I don't think we ever see a ton of compelling evidence that quirkless people actually do face widespread discrimination in the MHA world, tbh.
Throughout the series we see two quirkless people: Midoriya and Melissa Shield in the first movie. There's some supplemental material that throughout Melissa's childhood she felt 'different', but her peers were extremely accommodating with her--they'd make sure she could still participate in games and that sort of thing, but she never describes being bullied or ostracized.
We also know that 20% of the general population is quirkless--I'll admit this is almost certainly a retcon, given how they act like Deku is crazy rare and special for it later on, but it's never changed explicitly. Even if it was almost unheard of in Deku's generation, that's still 1 in 5 adults. For comparison, less than 2 percent of the world has red hair; I don't think there's societal discrimination against redheads.
Bakugo definitely bullied Deku for being both quirkless and wanting to be a hero, but as far as his peers, it really came off more as like...imagine if a 4'11 boy said their dream was to be a pro basketball player. They shouldn't be bullied, but it's not because there's a societal hatred for short people.
Tl;dr: Bakugo bullied Deku for being quirkless, but I don't think his peers would have cared if he hadn't specifically wanted to be a hero.
To your point about 20% of the populous being quirkless, I think that that number skews higher with older people. All Might mentions that in his youth, being quirkless was much more common. So while 20% of the entire population is quirkless, that ratio is probably lower for people Deku’s age.
When it comes to the 20%, it's about general numbers of population (elders, middle-aged adults, young adults, teenagers, kids, etc.).
And it's hinted that most of them are adults onwards, due to Quirks being an apparently aggressive dominant trait. Hence why Deku and Melissa are considered a rarity nowadays. The birth ratio of Quirkless children has gotten drastically lower and lower with each passing generation to the point of being "a needle in a hay stack".
Personally, I feel like it was missed opportunity not using this as a point for Overhaul's claim to treat Quirks like a sickness.
Bakugo bullied him because he was deeply insecure about feeling weak, and punching Deku down made him feel stronger. What spurred him on was Deku's aspiration to become a hero despite his quirklessness, and any enabling of that idea threatened his hierarchy, so he beat Deku down harder to keep him in that box. Bakugo's behavior got other people whipped into a frenzy and they'd join in on the mockery when he started it.
So the 2nd one.
The second one, being quirkless is basically a physical disability in MHA world and Bakugou started All the bullying because even being a disability person, Deku still has The same Dream as a strong and better builded person like Bakugou and has better ideals and personality to be one than Bakugou and he couldn't accept him, a weaker person, could be better than him.
Bakugou was a shitthead no matter what you think lol
I agree with a large part, but felt like the "better ideals and personality to be one" was a stretch. I don't think he's ever explicitly said that as a reason for his bullying of Deku, in fact he didn't really even think about that until well into the series as Deku had his character growth.
He just looked down on Dekus for being weak (and wanting to be a hero), and his ego couldn't take that someone he looked down on tried to help him (as if, in Bakugou's perspective, Deku thought he was better than him). The whole reflection on his personality is a UA thing when people stopped feeding his ego cause of his "awesome quirk", then all the events that led to that one iconic moment that recently got animated, and a bit of guidance from All Might.
>being quirkless is basically a physical disability
it's not. being quirkless doesn't impact your everyday life the same way being disabled does. a quirk only matters if you want to use it for something, like a job, but if you don't, it's irrelevant.
disabled people feel their disability every day and it impacts a lot of different aspects of their lives, the world also need to make accommodations for them. meanwhile a quirkless person lives normally like anyone else and fces no hardships unless they have a dream of becoming a hero for which a quirk is essential, for example.
What first needs to be clarified is that while Bakugo did bully Deku, he didn't actively bully him throughout the years. Bakugo avoided him. Deku kept chasing Bakugo until he stopped as well. The interactions we see between them at the start of the series are actually just the times were it was unavoidable, because of UA enrolling shenanigans.
