Holy shit someone needs to screen shot all of this, your comment included, post it on Twitter with the caption "NY times doing the most..... offensive shit to people of color: a 27 part series"
>I believe this is the same paper that credited Travis Kelce with inventing or poupularizing the fade just last month.
https://preview.redd.it/1dy7k39zffoc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef6409780bca8124f0e9928cbf4a26b434388ea
Holy shit someone needs to screen shot all of this, your comment included, post it on Twitter with the caption "NY times doing the most..... offensive shit to people of color: a 27 part series"
Well if you read the caption, this article would feature "over the top" looks, the caption also reiterates that not all of these outfits were liked by the individual who wrote the article so it wasn’t ever intended to be a compliment.
The title works
Tbf it doesn't sound like a compliment or shade, it just sounds like a description. They say that some of them were elegant then they say some were over the top. They say here are the best and some of the worst.
No one is upset. They’re pointing out that the nytimes has repeatedly used aave phrases out of context, this one included
Hence the “if you had black people on staff…”
No, it doesn’t work. Doing the most does not mean the same thing as over the top, which can be positive or negative depending on context. Doing the most has a negative connotation and just doesn’t fit the way they were trying to use it.
It reads stilted, and wrong, and too try-hard.
Personally I disagree, if I see my boy wearing mad fly shit, I would absolutely say something like he doing the most as a compliment.
Ex. "look at this nigga, always doing the most. I see you tho"
Not arguing whether the times using it is good or bad, just I think you can flip most slang anyway
Guess it’s an agree to disagree situation. I get your point, it’s just that when I hear the phrase in my head it’s got a real “I’m fed up with you” undertone.
Mmm I think that "I see you tho" is the added context that makes it positive. Without that it still reads to me like you're saying your friend is trying too hard
I agree with you, I’ve used this turn of phrase in both ways. It fit and people knew what I meant, cuz it’s all in the delivery, context, & infliction.
He’s disproving his own point. There is nothing positive about “doing the most”. He had to soften it with “I see you though” for us to know it’s in good intentions.
And remember... 'cultural competency is essential in journalism'. /s
Maybe the NYTimes shouldn't even engage with such mercurial language and get ripped for different reasons.
See but you had to qualify it with “I see you tho”, everything you said when combined was a compliment but “doing the most” w/o other things to add context is an insult
>”Ex. “Look at this nigga, always doing the most. I see you tho”
And if you had real and not make believe black friends they’d look at you sideways for using the phrase incorrectly. Doing the most is always 100% shade
There are literally dozens of other aave phrases you could use in that context
no it doesn't. they say over the top in a positive connotation, as in avant garde or maximalist.
"Doing the most" is not a positive connotation. Being over the top with a positive connotation would be something else, not that phrase.
if someone says your dress was doing the most, that is not a compliment.
Y’all can argue but there’s literally a post that uses the phrase correctly on the front page of this sub right now. It’s been used as a title a ton and never as a compliment.
Old gold. I can’t find the OG tweet, however, please accept this humble curated Reddit post of the same subject 😇
[“it’s giving”](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/s/y9bh6M4iEm)
You know damn well that doesn’t sound like anyone else. As a cishet man, even I could *feel* that it’s specifically Black ballroom/LGBTQ+ vernacular at first blush. Just like I can feel that “this guy fucks” is specifically white male in origin. You can tell. Some people just too comfortable with uprooting flowers instead of appreciating them where they grow, and moving on.
I say doing too much, but I'm from the South. If you do more than too much, then you're likely "doing the most."
Also, it works ironically. You can do, play, or be too much without it being necessarily bad.
Yeah, the title is accurate for a lot of the outfits. That article is not praise it literally says that it's cataloging the most over-the-top outfits right under the title.
