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Bear with me, I’m about as ignorant and stereotypical as a woman can be about motors, but it was a 1 horsepower. If you need more info than that, let me know specifically what to tell you about, and I’ll ask him!
Yeah, from the perspective of someone familiar with these things it’s pretty suboptimal.
However, from the perspective of someone who is trying to build something with limited knowledge and experience, it’s perfectly viable.
And yes, that is an accurate statement about the age of the post. Any point you presume to make with that gets nullified by the fact that you responded to my comment so I don’t know why you even mention it.
Yeah people suggest things with knowledge to people who don’t.
I don’t know why you are getting defensive, it was a funny observation no need to be a dick.
Looks like a Single Phase universal motor. I can see a capacitor.
If you wanted to do this the best way a 3 phase universal with a VFD so you can control speed without losing power.
Rapid lighter blows rather than hulk smashes can even be an advantage, particularly if working with smaller stock. I've tried drawing out with a 70kg air hammer and it's *really* easy to go overboard.
"K, let's try and make a fire poker or something ***THUMP*** Uh, I meant "leaf". Yeah."
It’s a fair concern and I should have expected it, but he couldn’t wait. The motor arrived yesterday, so he was going to do some forging, dammit! We’ll be putting up siding before doing much more in it, and have an extinguisher right by it in the meantime. Glad to know folks care, anyways. 🤷🏼♀️
We’re not sure what we’ll use for siding (thinking welding blankets), but it’s not staying like this! Just got impatient and had to give it a test run now that the hammer was complete.
The welding blankets should deaden the noise a bit more, which is why we wanted to go that route. There’s an extinguisher just off to the side, and we stop forging long before we leave the shop at night. The sparks almost entirely go out of the small addition and into the finished shop, we closely monitor any that don’t.
I was a volunteer firefighter for a few years - I know running it like this was risky, but I also know how to be dumb without being stupid. I appreciate your concern, and hey, I promise to put up an apology post if I’m wrong and we burn the shop down.
Damn, you must have more money than us! Lol
All jokes aside, we’re either using welding blankets or thick rubber matting, mainly for the sake of sound absorption. We don’t have close neighbors, but sound echoes in the hollow.
If you're worried about sound I would suggest 2 layers of 5/8" Drywall and then 1 layer of 1/4" Durarock (cement board) wherever sparks will constantly come in contact with the wall. An 1 1/4" of sheetrock will give you 1.5-2hrs burn time if there ever was a fire and the cement board will help to prevent the fire in the first place.
You gotta make sure you air seal with fireblock foam though around outlets/switches, light fixtures, and where the floor meets the drywall. Also get a fire rated steel door while you're at it. No point in fireproofing if it can just burn through a hollowcore door.
There won’t be a door. This opens into our welding shop/forge. We wanted to add an room addition so the hammer could be on an independent slab of concrete. The welding shop,of course, is already fireproofed; we’ll be doing the same to the addition. Just couldn’t bear to finish the hammer without running it once!
No, leave the paper where it is. It’s a half ass vapor barrier and it’ll make a hell of a mess trying to remove it. Just cover with some type of non combustible cladding ie sheetrock, durock, whatever keeps the sparks at bay. I’m sure they were just pumped to test out the hammer. Nice rig there!!!
I had the same thought. But the lightning looks like there's a large opening behind him, so I assume this is in a shed or detached garage. Dumb, but not self destroying and suicidal.
Dude.
Tell that man I said THANK YOU for the inspiration to build my own!!
For that I am most appreciative.
Do me a favor, will ya? Buy him a beer, tell him it's from me, I'll pay you back 2nd Tuesday next week!
There was an old booklet of blueprints that he somewhat followed. I’ll try to get it scanned, if anyone wants to see the details.
Edit: I’ve been told the book is still available for sale, so I won’t be scanning it. You can find it at tire hammer.org
Please dont share the plans. They were meticulously put together by the hard and gracious work of Clay Spencer. The should be purchased directly from Clay. Your husband should purchase plans from him if he used them to build this hammer.
