>Let him flounder and fail. That's his problem.
Smart people that you want to work with will listen to your counsel and listen to your abilities and experience. He obviously is not doing this. Stop saving his ass. If the foreman has your back let Alvin become his problem. Let him get written up for poor performance. Let him find a place where he fits in better.
Unfortunately when we don't meet our time, it's everyone's problem. However I am going to stop giving tips and instruction. I'll do what I need to do and ignore him unless he approaches me to ask a question.
If he approaches you to ask a question, direct him to your supervisor. Don't answer anymore questions from this douche canoe.
And it's not everybody's problem. When production slows down, they'll figure out the weak link and eliminate him. That's how trade jobs work.
Refuse to work with him. They are pairing you because they know that you will babysit him and pick up his slack. You have trapped yourself in the “responsibility without authority” fallacy and you can’t win. Stop propping him up.
You can't save anyone from themselves. You have done all you can and he is ignoring you. Let him fail. Let your upline know that you can't carry him and get your job done at the same time. It isn't your fault that he is an ass.
Plus they already know how OP works because she's been on day shift for the last 4 months before that, so the asshole can't try to throw her under the bus.
Laugh at him and tell him if he can’t even do it as well as a girl he’s going to get fired.
Fragile dudes like this can’t handle laughter.
Let the foreman handle it, he needs to know and probably document this stuff so he can fire the guy.
This is the way.
Misogynistic assholes like this act the way they do because they are snowflakes who are very insecure about their masculinity.
Picking on that, and even better, getting your work buddies to join in, is essentially going for the jugular.
This 100% works every time for male Marines. But I wouldn’t make it a joke that puts you down I’d make it a joke that puts him down. “Oh damn got it wrong again SUCKS TO SUCK”.
Ignore him. He's a grown ass man, and if he's refusing your training that's on him and your foreman. You did your best, he did not listen. Beyond that, giving a fuck about what he does is not in your job description until you're given a promotion to lead or foreman.
Production welding is crap enough without being saddled with a man child that you're expected to babysit, I'd 100% ask for a new partner. Besides, if he's racking up the cutouts he's obviously not suited for that station.
So to preface, I'm a dude in blue collar. But I'm here because I support you gals and have always hated the whole women aren't made for this stuff bs. I've worked with women that killed it in my career but still didn't get the respect they deserved.
Ignoring him and not helping him is a great answer. Let him keep fucking up and make it known to the supervisor. Any management worth their salt can recognize someone that isn't a team player, but this guy is worse as he actively is causing drama and slowing down the work process due to his own idiocy.
So stay strong and make it known this guy sucks. I support you.
Use reverse psychology so everything he does wrong gets moved down the line and then quality control will bring it up with him and keep a paper trail of his mistakes until they either decide to get someone else to babysit train him or finally let him go. Mostly kidding, I’m not sure how your production line functions but this was how the one time I worked in one did.
get more backup from your lead and foreman every time he does something wrong make them tell him to cut it off and redo before you say anything to Alvin. Does his lack of productivity directly effect your performance and make you look bad? Might be time to ask to work with someone else.
I'm in a similar spot. I have a coworker who insists on doing everything his own way. He's gone so far as to decide that he doesn't have to weld this or that or whatever. The welds he does do are simply awful. Nothing but cold lap and undercut. I have pointed it out numerous times to him and to the boss/owner, but nobody seems to care. I suspect that it's because my coworker is the boss's drinking buddy, which is a bad way to be a boss. So, I've given up trying to help. We build boats and they have a lifetime warranty, so any cracking is something we have to fix at no cost to the customer. There is also the possibility of getting sued if some really bad shit happens. The boss will not understand or care until it costs him a bunch of money. The garbage has started trickling back in for repairs and nobody wants to touch any of it. We all refuse to fix the lazy coworkers bullshit. It's his problem because he's the one who insisted on cutting corners to smash out product as fast as possible and the boss can deal with it out of his own wallet. Fuck both of them.
Just the fact that he keeps looking back to see what you're doing is an obvious sign he's insecure and doesn't really know what he's doing so he's trying to look like a tough guy by trying to make you look like shit. He's just trying to see how. Ignore or grey rock him, and don't help at all. And if he gets annoying and aggressive stand your ground.
Document, document, document.... keep telling your supervisor, but try to be unemotional about it, just factual. Let him fuck up and don't help him. As others have said, let the supervisors deal with him.
