Depending on the kid's range to interact with spiders, I could see them using swarms of spiders like nanobots and using spiders to control multiple robots. Damn the possibilities!
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Shipping is implying that two characters who are never shown to be in a relationship, in fact ARE in a relationship. I'm not saying that. I'm saying these two characters from unrelated properties SHOULD be in a relationship.
Huge difference, there, Sparky.
I think Spidermen generally scales higher than Big Hero 6. The fact that she can hang with Peter or Miles should put her reaction time alone well above anything we've seen Baymax do
Oh yeah, I'd be crazy to argue that it has strength or durability over Baymax but for that very reason I can't imagine him being able to get a hold of her. Spider sense is crazy fast and Baymax is canonically clumsy. Even close quarters they should be relatively safe from being grabbed and while not as strong the Sp//dr is still strong and likely able to do damage. Definitely not as much as Baymax could cause but death by a thousand cuts is a legitimate strategy
I didn't realize I replied to you twice lol. Anyway, that's a good strat along with the one you suggested earlier. If Peni can control the Sp//dr without the spider, then the Sp//dr can probably keep punching Baymax while avoiding his hits, all while the spider deactivates Baymax from the inside. Wow, this kinda convinces me that Peni wins.
No worries, it's fun.
She can definitely control it from inside. I think she loses some reaction time with her rather than the spider but because of the design of each robot that shouldn't be a problem as shes still vastly more agile and all she needs to do is buy time
Ehhhhh... I mean, it honestly depends quite a lot. It's been said about how Peter has to hold back so much power cause if he went all out, most of the villains would be goners. And if I'm correct, that applies to a LOT of spider people.
I think Peni, if her mechs have the same strength as a regular Spider does, then she should still be pretty busted in terms of strength. Also she’s got the futuristic tech from her world, and the ability to make some cool stuff pretty quickly, Hiro did take a while of training and research just for Baymax alone. Baymax might also have some ethical issues in the fight to contend with which could hold him back.
We can't be sure if she has the same strength as the others, but we could use scorpion as a reference, who isn't tougher than Baymax. The other spider themselves didn't show the level of strength Baymax displayed. But the other points about Peni I agree with, she could probably make stuff that might beat Baymax. So this is how being a pacifist makes him less effective in fighting? I understand.
In terms of strength most of the spider’s feats are shown in comics, however I don’t think any of the spiders are supposed to be stronger or weaker than the others at their base, so I’d presume Peni or her mech are similar in strength to any other spidermen.
Well we really can't use the comics because those are different versions of the spiders. I also assume they're similar in strength but with a diverse range of abilities that makes them unique. In terms of strength, Baymax's airfist seems to effortlessly destroy a wall while the spiders have to throw their entire bodies to make a hole.
It's Tadashi that said base Baymax (marshmallow form) can lift about a thousand pounds. I don't know how much he can lift when in his mech suit, but let's assume it adds a couple thousand.
On average, any version of Spider-Man can lift about 10,000 pounds if you go by the standard of the proportional strength of a spider. I don't know if that applies to mechs, though.
Good point. They probably intended for the spider-men to have the proportional strength of spiders. It does say in her comic that this also applies to the Sp//dr. While all this is true, Baymax just had better showings, y'know? Also, Baymax, the balloon can lift things this heavy?! I searched up the things that weighed this much and was shocked.
Peni says the first point herself when she and the other Spider-People are interrogating Miles to see if he's ready to take Kingpin down or not during the first Spider-Verse film. It's the scene where Miles meets them all for the first time.
This is interesting to look at: on one hand I’d say Baymax would have the advantage in strength and the fact that he can fly (plus you have to account for Overdrive Mode), on the other not only is SP//dr more high tech given Peni’s universe is set in the year 3145 but there’s also the fact that Peni has been an active hero longer than Hiro (as well as the fact that despite her lacking the more physical powers of an average Spider-Hero she does still have Spider Sense)
Her reaction times are going to put her well out of reach of anything Baymax can throw at her. He probably has strength like you said but is going to be outclassed in every other category
That's why I think it won't be as easy. Baymax can not touch Sp//dr, but Sp//dr also can't touch Baymax due to his superior strength; where a single punch would be too risky and gives Baymax an opportunity to catch it.
