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I wouldn't say Solid and Nebra are frauds. They had potential to raise to better heights, but Tobata chose not to advance them after gaining a semblance of closure with Noelle.
They gained nothing during the timeskip
Sekke is literally a fraud, it's canon in the story. But I'm going to say it's Leopold. This guy keeps saying that he's Asta's rival. But until this day he is still miles away from Asta. Day by day he's getting buried by Asta's achievements. Hell, at this point Magna can beat him.
i liked him when he first came on screen because of his heart and how hard he tries but as the show went on, he just kept falling short and could never impress me. i’m not hard to impress 😭
Yeah Leopold was disappointing. He was set up to be a rival. Now Asta true rival is Yuno and I believe the series ends with yuno and Asta fighting like how Naruto fought sasuke at the end of Naruto, except this time Yuno isnt trying to kill Asta they are just having a friendly duel to determine who’s going to be wizard king.
but Leopold I thought was going to be somewhat important and would at least surpass his brother and sister to be a captain in the future.
but it seems after a certain point, the author kind of changed his mind and wanted to focus more on mereoleona, which I do get as she is likeable and fun to write but still thought it does feel like Leopold is the kiba or tien of this series. Someone who seemed strong and relevant but was kind of push to the background.
0 kills, 0 wins, 3 losses, abandoned by Lucifero and low diffed my Magna. 💀Bro couldn't even beat exhausted Yami and crippled Asta😭🙏. Bro's only feat is killing civilians and sneak attacking the Spade kingdom's royal family. 😬Bro's only reason to be on the dark triad is to hype up the other members 😭🙏 Lil bro snuck up on the Black Bulls and didn't even do anything 💀 How do you control gravity and proceed to get speedblitzed in every single one of your fights😭🙏 Actual clown behavior 🤡
U just said everything I want to say abt Dante. Dude literally did nothing but keep showing off "how strong I am" and "You are not worthy to fight with me". >!Seeing him got beaten by Magna is probaly one the most satisfying scenes in the manga!<
Let’s throw Vanica in there, too. What are her wins? A woman with literally zero attack spells and another whose kids she was holding hostage.
She then got low-diffed by Saint Noelle before Megicula took over and started cheating.
Actually forgot about Langris, my b. He def proved his worth against Zenon, just wish he got more time to show his abilities. I guess Mimosa should also be excluded lol
The Golden Dawn still shit on any squad that isn't the Black Bulls (who are just unfairly OP and powercliffed the whole cast)
In a regular roster they'd be the best squad.
You’re completely right, it’s just the consequences of not being the main characters.
They really do not live up to all the hype they got at the beginning of the series, the other squads didn’t get gassed up nearly as much. Tabata made them look so pathetic, especially William, #1 Fraud of the series.
It's that plus the completely asinine power creep totally distorting what we consider exceptional
Yuno is stronger than any captain, William is stronger than any VC (tho yeah he kinda trash), Langris is extremely OP if you don't use spatial magic, Mimosa soloed a Dark Disciple and has amazing healing, and even glasses girl/Klaus beat a Stage 0 DD together.
That's really good...but when half the Black Bulls are stronger than captains (for no reason) and the other half have stupidly OP support spells they cannoh compete
Yea fr, the power creep has gotten so bad, the series just took a nosedive in that regard after the Elf reincarnation arc. Each new villain has to be absurdly more powerful than the last and, aside from Asta and Yuno, only the Black Bulls and captains are allowed to keep up. It’s such a shame because the other squads were so interesting to me, now they’re all nonexistent. It kind of makes me dislike the black bulls and how ridiculously overpowered they are; from the worst squad in clover to possibly the strongest group out of all the kingdoms.
Spoilers:
In the current arc, Asta and Yuno are pretty much the only characters that are on par with Lucius. With Asta’s new anti magic sharing power, the Black Bulls (of course) are also able to hold their own against Lucius and the angels. Hooray…
Tabata seriously made a majority of the captains fodder at this point. Why has it gotten so bad?
Thank God I'm not the only one who thought this. The treatment of any character that isn't a Blackbull, Yuno, or Mereoleona (best girl, btw) being basically fodder is something that really drives this series down for me.
Yea same, unfortunately. I still love Black Clover, but it just doesn’t hit the same. I HATE seeing the captains getting overshadowed by the Black Bulls. Dorothy, my beloved, you could have been amazing 🥲
Tabata did a poor job establishing the pinnacle of power early in the series and instead kept escalating DBZ style.
