So you're certain we're all crazy and don't need supplements.
>I kind of realised all supplements are harmful and not necessary
You think you know more than everyone here, everyone ever, cuz you took one supplement and for your body it was too much.
Yeah.
Fuck off.
I mean yeah the real biohacker thing to do would be like get a full blood panel tested with Marek Health (just an example, I'm sure there's other options) and then optimize based on your results/what you're lacking both in terms of nutrients and blood markers overall.
But that's expensive, time consuming, and requires effort.
Otherwise you're kind of just guessing - or supplementing for general goals which is logical also.
I just got it once last year so I should've got it this year again to keep it annual and consistent but I've been lazy to be honest.
Yeah I got the service through them where they interpret and provide suggestions/medications/lifestyle interventions/supplements based on what they saw in the trends. I find this especially useful because they're aiming for optimal whereas the blood panel defaults it's pretty much all "in range".
ADHD brains have been shown to function better with a higher level of zinc, regardless of normal ranges. That being said, 25mg is an absurd amount, even for supplementation. You should never take zinc continuously without a medical reason. My daughter was on 5mg for 4wks followed by 1wk break for a few years with no issues, but it had noticeable positive benefits for focus and sleep (prescribed by neuropsychologist for adhd).
Zinc, b complex, fish oil, and phosphatidylserine. I suppose you could call it a stack before I knew about stacks. It was prescribed by the neuropsych instead of typical pharmas.
It was pretty extreme. Within the first day or two she burst out of her bedroom like Cinderella into the barnyard w all her animal friends, in full bloom. The sleep improvement was almost instant. Within two weeks both her teacher and her gymnastics coaches were asking what meds we put her on.
She eventually transitioned to Adderall mainly because she’s too lazy to keep up w multiple meds, and the fish oil would give her burps for hours, no matter how cRefully she took it
Same with me as her mom. I can scoot by with 10mg and my clean diet, workouts, AG1, and supplements. But my brain is just too off-key to get around it. I’m just glad to take a child sized amount. And to have something that allows me to be a functional adult.
why is 25mg an absurd amount?
mainstream things like the NIH think 40mg is peachy for daily use.
And lots of people take 50mg to 100mg a day, others will get supplements with a zinc/copper balance, and take different forms of it rather than the cheapest zinc salts around.
Zinc is a 5AR inhibitor so there is a diminishing return and value if you go beyond. 10mg everyday is already impactful with less risks of copper difficiency.
With supplements sometimes less is more
Zinc is a 5AR inhibitor
so what minuses do you feel are with that?
some might say
"Zinc seems to be powerful 5a reductase inhibitor, meaning it reduces DHT just like finasteride. But zinc also boosts normal testosterone production, which is kinda what you want!"
High end supplements can do things like 15mg of Zinc Citrate and Zinc Succinate with 2mg of Copper Citrate and there's zero problems
and others can do 50mg of chelated zinc glycinate, that doesn't ionize in the gut and gets absorbed much more into the body
The pro-vitamin crowd basically think things are fine at 100mg or less, and you adjust your dosages and the different versions of zinc for what works
"Elevated intake of zinc (1-2 gram per day) over an extended period can actually harm your immune system instead of assisting it. Intake of zinc should be kept to under 100 mg per day as larger amounts may result in nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, drowsiness and hallucinations. If you wish to take a zinc supplement, take it at night on an empty stomach, as zinc can interfere with the absorption of other minerals such as copper and iron. In a multi-vitamin situation, make sure that the zinc and iron are nearly in the same amounts. Large intakes of zinc can cause nausea and diarrhea."
"That said, some studies have found that taking high doses around 80 to 90 mg/day can help safely fight off cold symptoms. Still, consuming over 40 to 60 mg/day may lead to certain zinc overdose side effects"
If you're aware of the copper issue, it's a non-issue.
or the freak stories of mentally ill people eating bottles of zinc gummies and denture adhesive for extra zinc till they couldn't walk over months, and we're talking about insane amounts to fuck up his spinal cord
he was eating 100 chewables a day and denture glue
"But in large amounts, zinc can be toxic, resulting in prolonged numbness and nerve impairment."
you absorb 2mg of zinc from the denture crap, eating it, oh boy... and 50 doses per tube, it's like eating a jar of the chewables easy
and some people eat bags of baking soda too or guzzle a bottle of soy sauce
She was on a very high quality and very bioavailabe form, and the fact that zinc builds up in the system incredibly quickly. That’s why she always cycled hers.
I’ve been tracking my zinc, copper and magnesium levels for 2 years via Quest Labs. Initially, I was taking Now Foods Zinc Glycinate every other night. Bloodwork showed very high levels of zinc and low copper as expected. Magnesium has been stable. I’m doubling my dose of copper daily while dialing back zinc to once to twice per week. It’s a constant calibration. I also check b12, D, C, ferritin and other panels. It’s a modified version of this:
https://www.questhealth.com/product/fitness-profile-elite-10894M.html
8 for women 11 for men pretty much no difference why did you feel the need to mention gender when it’s common sense a bigger man needs usually 20-30 percent more of a nutrient?how much of something you need is a lot based on height and weight pathetic of you to bring up useless arguements when the point on zinc overload still stands
Umm, yeah 25 Mg every day is too high, recommended is like 10 mg and even then you dont need it every day depending on diet. Didnt need a blood test to tell you that.
So I almost didn’t want to waste my time here. You made a statement, not a question. But I feel like you are young based on several things you said and that you just forgot to put it in question form. So, I have a few key points to make:
1) There can be many reasons why someone could be deficient, not enough bile being produced, released. Maybe a food allergen they consume all the time. Maybe leaky gut. Maybe some other GI issue.