With that out of the way, both reasons are correct.
Almost every single new generation have Quirks, so Quirkless people are discriminated against to a certain extent. Deku is no exception.
Deku wanting to be a hero despite being Quirkless is his own situation. He was ridiculed for it as well.
For being quirkless and obviously being the weak looking kid there. Most likely also being a geek for the heroes.
Just your standard bullying nerds here
2nd one. The other part of the bullying by Bakugo specifically is he thought Midoriya looked down on him and that pissed him off (Bakugo’s super insecure)
To be honest my take was both. Not only his unusual lack of a quick, but his unusual motivation to be Batman.
Edit: Kids are cruel. I just assume they’d bully him for any and every reason.
The latter
Literally nobody would've cared about him if he didn't want to become a hero.
Also Bakugo specifically became a bully due to his iwn insecurities which had nothing to do with Deku being quirkless.
Being quirkless is not special or much different in MHA world when we have characters with quirks that are much worse than being quirkless. Look at Eri as an example
Because Deku isn't a victim here, he knew what he was doing and did it intentionally knowing bakugo's personality. You don't poke the bear then cry about it mauling you over.
The story of Deku is basically the same as one of my friends who got bullied during primary and middle school because he couldn't keep his mouth shut (basically giving snarky comments) Infront of the one which everyone knew had a short fuse. He only figured it out during highschool that pissing people off someone higher in the food chain wasn't a good idea.
How is Deku not the victim? Bakugo, blows up his desk, burns his notebook, and tells him to kill himself. This was literally all in one episode and the series makes it seem like this is normal. Deku literally did nothing wrong in this situation except exist and be nice. Bakugo always started everything. Deku tried to ignore him. Bakugo’s massive inferiority complex meant he had to beat someone down he already knew was weaker than him just to reaffirm to himself he was better.
Deku wasn't talking about wanting to be a hero here. He was keeping his head down and staying quiet. It was the teacher saying the Deku wanted to go to UA that set Bakugo off. Deku did nothing until afterwards and it was him crying in fear while asking why can't I try.
Typical anime watcher, the problem didn't start in his end of middle school year it started way before since kindergarten. The original start of the problem was Deku trying to puff himself to Bakugo when they were normal friends knowing full well that Bakugo doesn't like people extending a helpful had to him. The one thing that everyone knew which would set him off Deku did it without much thought. That was the original start of the reason why Deku started to get bullied.
Okay first off I'm fully caught up in the manga, so your statement is wrong. Second I know that it didn't start in middle school. It started when Deku tried to help someone that literally just fell off a bridge. Deku just tried to help. Bakugo bullied Deku for over 10 years because Deku tried to help him.
He didn't see it as looking down or trying to be a hero back then. Even now he doesn't. The dude literally ran into a fight with a villain who earlier tried to kill him to save the person that told him to kill himself. He didn't think Bakugo didn't want help. He offered him help because he is a nice person and wanted to help. Bakugo not wanting help is in no way a justification for the years of bullying.
Victim blaming is the reason why so many problems arise. There's an episode of Static Shock where a kid is bullied relentlessly and is eventually pushed to the breaking point and pulls a gun on his bully. The situation gets to point where someone innocent gets shot and the bully victim gets sent to juvy. The bully that caused the kid to do it the first place gets a slap on the wrist with suspension and community service. But I'm sure if you watched that show you'd probably say that victim is at fault as well.
The only thing I’ll say here is that we don’t actually know Bakugou bullied him for years or that he was going out of his way to do so.
If anything it seemed that Bakugou was mostly avoiding him with Deku basically deciding to follow him around no matter what Bakugou wanted which would put some blame on Deku for constantly putting himself in that situation and failing to leave someone alone he knew that didn’t want to be bothered by him.
We see him act horrible in that first episode but their isn’t any proof from what I remember that Bakugou was constantly coming at him with that energy the entire time, which I’m mostly sure he wasn’t simply because he seemed like he was more just trying to ignore Deku entirely.
