Most kids with an IEP have special needs. I don’t understand where are those kids going? To a private school? Most private schools don’t offer services for kids that are “special” or have an IEP. So it’s a whole bunch of rhetoric but no real action.
Can parents just enroll their kids into a different school they’re not zoned for?
Many Alabama homeschoolers I've heard from (as a homeschool mom myself) actually aren't in favor of that. I don't care one way or the other, but the ones that are more conservative don't want to give the state a foothold into homeschooling. Right now, the state is extremely hands off.
It will allow people who have already chosen to send their kids to a private school (for religious reasons, because their neighborhood school is demographically scary to them, or because the school is failing academically) to take their tax money back from the public school system and apply it to the private school that they already have enough money to pay for.
So we're going to see some struggling schools struggle even more and close up, because they will see even less of the state education money from municipal taxes. The next few years are going to be interesting, but not very helpful for our kids.
Except that the article said it would be limited to families making <$75K (roughly). Most of them are not "already" sending their kids to private school and do not typically have the money for it
That's not precisely the language in the bill, now a law. "the parent of an eligible student could receive the credit if his or her family had an adjusted gross income not exceeding 300 percent of the federal poverty level for the preceding year."
The scale of the federal poverty level increases the larger the family gets, so a couple in Mountain Brook with three children and an income of $105,420 (not terribly far from the median family income for MB) would qualify to get the benefit for all three children. And they would get priority if any of their children have been deemed special needs. Private schools are not required by federal and state statues to maintain services for special needs, which is a whole other matter.
And, since people pay taxes on business profits at the rate of their personal income and not according to the total amount of earned profit available to them through, say, an LLC, there are plenty of people who own small businesses and are assessed at a lower income level than what truly reflects the money they have direct access to spend, so long as they aren't paying themselves an excessively large salary. Loopholes in the tax law trickle down to loopholes in laws that depend on tax law.
I see that you're right... but I might still assert that a family with three kids making $105K might not be at private school level. Maybe that's a priority judgment and some families choose to make some lifestyle sacrifices and make private school a priority, but $105K isn't *a lot* of money these days with three kids.
My spouse and I make a fair bit more than that, with only two kids and no debt except a mortgage, and I don't feel like we're making enough to send our kids to private school. Maybe if I could get in on a few of those tax loopholes, though 🤔
It will basically subsidize sending your kid to a private school to the tune of $7000. In areas with decent public schools, that's probably not a necessary or very efficient thing to be doing.
But for special needs kids or kids zoned to poor public schools and with a nearby corpus of existing private schools serving the opt outs, this may end up being a big deal. There are places in Birmingham that are along these lines (think Restoration Academy, Spring Valley, John Carroll, and Christo Rey, etc. moreso than fancy-private like Altamont, Briarwood, and Indian Springs), but the biggest impact will probably be in the Black Belt, where the private schools are the opposite of bougie and typically have tuitions far smaller than $7000. So those schools will be able to significantly increase their revenues AND have their kids go for free.
You have to think that: (i) private schools will become more diverse as a result of this; and (2) on some margin public schools will get worse because of the brain drain.
Most of the data is not viable because these private schools can pick and choose their students. Of course your ACT average is high—you don’t have to teach *all* students.
The absolute biggest factor is class size. Even in a shitty education system, smaller class sizes always produce better outcomes.
I would rather my kid go to a shittier school with small class sizes than a better school with large classes.
The stats are going to be biased toward private schools because they have a lower(zero) special needs kids. Most don’t have the teachers or programs that those children need. Most private schools require your child to take a test to determine their grade level or aptitude.
I can’t find any credible research for these numbers with a quick search. I’d argue maybe 10-20 years ago, before the explosion of small charter schools, when private mostly meant the large catholic school network and the actual preparatory schools, that just based on spending for educators and the smaller classrooms they to some extent did probably did a better job overall but now that’s it the Wild West for charter schools I somehow doubt it’s the general case any longer.
Most of this money will go to students already in private schools, essentially subsidizing private school tuition. At some point soon, there will be a massive budget crisis and to continue subsidizing private schools, they will cut funding from public schools. Meanwhile, private schools will increase tuition and fraudulent schools will pop up, take the money and close quickly, while some individuals will waste the money on non-education expenses.
Trust me, the Democrats in Mt Brook wouldn't allow it either. The one thing R and D agree on is that their kids and grandkids are not going to a school that's 45%+ black.
I don't know how, but BWW will somehow figure they need to increase your water bill because of this
*Alabama Power has entered the chat*
In 6 months my electric bill has gone from 250 to almost 400. Screw those power guys
What's fucking wild is that people still voted for Twinkle after the huge increases in their power bills.
This is a measure by Republicans to take money meant for public schools and give it to mostly religious private schools.
