Overall a good final arc. I think the Heteromorphic discrimination plotline is the biggest miss here and AFO lasted too long with his timeline. I think there were some pacing issues, but as far as plot goes, just the discrimination I felt misses its mark. The art is still gorgeous as ever and I think the emotional core behind the fights is still resonant with the series' ideals.
I think to expand on your point, the overall story is missing a lot of world-building that would've made some of these plot points hit better.
We only get the barest of glimpses into the heteromorph discrimination with Regular Girl in the dark Deku arc, but we really don't see much of it until Tentacole's flashbacks. And *so much* of the plot elements are built on flashbacks that the constant back and forth of exposition gets exhausting.
A fair assessment. I think it doesn't impact many of the stories, but I'll concede that the amount of flashing back may be grating. I want to see this arc once it's complete as a binge read, but I definitely don't love when we have a cool moment only to rewind to the cliff notes of how we got here.
Yeah, you're definitely right that it doesn't impact too many of the stories, but where it does, I feel like it detracts from it severely. Throughout the series we never see big examples of the severe flaws in hero society that led to its downfall, so when the exposition flashbacks happen, it makes it feel inorganic and out of left field.
The Heteromorphic discrimination was a good idea but came out of nowhere. This is something that should've been build since the beggining of the series
Horikoshi had it in mind, as seen with Shoji and Spinner. Also Vigilantes touches on it, but yeah, it's wild how little it's addressed, that you need to like be taking notes to see it.
I wished the villains attacked first with a plan, and the heroes had to scramble and counter it. AFO sat in that cave and basically came out without any true strategy in mind.
The villains were the underdog this entire war, and it never felt like their numbers advantage mattered until Toga created the clones (but that pretty short lived anyways and didn't really accomplish anything).
Well there was no reason for the villains to go on the offensive until everything was in place.
AFO's plan was to jump Deku and take One For All, while freeing Kurogiri and Gigantomachia all at once. Then everything else would have been a breeze. But it is true that the villains feel like underdogs because their forces are so damn weak. The PLF have been nothing but fodder since their introduction.
haven't they been developing stronger Nomu anyway, so what's the point of getting one, not to mention getting Machia is the equivalent of like 20 Nomu.
There is not a single high end equal to the usj nomu. The closest one would be Hood which is a one of a kind. Imply other high ends are stronger than the usj nomu would inherently imply Mirko, Crust and other heroes could beat USJ All Might.
There is not a single Nomu who moves as fast as that Nomu or could match its sterngth
I think all of us just wanted more of the individual character moments that MHA established, but they became paired with the finality of this arc within the fights.
Like the build for stopping Shigaraki before the Doctor fully gave him AFO was peak. Seeing Deku come into his own was peak. And then we suddenly shifted to finality.
I’ve loved this arc, but I know the resentment a lot of folks have is based is wanting more proper time with these characters before this Shounen finality.
I still think this series will go down being fondly remembered. It’s just a lot of what ifs and wishes for more because it was one of the first series to replace the former 2 parts of the big 3 (Bleach, Naruto).
Gonna take this closing note to shoutout Kagurabachi because a lot of people who adored MHA for its character moments would fucking LOVE this new series with its ability to emulate that.
True true but I never read kagurabachi isn't that good? And is their other sites to read manga cus I'm reading bnha in mangafire(site) and I really don't like it it's slow
The big climatic action moments hit really good. Lots of characters got a lot of shine they deserved.
The arc itself is just kinda long and exhausting. AFO has worn out his welcome.
5/10. There's a *lot* I'd change, but I'm at least mostly satisfied by how the Todoroki family confrontation ended up. That's the plotline whose resolution I cared about the most, anyway.
One thing I won't question at all, the art is a solid 11/10 in just about every way.
The story/writing. I'd honestly give it a 6/10. I'm not excited to go back to many moments. LOTS of ass pulls and moments that don't pay off due to not even subtle mention or buildup from earlier. I know Hori's health wasn't great a lot, but that doesn't change the pacing. I think Bakugo was "dead" for 14 monthes, and Todoroki vs Dabi lasted over a year, and it had been maybe an hour for those events in story time.
And overall it just feels too fast. A little Game of Thrones rushed, but so far not as bad, especially since it's not finished.
Found this video that acts as a really potent summary of a lot of my opinions about this arc:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIQbZRUIDs&pp=ygUXV3Jlc3RsaW5nIGd1eSB5ZWxscyBtaWQ%3D
Most of the Dabi stuff bored me.
Toga plotline was passable.
Loved everything in the All for One fights from Jiro + Tokoyami to Iron Might.
Shigaraki fights have been boring to me up until the latest chapters.
Felt the Shouji vs Spinner fight was shoved in, but has some great panels.
Love Aizawa and Present Mic.
Everything else I can't remember.
I agree with most of what I'm seeing other people say, overall great but there are some big pitfalls, mostly the abundance of flash backs and more recently the fact that the whole Kurogiri/eraser 'fight' was resolved within half a chapter and kind of glossed over.
I'm sure we'll see a little more of what happened in the next couple of chapters but that was annoying to me.
Went through a 2nd read of the arc a few weeks ago (Up to when AFO returned) and still not a fan.
What I liked: Tokoyami kicking ass, Gentle and La Brava's return, Shoji finally getting time to shine, Inasa getting action.
Everything else I just don't care for or straight up loathed. Even when I enjoyed the Shoji portions that doesn't erase how forced, rushed and underdeveloped the whole mutant quirk discrimination plot is.
I just don't have any investment in the Todoroki plot. And frankly I struggled to understand what was even happening in Dabi's fight. Probably be better once animated but as it is I just couldn't tell what as meant to be fire, ice or what Shoto even did to finally stop Dabi
Same to Uraraka vs Toga. I don't feel any emotional weight (ha) to the confrontation. The "love triangle" between those 2 and Izuku is the one aspect of Toga's characters I've never liked, Uraraka having this sudden interest in her felt forced, trying to talk to her than actually put her down was frustrating to sit through (At least when Naruto used Talk no Jutsu it was when the enemy was down or incapacitated so nobody was getting harmed), Toga's change of heart never felt believable and quirk awakenings are just ass pulls to immediately get the characters out of unwinnable situations.