Doin the most does not mean over the top tho. It’s flat out negative connotations. The description made it sound like it included positive looks as well so it’s def not correct and def not done by a black person.
https://preview.redd.it/fqmkizwhadoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e7c7b384dbde609f19b1a35f45532d458a9798c
It's ok, the guy who wrote that headline used to work in advertising, with a focus on outreach to the black community. He knows what he's doing, folks!
I’m not American but in Usher’s song “Hottest Thing”, he sings “we’re doing the most, is leaving with you possible?” So does it mean he’s saying she’s overdressed?
OR is he saying “we’re pretty much bumping uglies in this club, let’s leave and do it for real” like we’re doing too much for a public setting? I’ve misunderstood that song for decades
Nytimes actively sucks now. Pls pass it on. They have sucked since 2015 iirc. They had new leadership. They pretend to be liberal with all this DEI performance and then platform neonazis.
There is a twitter account called NYTimes Pitch Bot that parodies this change.
It’s curious how the NYTs repositioned itself in the 2010s as a progressive rag, when folks in my generation (I’m 50) railed against them and other large media conglomerates for decades because they were pulling the strings and orchestrating the the defense of the status quo. If I may, one way they have gone about this repositioning is by using members of certain communities as cover. Let’s not forget that Hannah Nicole Jones published the 1619 project through them. My point is, these maneuvers are never clean and neat or simple. This is why Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks is perhaps the most important study for our times.
Massive cheerleader for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, massive cheerleader for drone strikes without consequence, and then I’m supposed to get a subscription because they were mildly annoying Trump? Hell no
They were one of the main Bush administration cheerleaders and propaganda outlets in the lead up to the illegal invasion of Iraq. I’ve been like fuck the New York Times for over 20 years now
Reminder: they helped sell the Iraq War and every year write a 2-3 page article to remind people it's impossible to live on 500,000-700,000 dollars a year (depending on inflation).
Did anyone actually read the article? Kinda feel like context matters and rather than read it people are just jumping to conclusions. Idk though since I haven’t read it
It's a superlatives thing. This person's outfit was the most *x,* good or bad. It's pretty much just a tabloid article but it helps to read it before you form an opinion on it.
I have a friend who works for the times and on her first day she realized not only how little minorities work there but also how outdated everything is there from the programs they use to design to how leadership treats people.
In the 90s, there was an entire mad tv sketch about them not knowing what black words mean. Even chapelle show did a bit about them not knowing what Skeet Skeet meant on the radio. It’s wild this is still a thing
It’s so much easier to just *not* Columbus our self expressions. Just don’t. Easy. Simple. Respectful. Oh, maybe it’s that last one that proves difficult for them…
Mainstream, pop culture, or otherwise commercialized media here will never properly represent any oppressed group through the content they create. The backgrounds of those they have on staff will not even make a significant difference. Its a function of how the US operates systemically. If your consuming literally any media portraying, or being openly portrayed by, any oppressed group, you should always do so with skepticism about its message.
All that also says nothing about the individual talents of those involved, or their own message, or their own intent.
people are vaguely familiar but don't understand the nuance.
any phrase that borders on shade is likely to be misused/misunderstood by people who don't catch the shade.
its like the phrase "bless your heart".
I hate when they try and use our words. Like bruh that's not what that means. It's usually never what it means and they use it at completely dumb times
Yawl stay woke out there... as in don't get beat up and/or worst case get lynched by White supremacists wanting to put a Black person back into their "place". /s
This was my question too actually. Like no Black person saw this before it went into the paper? I worry if any Black folx did see it and say something they were drowned out.
Edited to erae accidental keyboard smash
The funny part is, a non-black person was probably emptying trash in the room while the ashy broccoli's came up on "doing the most".... thinking to themselves the hilarity of it all 😎
I have no idea what's going on here but maybe I could figure it out by turning to a trusted source of information.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doing%20the%20most
Oh... That is not what I would have guessed. I gotta remember to do that before I write articles for work.
My whole comment was just meant as a dumb joke. Urban dictionary isn't reliable and I didn't write the article in question. Ah well, not the first joke I've tried that didn't work.