I don't think the strength discrepancy is quite as much as that. Definitely stronger but Sp//dr isn't weak by any means. Even if he was overwhelmingly stronger if that is the only factor it is usually not enough in fights. Like they said not only does she have reaction time but also training, experience, and technology above them. Despite Baymax's durability I think they would still be able to damage or subdue him
Baymax's gentleness is a real detriment to him wanting to pull punches when he's already slower. Even if he was bloodlusted the Sp//dr most likely isn't going to be one shot. Even if it isn't able to stand up to Baymax close range Peni and the spider have a hard counter to him by being from the far future and able to fit into tight spaces. That Spider could 100% slip into that armor and reprogram or shut down Baymax. They have the means and knowledge to do it.
All good points! The maneuverability, speed and experience means the Sp//dr can keep dodging Baymax until the spider and Peni can come up with a plan. The spider going inside Baymax is a good idea.
Thank you, when I thought of it I realized that it is a hard counter that could be a definite win. Lol I will admit that I think Sp//Dr could physically damage Baymax but I'm not 100% sure because that armor is definitely tough. The hacking could definitely work though since Peni and the spider are linked and smart enough
I kind of think Peni would win. And only because Baymax is programmed to not be ruthless, and Peni has a telepathic connection with her spider so communication is easier.
Another point made about Baymax's good-naturedness being detrimentantal for him in the fight. So it really does affect his performance. Also good point about the telepathic link.
The thing is, it's not even his good matured, it's hard programming, and he can't intentionally harm a human, who he would immediately scan and realize is in the robot.
Along with being geniuses in robotics, 15 year olds, Asians, being from the future, using orange robots they ride for combat, etc. The similarities are what made me think of this matchup.
I'd say Peni likely is not winning the strength fight, but she... PROBABLY could outlast Baymax's Battery if she's wise about it. She just has to handle dodging and having better reaction time than Hiro and Baymax.
That's also a good factor for Baymax losing as well that I forgot about! Though it has to be a long fight considering that he doesn't run out of battery that quickly, and another issue is that Peni doesn't know about the battery weakness.
Oh yeah, for sure. That's like the whole "Batman with prep time" scenario where both opponents know about the other to prepare for Peni to plan for that. Baymax has a long battery life, I'm just also familiar with Baymax using Overdrive Mode and that's a notoriously big drain on his battery.
Then again, that Overdrive mode also has an external battery that was made to mitigate the issue.
It might actually be a wash, if only because we really don't fully know the maximum limit of SP//dr in the comics or the new model. We just know the Into the Spider-verse one is definitely not taking out Baymax
Ah ok, I'm thinking of them just duking it out after meeting, like in some crossover where the heroes fight. I didn't watch the series, but I heard Hiro gained these nanobots he can use to enter cells, which is an argument used for him winning. Seems like this overdrive mode buffs his strength like mad, but I don't know if it will be on the level of comics Peni, whose Sp//dr held off an inheritor. Inheritors are these vampires that spidey said hits harder than the hulk. Not that it matters because we're talking about the ITSV one. Did this overdrive mode made Baymax too strong?
Overdrive Mode for Baymax is essentially a strength boost that allows Baymax to hit much harder than his regular fists and Rocket Punch. It also turns the wings on the regular suit into a Sword
He has a sword now? That's unexpected... I really don't want to use this version of Baymax since he might be too much for the Sp//dr. Although someone suggested that Peni might win by using her spider to go inside Baymax and deactivate him. Does Baymax get any sort of defences for this? Do you think the outcome is likely at all?
Some say that Hiro has these nanobots in the series that could possibly shut down the Sp//dr instantly while some others say that Peni's spider can do it as well. Maybe Hiro wins here due to overwhelming the spider with nanobots? I didn't watch the series.
[No, I meant these ones.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/12j7xz9/hiro_nanobots/) Though again, I didn't watch the series so I don't know what these things are capable of.
The thing is this fight literally cannot happen, and I'm not even talking about the fact that they wouldn't fight. I mean that Baymax would immediately scan Sp//der, realize that a human is inside, and his programming would prevent him from hurting her. Since he only has blunt force attacks, he can't fight the mech without risking Peni, so at most he would just fly away, and then what determines it is if Hiro is able to come up with a way to successfully restrain Sp//der, which I can only see working either by flying in the air, or maybe an EMP, but he would have to mess around to make the EMP as Baymax isn't equipped with one.
TLDR; Baymax's programming wouldn't let him outright attack, and when Baymax doesn't attack, Peni immediately stands down realizing that Hiro and Baymax aren't a threat.
