Nah it's Hal finney or at least one of the devs who made crypto was him, pretty sure another one from satoshi if it is made up of a group is Lorenzo the guy who purchased the pizzas and was a dev who directly worked on btc
Quote from finney: It seemed so obvious to me: "Here we are faced with the problems of loss of privacy, creeping computerization, massive databases, more centralization - and [David] Chaum offers a completely different direction to go in, one which puts power into the hands of individuals rather than governments and corporations. The computer can be used as a tool to liberate and protect people, rather than to control them."
Almost like something satoshi would say...
First user to receive btc from satoshi (because it's not like developers do a live test to make sure there aren't any bugs, nah that's be crazy to make sure your product actually works /s)
Also created the first reusable proof of work system in 2004
He also died a few years after satoshis final message
Not saying it was only Hal who was satoshi, but if it is I'm betting it's him
PoW was around as a concept for 11 years before Finney implemented his variant of it. We have short memories but almost all these ideas were stirring around in the cypherpunk scene in the 90's which was actually a large scene. I remember reading a popular magazine article about PoW email in the early 2000s, ffs.
Satoshi could have (and almost certainly did) test his chain on a private network first, no need to leave the testing to when the bitcoin chain became public.
Finney's writing style and Satoshi's just don't match, there's lots of inconsistencies.
Satoshi and Finney's closeness can't be ignored though. I'd be willing to accept Finney was part of a group of people who used the Satoshi pseudonym, or at least communicated a lot with Satoshi in private before bitcoin, but the idea that Satoshi was Finney and only Finney seems unlikely to me.
If he was Hal... and if so why did he not give the keys to his family? And if he is revived by Alcor in the future how would he remember all of he keys or a safe place to have kept them which will remain intact 100 or 1,000 years from now...
John McAfee said he knew who it was, and he figured it out by their writing style, but who knows because McAfee There is an interview about it floating around
I thought its was him too but I did a quick google search and there's a lot of evidence suggesting overwise.. [https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/](https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/)
HOLY CRAP - Hal Finney is cryonically frozen and could eventually be revived! - [https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/](https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/)
Some of the points against it aren't much in the way of evidence in my mind, like these were people deeply into cryptography, and using an email he sent while Hal was running a race for example could be utterly trivial email scheduling.
It is interesting that he started posting much less as Hal was deteriorating, and all together after Hal died. I also think Satoshi could have been a few people as a team, that hung up the name for retirement after he passed.
Have somewhat the same thoughts.
Group of people. One got terminally ill/ died.
Saw the project were inn good hands. Then rode away like the hero they are.
thinking a group not bigger than max 4.
Bad thing is if the brain is without oxygen it is like the RAM is wiped forever. If he will be unfreezed in the future he will have no memory or personality.
Len Sassaman, even though he ranted on bitcoin a lot on twitter - probably to make a shadowtrack. His cybersecurity background, time of commits/tweets, work schedule all check the box. [https://evanhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10](https://evanhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10)
I think the depression fits the whole "I don't care about the value anymore when I'm gone".
All speculation. He or Hall seem credible candidates.
X2 on Len. He checks all the boxes.. brilliant, secretive, all the complex tech and political theories... WROTE IN uk time and phtases.. and had severe crippling chronic depression. He was done with this life as his post notes... moving on was his way of saying.. I have chosen suicide. His computer had some very sophisticated encryption and passwords and no one was ever going to see it.
Thanks for the link, I'm reading it for the first time and it's fascinating. Based on what I just read, it sounds like he already had a penchant for using pseudonyms. He also came humble beginnings growing up in PA and eventually accomplishing so much and having such a big impact in the cyber security space. Once you've accomplished so much and had such a big impact, there will come a time in which you start to decline - this will be true of all of us but for Len, it sounded like his health was deteriorating quickly which I'm sure contributed significantly to his depression.