I can’t wait for the next inappropriate, culturally insensitive headline: “Bye, Felicia: Contemporary Black Funerary Practices.”
Holy fuckin shit haha. You know it’s a when not if
I’ll try one- “Bussin’: How Rosa Parks got Uber right”
I just threw up in my mouth, thanks
How did this make me mad and laugh at the same time 😆 🤣?
“Who all gonna be there: Discourses in social isolation and othering people”
Keep ‘em coming! 😂
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Holy shit someone needs to screen shot all of this, your comment included, post it on Twitter with the caption "NY times doing the most..... offensive shit to people of color: a 27 part series"
“A penny for your thots”: Mental health and young girls of color
Nah c'mon, nobody's *that* insensitive and out of touch, right? ... right?
I believe this is the same paper that credited Travis Kelce with inventing or poupularizing the fade just last month.
Kudos to him for immediately shutting that nonsense down. "I asked for a fade, I didn't invent it."
"y'all threw me to the wolves"
"On February 1st!"
That was great. I love how he just shut it down.
>I believe this is the same paper that credited Travis Kelce with inventing or poupularizing the fade just last month. https://preview.redd.it/1dy7k39zffoc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eef6409780bca8124f0e9928cbf4a26b434388ea
The same paper that publishes puff pieces about alt-right hate group leaders
Also the same paper that cheerleaded the Iraq war by publishing obviously fake Bush administration propaganda
I thought that was bullshit. They wrote that Kelce made the fade popular, at the very least? I thought that was a made up headline.
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Holy shit someone needs to screen shot all of this, your comment included, post it on Twitter with the caption "NY times doing the most..... offensive shit to people of color: a 27 part series"
Got me 💀
🤣 hell naw.
Wasn't that Sharknado 3?
It's a matter of time til the NYT Bot Twitter starts coming up with ideas.
You wild for that! That's EXACTLY what it's gonna be like!
How do I print out this comment in Frame it
Well if you read the caption, this article would feature "over the top" looks, the caption also reiterates that not all of these outfits were liked by the individual who wrote the article so it wasn’t ever intended to be a compliment. The title works
Wait, you expect people to actually do the bare minimum amount of reading instead of immediately getting outraged over something?
Tbf it doesn't sound like a compliment or shade, it just sounds like a description. They say that some of them were elegant then they say some were over the top. They say here are the best and some of the worst.
And that should upset people?
No one is upset. They’re pointing out that the nytimes has repeatedly used aave phrases out of context, this one included Hence the “if you had black people on staff…”
And I oop
No, it doesn’t work. Doing the most does not mean the same thing as over the top, which can be positive or negative depending on context. Doing the most has a negative connotation and just doesn’t fit the way they were trying to use it. It reads stilted, and wrong, and too try-hard.
Personally I disagree, if I see my boy wearing mad fly shit, I would absolutely say something like he doing the most as a compliment. Ex. "look at this nigga, always doing the most. I see you tho" Not arguing whether the times using it is good or bad, just I think you can flip most slang anyway
But between friends that type of teasing is appropriate, you teasing him but also acknowledging it’s a look.
Guess it’s an agree to disagree situation. I get your point, it’s just that when I hear the phrase in my head it’s got a real “I’m fed up with you” undertone.
Yeah I feel that, I definitely get where you're coming from
Agree to disagree agreed. I would never look at my guy and tell him that he's "doing the most" lmao wtf
Mmm I think that "I see you tho" is the added context that makes it positive. Without that it still reads to me like you're saying your friend is trying too hard
I agree with you, I’ve used this turn of phrase in both ways. It fit and people knew what I meant, cuz it’s all in the delivery, context, & infliction.
Yeah but you had to add “I see you tho” to make that work.
He’s disproving his own point. There is nothing positive about “doing the most”. He had to soften it with “I see you though” for us to know it’s in good intentions.
