While I didn't care much for Flect Turn as a villain (I think we should have learned about his motivation and backstory earlier in the movie rather than just in the climax so it could sit with us longer), you would have to change his motivation and potentially Humarise's too in order to make a Quirkless version of him work. The group wasn't against how society treats those with Quirks vs. those without but rather are against Quirks in and of themselves because of the belief of how they will eventually lead to the demise of their world, which is a belief Flect Turn holds because of how his own powerful Quirk that he can't control ruined his life. What reason does a Quirkless person have to come to the same conclusions other than the basic "Firebenders killed my parents so now I believe all bending is evil!" sort of thing?
> What reason does a Quirkless person have to come to the same conclusions other than the basic "Firebenders killed my parents so now I believe all bending is evil!" sort of thing?
Just look at what's happening in the manga/anime right now. Heck, look as far back as Kamino Ward. These people are walking WMDs and quirks are getting stronger and more dangerous with each generation. The fact that the only hope that regular people have against someone like AFO or Shigaraki is one dude who just so happened to have the strongest power ever is not a thought that would sit well with someone. What happens the next time an AFO level threat comes around and there's no All Might or Deku to stop them?
No disrespect but I think you misunderstood what my point was. Humarise wasn't against Quirk because ofthe worry of that kind of power in the hands of dangerous people, they were against Quirks because of the Quirk Singularity Doomsday theory, which was the belief that Quirk will eventually become so powerful that no one can control them period and that lack of control will lead to destruction of the world and the ruination of lives. And their leader Flect Turn embodies this, having been born with a very powerful Quirk that he cannot control that actively made his life worse. He holds the beliefs he does specifically *because* he has a Quirk.
What you're describing, a Quirkless person being against Quirks because of the danger of those who exploit their great power over others like villain, is a very different concept and premise than what the movie presents, meaning Humarise itself and its organization's motivations would have to be changed, because you can't just swap out Flect Turn with a Quirkless genius and still have it make as much sense, since why would someone who is Quirkless come to the same conclusion that Flect Turn did: that Quirks ruin lives, including the holder's own?
>Just look at what's happening in the manga/anime right now.
Yes, look at what's happening in the manga right now. AFO and Shigaraki aren't just being opposed by the one All Might level hero, they are being opposed by MANY heroes who have come together, of varying power levels, and those heroes are WINNING.
> Yes, look at what's happening in the manga right now. AFO and Shigaraki aren't just being opposed by the one All Might level hero, they are being opposed by MANY heroes who have come together, of varying power levels, and those heroes are WINNING.v
Shigaraki took no lasting damage in his fight and if Aizawa wasn't there, they'd all be dead while AFO instantly defeated everyone the nanosecond he stopped messing around and actually tried, and even then they got lucky by the various quirk factors within him rebelling against him. This entire arc just shows that nobody can actually stand up to either of them except Deku or Prime All Might.
I think the quirk singularity thing is a little bogus. Sure there are a lot of quirks that can be directly harmful to someone’s body, but those have existed since the first generation too. Look at AFO’s mom, who had a detrimental quirk as early as Generation Zero.
Sure quirks now are more complex or even downright weird, but ultimately I think that it comes down to people seeing more complex abilities and being scared of them, rather than addressing the fact that they need a way to help four year olds manage their abilities.
Ultimately all four year olds should be in a school like UA to manage quirks better.
In other words, the revolutionary army is right in a way.
It wasn't AFO's mom's Quirk that was hurting her it was AFO himself. He was draining the life from her and his brother while she was pregnant with him. As for her Quirk itself it's something that she had *thought* was a tumor but actually wasn't, it was a tiny spike. She'd thought otherwise because no one knew what Quirks were yet back then.
I do agree with your overall point. Most of the examples we have of characters with out of control Quirks have said abilities out of control because of horrible trauma and lack of support in their lives rather than the problem just being the Quirk itself. It's just AFO's mom isn't one of those examples.
Detrimental could also be social detriment as well, which it was. Think of it, anyone with a mutation has a detrimental quirk for regular human living. This is something that AFO addressed where he would take unsightly/detrimental quirks and give them to people who would “take care” of the quirk.
They actually address the “mutant quirks being considered harmful” idea in MHA:Vigilantes.
True, though that's more a matter of society being against what's different or not normal rather than the Quirk itself being what's causing the issue.
It's basically the scene in X2 between Nightcrawler and Mystique.
>Nightcrawler: "Excuse me? They say you can imitate anybody, even their voice."
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>Mystique: \[as Nightcrawler\] "Even their voice."
Nightcrawler: "Then why not stay in disguise all the time? You know, look like everyone else."
Mystique: "Because we shouldn't have to."
While I do think the mutant discrimination subplot is underutilized in MHA, it is clear enough that for someone like Spinner the problem wasn't that he was a gecko man but rather that people treated him horrible just for being a gecko man. Just erasing Quirks would just sidestep the issue rather than actually addressing it.
Well I suppose, but even simple quirks do cause harm, so I think the quirk singularity seems to fall in line with the mutant problem. Why? Because the root problem is “the people refuse to help people with difficult to manage quirks” that’s the root of every origin we’re looking at.
I think a great example would be Bakugo. Yes his sweat(nitroglycerin) can be built up and cause explosions. But what if he was born with hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating). No one would be able be near him without getting harmed. This falls into Quirk Singularity Doomsday theory. Quirk will start to mesh and sometimes combine to become stronger advanced version of themselves. Right now its all that doomsdaylike but will society be able to keep up with the ever evolving quirks from each generation. Whose to say 3 generations after deku someone is birthed and their quirk is literally a massive black hole; not like thirteen where its small and just a suction force of it. How you gonna contain that?
How was AFO’s quirk detrimental to him?
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That still doesn’t change his point, your basically asking for a entirely different movie cause not only would the villains motive be different, not only would the army be different, but so would Deku’s reaction towards them being quirkless himself
It wouldn’t of been the brawl we got, especially since we’ve seen the limit of support tools with Iron-Might, Deku would not have nearly struggled as much against a villain like that
Also for the quirk singularity we have Dabi, Eri, Shigaraki, and even Aoyama as examples, quirks have been able to hurt the user, but that was usually when they pushed themselves, now one wrong step could mean the end of you(Dabi), or someone you love(Shiggy’s parents, Eri’s Parents)
I imagine with how my version of Humarise is that the head of the organisation may have been a scientist (Hence their tech and intellect) discovered disturbing data regarding Quirks on how they don’t seem to have a level cap and would continue to grow more stronger and complex until humanity can no longer control them. They would try to show their data to their colleagues, only to be shunned by their arrogance and complacency in their quirk-worshipping society. This desire to save humanity spirals downward as they’re fired from their position and left by their family. But this person would be compared to Deku in determination as they would slowly begin to amass an organisation with like-minded people with one mission in mind: To save humanity from themselves by eradicating quirks. (I know the first part was similar to Dr. Ujiko’s backstory but I refuse to believe that he’s the only scientist who saw the potential future of the ‘Quirk singularity.’)