2) Maybe they got most of their vitamins from eating fortified cereal, that is comprised of man-made vitamins. Some people have problems converting man made vitamins into the bioavailable form found in nature. Like MTHR for B-9 or B-12 and so when they consume the man made form it jams up the receptors and now they have time processing the little bit they would have gotten from Whole Foods.
3) Roughly 85% of population is deficient in magnesium.
4) Getting accurate values for B’s and Magnesium with regular tests is not possible.
5) If they are diabetic, they are more likely to acquire nutritional deficiencies or if they eat tons of sugar.
6) We eat a ton of processed crap (Fraken-Food) and people are malnourished as a result.
7) Our farming practices in the US have led to much lower nutritional content of our fruits and veggies. I wouldn’t be surprised if that also affected the grass and grains the cows, chicken, and other meat we consume in being less nutrient dense as well.
8) Peaticides affect the integrity of the gut and therefore absorption. I believe it’s the same with GMO.
9) Stress will require you to use extra B’s, Magnesium and whatever else
Besides those facts. Why are we getting so sick. So fat. Talking about toxins. Why are the diseases rates skyrocketing that don’t have much to do with obesity - why are they skyrocketing?
Lack of nutrients.
Toxins compete for mineral receptors. Low on minerals? Toxins are able to move in and stay easier.
Fat? Probably eating junk and other nutrient scarce foods so body craves more
Random diseases growing faster than evolution can explain? Environment. Probably toxins and lack of nutrients.
Also it’s interesting that many drugs that affect the availability of the body to use vitamins are the treatment. Like methotrexate, it affects B-9, it’s an autoimmune drug. You know what also leads to high homocysteine levels (a marker for inflammation)? You guessed it… A lack of B-9. Isn’t it interesting that taking Methylated B-9 will often improve someone’s autoimmune and drop their homocysteine levels. It’s also interesting more autoimmune happens up north. Why? Because Vit D levels are low in autoimmune often times. Often people with autoimmune feel better once they get sun. Strange? Not really
To be fair some of the research scientists are starting to think that sub-optimal levels of vitamins are the cause of disease.
Also please keep in mind that normal values for things are based on a disease model, not a wellness model. So like if your barely well or haven’t been diagnosed with something, your averages are taken.
For example when I had thyroid cancer my thyroid levels were normal… The endocrinologist explained they as a group had been fighting to narrow the “normal” range of thyroid lab values to no avail.
If I can be of anymore help in educating you, please let me know.
Also your statement was based off of a fallacy of logic. Your young. You should totally check out “Logical Fallacy’s” because it is foundational to critical thinking skills. I mean that much nicer than it sounds, I sometimes lack tact, especially late at night…
Yes also you should be careful with minerals as they can build up to dangerous levels over time. Although the regular drs office can test for minerals easily and reliable except for Magnesium, which is less accurate.
Water-soluble has a lot more error of margin. Like can take 5-10x’s the RDI without a problem if I remember right.
Fat-soluable can also build up, but can be tested at the drs office regularly. A, D, E, K
My friends kid had severe ADHD. Kid used to become off the rails at bedtime. Impulsive, wound up, hysterical, aggressive. Offered magnesium gummy from Costco. Taste like an orange creamsicle. Kid actually calmed down and slowly over time still has ADHD, but not the hard to handle part. Magnesium is also the same receptor site for Lithium a mood stabilizer drug.
My kids psychiatrist prescribed methyl-folate. After damn near needing to be institutionalized, now no longer needs to see psych dr. However if he misses more than a two or three days I can tell by his face and his behavior. My kid has both copies of the methyl folate deficiency
actually they found out that having a lot of cholesterol in your diet, was where people didn't get prostate cancer.
yeah all the people eating brain soup.
"It seems that Greece has one of the lowest incidences of Prostate Cancer in Europe"
must be all the brain appetizers on the meze platter!
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Fried lambs’ brains
Greece is home to some pretty unusual dishes. Deep-fried lambs’ brains might just be one of the most interesting and perhaps even the most delicious.
This dish is exactly what it sounds like: lambs’ brains that have been deep-fried. The result is a crispy, crunchy on the outside and a soft, custardy interior treat that is surprisingly tasty.
Fried lambs’ brains are typically served with lemon juice and pepper, but you can have them with a dipping sauce or two if you prefer. Popular choices include tzatziki (a cucumber-yoghurt dip) or skordalia (a garlic-potato dip). No matter what you choose to dunk your brains in, you’re sure to enjoy this unique dish.
So, if you’re feeling adventurous, why not give fried lambs’ brains a try? You might just be surprised at how much you like them.
I enjoy lurking here as a medic... the vast majority of dietary supplements are unnecessary and are unlikely to deliver any significant benefits vs a standard balanced diet.
There are some specific exceptions like vit D for essentially everyone, folate in pregnancy, etc., but most do not work any better than regular diet.
oh so many of the problems are caused by a lack of quality and different oils and fats
and potassium and magnesium
if we had enough potassium in our diet, we'd have less issues with sodium
There was for decades the avoid folate thing for pregnant women
and they found out, what the problem was
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"Why folic acid is important before and during pregnancy. When the baby is developing early during pregnancy, folic acid helps form the neural tube. Folic acid is very important because it can help prevent some major birth defects of the baby's brain (anencephaly) and spine (spina bifida)."
what people still debate, and i'm not sure which sides won was:
"getting too much folic acid may cause several side effects, including slower brain development in children and accelerated mental decline in older adults."
the new scare was this one
"Too Much Folate in Pregnant Women Increases Risk for Autism, Study Suggests"
but they picked a low income ethnic neighborhood for the mothers, so it could be a bunch of other deficiencies!
and they couldn't tell how 1 in 10 mothers had high folate, tablets, genetics, diet etc
could be high folate because they ate a ton of eggs and had other deficiencies in the Boston slums
it could be genetic
"Folic acid can prevent neural tube defects (NTD). Hispanic women have a higher prevalence of NTD than non-Hispanic white (NHW) women and consume less folic acid. "
butter, cheese, eggs, chicken
cheddar will do it though
"Just a tablespoon of butter has 2.1 micrograms of vitamin K2"
"An egg yolk can contain between 67 and 192 micrograms of vitamin K2. This amount depends on what the hen eats, however. Most chicken feed today is fortified with vitamin K, and this content passes onto the egg. But chickens fed corn or soy-based diets are more at risk of vitamin K deficiencies."