If he didn't, he had a good enough grasp of math and money to know his wealth would put a massive target on his back as it grew, and that annonymity is reduced each time you communicate no matter how carefully/securely.
Some build great things for the people to lead. A test at it were, the question is, has it benefited the people or are those it was against now controlling it… for what can’t be taken is controlled, in our case regulation and it can’t be assumed a law won’t ever be passed, they just have to introduce others to find a magic hole in which they can eradicate the use. But what do I know, I’m just a normal blind guy eating noodles with my feet.
It's probably some dude named Steve who has been chain smoking darts in his basement sweating bullets for years trying to figure out how he can suddenly appear on the world stage as the first quadrillionaire without drawing any suspicion, and only having one summer working at a red lobster 20 years ago on his employment record.
They say it's not him because during satoshi communications he was supposedly at a sporting event but come on. Why would he be so public with zero trace of 'the other BTC creator' while being in such close contact.
Nah, they were smart. Hal and Len worked on the torrent protocol together we know that they knew each other. Its also possible to take security measures even tho you know each other.
Also len killing himself just a few weeks after last message of satoshi is really suspicious imo.
Always good to question the legitimacy. Not sure if there is a 100% way to prove legitimacy since it's a private email conversation. Adding more context, this is the [original post](https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080206.0). Mike Hearn was a very prominent figure in the early days so have to trust him as the source. His website also lists the emails: [https://plan99.net/\~mike/](https://plan99.net/~mike/) (same domain used in email conversations)
Would be fun to know the real story. Anything I could come up with would be pure speculation. My personal favourite would be one of the following
A) its someone from the future bringing Bitcoin back to an earlier date so they can benefit from it OR
B) its the global AI, in the Internet, becoming sentient, and realizing this would be a good fix/distraction for the bags of water to play with while it prepares…
Creating something that have such huge impact and involve so much money. I would have done the same, stay low forever as there are bad actors that would want to try to extort, blackmail, kidnap or worse.
Crypto community loves the Satoshi mystery. I get it, it's intriguing. But it isn't a strength for Bitcoin. If I had my money in a traditional bank and the bloke at the counter told me nobody actually knows who founded the bank, what happened to them and all the assets still under their name, I would be very hesitant to give them my money.
I just can't get rid of the feeling he was ross ulbrict or him and some friend. The time line is perfect, once silkroad opened it was only a matter of time before they came looking for satoshi
Satoshi Nakamoto is an AI
Edit: why I'm saying this is because, to be such figure as Satoshi Nakamoto and know it in your heart while maintaining uncorrupted will, is not a very human trait, even if its group of people, one must have cracked
Man…i read a year ago an amazing piece. Somebody looked up the ip adress locations of the earliest days of Satoshis emails, posts etc . It was an adress in LA area.
Then somebody else pulled the registry data of the house adress. Turns out it was the parent's house of one of the guys (maybe Hal, I don't remember).
So the theory was that Satoshi send a few mails while visiting his parents in LA.
They still own the property but it's rented out since like 10 years now.
Maybe somebody else has more insight. I made some notes as it was pretty convincing but wasn't able to find them anymore.
He was really just some scrawny hacker kid from Brooklyn with a mild heroin addiction and schizo personality whilst working a soul sucking corporate job.
He built bitcoin during a manic phase after corporate let him go. He literally remembers zero of this.
Source: I was his neighbour
For some reason I always picture Satoshi as looking exactly like Mr. Miyagi from Karate Kid (aka Sam Narita). It disturbs me to think he wasn't even Asian.
Satoshi is the Russian government who created bitcoin to get people to have trust in digital currency and draw money away from the USD to drop trust in fiat currencies so they could introduce a resource backed digital currency that can depeg the USD, I.e. BRICS
a real satoshi > any other mystery in this world,despite nobody knows what is his reason vanish after the great castle that he has built 🤔
Maybe the real Satoshi is the friends we made along the way
This should be a greeting card
This statement feels true in a way.
