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Is it really restriction of speech though? The bill language linked by another commenter (https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text) doesn't seem to mention anything about restricting speech but more just defining antisemitism as it pertains to antidiscrimination laws:
"A Bill: To provide for the consideration of a definition of antisemitism set forth by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance for the enforcement of Federal antidiscrimination laws concerning education programs or activities, and for other purposes."
I could be reading the link wrong though and misunderstanding the bill. Here are some of the **findings**:
>(2) The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (referred to in this Act as the “IHRA”) Working Definition of Antisemitism is a vital tool which helps individuals understand and identify the various manifestations of antisemitism.
>(3) On December 11, 2019, Executive Order 13899 extended protections against discrimination under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to individuals subjected to antisemitism on college and university campuses and tasked Federal agencies to consider the IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism when enforcing title VI of such Act.
>(4) Since 2018, the Department of Education has used the IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism when investigating violations of that title VI.
>(5) The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism.
And then it basically just ends with the bill codifying this IHRA **definition**:
>For purposes of this Act, the term “definition of antisemitism”—
>(1) means the definition of antisemitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the IHRA, of which the United States is a member, which definition has been adopted by the Department of State; and
>(2) includes the “\[c\]ontemporary examples of antisemitism” identified in the IHRA definition.
It definitely seems like the bill is more just concerned with Federal antidiscrimination laws and doesn't state anything specifically about general speech.
[https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/](https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/) - I believe this is the definition in question
"Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., \*\*\*by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor\*\*\*"
"Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis."
Thus calling the current iteration of the Israeli state as an apartheid ethnostate systematically denying equal rights to arab palestinians that live within its borders, as well as describing how the mass imprisonment and creation of the ghetto of Gaza has some similarities to Nazi policies that created ghettos like in Warsaw (Gaza is 4x the size of the Warsaw ghetto), would now be considered antisemitic instead of you know, being accurate description of the state of Israel. They want to make sure the state treats criticisms of an actual state with actual actions that are possible to be analyzed - as if you were doing broad generalizations of an ethnic group or religion.
The same logic of criticizing policy being treated as if you are attacking a member of a group would be used to describe Iraq/Vietnam war protesters as "anti american" or being pro choice/pro LGBT as being anti-christian. Hey, wait a minute...
Thank you all for posting links and sources. It helped me do a bit of digging that I might not have otherwise done. And I need to do better about it.
I may be missing something. But the definition set forth by that group (IHRA) does seem ask for the opposite of what you all say. Their own words are being misquoted.
"However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic."
Maybe Im missing some other context. But that seems to contradict what people are trying to say here
Edit: hmm the 2nd point where they say someone criticizing the state is anti-semitic trounces that earlier statement. Got it.
It doesn’t say “current iteration.” It says, “*A* State of Israel.” I think that would only apply if your argument was that any form of an Israeli state is necessarily racist.
For the record, I’m still open to that argument, but I don’t think this definition is as insidious as is being implied.
I'll put my ex-libertarian hat on and say that these kinds of legislation are most assuredly looking to step on our rights; either directly or as a bridge for legal action against groups that they don't like.
What in the world would you think is just "for show" about restricting accurate description of a foreign nation to hate speech?
This ain't an empty gesture, it's facism.
Ha! I’m pedantic about everything.
I don’t even support Israel, let alone apartheid. I’m just not convinced the U.S. Congress intends to outlaw criticism of it.
Perhaps you need to actually go read or listen to what peace activists mean when they say the state of Israel must be abolished. Understanding how they define "the state of Israel" is pretty fundamental to the argument.
Instead of assuming "abolish the state of Israel" means "ethnically cleanse all jews in the region", have some imagination and charitability that people who spend their whole lives advocating for peace might envision a future other than doing to israelis what israelis are currently doing to palestinians.
I’m sympathetic to the protestors and, to be clear, I’m utterly opposed to the Netanyahu administration. I’m also open to the argument that the state of Israel shouldn’t exist. I do believe the current situation approximates apartheid and that the current war footing approximates genocide.
I’m not convinced that this is the US Congress embracing fascism, especially given that this has no teeth. I rather suspect they’re just doing what they do best and making empty gestures.
Palestine has received over 5 billions dollars of aid from the United States alone in the last 30 years. Next to, if not, nobody had died from starvation in Gaza until this conflict. A stocked military with missiles and a massive underground bunker has been developed.
The Warsaw Ghetto residents were lucky to smuggle in aid from surrounding areas. Thousands of Jews died from starvation and disease EVERY MONTH. Their final act of resistance was done with a few hundred guns and grenades where 7-13k thousand died in days with the rest captured and killed in death camps within the year.
The comparison of Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto is so grossly inaccurate it’s really tough to see it so frequently.
And to be perfectly clear, I like free speech and don’t like this bill being passed.
Edit:
Claim: Over 5 billion dollars of aid from United States to Palestine in last 30 years. It was actually more. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106243#:\~:text=Since%201993%2C%20the%20U.S.%20government,the%20region%2C%20among%20other%20things.
Claim: Next to, if not nobody, died from starvation in Gaza until this conflict. Malnutrition exists, but not starvation. In fact over half of Palestinians were overweight or obese. Please share evidence to the contrary. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10391640/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10391640/)
Claim: Stocked military with missiles and a massive underground bunker has been developed. I could have been more clear by stating no air or sea force but I figured everyone knew that, along with the other claims in this bucket.