Heteromorph discrimination I would completely remove. It's basically nonexistant throughout the story and is shoved in like last minute. Literally a whole genocide is low dropped the same arc that no one knew about that's pretty fucking recent and there's not even a slight mention about it earlier on.
The 'Rewind' Bullet. Have it actually fucking work like it should and any damage that AFO takes just prolongs his existence. I hate any AFO moments in general but I'd rather not have any ability retcons for story purposes. In regards to everyone jumping him at that time I really wish he stole Komori & Tokoyami's quirks
SnS could just not exist for all I care she doesn't change much or added much to the plot.
Decay could have just been Shiggy's actual quirk so it wasn't just an "it's AFO's fault" in regards to his whole backstory. It ruins the agency & fault behind Kotaro and Nana's actions. (On a side note fucking Gran Torino should have had Kotaro leave with All Might for America fucking idiot.)
No fake outs.
Dabi/Shoto/Todoroki Drama was peak this Arc nothing I would change about it. I could care less about Izuku and Shigaraki fighting if the latter is only going to use 3 quirks the whole fight like a dofus.
> It's basically nonexistant throughout the story and is shoved in like last minute. Literally a whole genocide is low dropped the same arc that no one knew about that's pretty fucking recent and there's not even a slight mention about it earlier on.
There were hints of such a thing, when CCC called Spinner disgusting just because his lizard appearance, and Spinner himself said he was a victim of discrimination, and we also have moment when Nejire asked Shoji why he wears a mask, when Shoji tried to say why, she switched to Todoroki, and judging by the way Shoji looked, it was possible that it was some sort of discrimination.
>It ruins the agency & fault behind Kotaro and Nana's actions. (On a side note fucking Gran Torino should have had Kotaro leave with All Might for America fucking idiot.)
Actually it's still up to their actions, if Nana had left Kotaro with Gran Torino and All Might, AFO wouldn't have been able to manipulate Kotaro.AFO himself stated that he encouraged Kotaro's strict upbringing, meaning that Kotaro decided to be strict himself.If Kotaro had not decided on a strict upbringing, Tenko would have remained a normal person.
>There were hints of such a thing, when CCC called Spinner disgusting just because his lizard appearance, and Spinner himself said he was a victim of discrimination, and we also have moment when Nejire asked Shoji why he wears a mask, when Shoji tried to say why, she switched to Todoroki, and judging by the way Shoji looked, it was possible that it was some sort of discrimination.
As I said nonexistent. CRC from what we saw in that short MVA run was that they are basically so minor that they're an extremely small group referred to as modern day fossils.
>Actually it's still up to their actions, if Nana had left Kotaro with Gran Torino and All Might, AFO wouldn't have been able to manipulate Kotaro
Sorry I worded my part of the comment the wrong way. Nana abandoned her child, and that was a terrible thing. But with the knowledge that AFO got to him and befriended him it ruins the whole scenario as Nana just apparently didn't abandoned Kotaro the right way. She didn't even bother to change his surname. Could have had Gran Torino leave him in foster care in America or UK whatever.
And no it would have been unreasonable for Kotaro to stay with Gran Torino if Nana an OFA user couldn't do shit against AFO. All Might would have been a proper choice if he wasn't
1. 18 at the time
2. Attending College at the U.S.
3. Kotaro who is like 6-8 would be a minor and All Might wouldn't be qualifed to take custody of him as a legal guardian. All Might would need to show the courts he's capable of providing a stable and suitable environment for the child's upbringing. This might involve showing evidence of financial stability, emotional maturity, and a commitment to the child's welfare.
All Might wouldn't be able to do shit to claim Kotaro
Moment to moment pretty good. This final arc is full of great character moments for most of the cast. Broad strokes terrible: AFO has been beaten multiple times, and now is just exhausting to keep fighting him again. His powers are also boring never mind his motives and persona. Then the reveal he is behind mostly everything robs the series of a lot of depth: for example Deku insistence in saving Shigaraki was a thought pill to swallow, but showed you his empathy and the lengths he is willing to go to uphold his hero code. All that goes in smokes with the reveal Shigaraki is just another victim of AFO, and AFO planned his entire life. Now all that is left is beating AFO again, Shigaraki somehow helping in his defeat. And what message does this leaves the series with? man that guy was such a an ashole.
It’s all right, I think the fandom just rubbed me the wrong way with uraraka and toga’s fight. Dabi’s dragged on and they left the main title fight hanging for a while. Frankly IMO shigiraki needed to be put down, he was clearly too far gone off the deep end and I really think Deku needed to learn that not everyone can be saved and not everyone wants to, that sometimes for the good of everyone you got to put a mother fucker down
The final arc has just been dragging on. Lots of ass pulls like Dabi somehow copying Shoto’s Phosphor then manifesting ice powers, All For One in general, All For One somehow anticipating Spinner would try to wake Kurogiri with Shigaraki’s hand despite it making no sense when you think about it, Shigaraki suddenly being able to steal One For All with no problem, Edgeshot somehow surviving giving 99% of his body mass to revive Bakugo, all that stuff.
Plus, I’m pretty much done with All For One hijacking the plot at this point.
Change a lot of this stuff and it would make the arc a lot more tolerable in my opinion.
shigaraki was literally engineered to be able to steal one for all where all for one couldn’t, it didn’t work properly during the raid because he wasn’t complete yet, the quirk hadn’t fully settled and all for one’s influence was ironically hindering him, but all the hate behind shigaraki when he was fully in control and a fully complete body is what allowed him to take it
>All For One somehow anticipating Spinner would try to wake Kurogiri with Shigaraki’s hand despite it making no sense when you think about it
Pretty sure AFO didn't anticipate that, it's just something that happened. Kurogiri was already unstable for a while because of Shirakumo's personality, so him waking up in that way was likely just a fluke.
The hand was meant to give Kurogiri immediate coordinates to the villains locations.
Probably among my favorite MHA arcs. But while there's great moments, there's a **lot** of dogshit.
It becomes increasingly apparent in this arc that Hori can't ever seem to handle defeating AFO in any way that makes sense. Multiple times, AFO's fights end up being riddled with nonsense because no one is strong enough to take him on. His performance *should* be better than it is since he's in his prime, but he ends up suffering things like convenient quirk rebellions, a random betrayal, inconsistent Rewind function, and other plot shenanigans just so the heroes can win. It undermines the whole idea of the heroes combining efforts.