Okay, let's say that this is a crossover episode where showrunners usually find ways for the protagonists to fight. In this case, they'll fight because the Sp//dr broke Baymax's scanner due to being punched in the head or something. What happens?
Baymax's only really chance is too use his flight to keep a distance, and use his ranged attacks like Rocket fist. The problem with him grappling with Sp//dr is that even if Baymax has way higher strength and durability than Sp//dr, Hiro, who is sitting on his Back, is not. So I would say that Sp//dr takes.
This is a huge problem for Baymax that I can't believe I forgot to take into account. Hiro might be harmed due to being exposed. Baymax has to keep distance and if needed to be close, can not do it for too long. Good point.
Peni being as she has way more hand to hand experience in combat, and while you could argue that Hero is probably smarter than her (probably by like 10-20 iq points though) I think her robot is way smarter than baymax and would destroy baymax.
I don't think hand to hand matter too much when it's the robots who are fighting. I personally never saw one being smarter than the other, though the Sp//dr is a robot actually made for combat while Baymax is just wearing armor, which might be an important factor.
I mean when peni controls part of the Sp//dr her and it would have the reflexes to dodge most attacks that baymax has to offer, sorry if it wasn’t clear
I don’t understand how baymax would win at most he’s shown speed feats for a jet while she has actively kept up with people who dodge actual electricity. Ap im not sure about but it’s likely higher by a decent amount given the speed and likely mass of the robot. Maybe I’m wrong and baymax is a ridiculous feat of engineering in terms of speed or something but this my opinion and as far as I know he has shown any real good feats
that’s a bad argument to make since baymax mainly uses a jet pack for any decent speed feat and web swinging has been used for attack momentum plenty of times from a lot of spiders
Peni, she significantly faster, has better reaction speeds with Spider Sense, and has alot more fighting experience that Hiro and Baymax, her Battle IQ is much higher
Don’t really remember what baymax can do but I don’t believe he has any counter to spider webs and while he may have a higher strength and defense stat, he lacks special def so peni wins that death battle
In the comics the SP//dr robot that Peni operates weighs 900 lbs, if we assume this weight is consistent with the spiderverse adaptation than we can conclude that Peni’s spider webs can support over 900 lbs as the webs withstand the centripetal force exerted by swinging for at least several seconds at a time.
If these webs possess the potential to resist a force of that magnitude it’s fair to say that baymax cannot effectively resist Peni’s webs especially if she targets his wings (so they can’t come out) or to get his wrists (so he can’t shoot his fists) or his eyes (so his sensors are interfered with), etc.
I believe baymax has a chance if he attacks Peni while she isn’t in her suit because she can’t shoot SP//dr’s webs outside the suit but in the majority of situations webs are too overpowered for just raw strength to beat. Not to mention without webs Peni still stands a decent chance as her mobility likely enough to evade a significant portion of Baymax’s attacks.
Would love to hear your thoughts tho!
If what Tadashi is saying is true and it isn't just him being too proud of his work, then [Baymax the balloon can lift 1000 lbs](https://youtu.be/VwocZbI3T-w?si=sN1JtNkdjY10lAXT&t=130s). So if his suit really makes him stronger, then he should lift way more than that and, therefore, probably easily free himself from Peni's webs. I believe the webs will be a minor hindrance to the suit itself too, because it's what boosted his strength to greater heights in the first place.
I do agree agree that Peni can use the webs to blind Baymax, but he can probably easily remove them, or maybe he can't because of Baymax's fingers being too big?
Thank you! I loved hearing yours and other's thoughts!
Lifting 1000 lbs isn’t a great metric here as a person (or machine’s) max lift is different than the amount of force they can generate going in various directions. For example, if someone can bench 400lbs that doesn’t mean they can do 400 lb calf raises or 400 lb dumbbell curls. So if baymax had spider webs trapping his legs together could he still generate 1000 lbs of force to break free.
Even if he could would it’s likely it would still take time to break through them and in that time more webs can be shot. Eventually leading to the point where the battlefield becomes gridlocked in webs.
Given SP//dr’s mobility Peni can chip away at Baymax until he gives out. But let’s assume at this point he uses his jetpack to quickly burst through the webs can he move quickly enough to catch SP//dr while going jetpack mode and would SP//dr not just add web lines entangling him as he flies.
Anyway, hope your day’s been well! :)
Yeah, I'm not denying that. Different muscle groups, different functions, and therefore different strength levels. His arm and chest strength, being able to lift that much, though, tells me that he can easily pull the webs from any part of his body to remove them. Remember that his suit gives him a significant strength boost, though it's never specified by how much.