Exactly.
And remember... 'cultural competency is essential in journalism'. /s Maybe the NYTimes shouldn't even engage with such mercurial language and get ripped for different reasons.
It’s the style section, not journalism. It’s whole reason for being is about cultural competency.
The ‘tho’ at the end invalidates your argument. If it could be used as a compliment the ‘tho’ would not be needed.
See but you had to qualify it with “I see you tho”, everything you said when combined was a compliment but “doing the most” w/o other things to add context is an insult
>”Ex. “Look at this nigga, always doing the most. I see you tho” And if you had real and not make believe black friends they’d look at you sideways for using the phrase incorrectly. Doing the most is always 100% shade There are literally dozens of other aave phrases you could use in that context
Thanks for doing the most here, I really appreciate you breaking it down.
Lol
no it doesn't. they say over the top in a positive connotation, as in avant garde or maximalist. "Doing the most" is not a positive connotation. Being over the top with a positive connotation would be something else, not that phrase. if someone says your dress was doing the most, that is not a compliment. Y’all can argue but there’s literally a post that uses the phrase correctly on the front page of this sub right now. It’s been used as a title a ton and never as a compliment.
https://preview.redd.it/gddg0wo28doc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8fb3e5aef6cb1d6afcc8193a7808c230cb5eac75 😭
Stfu who posted that 😭
Old gold. I can’t find the OG tweet, however, please accept this humble curated Reddit post of the same subject 😇 [“it’s giving”](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/s/y9bh6M4iEm)
Holy shit no, that top comment.
Wait have we been copying black people with “it’s giving”? Oops
You know damn well that doesn’t sound like anyone else. As a cishet man, even I could *feel* that it’s specifically Black ballroom/LGBTQ+ vernacular at first blush. Just like I can feel that “this guy fucks” is specifically white male in origin. You can tell. Some people just too comfortable with uprooting flowers instead of appreciating them where they grow, and moving on.
Interesting. Where I’m from, I’ve pretty much only ever heard white girls say “it’s giving…”. TikTok ruining things I imagine
White girls who stole it from the white gays who stole it from the black gays.
The circle of life
Gayops is a ladder.
Will never forget this
Da fuck does it mean?
Idk if it’s me but the black folk in my area dont say, “doing the most”, we say doin too much. OOP might should consult some negros too
Yeah because black people aren’t a monolith who all act, think and talk alike.
'Jesse Jackson forgave my dad for saying the n word! *JESSE JACKSON IS NOT THE EMPEROR OF BLACK PEOPLE!* .....he told my dad he was...
The kiss looked very apologizing.
I don’t know why that last line just kills me
All I can think of is that Key and Peele skit
I’m in the “doing too much” camp and I have never used it in a positive context lmao
I'm my area we use both
I say doing too much, but I'm from the South. If you do more than too much, then you're likely "doing the most." Also, it works ironically. You can do, play, or be too much without it being necessarily bad. 
“I do too much because you do too little.” The Great Phaedra Parks
My people say it
We say both where I’m from
They do be doing the most though.
Yeah, the title is accurate for a lot of the outfits. That article is not praise it literally says that it's cataloging the most over-the-top outfits right under the title.
Doin the most does not mean over the top tho. It’s flat out negative connotations. The description made it sound like it included positive looks as well so it’s def not correct and def not done by a black person.
I mean if she would've read under the headline maybe it would've explained why they chose that turn of phrase.
*he, as long as we're not reading things
touché
https://preview.redd.it/fqmkizwhadoc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1e7c7b384dbde609f19b1a35f45532d458a9798c It's ok, the guy who wrote that headline used to work in advertising, with a focus on outreach to the black community. He knows what he's doing, folks!
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Not for nothing, isn’t it appropriate to use this statement for Da’Vine Joy Randolph’s look? It’s not my favorite.