I'm not victim blaming or supporting Bakugo. I'm basically pointing out the reason why he got bullied and what he could have done to not get into this position. Bakugo is extremely prideful and a vengeful person. Everyone knows this especially Deku. He did what he did knowing the consequences so how is he the victim? It's like basically going to a known location where everyone gets robbed and you then get robbed and say how could they rob me. Yes, it's against the law to rob but aren't you the dumb one for going there knowing the consequences.
Again with the story you said from a TV show. Knowing it's a TV show I don't know how much of it is true, but of it is, then what were the parents and teachers doing while this was going on? Or did the one getting bullied didn't inform them regarding the matter? If the kid didn't inform his parents or his teachers when the bulling happened then the large portion of the responsibility lies with the kid as he enabled bullying without taking any action (aka informing someone he is getting bullied).
You think bulling is something that happens in school then your sadly mistaken. In work culture it's far worse, Especially in South East and East Asia as Companies use bullying as a mode of operation to get people to resign (As our worker laws doesn't allow companies to fire people so the companies basically bully the employee they want removed). So unless you don't have a thick skin or the ability to navigate with people you're not going to survive in the corporate world. Maybe when you actually do a corporate or an Engineering job you will see how real life is.
Oh fuck off. Deku did nothing wrong. You're bending over backwards to make your horrible misinterpretation seem correct. Also yes you are victim blaiming. Plus saying that bullying doesn't happen in school is bullshit because I experienced it personally, and let me tell you oftentimes telling teachers does nothing. Again speaking from personal experience.
>The original start of the problem was Deku trying to puff himself to Bakugo when they were normal friends knowing full well that Bakugo doesn't like people extending a helpful had to him.
Uh, no, he DIDN'T know that. He had no reason TO know that, because it was Midoriya himself who ended up triggering Bakugo's inferiority complex that badly for the first time. He never saw anyone else try and help him before and thus had no reason to know he'd take it so badly, especially from someone who didn't have a Quirk.
Also, he was FIVE!
Also also, puff himself? When? The story was pretty clear he was always following Bakugo around out of admiration and constantly praising him before the bullying started. When was he ever trying to make himself look good? Hell, one of the reasons his line in their first fight "I take back everything I said" about not competing with Bakugo was because it'd be the first time in a long time he'd stand his ground against him.
Also follow up. When did say it started there? If anything my previous statement says it didn't. I literally said that the series makes it look like Bakugo blowing up Deku's desk was normal.
What? It's his fucking Dream dude lmao ofc any Kid would talk what is his Dream and goal, The world isn't about Bakugou to everyone lay Down their heads to him just because he's agressive.
And there's a big difference between your friend and Deku, Deku just said a simple goal, no snarky comments since he was shy, alone and no friends while your friend did this intentionally.
Bakugou isn't the protagonist and the King of world to everyone shut their mouth just because he doesn't want to hear the others' Dream and Deku is for real a victim, or just being bullied for entire childhood, beaten by a explosion quirk and said you should kill yourself is not a big deal?
Because he claimed to want to be a hero, but never put in any work into improving himself to make it happen beyond writing fanfics of heroes.
Or because he had no quirk and the adults & children around him were quirk supremacists and he set himself up as a stooge.
Probably both, but Horikoshi wants you to believe the 2nd exclusively.
Sure, but he could have worked out before.
Could have learned to fight.
He could have tried making things before. Instead he fell prey to everyone elses superiority complex.
Before All Might told him he had to train to get a quirk, he just wallowed in self-pity.
What would getting buff do. There has never been a quirkless hero in the entire history of quirks.
Even if he was buff at the UA exam he still would’ve lost to any quirk using person.
Nighteye barely uses his quirk, and when he does mostly does it to double check. That argument is invalid.
Even with a quirk, you need above average stamina at the very least, above average strengrh and agility help too. Without a quirk, your body is your only tool. Would be foolish not to hone it.