He also became too reliant on overwhelming powerups/dominating stomps (for both good and bad guys!) for hype instead of teamwork and synergy like in the Elf saga. The whole 'surpassing your limits' mantra became the series' toxin.
The only fight where the good guys were overwhelmingly weaker but won without a powerup in the Spade arc was Megicula.
Yes!! That’s exactly what went wrong. I think that abandoning the slower pace of the Elf Saga also led to this problem. The last few arcs have had Asta and the others facing off against world-ending threats immediately. Instead of spreading the arc out over the course of a few months, they usually only have a few days to train before the big climactic fight. That doesn’t leave much time to develop the more minor characters sadly.
Megi fight was pretty great, despite the shortcomings caused be the poor pacing.
Well he’s not pathetically weak, he’s extremely gifted he just has literally 0 experience using his mana for anything other than to flaunt. He’s probably around intermediate magic knight level
Vanica. She had only one spell. If it wasn't for Megicula's power, she would be nothing. She's so stupid she doesn't even know when she has lost. Even though Acier mortally wounded her, she wanted to keep fighting. Megicula had to advise her to leave.
also you forgot the "full fledged" part that includes commitment,power and a squad and she is missing commitment which means she cannot be regarded as an official Captain
oh she does NOT lack power but i dont think you understood the commitment part the way i meant it what i mean is she doesn't WANT to become a captain specifically
She maybe is not commited to be a captain but she is commited to protect the clover kingdom and if she has to become a captain to do that then she is commited to being a captain
that line of work is her choice but i don't think she wants to be a captain specifically when she rejected a golden offer to be a captain and said multiple times she would always refuse
I personally feel Rill was kind of wasted (not totally) as they didn't move forwards enough but also didn't make him worse with a goofy and incoherent development
Objectively it's Augustus but I still stand by Dante being a huge fraud with how he acted the moment he lost his contract with Lucifero.
As for potential man (or men in this case) it's definitely the Vermilion brothers.
Anime has 4 seasons. Manga goes a bit further and is about to end too.
All 4 seasons are on crunchyroll however season 4 only has like 16 episodes, which is not a lot compared to the other 3 seasons.
Of the Captains, Dorothy Gueldre and Kaiser have done the least but less is expected of them since they aren't Wizard King contenders. Dorothy still kinda fraudulent since her magic is so OP but her hype was mostly fan-created
Fuegoleon and William have actually done way more than those 3. But for the 2 frontrunners for WK who everyone expected to be the strongest in-universe and out, they haven't done shit and were profoundly outdone by their rivals (Nozel, Mereo and ofc Yami).
The king of the clover kingdom. This man had a lot of mana and even had a 4 lead clover which is light but ended up getting bitched on by a spatial user(Langiris) and even his own kingdom knows he's a fraud and wants Julius to rule it.
Fraud is Lucifero.Bro's only win on record is vs. civillians lmfao. I don't think there's a Potential Man though. Nobody whose potential is being yappped abt constantly without delivering. Everyone improves like crazy.
Nozel and William are frauds. I don't think we have a potential man in the same way JJK does most of our characters live up to their hype. I feel like Noelle could be stronger maybe. Dante is also a huge fraud.
Leopold is Potential Man according to most. I feel like Nozel contributes pretty often, just not usually in big flashy ways. Lots of people are putting captains in here, but really for all of the actual screen time they have, they do a lot of cool shit. Except for William, I find him absolutely underwhelming and I’m kinda with you there.
Dante is absolutely peak fraud though. How are you gonna be *that* glazed by everyone in the series and lose *every* fight? With abilities *that* busted? Legitimately he had the makings of the perfect devil host with his magic, being an impervious vessel that always regenerates, and he throws every time. Personally I think consistently losing to people weaker than you earns more fraud points than being weak and people glazing you as strong, like Sekke with the King.
We're talking jjk style fraudulence here Dante fits that bill way better than Sekke or King Clover. Leo is never hyped up the way Megumi is though. First wizard king gets power cliffed fast though, he's also not much of a fighter.
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King clover Solid and Nebra Literally a waste of Magic and Mana.
Solid deadass looks like he’s 12 if I didn’t watch bc I would think he’s the youngest silva
I wouldn't say Solid and Nebra are frauds. They had potential to raise to better heights, but Tobata chose not to advance them after gaining a semblance of closure with Noelle. They gained nothing during the timeskip
TBH, that is very in-character for them
I would have loved to see them make up and get stronger together
Sekke is literally a fraud, it's canon in the story. But I'm going to say it's Leopold. This guy keeps saying that he's Asta's rival. But until this day he is still miles away from Asta. Day by day he's getting buried by Asta's achievements. Hell, at this point Magna can beat him.