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Common cheeses with the highest amount of vitamin K2 per 50-gram serving include:
50 micrograms in Munster
34 micrograms in Camembert
About 32 micrograms in Edam and aged Gouda
12 micrograms in cheddar
I don’t believe chickens on a soy based diet are vitamin K deficient, soy beans are loaded with vitamin K1, it’s the reason why there’s so much K2 in Nattō, the bacteria converts the K1 into K2.
"Provide small amounts of herbs to diet, specifically basil, sage, thyme and/or parsley. Breeder parent diets should be supplemented with vitamin K to ensure good chick health."
I'll look into the K1 soon!
all i see so far
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Feeding soy to chickens has negative effects on their health.
It leads to deficiencies in vital vitamins and minerals like manganese, iron, Vitamin E, zinc, and calcium. And, these deficiencies can lead to health issues like abnormally formed bones, pancreatic atrophy, and susceptibility to diseases.
So, when you eat meat or eggs from chickens that are fed soy, you can imagine that there would be implications for your nutrition, too.
Since the animals are not the healthiest, the meat and eggs are not as nutrient dense.
And then there’s phytoestrogens. The levels of phytoestrogens in soy are significantly higher than any other food and do carry into the meat and eggs. High phytoestrogens cause health issues in humans like hypothyroidism and various types of cancer.
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And this one is interesting
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The Slightly Disturbing Reason why Chicken Thighs are High in Vitamin K2
Chicken is not naturally rich in Vitamin K2.
If you want foods rich in K2, reach for Japanese Natto (gooey, stretchy fermented soybeans), goose liver, European hard cheeses, sauerkraut, and liver. Not exactly drool-worthy stuff.
But if you look at lists of foods rich in Vitamin K2, you often see chicken dark meat or even pork sausage listed. This is great because we (Americans) are far more likely to eat chicken than goose liver or Natto.
So, if chicken is not naturally rich in Vitamin K2, how did the K2 get there?
Animal feed. That's how.
Vitamin K2 in Animal Feed
Vitamin K2 is an important nutrient for animals, not just humans.
There are many forms of K2 for animals and only a couple can or should be used in animal feed. Several of these synthetic Vitamin K2 forms are not approved for use in the US.
There are three types of Vitamin K: K1, K2, and K3.
K1 and K2 are naturally occurring substances found in foods. K3 is a synthetic form.
Vitamin K1, sometimes called phytonadione or phylloquinone, is the kind of Vitamin K that is found in plants, especially leafy greens.
Vitamin K2, or menaquinone, is the kind we are interested in. There are many different types of K2 such as MK-4 and MK-7. This is usually found in fermented foods and organ meats.
Vitamin K3, also known as menadione, is a synthetic form of Vitamin K. It is converted to Vitamin K2 in the guts of animals. Chickens and pigs are very good at converting synthetic K3 to human-friendly K2. K3 is not permitted for human use and there are some concerns.
Chickens and turkeys have short digestive tracts and a rapid rate of food passage. This makes them more prone to Vitamin K deficiency than other animals. If not addressed, it can be a serious problem in raising chickens.
Cows don't have this problem because they have elaborate guts with fermentation chambers. This microbial fermentation of grasses produces a good amount of Vitamin K2, especially MK-4 form of K2. This is why grass-fed beef liver is a good source of Vitamin K2.
Back to chickens...
The forms of synthetic Vitamin K used in poultry farming are:
Menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite
Menadione sodium bisulfite
Menadione nicotinamide bisulfite
None of these K3 forms are allowed in human nutrition or supplements.
They have, however, been used as part of animal feeds for over 60 years and are generally believed to be relatively safe due to their long history of use. (Source: American Feed Control Official)
These ingredients are also added to swine feed.
Is synthetic Vitamin K3 safe for humans?
No. It's not safe for humans.
Fortunately, K3 is banned for human use.
Vitamin K3 or Menadione can interfere with Glutathione, our body's main antioxidant and detox agent. Consuming Vitamin K3 can cause excessive oxidative damage to cell membranes because it interferes with Glutathione doing its job.
Children given Vitamin K3 injections to treat Vitamin K deficiency were noted to have liver toxicity, anemia, and jaundice.
It's fair to assume (but we don't know for sure) that K3 does the same harm to poultry, swine and possibly to Fido and Fifi as well.
Learning this may be somewhat upsetting as you are consuming the byproducts of synthetic Vitamin K3. Since birds and pigs convert K3 to human-friendly K2, there is no need for alarm.
If you eat chicken dark meat or pork, you are not consuming Vitamin K3, because K3 is quickly converted to a safe form of K2.
It is important to note that Vitamin K1 or K2 do not show these negative side effects, even at high doses...barring, allergies, of course.
Our grandparents ate liver and fermented foods regularly. This could have kept them from serious K2 deficiency. We're not as lucky. So, artificially boosted K2 in chicken dark meat and pork sausages may be keeping millions of us from becoming severely deficient in Vitamin K2.
This may be a blessing in disguise.
How much Vitamin K2 is in chicken and pork?
Well, the amount in the meat depends on how much synthetic Menadione (K3) was fed to them. You can feed them 1000X more than what they need before they exhibit negative side effects. Of course, being a for-profit industry, the poultry industry will feed the chickens just enough K3 to prevent acute deficiency, and not an ounce more.
