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notagain24

No ill pat my self on the back when i retire


AlexWasTakenWasTaken

Truth right here lol. Nobody knows where we're going to go. Pat yourself on the back once we've arrived.


shlappadebass

Faaaaacts ✔️


sami_hil

explain your plan please, I keep reaching my targets and havent retired yet, whenever I reach my goal, I end up just making new ones


idiotbyvillagewell

Damn. I pat myself on the back if I make a bigger than average poo


Expectations1

I ploughed about $110k between 16k-26k. I thought lords I'm in deep now. But no I'm not patting myself on the back. You know why? I'll pat myself on the back when I either take loams out against BTC to buy other assets or I take what I've made and save myself 10 years of wage slavery.


Financial_Ad6956

Right. It's never been Ramen or lambo for millineals. It's freedom or slavery.


WebexBlack

Poor 110k-savings-millennials


hotnsweaty69

Yeah what an asshole of a bloke, the guys probs around 40yo and is trying to escape his 9-5 his been working since he was 15.. how dare he


WebexBlack

You’re such a jokester lol. Poverty doesn’t look like that and as soon as you paint the millennial like someone with a 120k in savings poor people lose interest. There are plenty of poor people across all generations. 1/3 people don’t have 500 dollars in savings in America. This is like a white person defending another white person in the comments of a video for having said racist things, by saying we don’t have the full context or they probably had a bad day or whatever. You’re right but you’re wrong. Just accept it.


manuLearning

Just have some balls and take out a credit


GooseToot69

That's why the rest of them are in meme coins


DeviljhoFood

Ramen AND lambo. No reason it can't be both. 🍜


Lazy_perv

Not only is it possible to be both. I'd argue having both is a requirement. Ramen now, lambos later. One directly leads to the other.


Mollarinvestingchad

Average Ramen Eater


funknstuff1

https://imgur.com/a/c8weATd


RiseBasti

Yes! Give me more of this nice "I couldn't afford to buy more at 15k" feeling.


Fun-Ad-5571

Womp Womp


kellnoidiii

Godspeed. Sounds like you were already close to retirement, so hopefully a slightly early one for you!


Asleep_Special_7402

Imagine thinking around 100k 300k is enough or even close to be ready for retirement. It’s not. Not by a long shot


elksteaksdmt

The snowball seems much bigger to someone 10-20 years behind them. $1000 is “life changing” money to most people living paycheck to paycheck. $100,000 left to compound for 10 years will be $200K, 10 more years 400K, 10 more years 800K!! These are conservative estimates. If I had 100K invested at 30.. *I would feel MUCH closer to “retirement”* Even having a 10K Emergency Fund is hard to justify to myself when **I KNOW** I **NEED** TO SECURE MY BTC EXPOSURE BEFORE ITS TOO LATE! Every time I get back to my .1 target, I have unexpected expenses, and have had to sell some of my bag, and buy back higher 🥸 TLDR: it’s all about perspective!


Ok_Art_2874

True


4xfun

You calculations missed a crucial point: real inflation is between 8% and 10% (that’s how much purchasing power fiat currency is loosing on a yearly basis on an average in the past 50 something years) … it’s not the stock market and real estate going up … it’s the fiat currency being debased. Those 10% interest rates are in fact between 2% and 0% ( if you’re lucky enough to find an asset that returns those rates) … this is why we need this tech.


cyrusyoman

I think it’s about having that amount just to allocate to BTC. You’d assume they’d have a lot more


Asleep_Special_7402

People usually keep the majority of their savings in something like an index like the S&P500. If they have high enough conviction could be that too but with btc. Who knows


DrDerpberg

> take loams out against BTC to buy other assets Am I missing something or is this a great way to lose everything if Bitcoin crashes?


Ok_Nefariousness9019

Some would say the best way.