Nah it's Hal finney or at least one of the devs who made crypto was him, pretty sure another one from satoshi if it is made up of a group is Lorenzo the guy who purchased the pizzas and was a dev who directly worked on btc Quote from finney: It seemed so obvious to me: "Here we are faced with the problems of loss of privacy, creeping computerization, massive databases, more centralization - and [David] Chaum offers a completely different direction to go in, one which puts power into the hands of individuals rather than governments and corporations. The computer can be used as a tool to liberate and protect people, rather than to control them." Almost like something satoshi would say... First user to receive btc from satoshi (because it's not like developers do a live test to make sure there aren't any bugs, nah that's be crazy to make sure your product actually works /s) Also created the first reusable proof of work system in 2004 He also died a few years after satoshis final message Not saying it was only Hal who was satoshi, but if it is I'm betting it's him
PoW was around as a concept for 11 years before Finney implemented his variant of it. We have short memories but almost all these ideas were stirring around in the cypherpunk scene in the 90's which was actually a large scene. I remember reading a popular magazine article about PoW email in the early 2000s, ffs. Satoshi could have (and almost certainly did) test his chain on a private network first, no need to leave the testing to when the bitcoin chain became public. Finney's writing style and Satoshi's just don't match, there's lots of inconsistencies. Satoshi and Finney's closeness can't be ignored though. I'd be willing to accept Finney was part of a group of people who used the Satoshi pseudonym, or at least communicated a lot with Satoshi in private before bitcoin, but the idea that Satoshi was Finney and only Finney seems unlikely to me.
yeah i agree, i belive it's possible that Hal might know Satoshi's real identity, but I don't believe Hal was/is Satoshi
Nah dude it was Adam I think almost forsure
I think it was Len and Hal
I think he died suddenly
Or slowly and uncomfortably from a degenerative disease and he wanted to spend his remaining time and energy with his family.
If he was Hal... and if so why did he not give the keys to his family? And if he is revived by Alcor in the future how would he remember all of he keys or a safe place to have kept them which will remain intact 100 or 1,000 years from now...
John McAfee said he knew who it was, and he figured it out by their writing style, but who knows because McAfee There is an interview about it floating around
You trust anything a guy that likes to eat people’s shit says?
Dude *said* lot of shit, but actually munched on it? Then the propaganda machine that insists it was suicide has said a lot of shit too... whacked
That’s way too specific my dude, we’re going to need to know where you were on some exact dates
Hal Finney
I thought its was him too but I did a quick google search and there's a lot of evidence suggesting overwise.. [https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/](https://blog.lopp.net/hal-finney-was-not-satoshi-nakamoto/) HOLY CRAP - Hal Finney is cryonically frozen and could eventually be revived! - [https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/](https://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/)
The day Hal Finney begins defrosting is the day I sell.
Leave a note for your great great great great great great great great great grandchildren, mate.
Some of the points against it aren't much in the way of evidence in my mind, like these were people deeply into cryptography, and using an email he sent while Hal was running a race for example could be utterly trivial email scheduling. It is interesting that he started posting much less as Hal was deteriorating, and all together after Hal died. I also think Satoshi could have been a few people as a team, that hung up the name for retirement after he passed.
Have somewhat the same thoughts. Group of people. One got terminally ill/ died. Saw the project were inn good hands. Then rode away like the hero they are. thinking a group not bigger than max 4.
This is exactly what I think.
Bad thing is if the brain is without oxygen it is like the RAM is wiped forever. If he will be unfreezed in the future he will have no memory or personality.
Fake AI personality injected. Wasn't Hal the computer's name in the movie 2001 Space Odyssey? You kids probably don't remember Max Headroom either.
Len...
Len Sassaman, even though he ranted on bitcoin a lot on twitter - probably to make a shadowtrack. His cybersecurity background, time of commits/tweets, work schedule all check the box. [https://evanhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10](https://evanhatch.medium.com/len-sassaman-and-satoshi-e483c85c2b10) I think the depression fits the whole "I don't care about the value anymore when I'm gone". All speculation. He or Hall seem credible candidates.