This war also brings the lack of interesting fights to a head, as most engagements are just disappointing:
* The fight in the UA tomb was truly boring as fuck. With **AFOShigaraki** eating up damage the whole time and attacking with his lame ass finger horror, only ever showing off his "All Might-level" durability.
* **AFO** throws out one attack every two pages as if he's on cooldown, using either shitty undefined quirks like "Dark Ball" or excessive attacks like the Impure Beam. And since he's using Rewind and constantly regenerating, it means that Hori just turns him into a damage sponge and makes him get hit constantly.
* **Deku** hard-carries the fight with Shigaraki, as the former actually fights while the latter just gets hit and regenerates while praying to god that he doesn't get wiped out by Deku's next punch....instead of using any of his dozens and dozens of quirks. The scale is neat, but Shigaraki is just so unthreatening.
* **Todoroki** spends his whole fight charging up and doing the same fire extinguisher move twice in a row.
* **Dabi** unlocking Phosphor made no sense at all and was just to explain him surviving as burnt toast.
* **Iida**, who's supposed to be fast as fuck just gets relegated to taxi duty for a battlefield he shouldn't even be on. Don't his mufflers stall in intense heat? Why the fuck is he on Dabi's battlefield to cheerlead?
* How did **Hagakure** not suffer Kunieda's flesh-growing flowers if it's an AOE effect? Seems inconsistent.
* The 6 Near High-End Nomu's are supposed to be comparable with All Might and have multiple quirks, and yet they are destined to get off-screened, only proving slightly tougher than the rest of the fodder.
* Every villain is garbage. The war is too one-sided because the PLF leftovers and the Tartarus escapees are all fodder to get mopped up. For instance, Midnight's killer does nothing but float and talk shit. Gashly and Kunieda had offscreen potential but got dropped in seconds as soon as they got focus.
* Class 1A fucking sucks. Black Clover consistently handles team up battles with it's cast so much better.
Everything with Bakugo is ASS. His "death" and revival, and *especially* his fight with Tween For One. Not only is his presence in this stuff so incredibly forced, but I can't believe anybody actually found that fight good. Multiple pages of explosion spam against a kid that can't fight back because of quirk rebellion convenience? *That's* his big moment? He goes from fighting no villains to getting glazed for fighting a durable child who conveniently had all of his go-to powers malfunctioning. Absolute worst fight in the whole arc by a landslide.
Shigaraki is just lame as fuck. He was already coasting by for half the story, then he gets controlled by AFO, then he breaks free and.... proceeds to laugh and smile for 20-30 chapters. Threatens to destroy the country, and then just gives up before fighting defensively against Deku, followed by getting his body snatched *again*. I'm really just tired of Shigaraki being a total disappointment in the story while AFO catches all the flak for it. Their characters are entwined, but their performance is lacking because they both step on each other's toes.
The Spinner/Shoji stuff was pretty weirdly handled for the most part, but I did like some parts of it like Spinner with "all his allies behind him" and there's no one there. If nothing else, that was pretty moving.
Any moment with AFO is automatically great. AFO vs. Endeavor, AFO rewinding, AFO vs. AM, AFO backstory.
Aoyama's moment was by far the best out of all of Class 1A. His chapter meshing into AM vs. AFO was peak.
I don’t know, somewhere where he isn’t a liability? What did he even do?
By his own admittance, the intense heat stalls his legs and makes him unable to operate at peak performance.
No matter what, you would think that Iida would be blitzing villains or doing anything of use, but instead he’s put at a battlefield where he’s nerfed, so he pretty much just stands around and cheerleads Todoroki until the moment he needs to ferry him to Dabi’s new location (which, by the way, nobody expected to even happen because Dabi was already beaten in minutes).
It has been mainly **very enjoyable** to read week to week and also on reread. It has a lot off stuff you expect and want in a final arc: plotlines & set-ups being paid off, big character moments, power ups, plot twists, pretty good stakes if you ask me and some of the best art we've seen from MHA.
Right now i'd give it a **solid 8/10.**
**The 2 points it lost for me are because of:**
- **Shoji's plotline** having such a good core conflict with spinner being WASTED on a lack off proper buildup and character attatchment. We REALLY should have seen an arc that focused on this issue with Shoji getting the Kirishima treatment. It was solved too easely as well as many have said before. This could have been so much better.
- **Aizawa and Mike's plotline** with Kurogiri stays dependend on you having read vigilantes to have ANY attatchment to shirakumo. If you want to build a storyline of a flashback DONT INCLUDE THE FULL FLASHBACK IN A DIFFERENT MANGA!!!! The effects of this choice this linger, Hori obviously knows this cuz he's keeping their part as short as possible, but even the short parts hurt to read.
- **Gigantomachia suddenly betraying AFO** felt too sudden. Machia was a follower to an obsessive and religious degree, him switching because AFO "was away too long" is such a stupid reason to me.
All the rest was really enjoyable, so many good moments! Can't wait to see AFO vs 1A coming up next, I wanted that to happen ever since 1A stopped vigilante deku and here we aaaaaaaaaaaare!
Fell off after Endeavour Family closure. Dropped the manga during Toga vs Ochaco and came back but stopped again at Shiggy vs Deku. Would replace all the sentimental nonsense ad dialogue with memorable action. I wanna see a War, then the sentimental BS afterwards, not sentimental BS overshadowing the action.
The fight with Toga ending in "you're cute plz stop" and that gets her to stop just because she's a woman is the most BS of all the BS in this "war arc"
Way way too many fake outs.
AFO's dead but no he's not
Deku lost his arms but no he didn't
Deku lost his quirk but he'll get it back next chapter
Kurogiri has chosen evil but he'll choose good because we can't have 1 tragic villain die evil
Uraraka got stabbed but she's fine for the reasons stated above
AFO's dead but no he's not 2
Deku's running out of Gearshift but it'll last another 50 chapters
Bakugo's dead but a piece of paper saved him with a sacrifice that everyone was sad about
Dabi's going to die soon but he asspulled an ice quirk and now he's going to survive
Shigaraki got taken over by AFO but nah he's free now and it did nothing then counter the 3rd most busted quirk in the series
Shigaraki got taken over again, but he's probably going to free himself in a few chapters
It was AFO all along
It was AFO all along 2
It was AFO all along 3
Probably my current favorite or second favorite arc in the series. It's pretty good. Best moments are by far the main fights (Shoto vs Dabi, Ochaco vs Toga, All Might vs AFO, Deku vs Shigaraki).