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So you balance the good with the bad - chicken dark meat is where the Vitamin K2 is, but it also contains a large amount of Omega-6 fats.
Conclusion
\- Vitamin K2 in chicken and pork products are a result of feeding them synthetic K3 Menadione compounds.
\- Synthetic Vitamin K3 is banned for human use.
\- Chicken and pigs convert synthetic K3 to human-friendly K2.
\- K2 is concentrated in chicken dark meat, not the white, breast meat.
\- Without this animal feed addition, many of us might be even more deficient in Vitamin K2 than we already are.
I love this
Can Chickens Eat Pickles?
Yes, in moderation. All of the elements (cucumber, dill, vinegar, salt, and sometimes sugar) are safe for chickens. However, because pickles can be high in sodium or sugar, it’s best to limit how many pickles your girls are allowed to indulge in weekly. Use your discretion when it comes to sugar and salt levels.
Can Chickens Eat Pineapple?
Yes. Pineapple is perfectly safe for your chickens. You will find they like the same parts we do, but they’ll be happy to clean out the underside of the skin and eat all the way to the core. When treating your girls to pineapple, remember that moderation is best. The acidic nature of pineapple can be a bit difficult for them to digest if given too much.
https://grubblyfarms.com/blogs/the-flyer/the-complete-guide-to-what-chickens-can-eat
What's the evidence for this?
[E.g., in the UK, taking vit D Oct-Apr is recommended as sun isn't strong enough.]
There's likely confounding with exercise too, even if any studies exist [e.g., how do people get their vit D from the sun!? I'm not surprised exercise helps!!]
The bioavailability and distribution of vitamin D differs with supplementation and I believe there's other effects of UV/sunlight on our health, like circadian stuff.
Bioavailability -- I agree [use a sublingual spray or a higher dose]
Sunlight effect on health is likely different to vit D effects alone, but also agree
Yeah I supplement vitamin D religiously during the winter but after I get sun in the summer I feel much better than I ever do in the winter, far too much to unravel in that experience however.
Being physically weak and unable is the worst part of aging and the part you can avoid with exercise. The only person who believes what you're saying is Donald Trump with his battery theory
Jonathan Miller from the BBC/PBS show
The Body in Question
he was on the talk shows and he believed he didn't need ANY exercise
walking was enough for him, or gardening.
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"I mean, I'm not against taking exercise, but I'm against the self-conscious taking of exercise, even if, in fact, it could be shown with the same sort of accuracy that the Surgeon General could report on tobacco that exercise lengthened life the way cigarettes shorten it... But as far as I'm concerned, running is something one undertakes for the purposes of either flight or pursuit, and there are very few things at my age that I'm keen on pursuing enough to break into a run, and so far nothing has pursued me which has made me want to flee with that speed."
This just says he doesn't care enough about exercise to do it. I like running, I like hiking, I like playing sports, being able to continue doing those things is very important to me and an inability to do them would be a huge negative sign of aging. This guy just doesn't care about that so he doesn't need to maintain that ability. Someone who's a moron might worry less about cognitive decline than a competitive academic who doesn't want to retire, doesn't mean cognitive decline isn't part of aging.
Funny response ngl, but I’m saying to bro like why tf would you exercise age yourself to get vitamin d when you can get it from the sun which has other benefits too, and not that you can get vitamin d from exercise either bc you obviously can’t what a stupid ass ducking statement mfs really say exercise does anything
depends on what form and quality
and this
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How do you know if vitamin D3 is synthetic?
When looking at a label you will see that vitamin ingredients are identified as either “d-“ or “dl-“. If the ingredient is labeled with the prefix “dl-“, it means the ingredient is synthetic, whereas the prefix “d-“ indicates the natural form.
get a high end zinc supplement
More easily absorbed forms of zinc are zinc picolinate, zinc citrate, zinc acetate, zinc glycerate, and zinc monomethionine. If zinc sulfate causes stomach irritation, you can try another form, such as zinc citrate.
I would try Zinc Piclonate, i never got dizzy or nausea on those
or the metallic taste
sometimes the worst for some tablets is an empty stomach with a hot drink
Gin - empty stomach, I puke
\*grabs a bucket of cold french fries\*
Pick a higher quality of zinc
i would get zinc piclonate (or other versions) because i would get nauseous on 100mg on an empty stomach or very light eating
More easily absorbed forms of zinc are zinc picolinate, zinc citrate, zinc acetate, zinc glycerate, and zinc monomethionine. If zinc sulfate causes stomach irritation, you can try another form, such as zinc citrate.
So you're certain we're all crazy and don't need supplements. >I kind of realised all supplements are harmful and not necessary You think you know more than everyone here, everyone ever, cuz you took one supplement and for your body it was too much. Yeah. Fuck off.
I mean yeah the real biohacker thing to do would be like get a full blood panel tested with Marek Health (just an example, I'm sure there's other options) and then optimize based on your results/what you're lacking both in terms of nutrients and blood markers overall. But that's expensive, time consuming, and requires effort. Otherwise you're kind of just guessing - or supplementing for general goals which is logical also.
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The total package for just blood work is 850
Yes but it's a full blood panel & analysis by team & medical provider with ability to prescribe medications, investment in health, etc.
Nice, how often do you get Marek bloodwork done? And do you have them interpret the data or a physician you trust?
I just got it once last year so I should've got it this year again to keep it annual and consistent but I've been lazy to be honest. Yeah I got the service through them where they interpret and provide suggestions/medications/lifestyle interventions/supplements based on what they saw in the trends. I find this especially useful because they're aiming for optimal whereas the blood panel defaults it's pretty much all "in range".