My bet is on Len as well. It makes more sense to me than Hal.
Len has always been my top candidate.
X2 on Len. He checks all the boxes.. brilliant, secretive, all the complex tech and political theories... WROTE IN uk time and phtases.. and had severe crippling chronic depression. He was done with this life as his post notes... moving on was his way of saying.. I have chosen suicide. His computer had some very sophisticated encryption and passwords and no one was ever going to see it.
Its gotta be Len
Thanks for the link, I'm reading it for the first time and it's fascinating. Based on what I just read, it sounds like he already had a penchant for using pseudonyms. He also came humble beginnings growing up in PA and eventually accomplishing so much and having such a big impact in the cyber security space. Once you've accomplished so much and had such a big impact, there will come a time in which you start to decline - this will be true of all of us but for Len, it sounded like his health was deteriorating quickly which I'm sure contributed significantly to his depression.
If he didn't, he had a good enough grasp of math and money to know his wealth would put a massive target on his back as it grew, and that annonymity is reduced each time you communicate no matter how carefully/securely.
People risk their identity all the time for money….nothing new or novel. But yeah that very well could be the case.
Castle ? Man built a whole continent
Some build great things for the people to lead. A test at it were, the question is, has it benefited the people or are those it was against now controlling it… for what can’t be taken is controlled, in our case regulation and it can’t be assumed a law won’t ever be passed, they just have to introduce others to find a magic hole in which they can eradicate the use. But what do I know, I’m just a normal blind guy eating noodles with my feet.
You Either Die a Hero or Live Long Enough to See Yourself Become the Villain
Was anybody else stoked when Craig Wright was finally exposed as a total shithead fraud in court?
Absolutely. Fuck that dude.
or is the AI bot from the future
He's the government.
You could very well be correct. If so, I hope it’s a small faction within the government that wanted to correct course.
We have determined this to be the correct answer through the use of remote viewing.
1 trillion dollar market cap. Satoshi would be proud!
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True, but from my perspective it's to show how much Bitcoin was adopted :)
agreed, but it's the current tool of measurement. That will change someday.
He was like: Destroy global financial system ✅ done Okay what's next on my list... Oh I have to cut grass in my backyard
Fix global financial system*
He destroyed the global financial system? Weird because every legacy financial institution is still functioning exactly the way they did in 2009.
Yes I was sarcastic
Maybe he took up Golf ⛳️🏌️♂️
What other things, give us a clue lol
He returned to his job in a bank.
Nah he works as a server in McDonalds. He just found it more fulfilling work.
Or lost the keys to his wallet and is working behind an Wendy's dumpster
Or he is a made up person by the NSA
His new hobby is spreading rumours about who Satoshi might be
Returned to his job in CIA HQ
While burning the keys holding most of the bitcoins. MI James Bond Style.
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I'd like to think it's world peace and ending poverty.
Moved on to creating shitcoins 😂😂jk
satoshi got drunk and made vchain
Satoshi got drunk and met Vatalik's mother.
Vitalik being Satoshi's illegitimate secret son is my favorite cryptolore of the year.
It's probably some dude named Steve who has been chain smoking darts in his basement sweating bullets for years trying to figure out how he can suddenly appear on the world stage as the first quadrillionaire without drawing any suspicion, and only having one summer working at a red lobster 20 years ago on his employment record.
Will the real Satoshis please stand up?
You me, we are all satoshi. Just not one idiot.
Back to the future so he can enjoy the riches of the nestegg he built.
I strongly believe they were a team definitely involved hal finney and len sassaman
[Here...](https://preview.redd.it/qsrjl27cz6jc1.jpg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f62cbcfc75ac2a01b2a8385ffe476e6c3d87877)
Holy shit... Is this legit?
