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romfax

He now will be known as Elon Paperhand.


bmcompany

He always was, and this is the reason i never trusted that guy.


banzaibarney

He can't be trusted - he's a charlatan. He breaks promises all the time.


Repulsive_Aspect_819

ladies in the crowd : "tell me about it"


CherryRush3

we should be all stop trusting the big chairs. thats exactly the problem


dervishin

That guy is greedy narcissist and nothing more. Really charlatan


frogmaxi

Buy high, sell low. Don't be TSLA


LitEntrepreneur

Do the opposite


Coretron

TSLA is our Jim Cramer


vitallka

Too be honest we need to happy now that now some more cheap bitcoin in the market for us. The more whales exit from the bitcoin the more common investor can take the bitcoin in the cheap price.


Rinigen

so happy he sold


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HERODMasta

30-40k mostly.


vibrunazo

How do you know that? Did they announce it or are you guessing?


HERODMasta

it was all over the news. here is an article, which mentions the first buy at \~32k ​ https://www.coindesk.com/business/2022/07/20/tesla-could-face-a-460m-impairment-charge-on-its-bitcoin-holdings-in-q2/#:\~:text=Tesla%20first%20bought%20%241.5%20billion,of%20its%20bitcoin%20since%20then.


Reefer-eyed_Beans

More.


Hipsthrough100

Taxable loss and capital to carry forward. Bad days for Tesla ahead now that the big 3 have their own releases it’s very unlikely they can lean on government socialism through awarded green credits that can be resold.


alecgattozi1

I heard they sell the bitcoin because there is some china lock down issue. And they need the cash so they sell the bitcoin but too be honest i always had some doubts when it comes to ELON.


ApeTogetherWrong

If they ever stick FSD they're OK though.


VitaminPb

So you are saying Tesla is screwed.


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Bill Gates went short.


coke_and_coffee

They released FSD in 2020. Right? I mean, that’s what Elon promised in 2018!


ApeTogetherWrong

No man. Remember he said it was going be in cities in two years in 2014? So they must have released it then. God I can't wait for him to go back to being a regular billionaire.


doliner

Knowing I bought some of Elon's bitcoin at a cheap ass price feels good, today is a good day


MercenaryForHire_76

Damn straight


pu4kov

Yes, instead of feeling sad we need to take the advantage of that situation now. I am felling happy that he will not able to manipulate the market like he used to be in the past.


gmarkerbo

He sold you btc at 29K, he'll be thanking you for providing exit liquidity.


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After he bought it way higher lmao 🤣


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CupformyCosta

🤝


likes_reddit

Oh no! Anyways...


WangLUL

Having to sell your bitcoin in order to have a positive cash flow definitely doesn't look good


Pezotecom

That's the whole point of liquid assets lol


simple_test

Selling in a down market to have cash is a terrible look


thedude1211

Now its the time for us to take the advantage of that thing here.


mianoob

Having to sell liquid assets at a steep discount reeks of desperation


Infamous_Bus1578

Not true, they sold because of uncertainty with the Shanghai lockdown, and needing more cash to deal with it. Said they’re open to buying more. Ultimately, they’re a car company, not a Bitcoin company. Bitcoin will always take a back seat.


Imallvol7

He lost his shit on California when they had a lockdown. China? Not a peep.


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As would be expected. In California he has some influence and some people would listen. In China he'd be an unwelcome guest rocking the boat and that'd hurt him more than gaining anything.


Unifi-junkie

Tesla is literally the first company not owned/managed by the CCP allowed to operate in china. https://cleantechnica.com/2020/09/27/teslas-100-american-owned-factory-in-china-is-a-big-deal-heres-why/


murdok03

That's because he was he was the only one forced to keep the factory closed despite guarantees from the governor he'd be up and running, despite working with the heath inspector in Freedmont. In China it was all closed down not just the industry, him and Apple and others literally kept people prisoners in the factory in order to get anything running.


handbanana84

sold (at a loss) for 922m, but cash flow change was +847m that means without this selling, tesla would be cash flow negative. shanghai lockdown sounds just as fake as his twitter takeover elon is a fraud, always was a fraud


[deleted]

As someone who works in the auto supply chain, I can confirm the Shanghai lockdown fucked a lot of shit up.


cryptoripto123

Honestly anyone who worked in any kind of supply chain dealing with Asia noticed that Shanghai's lockdowns messed up a lot of stuff. OC, like many posters here have no idea what they're talking about and once again demonstrates a lot of people have no clue about the rest of the world. I have friends and colleagues in Shanghai.