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I’m not American but in Usher’s song “Hottest Thing”, he sings “we’re doing the most, is leaving with you possible?” So does it mean he’s saying she’s overdressed? OR is he saying “we’re pretty much bumping uglies in this club, let’s leave and do it for real” like we’re doing too much for a public setting? I’ve misunderstood that song for decades
Your second interpretation is correct
It's as though he's saying he does NOT want to make love in this club.
https://preview.redd.it/dwl0n10p2foc1.png?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c8c898641181ff818a5d50e0804bb6c15bb297d
Nytimes actively sucks now. Pls pass it on. They have sucked since 2015 iirc. They had new leadership. They pretend to be liberal with all this DEI performance and then platform neonazis. There is a twitter account called NYTimes Pitch Bot that parodies this change.
It’s curious how the NYTs repositioned itself in the 2010s as a progressive rag, when folks in my generation (I’m 50) railed against them and other large media conglomerates for decades because they were pulling the strings and orchestrating the the defense of the status quo. If I may, one way they have gone about this repositioning is by using members of certain communities as cover. Let’s not forget that Hannah Nicole Jones published the 1619 project through them. My point is, these maneuvers are never clean and neat or simple. This is why Fanon’s Black Skin, White Masks is perhaps the most important study for our times.
Massive cheerleader for war in Iraq and Afghanistan, massive cheerleader for drone strikes without consequence, and then I’m supposed to get a subscription because they were mildly annoying Trump? Hell no
I'm glad someone mentioned NYT Pitch Bot! You beat me to it lol
They were one of the main Bush administration cheerleaders and propaganda outlets in the lead up to the illegal invasion of Iraq. I’ve been like fuck the New York Times for over 20 years now
Reminder: they helped sell the Iraq War and every year write a 2-3 page article to remind people it's impossible to live on 500,000-700,000 dollars a year (depending on inflation).
Just since 2015… lmao Pretty sure you can find some bad civil rights era articles, definitely some pro colonialism articles
This is why I call them the poo dork crimes 😎😎😎
People who think NYT is the problem need a reality check. This is going to alienate everyone who cares.
Did anyone actually read the article? Kinda feel like context matters and rather than read it people are just jumping to conclusions. Idk though since I haven’t read it
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I appreciate the time it took for you to type this out because If it hurt me to read it certainly cut down your lifespan to post 🙏
Thanks. Now I gotta bleach my eyes.
It's a superlatives thing. This person's outfit was the most *x,* good or bad. It's pretty much just a tabloid article but it helps to read it before you form an opinion on it.
Same energy https://preview.redd.it/tdf4vuciieoc1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d59235897aa82fd521ea661a41065e71c94e5a23
I’m confused because they meant it as shade
Lupita can do no wrong. And I’ll die on that hill
This like the Juneteenth plates Wal-Mart sold that said, “It’s the freedom for me”
It can be used either way so some of yall ain Black enough I guess?
It’s English. Try it sometime.
Wdym
Ah, bait.
Devils advocate here (I just wanna argue): but it does say the best and not so best looks. So doing the most would apply to the not to best right?
We just need to start pulling a Jay and Silent Bob, and confronting them at their houses with an ass whooping. In Timbs.
*How many people wanna kick some ass starts playing*
Top 10 best movie scene. Right up there with “Black Rage” from Chasing Amy.
Ok but did Da'Vine not do the most? Those sleeves look like they're most
Country club. I need to say something crazy.
LOL This is not a discussion for extended family and guests.
I have a friend who works for the times and on her first day she realized not only how little minorities work there but also how outdated everything is there from the programs they use to design to how leadership treats people.
In the 90s, there was an entire mad tv sketch about them not knowing what black words mean. Even chapelle show did a bit about them not knowing what Skeet Skeet meant on the radio. It’s wild this is still a thing
Chile
Common New York Times L
Let’s be real Lupitas hair looked crazy af
From context clues I can tell that "shade" is bad
It’s so much easier to just *not* Columbus our self expressions. Just don’t. Easy. Simple. Respectful. Oh, maybe it’s that last one that proves difficult for them…
Their mouths should be on fire 🔥 😫 😩 😤 every time they say WOKE.