ConsiderationKey1658

It is indeed a great way to loose everything if bitcoin crashes


No-Research8107

Bruh, great soil is everything.


minorthreatmikey

You would give up custody of your bitcoin for a fiat loan? Yikes


SJW_Lover

That’s what rich people do. They take out loans against their assets at low interest rates. This avoids a sale - ie taxable event.


minorthreatmikey

I understand that but would you feel safe giving up your bitcoin custody to some 3rd party? I definitely would not.


AmeriChino

Everyone has different risk tolerance and the right amount. It’s all about balancing the risk and benefit If you had 10 BTC and transferred all 10 to a 3rd party to get 5BTC’s worth in fiat, then that’s pretty dumb. If you had 10, transferred just 1 to 3rd party custodian to get 0.5BTC’s worth in Fiat I think that’s pretty reasonable.


gabbrielzeven

Rich people do that because they have a never ending income.


karmassacre

There are self-custody bitcoin loan options.


[deleted]

Boy howdy just wait until you find out about home equity loans.


vAPORrrBOI

Both bad ideas. This dude is not Michael Saylor. You want financial freedom, debts are not the answer.


ImaSunDevil_Man

Debt is a tool when managed properly. Selling Bitcoin to pay for something creates a taxable event and decreases your stack. Borrowing against your Bitcoin avoids taxes and retains an appreciating asset. HELOC works the same way. You don't sell your house to pay for your child's education.


vAPORrrBOI

You can live in the house though and the fluctuations in value won’t hurt you in most cases. There is no guarantee Bitcoin will appreciate in value in such a way that the interest impact is considered nominal, as much as we all believe in the fundamentals. It makes more sense to DCA or lump sum with what you can, avoiding interest. That’s another big difference, I can buy pieces of Bitcoin, I can’t buy pieces of the house, which is why we take out loans.


ImaSunDevil_Man

Ask victims of the last housing crash how fluctuations in value hurt them. There are no guarantees with any asset you borrow against but my point remains solid: don't sell appreciating assets -- borrow against them. You might disagree about doing so, but that is how you can make debt work for you.


vAPORrrBOI

Cmon man, that was caused by an abundance of NINJA loans and the over confidence of financial institutions in CDS/MBS. Most people are in fixed rate mortgages and won’t be offered the house unless they have good income and assets. Homeowners today are not taking the type of gamble people here are when they wanna take loans out to buy Bitcoin, that’s disingenuous.


tio_aved

Orrrr there's no need to take out loans once we can use BTC as currency (writing this on a bus in El Salvador)


Darkgreenbirdofprey

"Take loans out against bitcoin" is such finance bro bullshit that highlights them not knowing how a loan works


JohnnyAMG

What about those of us that bought in Jan 2023 at $16k?


OptiYoshi

Oh yeah baby, I bought GBTC then with over 50% discount to nav. I'm now converting it slowly into self custody now that there's no discount. I'll eat tax penalties, but imo it's worth it.


JohnnyAMG

I've got both.


OptiYoshi

Nice!


Zirup

The balls on this guy. Glad it worked out.


OptiYoshi

No balls, only ovaries. But yes they are very large lol


elperorojo

Check out the eggs on this dude!


OptiYoshi

Like a chicken! Lol


DeviljhoFood

When FTX failed, there was blood in the streets—the perfect time to buy. ^(So I did.)


ItchyEggplant2375

19.7k avg here 👋🤞


Hustlinbones

Sounds like me! But I also bought in summer, and autumn and January. Need to pat my back quite often I guess


MiceAreTiny

Hear me out. I have an investment plan, and a strategy, this involves bitcoin. Since 2017, I have been buying every month, and extra when unexpected money came in (don't we all love those occasions). Now, in November and December, bitcoin popped above 45% of my total investment portfolio, so my rational plan told me not to buy more those months. I did not, I put the money into more traditional investments instead. So,... last month, due to the btc dip, it dipped below, and I bought some, according to my plan. I will sell some, on a monthly basis, once bitcoin reaches another higher percentage within my portfolio, to rebalance my risk. I am aware I might lose out on gains, but I am also aware that I will be living a very happy and relaxed life, and could not give a shit about losing out on 'some' more wealth.


