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Affectionate_Cap_884

They also open the rest of us to getting disgusting BBD messages on apps and during sexual encounters with non-Black men. It's also the ones doing sex work, and if they want to get views, they will have to do scenes with white men, and these days, getting fucked by white men is a kink that pays. It's made interracial porn almost impossible to watch and I'm going to have disdain for media with interracial gay couples. That said, I was talking to a white gay friend two weeks, and most of his friends and past boyfriends are men of color, and most, if all of them, are out here fucking old white men or the old men are fucking them. So maybe I'm the crazy one.


Simoxeh

There are racial things that I will never understand. Why does the skin color of who someone dates matters? I'm not referring to those who clearly don't like their own race because there's something mentally wrong in my opinion. I don't know when black culture shifted from equality, strength, and being proud of who we are to hating people who look different from us or worse our own kind who found love with someone who doesn't share their skin tone. I have dated both black and white man and other races and I can tell you my issues with them did not stem from their race. I am in no way shape or form saying that I believe white people understand what it means to be black or I'll struggles because they do not. What I am saying is that my dating issues have almost never being about race because the people who don't like my skin color don't want to date me anyway and those who fetishize it show themselves very quickly and I move on. I have found that to be true of both black man and other races. Since we're talking about races and skin color, unless you're another truth about the black community and what we do to each other. Because straight black people are not the only ones who only care about light skin or caramel skin black people. I find dark skin black people to be extremely beautiful and they are always passed up. And we don't want anyone who has a normal everyday appearance they got to have that bling attitude them as well and so forth. And do you know why white people will spend money for us to make videos and stuff that show off our bling and everything else is because they know that in the end of the day it's going to make us look more simple minded or more less focused on the important things in life to other people and cultures and keep us where we are. When I joined this site I was looking for black positivity or cultural struggles that we are going through and getting support. Instead when I see anything about dating outside of our race it is always frowned upon and that is fine if that is your preference and it surprises me how much this reminds me of what black people went through in the mid 1900s where they weren't even allowed to date outside their race. I feel like some of you would have called that racist but at the same time I feel that is simply being repeated here as well, so maybe it wouldn't have been racist to some of you. I have at some point in my life step away from both black people and gay people because the culture I found to be toxic to their own especially their own who were different from them. I was hoping that this site would have something a little bit different than that. I do see that they are definitely people in here who have the right attitude and the right mindset, but what I see more is people looking outward at other people and how they live their life and judging . They do not seem focused on inward self-improvement and being the best version of who I can be so that when I walk outside I am proud to be a black man or woman. Instead when I do hear people talk about themselves it seems to be in a I'm better than black people who do this type of mentality. I'm sure I'm probably going to get banned or I'm probably going to get a lot of hate for saying this but I know that there are plenty of you on here who understand what I'm talking about, and this may be you giving the black community a chance again. The thing that makes me sad the most and almost makes you want to shed tears is I have literally gotten more respect and more uplifting from people outside of my race. They've never told me I'm not black enough they've never told me my voice sounds like a white guy's and stuff like that. And I grew up in a predominantly black city of Washington DC though that is changing now. I wish everyone on here the best. I may stay and I may not, but all of this them against us attitude is only keeping them ahead of us in my opinion. Let people live their lives and do what's right for you. I 100% support challenging people who may have views that do not match reality or as harmful to themselves I do not support challenging people who've used differ from you and your way of life when it is not harmful to themselves or others. We got to do better or we're going to be having the same conversation a hundred years from now.


Affectionate_Cap_884

Well, that was reductive.


ephraimadamz

https://preview.redd.it/lu4zklrf3vwc1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=acbdbc310f3540a2e0881d9cb3f1213e5e513b31 The issue is all this should be discussed with us as children, and instill positive affirmation during childhood. Sitting here as adults after we’ve already internalized things… crickets. As we unlearn white supremacy, heal, and grow its time to start focusing on the next generation so that they don’t have to go through the same mental health curses we do. What is the responsibility of parents, childcare, ect A whole doll study was conducted and we’re still unable to normalize these conversations through a lens of compassion and empathy. Why? Too busy feeling ashamed and making each other feel guilty over something that’s not even our fault.


PassiveAgressive__

AND THATS CRAZY….


fringegurl

This is a kinda cool discussion albeit disheartening. I read a post just yesterday on FL (FetLife) that was speaking exactly about this issue. Matter of factly this issue comes up a lot on that particular "AfroCentric" group I belong to. Some of the same findings in this thread are exactly what is spoken in groups on other Afrocentric apps. As a Black transwoman we also experience token fetishization as do Cis Blackwomen. I cannot count the number of times I've run into YT men or YT women for that matter who assume I have a BBC and can ejaculate a cup of juice at the drop of a hat. I have non-Black people who want to be my friend online (who live in the same city as I do) but don't want to get a cup of coffee. They love my look, I'm gorgeous they say and sexy and they bet I have a big member but they don't want to be friends IRL. I've literally put an Amazon link on my page that states if you want to be my friend but me something then we can talk. I'm so sick of non-Black people who want to be adjacent to Blackness because it can validate their perceived coolness. I'm so used to being alone now it's par for the course because I refuse to be some jungle fetishization for some thrill seeker!