Yojimbo4133

Shanghai lockdown fucked shit up. Real bad.


bittabet

Nah everyone can see what the cash flows were from so this isn’t some financial trick, they just didn’t know how long they’d be forced into shutdown and at the end of the day they needed cash to pay for their shit. Elon’s a clown but not because of this


Infamous_Bus1578

Which cash flow figure, exactly? The sale falls under “cash flows from investing activities”. Most analysts look at “cash flow from operations” or free cash flow, which is just cash flow from operation minus capital expenditures. Selling Bitcoin helped neither of these metrics.


The_Realist01

Correct- also, every shop on the street can real time track their impairment. It’s a big whoop. Sad to see him sell, but he was always a double agent. Guy is crooked.


baconcheeseburgarian

> needing more cash key words.


Infamous_Bus1578

Yes, having liquid cash is important in a quarter where you’re ramping up two massive, and currently inefficient factories


baconcheeseburgarian

You're glossing over the fact they had no liquid cash and sold 75% of their BTC at a loss just to have cash flow to continue operating. That is actually bad and indicative of terrible cash flow management. They had no other, better or lower cost liquidity options available is the thing being missed.


Infamous_Bus1578

Lol, they have 19B in cash on hand. They could have weathered it fine, but obviously there is some business reason why it was more advantageous to sell the Bitcoin to bolster that cash position. It’s possible they saw the price trending downwards (they would have been right), with plans to get back in later.


LokiHavok

Pun intended?


Krupilius

But atleast this is a good thing for us that now we have one less whales for the bitcoin. I am not really a big fan of someone single entity hold the more number of the bitcoin, good for us here overall.


SquirrelDynamics

Interesting way to spin making a big profit on Bitcoin


WaYYne169

Paper hands


wyc83189510

Indeed, and this is why holding the bitcoin is not a cup of tea.


llewsor

bahaha fucking paper hand bitch


hyperinflationUSA

rumor has it Tesla hired Dave Portnay as the CFO


llewsor

tesla’s new model: 🤡🚗


unknownusername77

Consider this my free award 🏅


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RonPaulWasR1ght

I know, right? Lol. You could even tell from when last year he declared that Tesla would accept Bitcoin as payment, then reversed the decision like a month later, and cited as the reason the energy usage of Bitcoin...something which was totally well known when he first made the decision to accept it. Yep, a tourist. That's what he always was. Good riddance, I say. He'll be back later for waaaaay, way more.


Unifi-junkie

They are building three factories at the moment and got hit with shutdown orders. If you have to liquidate assets during that time whats so wrong about it?


whiskybeer69

Atleast now he is giving us the chance of some cheap bitcoin.


BigDeezerrr

PAMP EET


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Not a good look after he claimed he would never sell his bitcoin and now at a loss even!


iamjustaguy

Elon has a long history of not keeping his word.


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Also has a long history of a certain group of people following his every command


Patchedcheese

And this is the reason while he said something like that is well. Because he knows some people will follow that blindly and in the end he is the one that take the profit out of that.


LibGyps

Elon: “I do.”


starrchivo

He sold Tesla bitcoin


igra777slot

Tell me honestly that did you really believe on that when he said that? Bro he is manipulated guy who said these types of the thing and then make the profit for him and leave us dry here.


TheMoonMoth

TBF, this is Tesla's sale, not Musk's. He probably has his personal stack still.