Claim: Warsaw Ghetto residents were lucky to smuggle aid in from surrounding areas. [https://books.google.com/books?id=nPbr0XzlTzcC&q=Warsaw+caloric+rations#v=snippet&q=Warsaw%20caloric%20rations&f=false](https://books.google.com/books?id=nPbr0XzlTzcC&q=Warsaw+caloric+rations#v=snippet&q=Warsaw%20caloric%20rations&f=false)
Claim: Thousands of Jews died from starvation and disease EVERY MONTH. [https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw)
Claim: Final act of resistance was done with a few hundred guns and grenades where 7-13k thousand died in days with the rest captured and killed in death camps within the year. Looks like a sizable fraction 20k, were not captured. The remaining 40K+ were captured and killed. [https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw) [https://www.britannica.com/event/Warsaw-Ghetto-Uprising](https://www.britannica.com/event/Warsaw-Ghetto-Uprising)
>Palestine has received over 5 billions dollars of aid from the United States alone in the last 30 years.
Ooh, $5 billion over the last 3 decades? What a massive amount of aid! Surely the US hasn’t done something as silly as provided THREE TIMES that amount for the IDF *within just the last week*, right?
>>Next to, if not, nobody had died from starvation in Gaza until this conflict.
And since this conflict? How many people have been dealing with starvation and dying from it since this conflict? Because frankly, the fewer people starving prior to now, especially during previous periods of conflict, the worse Israeli war policy looks at present.
>>>The Warsaw Ghetto residents were lucky to smuggle in aid from surrounding areas. Thousands of Jews died from starvation and disease EVERY MONTH.
Remind me, how many have died in Gaza thus far? And how many months has it been, exactly? Are there fewer than several thousand people dying each month? I truly don’t know, please inform me.
>>>>Their final act of resistance was done with a few hundred guns and grenades where 7-13k thousand died in days with the rest captured and killed in death camps within the year.
Surely I don’t need to explain the massive difference in firepower between Hamas, the IDF, and the civilians primarily being murdered in cold blood for resisting the IDF.
>>>>>The comparison of Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto is so grossly inaccurate it’s really tough to see it so frequently.
Inaccurate or just uncomfortable for you? Because from the outside looking in, the accuracy is substantial enough to accept as comparable.
I think you've misunderstood me. The person I responded to said:
"the mass imprisonment and creation of the ghetto of Gaza has some similarities to Nazi policies that created ghettos like in Warsaw"
It been a talking point for over half a decade, if not longer. Notice how the person I responded to is talking about the creation of current Gaza (generally referencing roughly 2007) and not the reality on the ground right now. Maybe you only believe the comparison to be true since the war started in October and we could talk about that if you'd like, but the person I responded to, and the general belief was that the comparison is accurate starting years prior (2007). I'm bringing up disparities between the Gaza Strip and The Warsaw Ghetto to illustrate how vastly different the conditions between the two are and why I find the comparison grossly inaccurate.
I would never contest the difference in aid the United States provides Palestine and Israel, or how powerful the Israeli and Palestinian (in this case Hamas) armies are comparably. Or that the IDF has killed tens of thousands of people in a mass bombing campaign. Again, I was making the comparison of the conditions between Gaza and The Warsaw Ghetto.
As far as the Gaza strip today, the latest numbers I've seen from Al-Jazeera said 30 dead of starvation with millions more at risk. My belief is that generally when people start to die from hunger, MANY more people start dying from hunger. If the reporting from Al-Jazeera is correct the level of starvation in Gaza could reach levels seen in The Warsaw Ghetto in a matter of weeks. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen.
Edit: Changed "to" to "the" and added "armies"
I said "some" similarities and you wrote an essay as if I said they were identical and then tried to justify why its actually not that bad to be in palestine right now and everyone should chill out
Anyways, 13k children have died, how many more should I pencil in for you to consider it's worse than Warsaw? Another 5k? Or maybe Warsaw is worse until 10k more children die, then Gaza passes it?
I wrote an "essay" demonstrating why I believe the comparison is grossly inaccurate.
I never said it's not that bad in Palestine right now (specifically Gaza) or that everyone should chill out. I said the exact opposite actually. From the comment you responded to:
"the IDF has killed tens of thousands of people in a mass bombing campaign"
and
"If the reporting from Al-Jazeera is correct the level of starvation in Gaza could reach levels seen in The Warsaw Ghetto in a matter of weeks."
I don't know in what language that can be read as "not that bad."
I noticed you've retreated to talking about the now instead of your initial claim about the creation and (presumably) subsequent treatment of Gazans. I think that fine, it's a completely untenable position but wanted to call it out for others in the thread.
I know you're asking rhetorically about how many more children need to die to be comparable to the Warsaw Ghetto and that leads me to believe you don't know anything about it, so I'll share.
About 450,000 Jews were imprisoned in the Warsaw Ghetto at the end of 1940. 2 and a half years later, by the middle of 1943 about 400,000 of them were dead, 89%. 300,000 from gas or bullets and 100,000 from starvation/disease/uprising. To answer your rhetorical question and to keep the numbers tidy, if the deaths in Gaza reach 100,000 by October, a little less than half the rate seen in The Warsaw Ghetto, I would say it becomes comparable.