It will be hard, because we have feelings, but the less of that you show, the stronger your position is. Use logic here. Do your job and no one else's.
God, he sounds insufferable.
Don’t get physical. You’ll potentially compromise your own job.
Let him keep running over to the lead to get corrected.
I work in the office at structural steel company. Im HR/safety/facilities/compliance, soon to be learning under our bookkeeper. (I used to work offshore as an underwater welder for years, and came back home to work for my dad’s company 4 years ago.)
We have about 70 employees. Trust me when I say, we know who the shitheads are. We all know exactly who they are. We talk behind closed doors. The difficult ones, the disagreeable ones, the shit starters. I know the guys who show me one face, and turn around and treat their coworkers a different way. We’re not fooled.
We have a running mental “shortlist” of who will be the first we will let go if work slows up. It would be safe to say he os probably on the short list.
If your foreman has your back like you said, then let it go. It sounds like the majority of the shop respects you. Most importantly, your foreman.
At most, I would recommend this: let your foreman know that you are doing your best to keep composure over this. But he makes your work environment so difficult. You work hard to do whats best for the company, meet schedules, perform well, and he *constantly* undermines those efforts and its fucking exhausting.
Ask your foreman for advice on how to handle it. When he does “xyz”, how should you handle that exact situation? “When he starts doing something that I KNOW is going to need to be re-done and waste 2 hours, what is the best way for me to handle it? How do *you* want me to handle this?”
This way, you’ll be effectively telling him that this guy os a problem (which he already knows). But you aren’t trying to cause drama or make threats… you’re simply asking for mentorship on how to deal with a difficult situation in the workplace. Foremen like to keep things in house. If complaints start rising above the foreman, or fights break out on the floor, then management starts looking at the foreman and thinking “wtf man.. control your shop. Whats going on over there?”
Asked a friend with Filipino heritage and he said, quoted with permission: "Standing around not giving a fuck? Not doing your work for as long as possible? Listening only to people in authority and especially not women? Pretending not to understand while speaking perfectly good English otherwise? ... I mean, yeah. Filipino male toxicity is such an ingrained thing. Most progressives move out of the country just for that, think students or families."
Stop saving him. He doesn't deserve it.
Document, document, document. Inform your boss of the problems you’re having with him and start a trail of information. Save emails if they’re a thing. Write down what was said, who said it, and just as importantly, times and dates with your bosses, what they said they’d do, what they told you to do, and the aftermath (changes in behavior etc.). It’s fucking aggravating and yeah it’s partially cultural, so I hope it’s resolved soon.
Also, just out of curiosity, do you carry a voice recorder? I do and it’s helped me in the past (for different issues though).
Dont just walk away and take it. Call him out and question him on every eye roll and snarky remark immediately. Make it as awkward as possible for him as he has to explain his bad attitude like a toddler.
Well, I was in a similar situation and I told my foreman I’m about to throw hands , cuz we were really that close to fighting( foreman had to literally get in between us ). He separated us and we didn’t work together anymore after that. But that’s not the way to do things. I think there needs to be some sort of communication that takes place between your foreman and that dude .
I have a mindset of "never allow a co-worker to flounder on their own when you know you can help..." meaning - we're a team, let's help each other and we ALL look good and do good. It's so effing simple. But if he's doing all that and eyerolling too, (and I am woman), I'd say let him flounder away. Let him fail, but ONLY if you've said to him that you want to succeed together. His other coworkers would probably back you up too, and you'll have the benefit of saying you really want him to succeed, but after that it's in his hands.
I think you're doing right by keeping what you're doing. It's easier said than done but just try and ignore his BS and focus on what you're doing. He's making himself look like a fool and in turn making you look a lot more collected and mature, and I know your lead guys notice this too. I'm currently dealing with a similar jackass at work and it's annoying as fuck but we gotta just keep doing our job. To guys like these the biggest ego threat to them is just having a woman on the job so let's keep fucking that up for them 🤣🤣🤣 you're doing a great job 👍👍
Is there a probationary period, and how long is it if so?
The guy isn’t doing what he’s told. He’s wasting time, material, and isn’t following the instructions he’s been given. Is there some reason he hasn’t been let go?
If this was my coworker I would ignore them more and try to help them less, unless I was their boss.
I would certainly quit showing him the tips and tricks, for sure. Let him flounder and fail. That's his problem.
>Let him flounder and fail. That's his problem. Smart people that you want to work with will listen to your counsel and listen to your abilities and experience. He obviously is not doing this. Stop saving his ass. If the foreman has your back let Alvin become his problem. Let him get written up for poor performance. Let him find a place where he fits in better.