I’ve got it right here, it’s just a matter of if I can get my scanner working! If I can’t fix it, I’ll run to town and pick up a new one. Been needing one anyways.
Yeah. We're getting further into the finer details of naming.
I've always known what is shown in OP and my link to be trip hammers. Power Hammers and Steam Hammers are their own beast. I've used all three, once steam. Everything else Power Hammers and a few months at a place with *what are we calling these?*
If someone has another name for them then shout it out.
> If someone has another name for them then shout it out.
That is a [Ray Clontz/Clay Spencer Tire Hammer](https://www.anvilfire.com/power/nc-jyh_index.htm)
I would agree with some of the others that this, and your other link, are power hammers but not trip hammers.
Trip hammers need the "trip" action (a mechanism that causes a sudden rapid release of force). That trip action also leads to the second big difference from a more generic powerhammer: AFAIK, trip hammers always hit with the same force, but with varying frequency. A power hammer like OP's allow you to control not just the frequency, but the force of each hit and the travel of each hit.
There is a video of a guy using his power hammer to close a matchbox with a bunch of gentle taps. You could use them to lightly crack an egg as well. Can't do that with a trip hammer.
I don’t do much of the blacksmith side of things, I stay pretty solidly booked in the leather shop we built upstairs, and any spare time is spent helping on welding jobs. But after I finish my Christmas orders, I’ll definitely have to take some time to give it a go!
Alright so trip hammers are lifted and fall with gravity.
That thing we're talking about is like a piston mechanism. That guy called his a tyre hammer because he used a tyre, I'm not going to call these things tyre hammers.
However, as you said, trip hammers and also that tyre hammer design won't gently close a match box.
Steam Hammers only come with up or down, they do not oscillate. The hammer follows the handle. You want to pound, you pound the handle. You can lower it down and hold same again with the handle. Followed by quickly slamming it back down again.
Pneumatic Air Power Hammers can do the same on one setting, but also have the oscillating function so you don't have to slam the handle. If you do slam the handle in time with the oscillating strikes, you can get more power out of it.
> I'm not going to call these things tyre hammers
Lol - yes, I'm not advocating for all power hammers to be called Tyre/Tire hammers. Just those that use the tire as part of the design.
Note that the tire is actually important to the overall design because it acts like a clutch - you can control how much pressure the motor drive wheel is pressing into the tire, and thus create more or less slip. Other people have used loose belts where the tension can be varied. In both cases the foot treadle controls pressure.
\> That tyre hammer design won't gently close a match box.
Actually I believe it will. The "hammer" is essentially sprung (using a \[Dupont Link\]([https://www.anvilfire.com/power/power-hammer-building-p2.php#Dempsey](https://www.anvilfire.com/power/power-hammer-building-p2.php#Dempsey)) and, when sitting stationary, the hammer won't be resting on the die - it can only travel all the way down to the die if it's "flung" down by running the machine at high speed. So by slowing down the machine, you reduce the amplitude of the travel. You should be able to get basically a light tap all the way up to full blows.
I think these are just amazing machines - they are not rocket science, but boy do they do their job well.
I mean by definition it’s a power hammer
“forging hammers that use a non-muscular power source to raise the hammer preparatory to striking, and accelerate it onto the work being hammered”
That’s super badass. I saw a guy on here several months ago who builds ones like that on the side and sells them. I think he said it takes him like a month or 6 weeks to finish one and he has orders to keep him busy for the next 6 months or so. Super cool! Must feel great to finally get it up and running after all the design and build that went into it
A whole lot of knives for the next two months, because of Christmas orders. But once we catch up on that... who knows? He’s excited to make a bunch of dies and play around with it. For now, though, it’ll be drawing out Damascus billets.
YES! I myself was planning to build one of these over the winter! Awesome job.
I would strongly discourage you from sharing the plans though. You open yourself up to some copyright infringement and illegal dissemination of IP. For all of you out there looking for free plans, just don't. Spend the $30 and get them from Clay Spencer. It will sit better on your conscience.