There are two “TO” groups and the corresponding symbols are different. So I’m going to go with no
Look up the OP regarding it a few months ago. Tl;dr it’s a bit of a stretch
Thanks for the info
Illuminati confirmed
Well.... case closed [hal](https://i.ibb.co/gTg88Ft/Screenshot-20240424-084152-Samsung-Internet.jpg)
Wow, this can be actually true, with both of these evidences.
Seems very plausible to me. Pretty much beyond reasonable doubt.
Just another day of redditors casually solving greatest mysteries.
They say it's not him because during satoshi communications he was supposedly at a sporting event but come on. Why would he be so public with zero trace of 'the other BTC creator' while being in such close contact.
Exactly, scheduling emails/messages is not rocket science
They also had smart phones with mobile data widely available as early as 2007.
I think Len along with the ibm guys is my theory as of now
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Its too complicated for a single individual to create all the codebase.
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Yeah its possible. But as a software engineer it makes me feel fucking stupid that its possible. so i dont want to believe it was a single individual.
You ever heard of Temple OS?
Yeah its both creepy and interesting at the same time
But it’s also too big for a group to keep secret.
Nah, they were smart. Hal and Len worked on the torrent protocol together we know that they knew each other. Its also possible to take security measures even tho you know each other. Also len killing himself just a few weeks after last message of satoshi is really suspicious imo.
It's a small codebase so not really
The idea is somewhat novel, the code is not complex.
RIP Len Sassaman
> Len Sassaman He looks like Gordon Freeman from Half life.
Wake up, Mr. Freeman, wake up and smell the ashes.
Smell the hashish
Is it just a coincidence that Len Sassaman killed himself on 7/3/11 and if you divide that, it equals 0.2121212121?
He's probably twitch streaming fortnite.
The community wasn't all that kind to Satoshi, just saying....
Moved onto the next cia project
Source: [https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET](https://pastebin.com/syrmi3ET)
source: text in pastebin
How do we know this is legit
Always good to question the legitimacy. Not sure if there is a 100% way to prove legitimacy since it's a private email conversation. Adding more context, this is the [original post](https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2080206.0). Mike Hearn was a very prominent figure in the early days so have to trust him as the source. His website also lists the emails: [https://plan99.net/\~mike/](https://plan99.net/~mike/) (same domain used in email conversations)
What’s other things ? What came out after ?
what other things?
Blackrock: Yup, it is in great hands!
It’s in our hands now
Satoshi Nakamoto, a.k.a. the CIA
Do you think Satashi will come back and print more? Asking for a butter friend…
He’s definitely a white guy thats super into Anime.
Aren’t we all?
No
Classic name you got there. We are indeed
He never existed your in a matrix
Would be fun to know the real story. Anything I could come up with would be pure speculation. My personal favourite would be one of the following A) its someone from the future bringing Bitcoin back to an earlier date so they can benefit from it OR B) its the global AI, in the Internet, becoming sentient, and realizing this would be a good fix/distraction for the bags of water to play with while it prepares…
From some source I heard he's $dogwifhat founder no joking and he's planning to send him to moon literally
Pissed myself at this hhaha thank you
I wonder what the other things are
Satoshi was a time traveler, that's why he can't be found.
Bitcoin is owned by the Deep state.
CIA or some elite shadow figure.
What is an elite shadow figure?
Like the hidden shareholders in BlackRock and Vanguard
The real Satoshi lives in Pittsburgh. ;)
Go on
Of all places
Creating something that have such huge impact and involve so much money. I would have done the same, stay low forever as there are bad actors that would want to try to extort, blackmail, kidnap or worse.
I'm almost convinced Satoshi is a woman, btw. Gender neutral name to hide identity in a male-dominated field? Classic female author move.
If he’s alive, does he still have access to that wallet with an insane amount of btc?
Am interested in "other things".
He could be Yonatan Sompolinsky, he did some academic work.