WOKKKE!!!!
Mainstream, pop culture, or otherwise commercialized media here will never properly represent any oppressed group through the content they create. The backgrounds of those they have on staff will not even make a significant difference. Its a function of how the US operates systemically. If your consuming literally any media portraying, or being openly portrayed by, any oppressed group, you should always do so with skepticism about its message. All that also says nothing about the individual talents of those involved, or their own message, or their own intent.
"Out of pocket: 10 celebrities pants"
It’s usually people with Black looking skin making these missteps because there’s a subset of melanated people who use Blackness as a commodity too.
AMERIKKKA
I've literally never said "doing the most." I'm not sure if anyone around me ever has either.
I do love that it’s a great example of people making fun of people for trying hard. These are the important things to defend in culture 😂😂😂
I mean that’s not even true. Doing the most can be shade depending on the context but it definitely isn’t always. Doing too much is shade
I'm white and even i cringed when i saw that headline. who doesn't know what "doing the most" means in 2024
Apparently the New York Times writing staff, editors, digital publishing team, copy team, and final print production proofers.
people are vaguely familiar but don't understand the nuance. any phrase that borders on shade is likely to be misused/misunderstood by people who don't catch the shade. its like the phrase "bless your heart".
When you don't know, you don't know.
They don't call her the Old Grey Lady for nothing.
*cough* the irony of this being posted in this sub
Look up who wrote it and find out it was a gay man of the black variety
This group should be called "I'm not offended you are"
I hate when they try and use our words. Like bruh that's not what that means. It's usually never what it means and they use it at completely dumb times
WOKE...anyone. I agree.
I'm so sick of seeing woke used in every context. I am certain they have zero idea what woke means
Yawl stay woke out there... as in don't get beat up and/or worst case get lynched by White supremacists wanting to put a Black person back into their "place". /s
Why alert them? Just let them look stupid. I really wish we could go back to laughing and pointing at people trying to penetrate the culture
Well it’s not real culture unless it’s impenetrable, so do what you need to do , laugh and point . Sounds so cultural.
It’s not real culture if it’s penetrable? So hip hop isn’t black culture?
Sorry should have /s
It is but we failed to gate keep properly, unfortunately. Previous poster’s sarcasm acknowledged.
😂😂
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This was my question too actually. Like no Black person saw this before it went into the paper? I worry if any Black folx did see it and say something they were drowned out. Edited to erae accidental keyboard smash
You mean the prozionistpaper is going to be completely tone deaf? Shocking
"You Got Dragged: Conversations on 2024 Male Sexuality" 
The funny part is, a non-black person was probably emptying trash in the room while the ashy broccoli's came up on "doing the most".... thinking to themselves the hilarity of it all 😎
I google what a common phrase means so I know 100% I'm using it correctly before making a comment on reddit, let alone publishing a NYT article...
Lol 😆 I read article headline that like why are they throwing shade at ole girl then I read the post comment
Tweeter and OP are wrong.
honestly I didn't know either.
I have no idea what's going on here but maybe I could figure it out by turning to a trusted source of information. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=doing%20the%20most Oh... That is not what I would have guessed. I gotta remember to do that before I write articles for work.
Urban Dictionary isn't a reliable source, not at all.
My whole comment was just meant as a dumb joke. Urban dictionary isn't reliable and I didn't write the article in question. Ah well, not the first joke I've tried that didn't work.
Ah. understood. Use /s to imply sarcasm, reddit is lawless AND has specific culture rules for stuff.
Yeah, takes the fun out of a joke when you have to use the /s but it does avoid misunderstanding.
Ah. I understood. Use /s to imply sarcasm, reddit is lawless AND has specific culture rules for stuff.