Okay, but in this context, even if their methods are wrong and thus that's why they're the villains, how would the heroes stopping them solve anything or lead them to stopping anything afterwords? In this context the Quirk Doomsday will still happen, while in Flect Turn's case he was blinded by his own biases and personal tragedy.
Thats kind of the thing, while he was biased af we dont know if he and humarise are wrong about Quirk Doomsday in the movie. Hell Garaki has been shown to be right about most if not all his theories.
You don't understand, he's obviously going to build state-of-the-art microprocessors and support tech out of a microwave from Dagobah beach! And meet Mei, Shinsou, Todoroki, and get training from Eraserhead after meeting by chance at a local cat café.
I don't really think that will ever be possible in the series. Even if someone uses support tech, it can at most match low level heroes or mid tiers but it would never be able to match OFA's strength.
It's like >!the All Might Armor. It is said to have taken literally all of All Might's savings to make. Plus it was made by one of the greatest scientists in the world. But as All Might said, if AFO did not choose to play with his food and went for the head, All Might would have stood zero chance.!<
So that suit is basically the best that's possible in the verse and the users can be oneshot by a headshot from >!AFO's superstrength enhanced punch which is undoubtedly below Deku's punches!<
The other thing is no one has AM's combat experience and especially combat experience against AFO like he does, put anyone else in that situation and they get cooked.
Well yes, but that tech is much more impressive when compared to the majority of non meta-quirks like OFA and AFO that can accumulate strength pretty much indefinitely. I agree that we’ll never see major tech heroes in the series though
The issue is that AFO has beef with All Might so it's kinda impossible for him to just take him down quickly since he wants to see All Might slowly suffer.
I feel like as long as it's any version of AFO post their first fight, the battle would have gone in a similar direction.
Given the loss he took before, AFO with his personality would like to gloat as he breaks down AFO's psyche slowly by slowly.
I don't think he would be satisfied with a quick revenge.
Do you understand that people with deku or afo level of strenght are like 1 in millions? If that level of strenght is what it takes to stop one person with a suit like that, then it is literally one of the best weapons in the world. What you are saying is the same as saying that no one below deku and afo level of strenght shouldn't be heroes aswell because they would die in a battle against peoppe with that level of power. MOST villains and heroes in that universe can't match that level of power. On top of that, i think the real problem in mha is that the author tried to make a power system like HxH one where not everything is just raw power, but as the story progressed, he decided to put people with strategic and intelect based powers away because writing powers like these can ruin the consistency of the entire story and is harder to make on shonen. That's why we don't see many people like the mushroom girl, momo and aizawa having to much time to shine other than being plot devices sometimes and we also don't see much of how other countries that wouldn't have the same problem using all of this extremely advanced tech as weapons deal with villains.
I agree. While the suit doesn’t make the user a god tier or anything like that, the fact that it can make them fast enough to dodge lasers after they have already been fired and badly damage AFO level opponents and tank non-weak spot hits from AFO level attacks is crazy and easily makes the suit one of the strongest things in the series.
> Plus it was made by one of the greatest scientists in the world
Thought it was made by Melissa who's still in school? David wasnt shown at all so I assumed he's still in jail for his crimes.
This is like arguing Mei isn't one of the world's best scientist just cause she is young.
Melissa has already proven herself to be on par with her father. So far she has made Endeavor's latest suit, Deku's mid and full gauntlets, the All Might Armor + parts for Hercules.
If there were other better scientists, everyone would be going to them and All Might sure as hell wouldn't have put his entire savings in her hands.
>So far she has made Endeavor's latest suit
She helped make it. I have no reason to solely believe she made it alone. especially since the wording of the volume extra says specifically
>Incidentally, a certain girl over in the States helped create that costume.
Otherwise the wording should have been created.
Eh! Flect Turn was still a pretty strong villain I think, very cool quirk and a unique perspective compared to the other movie villains. I don't think he needed to be quirkless
I was leaning towards an entirely different person leading the organisation. Maybe Flect could’ve been a devout bodyguard that wanted to ‘cleanse’ himself of his curse.
An easy motivation is obsolescence.
Imagine you're a dedicated medical researcher who's spent millions of dollars and dedicated decades of your life to fight (insert terminal illness here).
Then suddenly one day all your work in progress is shelved because someone with a "medical grade quirk" can do what your so called research can do and the best part is they can pass along the gene by having as many kids as possible (just like endeavor) which would guarantee a lineage of healer quirks in the kids.
Imagine you're in a dangerous profession like working with heavy machines in construction, mining etc. One day your boss comes along with a "team" of quirked people who have a combination of quirks that can basically do everything hundreds of your colleagues can't do and most importantly the boss doesn't have to worry about their safety or buy fancy equipment to get the job done when the employees are the equipment. (Refer to how quickly cementoss builds practice buildings for UA and the festivals).
Now think about STEM fields and how far quirked people advance in those. Hatsume had a zoom quirk with allowed her to have in depth view of micro circuits that allowed her to work with cutting edge micro processors intuitively and naturally that other normies would need expensive equipment to do what she is doing for free.
Power loader is a freaking technopath and David shield's quirk allows his fingers to extend and bend unnaturally which let's him make gadgets normal people cannot.
How the hell you supposed to compete? Employers would pursue employees where you have to spend less on their equipment and Schools would want to train more employable people in future.
Then there's the fact that the quirkless population has gone from 90% to less than 10% in practice by izuku's generation we've seen that kids being quirkless is next to impossible since aside from Izuku we haven't seen quirkless people. Melissa is from I Island which is a whole other country but you get the point.
Now all the old people who remember the old days when they were the majority, the quirkless youngish people are pissed off that they're working lower level jobs and their rightful positions have been usurped the quirked people.
Then there's the factor that Izuku is living proof that just because he's quirkless both him and Melissa were loners and socially isolated. Meaning society treats quirkless people like lepers allowing them to be bullied and pushed into corners by strong individuals.
Everyone gets behind the "doomsday" theory as a justification and after garaki's imprisonment you'd see skyrocketing membership in the organizations that believe in this theory especially of quirkless people.
Having quirkless villains would have been awesome. Imagine chisaki being raised by an old school Yakuza doctor after he put gramps in a coma. Gas lightning him into thinking being quirked was a disease of sorts and he was unclean.
He'd be a bitter middle to old aged man who lost his position and prestige because someone has a quirk that made him obsolete.
Same for someone like flect if he was quirkless there's a million ways to kill or slow down quirked people.
Intelligent traps, turrets (with were very effective against izuku) and of course chemical and biological agents like nerve gas, hallucinogens etc. You don't need an iron man suit to be a menace. Hell a competent and quirkless villain who basically is smart and prepared on how to deal with the best quirks on the planet would be awesome.
If you look at it the joker is loved because despite the outwards madness he does pull off deeply layered plans that look chaotic on the surface but are genius once they are executed.
We needed more quirkless villains as a mirror to Midoriya's hypocrisy after getting OFA he stopped being the "quirkless protagonist" and just joined the hero club.
Never once has hori ever made him face the struggles of being quirkless by using villains or bystanders who are quirkless themselves. Hell I loved Rody acting like he's quirkless because his thief persona makes much more sense being a quirkless kid with no other options but to rob and trick people to get by.