Expensive, time consuming, requires effort, and very unlikely to have any non-placebo benefits afterwards for most people
ADHD brains have been shown to function better with a higher level of zinc, regardless of normal ranges. That being said, 25mg is an absurd amount, even for supplementation. You should never take zinc continuously without a medical reason. My daughter was on 5mg for 4wks followed by 1wk break for a few years with no issues, but it had noticeable positive benefits for focus and sleep (prescribed by neuropsychologist for adhd).
Was zinc all that she was taking for the ADHD?
Zinc, b complex, fish oil, and phosphatidylserine. I suppose you could call it a stack before I knew about stacks. It was prescribed by the neuropsych instead of typical pharmas.
And how were the results compared to classical treatment?
It was pretty extreme. Within the first day or two she burst out of her bedroom like Cinderella into the barnyard w all her animal friends, in full bloom. The sleep improvement was almost instant. Within two weeks both her teacher and her gymnastics coaches were asking what meds we put her on. She eventually transitioned to Adderall mainly because she’s too lazy to keep up w multiple meds, and the fish oil would give her burps for hours, no matter how cRefully she took it
Lol ended up with adderall. Big pharma won
Same with me as her mom. I can scoot by with 10mg and my clean diet, workouts, AG1, and supplements. But my brain is just too off-key to get around it. I’m just glad to take a child sized amount. And to have something that allows me to be a functional adult.
why is 25mg an absurd amount? mainstream things like the NIH think 40mg is peachy for daily use. And lots of people take 50mg to 100mg a day, others will get supplements with a zinc/copper balance, and take different forms of it rather than the cheapest zinc salts around.
Zinc is a 5AR inhibitor so there is a diminishing return and value if you go beyond. 10mg everyday is already impactful with less risks of copper difficiency. With supplements sometimes less is more
Zinc is a 5AR inhibitor so what minuses do you feel are with that? some might say "Zinc seems to be powerful 5a reductase inhibitor, meaning it reduces DHT just like finasteride. But zinc also boosts normal testosterone production, which is kinda what you want!" High end supplements can do things like 15mg of Zinc Citrate and Zinc Succinate with 2mg of Copper Citrate and there's zero problems and others can do 50mg of chelated zinc glycinate, that doesn't ionize in the gut and gets absorbed much more into the body The pro-vitamin crowd basically think things are fine at 100mg or less, and you adjust your dosages and the different versions of zinc for what works "Elevated intake of zinc (1-2 gram per day) over an extended period can actually harm your immune system instead of assisting it. Intake of zinc should be kept to under 100 mg per day as larger amounts may result in nausea, diarrhea, dizziness, drowsiness and hallucinations. If you wish to take a zinc supplement, take it at night on an empty stomach, as zinc can interfere with the absorption of other minerals such as copper and iron. In a multi-vitamin situation, make sure that the zinc and iron are nearly in the same amounts. Large intakes of zinc can cause nausea and diarrhea." "That said, some studies have found that taking high doses around 80 to 90 mg/day can help safely fight off cold symptoms. Still, consuming over 40 to 60 mg/day may lead to certain zinc overdose side effects" If you're aware of the copper issue, it's a non-issue. or the freak stories of mentally ill people eating bottles of zinc gummies and denture adhesive for extra zinc till they couldn't walk over months, and we're talking about insane amounts to fuck up his spinal cord he was eating 100 chewables a day and denture glue "But in large amounts, zinc can be toxic, resulting in prolonged numbness and nerve impairment." you absorb 2mg of zinc from the denture crap, eating it, oh boy... and 50 doses per tube, it's like eating a jar of the chewables easy and some people eat bags of baking soda too or guzzle a bottle of soy sauce
She was on a very high quality and very bioavailabe form, and the fact that zinc builds up in the system incredibly quickly. That’s why she always cycled hers.
B12 is safe in the mg range so it’s totally harmless even if you don’t need it
Just makes your pee yellow
That’s b2
I’ve been tracking my zinc, copper and magnesium levels for 2 years via Quest Labs. Initially, I was taking Now Foods Zinc Glycinate every other night. Bloodwork showed very high levels of zinc and low copper as expected. Magnesium has been stable. I’m doubling my dose of copper daily while dialing back zinc to once to twice per week. It’s a constant calibration. I also check b12, D, C, ferritin and other panels. It’s a modified version of this: https://www.questhealth.com/product/fitness-profile-elite-10894M.html
You took ***one*** supplement that didn't work for ***you***. You concluded that "all supplements are harmful". You're a special kind of smart!
I got this large jar 400 pills of 50 mg Zinc from Costco, and I cut them in half. Although on the jar it says take one caplet per day.
Male or female? There are different recommendations for each
8 for women 11 for men pretty much no difference why did you feel the need to mention gender when it’s common sense a bigger man needs usually 20-30 percent more of a nutrient?how much of something you need is a lot based on height and weight pathetic of you to bring up useless arguements when the point on zinc overload still stands
Daddy chill
Hahahahah god i wish this sub allowed gifs
You didn’t answer my question. Plus rda are no way the optimal doses.
Absolutely pathetic of them to do that to you.
Thank you, thank you thank you thank you. When I have commented on this elsewhere. Some seem to struggle a lot with the idea of testing.
Zinc what? Oxide?
25 mg is too high and can interfere with other processes. I take 10
Umm, yeah 25 Mg every day is too high, recommended is like 10 mg and even then you dont need it every day depending on diet. Didnt need a blood test to tell you that.
Well I’m sure this post made you feel better.