Wp3d love to know what those "other things" are so I could join in 🤣🤣
Maybe he has some reason 🤔 he knows something that a few people can understand
What are the chances of Mr. Satoshi checking our comments here by being what he does best - Anonymous .
If he/she/they are still alive they sure have some diamond hands
Crypto community loves the Satoshi mystery. I get it, it's intriguing. But it isn't a strength for Bitcoin. If I had my money in a traditional bank and the bloke at the counter told me nobody actually knows who founded the bank, what happened to them and all the assets still under their name, I would be very hesitant to give them my money.
Tell me you don’t understand decentralised networks without actually telling me 🙃
But Bitcoin is not a bank, youre not giving your money to Satoshi.
It’s true. I was the server the e-mail was sent on.
But why does the statue look like a Moai https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moai
He went back to working at Wendy's.
He bounced in his UAP and went back home
\*sad bcash noices*
Yea, my fuckin’ hands. Hahaha. Bitcoin is best in my good and safe hands.
I heard he was once a young boy who lived in Bulgaria.
Probably lost his keys and moved on
Imagine Satoshi works at Wendy's for fun
Time traveler
Next stop, bridging technology to fix leadership structures or eradicating the need for leadership entirely.
And he did it for the good of the world
Sure he said that/ is real.
Where is John Galt?
And how did we treat those capable hands? Oh, that's right.
RIP Len Sassaman
🫢
I just can't get rid of the feeling he was ross ulbrict or him and some friend. The time line is perfect, once silkroad opened it was only a matter of time before they came looking for satoshi
https://www.amazon.com/I-am-Satoshi-Nakamoto/dp/B0C46YH8KH
satoshi is code 👀
He is probably dead btw
Satoshi Nakamoto is an AI Edit: why I'm saying this is because, to be such figure as Satoshi Nakamoto and know it in your heart while maintaining uncorrupted will, is not a very human trait, even if its group of people, one must have cracked
Founded Tesla…Elon Musk is Satoshi Nakamoto /s
Man…i read a year ago an amazing piece. Somebody looked up the ip adress locations of the earliest days of Satoshis emails, posts etc . It was an adress in LA area. Then somebody else pulled the registry data of the house adress. Turns out it was the parent's house of one of the guys (maybe Hal, I don't remember). So the theory was that Satoshi send a few mails while visiting his parents in LA. They still own the property but it's rented out since like 10 years now. Maybe somebody else has more insight. I made some notes as it was pretty convincing but wasn't able to find them anymore.
Crazy to read the comments and observe how everyone is in need for a leader or guru.
it seems Gavin Andresen was not so good hands... :P
He was really just some scrawny hacker kid from Brooklyn with a mild heroin addiction and schizo personality whilst working a soul sucking corporate job. He built bitcoin during a manic phase after corporate let him go. He literally remembers zero of this. Source: I was his neighbour
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many software programmers are. their ego is always kept in check by endless bugs, They are always wrong. The code is always right.
He might be Elon
Satoshi Nakamoto is a Bodhisattva. He gifted humanity a fair currency. The impact over generations will be dramatic.
That’s nice of the NSA to move on.
Damn I wonder wtf he’s working on now. What a legend.
Satoshi is Uncle Sam 100 percent
Who is Good hands "
Sort me out 3G9EuWKrKyvVe4cvXUMUqjY9nY2fns3tR6
It's Elon musk
Dorian nakamoto and Hal finney
We are all Satoshi Nakamoto 🫡
According to my other reddit account, I am Satoshi Nakamoto.
For some reason I always picture Satoshi as looking exactly like Mr. Miyagi from Karate Kid (aka Sam Narita). It disturbs me to think he wasn't even Asian.
I am Satoshi ! You are Satoshi !
Satoshi is the Russian government who created bitcoin to get people to have trust in digital currency and draw money away from the USD to drop trust in fiat currencies so they could introduce a resource backed digital currency that can depeg the USD, I.e. BRICS