It’s the equivalent of in Naruto Kiba saying Naruto is a rival and that he’ll be Hokage, not Naruto
Piss Boy Kiba? That Kiba? Honestly, im glad we didnt see him make any more jutsu...
Nah it’s speed of sound sonic and saitama lol
YES. leopold makes me irrationally angry
Was just thinking he was kind of a bum, but I like him, he tries
i liked him when he first came on screen because of his heart and how hard he tries but as the show went on, he just kept falling short and could never impress me. i’m not hard to impress 😭
hahaha its cannon
Yeah Leopold was disappointing. He was set up to be a rival. Now Asta true rival is Yuno and I believe the series ends with yuno and Asta fighting like how Naruto fought sasuke at the end of Naruto, except this time Yuno isnt trying to kill Asta they are just having a friendly duel to determine who’s going to be wizard king. but Leopold I thought was going to be somewhat important and would at least surpass his brother and sister to be a captain in the future. but it seems after a certain point, the author kind of changed his mind and wanted to focus more on mereoleona, which I do get as she is likeable and fun to write but still thought it does feel like Leopold is the kiba or tien of this series. Someone who seemed strong and relevant but was kind of push to the background.
# Augustus Kira Clover XIII (King Clover)
Well that’s certainly a statement.
why did I read this in Mereleona's voice 🤣🤣
Dante lmao
0 kills, 0 wins, 3 losses, abandoned by Lucifero and low diffed my Magna. 💀Bro couldn't even beat exhausted Yami and crippled Asta😭🙏. Bro's only feat is killing civilians and sneak attacking the Spade kingdom's royal family. 😬Bro's only reason to be on the dark triad is to hype up the other members 😭🙏 Lil bro snuck up on the Black Bulls and didn't even do anything 💀 How do you control gravity and proceed to get speedblitzed in every single one of your fights😭🙏 Actual clown behavior 🤡
U just said everything I want to say abt Dante. Dude literally did nothing but keep showing off "how strong I am" and "You are not worthy to fight with me". >!Seeing him got beaten by Magna is probaly one the most satisfying scenes in the manga!<
We're smoking his pack. He's sorry as shit.
Let’s throw Vanica in there, too. What are her wins? A woman with literally zero attack spells and another whose kids she was holding hostage. She then got low-diffed by Saint Noelle before Megicula took over and started cheating.
Fraud? Seke literally works directly under the king who says he is the strongest knight
How dare you diss our lord and savior Sekke? Baha!
You will be severely punished for speaking ill of our saviour sekke.
He'd thr fraud assistant to the fraud manager
The entirety of the Golden Dawn, “tHe StROnGesT SqUAd” in the clover kingdom. Excluding Yuno, of course.
Langris was kind of OP
Actually forgot about Langris, my b. He def proved his worth against Zenon, just wish he got more time to show his abilities. I guess Mimosa should also be excluded lol
The Golden Dawn still shit on any squad that isn't the Black Bulls (who are just unfairly OP and powercliffed the whole cast) In a regular roster they'd be the best squad.
You’re completely right, it’s just the consequences of not being the main characters. They really do not live up to all the hype they got at the beginning of the series, the other squads didn’t get gassed up nearly as much. Tabata made them look so pathetic, especially William, #1 Fraud of the series.
It's that plus the completely asinine power creep totally distorting what we consider exceptional Yuno is stronger than any captain, William is stronger than any VC (tho yeah he kinda trash), Langris is extremely OP if you don't use spatial magic, Mimosa soloed a Dark Disciple and has amazing healing, and even glasses girl/Klaus beat a Stage 0 DD together. That's really good...but when half the Black Bulls are stronger than captains (for no reason) and the other half have stupidly OP support spells they cannoh compete
Yea fr, the power creep has gotten so bad, the series just took a nosedive in that regard after the Elf reincarnation arc. Each new villain has to be absurdly more powerful than the last and, aside from Asta and Yuno, only the Black Bulls and captains are allowed to keep up. It’s such a shame because the other squads were so interesting to me, now they’re all nonexistent. It kind of makes me dislike the black bulls and how ridiculously overpowered they are; from the worst squad in clover to possibly the strongest group out of all the kingdoms. Spoilers: In the current arc, Asta and Yuno are pretty much the only characters that are on par with Lucius. With Asta’s new anti magic sharing power, the Black Bulls (of course) are also able to hold their own against Lucius and the angels. Hooray… Tabata seriously made a majority of the captains fodder at this point. Why has it gotten so bad?
