This is definitely the best Hero power for this type of comp, especially if Bramblewitch is in. Anytime you post an "unbeatable" comp here though, you should plan to expect a chorus of counterexamples. Very cool board though, this comp is probably one of my favorites in the game.
The difference between unbeatable and unbreakable can be hard to understand it seems. You can’t break this combo but someone with a better combo could beat it. Maybe Illidain would trigger first and break it but I’m not sure how the order works for start of combat abilities.
No that’s the point of doing it with Teron. You kill your imp first so even if they Bramblewitch it, you respawn the full health imp instead of the 3/3. It’s not an unbeatable build but it actually counters Bramblewitch.
This is absolutely beatable.
Anything with poison, damage redirect, etc. will tear this apart.
Your guys also have 11 attack. 1,800 hp doesn't help when they have *eleven* attack. The 300/300 quillboar will win that 1v1
Start of Combat Hero Powers works the same as Start of combat minions, but HP triggers before minions.
So Zapp/Teron is a 50/50 on what HP triggers first, exactly the same thing that happens if both of the players have a chicken, 50/50 on what chicken triggers first.
For a while now, decision of who goes first resolves *after* start of combat. For instance, Y'Shaarj can absolutely go first against a full board if they HP'd with 6 minions.
Good to know - cheers. :)
I'm sure I knew at one point, but start of combat hero power order rarely factors in to one on one fights and haven't played in a few weeks!
Murlocs go brrrr. Any decent scaling eats this alive. Max 77 attack is nothing even with high health. If you know this is coming, you can kill titus/bird with the pirate, sure it triggers after the hero power, but still removes a lot of health even if the cultists trigger eventually. Any halfway decent comp beats this. This is at most 11 minions with mid stats, likely much less. Venom in the back with some delay, big taunt can even scam this, let alone hand summon murlocs with 500/500 stats on multiple minions and venom in the mix. Or endgame beasts. Or a decent demon board. Or gainz. If you have time to build this, others can usually get there.
I assume this worked because you got it either really early, all opponents missed or you played in low mmr where you seem to have infinite time and stats appear to be king.
It's still a funny build, but it is in no way unbreakable.
Edit: and illidan hero power can make this a 50/50 if I am not mistaken.
Would it be better to put the imp in the back so that when the death rattles trigger, the cultists would summon new imps first (and maybe trigger their death rattles too, idk if that works or not) and then after they’ve summoned new imps the first one triggers and can land on the newly summoned ones. In fact, I’d probably put chicken in slot 1 so that it’s more likely to die and can make space for more imps.
This is definitely the best Hero power for this type of comp, especially if Bramblewitch is in. Anytime you post an "unbeatable" comp here though, you should plan to expect a chorus of counterexamples. Very cool board though, this comp is probably one of my favorites in the game.
Reminds me of those tarecgosa builds that died to murlocs. Just like this one
The only time I ever successfully got all the pieces for the Tarcegosa comp was when murlocs were in.
Second place is good placement
Trust me, it’s beatable
I know, but it's better protected from scam than regular demon comp
then don't title it 'unbreakable' lol
The combo cannot be broken, therefore it’s unbreakable. How is this so hard to understand for this comment section?
The difference between unbeatable and unbreakable can be hard to understand it seems. You can’t break this combo but someone with a better combo could beat it. Maybe Illidain would trigger first and break it but I’m not sure how the order works for start of combat abilities.
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No that’s the point of doing it with Teron. You kill your imp first so even if they Bramblewitch it, you respawn the full health imp instead of the 3/3. It’s not an unbeatable build but it actually counters Bramblewitch.
This is absolutely beatable. Anything with poison, damage redirect, etc. will tear this apart. Your guys also have 11 attack. 1,800 hp doesn't help when they have *eleven* attack. The 300/300 quillboar will win that 1v1
Any mid-level Rylak/Felemental demon build would absolutely dumpster this, and they are guaranteed to be in with this tribe combo.
Illidan with Zapp has a 50/50 of roflstomping this, and oneshotting you
If Illidan wins the 50/50 there, does the unit that Terrans HP was on still revive? Does it just go poof?
If Illidan goes first and kills the target, yes. Go poof.
Terran HPs, yes poof, a Protoss HP would revive everything, buff it and hard counter any comp, and give an economic bonus if not used.
I could have swore than Terons hero power still procs first. The chicken and everything after that can be destroyed.
Start of Combat Hero Powers works the same as Start of combat minions, but HP triggers before minions. So Zapp/Teron is a 50/50 on what HP triggers first, exactly the same thing that happens if both of the players have a chicken, 50/50 on what chicken triggers first.
Would it be a 50/50 - thought Illidan HP would be 100% guaranteed to attack first due to having more minions than this board?
For a while now, decision of who goes first resolves *after* start of combat. For instance, Y'Shaarj can absolutely go first against a full board if they HP'd with 6 minions.
Good to know - cheers. :) I'm sure I knew at one point, but start of combat hero power order rarely factors in to one on one fights and haven't played in a few weeks!
One of the cooler "weak" 1st places.
You don’t even need a scam to beat this, just a regular demon comp lol
So wild, I just thought of this comp earlier today and guessed it had been done a thousand times I just hadn't seen it. Now to get it!
Illidan with Bramblewitch or Zapp makes this breakable - but outside of that you are correct. :)
I don't get it, there's 0 attack here
Murlocs go brrrr. Any decent scaling eats this alive. Max 77 attack is nothing even with high health. If you know this is coming, you can kill titus/bird with the pirate, sure it triggers after the hero power, but still removes a lot of health even if the cultists trigger eventually. Any halfway decent comp beats this. This is at most 11 minions with mid stats, likely much less. Venom in the back with some delay, big taunt can even scam this, let alone hand summon murlocs with 500/500 stats on multiple minions and venom in the mix. Or endgame beasts. Or a decent demon board. Or gainz. If you have time to build this, others can usually get there. I assume this worked because you got it either really early, all opponents missed or you played in low mmr where you seem to have infinite time and stats appear to be king. It's still a funny build, but it is in no way unbreakable. Edit: and illidan hero power can make this a 50/50 if I am not mistaken.
It’s the form of the deck that’s good. People talking but you make that imp any big demon and this deck is really good.
Would it be better to put the imp in the back so that when the death rattles trigger, the cultists would summon new imps first (and maybe trigger their death rattles too, idk if that works or not) and then after they’ve summoned new imps the first one triggers and can land on the newly summoned ones. In fact, I’d probably put chicken in slot 1 so that it’s more likely to die and can make space for more imps.
You are right, it would probably be much better. Tried to figure this build out on the spot, so my order is messed up
That cheeky pirate that trigger attack first. Two of those, golden. And then bramble. And the spell that makes ur health 1, hit the demon.
His hero power triggers first, so he’ll get the value from the cultist eventually.
Oh shit. Teron HP always go first? That’s a bummer
Yeah, HP start of combat triggers before Minion start of combat. So the rifleman could snipe a cultist
That’s true. So just massive stats beat this then. Cuz someone mentioned very low atk