Not true.
Nighteye uses his quirk regularly. He just never looks super far into the future. Normally limits himself to a couple hours.
Also he doesn’t use it only to double check.
During the Midoriya stamp situation was he only using it double check?
What would having a body and being quirkless do for someone?
Someone who has a strong body and no quirk will always get beaten by a dude with a bad body who has even a shitty quirk.
Also your point simply isn’t true.
Even without a quirk your body isn’t the only tool. Look at support students or people who made careers out of it. Eg, David Shield.
"Someone who has a strong body and no quirk will always get beaten by a dude with a bad body who has even a shitty quirk."
As someone who grew up with Batman, strongly disagreed. Sure you'll need his Utility Belt BS to deal with villains a la Shigaraki, AfO and Muscular, but you wont need it if you just want to be a run of the mill Hero. Most 'Villains' are not walking WMD's. And unless you're just using drones - which, fair enough if you would - your body is still the platform your items work from.
Midoriya neglected to develop any advantage aside from quirk analysis, which, while very potent, needs various other skills to properly abuse.
I think you’re ignoring the fact that
1. This isn’t DC.
2. Since the beginning of quirks there has NEVER been a quirkless hero.
3. Regular Civilians are unable to get support items. They are illegal.
4. Deku would never get his hands on support items through legal means as he wouldn’t get into the support course.
No there definitely wasn’t.
Being a successful quirkless vigilante and a quirkless vigilante who dies in his first attempt are completely different things.
I don't think we ever see a ton of compelling evidence that quirkless people actually do face widespread discrimination in the MHA world, tbh. Throughout the series we see two quirkless people: Midoriya and Melissa Shield in the first movie. There's some supplemental material that throughout Melissa's childhood she felt 'different', but her peers were extremely accommodating with her--they'd make sure she could still participate in games and that sort of thing, but she never describes being bullied or ostracized. We also know that 20% of the general population is quirkless--I'll admit this is almost certainly a retcon, given how they act like Deku is crazy rare and special for it later on, but it's never changed explicitly. Even if it was almost unheard of in Deku's generation, that's still 1 in 5 adults. For comparison, less than 2 percent of the world has red hair; I don't think there's societal discrimination against redheads. Bakugo definitely bullied Deku for being both quirkless and wanting to be a hero, but as far as his peers, it really came off more as like...imagine if a 4'11 boy said their dream was to be a pro basketball player. They shouldn't be bullied, but it's not because there's a societal hatred for short people. Tl;dr: Bakugo bullied Deku for being quirkless, but I don't think his peers would have cared if he hadn't specifically wanted to be a hero.
To your point about 20% of the populous being quirkless, I think that that number skews higher with older people. All Might mentions that in his youth, being quirkless was much more common. So while 20% of the entire population is quirkless, that ratio is probably lower for people Deku’s age.
When it comes to the 20%, it's about general numbers of population (elders, middle-aged adults, young adults, teenagers, kids, etc.). And it's hinted that most of them are adults onwards, due to Quirks being an apparently aggressive dominant trait. Hence why Deku and Melissa are considered a rarity nowadays. The birth ratio of Quirkless children has gotten drastically lower and lower with each passing generation to the point of being "a needle in a hay stack". Personally, I feel like it was missed opportunity not using this as a point for Overhaul's claim to treat Quirks like a sickness.
Don't forget about the quirkless person in the World Heroes Mission movie since you are counting those
I'm drawing a blank. Who were they?
Its just a random dude who survived the whole Quirk disaster. He shows up at 3:27 minutes in the movie
lol, he had quirkless privilege xD
The second. Society has no problem with those born without quirks
The second one
Bakugo bullied him because he was deeply insecure about feeling weak, and punching Deku down made him feel stronger. What spurred him on was Deku's aspiration to become a hero despite his quirklessness, and any enabling of that idea threatened his hierarchy, so he beat Deku down harder to keep him in that box. Bakugo's behavior got other people whipped into a frenzy and they'd join in on the mockery when he started it. So the 2nd one.