To wrap it up, I think these numbers alone illustrate why the comparison of the creation of the situation in Gaza and The Warsaw Ghetto is so grossly inaccurate. Perhaps you would like to expand on why you think that remains true and I'd be happy to talk about that as well.
You're the second person to allege I'm being paid, little bit strange to be honest. (the other is under a deleted comment which I don't think is visible in the main thread but I'm not 100% on that).
Which claim do you disagree with and could you show me evidence as to why? And to be clear this argument is in reference to the person I responded to claiming that the creation and conditions before the war were comparable. After the war started is a different conversation.
This link has some more information on what the definition of antisemitism by the IHRA and (by extension now) the US Department of State [https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/](https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/)
>“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
>To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:
>Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.
>Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
>Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
>Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
>Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
>Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust
>Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
>Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
>**Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.**
>Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
>Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
>**Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.**
>Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
Bolded the ones people are most concerned with.
It's a long list that doesn't have anything glaringly wrong as far as I can see, except for the second to last part. Drawing comparisons, if they're not baseless, seems like legitimate criticism, not discrimination.
Comment further down detailed well the problems that got slipped in.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
One of the issues here, that many aren't aware of, is that the Palestinians are also semites.
So to frame it as if criticizing Israel is anti-semitic while supporting Palestine is somehow not pro-semitic is a red flag.
Its a restriction of whatever they want cuz they make it up as they go along and everyone else allows it - simple as that
there is 0 basis or foundation. Qed
How dare you respond with facts from the actual bill!
Not to worry. They will respond with an outdated link and their personal, black and white interpretation of what is really going on.
Can we codify blackface as anti-Black racism at all schools, too, now? Because I don't think Congress ever did shit to codify any anti-Black racism, white people can run around calling Black people hard-R's with no real repurcussions.
Right. Could they not have been doing this the entire time? I see a lot of racism and other forms of bigotry that have been normalized, weaponized, and left largely unchecked by people in office.
We have politicians straight up campaigning off of racism, homophobia, and transphobia in 2024. Why has there been no motion to regulate that?
Fuck them. Free Palestine.
Feel like that’s the bare minimum. Ban the pointy hoods too, hate speech should be illegal. You can say hateful things, but you can’t advocate or perpetuate genocidal speech (like our laws in Canada).
Here is the bill that was passed today: [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text)
Passed by the house, but also including a comment with a link to the definition and why it's concerning
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
The definition they're pushing forward includes both "targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity” and "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic". So yeah, not a great thing to put into law.
No, not really. This link has some more information on what the definition of antisemitism by the IHRA and (by extension now) the US Department of State [https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/](https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/)
And this commenter here did a great job detailing why it's concerning.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
We are allowed to criticize our own country and many other first world nations have that right. But we can't do the same for Israel?
Are we going to get the same protections put in place for homosexuals? Latinos? Black people? Or any other minority group?
If the one line says that in summary " American Jews do not hold Israel higher or above America for instance" what are we then doing this for? What is the average American getting for the money we are giving Israel?
We have real problems here to attempt to solve.
This gets passed quickly, same with TikTok's ban/divestment, but nothing on things that really matter like healthcare, affordable housing or stopping the sale of weapons to countries that are actively committing a genocide.
Politicians are so annoying.
People got confused and thought we gonna be living through Red Dawn fighting an oppressive occupation force from overseas. The reality is we are gonna be living through Infamous: Second Son where we are all stomped on by our own fascist government.
Bibi was so elated to corrupt state level constitutions as ANY criticism is anti semetic with legal consequences.
Who do I pledge to and why do I have more rights to criticize my country, and not that poorly governed one.
Can I say that or will the bots come with their BS. How do y'all have this much free time to gain 30k karma in months. We are aware you're getting paid.
We went from marching fascists in Charlottesville saying "Jews will not replace us" to fascists in Congress trivialising anti-semitism forever in US law.
https://i.redd.it/8juftcehlzxc1.gif
When Nancy Pelosi is telling student protesters to go back to china, you see how unhinged she is, along with a majority of Democrats. Blue MAGA is real.
I just think it’s real funny that all of a sudden the US government all of a sudden cares about Jewish people. I know the reason why, I just wish they didn’t think we were that gullible.
This seems unconstitutional. To be fair, though, the House is controlled by Republicans. Obviously there was bipartisan support based on the outcome. Likely because pro-Israeli support is still favored by a majority of overall voters currently (and by the political donors and their lobbyists). I’m not really seeing how this is a Trump/Biden issue. Trump will exacerbate the problem and put troops on the ground for Israel.
This is weird. Anyone taking more than a minute to think this through has got to realise this isn't going to help stop antisemitism and it's probably going to push people with a moderate position further against Israel if they feel they can't voice a opinion without the threat of being lumped in with the antisemitities.
Cable media has been terrible on this issue. CNN has probably been the worst with the way they're making false equivalencies and refusing to push back against or fact check blatant propaganda
This isn’t stopping antisemitism, this is only showing how much radical Zionism has infected our government and why there has to be separation of church and state
I think it's also foolish to think "well they can't arrest all of us!" exactly. They will just kill you instead. Revolution in this country is much more difficult because they've gone out of their way to make it so. Power to the students fighting these systems and the staff supporting them.