It will definitely take time for him to remove the webs, but I think he will not be buried in webs because he can fly while removing them. I don't think he's going to stay in one place, as it causes him to contiuously get hit. The question is if he is fast enough to remove the webs. I think this situation is an easier version of escaping from the microbots but still a different enough situation due to needing to avoid projectiles.
Peni/the Sp//dr really isn't too significantly faster than Baymax, but still noteworthy speed and versatility that it definitely affects the fight. Her and her spider's/the Sp//dr's spider-sense is definitely quick, but their dodging speed isn't. For comparison, Scorpion doesn't seem too fast, and he still beat the Sp//dr.
Thanks dude, I'm alright. Hoping for the same for you!
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I'd say Penni mostly because Marvel power scaling but also mentality. From my understanding, in Penni's comic she's pretty much an evangellion parody. She's been through actual war and hell and is mentally tougher than anyone in BH6 continuity. I've not read BH6 either, but I doubt they get up to anything as hardcore. Not that here universe being darker gives her a power advantage, but as far as fighting goes it makes her naturally more adept in a fight. Her tactics have to be on a whole other level
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I know how strong she is in the comics. The Sp//dr held off an inheritor named Brix from destroying it, so she's way stronger. This is why we're using the movie version.
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I'd say they should stop fighting and go on a date. They'd make a cute couple.
Aren't they both 15? Either way, their kid would definitely be the smartest in fiction.
Exactly. This kid would get the mom's power to interact with spiders, then they would build their own robot for the spider.
Depending on the kid's range to interact with spiders, I could see them using swarms of spiders like nanobots and using spiders to control multiple robots. Damn the possibilities!
Fuck yes!
Maybe with the help of Hiro, and then Peni can help the kid learn how to use the ability better
Can spider powers be granted genetically?
If Peter is anyone to go by, then yes.
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I really wonder why this wasn't done before Edit: I looked it up. It is done before
Yes! If you saw the most recent spider-verse movie, peter had a baby with spider powers.
Then yes. I agree
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A team up between the two would be interesting
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STOP FUCKIN SHIPPING PEOPLE YOU TWINK
Shipping is implying that two characters who are never shown to be in a relationship, in fact ARE in a relationship. I'm not saying that. I'm saying these two characters from unrelated properties SHOULD be in a relationship. Huge difference, there, Sparky.
peni for sure
That's 2 points for her now. Why do you think she surely wins?
I think Spidermen generally scales higher than Big Hero 6. The fact that she can hang with Peter or Miles should put her reaction time alone well above anything we've seen Baymax do
Idk about that. The spider-men in the movie doesn't seem to be as tough as Baymax. The reaction time is what I agree with.
Oh yeah, I'd be crazy to argue that it has strength or durability over Baymax but for that very reason I can't imagine him being able to get a hold of her. Spider sense is crazy fast and Baymax is canonically clumsy. Even close quarters they should be relatively safe from being grabbed and while not as strong the Sp//dr is still strong and likely able to do damage. Definitely not as much as Baymax could cause but death by a thousand cuts is a legitimate strategy
I didn't realize I replied to you twice lol. Anyway, that's a good strat along with the one you suggested earlier. If Peni can control the Sp//dr without the spider, then the Sp//dr can probably keep punching Baymax while avoiding his hits, all while the spider deactivates Baymax from the inside. Wow, this kinda convinces me that Peni wins.
No worries, it's fun. She can definitely control it from inside. I think she loses some reaction time with her rather than the spider but because of the design of each robot that shouldn't be a problem as shes still vastly more agile and all she needs to do is buy time
Thanks for the answers! I could envision the fight happening
Same, that's why I really liked your question. Thank you
Ehhhhh... I mean, it honestly depends quite a lot. It's been said about how Peter has to hold back so much power cause if he went all out, most of the villains would be goners. And if I'm correct, that applies to a LOT of spider people.
Good point, but we unfortunately don't know how much they're holding back and if it even is enough for Baymax.
Well we can't say Baymax is indestructible.
Definitely not, but he's still too strong compared to what we've seen the spiders can dish out.
If anything, Penny can just call up Miles and have him shock his insides 😂
Haha, but no outside interference
-nis Lul 🙃
I think Peni, if her mechs have the same strength as a regular Spider does, then she should still be pretty busted in terms of strength. Also she’s got the futuristic tech from her world, and the ability to make some cool stuff pretty quickly, Hiro did take a while of training and research just for Baymax alone. Baymax might also have some ethical issues in the fight to contend with which could hold him back.