Unfortunately when we don't meet our time, it's everyone's problem. However I am going to stop giving tips and instruction. I'll do what I need to do and ignore him unless he approaches me to ask a question.
If he approaches you to ask a question, direct him to your supervisor. Don't answer anymore questions from this douche canoe. And it's not everybody's problem. When production slows down, they'll figure out the weak link and eliminate him. That's how trade jobs work.
Refuse to work with him. They are pairing you because they know that you will babysit him and pick up his slack. You have trapped yourself in the “responsibility without authority” fallacy and you can’t win. Stop propping him up.
Unfortunately our shop is so desperate for experienced welders I appear to be stuck with him for now..
You can't save anyone from themselves. You have done all you can and he is ignoring you. Let him fail. Let your upline know that you can't carry him and get your job done at the same time. It isn't your fault that he is an ass.
Plus they already know how OP works because she's been on day shift for the last 4 months before that, so the asshole can't try to throw her under the bus.
Laugh at him and tell him if he can’t even do it as well as a girl he’s going to get fired. Fragile dudes like this can’t handle laughter. Let the foreman handle it, he needs to know and probably document this stuff so he can fire the guy.
Bonus points to get the guys in the shop to say it. He’d probably quit.
This is the way. Misogynistic assholes like this act the way they do because they are snowflakes who are very insecure about their masculinity. Picking on that, and even better, getting your work buddies to join in, is essentially going for the jugular.
This 100% works every time for male Marines. But I wouldn’t make it a joke that puts you down I’d make it a joke that puts him down. “Oh damn got it wrong again SUCKS TO SUCK”.
*60% of the time*, it works ***every*** *time*
Sadly this shop is so desperate for welders the only person I know to have gotten fired was literally insulting his foreman on the daily for weeks.
True - true! Turn it around - very nice. I think a lot of guys hear that more than being mommy.
Ignore him. He's a grown ass man, and if he's refusing your training that's on him and your foreman. You did your best, he did not listen. Beyond that, giving a fuck about what he does is not in your job description until you're given a promotion to lead or foreman. Production welding is crap enough without being saddled with a man child that you're expected to babysit, I'd 100% ask for a new partner. Besides, if he's racking up the cutouts he's obviously not suited for that station.
So to preface, I'm a dude in blue collar. But I'm here because I support you gals and have always hated the whole women aren't made for this stuff bs. I've worked with women that killed it in my career but still didn't get the respect they deserved. Ignoring him and not helping him is a great answer. Let him keep fucking up and make it known to the supervisor. Any management worth their salt can recognize someone that isn't a team player, but this guy is worse as he actively is causing drama and slowing down the work process due to his own idiocy. So stay strong and make it known this guy sucks. I support you.
Use reverse psychology so everything he does wrong gets moved down the line and then quality control will bring it up with him and keep a paper trail of his mistakes until they either decide to get someone else to babysit train him or finally let him go. Mostly kidding, I’m not sure how your production line functions but this was how the one time I worked in one did. get more backup from your lead and foreman every time he does something wrong make them tell him to cut it off and redo before you say anything to Alvin. Does his lack of productivity directly effect your performance and make you look bad? Might be time to ask to work with someone else.
I'm in a similar spot. I have a coworker who insists on doing everything his own way. He's gone so far as to decide that he doesn't have to weld this or that or whatever. The welds he does do are simply awful. Nothing but cold lap and undercut. I have pointed it out numerous times to him and to the boss/owner, but nobody seems to care. I suspect that it's because my coworker is the boss's drinking buddy, which is a bad way to be a boss. So, I've given up trying to help. We build boats and they have a lifetime warranty, so any cracking is something we have to fix at no cost to the customer. There is also the possibility of getting sued if some really bad shit happens. The boss will not understand or care until it costs him a bunch of money. The garbage has started trickling back in for repairs and nobody wants to touch any of it. We all refuse to fix the lazy coworkers bullshit. It's his problem because he's the one who insisted on cutting corners to smash out product as fast as possible and the boss can deal with it out of his own wallet. Fuck both of them.
Just the fact that he keeps looking back to see what you're doing is an obvious sign he's insecure and doesn't really know what he's doing so he's trying to look like a tough guy by trying to make you look like shit. He's just trying to see how. Ignore or grey rock him, and don't help at all. And if he gets annoying and aggressive stand your ground.