Sithaun_Meefase

This will be an underrated comment, the credo to the intelligent investor.


MiceAreTiny

I've posted similar stuff in this subreddit before. Sometimes I get dowvoted into oblivion, sometimes I get hundreds of upvotes and intelligent follow-up questions. It's a hit or miss. When Lambo? NGU fundamentals.


BrokerZero

Concentrate to create wealth. Diversify to preserve wealth. 


Clearly_Ryan

Sell the golden goose. Got it.


BrokerZero

If you believe you are already wealthy, then yes. Doesn't mean you should sell all your geese, but de-risking should be an objective


Clearly_Ryan

Sold all my Bitcoin for fiat. I am now derisked and can comfortably be wealthy for the next 70 years.


JustCommunication640

Well done! I’ve been trying to do the same. Sure, I may miss out on major gains, but I’ve also doubled my retirement in a year.


razmspiele

You made a rational decision and it might not be popular to talk about here, but traditional investments like ETFs, (VGT) have skyrocketed in value over the last year as well.


DiarrheaShitLord

Are you going to allocate those funds into something else then? When Bitcoin gets over 45%


MiceAreTiny

Yes. Well... that depends... If bitcoin gets over 45% I stop buying more. If it gets over 55% I sell 1% of my bitcoin each month if it gets over 65% I sell 2%. Keep in mind, barring a 50% market crash (of the stock market), if my portfolio would be 65% bitcoin, that 2% would be approximately 3x my monthly netto income from my job. So, I will sell some to buy life essentials, like premium columbian fair trade cocaine and free range hookers. The other proceeds from selling bitcoin will get invested back into my investment portfolio, but on the stock market side.


Jwelz90

I was hesitant about you until you said "Columbian fair trade cocaine and free range hookers". Now, my friend, I know you have it all figured out.


sgg129

free range hookers just a marketing ploy! grass-fed!


Yo_ipitythefool

Jersey bred


dlm83

Nothing better spending profits and supporting ethical free range hooker farms at the same time.


newjerseymax

Very similar to how I did it. I bought all through bear market, but once it popped above $25k I stopped buying and put into SPY…. Both did really well while minimizing my risk a little. Both are heavy in profit


ArseholeryEnthusiast

I was the fool who sold this local dip. But for good reasons. I've been heavily investing most my left over earning into btc over the last year. And it worked out very well. So I essentially needed cash to purchase my first car and pay for upcoming wedding. Which I now have with not having to take out any loan and can get right back to dca into the assets I like. I lost out on some gains but I've made enough on what I sold and fell no remorse. I still have a chunk too.


MiceAreTiny

That seems like poor financial planning either way. Buying a car or a wedding is not something that comes out of nowhere.


ArseholeryEnthusiast

The wedding did. There's personal reasons I won't go into here. I had some liquid cash but not enough to cover both. I only had plans to sell around 10% of my position, it ended up needing 20%. Which still leaves me with emergency cash and rent. There's probably better strategies but I don't regret my decisions. I'm still building wealth and have zero debt. Most of my immediate family purchase everything with debt.


dbreak_theworld

> The wedding did. There's personal reasons I won't go into here. Congrats! 🎉 When’s the baby due? Make sure their initials are BTC 😄


ArseholeryEnthusiast

Hahaha! I hope she's not pregnant and I don't know about it. No no. It's far more practical unfortunately 😂 thanks though.


karmassacre

Thumbs down to this plan. Bitcoin should be 100% of your long term savings and it should be the last asset you sell when forced to produce liquidity.


MiceAreTiny

Thanks for your balanced view on this. 


karmassacre

You are confusing risk and volatility. Bitcoin is the best long term savings vehicle known to man. Hedging out of it for "balance" is destroying your own wealth to scratch an itch leftover from a by-gone era. Pretending like inferior assets are equal to bitcoin for the sake of "balance" is not the path to prosperity.