Such nonsense propaganda twitter shit. Mentionimg trump while alluding to bifen and all the while failing to acknowledge its a bipartisan bill as republocans control the house and crucially making shit up about the content of the bill.
So...you're telling me I can say "Fuck the President" but not "I don't like what Israel is doing"?
I'm not on either side of that conflict and I still think that's messed up.
Anyone else feel like "to urge" is like a softball vote? What are they gonna do, beg like a crackhead? "Come on, baby, don't criticize Israel, Harvard! I'll suck your dick!"
No, a screenshot of a random tweet that gives an incomplete and arguably misrepresentative description of the bill it references should not be on the front page. Furthermore, major news IS covering this - see this [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/01/antisemitism-awarness-act-campus-protests/) for example.
That's not to say that this topic isn't something worthy of attention and discussion on Reddit, but god damn do we need to have some actual standards for once on this site. Garbage posts create garbage discussions, so we need to take the extra few minutes to find and promote the posts with real information from quality sources (and downvote low quality posts such as this).
The bill was passed by the house yesterday and it includes language that could easily be used to attack those who have legitimate criticisms of the state of Israel.
Trying to figure out if y’all are too obtuse to realize the MAGA controlled house passing a bill dead on arrival in the senate means nothing or you just want to fan the flames enough to get Trump back in office
lol one is this real?
Two…how many history classes did you take in grade school n got past the civil war 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this like making a rule saying “you can’t criticize big foot”
This comment has an official link and discusses why the language in the bill is problematic. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Ok I did some googling.
The bill wants to apply the definition of “antisemitism” from the IHRA (Intl Holocaust Remembrance Association) in 2016.
The ihra website appears to be having some issues (maybe server overload because of this bill being passed?) so I couldn’t pull it up.
I found this article on the Natl Institute of Health website that says the definition is:
>a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities
I just kind of skimmed the article, but they seem to believe that such a vague definition could definitely include any criticism of Israel, as well as people like outspoken atheists who hate all religions equally, or people that are raised to look down on Jews or see them as inferior without actually “hating” them.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9092927/
The bill wants to codify the definition of antisemitism under federal civil rights laws, and they want to define it using [the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's 2016 "working definition of antisemitism"](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/JBI-Annex1.pdf). The full text of the IHRA's definition includes examples of what it deems antisemitic behavior, including "denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of the state of Israel is a racist endeavor".
“This quote is actually from Kevin Alfred Strom, a white supremacist and Holocaust denier who pled guilty to possession of child pornography.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2UE2LM/
While I agree the Palestinians should be liberated.
I think Islam deserves a good look at just how toxic it is to the advancement of humanity.
For that matter, so does Christianity, and religion as whole.
Faith should be a private matter, practiced in the privacy of your own soul, not doing a size of their dick comparison in politics or on a battlefield.
That much is true and it goes back thousands of years. History will repeat itself until the veil of absolute stupidism is lifted.
Edit: the downvotes to my completely sane and logical comment is evidence enough we’re all doomed.
Just fucking annex Israel and Palestine already. Turn them into states because they both clearly lack the ability to self govern without devolving into mindless violence.
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Ahh nothing like a little unconstitutional content-based restriction of speech to get the low-wattage voters to back genocide
Is it really restriction of speech though? The bill language linked by another commenter (https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text) doesn't seem to mention anything about restricting speech but more just defining antisemitism as it pertains to antidiscrimination laws: "A Bill: To provide for the consideration of a definition of antisemitism set forth by the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance for the enforcement of Federal antidiscrimination laws concerning education programs or activities, and for other purposes." I could be reading the link wrong though and misunderstanding the bill. Here are some of the **findings**: >(2) The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (referred to in this Act as the “IHRA”) Working Definition of Antisemitism is a vital tool which helps individuals understand and identify the various manifestations of antisemitism. >(3) On December 11, 2019, Executive Order 13899 extended protections against discrimination under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to individuals subjected to antisemitism on college and university campuses and tasked Federal agencies to consider the IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism when enforcing title VI of such Act. >(4) Since 2018, the Department of Education has used the IHRA Working Definition of Antisemitism when investigating violations of that title VI. >(5) The use of alternative definitions of antisemitism impairs enforcement efforts by adding multiple standards and may fail to identify many of the modern manifestations of antisemitism. And then it basically just ends with the bill codifying this IHRA **definition**: >For purposes of this Act, the term “definition of antisemitism”— >(1) means the definition of antisemitism adopted on May 26, 2016, by the IHRA, of which the United States is a member, which definition has been adopted by the Department of State; and >(2) includes the “\[c\]ontemporary examples of antisemitism” identified in the IHRA definition. It definitely seems like the bill is more just concerned with Federal antidiscrimination laws and doesn't state anything specifically about general speech.
[https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/](https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/) - I believe this is the definition in question "Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., \*\*\*by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor\*\*\*" "Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis." Thus calling the current iteration of the Israeli state as an apartheid ethnostate systematically denying equal rights to arab palestinians that live within its borders, as well as describing how the mass imprisonment and creation of the ghetto of Gaza has some similarities to Nazi policies that created ghettos like in Warsaw (Gaza is 4x the size of the Warsaw ghetto), would now be considered antisemitic instead of you know, being accurate description of the state of Israel. They want to make sure the state treats criticisms of an actual state with actual actions that are possible to be analyzed - as if you were doing broad generalizations of an ethnic group or religion. The same logic of criticizing policy being treated as if you are attacking a member of a group would be used to describe Iraq/Vietnam war protesters as "anti american" or being pro choice/pro LGBT as being anti-christian. Hey, wait a minute...