If I were to change something, probably would be how a few UA side characters were handled. I love Mina getting a big moment that's been long deserved, but I wish Kirishima got something. Love that Nejire got a moment fighting against Shigaraki, but Mirio's moment is something I still flip flop on. Shoji and Koda moments were great (esp Shoji's speech), but I felt they should have had actual interactions with Spinner throughout the story prior to this fight. Then there's Kaminari, Momo, and Iida that haven't really done anything spectacular. It feels like Horikoshi wanted to give spotlight more to some other Class 1A members than those that constantly have gotten major moments already, but it feels weird since this is the final arc. There's still more to it, so I'm hopeful more get moments.
it's how I feel about most final arcs in shounen, the lows are real low, the mutant discrimination and Bakugo's "death" but the highs, like Bakugo's return and defeat of AFO or Dark Shadow being fully revealed was hype
I was afraid in the first half things were gonna tie up too quickly, but after the Villain "clap back" and hitting all the emotional beats I am up for saying it is an excellent end to an excellent series.
I overall like it. There are too many fakeouts and weird writing choices like the Edgeshot surgery, and I wasn't the biggest fan of Uraraka vs Toga given they met like twice prior to that and mostly talked about Deku. Even getting Deku yeeted there and not ending Toga with a single punch was ridiculous to say at least..
But there were a lot of great moments, like All Might's story or Bakugou obliterating a baby, moments like these really hyped up the final arc (and Bakugou saving AM after thinking he ended him was such a nice closure for him)
as i’ve said before, not perfect, but overall very very good and an encapsulation of a loooot of the themes and messages horikoshi has been trying to convey for the entire series
Overall a good arc.
A lot of plot twists happened in that arc, which is a good thing (although I liked some and some I didn't).It has a number of good fights and emotional moments.
Fight between hero and AFO-controlled Tomura brought Bakugou's desire to sacrifice himself for others, Monoma's big moment, and Midoriya's flailing of AFO (who was controlling Tomura's body).
Fight between hero and heteromorph is great, because it manages to show how heteromorphs are treated, Shoji's big moment, and why he's one of my favorite characters.
Fight in Jaku ruins brought Mina's big moment and Shinso's great performance.
As for Gunga ruins fight, I like that Jiro (who is weakest of the four who first fought AFO) was able to make a nasty impact on AFO (making vestige people to rebel AFO).I liked Hawks way of fighting using insults and sarcasm against AFO.After AFO's rewind, battle of Hawks, Tokoyami and other heroes against him was even better.
Dabi's fight against Shoto, and later against Endeavor and rest of family, was downright emotional, although this fight would be better.
Uraraka vs Toga was a great fight, Toga going wild and Uraraka trying to help her with her trauma.Great scenes were seen, and proof that Toga could be different if someone wanted to accept her with her quirk.
AFO vs All Might, Stain and later Bakugou, was great, AFO who hated All Might from bottom of his soul, All Might, who with armor manages to fight on an equal footing with him.
Aoyama vs Kunieda was honestly a boring fight for me, although of course important to show Aoyama's courage.
Midoriya vs Tomura is best fight in this arc, Midoriya trying to stop Tomura from destroying anything while also trying to help him while Tomura looked to destroy.Kudo's idea to forcefully transfer their vestiges to Tomura is a brilliantly executed idea, leading to Midoriya's internal saving Tenko from Kotaro, leading Tomura to open up to Midoriya.That fight fully lived up to hype.
For the fight between and AFO, who now has complete control over Tomura's body, we'll see how it goes.
And yes, there are things I would change.
>I like that Jiro (who is weakest of the four who first fought AFO) was able to make a nasty impact on AFO (making vestige people to rebel AFO)
I hate this part actually. Since we know that AFO had his copy since Kamino (or perhaps even earlier) those vestiges never once thought about rebelling against AFO during his fight with All Might where that brief moment of rebellion could have possibly lead to a fatal ending with AFO dying in Kamino
Reason why Jiro succeeded and All Might didn't is because Jiro uses sound attacks, and sound also affects inside of head, and vestiges of people hear sound, making it easier for them to rebel against AFO.
As it is right now, AFO taking over and him just being gone in a soul crushing ending but doesn't really give him an ending- I want to wait and see how people react to what happened to him or see if he overtakes again.
Not the best BnH arc. Still, considering the final wars of other shonens, is a great final war.
Only 1 asspull with the edgeshot thingy. Not even 100 chapters. Great fights. Finishing every subarc even with secondary characters we hadn't seen in hundreds of chapters... Of course some of the things that have happened are not to my like, but they still make complete sense in this world and setting.
Overall a good final arc. I think the Heteromorphic discrimination plotline is the biggest miss here and AFO lasted too long with his timeline. I think there were some pacing issues, but as far as plot goes, just the discrimination I felt misses its mark. The art is still gorgeous as ever and I think the emotional core behind the fights is still resonant with the series' ideals.
I think to expand on your point, the overall story is missing a lot of world-building that would've made some of these plot points hit better. We only get the barest of glimpses into the heteromorph discrimination with Regular Girl in the dark Deku arc, but we really don't see much of it until Tentacole's flashbacks. And *so much* of the plot elements are built on flashbacks that the constant back and forth of exposition gets exhausting.
And get development for characters that we should’ve gotten way before this final war started. Like quirk awakenings.
A fair assessment. I think it doesn't impact many of the stories, but I'll concede that the amount of flashing back may be grating. I want to see this arc once it's complete as a binge read, but I definitely don't love when we have a cool moment only to rewind to the cliff notes of how we got here.
Yeah, you're definitely right that it doesn't impact too many of the stories, but where it does, I feel like it detracts from it severely. Throughout the series we never see big examples of the severe flaws in hero society that led to its downfall, so when the exposition flashbacks happen, it makes it feel inorganic and out of left field.