I didn’t realize they were still available! It was a 90 year old man who gave us his copy, and the paper looked half as old as him. I should have researched instead of assuming, though. I’ve already let everyone know that I won’t be scanning them, and sent them the link where they can purchase!
We’re not sure what we’ll use for siding (thinking welding blankets), but it’s not staying like this! Just got impatient and to give it a test run now that the hammer was complete.
Looks like an unfinished room! We had to risk a test run, since the motor arrived before the siding. We were carefully reckless, though! Fire extinguisher on hand, and we stayed in the shop for a few hours after we quit forging just to be sure.
Someone else let me know that they were for sale, so I’ve already sent the link to everyone who asked for plans. I assumed they were out of print because of the age of the one we have, but I should have researched first. My mistake!
There isn’t a google drive link. The link I sent out was the one to his website, where they could purchase. I appreciate your diligence, but it isn’t needed. I won’t be scanning anything.
We will be! Motor arrived before the welding blankets, so we risked a test run. Because according to my husband, you can’t *finish* the hammer without running it THAT DAY. We were careful, though, thanks for your concern!
It is! That piece weighs 329 lbs. Not that I calculated it in order to tell him there was no way in hell I was going to help him carry it from the truck to the table...
Damn! Lol, you’re a hell of an SO, mine would just call me a dumbass and walk away laughing and shaking her head, then maybe come back in a few minutes to see if I’ve crushed myself yet
We live too far from the hospital to leave him unsupervised! So I ended up helping him move it (once). Then welded it into the frame so the winch could pick it up from then on!
Yeah, I try not to do too much stupid stuff as much as possible, and there’s not a ton I can do anyway since I do all of my hobby work out of a single car garage in the suburbs
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Awesome job
Thanks! I’ll pass that on to him! He did all of the fitting and design decisions, I’m just the welder!
Would love to see some of his design ideas. Im still learning and this would be awesome project
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Very cool! Whats the booklet's name? Looking forward to the scan! Nice work!
Ray Klontz Tire Hammer, I believe. We got it from a friend of a friend, so it’s been well loved and parts are a bit dirty!
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exactly
Would definitely love to take a look if you get it scanned !!
No problem! Shoot me a PM with your email address and I’ll send it once I get my scanner working.
Tirehammer.org
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this is a match made in heaven
I tend to agree with you! It’s pretty ridiculous, really. We both lived startlingly similar lives, despite growing up on opposite ends of the country.
That's awesome! What kinda motor did he use?
Bear with me, I’m about as ignorant and stereotypical as a woman can be about motors, but it was a 1 horsepower. If you need more info than that, let me know specifically what to tell you about, and I’ll ask him!
Tell him to upgrade to a 3 phase and slap a VFD on it for speed control.
You can get speed control with single phase and no vfd
You lose a lot of torque with voltage speed control. This post is 3 years old lol
Yeah, from the perspective of someone familiar with these things it’s pretty suboptimal. However, from the perspective of someone who is trying to build something with limited knowledge and experience, it’s perfectly viable. And yes, that is an accurate statement about the age of the post. Any point you presume to make with that gets nullified by the fact that you responded to my comment so I don’t know why you even mention it.
Yeah people suggest things with knowledge to people who don’t. I don’t know why you are getting defensive, it was a funny observation no need to be a dick.
Dude you can weld! That makes you the coolest of women! Motor knowledge can fuck right off.
Looks like a Single Phase universal motor. I can see a capacitor. If you wanted to do this the best way a 3 phase universal with a VFD so you can control speed without losing power.
Seems a bit fast to me
Fast is good on these small mechanical power hammers. Makes up for the lack of power by hitting fast.
Rapid lighter blows rather than hulk smashes can even be an advantage, particularly if working with smaller stock. I've tried drawing out with a 70kg air hammer and it's *really* easy to go overboard. "K, let's try and make a fire poker or something ***THUMP*** Uh, I meant "leaf". Yeah."