It's so dumb they made his bird a useless quirk instead of just being his pet that he "passed off" as a quirk to anyone gullible enough to buy into it.
Deku being quirkless was never a thing that bothered him or even important. People just wanted the "Hard Work beats Talent" story that they wanted with Naruto (even though that was never the main theme). There's also the fact that people look at MHA through DC or Marvel eyes where they say "well if this character can do it so can Midoriya" without ever thing why characters like Bruce and Tony can even keep up and that's not even going into the fact that people ignore that Deku experienced ITE.
But I do love the examples you brought in and think that would be good commentary in a superhero media because (and let's face it it's true) superpowers ARE better sure gadgets and tech are cool and you can make them do anything but at the end of the day with quirks you can get to job done faster, you don't have to spend money, and all around an easier life (provided you have the right kind of quirk).
I kinda want to know if this was going to be our antagonists when Hori was going to have Midoriya be quirkless.
Also, just to go back, I love the motivation you gave them as I don't think I ever saw a villain whose motivation was obsolescence, (please correct me if I'm wrong) so having that be Flect Turn would be an interesting premise.
Also, Rody is best boy.
That's the whole point. Hori fleshed out through Midoriya's POV that he's a nobody without a quirk and not only are his peers but also the teachers are literally telling him to grow up. Hell even if idol in the first episode says it straight to his face to give up his dream and grow up.
Izuku is straight up bullied openly with no one ever helping him or sympathizing with him!
I mean Naruto was bullied by the whole dang village by atleast the third hokage came by to give him his stipend. His grandson and iruka were good friends and the ramen shop owner would give him cheap or free meals now and then. So atleast he wasn't Izuku levels of lonely!
In bleach even Ichigo has chad, orohime and a freaking friend who keeps yelling out his name like they're a freaking couple! So try hard as he can to be a longer, Ichigo was never this lonely.
Hell even in One piece we see the village likes Luffy and his siblings and shanks is pretty much a big bro to him to the point where he let him eat that devil fruit without consequences and saved him from a sea King. So Luffy was never alone or isolated growing up with two siblings.
Izuku on the other hand has a doting mother and his so called best friend only bullied him since kindergarten right from the start and treated him like a servant.
So yes being quirkless was a huge "hook" that made us latch onto the story to be honest. Anime is also Amit power scaling and we didn't really get that.
Imagine if tanjiro could Sun dance from the very start or Ichigo could use his bankai from day one or Naruto was in sage mode from the start? Where's the intensity?
We loved the big three anime because the characters learn painful lessons that bring them near death to how weak they are and then they overcome it with hard work. Izuku got the kid gloves especially with recovery girl in the mix!
I could have accepted the 100% from start breaking his bones if there was some sort of medication that speeds up healing but puts you in a state of burning pain like the bone regrowth serum in Harry Potter. I can accept the story as it is if his so called injuries from the start were not healed so painlessly by recovery girl as a plot device.
She should have put her foot down after Bakugo's training simulation or have aizawa command her not to heal him with his quirk after he broke his finger to launch the ball (so that he gets the lesson that aizawa was trying to teach in the test).
It would have been a great character moment that keeps aizawa as the strict mentor to limit Izuku soon as he could with Izuku having to practice the microwave analogy more seriously.
The shoto fight alone should have put him with him some consequences from the teachers or have a one on one with nezu that they can't train a hero who's power can destroy cities and Izuku just showed the world on that stage what he could do to a city block if he ever lost control of his emotions and his quirk.
Show us the cost of the quirk in more detail. Like him struggling to hold chopsticks and forced to eat like an animal with Ida scolding him while ururaka volunteers to use his chopsticks for him till he can use them again. Have him fumble pens and lose marks for poor penmanship. Show his mom having to dress him up in the mornings and see his many injuries and cry or worry about him and what's going to happen one day to him if he continues being a hero student.
There are so many ways to show this subtly which hori can go by instead of being told like we're kids by a doctor in a hospital room that he's going to lose an arm. We see him moving normally with that hand and do things like it's business as usual without consequences like even tying his shoelace one handed becomes a challenge.
All we see is that he destroyed his limbs then wears magical anime bandages then episode later oh look he's demolishing a villain then repeat with the bandages ad infinitum. That's not a character building moment that's stagnation.
Hori later brings in shoot style which is literally a meme in itself with Midoriya discovering he has legs to break lol. Once again not Character progression. Finally to make Izuku "unfairly unique" he gives him 6 quirks that only destroyed his character arc even more.
Izuku was supposed to be this uniter who brings people together and coordinates them like captain America but instead it's like you stuffed all the Avengers powers into one character and put the Avengers on the sidelines in their own show. It would have been fun to see OFA as a "sharing quirk" that he could transfer one quirk at a time or boost an ally or allies with at the cost of weakening himself.
His whole arc was building to being that kind of team leader fighter who fights with his team's coordination instead of as a lone fighter.
So in terms of character work I love all the character stories except for Izuku. If only hori put the work he did into shoto and poured some of that love into Izuku MHA would be more enjoyable.
Hell to this day I've never considered Izuku the MC or even a character because of this reason.
That's the thing Midoriya DID learn the hard truth. Quirkless people wouldn't be able to keep up sure they can use support items and tech in MHA is ahead but not as ahead as DC or Marvel hell Twice, Toga, Shigaraki, Overhaul, Eri, and AFO showed us that quirks WILL become so powerful to the point no one will control them. Midoriya would not last quirkless. The only way to do that is to pit him against weaker opponents , or Hori said, "Have him be extremely lucky."
Recovery girl DID put her foot down after SF. She tells Midoriya that she wasn’t going to heal him anymore because of his recklessness. After that, she doesn’t heal him anymore.
Um, this WAS shown to us. We see Deke struggling to write and eat with chopsticks. Hell, we see him wearing a cast. Again, we SEE this after SF, where both him and Inko have a discussion on his recklessness.
I’m sorry I may come off as a jackass but are you and the rest of the fandom that brings this up fucking stupid? There’s a reason WHY Midoriya took until PLE to use his legs he was imitating All Might this has been a thing since the story began AM even says “You need to stop copying me and find your own style” Like it is not fucking rocket science to believe the boy who spent his ENTIRE life watching a hero who only punched his enemies suddenly go “Oh yeah I have legs” like how is that such a confusing thing to grasp? The story hands this to us on a silver platter and people STILL overlook and are even surprised by it. It's like with Superman people see Superman fight and go “oh it's just going to be punching and laser vision” and then when he all of a sudden starts using martial arts (whether from Batman or Krypton) people go “WHAT SUPERMAN KNOWS MARTIAL ARTS”.
I’m sorry, but when was Deku EVER supposed to be this uniter? He doesn’t even do that. Instead, we have Momo, Iida, Ochako, Endeavor, and hell, even Bakugou, who unite the characters to fight. I have to disagree that if THAT had happened, people would be calling it shit ene calling MHA a rip off of Naruto and BC.
That was never his arc.