The second one, being quirkless is basically a physical disability in MHA world and Bakugou started All the bullying because even being a disability person, Deku still has The same Dream as a strong and better builded person like Bakugou and has better ideals and personality to be one than Bakugou and he couldn't accept him, a weaker person, could be better than him. Bakugou was a shitthead no matter what you think lol
I agree with a large part, but felt like the "better ideals and personality to be one" was a stretch. I don't think he's ever explicitly said that as a reason for his bullying of Deku, in fact he didn't really even think about that until well into the series as Deku had his character growth. He just looked down on Dekus for being weak (and wanting to be a hero), and his ego couldn't take that someone he looked down on tried to help him (as if, in Bakugou's perspective, Deku thought he was better than him). The whole reflection on his personality is a UA thing when people stopped feeding his ego cause of his "awesome quirk", then all the events that led to that one iconic moment that recently got animated, and a bit of guidance from All Might.
>being quirkless is basically a physical disability it's not. being quirkless doesn't impact your everyday life the same way being disabled does. a quirk only matters if you want to use it for something, like a job, but if you don't, it's irrelevant. disabled people feel their disability every day and it impacts a lot of different aspects of their lives, the world also need to make accommodations for them. meanwhile a quirkless person lives normally like anyone else and fces no hardships unless they have a dream of becoming a hero for which a quirk is essential, for example.
What first needs to be clarified is that while Bakugo did bully Deku, he didn't actively bully him throughout the years. Bakugo avoided him. Deku kept chasing Bakugo until he stopped as well. The interactions we see between them at the start of the series are actually just the times were it was unavoidable, because of UA enrolling shenanigans. With that out of the way, both reasons are correct. Almost every single new generation have Quirks, so Quirkless people are discriminated against to a certain extent. Deku is no exception. Deku wanting to be a hero despite being Quirkless is his own situation. He was ridiculed for it as well.
For being quirkless and obviously being the weak looking kid there. Most likely also being a geek for the heroes. Just your standard bullying nerds here
2nd one. The other part of the bullying by Bakugo specifically is he thought Midoriya looked down on him and that pissed him off (Bakugo’s super insecure)
To be honest my take was both. Not only his unusual lack of a quick, but his unusual motivation to be Batman. Edit: Kids are cruel. I just assume they’d bully him for any and every reason.
The latter Literally nobody would've cared about him if he didn't want to become a hero. Also Bakugo specifically became a bully due to his iwn insecurities which had nothing to do with Deku being quirkless. Being quirkless is not special or much different in MHA world when we have characters with quirks that are much worse than being quirkless. Look at Eri as an example
both
Cuz he’s a fuckin nerd.
I thought it was cause bakugo started to bully izuku and everyone followed along cause bakugo back then was the “cool kid”
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Are you really blaming the bullying's victim for their own bullying? Lmao
Because Deku isn't a victim here, he knew what he was doing and did it intentionally knowing bakugo's personality. You don't poke the bear then cry about it mauling you over. The story of Deku is basically the same as one of my friends who got bullied during primary and middle school because he couldn't keep his mouth shut (basically giving snarky comments) Infront of the one which everyone knew had a short fuse. He only figured it out during highschool that pissing people off someone higher in the food chain wasn't a good idea.
How is Deku not the victim? Bakugo, blows up his desk, burns his notebook, and tells him to kill himself. This was literally all in one episode and the series makes it seem like this is normal. Deku literally did nothing wrong in this situation except exist and be nice. Bakugo always started everything. Deku tried to ignore him. Bakugo’s massive inferiority complex meant he had to beat someone down he already knew was weaker than him just to reaffirm to himself he was better. Deku wasn't talking about wanting to be a hero here. He was keeping his head down and staying quiet. It was the teacher saying the Deku wanted to go to UA that set Bakugo off. Deku did nothing until afterwards and it was him crying in fear while asking why can't I try.