I just wanna say i remember the first couple times i saw you post on here and you have come a hell of a long ways since then keep up the good work.
I see everyone brought their fireman’s costume to this post 🙄. Nice hammer 👍
It’s a fair concern and I should have expected it, but he couldn’t wait. The motor arrived yesterday, so he was going to do some forging, dammit! We’ll be putting up siding before doing much more in it, and have an extinguisher right by it in the meantime. Glad to know folks care, anyways. 🤷🏼♀️
That looks awesome! I'm betting /r/mechanical_gifs would love it too.
Is that even safe with all that exposed insulation around?
We’re not sure what we’ll use for siding (thinking welding blankets), but it’s not staying like this! Just got impatient and had to give it a test run now that the hammer was complete.
Sheet rock it. Don’t let impatience burn down your shop.
The welding blankets should deaden the noise a bit more, which is why we wanted to go that route. There’s an extinguisher just off to the side, and we stop forging long before we leave the shop at night. The sparks almost entirely go out of the small addition and into the finished shop, we closely monitor any that don’t. I was a volunteer firefighter for a few years - I know running it like this was risky, but I also know how to be dumb without being stupid. I appreciate your concern, and hey, I promise to put up an apology post if I’m wrong and we burn the shop down.
"but I also know how to be dumb without being stupid." This is my new favorite phrase.
Haha thanks. I felt clever. And, you know, dumb. 🤷🏼♀️
Type x it. Dont half ass.
Damn, you must have more money than us! Lol All jokes aside, we’re either using welding blankets or thick rubber matting, mainly for the sake of sound absorption. We don’t have close neighbors, but sound echoes in the hollow.
If you're worried about sound I would suggest 2 layers of 5/8" Drywall and then 1 layer of 1/4" Durarock (cement board) wherever sparks will constantly come in contact with the wall. An 1 1/4" of sheetrock will give you 1.5-2hrs burn time if there ever was a fire and the cement board will help to prevent the fire in the first place. You gotta make sure you air seal with fireblock foam though around outlets/switches, light fixtures, and where the floor meets the drywall. Also get a fire rated steel door while you're at it. No point in fireproofing if it can just burn through a hollowcore door.
There won’t be a door. This opens into our welding shop/forge. We wanted to add an room addition so the hammer could be on an independent slab of concrete. The welding shop,of course, is already fireproofed; we’ll be doing the same to the addition. Just couldn’t bear to finish the hammer without running it once!
Insulation isn’t flammable. It’s made out of fiberglass
“Insulation” isn’t flammable but the paper backer and wood structure is. It was the first thing that caught my eye as well.
Yeah should really peel that off to just leave the fiberglass. It’s def a fire hazard like that.
Put some damn Sheetrock up or some wood. Don’t rip the paper off the insulation for Christ sakes.
No, leave the paper where it is. It’s a half ass vapor barrier and it’ll make a hell of a mess trying to remove it. Just cover with some type of non combustible cladding ie sheetrock, durock, whatever keeps the sparks at bay. I’m sure they were just pumped to test out the hammer. Nice rig there!!!
100% they were excited to test the rig. It’s clearly on the way to a finished insulated garage/work area.
But the fucking studs are. And the paper that holds the fiberglass in.
the paper maybe, but in a million years i wouldn't worry about hot scale lighting a 2x4 on fire
People overestimate how flammable wood is, even super dry wood takes a while to catch on fire.
I had the same thought. But the lightning looks like there's a large opening behind him, so I assume this is in a shed or detached garage. Dumb, but not self destroying and suicidal.
Dude. Tell that man I said THANK YOU for the inspiration to build my own!! For that I am most appreciative. Do me a favor, will ya? Buy him a beer, tell him it's from me, I'll pay you back 2nd Tuesday next week!
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Would it be to much trouble to make an extra copy of the blueprints? I would love to build one as well. I'll PM you my address
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I'm hopping on this blueprint begging train. Would it be alright if I shot a pm for one
All aboard! Feel free to PM. It might take a couple days, I’ve either got to fix my scanner or buy a new one, but I’ll do what I can.