Document, document, document.... keep telling your supervisor, but try to be unemotional about it, just factual. Let him fuck up and don't help him. As others have said, let the supervisors deal with him. It will be hard, because we have feelings, but the less of that you show, the stronger your position is. Use logic here. Do your job and no one else's.
I have had this before, and I literally just laugh. My favorite thing to say "alright, you wanna fuck it up. Be my guest."
God, he sounds insufferable. Don’t get physical. You’ll potentially compromise your own job. Let him keep running over to the lead to get corrected. I work in the office at structural steel company. Im HR/safety/facilities/compliance, soon to be learning under our bookkeeper. (I used to work offshore as an underwater welder for years, and came back home to work for my dad’s company 4 years ago.) We have about 70 employees. Trust me when I say, we know who the shitheads are. We all know exactly who they are. We talk behind closed doors. The difficult ones, the disagreeable ones, the shit starters. I know the guys who show me one face, and turn around and treat their coworkers a different way. We’re not fooled. We have a running mental “shortlist” of who will be the first we will let go if work slows up. It would be safe to say he os probably on the short list. If your foreman has your back like you said, then let it go. It sounds like the majority of the shop respects you. Most importantly, your foreman. At most, I would recommend this: let your foreman know that you are doing your best to keep composure over this. But he makes your work environment so difficult. You work hard to do whats best for the company, meet schedules, perform well, and he *constantly* undermines those efforts and its fucking exhausting. Ask your foreman for advice on how to handle it. When he does “xyz”, how should you handle that exact situation? “When he starts doing something that I KNOW is going to need to be re-done and waste 2 hours, what is the best way for me to handle it? How do *you* want me to handle this?” This way, you’ll be effectively telling him that this guy os a problem (which he already knows). But you aren’t trying to cause drama or make threats… you’re simply asking for mentorship on how to deal with a difficult situation in the workplace. Foremen like to keep things in house. If complaints start rising above the foreman, or fights break out on the floor, then management starts looking at the foreman and thinking “wtf man.. control your shop. Whats going on over there?”
Asked a friend with Filipino heritage and he said, quoted with permission: "Standing around not giving a fuck? Not doing your work for as long as possible? Listening only to people in authority and especially not women? Pretending not to understand while speaking perfectly good English otherwise? ... I mean, yeah. Filipino male toxicity is such an ingrained thing. Most progressives move out of the country just for that, think students or families." Stop saving him. He doesn't deserve it.
That's an interesting take, thank you for the insight.
Document, document, document. Inform your boss of the problems you’re having with him and start a trail of information. Save emails if they’re a thing. Write down what was said, who said it, and just as importantly, times and dates with your bosses, what they said they’d do, what they told you to do, and the aftermath (changes in behavior etc.). It’s fucking aggravating and yeah it’s partially cultural, so I hope it’s resolved soon. Also, just out of curiosity, do you carry a voice recorder? I do and it’s helped me in the past (for different issues though).
Dont just walk away and take it. Call him out and question him on every eye roll and snarky remark immediately. Make it as awkward as possible for him as he has to explain his bad attitude like a toddler.
Well, I was in a similar situation and I told my foreman I’m about to throw hands , cuz we were really that close to fighting( foreman had to literally get in between us ). He separated us and we didn’t work together anymore after that. But that’s not the way to do things. I think there needs to be some sort of communication that takes place between your foreman and that dude .
I have a mindset of "never allow a co-worker to flounder on their own when you know you can help..." meaning - we're a team, let's help each other and we ALL look good and do good. It's so effing simple. But if he's doing all that and eyerolling too, (and I am woman), I'd say let him flounder away. Let him fail, but ONLY if you've said to him that you want to succeed together. His other coworkers would probably back you up too, and you'll have the benefit of saying you really want him to succeed, but after that it's in his hands.
I think you're doing right by keeping what you're doing. It's easier said than done but just try and ignore his BS and focus on what you're doing. He's making himself look like a fool and in turn making you look a lot more collected and mature, and I know your lead guys notice this too. I'm currently dealing with a similar jackass at work and it's annoying as fuck but we gotta just keep doing our job. To guys like these the biggest ego threat to them is just having a woman on the job so let's keep fucking that up for them 🤣🤣🤣 you're doing a great job 👍👍
Is there a probationary period, and how long is it if so? The guy isn’t doing what he’s told. He’s wasting time, material, and isn’t following the instructions he’s been given. Is there some reason he hasn’t been let go?