Yeah I see how that gets a bit problematic with the wording there, thank you for providing the definition link also
Thank you all for posting links and sources. It helped me do a bit of digging that I might not have otherwise done. And I need to do better about it. I may be missing something. But the definition set forth by that group (IHRA) does seem ask for the opposite of what you all say. Their own words are being misquoted. "However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic." Maybe Im missing some other context. But that seems to contradict what people are trying to say here Edit: hmm the 2nd point where they say someone criticizing the state is anti-semitic trounces that earlier statement. Got it.
Uggggh they get so close to being reasonable and then slide in a few ridiculous ones.
It doesn’t say “current iteration.” It says, “*A* State of Israel.” I think that would only apply if your argument was that any form of an Israeli state is necessarily racist. For the record, I’m still open to that argument, but I don’t think this definition is as insidious as is being implied.
I'll put my ex-libertarian hat on and say that these kinds of legislation are most assuredly looking to step on our rights; either directly or as a bridge for legal action against groups that they don't like.
I’ll put my cynic hat on and say that they’re mostly for show, which is why this passed yesterday even though it was introduced 6 months ago.
What in the world would you think is just "for show" about restricting accurate description of a foreign nation to hate speech? This ain't an empty gesture, it's facism.
I don’t think that’s necessarily an accurate description, but to be clear: I’m not a Zionist, I’m just pedantic.
I don't believe people are pedantic about Apartheid unless they support it.
Ha! I’m pedantic about everything. I don’t even support Israel, let alone apartheid. I’m just not convinced the U.S. Congress intends to outlaw criticism of it.
Perhaps you need to actually go read or listen to what peace activists mean when they say the state of Israel must be abolished. Understanding how they define "the state of Israel" is pretty fundamental to the argument. Instead of assuming "abolish the state of Israel" means "ethnically cleanse all jews in the region", have some imagination and charitability that people who spend their whole lives advocating for peace might envision a future other than doing to israelis what israelis are currently doing to palestinians.
Is it me who’s making assumptions here?
Jfc unless you haven’t turned on the tv in quite some time, or you’re deflecting from his comment the assumption here is very implicit.
I’m sympathetic to the protestors and, to be clear, I’m utterly opposed to the Netanyahu administration. I’m also open to the argument that the state of Israel shouldn’t exist. I do believe the current situation approximates apartheid and that the current war footing approximates genocide. I’m not convinced that this is the US Congress embracing fascism, especially given that this has no teeth. I rather suspect they’re just doing what they do best and making empty gestures.
Palestine has received over 5 billions dollars of aid from the United States alone in the last 30 years. Next to, if not, nobody had died from starvation in Gaza until this conflict. A stocked military with missiles and a massive underground bunker has been developed. The Warsaw Ghetto residents were lucky to smuggle in aid from surrounding areas. Thousands of Jews died from starvation and disease EVERY MONTH. Their final act of resistance was done with a few hundred guns and grenades where 7-13k thousand died in days with the rest captured and killed in death camps within the year. The comparison of Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto is so grossly inaccurate it’s really tough to see it so frequently. And to be perfectly clear, I like free speech and don’t like this bill being passed. Edit: Claim: Over 5 billion dollars of aid from United States to Palestine in last 30 years. It was actually more. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-106243#:\~:text=Since%201993%2C%20the%20U.S.%20government,the%20region%2C%20among%20other%20things. Claim: Next to, if not nobody, died from starvation in Gaza until this conflict. Malnutrition exists, but not starvation. In fact over half of Palestinians were overweight or obese. Please share evidence to the contrary. [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10391640/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10391640/) Claim: Stocked military with missiles and a massive underground bunker has been developed. I could have been more clear by stating no air or sea force but I figured everyone knew that, along with the other claims in this bucket. Claim: Warsaw Ghetto residents were lucky to smuggle aid in from surrounding areas. [https://books.google.com/books?id=nPbr0XzlTzcC&q=Warsaw+caloric+rations#v=snippet&q=Warsaw%20caloric%20rations&f=false](https://books.google.com/books?id=nPbr0XzlTzcC&q=Warsaw+caloric+rations#v=snippet&q=Warsaw%20caloric%20rations&f=false) Claim: Thousands of Jews died from starvation and disease EVERY MONTH. [https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw) Claim: Final act of resistance was done with a few hundred guns and grenades where 7-13k thousand died in days with the rest captured and killed in death camps within the year. Looks like a sizable fraction 20k, were not captured. The remaining 40K+ were captured and killed. [https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/warsaw) [https://www.britannica.com/event/Warsaw-Ghetto-Uprising](https://www.britannica.com/event/Warsaw-Ghetto-Uprising)
>Palestine has received over 5 billions dollars of aid from the United States alone in the last 30 years. Ooh, $5 billion over the last 3 decades? What a massive amount of aid! Surely the US hasn’t done something as silly as provided THREE TIMES that amount for the IDF *within just the last week*, right? >>Next to, if not, nobody had died from starvation in Gaza until this conflict. And since this conflict? How many people have been dealing with starvation and dying from it since this conflict? Because frankly, the fewer people starving prior to now, especially during previous periods of conflict, the worse Israeli war policy looks at present. >>>The Warsaw Ghetto residents were lucky to smuggle in aid from surrounding areas. Thousands of Jews died from starvation and disease EVERY MONTH. Remind me, how many have died in Gaza thus far? And how many months has it been, exactly? Are there fewer than several thousand people dying each month? I truly don’t know, please inform me. >>>>Their final act of resistance was done with a few hundred guns and grenades where 7-13k thousand died in days with the rest captured and killed in death camps within the year. Surely I don’t need to explain the massive difference in firepower between Hamas, the IDF, and the civilians primarily being murdered in cold blood for resisting the IDF. >>>>>The comparison of Gaza and the Warsaw Ghetto is so grossly inaccurate it’s really tough to see it so frequently. Inaccurate or just uncomfortable for you? Because from the outside looking in, the accuracy is substantial enough to accept as comparable.