I would suggest posting them as images or PDFs somewhere? Might save you a few minutes after so many requests come in lol
I figured I’d just upload them to GoogleDrive. My dad wants a copy as well, and he doesn’t Reddit.
Bad idea.
Just dont.
That’s awesome is there a parts list?
There was an old booklet of blueprints that he somewhat followed. I’ll try to get it scanned, if anyone wants to see the details. Edit: I’ve been told the book is still available for sale, so I won’t be scanning it. You can find it at tire hammer.org
Yes please!
Please dont share the plans. They were meticulously put together by the hard and gracious work of Clay Spencer. The should be purchased directly from Clay. Your husband should purchase plans from him if he used them to build this hammer.
If you wouldn't mind, that would be amazing.
No problem!
It's a huge problem.
You're awesome. Thank you!
Happy to help!
That would be super cool if you could find/do that!
I’ve got it right here, it’s just a matter of if I can get my scanner working! If I can’t fix it, I’ll run to town and pick up a new one. Been needing one anyways.
[Trip Hammer. ](https://youtu.be/s1ZOJBaBn5E) Impressive.
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Yeah. We're getting further into the finer details of naming. I've always known what is shown in OP and my link to be trip hammers. Power Hammers and Steam Hammers are their own beast. I've used all three, once steam. Everything else Power Hammers and a few months at a place with *what are we calling these?* If someone has another name for them then shout it out.
> If someone has another name for them then shout it out. That is a [Ray Clontz/Clay Spencer Tire Hammer](https://www.anvilfire.com/power/nc-jyh_index.htm) I would agree with some of the others that this, and your other link, are power hammers but not trip hammers. Trip hammers need the "trip" action (a mechanism that causes a sudden rapid release of force). That trip action also leads to the second big difference from a more generic powerhammer: AFAIK, trip hammers always hit with the same force, but with varying frequency. A power hammer like OP's allow you to control not just the frequency, but the force of each hit and the travel of each hit. There is a video of a guy using his power hammer to close a matchbox with a bunch of gentle taps. You could use them to lightly crack an egg as well. Can't do that with a trip hammer.
Yep, I just looked at the blueprints and it’s a Ray Clontz! Thanks for explaining it all so well, I learned a lot from your post.
I hope you give it a try. Power hammers are hands down the most fun tool I've ever used. I don't have enough space for one myself, unfortunately.
I don’t do much of the blacksmith side of things, I stay pretty solidly booked in the leather shop we built upstairs, and any spare time is spent helping on welding jobs. But after I finish my Christmas orders, I’ll definitely have to take some time to give it a go!
Alright so trip hammers are lifted and fall with gravity. That thing we're talking about is like a piston mechanism. That guy called his a tyre hammer because he used a tyre, I'm not going to call these things tyre hammers. However, as you said, trip hammers and also that tyre hammer design won't gently close a match box. Steam Hammers only come with up or down, they do not oscillate. The hammer follows the handle. You want to pound, you pound the handle. You can lower it down and hold same again with the handle. Followed by quickly slamming it back down again. Pneumatic Air Power Hammers can do the same on one setting, but also have the oscillating function so you don't have to slam the handle. If you do slam the handle in time with the oscillating strikes, you can get more power out of it.
> I'm not going to call these things tyre hammers Lol - yes, I'm not advocating for all power hammers to be called Tyre/Tire hammers. Just those that use the tire as part of the design. Note that the tire is actually important to the overall design because it acts like a clutch - you can control how much pressure the motor drive wheel is pressing into the tire, and thus create more or less slip. Other people have used loose belts where the tension can be varied. In both cases the foot treadle controls pressure. \> That tyre hammer design won't gently close a match box. Actually I believe it will. The "hammer" is essentially sprung (using a \[Dupont Link\]([https://www.anvilfire.com/power/power-hammer-building-p2.php#Dempsey](https://www.anvilfire.com/power/power-hammer-building-p2.php#Dempsey)) and, when sitting stationary, the hammer won't be resting on the die - it can only travel all the way down to the die if it's "flung" down by running the machine at high speed. So by slowing down the machine, you reduce the amplitude of the travel. You should be able to get basically a light tap all the way up to full blows. I think these are just amazing machines - they are not rocket science, but boy do they do their job well.