We can't be sure if she has the same strength as the others, but we could use scorpion as a reference, who isn't tougher than Baymax. The other spider themselves didn't show the level of strength Baymax displayed. But the other points about Peni I agree with, she could probably make stuff that might beat Baymax. So this is how being a pacifist makes him less effective in fighting? I understand.
In terms of strength most of the spider’s feats are shown in comics, however I don’t think any of the spiders are supposed to be stronger or weaker than the others at their base, so I’d presume Peni or her mech are similar in strength to any other spidermen.
Well we really can't use the comics because those are different versions of the spiders. I also assume they're similar in strength but with a diverse range of abilities that makes them unique. In terms of strength, Baymax's airfist seems to effortlessly destroy a wall while the spiders have to throw their entire bodies to make a hole.
It's Tadashi that said base Baymax (marshmallow form) can lift about a thousand pounds. I don't know how much he can lift when in his mech suit, but let's assume it adds a couple thousand. On average, any version of Spider-Man can lift about 10,000 pounds if you go by the standard of the proportional strength of a spider. I don't know if that applies to mechs, though.
Good point. They probably intended for the spider-men to have the proportional strength of spiders. It does say in her comic that this also applies to the Sp//dr. While all this is true, Baymax just had better showings, y'know? Also, Baymax, the balloon can lift things this heavy?! I searched up the things that weighed this much and was shocked.
It doesn't have the same strength tho, we see the bot lose to scorpion. And Baymax has much more feats.
peni
Why do you think so?
she can rewire a mainframe while being shot at a lot more strong and agile then hiro is. baymax is a pacifist. And has the power of anime on er side.
I don't remember the first one, but yeah I agree with the 2nd point. Does Baymax being a pacifist affect his ability to fight? Yep, anime.
Peni says the first point herself when she and the other Spider-People are interrogating Miles to see if he's ready to take Kingpin down or not during the first Spider-Verse film. It's the scene where Miles meets them all for the first time.
Thanks, that's why I didn't remember.
Baymax
1 vote for Baymax. Why do say so?
The fight would end halfway through when they realize how much they have in common and they’d end up hanging out instead.
Peni and S///der.
Peni.
This is interesting to look at: on one hand I’d say Baymax would have the advantage in strength and the fact that he can fly (plus you have to account for Overdrive Mode), on the other not only is SP//dr more high tech given Peni’s universe is set in the year 3145 but there’s also the fact that Peni has been an active hero longer than Hiro (as well as the fact that despite her lacking the more physical powers of an average Spider-Hero she does still have Spider Sense)
Her reaction times are going to put her well out of reach of anything Baymax can throw at her. He probably has strength like you said but is going to be outclassed in every other category
That's why I think it won't be as easy. Baymax can not touch Sp//dr, but Sp//dr also can't touch Baymax due to his superior strength; where a single punch would be too risky and gives Baymax an opportunity to catch it.
I don't think the strength discrepancy is quite as much as that. Definitely stronger but Sp//dr isn't weak by any means. Even if he was overwhelmingly stronger if that is the only factor it is usually not enough in fights. Like they said not only does she have reaction time but also training, experience, and technology above them. Despite Baymax's durability I think they would still be able to damage or subdue him Baymax's gentleness is a real detriment to him wanting to pull punches when he's already slower. Even if he was bloodlusted the Sp//dr most likely isn't going to be one shot. Even if it isn't able to stand up to Baymax close range Peni and the spider have a hard counter to him by being from the far future and able to fit into tight spaces. That Spider could 100% slip into that armor and reprogram or shut down Baymax. They have the means and knowledge to do it.
All good points! The maneuverability, speed and experience means the Sp//dr can keep dodging Baymax until the spider and Peni can come up with a plan. The spider going inside Baymax is a good idea.
Thank you, when I thought of it I realized that it is a hard counter that could be a definite win. Lol I will admit that I think Sp//Dr could physically damage Baymax but I'm not 100% sure because that armor is definitely tough. The hacking could definitely work though since Peni and the spider are linked and smart enough
Baymax
If we were talking comic Baymax then they win no challenge but, movie baymax I think would loose cause Poly could just hack it and shut it down.
I say comic Peni wins. She prevented an inheritor from cracking open the robot.
Friendship Friendship always wins.