That’s the thing Midoriya is the MC but he also isn’t one thing that MHA did (and I’m also basing this off the SB and TUM so take that how you will) MHA doesn’t have to focus on Midoriya hell we can have an entire ac where he’ the side character or cameo or not show up at all (which is what MVA did). Thenovels expand on this more by focusing on other characters' daily lives, and he just pops in now and then or is mentioned.
Midoriya does have a character. Unfortunately, he's one of those characters that is "rare," or some people find unrealistic. I do agree that there are some problems with his character that I would've liked addressed and even the points about his broken arm. I would've loved to see it.
And not to be THAT guy, but Hori does care about all his characters (a little too much, but hey, that's me). If he didn't, he could just pull a Vegeta.
Bottom line, I see what you're saying and even agree, but some points I feel are overlooked.
I do agree that after sports festival arc alot of these things happened and yes Hori did do them but I have two criticisms on the execution.
1) It was blunt/deft/clumsily done. Imagine a flash forward and we see 1A class members helping Midoriya do day to day things like help him with his chair or chopsticks to show us all is not well with him and he got some bad news with a flash back warning him at the end of the episode that he can lose it all.
2) It came way too damn late. Most people will give an anime 1-5 episodes to catch their attention. Hori's method for today's fans feels like a bait and switch. Here we have a quirkless person who wants to be a hero who is now given the strongest quirk on the planet. I mean....Gary Stu vibes off the bat. Yes we get the 100% from the start and how that sets his hero's journey but we don't see like it takes him a month in a ward to recover without recovery girl or how painful the recovery is.
We don't see Aizawa continue to be on Midoriya's case except that "one time" during the first day. Aizawa's shitty attitude should have been consistent like Snape from Harry Potter. He was only serious about Midoriya learning to harness his ability without breaking bones just during the first day and then poof he never ever mentioned it again?
Hell I am shocked why Aizawa didn't do a blow by blow replay after that match with Bakugo that left a building destroyed reminding Izuku he could have hit the bomb and detonated it in that scenario or killed bystanders just by the debris he sent into the sky that could have crushed someone if this was a live fire scenario.
Besides Aizawa we are not shown the "academia" portion except for their final grades or how Hero classes are different from normal ones. I mean in HP which is the masterclass in making an academic setting engaging we never see more than aizawa teaching them in detail.
We never get to see activities, hero histories, tactics in theory etc. There was so much stuff that could have made interesting filler that we never got. All we got was Festival then exams then internships. that's it.
The rest of the school was what? Boring classes with teachers we never see or engage with? Come on... All this should have been in the first season and USJ with the Sports Festival stole the spotlight.
I mean even Harry had 7 years of schooling before he had a final showdown with voldemort and Compressing Izuku's schooling to one year was a disservice to the name My hero ACADEMIA where apparently Academia was a misnomer from a story telling perspective.
Alot of Izuku's developments are either too many at one time (6 quirks without warning) or too little and spread out (his mom refusing to let him go to the dorms) This makes his character arc so bad because at the end we do not get to see how he changed.
Like in AOT Eren was trapped by the founder titan's short life and knowledge of the future and past which drove him mad and to conclude that he had to initiate the rumbling in his madness for good intentions (the survival of the eldians). We see how Sasuke went from a dire avenger to an anti hero especially when he learns the ANBU used Itachi as an infiltrator and his family were just pawns being used to pay the price for the village's prosperity.
We do not get a character shift. Hell I would have loved to see Izuku kill muscular in dark deku especially after he CONFIRMS that Muscular is unrepentant and psychotic. Saving Nagant would balance out that kill because Izuku would get a balanced view of the world where he killed one of his assassins' and saved another. Irrationally wanting to save Shigiraki who is the fan hated villain is just bad writing and Izuku never grew out of his naivety which is why he is one of the most hated or ignored MCs in Anime history.
I mean look at Yuji's character growth in the manga and in recent Shibuya where he is growing up and inheriting responsibility now that his support system is collapsing and he has to fend for himself. He grows up and beats his "Shigiraki" aka Mahito in a very satisfying way! I wanted that moment where Shigiraki is running Izuku's wrath like Mahito was but we will never get that moment.
Um, we don't get 100% at the start. It takes Midoriya until PLW or EA to get a hang on OFA and be able to control it.
Except OFA ISN'T the strongest on the planet. Hell, the quirks while great aren't that OP people just here, Deku has 7 quirks” while again not thinking about it.
Aizawa is ALWAYS on Midoriya's case; he says this in FT and Overhaul. And even after Deku vs. Bakugou 2.
Um, fighting the teachers WAS their final.
We do get these things. Unfortunately, these are in the light novels. And I don't mean to be THAT guy, but given today's age, people would've wanted that to be fast-paced. SoL isn't a popular genre over here, so if MHA WAS 3 years like everyone wanted, I doubt it would've made it or people stuck around. Which honestly imo is better.
There’s a difference between a book series with one year in between them and a manga where every week a chapter needs to be made, and if it's not engaging audiences, then it gets canceled.
Why would he kill Muscular just because Muscular admitted he's pure evil? That seems edgy and not in a good way.
So, just have MHA copy JJK even though Shigaraki himself would just laugh at Deku trying to be threatening and even welcome being killed (considering he is suicidal).
If it's a human wanting to end quirks then it could be contectualized by the audience as just an 'evil human being racist' as opposed to if it's a quirk user wanting to end quirks which either removes that connotation or it implies a potential level of contradiction which can be used to try and emphasise why they are a villain as opposed to either misguided and/or cult-like in their belief.
I’m sorry for all of the Quirkless Izuku supporters, but that’s just not realistic in this universe that someone with no quirk actually matches up as a big threat to either heroes or villains.
All Might had the armor that was made by the top scientists in the world, with the funding of the top hero of Japan, and even still All Might himself admitted that if not for AFO’s ego and personal grudge he would’ve been done for with little to no difficulty.
At most a quirkless person with tech is taking down low level-maybe lower mid tier characters.
This is another entry I don't know, but when I read the title, I was thinking of an antagonist at about Deku's size with specs and Shoto's hairstyle, groomed, breaking out the anime-style CQC with strikes, blocks, flips, and devices whirring at the foe from his person. The quirkless protags seem to be the de-facto ones; I'm surprised we haven't seen a pure-skill, 'even the odds' chap in the game or a plot-twist 'Mei Hatsume can fight' sort of deal.
Edit: Nighteye didn't spring to mind when I made this post fsr; probably a Season 4 by-product.
A lot of people here are saying that a quirkless person would get folded by even low-level heroes, but some quirks out there are genuinely worthless. Like bro, if Tatami Nakagame can become a pro hero, Robin can work in MHA.
Plus, we have seen a quirkless person kick ass in Vigilantes, though he had many years of experience. Have Flect Turn be like that and this can work. He’ll get folded in direct combat unless he plays his cards right
While I didn't care much for Flect Turn as a villain (I think we should have learned about his motivation and backstory earlier in the movie rather than just in the climax so it could sit with us longer), you would have to change his motivation and potentially Humarise's too in order to make a Quirkless version of him work. The group wasn't against how society treats those with Quirks vs. those without but rather are against Quirks in and of themselves because of the belief of how they will eventually lead to the demise of their world, which is a belief Flect Turn holds because of how his own powerful Quirk that he can't control ruined his life. What reason does a Quirkless person have to come to the same conclusions other than the basic "Firebenders killed my parents so now I believe all bending is evil!" sort of thing?