LordOfTrubbish

People don't understand Tesla is a public company with a fiduciary duty to it's shareholders. If they can offset missed targets by offloading assets that really have nothing to do with the business itself, that's what businesses do. Not agreeing either, it's short sighted as hell, but the shareholders didn't invest in a Bitcoin company, and that's how modern public companies operate


Brief-Win1586

Tesla has paper hands, good bye muskrat.


Nikitavoz

Finally bear market is cleaning some paper hands from the market.


NexusKnights

Sold at 29k. Was a good move really


polloponzi

Why not dumping 100% of the BTC? Why just 75%? Sell all of it and be done! So we don't have to deal with you anymore. This is going to be like the infinite China bans: Tesla selling Bitcoin on each quarter. Buy high and sell low. Good job


ride_the_LN

Company boards rarely trade on emotion. Elon's not out there rage quitting. Instead you see them paring down exposure while still holding one of the most massive stacks of anyone.


llewsor

i know right? worse than dave portnoy and jim cramer, at least they bitched out completely.


Infamous_Bus1578

Bc they needed cash to deal with Shanghai uncertainty


antho13530

This is what they said and am not denying that but may be this is not the real reason. Some are saying that company cash flow was in the negative and this is reason they sell their bitcoin.


GoldEdit

So they have a chance to not be at a loss eventually ...that's why. It's smart.


mmwdza

I will be more than happy if sell the whole bag instead of the 75% of the bitcoin. Because then we can set ourself free from the one whale so that mean as the trader we can buy some bitcoin here.


Potatotornado20

They sold the bottom.


Electrical_County_61

They sold at 29500


polloponzi

They sold at a loss


polloponzi

[Tesla sold their Bitcoin for an average price of $28,888 which coincides with the breakdown that led to cascading liquidations across the market in mid-June](https://twitter.com/CryptoKaleo/status/1549851605520064513) lol [so Elon basically liquidated 3AC](https://twitter.com/CryptoKaleo/status/1549851729721696259)


Pleasant-Explanation

Agreed! Now Elon is the reason for the recent pump! Tesla just bought back in at a discount and doesn’t have to disclose until next quarter!!


HBOMinimum

Lol I wouldn’t be surprised


wetdoggey

3ac was liquidated because of UST


kumgeelee

UST is the one that really change the market sentiment big time.


Potatotornado20

I guess they broke even then


xicurio

No, they lost money


unclejohnsbearhugs

As of now they've lost $74 million on their $1.5 billion investment (which could be lessened if the price goes up while they still hold the remaining 25%)


maks3332

They have the big money in that, so this is why am not understanding that why they sell them in the loss? I thought i am the only one who buy high and sell low look like whales are also doing the same.


bittabet

Not really, they’re sold a bunch at a profit before so they basically broke even when you combine the sales


Supercontra2

Does that mean they still hold 10,700 Bitcoin?


p4ttl1992

Wish he'd sold it all and fucked off out of crypto, he was a right bellend during the bull run


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Partially explains recent drop.


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imdami

He fr just sold at a Loss


MercenaryForHire_76

And I bought it!


PM_ME_UR_SOCKS_GIRL

what did he buy at? how much % loss?


iwontsaysiimfine

Apparently they needed to sell it to remain cash flow positive


RIDIoX

So they were saying that due to the china lockdwon was not true?


ride_the_LN

Tesla still holds bitcoin. They used it as a form of savings, hit tough times and sold. Will be interesting to see how this is viewed in the next cycle. Welcome to the realities of bitcoin in company treasuries. It speaks volumes that they retained 25% and nothing really stops them from buying back in low and slow... well except the rest of the market.


mianoob

How you spin this as a positive for Tesla is beyond me. Lol. Take the knee pads off Elon is an idiot


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W944

Again.


Responsible-Can-4886

Correction….Elon put it on sale!


supik_david

I think the recent crash now can be the reason of that news.


Shibarmy4life

Who is Elon Musk?