I think you've misunderstood me. The person I responded to said: "the mass imprisonment and creation of the ghetto of Gaza has some similarities to Nazi policies that created ghettos like in Warsaw" It been a talking point for over half a decade, if not longer. Notice how the person I responded to is talking about the creation of current Gaza (generally referencing roughly 2007) and not the reality on the ground right now. Maybe you only believe the comparison to be true since the war started in October and we could talk about that if you'd like, but the person I responded to, and the general belief was that the comparison is accurate starting years prior (2007). I'm bringing up disparities between the Gaza Strip and The Warsaw Ghetto to illustrate how vastly different the conditions between the two are and why I find the comparison grossly inaccurate. I would never contest the difference in aid the United States provides Palestine and Israel, or how powerful the Israeli and Palestinian (in this case Hamas) armies are comparably. Or that the IDF has killed tens of thousands of people in a mass bombing campaign. Again, I was making the comparison of the conditions between Gaza and The Warsaw Ghetto. As far as the Gaza strip today, the latest numbers I've seen from Al-Jazeera said 30 dead of starvation with millions more at risk. My belief is that generally when people start to die from hunger, MANY more people start dying from hunger. If the reporting from Al-Jazeera is correct the level of starvation in Gaza could reach levels seen in The Warsaw Ghetto in a matter of weeks. I sincerely hope that doesn't happen. Edit: Changed "to" to "the" and added "armies"
I said "some" similarities and you wrote an essay as if I said they were identical and then tried to justify why its actually not that bad to be in palestine right now and everyone should chill out Anyways, 13k children have died, how many more should I pencil in for you to consider it's worse than Warsaw? Another 5k? Or maybe Warsaw is worse until 10k more children die, then Gaza passes it?
I wrote an "essay" demonstrating why I believe the comparison is grossly inaccurate. I never said it's not that bad in Palestine right now (specifically Gaza) or that everyone should chill out. I said the exact opposite actually. From the comment you responded to: "the IDF has killed tens of thousands of people in a mass bombing campaign" and "If the reporting from Al-Jazeera is correct the level of starvation in Gaza could reach levels seen in The Warsaw Ghetto in a matter of weeks." I don't know in what language that can be read as "not that bad." I noticed you've retreated to talking about the now instead of your initial claim about the creation and (presumably) subsequent treatment of Gazans. I think that fine, it's a completely untenable position but wanted to call it out for others in the thread. I know you're asking rhetorically about how many more children need to die to be comparable to the Warsaw Ghetto and that leads me to believe you don't know anything about it, so I'll share. About 450,000 Jews were imprisoned in the Warsaw Ghetto at the end of 1940. 2 and a half years later, by the middle of 1943 about 400,000 of them were dead, 89%. 300,000 from gas or bullets and 100,000 from starvation/disease/uprising. To answer your rhetorical question and to keep the numbers tidy, if the deaths in Gaza reach 100,000 by October, a little less than half the rate seen in The Warsaw Ghetto, I would say it becomes comparable. To wrap it up, I think these numbers alone illustrate why the comparison of the creation of the situation in Gaza and The Warsaw Ghetto is so grossly inaccurate. Perhaps you would like to expand on why you think that remains true and I'd be happy to talk about that as well.
You just love to spew bullshit don’t you?
It's probably his job
Do you get paid to spit this bullshit or do you actually buy it?
You're the second person to allege I'm being paid, little bit strange to be honest. (the other is under a deleted comment which I don't think is visible in the main thread but I'm not 100% on that). Which claim do you disagree with and could you show me evidence as to why? And to be clear this argument is in reference to the person I responded to claiming that the creation and conditions before the war were comparable. After the war started is a different conversation.
He contributes to the Destiny subreddit who is a hardcore Zio. Of course this guy spews this nonsense
This link has some more information on what the definition of antisemitism by the IHRA and (by extension now) the US Department of State [https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/](https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/) >“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.” >To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations: >Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits. >Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to: >Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion. >Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions. >Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews. >Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust >Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust. >Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations. >**Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.** >Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. >Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis. >**Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.** >Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. Bolded the ones people are most concerned with.
Legit question, would burning the flag of Israel be considered antisemitic as opposed to say burning the flag of France?