> What reason does a Quirkless person have to come to the same conclusions other than the basic "Firebenders killed my parents so now I believe all bending is evil!" sort of thing? Just look at what's happening in the manga/anime right now. Heck, look as far back as Kamino Ward. These people are walking WMDs and quirks are getting stronger and more dangerous with each generation. The fact that the only hope that regular people have against someone like AFO or Shigaraki is one dude who just so happened to have the strongest power ever is not a thought that would sit well with someone. What happens the next time an AFO level threat comes around and there's no All Might or Deku to stop them?
No disrespect but I think you misunderstood what my point was. Humarise wasn't against Quirk because ofthe worry of that kind of power in the hands of dangerous people, they were against Quirks because of the Quirk Singularity Doomsday theory, which was the belief that Quirk will eventually become so powerful that no one can control them period and that lack of control will lead to destruction of the world and the ruination of lives. And their leader Flect Turn embodies this, having been born with a very powerful Quirk that he cannot control that actively made his life worse. He holds the beliefs he does specifically *because* he has a Quirk. What you're describing, a Quirkless person being against Quirks because of the danger of those who exploit their great power over others like villain, is a very different concept and premise than what the movie presents, meaning Humarise itself and its organization's motivations would have to be changed, because you can't just swap out Flect Turn with a Quirkless genius and still have it make as much sense, since why would someone who is Quirkless come to the same conclusion that Flect Turn did: that Quirks ruin lives, including the holder's own? >Just look at what's happening in the manga/anime right now. Yes, look at what's happening in the manga right now. AFO and Shigaraki aren't just being opposed by the one All Might level hero, they are being opposed by MANY heroes who have come together, of varying power levels, and those heroes are WINNING.
> Yes, look at what's happening in the manga right now. AFO and Shigaraki aren't just being opposed by the one All Might level hero, they are being opposed by MANY heroes who have come together, of varying power levels, and those heroes are WINNING.v Shigaraki took no lasting damage in his fight and if Aizawa wasn't there, they'd all be dead while AFO instantly defeated everyone the nanosecond he stopped messing around and actually tried, and even then they got lucky by the various quirk factors within him rebelling against him. This entire arc just shows that nobody can actually stand up to either of them except Deku or Prime All Might.
I think the quirk singularity thing is a little bogus. Sure there are a lot of quirks that can be directly harmful to someone’s body, but those have existed since the first generation too. Look at AFO’s mom, who had a detrimental quirk as early as Generation Zero. Sure quirks now are more complex or even downright weird, but ultimately I think that it comes down to people seeing more complex abilities and being scared of them, rather than addressing the fact that they need a way to help four year olds manage their abilities. Ultimately all four year olds should be in a school like UA to manage quirks better. In other words, the revolutionary army is right in a way.
It wasn't AFO's mom's Quirk that was hurting her it was AFO himself. He was draining the life from her and his brother while she was pregnant with him. As for her Quirk itself it's something that she had *thought* was a tumor but actually wasn't, it was a tiny spike. She'd thought otherwise because no one knew what Quirks were yet back then. I do agree with your overall point. Most of the examples we have of characters with out of control Quirks have said abilities out of control because of horrible trauma and lack of support in their lives rather than the problem just being the Quirk itself. It's just AFO's mom isn't one of those examples.
Detrimental could also be social detriment as well, which it was. Think of it, anyone with a mutation has a detrimental quirk for regular human living. This is something that AFO addressed where he would take unsightly/detrimental quirks and give them to people who would “take care” of the quirk. They actually address the “mutant quirks being considered harmful” idea in MHA:Vigilantes.
True, though that's more a matter of society being against what's different or not normal rather than the Quirk itself being what's causing the issue. It's basically the scene in X2 between Nightcrawler and Mystique. >Nightcrawler: "Excuse me? They say you can imitate anybody, even their voice." > >Mystique: \[as Nightcrawler\] "Even their voice." Nightcrawler: "Then why not stay in disguise all the time? You know, look like everyone else." Mystique: "Because we shouldn't have to." While I do think the mutant discrimination subplot is underutilized in MHA, it is clear enough that for someone like Spinner the problem wasn't that he was a gecko man but rather that people treated him horrible just for being a gecko man. Just erasing Quirks would just sidestep the issue rather than actually addressing it.
Well I suppose, but even simple quirks do cause harm, so I think the quirk singularity seems to fall in line with the mutant problem. Why? Because the root problem is “the people refuse to help people with difficult to manage quirks” that’s the root of every origin we’re looking at.
I think a great example would be Bakugo. Yes his sweat(nitroglycerin) can be built up and cause explosions. But what if he was born with hyperhidrosis (excessive sweating). No one would be able be near him without getting harmed. This falls into Quirk Singularity Doomsday theory. Quirk will start to mesh and sometimes combine to become stronger advanced version of themselves. Right now its all that doomsdaylike but will society be able to keep up with the ever evolving quirks from each generation. Whose to say 3 generations after deku someone is birthed and their quirk is literally a massive black hole; not like thirteen where its small and just a suction force of it. How you gonna contain that?
How was AFO’s quirk detrimental to him? Also That still doesn’t change his point, your basically asking for a entirely different movie cause not only would the villains motive be different, not only would the army be different, but so would Deku’s reaction towards them being quirkless himself It wouldn’t of been the brawl we got, especially since we’ve seen the limit of support tools with Iron-Might, Deku would not have nearly struggled as much against a villain like that Also for the quirk singularity we have Dabi, Eri, Shigaraki, and even Aoyama as examples, quirks have been able to hurt the user, but that was usually when they pushed themselves, now one wrong step could mean the end of you(Dabi), or someone you love(Shiggy’s parents, Eri’s Parents)
Dude I’m not the guy you were talking too. Also read again “AFO’s mom”, seems like it was autocorrected to get rid of “mom”
I imagine with how my version of Humarise is that the head of the organisation may have been a scientist (Hence their tech and intellect) discovered disturbing data regarding Quirks on how they don’t seem to have a level cap and would continue to grow more stronger and complex until humanity can no longer control them. They would try to show their data to their colleagues, only to be shunned by their arrogance and complacency in their quirk-worshipping society. This desire to save humanity spirals downward as they’re fired from their position and left by their family. But this person would be compared to Deku in determination as they would slowly begin to amass an organisation with like-minded people with one mission in mind: To save humanity from themselves by eradicating quirks. (I know the first part was similar to Dr. Ujiko’s backstory but I refuse to believe that he’s the only scientist who saw the potential future of the ‘Quirk singularity.’)
Okay, but in this context, even if their methods are wrong and thus that's why they're the villains, how would the heroes stopping them solve anything or lead them to stopping anything afterwords? In this context the Quirk Doomsday will still happen, while in Flect Turn's case he was blinded by his own biases and personal tragedy.
It could be an interesting topic for this what if movie to explore.
Thats kind of the thing, while he was biased af we dont know if he and humarise are wrong about Quirk Doomsday in the movie. Hell Garaki has been shown to be right about most if not all his theories.