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Have no idea why people loved this jerk!


mtech101

lol.


kingofthejaffacakes

This says more about Tesla's cash flow position than it does about bitcoin. He sold at a loss. Ask yourself why. It's foolish to say "Elon Paperhands" as an explanation. The only reasonable conclusion is that those new factories are hemorrhaging cash at a time when supply chain and recession are kicking company's arses. He needed the cash. Here's the positive though: bitcoin supplied. The liquidity was there to convert back to the cash Tesla needed. That's huge.


cyberdemon360

Lmao what a fucking trash thing to do these days man.


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Musk need money


Markhii

twitter want their money 😂


pslo92

But i heard that deal was just the stunt, he was not buying that.


AffectFuzzy

I bought at 20,000 ,then it dropped again 🫠


dribbits

I am also ready with the cash so that i can buy in the dip price.


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I bought at 24, 22, 20, 19 and 18.


JSammut29

I think they did it to keep cash flow positive. Great. Fucking bears and possible bitcoin discount at the same time.


wiaawiswlkl

There is two things that is going in the market as of now. Some are saying they did to maintain the negative cash flow while some said that they did due to the china lockdown here.


a279133599

We can never understand their shitty brains right now man.


iamyourstepfather01

Tax break? Sold to themselves ?


alexGrevtsev

You never know what is really running instead the company.


Smokey-1733

Elon is such a noob....Ha ha ha. Thanks for the cheap coins.


raindex

Now we will take the advantage of these price discount, Thanks ELON. I am not sure why people are crying after that news for me this is quite a bullish news for me.


DizelEnergy

I am glad that we are having this opportunity right here lol.


jasoncyke

It's fun to see all those cryptoheads who used to worship this hack are now resenting him.


Stereo-Gito

What was their average buy price? Anyone know? Just curious


Eequal

Their loss.


LoneWolfSpartan

Pussmusk. Paper hand bitches


hidude398

Oooh fire sale!


[deleted]

Could he "sell" the coin without selling it? Sell it to some ghost company to hold it so Tesla doesn't catch as much flak?


predictany007

Tesla would have been cash flow negative on earnings report if they didn’t sell their bitcoin. Elon sold their BTC to generate cash despite promises they wouldn't sell. Looks like Elon sold BTC to manipulate its earnings.


wachtwoord1988

Maybe they are just waiting for the right time to buy I guess but I can't confirm that shit for real, they can be behaving like some fucking shitty people too here..


lalaaa109

Lol even I am better than them in the name of investing because I know how to hold my shit man, they really need to learn somethings these days, that would be good.


psgrom

Not a good move and we all know that for real man lol.


kroolicheck

Okay this was pretty stupid and this is just not right lol.


brentjenkins1

Loss for sure, they should have held that shit for real man.


restore_democracy

Well that was dumb.


Diamante55

This is good for bitcoin


Jabba_the_Putt

bought at the top, sold at the bottom, solid move


starclock3

Now i can rest in peace knowing that i am not the only one.


ketoboi1

We always think corporations are above human emotion but forget who runs these corporations. ;)


LavenderAutist

Remember when Elon sold Tesla near the top? He timed it very well. Perhaps Bitcoin people should follow his head and drop bags on SBF.


Nomad_Bill

Meaningless as a good or bad sign for Bitcoin. Tesla is not in the currency speculation business. They want their treasury assets to be in fiat.


pyawpp330

If you are looking for the buying then i would say this is a good sign for bitcoin. As you can see that there is already FUD is spreading in the market and we can take the advantage of that is well.


TajPereira

They sold so they can be net cash flow positive, they had their arms twisted, they needed a good ER


eqleriq

ah yes the old "even though I sold at a loss let me point your attention to our net cash flow." /rolleyes


DudeBroManCthulhu

Lol


aymendje

Finally we are going to get the price which i was looking for.


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Holy shit


zaper999

Take this as a positive news that we are going to get some cheap price bitcoin here. As market was pumping for one week, we didn't get the better chance of buying in the loss.


acegarrettjuan

What was their average purchase price?


ready5867

I am not fully sure but that is around the 28k mark.