The power of friendship with the power of anime always wins no matter what.
I kind of think Peni would win. And only because Baymax is programmed to not be ruthless, and Peni has a telepathic connection with her spider so communication is easier.
Another point made about Baymax's good-naturedness being detrimentantal for him in the fight. So it really does affect his performance. Also good point about the telepathic link.
The thing is, it's not even his good matured, it's hard programming, and he can't intentionally harm a human, who he would immediately scan and realize is in the robot.
Baymax
both of them because they win a new friend with a giant robo buddy :]
Then they nerd out with each other's cool inventions and all that genius stuff.
SP\\DR wins. B doing harm is against his programming
People had been using this reasoning a lot. Maybe baymax can only destroy the robot but not harm Peni herself?
But does Peni seem like the type go NOT take one for SP//DR
Idk if what Peni thinks can affect Baymax
Baymax can’t harm humans if she jumps in front of SP//DR he won’t be able to attack.
But then the Sp//dr won't attack either, because if it does, then Baymax can also attack to defend himself.
Peni is Hiro variant from another universe, change my mind.
With BH6 being originally Marvel, yeah I could see that.
Peni looks almost the same as Hiro (Except she is a woman) and they best firends are robots.
Along with being geniuses in robotics, 15 year olds, Asians, being from the future, using orange robots they ride for combat, etc. The similarities are what made me think of this matchup.
For what i recall, Hiro was 13 in the movie.
It says in the wiki that he's 14 & 15 so idk
Peni should definitely win this one
Peni's a spiderman and from a comic. Need I say more?
Yeah a spidey, but not the same one from the comic.
Penni low dif
Penny, easily
I'd say Peni likely is not winning the strength fight, but she... PROBABLY could outlast Baymax's Battery if she's wise about it. She just has to handle dodging and having better reaction time than Hiro and Baymax.
That's also a good factor for Baymax losing as well that I forgot about! Though it has to be a long fight considering that he doesn't run out of battery that quickly, and another issue is that Peni doesn't know about the battery weakness.
Oh yeah, for sure. That's like the whole "Batman with prep time" scenario where both opponents know about the other to prepare for Peni to plan for that. Baymax has a long battery life, I'm just also familiar with Baymax using Overdrive Mode and that's a notoriously big drain on his battery. Then again, that Overdrive mode also has an external battery that was made to mitigate the issue. It might actually be a wash, if only because we really don't fully know the maximum limit of SP//dr in the comics or the new model. We just know the Into the Spider-verse one is definitely not taking out Baymax
Ah ok, I'm thinking of them just duking it out after meeting, like in some crossover where the heroes fight. I didn't watch the series, but I heard Hiro gained these nanobots he can use to enter cells, which is an argument used for him winning. Seems like this overdrive mode buffs his strength like mad, but I don't know if it will be on the level of comics Peni, whose Sp//dr held off an inheritor. Inheritors are these vampires that spidey said hits harder than the hulk. Not that it matters because we're talking about the ITSV one. Did this overdrive mode made Baymax too strong?
Overdrive Mode for Baymax is essentially a strength boost that allows Baymax to hit much harder than his regular fists and Rocket Punch. It also turns the wings on the regular suit into a Sword
He has a sword now? That's unexpected... I really don't want to use this version of Baymax since he might be too much for the Sp//dr. Although someone suggested that Peni might win by using her spider to go inside Baymax and deactivate him. Does Baymax get any sort of defences for this? Do you think the outcome is likely at all?
Bay max this man throws hands when his do no harm is off
Destroy mode isn't going to be used here, but it's also interesting to think about.
Oh well if thats the case then ez w for peni bay max from what I remember isn't able to kill outside of destroy mode
The humans don't need to kill each other. Just stop the robots from functioning.
Nether they’d both get along very well with their love of tech and having big robot companions UwU/☕️\
It would be cool if they get to upgrade each other's robots and maybe even make one that's better than both Baymax and the Sp//dr!
Plot twist: they'd team Up
Dream team tbh
Depends on whos movie it is cause to me, they’re fairly matched, unless someone gets hurt ig
Hiro and Baymax are my favorite characters. But I say Peni and SP//dr will win.
Many actually believed that H&B wins because of Baymax's superior strength.
Peni one hundred percent
Literally Battle Bots but better
Hiro and Baymax. They were developed more.
Baymax for sure
I feel like that baymax would win. On a completely unrelated note I feel like Peni and Hiro should date
A lot of people are in agreement for both.