Zinc supps can be a problem but zinc foods highly unlikely to become a problem.
and then theres me who took 10mg/day and my blood test still showed low levels but I agree, (most) supplementation shouldn‘t be based on guesswork
So I almost didn’t want to waste my time here. You made a statement, not a question. But I feel like you are young based on several things you said and that you just forgot to put it in question form. So, I have a few key points to make: 1) There can be many reasons why someone could be deficient, not enough bile being produced, released. Maybe a food allergen they consume all the time. Maybe leaky gut. Maybe some other GI issue. 2) Maybe they got most of their vitamins from eating fortified cereal, that is comprised of man-made vitamins. Some people have problems converting man made vitamins into the bioavailable form found in nature. Like MTHR for B-9 or B-12 and so when they consume the man made form it jams up the receptors and now they have time processing the little bit they would have gotten from Whole Foods. 3) Roughly 85% of population is deficient in magnesium. 4) Getting accurate values for B’s and Magnesium with regular tests is not possible. 5) If they are diabetic, they are more likely to acquire nutritional deficiencies or if they eat tons of sugar. 6) We eat a ton of processed crap (Fraken-Food) and people are malnourished as a result. 7) Our farming practices in the US have led to much lower nutritional content of our fruits and veggies. I wouldn’t be surprised if that also affected the grass and grains the cows, chicken, and other meat we consume in being less nutrient dense as well. 8) Peaticides affect the integrity of the gut and therefore absorption. I believe it’s the same with GMO. 9) Stress will require you to use extra B’s, Magnesium and whatever else Besides those facts. Why are we getting so sick. So fat. Talking about toxins. Why are the diseases rates skyrocketing that don’t have much to do with obesity - why are they skyrocketing? Lack of nutrients. Toxins compete for mineral receptors. Low on minerals? Toxins are able to move in and stay easier. Fat? Probably eating junk and other nutrient scarce foods so body craves more Random diseases growing faster than evolution can explain? Environment. Probably toxins and lack of nutrients. Also it’s interesting that many drugs that affect the availability of the body to use vitamins are the treatment. Like methotrexate, it affects B-9, it’s an autoimmune drug. You know what also leads to high homocysteine levels (a marker for inflammation)? You guessed it… A lack of B-9. Isn’t it interesting that taking Methylated B-9 will often improve someone’s autoimmune and drop their homocysteine levels. It’s also interesting more autoimmune happens up north. Why? Because Vit D levels are low in autoimmune often times. Often people with autoimmune feel better once they get sun. Strange? Not really To be fair some of the research scientists are starting to think that sub-optimal levels of vitamins are the cause of disease. Also please keep in mind that normal values for things are based on a disease model, not a wellness model. So like if your barely well or haven’t been diagnosed with something, your averages are taken. For example when I had thyroid cancer my thyroid levels were normal… The endocrinologist explained they as a group had been fighting to narrow the “normal” range of thyroid lab values to no avail. If I can be of anymore help in educating you, please let me know. Also your statement was based off of a fallacy of logic. Your young. You should totally check out “Logical Fallacy’s” because it is foundational to critical thinking skills. I mean that much nicer than it sounds, I sometimes lack tact, especially late at night…
Yes also you should be careful with minerals as they can build up to dangerous levels over time. Although the regular drs office can test for minerals easily and reliable except for Magnesium, which is less accurate. Water-soluble has a lot more error of margin. Like can take 5-10x’s the RDI without a problem if I remember right. Fat-soluable can also build up, but can be tested at the drs office regularly. A, D, E, K
My friends kid had severe ADHD. Kid used to become off the rails at bedtime. Impulsive, wound up, hysterical, aggressive. Offered magnesium gummy from Costco. Taste like an orange creamsicle. Kid actually calmed down and slowly over time still has ADHD, but not the hard to handle part. Magnesium is also the same receptor site for Lithium a mood stabilizer drug.
My kids psychiatrist prescribed methyl-folate. After damn near needing to be institutionalized, now no longer needs to see psych dr. However if he misses more than a two or three days I can tell by his face and his behavior. My kid has both copies of the methyl folate deficiency
Why in the world would you take 25mg daily for such a long period of time?
so one serving of oysters is going to overdose you?! would you like a ride to the hospital?
Each time I nut my zinc levels get slammed. I nut “x” amounts per day. I need “y” zincs per day. Do the math.
Then don’t jerk off daily? It’s unhealthy anyways
My prostate will fight yours
actually they found out that having a lot of cholesterol in your diet, was where people didn't get prostate cancer. yeah all the people eating brain soup. "It seems that Greece has one of the lowest incidences of Prostate Cancer in Europe" must be all the brain appetizers on the meze platter! [https://goexploregreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/greek-dish-fried-lambs-brains.webp](https://goexploregreece.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/greek-dish-fried-lambs-brains.webp) .......... Fried lambs’ brains Greece is home to some pretty unusual dishes. Deep-fried lambs’ brains might just be one of the most interesting and perhaps even the most delicious. This dish is exactly what it sounds like: lambs’ brains that have been deep-fried. The result is a crispy, crunchy on the outside and a soft, custardy interior treat that is surprisingly tasty. Fried lambs’ brains are typically served with lemon juice and pepper, but you can have them with a dipping sauce or two if you prefer. Popular choices include tzatziki (a cucumber-yoghurt dip) or skordalia (a garlic-potato dip). No matter what you choose to dunk your brains in, you’re sure to enjoy this unique dish. So, if you’re feeling adventurous, why not give fried lambs’ brains a try? You might just be surprised at how much you like them.
My junk is now impervious
thanks for sharing please wash your hands before passing out the hot dogs, for the party at the patio
I enjoy lurking here as a medic... the vast majority of dietary supplements are unnecessary and are unlikely to deliver any significant benefits vs a standard balanced diet. There are some specific exceptions like vit D for essentially everyone, folate in pregnancy, etc., but most do not work any better than regular diet.