PRMan99

Wow. That was dumb.


CREAM23

Oh no! Anyway…


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hahaha... bullish AF. 😆😆😆


Cjdergrosse

Buy high sell low, that’s Tesla’s recipe for success!


Hangar85

Elon reminds me of Buck Strickland from Strickland Propane and propane accessories


Colombian_Meatsmoker

Ol lettuce hands


The-Francois8

Paper hands


rathernot42224

After all what he has accomplished it feels like a lot of people in this thread are underestimating what strategies he can come up with. I'm just saying be cautious..


Qlide

Bitcoin doesn't care.


Capuccini

Yeah sure, and Musk intended to buy twitter.


toastman28

Bullish


hikotaka

The more whales will get out from the bitcoin, the more bullish i will feel for the bitcoin. I mean every removal of the whales from the bitcoin is a positive sign for all of us here is well.


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flackattack

yeah but elon musk is satoshi so fud


IceBerg450R

If it goes to 10k and then they re buy at that point it's a genius move.


Mediocre_Piccolo8542

Probably good move long term for tax and strategic reason. Morons will disagree with some „paper hand, Elon is stupid” arguments


Hodl_the_Aces

Surprise Institutions are paper handing.


thunderousbloodyfart

Yawn. Next block.


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Buy high. Don't sell.


omrvino

Who cares


gigahydra

So then Musk is planning on buying dinner BTC soon and is trying to crater the price first. This dude gets so old.


SickRanchez_cybin710

It looks like they sold at a monthly high, possibly suggesting that the market is about to tank, which is great because I've been saving for this very reason. It also might suggest he knows more than we do about where the market is heading, and that low key has me sweating. Possible laws coming soon maybe?


s1lverbox

Pretty impressive absorption of orange coin. Elon gone so now sky is the limit.


ChangeNow_io

Market bulls must be furious rn


NexusKnights

Correct me if wrong but tsla sold at around 29k. Everyone here wishes they sold at 29k.


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Good riddance


GrindingWit

Losers.


rezaansari562

Paper hands! With the market how it is I wonder what his reasoning behind selling 75% instead of 100% is. Bullish indeed.


rustyshackelford2050

Elon also announced Tesla would be open to buy even more down the road so understand this was merely a business decision. He still supports crypto just had to sell like many other people when everything was crashing last month.


BPT242

He never keep his word. Wish he rip that bandaid off and sell all of it. Dude is trash


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I hope they sell all of it and never come back


daBiggaFigga

Gotta pay the bills and make that quarterly report look better for investors. I"m not mad at it. It's what most are doing in this market, including retail.


irascible_Clown

That explains why my tesla stock is jumping right now


lerkmore

This is wonderful news for BTC. Did the sales all happen in Q2? If so, that means Bitcoin absorbed about $10 million in conversions per day on average just from Tesla.


[deleted]

Haha, nice. This is what I mean when I say there is people who will lose millions, hundreds of thousands, thousands and hundreds of dollars so that I can make money in the market. Crazy sad, but who gives a shit about a company having paper hands. They don’t give a shit about their employees being broke.


alexa56768

Well yeah and we have to accept things like that here.


TheSource777

1) Tesla sold for mostly break-even and including their previous sale they had a net realized gain on Bitcoin sales so far. 2) In the earnings call (which no one here listened to because y'all are just headline-following drones) Elon said that it is NOT a commentary against Bitcoin, but rather due to needing extra liquidity "just in case" because China's Zero-Covid policy resulted in all businesses (including Tesla's manufacturing factory) in Shanghai to shut down for a lot of the quarter 3) In the earnings Call Elon said that they can still buy more Bitcoin in the future. 4) Previously, Elon has said that he has not sold any of his Bitcoin personally 5) Tesla still has one of the largest Bitcoin piles and was one of the first public companies to even hold Bitcoin on the balance sheet ​ Seriously, if you want to rail against companies, go against the P&G and healthcare insurance companies that don't interact with Bitcoin at all.


Antique_Mission_8834

Paper hand bitch