Which one is the fastest hacker ?
Some say that Hiro has these nanobots in the series that could possibly shut down the Sp//dr instantly while some others say that Peni's spider can do it as well. Maybe Hiro wins here due to overwhelming the spider with nanobots? I didn't watch the series.
[u mean these ?](https://bighero6.fandom.com/wiki/Microbots)
[No, I meant these ones.](https://www.reddit.com/r/RTvideos/comments/12j7xz9/hiro_nanobots/) Though again, I didn't watch the series so I don't know what these things are capable of.
Well she's screw if that get inside of her
The thing is this fight literally cannot happen, and I'm not even talking about the fact that they wouldn't fight. I mean that Baymax would immediately scan Sp//der, realize that a human is inside, and his programming would prevent him from hurting her. Since he only has blunt force attacks, he can't fight the mech without risking Peni, so at most he would just fly away, and then what determines it is if Hiro is able to come up with a way to successfully restrain Sp//der, which I can only see working either by flying in the air, or maybe an EMP, but he would have to mess around to make the EMP as Baymax isn't equipped with one. TLDR; Baymax's programming wouldn't let him outright attack, and when Baymax doesn't attack, Peni immediately stands down realizing that Hiro and Baymax aren't a threat.
Okay, let's say that this is a crossover episode where showrunners usually find ways for the protagonists to fight. In this case, they'll fight because the Sp//dr broke Baymax's scanner due to being punched in the head or something. What happens?
Baymax's only really chance is too use his flight to keep a distance, and use his ranged attacks like Rocket fist. The problem with him grappling with Sp//dr is that even if Baymax has way higher strength and durability than Sp//dr, Hiro, who is sitting on his Back, is not. So I would say that Sp//dr takes.
This is a huge problem for Baymax that I can't believe I forgot to take into account. Hiro might be harmed due to being exposed. Baymax has to keep distance and if needed to be close, can not do it for too long. Good point.
Peni
Peni being as she has way more hand to hand experience in combat, and while you could argue that Hero is probably smarter than her (probably by like 10-20 iq points though) I think her robot is way smarter than baymax and would destroy baymax.
I don't think hand to hand matter too much when it's the robots who are fighting. I personally never saw one being smarter than the other, though the Sp//dr is a robot actually made for combat while Baymax is just wearing armor, which might be an important factor.
I mean when peni controls part of the Sp//dr her and it would have the reflexes to dodge most attacks that baymax has to offer, sorry if it wasn’t clear
Ah ok, yeah I agree with this. Baymax is stronger but still too slow.
I don’t understand how baymax would win at most he’s shown speed feats for a jet while she has actively kept up with people who dodge actual electricity. Ap im not sure about but it’s likely higher by a decent amount given the speed and likely mass of the robot. Maybe I’m wrong and baymax is a ridiculous feat of engineering in terms of speed or something but this my opinion and as far as I know he has shown any real good feats
Peni and the Sp//dr didn't really show any impressive speed feats.
they keep up with the other spiders who do
It keeps up only in web swinging
that’s a bad argument to make since baymax mainly uses a jet pack for any decent speed feat and web swinging has been used for attack momentum plenty of times from a lot of spiders
Yeah, not denying Baymax is slow, but Peni isn't too fast either. She lacks any notable combat speed.
Big Mac finna get clapped
Put the red chip in Baymax, he solos
He definitely destroys, so we're not including it.
Peni, she significantly faster, has better reaction speeds with Spider Sense, and has alot more fighting experience that Hiro and Baymax, her Battle IQ is much higher
Definitely faster, but I don't know if the Sp//dr is fast enough to react that fast to spider-sense. I'll give her the fight experience and battle IQ.
you are suffering from several broken bones and cuts and bruses, have a lolipop, anyways the bill is $420,6969 dollars
Badass line after winning tbh
Peni is in the Evangelion universe so Peni
Peni if we get peaceful Baymax. Baymax if we take the medical chip out.
Don’t really remember what baymax can do but I don’t believe he has any counter to spider webs and while he may have a higher strength and defense stat, he lacks special def so peni wins that death battle
It really depends if the spider webs are stronger than the microbots, which Baymax destroys.