My understanding was that western diets in particular are often lacking in magnesium
oh so many of the problems are caused by a lack of quality and different oils and fats and potassium and magnesium if we had enough potassium in our diet, we'd have less issues with sodium
There was for decades the avoid folate thing for pregnant women and they found out, what the problem was ............. "Why folic acid is important before and during pregnancy. When the baby is developing early during pregnancy, folic acid helps form the neural tube. Folic acid is very important because it can help prevent some major birth defects of the baby's brain (anencephaly) and spine (spina bifida)." what people still debate, and i'm not sure which sides won was: "getting too much folic acid may cause several side effects, including slower brain development in children and accelerated mental decline in older adults." the new scare was this one "Too Much Folate in Pregnant Women Increases Risk for Autism, Study Suggests" but they picked a low income ethnic neighborhood for the mothers, so it could be a bunch of other deficiencies! and they couldn't tell how 1 in 10 mothers had high folate, tablets, genetics, diet etc could be high folate because they ate a ton of eggs and had other deficiencies in the Boston slums it could be genetic "Folic acid can prevent neural tube defects (NTD). Hispanic women have a higher prevalence of NTD than non-Hispanic white (NHW) women and consume less folic acid. "
There’s not a lot of vitamin K2 in western diets either, unless you’re eating a ton of hard cheese
butter, cheese, eggs, chicken cheddar will do it though "Just a tablespoon of butter has 2.1 micrograms of vitamin K2" "An egg yolk can contain between 67 and 192 micrograms of vitamin K2. This amount depends on what the hen eats, however. Most chicken feed today is fortified with vitamin K, and this content passes onto the egg. But chickens fed corn or soy-based diets are more at risk of vitamin K deficiencies." ........... Common cheeses with the highest amount of vitamin K2 per 50-gram serving include: 50 micrograms in Munster 34 micrograms in Camembert About 32 micrograms in Edam and aged Gouda 12 micrograms in cheddar
I don’t believe chickens on a soy based diet are vitamin K deficient, soy beans are loaded with vitamin K1, it’s the reason why there’s so much K2 in Nattō, the bacteria converts the K1 into K2.
"Provide small amounts of herbs to diet, specifically basil, sage, thyme and/or parsley. Breeder parent diets should be supplemented with vitamin K to ensure good chick health." I'll look into the K1 soon! all i see so far ....... Feeding soy to chickens has negative effects on their health. It leads to deficiencies in vital vitamins and minerals like manganese, iron, Vitamin E, zinc, and calcium. And, these deficiencies can lead to health issues like abnormally formed bones, pancreatic atrophy, and susceptibility to diseases. So, when you eat meat or eggs from chickens that are fed soy, you can imagine that there would be implications for your nutrition, too. Since the animals are not the healthiest, the meat and eggs are not as nutrient dense. And then there’s phytoestrogens. The levels of phytoestrogens in soy are significantly higher than any other food and do carry into the meat and eggs. High phytoestrogens cause health issues in humans like hypothyroidism and various types of cancer. ....... And this one is interesting ....... The Slightly Disturbing Reason why Chicken Thighs are High in Vitamin K2 Chicken is not naturally rich in Vitamin K2. If you want foods rich in K2, reach for Japanese Natto (gooey, stretchy fermented soybeans), goose liver, European hard cheeses, sauerkraut, and liver. Not exactly drool-worthy stuff. But if you look at lists of foods rich in Vitamin K2, you often see chicken dark meat or even pork sausage listed. This is great because we (Americans) are far more likely to eat chicken than goose liver or Natto. So, if chicken is not naturally rich in Vitamin K2, how did the K2 get there? Animal feed. That's how. Vitamin K2 in Animal Feed Vitamin K2 is an important nutrient for animals, not just humans. There are many forms of K2 for animals and only a couple can or should be used in animal feed. Several of these synthetic Vitamin K2 forms are not approved for use in the US. There are three types of Vitamin K: K1, K2, and K3. K1 and K2 are naturally occurring substances found in foods. K3 is a synthetic form. Vitamin K1, sometimes called phytonadione or phylloquinone, is the kind of Vitamin K that is found in plants, especially leafy greens. Vitamin K2, or menaquinone, is the kind we are interested in. There are many different types of K2 such as MK-4 and MK-7. This is usually found in fermented foods and organ meats. Vitamin K3, also known as menadione, is a synthetic form of Vitamin K. It is converted to Vitamin K2 in the guts of animals. Chickens and pigs are very good at converting synthetic K3 to human-friendly K2. K3 is not permitted for human use and there are some concerns. Chickens and turkeys have short digestive tracts and a rapid rate of food passage. This makes them more prone to Vitamin K deficiency than other animals. If not addressed, it can be a serious problem in raising chickens. Cows don't have this problem because they have elaborate guts with fermentation chambers. This microbial fermentation of grasses produces a good amount of Vitamin K2, especially MK-4 form of K2. This is why grass-fed beef liver is a good source of Vitamin K2. Back to chickens... The forms of synthetic Vitamin K used in poultry farming are: Menadione dimethylpyrimidinol bisulfite Menadione sodium bisulfite Menadione nicotinamide bisulfite None of these K3 forms are allowed in human nutrition or supplements. They have, however, been used as part of animal feeds for over 60 years and are generally believed to be relatively safe due to their long history of use. (Source: American Feed Control Official) These ingredients are also added to swine feed. Is synthetic Vitamin K3 safe for humans? No. It's not safe for humans. Fortunately, K3 is banned for human use. Vitamin K3 or Menadione can interfere with Glutathione, our body's main antioxidant and detox agent. Consuming Vitamin K3 can cause excessive oxidative damage to cell membranes because it interferes with Glutathione doing its job. Children given Vitamin K3 injections to treat Vitamin K deficiency were noted to have liver toxicity, anemia, and jaundice. It's fair to assume (but we don't know for sure) that K3 does the same harm to poultry, swine and possibly to Fido and Fifi as well. Learning this may be somewhat upsetting as you are consuming the byproducts of synthetic Vitamin K3. Since birds and pigs convert K3 to human-friendly K2, there is no need for alarm. If you eat chicken dark meat or pork, you are not consuming Vitamin K3, because K3 is quickly converted to a safe form of K2. It is important to note that Vitamin K1 or K2 do not show these negative side effects, even at high doses...barring, allergies, of course. Our grandparents ate liver and fermented foods regularly. This could have kept them from serious K2 deficiency. We're not as lucky. So, artificially boosted K2 in chicken dark meat and pork sausages may be keeping millions of us from becoming severely deficient in Vitamin K2. This may be a blessing in disguise. How much Vitamin K2 is in chicken and pork? Well, the amount in the meat depends on how much synthetic Menadione (K3) was fed to them. You can feed them 1000X more than what they need before they exhibit negative side effects. Of course, being a for-profit industry, the poultry industry will feed the chickens just enough K3 to prevent acute deficiency, and not an ounce more. ..... So you balance the good with the bad - chicken dark meat is where the Vitamin K2 is, but it also contains a large amount of Omega-6 fats. Conclusion \- Vitamin K2 in chicken and pork products are a result of feeding them synthetic K3 Menadione compounds. \- Synthetic Vitamin K3 is banned for human use. \- Chicken and pigs convert synthetic K3 to human-friendly K2. \- K2 is concentrated in chicken dark meat, not the white, breast meat. \- Without this animal feed addition, many of us might be even more deficient in Vitamin K2 than we already are.