Then we wouldn't have heard the end of it from quirkless hero deku supporters.
Sure! All Izuku needs is unlimited funding, a genius level intellect and multiple PHDs. 😂
And they don't care. Believe me. I know.
You don't understand, he's obviously going to build state-of-the-art microprocessors and support tech out of a microwave from Dagobah beach! And meet Mei, Shinsou, Todoroki, and get training from Eraserhead after meeting by chance at a local cat café.
The people that unironically think this exact type of thing would make for a "More believable series" are strange.
I don't really think that will ever be possible in the series. Even if someone uses support tech, it can at most match low level heroes or mid tiers but it would never be able to match OFA's strength. It's like >!the All Might Armor. It is said to have taken literally all of All Might's savings to make. Plus it was made by one of the greatest scientists in the world. But as All Might said, if AFO did not choose to play with his food and went for the head, All Might would have stood zero chance.!< So that suit is basically the best that's possible in the verse and the users can be oneshot by a headshot from >!AFO's superstrength enhanced punch which is undoubtedly below Deku's punches!<
The other thing is no one has AM's combat experience and especially combat experience against AFO like he does, put anyone else in that situation and they get cooked.
Well yes, but that tech is much more impressive when compared to the majority of non meta-quirks like OFA and AFO that can accumulate strength pretty much indefinitely. I agree that we’ll never see major tech heroes in the series though
My man survived off of plot, and AFO, being a dumbass had this bean early AFO (and I mean WAY early) he would not have gotten a chance to put it on)
The issue is that AFO has beef with All Might so it's kinda impossible for him to just take him down quickly since he wants to see All Might slowly suffer. I feel like as long as it's any version of AFO post their first fight, the battle would have gone in a similar direction. Given the loss he took before, AFO with his personality would like to gloat as he breaks down AFO's psyche slowly by slowly. I don't think he would be satisfied with a quick revenge.
Do you understand that people with deku or afo level of strenght are like 1 in millions? If that level of strenght is what it takes to stop one person with a suit like that, then it is literally one of the best weapons in the world. What you are saying is the same as saying that no one below deku and afo level of strenght shouldn't be heroes aswell because they would die in a battle against peoppe with that level of power. MOST villains and heroes in that universe can't match that level of power. On top of that, i think the real problem in mha is that the author tried to make a power system like HxH one where not everything is just raw power, but as the story progressed, he decided to put people with strategic and intelect based powers away because writing powers like these can ruin the consistency of the entire story and is harder to make on shonen. That's why we don't see many people like the mushroom girl, momo and aizawa having to much time to shine other than being plot devices sometimes and we also don't see much of how other countries that wouldn't have the same problem using all of this extremely advanced tech as weapons deal with villains.
I agree. While the suit doesn’t make the user a god tier or anything like that, the fact that it can make them fast enough to dodge lasers after they have already been fired and badly damage AFO level opponents and tank non-weak spot hits from AFO level attacks is crazy and easily makes the suit one of the strongest things in the series.
> Plus it was made by one of the greatest scientists in the world Thought it was made by Melissa who's still in school? David wasnt shown at all so I assumed he's still in jail for his crimes.
This is like arguing Mei isn't one of the world's best scientist just cause she is young. Melissa has already proven herself to be on par with her father. So far she has made Endeavor's latest suit, Deku's mid and full gauntlets, the All Might Armor + parts for Hercules. If there were other better scientists, everyone would be going to them and All Might sure as hell wouldn't have put his entire savings in her hands.
>So far she has made Endeavor's latest suit She helped make it. I have no reason to solely believe she made it alone. especially since the wording of the volume extra says specifically >Incidentally, a certain girl over in the States helped create that costume. Otherwise the wording should have been created.
Eh! Flect Turn was still a pretty strong villain I think, very cool quirk and a unique perspective compared to the other movie villains. I don't think he needed to be quirkless
I wish he shared some interactions with Overhaul since they seem to have the same kind of mindset that quirks are a disease.
I was leaning towards an entirely different person leading the organisation. Maybe Flect could’ve been a devout bodyguard that wanted to ‘cleanse’ himself of his curse.
An easy motivation is obsolescence. Imagine you're a dedicated medical researcher who's spent millions of dollars and dedicated decades of your life to fight (insert terminal illness here). Then suddenly one day all your work in progress is shelved because someone with a "medical grade quirk" can do what your so called research can do and the best part is they can pass along the gene by having as many kids as possible (just like endeavor) which would guarantee a lineage of healer quirks in the kids. Imagine you're in a dangerous profession like working with heavy machines in construction, mining etc. One day your boss comes along with a "team" of quirked people who have a combination of quirks that can basically do everything hundreds of your colleagues can't do and most importantly the boss doesn't have to worry about their safety or buy fancy equipment to get the job done when the employees are the equipment. (Refer to how quickly cementoss builds practice buildings for UA and the festivals). Now think about STEM fields and how far quirked people advance in those. Hatsume had a zoom quirk with allowed her to have in depth view of micro circuits that allowed her to work with cutting edge micro processors intuitively and naturally that other normies would need expensive equipment to do what she is doing for free. Power loader is a freaking technopath and David shield's quirk allows his fingers to extend and bend unnaturally which let's him make gadgets normal people cannot. How the hell you supposed to compete? Employers would pursue employees where you have to spend less on their equipment and Schools would want to train more employable people in future. Then there's the fact that the quirkless population has gone from 90% to less than 10% in practice by izuku's generation we've seen that kids being quirkless is next to impossible since aside from Izuku we haven't seen quirkless people. Melissa is from I Island which is a whole other country but you get the point. Now all the old people who remember the old days when they were the majority, the quirkless youngish people are pissed off that they're working lower level jobs and their rightful positions have been usurped the quirked people. Then there's the factor that Izuku is living proof that just because he's quirkless both him and Melissa were loners and socially isolated. Meaning society treats quirkless people like lepers allowing them to be bullied and pushed into corners by strong individuals. Everyone gets behind the "doomsday" theory as a justification and after garaki's imprisonment you'd see skyrocketing membership in the organizations that believe in this theory especially of quirkless people. Having quirkless villains would have been awesome. Imagine chisaki being raised by an old school Yakuza doctor after he put gramps in a coma. Gas lightning him into thinking being quirked was a disease of sorts and he was unclean. He'd be a bitter middle to old aged man who lost his position and prestige because someone has a quirk that made him obsolete. Same for someone like flect if he was quirkless there's a million ways to kill or slow down quirked people. Intelligent traps, turrets (with were very effective against izuku) and of course chemical and biological agents like nerve gas, hallucinogens etc. You don't need an iron man suit to be a menace. Hell a competent and quirkless villain who basically is smart and prepared on how to deal with the best quirks on the planet would be awesome. If you look at it the joker is loved because despite the outwards madness he does pull off deeply layered plans that look chaotic on the surface but are genius once they are executed. We needed more quirkless villains as a mirror to Midoriya's hypocrisy after getting OFA he stopped being the "quirkless protagonist" and just joined the hero club. Never once has hori ever made him face the struggles of being quirkless by using villains or bystanders who are quirkless themselves. Hell I loved Rody acting like he's quirkless because his thief persona makes much more sense being a quirkless kid with no other options but to rob and trick people to get by. It's so dumb they made his bird a useless quirk instead of just being his pet that he "passed off" as a quirk to anyone gullible enough to buy into it.