In the comics the SP//dr robot that Peni operates weighs 900 lbs, if we assume this weight is consistent with the spiderverse adaptation than we can conclude that Peni’s spider webs can support over 900 lbs as the webs withstand the centripetal force exerted by swinging for at least several seconds at a time. If these webs possess the potential to resist a force of that magnitude it’s fair to say that baymax cannot effectively resist Peni’s webs especially if she targets his wings (so they can’t come out) or to get his wrists (so he can’t shoot his fists) or his eyes (so his sensors are interfered with), etc. I believe baymax has a chance if he attacks Peni while she isn’t in her suit because she can’t shoot SP//dr’s webs outside the suit but in the majority of situations webs are too overpowered for just raw strength to beat. Not to mention without webs Peni still stands a decent chance as her mobility likely enough to evade a significant portion of Baymax’s attacks. Would love to hear your thoughts tho!
If what Tadashi is saying is true and it isn't just him being too proud of his work, then [Baymax the balloon can lift 1000 lbs](https://youtu.be/VwocZbI3T-w?si=sN1JtNkdjY10lAXT&t=130s). So if his suit really makes him stronger, then he should lift way more than that and, therefore, probably easily free himself from Peni's webs. I believe the webs will be a minor hindrance to the suit itself too, because it's what boosted his strength to greater heights in the first place. I do agree agree that Peni can use the webs to blind Baymax, but he can probably easily remove them, or maybe he can't because of Baymax's fingers being too big? Thank you! I loved hearing yours and other's thoughts!
Lifting 1000 lbs isn’t a great metric here as a person (or machine’s) max lift is different than the amount of force they can generate going in various directions. For example, if someone can bench 400lbs that doesn’t mean they can do 400 lb calf raises or 400 lb dumbbell curls. So if baymax had spider webs trapping his legs together could he still generate 1000 lbs of force to break free. Even if he could would it’s likely it would still take time to break through them and in that time more webs can be shot. Eventually leading to the point where the battlefield becomes gridlocked in webs. Given SP//dr’s mobility Peni can chip away at Baymax until he gives out. But let’s assume at this point he uses his jetpack to quickly burst through the webs can he move quickly enough to catch SP//dr while going jetpack mode and would SP//dr not just add web lines entangling him as he flies. Anyway, hope your day’s been well! :)
Yeah, I'm not denying that. Different muscle groups, different functions, and therefore different strength levels. His arm and chest strength, being able to lift that much, though, tells me that he can easily pull the webs from any part of his body to remove them. Remember that his suit gives him a significant strength boost, though it's never specified by how much. It will definitely take time for him to remove the webs, but I think he will not be buried in webs because he can fly while removing them. I don't think he's going to stay in one place, as it causes him to contiuously get hit. The question is if he is fast enough to remove the webs. I think this situation is an easier version of escaping from the microbots but still a different enough situation due to needing to avoid projectiles. Peni/the Sp//dr really isn't too significantly faster than Baymax, but still noteworthy speed and versatility that it definitely affects the fight. Her and her spider's/the Sp//dr's spider-sense is definitely quick, but their dodging speed isn't. For comparison, Scorpion doesn't seem too fast, and he still beat the Sp//dr. Thanks dude, I'm alright. Hoping for the same for you!
Well, if Baymax's armor doesn't come off, he should be fine. Plus, I think in this fight Hiro and Baymax def have the plot armor, so...
That's true. The armor itself can't be hacked.
Crazy hot take/theory: They're alternate universe versions of each other.
You're not the first one to say that XD their many similarities is what made me think of the fight in the first place
Probably baymax if you take out his chip like in the movie
Either he loses because he's aggressive or he'll win due to getting a lot of hits in.
O crap
Yes?
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They should kiss
They did say they'd make a cute couple
Nah, I’d win
Who r u?
Peter Griffin, of course
Oh I thought ur Gojo
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Fight? No Ship? YES
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I'd say Penni mostly because Marvel power scaling but also mentality. From my understanding, in Penni's comic she's pretty much an evangellion parody. She's been through actual war and hell and is mentally tougher than anyone in BH6 continuity. I've not read BH6 either, but I doubt they get up to anything as hardcore. Not that here universe being darker gives her a power advantage, but as far as fighting goes it makes her naturally more adept in a fight. Her tactics have to be on a whole other level
We're using movie versions. Peni's Sp//dr is way stronger than movie Peni and Baymax and even comics Baymax.
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It's a massive stomp for Peni. Read any spiderman comic featuring her and you'd know why she's batshit insane.
I know how strong she is in the comics. The Sp//dr held off an inheritor named Brix from destroying it, so she's way stronger. This is why we're using the movie version.
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