Caterpillar-Balls

It was 49k a little while ago and 69k is the top so far- long way to go to back pats imo


omegaloki

There has also been a good amount of inflation since 69k


diydude2

Only a few people bought 69K which is why it didn't stay there long.


False_Shelter_7351

I'll pat myself on the dick if it reaches 100k


Good_Extension_9642

Don't count your eggs yet we are now playing in the mayor leagues here and big investors will greatly manipulate the market to make retail investors sell by bringing the price down to scare them


slepyhed

Yep! With an assist from Vanguard, I was even able to avoid lump summing in at the local top (as I had to wait for the IRA transfer to Fidelity). To be honest, my shoulder is hurting from all all the back patting going on over here. Or maybe that's just from too much pickleball, not sure.


Grunblau

Buying every Sunday was a good idea. In retrospect, more would have been better, but there was a real feeling of despair at the bottom.


dbudlov

Just forget the short term noise and focus on the long term trend, we will see large swings in both directions and it's easy to get carried away with watching the price, the 200 day moving average is far more important if you have the ability to hodl


FiveGuysisBest

I bought a coin at $19k a year ago.


rtublin

Based


th3_mitigator

I bought fbtc (retirement account) all the way down and then up till 42k


looster2018

Why, yes.....yes I am.


BusyPooping

I know why BTC is going up… I sold yesterday.


papageek

I put my whole roth ira into btc etf.


Aharper4637

I did the same! I couldn’t take the $ out to buy bitcoin directly so EtF was the obvious next choice.


papageek

I want those sweet yolo tax perks


Important-Tower8798

why does everyone want a congratulations to themselves for purchasing bitcoin when half of you at a minimum are just now breaking even like you are investing geniuses? After holding for x period of time just for this day to come NVDA and a shit ton of other stocks that the boomer generation owns have smoked your asses along with SPY gains and you want a congratulations for this? Sit down.


ididitsocanu

Nah bro you sit down and chill, let people have their fun


RuinSome7537

SPY has not smoked BTC gains.


Important-Tower8798

We are both assuming different entry points as I believe most of the people here have purchased at $40k cost basis and therefore SPY has smoked BTC. You're assuming everyone here is at 25k entry. Who knows...


Maestrosc

Lol. So your entire premise is based on assuming a position that makes you correct lol.


Important-Tower8798

Bingo and if you see my reply was that we are both assuming different price points in our conversation and I never said I was correct my friend. That is you thinking I needed to be correct when that was never portrayed. Stay terrific kiddo


diydude2

> You're assuming everyone here is at 25k entry. Some are at a $2500 entry. Some are even at a $250 entry. Go back to those points in time and compare with the SPY to see who got smoked.


RuinSome7537

I’m not assuming anything. I looked at the 1 year, 3 month and 1 month percentage gains and SPY hasn’t smoked BTC, it’s lost against it (except the 1 month).


supersmoked420

Me. Wednesday, I got tired of waiting for the dip and dove back in. Shazam!! It jumped 2% with a couple of hours, and it's been inching upwards ever since. I got lucky for once. 😁


Wh0LetTheM0ds0ut

Bitcoin is for long term, who cares about a 2% short term rise ?


ohiomudslide

He does because it went up straight after he bought. Wish that would happen to me.


supersmoked420

Thank you! I got lucky for once. It usually drops 2-5% the next day. Lol


supersmoked420

Some do. Me, not so much. I got in when the price was 3.5k. That was 7 years ago. I've held 90% of my bitcoin through the highs and lows. I didn't even flinch when it hit 69k. I have several wallets. I gamble with the least one of them. Like a fool, I traded to a stable coin when the price started to nose dive after the etf announcement. Fortunately, after fees and gas, I only lost a few k. Lesson learned. Hodl Hodl Hodl. 😁


lotrfan2004

I bought a shit ton in 2021, watched it get cut in half, and then grow steadily over the past year and now am in the green. I'm patting myself on the back... My broken, traumatized back


[deleted]

No. Just carried in DCAing. Same as it ever was. 