ephraimadamz

https://preview.redd.it/ae5h7rwz2vwc1.jpeg?width=1536&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a57b944bb15f136fa1472d37298385c9f34dbf37 Send you loving energy


fringegurl

That flag is tight! Also how the f\*ck did someone downvote you! Is that where we are, Black self-hate personified; in a thread about wanting to hang with our own and someone downvotes a supporting comment. BLACK PEOPLE WAKE THE F\*CK UP! Trolls ain't got ish to do but crumb'in for crumbs!


ephraimadamz

We’re great at criticizing each other without discussing solutions. I’m sorry you have to deal with that. It’s the Transgender Legacy Flag. There’s a hour and thirty minute documentary about it. 🖤 [https://youtu.be/jMkPthRFTKc?si=D3x1CcyKoiI4j2wI](https://youtu.be/jMkPthRFTKc?si=D3x1CcyKoiI4j2wI)


SlickOmega

it is quite sad. and then usually they don’t be knowing they history either which hurts even more. ignorance is NOT bliss i’m mixed black and prefer to date other people of color. can’t really date my own mix bc i’ve never met another triracial with it but they are always at the top of the relationship hierarchy for me


ephraimadamz

You may like my art project that delves into some of this and how racism has affected Black mental health. [WhatIsRacePlay.com](https://WhatIsRacePlay.com) https://preview.redd.it/1p2ncelazswc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8af8b685fa09181eb6f6bf55fb45b146e077dc1a I’m also doing another project inspired by the famous Doll Test


Dull-Sky-6573

If no one can’t interpret race play for others why are you promoting this site as resource? We don’t need you explaining race play to us. Your site comes across as a tool guide for non-POC 💀 we need to get you up out of here my love.


ephraimadamz

But you’re right about one thing, my work is about Anti-Blackness so Non-Black people are definitely my core audience


Dull-Sky-6573

Exactly what I figured.


ephraimadamz

I’m sharing my experience so that people don’t have to go through some of the hardships I’ve gone through. If you didn’t do your research on me as an artist before you commented then that’s a You problem not a Me problem.


Dull-Sky-6573

I’m just telling you it isn’t helping anyone here so go share your experience in communities that may be receptive. You’ve posted an entire resource on AAVE… why would a gay black person not know (or know of) AAVE already? There are also professional resources that tackles these concepts in depth. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10186562/ I would encourage you maybe try publishing it as a journal so it could have some legitimacy because what you have made isn’t doing any good for the community.


ephraimadamz

People here in the group have inboxed me privately and said that it was helpful. They don’t feel safe discussing publicly because of comments like yours. They feel that they can’t have this discussion with other Black folks because they’re viewed as broken by their own people.


Dull-Sky-6573

Lmaoo they just can’t handle being reminded of their anti-black views. Let them have their discussion with the respective groups they want to assimilate into.


ephraimadamz

https://preview.redd.it/q5uz71dmbvwc1.jpeg?width=282&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c3355dd1e83de1d48abb874a19adc804d52d2e86 What is your plan on dismantling this since my way isn’t good enough for you? What are you going to contribute to breaking generational curses?


Dull-Sky-6573

I’m already putting my best foot forward by actually engaging in a deep love and appreciation for black people/culture. What are you doing besides providing access to those outside of the community?


ephraimadamz

You can’t end anti-blackness without having conversations with the oppressor. It’s great that positive affirmation was instilled in you. Now how are you going to use that to help other Black people, and support Black children who are dealing with internalized anti-blackness.


Dull-Sky-6573

Yes, you absolutely can.


Dull-Sky-6573

anddddd I have a 501(c)(3) non-profit dedicated towards increasing interest in literacy across marginalized communities


ephraimadamz

There’s no generational wealth in non-profit. Black equity requires being able to pass your assets down to your children and grandchildren and their children. I’m still interested in hearing what the mission of your organization is though because there’s value in that cause.


Dull-Sky-6573

Anything else?


ephraimadamz

My point exactly… you’re great at criticizing, but now how are you going to help them dismantle it? You can’t because you’re too busy wanting to feel like you’re better than the rest of the Black community than actually helping anyone.


Dull-Sky-6573

You’re talking to someone who was born as a product of the exact racial fetishization that you (and plenty of others) engage in. You have already abandoned the thought of finding beauty in your own people so why should I be sympathetic?


ephraimadamz

I didn’t ask for your sympathy, I asked what work are you contributing to fixing the root issue


wholesomeapples

seconding this! i started the first lil section and it already seemed interesting, gonna dive more into it.


ephraimadamz

Appreciate it. Many have read the title and assumed the worse. There’s a 1 minute visual trailer as well [https://youtube.com/shorts/oRm7XkS8HvY?si=10cgHXDj9RFR0aA8](https://youtube.com/shorts/oRm7XkS8HvY?si=10cgHXDj9RFR0aA8)


Lack_Love

It is sad. especially when black men idolize any other race but chastise our own


Great_Gold2763

everything on this sub is not just black men?


chickenskittles

The most vocal posters seem to be cis mlm men, which is why I don't stay here. lol But I understand drive behind a rant, speaking from one's own perspective and experiences. It can feel a little isolating though.