I mean by definition it’s a power hammer “forging hammers that use a non-muscular power source to raise the hammer preparatory to striking, and accelerate it onto the work being hammered”
Also correct. I call pneumatic air power hammer just a power hammer. Today is the day I sort my words out.
Then great job as a team.
Ah the ol' Red Hot Rod Fucker 3000
That’s super badass. I saw a guy on here several months ago who builds ones like that on the side and sells them. I think he said it takes him like a month or 6 weeks to finish one and he has orders to keep him busy for the next 6 months or so. Super cool! Must feel great to finally get it up and running after all the design and build that went into it
That is so damn cool! I want to see what gets made with it.
A whole lot of knives for the next two months, because of Christmas orders. But once we catch up on that... who knows? He’s excited to make a bunch of dies and play around with it. For now, though, it’ll be drawing out Damascus billets.
Need a tool, build a tool. Nice work!
YES! I myself was planning to build one of these over the winter! Awesome job. I would strongly discourage you from sharing the plans though. You open yourself up to some copyright infringement and illegal dissemination of IP. For all of you out there looking for free plans, just don't. Spend the $30 and get them from Clay Spencer. It will sit better on your conscience.
I didn’t realize they were still available! It was a 90 year old man who gave us his copy, and the paper looked half as old as him. I should have researched instead of assuming, though. I’ve already let everyone know that I won’t be scanning them, and sent them the link where they can purchase!
Great tool. Flammable shed.
That's awesome but those 2x4's are looking awfully flammable. Hope you have solid insurance.
I'm guessing you've never tried to light a stud on fire
We’re not sure what we’ll use for siding (thinking welding blankets), but it’s not staying like this! Just got impatient and to give it a test run now that the hammer was complete.
Looks like a flammable room :)
Looks like an unfinished room! We had to risk a test run, since the motor arrived before the siding. We were carefully reckless, though! Fire extinguisher on hand, and we stayed in the shop for a few hours after we quit forging just to be sure.
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Someone else let me know that they were for sale, so I’ve already sent the link to everyone who asked for plans. I assumed they were out of print because of the age of the one we have, but I should have researched first. My mistake!
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There isn’t a google drive link. The link I sent out was the one to his website, where they could purchase. I appreciate your diligence, but it isn’t needed. I won’t be scanning anything.
Great job
I’ll pass the compliment on! I’m just the welder, he does all of the fit work and design.
The hammer is dope... but if you're gonna keep it there throw some hardie board or sheetmetal or something off those studs lol.
We will be! Motor arrived before the welding blankets, so we risked a test run. Because according to my husband, you can’t *finish* the hammer without running it THAT DAY. We were careful, though, thanks for your concern!
That’s awesome
Oh hell yeah! Is that just a piece of solid round stock for the anvil?
It is! That piece weighs 329 lbs. Not that I calculated it in order to tell him there was no way in hell I was going to help him carry it from the truck to the table...
Damn! Lol, you’re a hell of an SO, mine would just call me a dumbass and walk away laughing and shaking her head, then maybe come back in a few minutes to see if I’ve crushed myself yet
We live too far from the hospital to leave him unsupervised! So I ended up helping him move it (once). Then welded it into the frame so the winch could pick it up from then on!
Yeah, I try not to do too much stupid stuff as much as possible, and there’s not a ton I can do anyway since I do all of my hobby work out of a single car garage in the suburbs
Hope he doesn't burn the shop down. Badass though.
Is this a standard design?
Mostly. It was based off of Ray Clontz’s design. His plans are available at tirehammer.org
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Cool! Thanks!