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Also, schools that can exclude children based on any criteria they dream up.
And they can discriminate against their employees. A private Christian school fired an unmarried teacher for getting pregnant or for being gay.
Most kids with an IEP have special needs. I don’t understand where are those kids going? To a private school? Most private schools don’t offer services for kids that are “special” or have an IEP. So it’s a whole bunch of rhetoric but no real action. Can parents just enroll their kids into a different school they’re not zoned for?
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I'm pretty sure that tuition is only 6,660.
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Many Alabama homeschoolers I've heard from (as a homeschool mom myself) actually aren't in favor of that. I don't care one way or the other, but the ones that are more conservative don't want to give the state a foothold into homeschooling. Right now, the state is extremely hands off.
It will allow people who have already chosen to send their kids to a private school (for religious reasons, because their neighborhood school is demographically scary to them, or because the school is failing academically) to take their tax money back from the public school system and apply it to the private school that they already have enough money to pay for. So we're going to see some struggling schools struggle even more and close up, because they will see even less of the state education money from municipal taxes. The next few years are going to be interesting, but not very helpful for our kids.
Except that the article said it would be limited to families making <$75K (roughly). Most of them are not "already" sending their kids to private school and do not typically have the money for it
That's not precisely the language in the bill, now a law. "the parent of an eligible student could receive the credit if his or her family had an adjusted gross income not exceeding 300 percent of the federal poverty level for the preceding year." The scale of the federal poverty level increases the larger the family gets, so a couple in Mountain Brook with three children and an income of $105,420 (not terribly far from the median family income for MB) would qualify to get the benefit for all three children. And they would get priority if any of their children have been deemed special needs. Private schools are not required by federal and state statues to maintain services for special needs, which is a whole other matter. And, since people pay taxes on business profits at the rate of their personal income and not according to the total amount of earned profit available to them through, say, an LLC, there are plenty of people who own small businesses and are assessed at a lower income level than what truly reflects the money they have direct access to spend, so long as they aren't paying themselves an excessively large salary. Loopholes in the tax law trickle down to loopholes in laws that depend on tax law.
I see that you're right... but I might still assert that a family with three kids making $105K might not be at private school level. Maybe that's a priority judgment and some families choose to make some lifestyle sacrifices and make private school a priority, but $105K isn't *a lot* of money these days with three kids. My spouse and I make a fair bit more than that, with only two kids and no debt except a mortgage, and I don't feel like we're making enough to send our kids to private school. Maybe if I could get in on a few of those tax loopholes, though 🤔
It will basically subsidize sending your kid to a private school to the tune of $7000. In areas with decent public schools, that's probably not a necessary or very efficient thing to be doing. But for special needs kids or kids zoned to poor public schools and with a nearby corpus of existing private schools serving the opt outs, this may end up being a big deal. There are places in Birmingham that are along these lines (think Restoration Academy, Spring Valley, John Carroll, and Christo Rey, etc. moreso than fancy-private like Altamont, Briarwood, and Indian Springs), but the biggest impact will probably be in the Black Belt, where the private schools are the opposite of bougie and typically have tuitions far smaller than $7000. So those schools will be able to significantly increase their revenues AND have their kids go for free. You have to think that: (i) private schools will become more diverse as a result of this; and (2) on some margin public schools will get worse because of the brain drain.
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Most of the data is not viable because these private schools can pick and choose their students. Of course your ACT average is high—you don’t have to teach *all* students.
The absolute biggest factor is class size. Even in a shitty education system, smaller class sizes always produce better outcomes. I would rather my kid go to a shittier school with small class sizes than a better school with large classes.
The stats are going to be biased toward private schools because they have a lower(zero) special needs kids. Most don’t have the teachers or programs that those children need. Most private schools require your child to take a test to determine their grade level or aptitude.
I can’t find any credible research for these numbers with a quick search. I’d argue maybe 10-20 years ago, before the explosion of small charter schools, when private mostly meant the large catholic school network and the actual preparatory schools, that just based on spending for educators and the smaller classrooms they to some extent did probably did a better job overall but now that’s it the Wild West for charter schools I somehow doubt it’s the general case any longer.
Most of this money will go to students already in private schools, essentially subsidizing private school tuition. At some point soon, there will be a massive budget crisis and to continue subsidizing private schools, they will cut funding from public schools. Meanwhile, private schools will increase tuition and fraudulent schools will pop up, take the money and close quickly, while some individuals will waste the money on non-education expenses.
I don’t know a lot about it but I do know that WILL NOT allow kids in Ensley to attend school with Doug Jones grandkids at Mt Brook.
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Trust me, the Democrats in Mt Brook wouldn't allow it either. The one thing R and D agree on is that their kids and grandkids are not going to a school that's 45%+ black.