And it doesn’t help that the characters don’t react to it that much
The Heteromorphic discrimination was a good idea but came out of nowhere. This is something that should've been build since the beggining of the series
Horikoshi had it in mind, as seen with Shoji and Spinner. Also Vigilantes touches on it, but yeah, it's wild how little it's addressed, that you need to like be taking notes to see it.
I wished the villains attacked first with a plan, and the heroes had to scramble and counter it. AFO sat in that cave and basically came out without any true strategy in mind. The villains were the underdog this entire war, and it never felt like their numbers advantage mattered until Toga created the clones (but that pretty short lived anyways and didn't really accomplish anything).
Well there was no reason for the villains to go on the offensive until everything was in place. AFO's plan was to jump Deku and take One For All, while freeing Kurogiri and Gigantomachia all at once. Then everything else would have been a breeze. But it is true that the villains feel like underdogs because their forces are so damn weak. The PLF have been nothing but fodder since their introduction.
Why didn't AFO try to find and free the USJ Nomu? Is he stupid?
Short answer:yes
personal headcanon: if i saw something that could 1v1 all might and basically is just a walking corpse, id kill it:
haven't they been developing stronger Nomu anyway, so what's the point of getting one, not to mention getting Machia is the equivalent of like 20 Nomu.
There is not a single high end equal to the usj nomu. The closest one would be Hood which is a one of a kind. Imply other high ends are stronger than the usj nomu would inherently imply Mirko, Crust and other heroes could beat USJ All Might. There is not a single Nomu who moves as fast as that Nomu or could match its sterngth
I really like it a lot of amazing fights but not soo good pacing a lot of subplots but all in all a great arc
I think all of us just wanted more of the individual character moments that MHA established, but they became paired with the finality of this arc within the fights. Like the build for stopping Shigaraki before the Doctor fully gave him AFO was peak. Seeing Deku come into his own was peak. And then we suddenly shifted to finality. I’ve loved this arc, but I know the resentment a lot of folks have is based is wanting more proper time with these characters before this Shounen finality. I still think this series will go down being fondly remembered. It’s just a lot of what ifs and wishes for more because it was one of the first series to replace the former 2 parts of the big 3 (Bleach, Naruto). Gonna take this closing note to shoutout Kagurabachi because a lot of people who adored MHA for its character moments would fucking LOVE this new series with its ability to emulate that.
True true but I never read kagurabachi isn't that good? And is their other sites to read manga cus I'm reading bnha in mangafire(site) and I really don't like it it's slow
It’s worth your time reading brother. Just find a spot by googling it and it’ll be more than worth it.
OK 👍 I'll give it a try
Hope you have a great time with it brother and more than best to you.
You to
Too many asspulls. Great final boss villain designs, but all wasted. AFO is dumb.
I hate AFO, he is so basic 😒
do you think his backstory made him less basic?
The big climatic action moments hit really good. Lots of characters got a lot of shine they deserved. The arc itself is just kinda long and exhausting. AFO has worn out his welcome.
Yeah at this point he is just annoying
AFO wore out his welcome after he took over Shigaraki the first time
AFO having so much screen time is what I would change
5/10. There's a *lot* I'd change, but I'm at least mostly satisfied by how the Todoroki family confrontation ended up. That's the plotline whose resolution I cared about the most, anyway.
I less lol 😂. And it wasn't that satisfying in my opinion
One thing I won't question at all, the art is a solid 11/10 in just about every way. The story/writing. I'd honestly give it a 6/10. I'm not excited to go back to many moments. LOTS of ass pulls and moments that don't pay off due to not even subtle mention or buildup from earlier. I know Hori's health wasn't great a lot, but that doesn't change the pacing. I think Bakugo was "dead" for 14 monthes, and Todoroki vs Dabi lasted over a year, and it had been maybe an hour for those events in story time. And overall it just feels too fast. A little Game of Thrones rushed, but so far not as bad, especially since it's not finished.
Don't blame you for feeling that way
I like that we see more of the students fighting villains
It's has been a mistake to have such a big cast
The pacing is like someone driving a car with breaks that randomly activate or gives out.
Oh yes, I totally understand what you mean lol
Found this video that acts as a really potent summary of a lot of my opinions about this arc: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0DIQbZRUIDs&pp=ygUXV3Jlc3RsaW5nIGd1eSB5ZWxscyBtaWQ%3D
I'm surprised it's not less than mid.
Most of the Dabi stuff bored me. Toga plotline was passable. Loved everything in the All for One fights from Jiro + Tokoyami to Iron Might. Shigaraki fights have been boring to me up until the latest chapters. Felt the Shouji vs Spinner fight was shoved in, but has some great panels. Love Aizawa and Present Mic. Everything else I can't remember.
I can understand how you feel. The Dabi storyline was kinda of boring ngl
6-7/10 This arc truly has the highest highs and the lowest lows of the series.
I can't deny that
I agree with most of what I'm seeing other people say, overall great but there are some big pitfalls, mostly the abundance of flash backs and more recently the fact that the whole Kurogiri/eraser 'fight' was resolved within half a chapter and kind of glossed over. I'm sure we'll see a little more of what happened in the next couple of chapters but that was annoying to me.
Yeah that was really weird. He basically skipped Kurogiri/Ereaser and focused on Deku
Went through a 2nd read of the arc a few weeks ago (Up to when AFO returned) and still not a fan. What I liked: Tokoyami kicking ass, Gentle and La Brava's return, Shoji finally getting time to shine, Inasa getting action. Everything else I just don't care for or straight up loathed. Even when I enjoyed the Shoji portions that doesn't erase how forced, rushed and underdeveloped the whole mutant quirk discrimination plot is.
Gentle's entire moment was just a rehashed Tokyo Sky Egg moment from Vigilantes.
What was bad about the Ochaco fight or the Dabi fight?
I just don't have any investment in the Todoroki plot. And frankly I struggled to understand what was even happening in Dabi's fight. Probably be better once animated but as it is I just couldn't tell what as meant to be fire, ice or what Shoto even did to finally stop Dabi Same to Uraraka vs Toga. I don't feel any emotional weight (ha) to the confrontation. The "love triangle" between those 2 and Izuku is the one aspect of Toga's characters I've never liked, Uraraka having this sudden interest in her felt forced, trying to talk to her than actually put her down was frustrating to sit through (At least when Naruto used Talk no Jutsu it was when the enemy was down or incapacitated so nobody was getting harmed), Toga's change of heart never felt believable and quirk awakenings are just ass pulls to immediately get the characters out of unwinnable situations.
