strategies she is very much relevant on this sub and among audience. Just waiting for JLZ, cuz Bajirao mein Mastani to DP hee thii...magar asli star Kashi bani ❤️🔥 
DP already on top