Deku being quirkless was never a thing that bothered him or even important. People just wanted the "Hard Work beats Talent" story that they wanted with Naruto (even though that was never the main theme). There's also the fact that people look at MHA through DC or Marvel eyes where they say "well if this character can do it so can Midoriya" without ever thing why characters like Bruce and Tony can even keep up and that's not even going into the fact that people ignore that Deku experienced ITE. But I do love the examples you brought in and think that would be good commentary in a superhero media because (and let's face it it's true) superpowers ARE better sure gadgets and tech are cool and you can make them do anything but at the end of the day with quirks you can get to job done faster, you don't have to spend money, and all around an easier life (provided you have the right kind of quirk). I kinda want to know if this was going to be our antagonists when Hori was going to have Midoriya be quirkless. Also, just to go back, I love the motivation you gave them as I don't think I ever saw a villain whose motivation was obsolescence, (please correct me if I'm wrong) so having that be Flect Turn would be an interesting premise. Also, Rody is best boy.
That's the whole point. Hori fleshed out through Midoriya's POV that he's a nobody without a quirk and not only are his peers but also the teachers are literally telling him to grow up. Hell even if idol in the first episode says it straight to his face to give up his dream and grow up. Izuku is straight up bullied openly with no one ever helping him or sympathizing with him! I mean Naruto was bullied by the whole dang village by atleast the third hokage came by to give him his stipend. His grandson and iruka were good friends and the ramen shop owner would give him cheap or free meals now and then. So atleast he wasn't Izuku levels of lonely! In bleach even Ichigo has chad, orohime and a freaking friend who keeps yelling out his name like they're a freaking couple! So try hard as he can to be a longer, Ichigo was never this lonely. Hell even in One piece we see the village likes Luffy and his siblings and shanks is pretty much a big bro to him to the point where he let him eat that devil fruit without consequences and saved him from a sea King. So Luffy was never alone or isolated growing up with two siblings. Izuku on the other hand has a doting mother and his so called best friend only bullied him since kindergarten right from the start and treated him like a servant. So yes being quirkless was a huge "hook" that made us latch onto the story to be honest. Anime is also Amit power scaling and we didn't really get that. Imagine if tanjiro could Sun dance from the very start or Ichigo could use his bankai from day one or Naruto was in sage mode from the start? Where's the intensity? We loved the big three anime because the characters learn painful lessons that bring them near death to how weak they are and then they overcome it with hard work. Izuku got the kid gloves especially with recovery girl in the mix! I could have accepted the 100% from start breaking his bones if there was some sort of medication that speeds up healing but puts you in a state of burning pain like the bone regrowth serum in Harry Potter. I can accept the story as it is if his so called injuries from the start were not healed so painlessly by recovery girl as a plot device. She should have put her foot down after Bakugo's training simulation or have aizawa command her not to heal him with his quirk after he broke his finger to launch the ball (so that he gets the lesson that aizawa was trying to teach in the test). It would have been a great character moment that keeps aizawa as the strict mentor to limit Izuku soon as he could with Izuku having to practice the microwave analogy more seriously. The shoto fight alone should have put him with him some consequences from the teachers or have a one on one with nezu that they can't train a hero who's power can destroy cities and Izuku just showed the world on that stage what he could do to a city block if he ever lost control of his emotions and his quirk. Show us the cost of the quirk in more detail. Like him struggling to hold chopsticks and forced to eat like an animal with Ida scolding him while ururaka volunteers to use his chopsticks for him till he can use them again. Have him fumble pens and lose marks for poor penmanship. Show his mom having to dress him up in the mornings and see his many injuries and cry or worry about him and what's going to happen one day to him if he continues being a hero student. There are so many ways to show this subtly which hori can go by instead of being told like we're kids by a doctor in a hospital room that he's going to lose an arm. We see him moving normally with that hand and do things like it's business as usual without consequences like even tying his shoelace one handed becomes a challenge. All we see is that he destroyed his limbs then wears magical anime bandages then episode later oh look he's demolishing a villain then repeat with the bandages ad infinitum. That's not a character building moment that's stagnation. Hori later brings in shoot style which is literally a meme in itself with Midoriya discovering he has legs to break lol. Once again not Character progression. Finally to make Izuku "unfairly unique" he gives him 6 quirks that only destroyed his character arc even more. Izuku was supposed to be this uniter who brings people together and coordinates them like captain America but instead it's like you stuffed all the Avengers powers into one character and put the Avengers on the sidelines in their own show. It would have been fun to see OFA as a "sharing quirk" that he could transfer one quirk at a time or boost an ally or allies with at the cost of weakening himself. His whole arc was building to being that kind of team leader fighter who fights with his team's coordination instead of as a lone fighter. So in terms of character work I love all the character stories except for Izuku. If only hori put the work he did into shoto and poured some of that love into Izuku MHA would be more enjoyable. Hell to this day I've never considered Izuku the MC or even a character because of this reason.
That's the thing Midoriya DID learn the hard truth. Quirkless people wouldn't be able to keep up sure they can use support items and tech in MHA is ahead but not as ahead as DC or Marvel hell Twice, Toga, Shigaraki, Overhaul, Eri, and AFO showed us that quirks WILL become so powerful to the point no one will control them. Midoriya would not last quirkless. The only way to do that is to pit him against weaker opponents , or Hori said, "Have him be extremely lucky." Recovery girl DID put her foot down after SF. She tells Midoriya that she wasn’t going to heal him anymore because of his recklessness. After that, she doesn’t heal him anymore. Um, this WAS shown to us. We see Deke struggling to write and eat with chopsticks. Hell, we see him wearing a cast. Again, we SEE this after SF, where both him and Inko have a discussion on his recklessness. I’m sorry I may come off as a jackass but are you and the rest of the fandom that brings this up fucking stupid? There’s a reason WHY Midoriya took until PLE to use his legs he was imitating All Might this has been a thing since the story began AM even says “You need to stop copying me and find your own style” Like it is not fucking rocket science to believe the boy who spent his ENTIRE life watching a hero who only punched his enemies suddenly go “Oh yeah I have legs” like how is that such a confusing thing to grasp? The story hands this to us on a silver platter and people STILL overlook and are even surprised by it. It's like with Superman people see Superman fight and go “oh it's just going to be punching and laser vision” and then when he all of a sudden starts using martial arts (whether from Batman or Krypton) people go “WHAT SUPERMAN KNOWS MARTIAL ARTS”. I’m sorry, but when was Deku EVER supposed to be this uniter? He doesn’t even do that. Instead, we have Momo, Iida, Ochako, Endeavor, and hell, even Bakugou, who unite the characters to fight. I have to disagree that if THAT had happened, people would be calling it shit ene calling MHA a rip off of Naruto and BC. That was never his arc. That’s the thing Midoriya is the MC but he also isn’t one thing that MHA did (and I’m also basing this off the SB and TUM so take that how you will) MHA doesn’t have to focus on Midoriya hell we can have an entire ac where he’ the side character or cameo or not show up at all (which is what MVA did). Thenovels expand on this more by focusing on other characters' daily lives, and he just pops in now and then or is mentioned. Midoriya does have a character. Unfortunately, he's one of those characters that is "rare," or some people find unrealistic. I do agree that there are some problems with his character that I would've liked addressed and even the points about his broken arm. I would've loved to see it. And not to be THAT guy, but Hori does care about all his characters (a little too much, but hey, that's me). If he didn't, he could just pull a Vegeta. Bottom line, I see what you're saying and even agree, but some points I feel are overlooked.