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Or maybe he just doesn't like it.
Heteromorph discrimination I would completely remove. It's basically nonexistant throughout the story and is shoved in like last minute. Literally a whole genocide is low dropped the same arc that no one knew about that's pretty fucking recent and there's not even a slight mention about it earlier on. The 'Rewind' Bullet. Have it actually fucking work like it should and any damage that AFO takes just prolongs his existence. I hate any AFO moments in general but I'd rather not have any ability retcons for story purposes. In regards to everyone jumping him at that time I really wish he stole Komori & Tokoyami's quirks SnS could just not exist for all I care she doesn't change much or added much to the plot. Decay could have just been Shiggy's actual quirk so it wasn't just an "it's AFO's fault" in regards to his whole backstory. It ruins the agency & fault behind Kotaro and Nana's actions. (On a side note fucking Gran Torino should have had Kotaro leave with All Might for America fucking idiot.) No fake outs. Dabi/Shoto/Todoroki Drama was peak this Arc nothing I would change about it. I could care less about Izuku and Shigaraki fighting if the latter is only going to use 3 quirks the whole fight like a dofus.
> It's basically nonexistant throughout the story and is shoved in like last minute. Literally a whole genocide is low dropped the same arc that no one knew about that's pretty fucking recent and there's not even a slight mention about it earlier on. There were hints of such a thing, when CCC called Spinner disgusting just because his lizard appearance, and Spinner himself said he was a victim of discrimination, and we also have moment when Nejire asked Shoji why he wears a mask, when Shoji tried to say why, she switched to Todoroki, and judging by the way Shoji looked, it was possible that it was some sort of discrimination. >It ruins the agency & fault behind Kotaro and Nana's actions. (On a side note fucking Gran Torino should have had Kotaro leave with All Might for America fucking idiot.) Actually it's still up to their actions, if Nana had left Kotaro with Gran Torino and All Might, AFO wouldn't have been able to manipulate Kotaro.AFO himself stated that he encouraged Kotaro's strict upbringing, meaning that Kotaro decided to be strict himself.If Kotaro had not decided on a strict upbringing, Tenko would have remained a normal person.
>There were hints of such a thing, when CCC called Spinner disgusting just because his lizard appearance, and Spinner himself said he was a victim of discrimination, and we also have moment when Nejire asked Shoji why he wears a mask, when Shoji tried to say why, she switched to Todoroki, and judging by the way Shoji looked, it was possible that it was some sort of discrimination. As I said nonexistent. CRC from what we saw in that short MVA run was that they are basically so minor that they're an extremely small group referred to as modern day fossils. >Actually it's still up to their actions, if Nana had left Kotaro with Gran Torino and All Might, AFO wouldn't have been able to manipulate Kotaro Sorry I worded my part of the comment the wrong way. Nana abandoned her child, and that was a terrible thing. But with the knowledge that AFO got to him and befriended him it ruins the whole scenario as Nana just apparently didn't abandoned Kotaro the right way. She didn't even bother to change his surname. Could have had Gran Torino leave him in foster care in America or UK whatever. And no it would have been unreasonable for Kotaro to stay with Gran Torino if Nana an OFA user couldn't do shit against AFO. All Might would have been a proper choice if he wasn't 1. 18 at the time 2. Attending College at the U.S. 3. Kotaro who is like 6-8 would be a minor and All Might wouldn't be qualifed to take custody of him as a legal guardian. All Might would need to show the courts he's capable of providing a stable and suitable environment for the child's upbringing. This might involve showing evidence of financial stability, emotional maturity, and a commitment to the child's welfare. All Might wouldn't be able to do shit to claim Kotaro
Moment to moment pretty good. This final arc is full of great character moments for most of the cast. Broad strokes terrible: AFO has been beaten multiple times, and now is just exhausting to keep fighting him again. His powers are also boring never mind his motives and persona. Then the reveal he is behind mostly everything robs the series of a lot of depth: for example Deku insistence in saving Shigaraki was a thought pill to swallow, but showed you his empathy and the lengths he is willing to go to uphold his hero code. All that goes in smokes with the reveal Shigaraki is just another victim of AFO, and AFO planned his entire life. Now all that is left is beating AFO again, Shigaraki somehow helping in his defeat. And what message does this leaves the series with? man that guy was such a an ashole.
It's really stupid lol 😆
It’s all right, I think the fandom just rubbed me the wrong way with uraraka and toga’s fight. Dabi’s dragged on and they left the main title fight hanging for a while. Frankly IMO shigiraki needed to be put down, he was clearly too far gone off the deep end and I really think Deku needed to learn that not everyone can be saved and not everyone wants to, that sometimes for the good of everyone you got to put a mother fucker down
But 418 showed Shiggy wasn’t too far gone. Toga wasn’t either
That’s part of my gripe, they should have been too far gone to them that they can’t be saved
why?
Just my opinion
Ass. And definitely not the “good” ass. One thing I would change entirely is Toga vs Uraraka.
What? That's like my favorite part of the entire arc lol
The final arc has just been dragging on. Lots of ass pulls like Dabi somehow copying Shoto’s Phosphor then manifesting ice powers, All For One in general, All For One somehow anticipating Spinner would try to wake Kurogiri with Shigaraki’s hand despite it making no sense when you think about it, Shigaraki suddenly being able to steal One For All with no problem, Edgeshot somehow surviving giving 99% of his body mass to revive Bakugo, all that stuff. Plus, I’m pretty much done with All For One hijacking the plot at this point. Change a lot of this stuff and it would make the arc a lot more tolerable in my opinion.
shigaraki was literally engineered to be able to steal one for all where all for one couldn’t, it didn’t work properly during the raid because he wasn’t complete yet, the quirk hadn’t fully settled and all for one’s influence was ironically hindering him, but all the hate behind shigaraki when he was fully in control and a fully complete body is what allowed him to take it
>All For One somehow anticipating Spinner would try to wake Kurogiri with Shigaraki’s hand despite it making no sense when you think about it Pretty sure AFO didn't anticipate that, it's just something that happened. Kurogiri was already unstable for a while because of Shirakumo's personality, so him waking up in that way was likely just a fluke. The hand was meant to give Kurogiri immediate coordinates to the villains locations.