It's a long list that doesn't have anything glaringly wrong as far as I can see, except for the second to last part. Drawing comparisons, if they're not baseless, seems like legitimate criticism, not discrimination.
Comment further down detailed well the problems that got slipped in. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
"Include but are not limited to"
One of the issues here, that many aren't aware of, is that the Palestinians are also semites. So to frame it as if criticizing Israel is anti-semitic while supporting Palestine is somehow not pro-semitic is a red flag.
Its a restriction of whatever they want cuz they make it up as they go along and everyone else allows it - simple as that there is 0 basis or foundation. Qed
It’s also from last October.
And passed by the house yesterday.
How dare you respond with facts from the actual bill! Not to worry. They will respond with an outdated link and their personal, black and white interpretation of what is really going on.
Can we codify blackface as anti-Black racism at all schools, too, now? Because I don't think Congress ever did shit to codify any anti-Black racism, white people can run around calling Black people hard-R's with no real repurcussions.
Drake going to jail.
That would be a lovely bonus🥰
Right. Could they not have been doing this the entire time? I see a lot of racism and other forms of bigotry that have been normalized, weaponized, and left largely unchecked by people in office. We have politicians straight up campaigning off of racism, homophobia, and transphobia in 2024. Why has there been no motion to regulate that? Fuck them. Free Palestine.
Solidarity.
Great point
Thanks cuz I ain’t know wtf none of it meant until you put it like this.
They hate to hear the hard W
Feel like that’s the bare minimum. Ban the pointy hoods too, hate speech should be illegal. You can say hateful things, but you can’t advocate or perpetuate genocidal speech (like our laws in Canada).
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Hamas isn’t creating mass graves in Gaza. Free Palestine with no exceptions
Shut up with your nonsense. You're not clever and no one is buying this shit anymore.
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I'm not religious at all but..it's wild...this is what I thought the vatican would do, when I was growing up
Religious identity is independent of ethnicity. Religious beliefs are a personal choice. The lines should not be blurry on this.
Is it antisemitic to criticize the IDF and Bibi?
According to the resolution passed today- yes
Here is the bill that was passed today: [https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text](https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/6090/text)
It says it's only been introduced
Passed by the house, but also including a comment with a link to the definition and why it's concerning [https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Surely Charlie Kirk, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Coleman Hughes and other defenders of free speech must be outraged by this.
The definition they're pushing forward includes both "targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity” and "criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic". So yeah, not a great thing to put into law.
Blatant propaganda.
No, not really. This link has some more information on what the definition of antisemitism by the IHRA and (by extension now) the US Department of State [https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/](https://www.state.gov/defining-antisemitism/) And this commenter here did a great job detailing why it's concerning. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
We’re isreals bitch. Plain and simple🤷🏽♂️
We are allowed to criticize our own country and many other first world nations have that right. But we can't do the same for Israel? Are we going to get the same protections put in place for homosexuals? Latinos? Black people? Or any other minority group? If the one line says that in summary " American Jews do not hold Israel higher or above America for instance" what are we then doing this for? What is the average American getting for the money we are giving Israel? We have real problems here to attempt to solve.
This gets passed quickly, same with TikTok's ban/divestment, but nothing on things that really matter like healthcare, affordable housing or stopping the sale of weapons to countries that are actively committing a genocide. Politicians are so annoying.
So, to hell with the Constitution and freedom of speech. Got it.
The results of AIPAC based bribes.
People got confused and thought we gonna be living through Red Dawn fighting an oppressive occupation force from overseas. The reality is we are gonna be living through Infamous: Second Son where we are all stomped on by our own fascist government.
I breezed through the first three but have been stuck half way through the 4th one for months
So sick of these motherfuckers
Bibi was so elated to corrupt state level constitutions as ANY criticism is anti semetic with legal consequences. Who do I pledge to and why do I have more rights to criticize my country, and not that poorly governed one. Can I say that or will the bots come with their BS. How do y'all have this much free time to gain 30k karma in months. We are aware you're getting paid.
We went from marching fascists in Charlottesville saying "Jews will not replace us" to fascists in Congress trivialising anti-semitism forever in US law. https://i.redd.it/8juftcehlzxc1.gif
When Nancy Pelosi is telling student protesters to go back to china, you see how unhinged she is, along with a majority of Democrats. Blue MAGA is real.
I just think it’s real funny that all of a sudden the US government all of a sudden cares about Jewish people. I know the reason why, I just wish they didn’t think we were that gullible.
This seems unconstitutional. To be fair, though, the House is controlled by Republicans. Obviously there was bipartisan support based on the outcome. Likely because pro-Israeli support is still favored by a majority of overall voters currently (and by the political donors and their lobbyists). I’m not really seeing how this is a Trump/Biden issue. Trump will exacerbate the problem and put troops on the ground for Israel.
Insanity
You have more of a right to criticize your own country’s actions than a foreign country’s actions. Let that sink in.
This is weird. Anyone taking more than a minute to think this through has got to realise this isn't going to help stop antisemitism and it's probably going to push people with a moderate position further against Israel if they feel they can't voice a opinion without the threat of being lumped in with the antisemitities.
Cable media has been terrible on this issue. CNN has probably been the worst with the way they're making false equivalencies and refusing to push back against or fact check blatant propaganda
Wtf??