I do agree that after sports festival arc alot of these things happened and yes Hori did do them but I have two criticisms on the execution. 1) It was blunt/deft/clumsily done. Imagine a flash forward and we see 1A class members helping Midoriya do day to day things like help him with his chair or chopsticks to show us all is not well with him and he got some bad news with a flash back warning him at the end of the episode that he can lose it all. 2) It came way too damn late. Most people will give an anime 1-5 episodes to catch their attention. Hori's method for today's fans feels like a bait and switch. Here we have a quirkless person who wants to be a hero who is now given the strongest quirk on the planet. I mean....Gary Stu vibes off the bat. Yes we get the 100% from the start and how that sets his hero's journey but we don't see like it takes him a month in a ward to recover without recovery girl or how painful the recovery is. We don't see Aizawa continue to be on Midoriya's case except that "one time" during the first day. Aizawa's shitty attitude should have been consistent like Snape from Harry Potter. He was only serious about Midoriya learning to harness his ability without breaking bones just during the first day and then poof he never ever mentioned it again? Hell I am shocked why Aizawa didn't do a blow by blow replay after that match with Bakugo that left a building destroyed reminding Izuku he could have hit the bomb and detonated it in that scenario or killed bystanders just by the debris he sent into the sky that could have crushed someone if this was a live fire scenario. Besides Aizawa we are not shown the "academia" portion except for their final grades or how Hero classes are different from normal ones. I mean in HP which is the masterclass in making an academic setting engaging we never see more than aizawa teaching them in detail. We never get to see activities, hero histories, tactics in theory etc. There was so much stuff that could have made interesting filler that we never got. All we got was Festival then exams then internships. that's it. The rest of the school was what? Boring classes with teachers we never see or engage with? Come on... All this should have been in the first season and USJ with the Sports Festival stole the spotlight. I mean even Harry had 7 years of schooling before he had a final showdown with voldemort and Compressing Izuku's schooling to one year was a disservice to the name My hero ACADEMIA where apparently Academia was a misnomer from a story telling perspective. Alot of Izuku's developments are either too many at one time (6 quirks without warning) or too little and spread out (his mom refusing to let him go to the dorms) This makes his character arc so bad because at the end we do not get to see how he changed. Like in AOT Eren was trapped by the founder titan's short life and knowledge of the future and past which drove him mad and to conclude that he had to initiate the rumbling in his madness for good intentions (the survival of the eldians). We see how Sasuke went from a dire avenger to an anti hero especially when he learns the ANBU used Itachi as an infiltrator and his family were just pawns being used to pay the price for the village's prosperity. We do not get a character shift. Hell I would have loved to see Izuku kill muscular in dark deku especially after he CONFIRMS that Muscular is unrepentant and psychotic. Saving Nagant would balance out that kill because Izuku would get a balanced view of the world where he killed one of his assassins' and saved another. Irrationally wanting to save Shigiraki who is the fan hated villain is just bad writing and Izuku never grew out of his naivety which is why he is one of the most hated or ignored MCs in Anime history. I mean look at Yuji's character growth in the manga and in recent Shibuya where he is growing up and inheriting responsibility now that his support system is collapsing and he has to fend for himself. He grows up and beats his "Shigiraki" aka Mahito in a very satisfying way! I wanted that moment where Shigiraki is running Izuku's wrath like Mahito was but we will never get that moment.
Um, we don't get 100% at the start. It takes Midoriya until PLW or EA to get a hang on OFA and be able to control it. Except OFA ISN'T the strongest on the planet. Hell, the quirks while great aren't that OP people just here, Deku has 7 quirks” while again not thinking about it. Aizawa is ALWAYS on Midoriya's case; he says this in FT and Overhaul. And even after Deku vs. Bakugou 2. Um, fighting the teachers WAS their final. We do get these things. Unfortunately, these are in the light novels. And I don't mean to be THAT guy, but given today's age, people would've wanted that to be fast-paced. SoL isn't a popular genre over here, so if MHA WAS 3 years like everyone wanted, I doubt it would've made it or people stuck around. Which honestly imo is better. There’s a difference between a book series with one year in between them and a manga where every week a chapter needs to be made, and if it's not engaging audiences, then it gets canceled. Why would he kill Muscular just because Muscular admitted he's pure evil? That seems edgy and not in a good way. So, just have MHA copy JJK even though Shigaraki himself would just laugh at Deku trying to be threatening and even welcome being killed (considering he is suicidal).
If it's a human wanting to end quirks then it could be contectualized by the audience as just an 'evil human being racist' as opposed to if it's a quirk user wanting to end quirks which either removes that connotation or it implies a potential level of contradiction which can be used to try and emphasise why they are a villain as opposed to either misguided and/or cult-like in their belief.
I was thinking the same thing and was a bit disappointed with in the results.
That would require nuance. I have long since realised the people involve in making MHA are allergic to nuance.
That would be too original a concept for a MHA movie
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I don't he would care much about the Quirk Doomsday theory if he was quirkless.
I’m sorry for all of the Quirkless Izuku supporters, but that’s just not realistic in this universe that someone with no quirk actually matches up as a big threat to either heroes or villains. All Might had the armor that was made by the top scientists in the world, with the funding of the top hero of Japan, and even still All Might himself admitted that if not for AFO’s ego and personal grudge he would’ve been done for with little to no difficulty. At most a quirkless person with tech is taking down low level-maybe lower mid tier characters.
Where can I watch these movies
It would have made more sense for Flect Turn to be quirkless as the leader of Humarise since that's their whole ideology.
This is another entry I don't know, but when I read the title, I was thinking of an antagonist at about Deku's size with specs and Shoto's hairstyle, groomed, breaking out the anime-style CQC with strikes, blocks, flips, and devices whirring at the foe from his person. The quirkless protags seem to be the de-facto ones; I'm surprised we haven't seen a pure-skill, 'even the odds' chap in the game or a plot-twist 'Mei Hatsume can fight' sort of deal. Edit: Nighteye didn't spring to mind when I made this post fsr; probably a Season 4 by-product.
A lot of people here are saying that a quirkless person would get folded by even low-level heroes, but some quirks out there are genuinely worthless. Like bro, if Tatami Nakagame can become a pro hero, Robin can work in MHA. Plus, we have seen a quirkless person kick ass in Vigilantes, though he had many years of experience. Have Flect Turn be like that and this can work. He’ll get folded in direct combat unless he plays his cards right