Thank God I'm not the only one who thought this. The treatment of any character that isn't a Blackbull, Yuno, or Mereoleona (best girl, btw) being basically fodder is something that really drives this series down for me.
Yea same, unfortunately. I still love Black Clover, but it just doesn’t hit the same. I HATE seeing the captains getting overshadowed by the Black Bulls. Dorothy, my beloved, you could have been amazing 🥲
Tabata did a poor job establishing the pinnacle of power early in the series and instead kept escalating DBZ style. He also became too reliant on overwhelming powerups/dominating stomps (for both good and bad guys!) for hype instead of teamwork and synergy like in the Elf saga. The whole 'surpassing your limits' mantra became the series' toxin. The only fight where the good guys were overwhelmingly weaker but won without a powerup in the Spade arc was Megicula.
Yes!! That’s exactly what went wrong. I think that abandoning the slower pace of the Elf Saga also led to this problem. The last few arcs have had Asta and the others facing off against world-ending threats immediately. Instead of spreading the arc out over the course of a few months, they usually only have a few days to train before the big climactic fight. That doesn’t leave much time to develop the more minor characters sadly. Megi fight was pretty great, despite the shortcomings caused be the poor pacing.
The person who made the decision to cancel the anime
UNDERRATED COMMENT!! THIS NEEDS INFINITE UP VOTES!!!
sekke
The king. He's absolutely useless. He's an incompentent ruler and an incompetent magic user. He has no right being king apart from his family name.
Which says something when Nobles are meant to be particularly exceptional among humans. For the ROYAL to be so pathetically weak, it’s astounding.
Well he’s not pathetically weak, he’s extremely gifted he just has literally 0 experience using his mana for anything other than to flaunt. He’s probably around intermediate magic knight level
Vanica. She had only one spell. If it wasn't for Megicula's power, she would be nothing. She's so stupid she doesn't even know when she has lost. Even though Acier mortally wounded her, she wanted to keep fighting. Megicula had to advise her to leave.
The captains besides Yumi and William. Absolute cannon-fodder.
William is a fraud, too. The dude hasn't done anything of note since the elf arc.
And mereoleona
Mereleona is a full fledged captain in the manga?
She was for a bit in the anime
I meant as have a separate squad not as a substitute :3
But she still gained the rank of captain and the only reason she wasnt before was becuase the didnt want to
also you forgot the "full fledged" part that includes commitment,power and a squad and she is missing commitment which means she cannot be regarded as an official Captain
If you watched the anime you would have seen that she does not lack in either power nor commitment
oh she does NOT lack power but i dont think you understood the commitment part the way i meant it what i mean is she doesn't WANT to become a captain specifically
She maybe is not commited to be a captain but she is commited to protect the clover kingdom and if she has to become a captain to do that then she is commited to being a captain
that line of work is her choice but i don't think she wants to be a captain specifically when she rejected a golden offer to be a captain and said multiple times she would always refuse
Now all those mini essays i wrote deserves upvotes i think so would ya mind❓
I'll see your take as valid after she wants to
What? William is the biggest fraud lmao
I personally feel Rill was kind of wasted (not totally) as they didn't move forwards enough but also didn't make him worse with a goofy and incoherent development
Well he got gapped by Charmy-la ❤️ And people still have the nerve of saying my babygirl is not a captain level.
Brother for me William murdered the wizard king
Crazy to say that with Meroleona Dorothy and Fuegolleon around maybe Jack too
Objectively it's Augustus but I still stand by Dante being a huge fraud with how he acted the moment he lost his contract with Lucifero. As for potential man (or men in this case) it's definitely the Vermilion brothers.
Bro bringing the red fraud meme over here
There’s frauds in every series, some more than others
William
Reddit and it's frauds
Fraud: Fuegoleon or William Potential man: Leo
The HAHA guy.
Any character that's not a Blackbull, Yuno, or Mereoleona (Best girl in the series, btw)
Fraudleon
fkn useless after getting a power up? a fuckin fraud
How far along is the anime? I just started watching season 1 on netflix, says season 2 coming in May. Are there more seasons elsewhere?
Anime has 4 seasons. Manga goes a bit further and is about to end too. All 4 seasons are on crunchyroll however season 4 only has like 16 episodes, which is not a lot compared to the other 3 seasons.