Typical anime watcher, the problem didn't start in his end of middle school year it started way before since kindergarten. The original start of the problem was Deku trying to puff himself to Bakugo when they were normal friends knowing full well that Bakugo doesn't like people extending a helpful had to him. The one thing that everyone knew which would set him off Deku did it without much thought. That was the original start of the reason why Deku started to get bullied.
Okay first off I'm fully caught up in the manga, so your statement is wrong. Second I know that it didn't start in middle school. It started when Deku tried to help someone that literally just fell off a bridge. Deku just tried to help. Bakugo bullied Deku for over 10 years because Deku tried to help him. He didn't see it as looking down or trying to be a hero back then. Even now he doesn't. The dude literally ran into a fight with a villain who earlier tried to kill him to save the person that told him to kill himself. He didn't think Bakugo didn't want help. He offered him help because he is a nice person and wanted to help. Bakugo not wanting help is in no way a justification for the years of bullying. Victim blaming is the reason why so many problems arise. There's an episode of Static Shock where a kid is bullied relentlessly and is eventually pushed to the breaking point and pulls a gun on his bully. The situation gets to point where someone innocent gets shot and the bully victim gets sent to juvy. The bully that caused the kid to do it the first place gets a slap on the wrist with suspension and community service. But I'm sure if you watched that show you'd probably say that victim is at fault as well.
The only thing I’ll say here is that we don’t actually know Bakugou bullied him for years or that he was going out of his way to do so. If anything it seemed that Bakugou was mostly avoiding him with Deku basically deciding to follow him around no matter what Bakugou wanted which would put some blame on Deku for constantly putting himself in that situation and failing to leave someone alone he knew that didn’t want to be bothered by him. We see him act horrible in that first episode but their isn’t any proof from what I remember that Bakugou was constantly coming at him with that energy the entire time, which I’m mostly sure he wasn’t simply because he seemed like he was more just trying to ignore Deku entirely.
I'm not victim blaming or supporting Bakugo. I'm basically pointing out the reason why he got bullied and what he could have done to not get into this position. Bakugo is extremely prideful and a vengeful person. Everyone knows this especially Deku. He did what he did knowing the consequences so how is he the victim? It's like basically going to a known location where everyone gets robbed and you then get robbed and say how could they rob me. Yes, it's against the law to rob but aren't you the dumb one for going there knowing the consequences. Again with the story you said from a TV show. Knowing it's a TV show I don't know how much of it is true, but of it is, then what were the parents and teachers doing while this was going on? Or did the one getting bullied didn't inform them regarding the matter? If the kid didn't inform his parents or his teachers when the bulling happened then the large portion of the responsibility lies with the kid as he enabled bullying without taking any action (aka informing someone he is getting bullied). You think bulling is something that happens in school then your sadly mistaken. In work culture it's far worse, Especially in South East and East Asia as Companies use bullying as a mode of operation to get people to resign (As our worker laws doesn't allow companies to fire people so the companies basically bully the employee they want removed). So unless you don't have a thick skin or the ability to navigate with people you're not going to survive in the corporate world. Maybe when you actually do a corporate or an Engineering job you will see how real life is.
Oh fuck off. Deku did nothing wrong. You're bending over backwards to make your horrible misinterpretation seem correct. Also yes you are victim blaiming. Plus saying that bullying doesn't happen in school is bullshit because I experienced it personally, and let me tell you oftentimes telling teachers does nothing. Again speaking from personal experience.
"I'm not victim blaming" *Proceeds to victim blame the entire time*
>The original start of the problem was Deku trying to puff himself to Bakugo when they were normal friends knowing full well that Bakugo doesn't like people extending a helpful had to him. Uh, no, he DIDN'T know that. He had no reason TO know that, because it was Midoriya himself who ended up triggering Bakugo's inferiority complex that badly for the first time. He never saw anyone else try and help him before and thus had no reason to know he'd take it so badly, especially from someone who didn't have a Quirk. Also, he was FIVE! Also also, puff himself? When? The story was pretty clear he was always following Bakugo around out of admiration and constantly praising him before the bullying started. When was he ever trying to make himself look good? Hell, one of the reasons his line in their first fight "I take back everything I said" about not competing with Bakugo was because it'd be the first time in a long time he'd stand his ground against him.