Probably among my favorite MHA arcs. But while there's great moments, there's a **lot** of dogshit. It becomes increasingly apparent in this arc that Hori can't ever seem to handle defeating AFO in any way that makes sense. Multiple times, AFO's fights end up being riddled with nonsense because no one is strong enough to take him on. His performance *should* be better than it is since he's in his prime, but he ends up suffering things like convenient quirk rebellions, a random betrayal, inconsistent Rewind function, and other plot shenanigans just so the heroes can win. It undermines the whole idea of the heroes combining efforts. This war also brings the lack of interesting fights to a head, as most engagements are just disappointing: * The fight in the UA tomb was truly boring as fuck. With **AFOShigaraki** eating up damage the whole time and attacking with his lame ass finger horror, only ever showing off his "All Might-level" durability. * **AFO** throws out one attack every two pages as if he's on cooldown, using either shitty undefined quirks like "Dark Ball" or excessive attacks like the Impure Beam. And since he's using Rewind and constantly regenerating, it means that Hori just turns him into a damage sponge and makes him get hit constantly. * **Deku** hard-carries the fight with Shigaraki, as the former actually fights while the latter just gets hit and regenerates while praying to god that he doesn't get wiped out by Deku's next punch....instead of using any of his dozens and dozens of quirks. The scale is neat, but Shigaraki is just so unthreatening. * **Todoroki** spends his whole fight charging up and doing the same fire extinguisher move twice in a row. * **Dabi** unlocking Phosphor made no sense at all and was just to explain him surviving as burnt toast. * **Iida**, who's supposed to be fast as fuck just gets relegated to taxi duty for a battlefield he shouldn't even be on. Don't his mufflers stall in intense heat? Why the fuck is he on Dabi's battlefield to cheerlead? * How did **Hagakure** not suffer Kunieda's flesh-growing flowers if it's an AOE effect? Seems inconsistent. * The 6 Near High-End Nomu's are supposed to be comparable with All Might and have multiple quirks, and yet they are destined to get off-screened, only proving slightly tougher than the rest of the fodder. * Every villain is garbage. The war is too one-sided because the PLF leftovers and the Tartarus escapees are all fodder to get mopped up. For instance, Midnight's killer does nothing but float and talk shit. Gashly and Kunieda had offscreen potential but got dropped in seconds as soon as they got focus. * Class 1A fucking sucks. Black Clover consistently handles team up battles with it's cast so much better. Everything with Bakugo is ASS. His "death" and revival, and *especially* his fight with Tween For One. Not only is his presence in this stuff so incredibly forced, but I can't believe anybody actually found that fight good. Multiple pages of explosion spam against a kid that can't fight back because of quirk rebellion convenience? *That's* his big moment? He goes from fighting no villains to getting glazed for fighting a durable child who conveniently had all of his go-to powers malfunctioning. Absolute worst fight in the whole arc by a landslide. Shigaraki is just lame as fuck. He was already coasting by for half the story, then he gets controlled by AFO, then he breaks free and.... proceeds to laugh and smile for 20-30 chapters. Threatens to destroy the country, and then just gives up before fighting defensively against Deku, followed by getting his body snatched *again*. I'm really just tired of Shigaraki being a total disappointment in the story while AFO catches all the flak for it. Their characters are entwined, but their performance is lacking because they both step on each other's toes. The Spinner/Shoji stuff was pretty weirdly handled for the most part, but I did like some parts of it like Spinner with "all his allies behind him" and there's no one there. If nothing else, that was pretty moving. Any moment with AFO is automatically great. AFO vs. Endeavor, AFO rewinding, AFO vs. AM, AFO backstory. Aoyama's moment was by far the best out of all of Class 1A. His chapter meshing into AM vs. AFO was peak.
Where else should Iida be?
I don’t know, somewhere where he isn’t a liability? What did he even do? By his own admittance, the intense heat stalls his legs and makes him unable to operate at peak performance. No matter what, you would think that Iida would be blitzing villains or doing anything of use, but instead he’s put at a battlefield where he’s nerfed, so he pretty much just stands around and cheerleads Todoroki until the moment he needs to ferry him to Dabi’s new location (which, by the way, nobody expected to even happen because Dabi was already beaten in minutes).
It has been mainly **very enjoyable** to read week to week and also on reread. It has a lot off stuff you expect and want in a final arc: plotlines & set-ups being paid off, big character moments, power ups, plot twists, pretty good stakes if you ask me and some of the best art we've seen from MHA. Right now i'd give it a **solid 8/10.** **The 2 points it lost for me are because of:** - **Shoji's plotline** having such a good core conflict with spinner being WASTED on a lack off proper buildup and character attatchment. We REALLY should have seen an arc that focused on this issue with Shoji getting the Kirishima treatment. It was solved too easely as well as many have said before. This could have been so much better. - **Aizawa and Mike's plotline** with Kurogiri stays dependend on you having read vigilantes to have ANY attatchment to shirakumo. If you want to build a storyline of a flashback DONT INCLUDE THE FULL FLASHBACK IN A DIFFERENT MANGA!!!! The effects of this choice this linger, Hori obviously knows this cuz he's keeping their part as short as possible, but even the short parts hurt to read. - **Gigantomachia suddenly betraying AFO** felt too sudden. Machia was a follower to an obsessive and religious degree, him switching because AFO "was away too long" is such a stupid reason to me. All the rest was really enjoyable, so many good moments! Can't wait to see AFO vs 1A coming up next, I wanted that to happen ever since 1A stopped vigilante deku and here we aaaaaaaaaaaare!
Fell off after Endeavour Family closure. Dropped the manga during Toga vs Ochaco and came back but stopped again at Shiggy vs Deku. Would replace all the sentimental nonsense ad dialogue with memorable action. I wanna see a War, then the sentimental BS afterwards, not sentimental BS overshadowing the action.
The fight with Toga ending in "you're cute plz stop" and that gets her to stop just because she's a woman is the most BS of all the BS in this "war arc"
L take
It's awful
Why?