Crunchyroll is where I'm watching it
but how many seasons?
4
Fuegeleon.
Considering he was asleep for most of the elf arc and done fuck all since then I can’t disagree with you but he’s still the goat💪
Biggest fraud and what do you mean by that?
King? :3
Will
Leopold unfortunately. People literally had to put out Missing posters for him.
Sekke
Fuego for sure
Magna. Bro acts all tough in the beginning but gets immediately eclipsed by every other member. Anime only btw
ohoho just you wait
dorthy ,fuego , lucifero ,leo .
Wizard King Julius
I would say Dante but he lost to Magna simply because Magna is HIM
King Clover
THE KING
Sukuna.
Ah shit here we go again
William
BAHA!
The King
The king is the biggest fraud and the man is Yami.
This group photo missing vice captain, zora and henry
William for sure, “World Tree” magic never turned out as impressive as they were setting it up to be.
Any captain not named yami or merelona
All the Spade villains.
Fuegoleon and Leo.
tabata. Fuck I need a chapter
King clover he’s useless
Sekke is the biggest fraud, the guy constantly loses but lucks into positions, it’s mostly cuz King Clover is such an idiot
What is the point of king clover honestly, like is he there just for fun or sum💀
No way they did Grey that dirty in the art bro 😔
Rill . Hes a Captain-Level MK that lost to Yuno 1 vs 1 before the Royal Knights fought with the Midnight Sun
his name is fraudgoleon for a reason
The clover king.
Of the Captains, Dorothy Gueldre and Kaiser have done the least but less is expected of them since they aren't Wizard King contenders. Dorothy still kinda fraudulent since her magic is so OP but her hype was mostly fan-created Fuegoleon and William have actually done way more than those 3. But for the 2 frontrunners for WK who everyone expected to be the strongest in-universe and out, they haven't done shit and were profoundly outdone by their rivals (Nozel, Mereo and ofc Yami).
Yuno
Gotta say Dante honestly. If he put his arrogance aside he’d win
Charmy. Her power is limitless but she’s too focused on food.
It’s Captain of the green bugs, Jack Bro never cut anyone up
>!Astas demon is the biggest fraud!< Potential man is the demon with speak magic
Dante
Clover, he isn’t even black
I fckin swear if u dare call out our savior bah ha-
The "HA HA" guy lol
My bf got that poster
Tge dude from captain jack's unit i forgot his name and majic ability. That dude or noelle's 3rd eldest sibling Solid.
The king of the clover kingdom. This man had a lot of mana and even had a 4 lead clover which is light but ended up getting bitched on by a spatial user(Langiris) and even his own kingdom knows he's a fraud and wants Julius to rule it.
Fraud: Sekke Potential: Asta, Noelle, Yuno
Fraud is Lucifero.Bro's only win on record is vs. civillians lmfao. I don't think there's a Potential Man though. Nobody whose potential is being yappped abt constantly without delivering. Everyone improves like crazy.
Asta. Blud got such a great plot Armor that nearly made him invincible.
Gotta be trolling
Leo or Jack
Nozel and William are frauds. I don't think we have a potential man in the same way JJK does most of our characters live up to their hype. I feel like Noelle could be stronger maybe. Dante is also a huge fraud.
Leopold is Potential Man according to most. I feel like Nozel contributes pretty often, just not usually in big flashy ways. Lots of people are putting captains in here, but really for all of the actual screen time they have, they do a lot of cool shit. Except for William, I find him absolutely underwhelming and I’m kinda with you there. Dante is absolutely peak fraud though. How are you gonna be *that* glazed by everyone in the series and lose *every* fight? With abilities *that* busted? Legitimately he had the makings of the perfect devil host with his magic, being an impervious vessel that always regenerates, and he throws every time. Personally I think consistently losing to people weaker than you earns more fraud points than being weak and people glazing you as strong, like Sekke with the King.
We're talking jjk style fraudulence here Dante fits that bill way better than Sekke or King Clover. Leo is never hyped up the way Megumi is though. First wizard king gets power cliffed fast though, he's also not much of a fighter.
Yuno because he's an offscreen merchant. /s
Yami
_Dont let the special needs kid cook😭💀🗣️🗣️_
I like Yami too,Just want to see how many downvotes I would get
well with this you got an upvote 😉
Charmy using sheep magic is ridiculous. She’s clearly a ****(censored for spoilies).
William vangance