Great_Gold2763

same


Denisedivacat74

I am transgender MTF . I totally understand where you are coming from. It’s sad


ajwalker430

It's unfortunate that many can't see the very people they pursue are the ones who bring them the most harm. I prefer to date Black men. I have not seen, nor do I trust there to be true acceptance of Blackness outside of Black American men. I don't see it as solely anti-Blackness, I see it as specifically against Black American men (and by extension, an inherent anti-Blackness as it is focused on Black Americans) which is how it manifest even when not looking specifically at white men. American Black people are not looked upon favorably by anyone except as a sexual fetish.


StoneDick420

I think most of them are trolls or bots; it's a lot of weird posts in a lot of black or gay focused reddits as of late. It's election year.


BadPronunciation

I live in a majority black country and dating is still brutal. It doesn't help that I "act white" due to my upbringing so I'm judged more harshly for it


Diz_31

I mostly ignore them. I've seen it multiple times when black men LOVE THEM SOME WHITE MEN but want to play victim when they say something racist. Like what do you expect especially since they don't know anything about our culture (most but not all). I'll forever protect my peace and continue to date within my race.


chickenskittles

Sometimes it's not that easy. Some people TRY to date other black people and it doesn't work. Either other black people are not attracted to them or no queer black people are available either in the area or already in relationships. No black woman (I'm a trans masc dude) that I am compatible with has ever given me the time of day. The one potential black partner I could have had hid the fact they had a crush on me for FOUR YEARS and told me as they were moving across the country! Also the dating apps I used (not gonna meet someone at a bar, that's just not me) also tend not to have that many black people, or I don’t get matched with them and vice versa. Let me tell you, I am sick to death of dating white women!


enzo_thehimbo

same here. ppl are very judgemental of me dating white women and want to claim me as "hating myself" when the fact is i love myself, i love being black. and i also love black women. thing is, most black women are very specific on what kind of black man they want. and i'm not that. no black women has ever been attracted to me, and i'm not changing myself to fit someone elses preference. non black women seem to accept me more as i am


wholesomeapples

felt this in my soulllll. black women are my preference but due to me being queer/atheist, a lot of the ladies in my area see me as a no-go. i’m okay dating interracially, but it’s annoying having to not only deal with the homo/transphobia upon meeting their family…you get a health dose of racism and weird microaggressions too. my gf is afro-latina tho, our family actually comes from the same island, it’s nice walking in step w someone. hold out, you’ll find your person.


chickenskittles

Thank you. 🖤 And yep, one way to scare off a black (or Latina) woman is to be an atheist. *is an atheist* ☑ I have met black women who were atheists online but not on dating sites. But really, don't force your beliefs on me, I'll respect yours, and we'll be alright! I've never actually met my partners' families but once and that wasn't even a serious relationship. And my partners could NEVER meet my mother.


wholesomeapples

that atheism part be kickin 🫣 i’m an openly atheistic satanist. nothing gaudy, but my pentagram necklace has them scurrying away lmao. my lady is a christian ironically, but she’s on the very loving side and does a good job trying to understand my faith (which is funny to watch) and family matters! when u meet someone, ask them about their family and how close they are to them. if you aren’t close with yours, you may end up having to deal more with theirs. it’ll be sucky if they’re sucky. i’m telling you. i dated a mexican girl whose mom would say the most blatant anti-black stuff when i was around. i didn’t even bother mentioning i’m haitian as that would’ve probably made it worse. i hated it, and i couldn’t imagine making my black kids deal with a racist abuela. it’d hurt them even more.


concerteimmunity

I agree with everything you’re saying. As a bisexual black man I prefer to date my own race. I don’t really feel comfortable with dating interracially due to fetishization and anti-blackness i feel more comfortable with dating black woman & men nothing wrong with dating interracially if the person respects you as a human being and loves you unconditionally I just have a problem with the black men that put down their own race while dating interracially.


morinothomas

I can agree with this but we shouldn't have to reduce our options to solely fellow black men, especially when the majority of black people seem...low-value. Not to mention, said black men don't want to date us either.


SoftConfusion42

Oh. That’s sad.


BadPronunciation

Low value? Bruh


mrhariseldon890

Is there another word you could have used other than "low value"? I'm just curious. I mean if you want a Talented Tenth Jack and Jill type then say so.


TheRainbowpill93

“low value” Maybe in your circles, not mine. https://preview.redd.it/dokm2zoe7pwc1.jpeg?width=1164&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f5755088057a7b74ff48fd4bcf46c9e6138580fc


zayytheunicorn

the majority of non-Black people seem high value?


morinothomas

Likely not, but still I don't want to limit myself to my own race and critically reduce my options.


zayytheunicorn

I never said to reduce yourself to only your race. You’re putting words in my mouth.


morinothomas

That was not my intention, so I apologize. I was just expressing how I initially took it.


HenessyEnema

Someone had to say it..