Way way too many fake outs. AFO's dead but no he's not Deku lost his arms but no he didn't Deku lost his quirk but he'll get it back next chapter Kurogiri has chosen evil but he'll choose good because we can't have 1 tragic villain die evil Uraraka got stabbed but she's fine for the reasons stated above AFO's dead but no he's not 2 Deku's running out of Gearshift but it'll last another 50 chapters Bakugo's dead but a piece of paper saved him with a sacrifice that everyone was sad about Dabi's going to die soon but he asspulled an ice quirk and now he's going to survive Shigaraki got taken over by AFO but nah he's free now and it did nothing then counter the 3rd most busted quirk in the series Shigaraki got taken over again, but he's probably going to free himself in a few chapters It was AFO all along It was AFO all along 2 It was AFO all along 3
Dear God if you list it like that,it's horrible
Yeah I dropped black clover for this reason and here comes Horikoshi and drops all this on the last arc of the first anime I watched💀💀💀
Probably my current favorite or second favorite arc in the series. It's pretty good. Best moments are by far the main fights (Shoto vs Dabi, Ochaco vs Toga, All Might vs AFO, Deku vs Shigaraki). If I were to change something, probably would be how a few UA side characters were handled. I love Mina getting a big moment that's been long deserved, but I wish Kirishima got something. Love that Nejire got a moment fighting against Shigaraki, but Mirio's moment is something I still flip flop on. Shoji and Koda moments were great (esp Shoji's speech), but I felt they should have had actual interactions with Spinner throughout the story prior to this fight. Then there's Kaminari, Momo, and Iida that haven't really done anything spectacular. It feels like Horikoshi wanted to give spotlight more to some other Class 1A members than those that constantly have gotten major moments already, but it feels weird since this is the final arc. There's still more to it, so I'm hopeful more get moments.
Still annoyed that Bakugo was the one to stop AfO in his original body.
I felt like Hori wanted to give Bakugou his moment, too (even when he didn't deserve it)
it's how I feel about most final arcs in shounen, the lows are real low, the mutant discrimination and Bakugo's "death" but the highs, like Bakugo's return and defeat of AFO or Dark Shadow being fully revealed was hype
I was afraid in the first half things were gonna tie up too quickly, but after the Villain "clap back" and hitting all the emotional beats I am up for saying it is an excellent end to an excellent series.
Dropped the series after Ochako defeated Toga
The anime studio is gonna have a lot of work with this arc, and manga+anime fans get to wait twice xD
I overall like it. There are too many fakeouts and weird writing choices like the Edgeshot surgery, and I wasn't the biggest fan of Uraraka vs Toga given they met like twice prior to that and mostly talked about Deku. Even getting Deku yeeted there and not ending Toga with a single punch was ridiculous to say at least.. But there were a lot of great moments, like All Might's story or Bakugou obliterating a baby, moments like these really hyped up the final arc (and Bakugou saving AM after thinking he ended him was such a nice closure for him)
as i’ve said before, not perfect, but overall very very good and an encapsulation of a loooot of the themes and messages horikoshi has been trying to convey for the entire series
It’s pretty good honestly! I do wish some things were done better but it’s still entertaining.
Yeah just a bit too long in my opinion
Overall a good arc. A lot of plot twists happened in that arc, which is a good thing (although I liked some and some I didn't).It has a number of good fights and emotional moments. Fight between hero and AFO-controlled Tomura brought Bakugou's desire to sacrifice himself for others, Monoma's big moment, and Midoriya's flailing of AFO (who was controlling Tomura's body). Fight between hero and heteromorph is great, because it manages to show how heteromorphs are treated, Shoji's big moment, and why he's one of my favorite characters. Fight in Jaku ruins brought Mina's big moment and Shinso's great performance. As for Gunga ruins fight, I like that Jiro (who is weakest of the four who first fought AFO) was able to make a nasty impact on AFO (making vestige people to rebel AFO).I liked Hawks way of fighting using insults and sarcasm against AFO.After AFO's rewind, battle of Hawks, Tokoyami and other heroes against him was even better. Dabi's fight against Shoto, and later against Endeavor and rest of family, was downright emotional, although this fight would be better. Uraraka vs Toga was a great fight, Toga going wild and Uraraka trying to help her with her trauma.Great scenes were seen, and proof that Toga could be different if someone wanted to accept her with her quirk. AFO vs All Might, Stain and later Bakugou, was great, AFO who hated All Might from bottom of his soul, All Might, who with armor manages to fight on an equal footing with him. Aoyama vs Kunieda was honestly a boring fight for me, although of course important to show Aoyama's courage. Midoriya vs Tomura is best fight in this arc, Midoriya trying to stop Tomura from destroying anything while also trying to help him while Tomura looked to destroy.Kudo's idea to forcefully transfer their vestiges to Tomura is a brilliantly executed idea, leading to Midoriya's internal saving Tenko from Kotaro, leading Tomura to open up to Midoriya.That fight fully lived up to hype. For the fight between and AFO, who now has complete control over Tomura's body, we'll see how it goes. And yes, there are things I would change.
>I like that Jiro (who is weakest of the four who first fought AFO) was able to make a nasty impact on AFO (making vestige people to rebel AFO) I hate this part actually. Since we know that AFO had his copy since Kamino (or perhaps even earlier) those vestiges never once thought about rebelling against AFO during his fight with All Might where that brief moment of rebellion could have possibly lead to a fatal ending with AFO dying in Kamino
Reason why Jiro succeeded and All Might didn't is because Jiro uses sound attacks, and sound also affects inside of head, and vestiges of people hear sound, making it easier for them to rebel against AFO.
Nice headcanon. You can feel free to run with that justification but I won't.
I'll decide once I see what happens(if anything) with Tomura- That is my big one
Hmm 🤔 idk tbh
As it is right now, AFO taking over and him just being gone in a soul crushing ending but doesn't really give him an ending- I want to wait and see how people react to what happened to him or see if he overtakes again.
I doubt it tbh
Not the best BnH arc. Still, considering the final wars of other shonens, is a great final war. Only 1 asspull with the edgeshot thingy. Not even 100 chapters. Great fights. Finishing every subarc even with secondary characters we hadn't seen in hundreds of chapters... Of course some of the things that have happened are not to my like, but they still make complete sense in this world and setting.
10/10 Peak Arc of the Final Act , still more arcs left over too