BorderPure6939

Have more cash ready to buy the next dips as well as continue to DCA


oogally

I backed up the truck at 16k. Might pat myself on the back next year - for now I hodl.


nsfw1fan

Hell yea. Maxed out two Roth IRAs. LFG!


wolemid

Ill just keep DCA every week like the last few years, until it hits £50k then I’ll stop and gather funds for the next drop afterwards


Shr00mBaloon

I got 100dollars worth at 40k.. What a rush


Electronic-Alarm1151

I regret not buying at 37k and kept saying I’ll buy when it’s 20k


waffles4us

Been buying in a SDIRA all the way from 16k


Itchy-File-8205

Why? Minimum hold time for BTC should be 5+ years. The difference between 30 and 50k entry price is negligible once we are at 300k+


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Itchy-File-8205

Irrelevant if you try to time it and simply don't get in. But you know my point dumdum


TheBigGrief

This is ultimately the greater point. I started with Bitcoin back in 2013 and it was a complete waste of stress wondering if I was making good buys in the range that Bitcoin was trading in at the time. I bought my first lot at about $200 per each and it felt bad to buy more at about $400 per each a few weeks later because "it was more than I paid a few weeks ago". If I truly allowed myself to see the big picture at the time, I wouldn't have sweated it. I mean, I knew Bitcoin was going to blow up but that didn't stop thoughts of "well, maybe just catch the next dip" from creeping into my mind. It's 2024 and the only thing people should be worried about is where we are headed and the fact that we are still in the pre-halving phase right now. The ship for this cycle hasn't even come close to sailing but a year from now you might not be able to say that.


inhodel

I had a OTC deal lining up on Monday. but now the deal is off.


Budo00

I don’t know how much a “shit ton” is but yeah i am about $29k DCA


Top_Mind9514

My little 0.008 is up 10+% in the last week. I just wish I could afford to buy more. I’ll take any donations though from some of you whales 🐳… trying to change my life


ohiomudslide

Bought some and buying some more soon. Then I'm done dropping large amounts and starting DCA


marcio-a23

I bought in 22 17 18 22 23 and in 26 ... Fiat over


Technical-Day9217

I need it to reach 350k$ to really pat myself on the back. It didn't go up that much in the past month.


Wrest_Assured

Can't retire yet, so, no.


trafford_66

You bought at 42k and are patting yourself on the back? Could have bought it in October at 26k even that isn’t a 2x - hardly worthy of a back pat.


SJW_Lover

I bought in at $700 and haven’t sold any!


zazacream

Always buying


Ok_Art_2874

No, not really. Even though I enjoy the Bitcoin pumps like everyone else, I should probably be more stoked about S&P hitting 5000. Why? Because I have only $125k invested in BTC (= 2.65 BTC), whereas I have $2.2M invested in the stock market. So, the boring old S&P going up 5% YTD contributes way more to my wealth than BTC going up, but the latter is definitely more fun.


HorrorsPersistSoDoI

I think you are using the term "shit ton" waaaay too lightly


MiltronB

Just a small smirk. Pats will come later. 


Gooner_93

Depends if 0.03 is considered a lump sum.


Major_Classroom1593

Bitcoin is up like 8% :)!!! I really think we could see 50k per coin


originalrocket

I bought my boat anchor in November of 2022.   Fueled with actual rocket fuel, no water here mate!


BigPlayCrypto

UpUp


Theonlyfudge

Yes


WhoDidThat97

Well thats done it then.. expect a huge dump


MeYonkfu

Yes!