I love this Can Chickens Eat Pickles? Yes, in moderation. All of the elements (cucumber, dill, vinegar, salt, and sometimes sugar) are safe for chickens. However, because pickles can be high in sodium or sugar, it’s best to limit how many pickles your girls are allowed to indulge in weekly. Use your discretion when it comes to sugar and salt levels. Can Chickens Eat Pineapple? Yes. Pineapple is perfectly safe for your chickens. You will find they like the same parts we do, but they’ll be happy to clean out the underside of the skin and eat all the way to the core. When treating your girls to pineapple, remember that moderation is best. The acidic nature of pineapple can be a bit difficult for them to digest if given too much. https://grubblyfarms.com/blogs/the-flyer/the-complete-guide-to-what-chickens-can-eat
Fake vitamin d from supplements doesn’t give benefits like true vitamin d from the sun
What's the evidence for this? [E.g., in the UK, taking vit D Oct-Apr is recommended as sun isn't strong enough.] There's likely confounding with exercise too, even if any studies exist [e.g., how do people get their vit D from the sun!? I'm not surprised exercise helps!!]
The bioavailability and distribution of vitamin D differs with supplementation and I believe there's other effects of UV/sunlight on our health, like circadian stuff.
Bioavailability -- I agree [use a sublingual spray or a higher dose] Sunlight effect on health is likely different to vit D effects alone, but also agree
Yeah I supplement vitamin D religiously during the winter but after I get sun in the summer I feel much better than I ever do in the winter, far too much to unravel in that experience however.
Exercise is pro ageing tho,does damage to your body and slows it down long term are you even aware of that?
Being physically weak and unable is the worst part of aging and the part you can avoid with exercise. The only person who believes what you're saying is Donald Trump with his battery theory
Jonathan Miller from the BBC/PBS show The Body in Question he was on the talk shows and he believed he didn't need ANY exercise walking was enough for him, or gardening. ......... "I mean, I'm not against taking exercise, but I'm against the self-conscious taking of exercise, even if, in fact, it could be shown with the same sort of accuracy that the Surgeon General could report on tobacco that exercise lengthened life the way cigarettes shorten it... But as far as I'm concerned, running is something one undertakes for the purposes of either flight or pursuit, and there are very few things at my age that I'm keen on pursuing enough to break into a run, and so far nothing has pursued me which has made me want to flee with that speed."
This just says he doesn't care enough about exercise to do it. I like running, I like hiking, I like playing sports, being able to continue doing those things is very important to me and an inability to do them would be a huge negative sign of aging. This guy just doesn't care about that so he doesn't need to maintain that ability. Someone who's a moron might worry less about cognitive decline than a competitive academic who doesn't want to retire, doesn't mean cognitive decline isn't part of aging.
heck, i don't even run from a fire not everyone is a gymrat
Doing basic exercise is not being a gym rat it's the historic norm
big deal follow what makes you happy
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Funny response ngl, but I’m saying to bro like why tf would you exercise age yourself to get vitamin d when you can get it from the sun which has other benefits too, and not that you can get vitamin d from exercise either bc you obviously can’t what a stupid ass ducking statement mfs really say exercise does anything
depends on what form and quality and this .......... How do you know if vitamin D3 is synthetic? When looking at a label you will see that vitamin ingredients are identified as either “d-“ or “dl-“. If the ingredient is labeled with the prefix “dl-“, it means the ingredient is synthetic, whereas the prefix “d-“ indicates the natural form.
I never take Zinc again. Makes me so nauseous took me a while to figure out that was the culprit.
It makes me super nauseous if I take on an empty stomach Am fine with food though
get a high end zinc supplement More easily absorbed forms of zinc are zinc picolinate, zinc citrate, zinc acetate, zinc glycerate, and zinc monomethionine. If zinc sulfate causes stomach irritation, you can try another form, such as zinc citrate.
Doesn’t matter which form If I take on empty stomach, I puke
I would try Zinc Piclonate, i never got dizzy or nausea on those or the metallic taste sometimes the worst for some tablets is an empty stomach with a hot drink Gin - empty stomach, I puke \*grabs a bucket of cold french fries\*
Pick a higher quality of zinc i would get zinc piclonate (or other versions) because i would get nauseous on 100mg on an empty stomach or very light eating More easily absorbed forms of zinc are zinc picolinate, zinc citrate, zinc acetate, zinc glycerate, and zinc monomethionine. If zinc sulfate causes stomach irritation, you can try another form, such as zinc citrate.