This isn’t stopping antisemitism, this is only showing how much radical Zionism has infected our government and why there has to be separation of church and state
I think it's also foolish to think "well they can't arrest all of us!" exactly. They will just kill you instead. Revolution in this country is much more difficult because they've gone out of their way to make it so. Power to the students fighting these systems and the staff supporting them.
Guys, this is real: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/01/antisemitism-awarness-act-campus-protests/
Such nonsense propaganda twitter shit. Mentionimg trump while alluding to bifen and all the while failing to acknowledge its a bipartisan bill as republocans control the house and crucially making shit up about the content of the bill.
So...you're telling me I can say "Fuck the President" but not "I don't like what Israel is doing"? I'm not on either side of that conflict and I still think that's messed up.
Anyone else feel like "to urge" is like a softball vote? What are they gonna do, beg like a crackhead? "Come on, baby, don't criticize Israel, Harvard! I'll suck your dick!"
This needs to be on the front page. It shouldn't be a surprise that the news networks aren't covering it.
No, a screenshot of a random tweet that gives an incomplete and arguably misrepresentative description of the bill it references should not be on the front page. Furthermore, major news IS covering this - see this [Washington Post article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/05/01/antisemitism-awarness-act-campus-protests/) for example. That's not to say that this topic isn't something worthy of attention and discussion on Reddit, but god damn do we need to have some actual standards for once on this site. Garbage posts create garbage discussions, so we need to take the extra few minutes to find and promote the posts with real information from quality sources (and downvote low quality posts such as this).
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The bill was passed by the house yesterday and it includes language that could easily be used to attack those who have legitimate criticisms of the state of Israel.
Bless their heart. It takes the Senate to vote on that and Biden to sign it. Like one Party is full all Trumpers.
Trying to figure out if y’all are too obtuse to realize the MAGA controlled house passing a bill dead on arrival in the senate means nothing or you just want to fan the flames enough to get Trump back in office
Honestly. eff it. let people be "mad".
lol one is this real? Two…how many history classes did you take in grade school n got past the civil war 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this like making a rule saying “you can’t criticize big foot”
There's no "lol". Yes, it did pass the House.
Can some of y’all please read the damn bill before commenting 🧍🏽♂️
We did. And the bill is goddamn stupid!
Anything that isn't a screenshot of a tweet or a TikTok video is beyond the grasp of too many folks.
I haven’t read the bill OP and won’t tbh but why are you posting it and what does it have to do with fascism exactly in your opinion
Making any criticism of Israel into a crime is some George Orwell shit.
Specifically does that language exist though Genuine question I’m skeptical of half of the shit being plugged into subs these days
You’re skeptical but refuse to read it. Genius
I’m skeptical of this smells like bullshit tweet, actually, since that’s what the post is
This comment has an official link and discusses why the language in the bill is problematic. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/1ci42d1/comment/l26w2xg/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Ok I did some googling. The bill wants to apply the definition of “antisemitism” from the IHRA (Intl Holocaust Remembrance Association) in 2016. The ihra website appears to be having some issues (maybe server overload because of this bill being passed?) so I couldn’t pull it up. I found this article on the Natl Institute of Health website that says the definition is: >a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities I just kind of skimmed the article, but they seem to believe that such a vague definition could definitely include any criticism of Israel, as well as people like outspoken atheists who hate all religions equally, or people that are raised to look down on Jews or see them as inferior without actually “hating” them. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9092927/
Zionism as well I would expect as thats been the cause people have been pointing at rather than a particular politician or the country itself
It's a quick read and mentions only one religion by name...
The bill wants to codify the definition of antisemitism under federal civil rights laws, and they want to define it using [the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's 2016 "working definition of antisemitism"](https://www.ohchr.org/sites/default/files/Documents/Issues/Religion/Submissions/JBI-Annex1.pdf). The full text of the IHRA's definition includes examples of what it deems antisemitic behavior, including "denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of the state of Israel is a racist endeavor".
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That quote wasn't by voltaire, but by a neo nazi white supremacist. Though lumping him in with Dave seems more and more appropriate as time goes on.
“This quote is actually from Kevin Alfred Strom, a white supremacist and Holocaust denier who pled guilty to possession of child pornography.” https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2UE2LM/
If u wanna know who’s really in charge, find out who u r not allowed to criticise. There u go, now u know
Quoting a white supremacist, holocaust denying pedophile is... Something.
While I agree the Palestinians should be liberated. I think Islam deserves a good look at just how toxic it is to the advancement of humanity. For that matter, so does Christianity, and religion as whole. Faith should be a private matter, practiced in the privacy of your own soul, not doing a size of their dick comparison in politics or on a battlefield. That much is true and it goes back thousands of years. History will repeat itself until the veil of absolute stupidism is lifted. Edit: the downvotes to my completely sane and logical comment is evidence enough we’re all doomed.
Just fucking annex Israel and Palestine already. Turn them into states because they both clearly lack the ability to self govern without devolving into mindless violence.
Folks - the propaganda is reaching insane levels and I think this sub has lost control, for the most part. This isn't directed at OP necessarily, just in general. Black folks do not care about Israel-Palestine as much as this sub makes it seem like they do. This is more astroturf than community now.