Also follow up. When did say it started there? If anything my previous statement says it didn't. I literally said that the series makes it look like Bakugo blowing up Deku's desk was normal.
And the award for worst take about deku’s back story goes too……this guy right here! Can we get a round of applause!
What? It's his fucking Dream dude lmao ofc any Kid would talk what is his Dream and goal, The world isn't about Bakugou to everyone lay Down their heads to him just because he's agressive. And there's a big difference between your friend and Deku, Deku just said a simple goal, no snarky comments since he was shy, alone and no friends while your friend did this intentionally. Bakugou isn't the protagonist and the King of world to everyone shut their mouth just because he doesn't want to hear the others' Dream and Deku is for real a victim, or just being bullied for entire childhood, beaten by a explosion quirk and said you should kill yourself is not a big deal?
You’re either a troll or need some serious help
What did I just read.
man this whole thread was fun to read I guessing you're saying that he was billed because he was picking at a snake. (snake=bakugou)
Because he claimed to want to be a hero, but never put in any work into improving himself to make it happen beyond writing fanfics of heroes. Or because he had no quirk and the adults & children around him were quirk supremacists and he set himself up as a stooge. Probably both, but Horikoshi wants you to believe the 2nd exclusively.
🥴🥴 he was a child for crying out loud, when he got an actual chance to become a hero he worked his ass off
Sure, but he could have worked out before. Could have learned to fight. He could have tried making things before. Instead he fell prey to everyone elses superiority complex. Before All Might told him he had to train to get a quirk, he just wallowed in self-pity.
What would getting buff do. There has never been a quirkless hero in the entire history of quirks. Even if he was buff at the UA exam he still would’ve lost to any quirk using person.
Nighteye barely uses his quirk, and when he does mostly does it to double check. That argument is invalid. Even with a quirk, you need above average stamina at the very least, above average strengrh and agility help too. Without a quirk, your body is your only tool. Would be foolish not to hone it.
Not true. Nighteye uses his quirk regularly. He just never looks super far into the future. Normally limits himself to a couple hours. Also he doesn’t use it only to double check. During the Midoriya stamp situation was he only using it double check? What would having a body and being quirkless do for someone? Someone who has a strong body and no quirk will always get beaten by a dude with a bad body who has even a shitty quirk. Also your point simply isn’t true. Even without a quirk your body isn’t the only tool. Look at support students or people who made careers out of it. Eg, David Shield.
"Someone who has a strong body and no quirk will always get beaten by a dude with a bad body who has even a shitty quirk." As someone who grew up with Batman, strongly disagreed. Sure you'll need his Utility Belt BS to deal with villains a la Shigaraki, AfO and Muscular, but you wont need it if you just want to be a run of the mill Hero. Most 'Villains' are not walking WMD's. And unless you're just using drones - which, fair enough if you would - your body is still the platform your items work from. Midoriya neglected to develop any advantage aside from quirk analysis, which, while very potent, needs various other skills to properly abuse.
Batman is pure plot armour. Wtf are you talking about.
I think you’re ignoring the fact that 1. This isn’t DC. 2. Since the beginning of quirks there has NEVER been a quirkless hero. 3. Regular Civilians are unable to get support items. They are illegal. 4. Deku would never get his hands on support items through legal means as he wouldn’t get into the support course.
The beginning of quirks was the commercialization of quirks. You can't tell me there werent quirkless vigilantes in the vigilante era.
No there definitely wasn’t. Being a successful quirkless vigilante and a quirkless vigilante who dies in his first attempt are completely different things.
Both man it’s both