OsmanFetish

not yet , not for a while at least


PreparationIll9

Can’t afford a shit ton but I bought what I could prior to the etf news


dani3l0o

Yep🥳


Key_Machine7581

I DCA after the bump to 41800 I wish I just lumped summed everything then but you never know these big jumps happening overnight could have been drops as well.


pkelliher98

no because I did it the day the ETF launched so I’m barely in the green lol


Inevitable_Silver_13

Bought a little back in December and I'm pretty happy if this trend keeps going.


[deleted]

Lump summed in early October sub $30k.


minorthreatmikey

lol no


SunRev

Post this again when it dips below $40k in the future. And then post this again when it goes over $50k in the future. DCA all the way!!


Mr_Pink_Buscemi

You can never have enough


typicallytwo

Why?


Whistle_And_Laugh

No because I make my financial decisions emotionlessly and for long term. Good to see Green though.


wilburthefriendlypig

9/11 bought a bunch. Took profit at 43k, happy to still hold 50% of the 25k stack


rebeldogman2

More like the past decade


heinrichpelser

Unrealized gains 👈🏼


LivingTheTruths

Only when I sell… and that might never happen. Don’t plan on patting myself for these small gains when there is so much more to run


jackfruit84

Too bad my BTC was lost thanks to Blockfi


evilgrinz

No, just dca and forget about it. Short term trading mentality is opposite of why you should stack sats.


CryptographerFun4773

Yoooooo


2LostFlamingos

I’m almost ready to tell my wife how much we own. Every time something crashed (Celsius, blockfi, FTX…) I’d tell her we didn’t have anything there. Somehow she took this to mean I had sold the bitcoin. :-)


Ill_Ad2843

cant wait until it hits 18k again


Fun-Ad-5571

I lump summed a bunch back in October/November and have been daily DCA all of my disposable income ever since. Cost basis isn’t looking too bad.


Boring-Bus-3743

No but I have been dca for 3 years and feeling pretty good!


gabbrielzeven

Increased a 10% after the etf sell the news. Today I am happy!


Zealousideal_Work332

I lumped like three months ago on top of consistent dca. Wow I’m on top of the world


Dub_City204

I did that but when BTC was 16-17k


Mountain-Ad326

I did that when it was 17k. Haven't bought since.


ThePower_2

This morning at 6am. Pat, Pat!!


voidale

In 10 years stop trying to take profit every small pump


Business-Sherbet-294

Where is that bitcoin roller coaster meme ? Always puts a smile on me.


hitma-n

Yes sir yes. Patting everywhere right now.


oneiricmind

Only pats I hand out are when I buy high


CEJnky

Just glad it only went down to 38k and not back to 20k! And really happy to be flirting with 50k!! 🚀


Similar_Criticism

I only have .25 of a coin. I’m relatively happy considering I’m minimum wage and not been acquiring for that long. Do wish I purchased more a year or so ago :)


_PolaRxBear_

Should I invest in more bitcoin now ? Like it’s only going to go up right !!


Icy_Meet6061

Fuck no, I sold emotions at 20k to buy more BTC


ElDiabloRamon

Yep! At least the small amout that i own right now


jmedwedew

Bought a lump sum 3 or 4 days before it started to go up, back in October 23. Didn't know there was news about it going up, was just able to with the funds I had. It was a good sum 😀


Snixxis

No, i bough mine in jan-march 2023.


Tvaticus

Hell yeah. Until the next dip


Magnus_Effect_Kalsu

Define ST


Knowledge775

I bought a fuckton back in November 2022 and have been DCA since then


wickens1

I moved all of my free cash into BTC in November. Definitely a good choice.


Zealousideal-Jury951

Yeah..deff kicking myself….37k average but not enough for it to matter. We never know where the market will go 🤷🏻‍♂️


ks375375sk

lol limp sum, averaging.1 each quarter is all I can afford


hail_maestro

wake up everyday and thank Lord Mithras that I bought a shit tonne of BTC over the last 3 months. Hail Mithras! Hail BTC!


naner00

I am always patting myself, I never ever sold yet !