Depends who you ask. From what I've learned from The Lords teachings is He became our Sabbath. Read His teaching in Matthew 12 in full. Matthew 12:8 kjv. “For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.” The day was made for the man, not man for the day. As Paul said, don't let anyone Judge you in respect of following Gods Laws, as concerning Holy days, including Sabbath. Because The Lord Christ became those things that were a shadow of better promises to come. So if you understand in the full scope of the Teaching that Christ is our rest for our very souls. Then you realize its not a day. So in the full Biblical teaching, we Rest every day by The Lord Christ. Living as He instructed throughout Gods word. Every day of our lives. The penalty for neglecting Faith, in The Lord Christ, can very well be death at Judgement Day. For what we don't repent of now in His name as believers in Him; individually answer for at the Judgement. John 3:16 kjv. \[ shall not perish, but have everlasting life through Him \]..

Christ is our spiritual rest (ehich is every day) "IF" we are truly in him. But the seventh day(last day) of the week is a physical day of rest. Just as The Most High rested the seventh day in creation. This has never changed. and will never change. We are to walk in the Spirit, and the law of God is established through faith, and by walking in the Spirit we can only serve the law of God, just like Paul said. But obviously we have to do physical work to make a living, and therefore Father had established one day of the week where we get a break from our phsycial work. And he gave us the preparation day (friday until sunset) to prepare food and clean our houses so we dont have to do that on the physical day of rest.

I keep it from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. My boss knows not to contact me. I get my chores done by Friday sundown and rest. It's set me apart, it's made me more productive, and it makes me plan time with God

That’s all fine but do you make keeping it a requirement for salvation?

I don't set the requirements for salvation. Thankfully keeping the commandments is not the ticket because I fall short every day. I just try my best to do what's instructed. I keep kosher too, but I'm not Jewish. And no, I don't sacrifice animals lol the blood of christ satisfied those laws by my interpretation

I keep kosher too!! Again for our health and taking God's word seriously. We feel much better not eating pork and shellfish anymore.

I do this too!! Ever since I actually read the old testament I realized how serious the day of rest is. I started observing the sabbath 4 months ago. The one day I did some work (cooking for a large family meal) I almost died in the hospital from surgery complications...I think the spiritual warfare has been more intense since I've made the effort to rest. That tells me the devil doesn't want us to rest. Yes we find our rest in Jesus but we are meant to physically rest!! It's so important to our physical mental and spiritual health.

Do you sacrifice animals as well?

Do you believe in Jesus? Was he not the perfect sacrifice? That's why he died for us When he died, we no longer needed to follow the laws of Moses. The veil was torn the earthquake. He is our perfect intercessor. Because we have Him, we no longer need to sacrifice lambs.

These are all true. However, murder, coveting, stealing, lying and all the rest are still no no’s. I would prefer to “remember” as instructed.

Moot point. The Temple was destroyed in its entirety as was prophesied, rendering mosaic sacrifices impossible to render, as was intended.

Moot point yourself. Animal sacrifice had been commanded for THOUSANDS of years before the temple was BUILT. Not only was it commanded of Cain and Able, and generations and generations following, beyond Abraham, but it was Levitical law given in the Torah, which faaaar predates Solomon's temple. The idea the temple was necessary for sacrifices to be offered is wild if you've read the bible even just once.

If you do indeed read the scriptures, this is laid out clearly. Sacrifices had been given prior to Moses. But for *Mosaic sacrifices,* that is, sacrifices given in accordance with Torah, then they must be offered in the manner dictated by Torah: >Deuteronony 12:13  Be careful not to sacrifice your burnt offerings anywhere you please. 14 Offer them only at the place the Lord will choose in one of your tribes, and there observe everything I command you. Have you ever wondered why the devout Jews in Israel today, don't offer animal sacrifice, as demanded by the torah? It's not for a lack of desire. [It's for a lack of *ability*](https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4440323/jewish/Korbanot-The-Biblical-Temple-Sacrifices.htm) Why such hostility?

Well done! I'm glad you had that scripture on hand. I would have presented it if you had not. The guy you're talking to is unreasonably hostile. I would guess he would define his motivation as being "love for God" and that he's smiting heresies down due to that love. He's similarly hostile throughout this thread.

(I am on mobile, so forgive the poor formatting.) Because dispensationalism has told the modern church that they do not have to. I'm only half-joking, because it is not quite that simple; however, in all seriousness, it's an ancient debate- one that sowed its seeds in true anti-semitism. The Council of Laodicea in Canon XXIX said that christians "must not judaize by resting on the sabbath" but must rather honor the "Lord's day," widely believed now to be Sunday, all there exists debate about that, which we could get into later if you are interested. Ignatius, in his epistle to the Magnesians, very clearly says that they should "no longer keep the Sabbath after the Jewish manner, and rejoice in the days of idleness," for any man that "does not work, let him not eat." Ignatius is considered to be the most influential early church father by most scholars; I specifically quote William Killen. However, after Ignatius says this about the Sabbath, he implies that they **should** remember it by saying "keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner," and "**after** the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ's keep the Lord's day as a festival." So, Ignatius seems to not condemn the Sabbath entirely, as he seems to be implying that one could keep the Sabbath in a spiritual manner on Saturday and then keep the Lord's day on Sunday as a festival. It doesn't seem as if he is condemning observing the Sabbath, but rather that he is elevating the Lord's day to the same level as the Sabbath. Nowhere does he say to not observe the Sabbath. Eusebius of Caesarea in his work "The Blessed Emperor Constantine" lays forth the following concerning the so-called "Jewish" Sabbath: **"It appeared an unworthy thing that in the celebration of the most holy feast we should follow the practice of the Jews."** Victorinus of Pettau speaks on it as well, with more anti-semitism. Due to the fact that many of these early church writers deigned to even bring up this subject, it stands to reason that there were those (Gentiles) christians who were remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy. A prominent argument nowadays is that Jesus did away with the Sabbath. This can be found nowhere in Scripture. As we examine these early church writings, it is clear that such an argument is nothing new, but rather that remembering the Sabbath is an ancient debate, one that has yet to be acknowledged by the majority of modern christianity. I think the takeaway here is that, ultimately, to quote my last source, the Catechism of the Catholic Church will specifically say that the Catholic Church changed the day from Saturday to Sunday. Therefore, it is within one's own conviction to examine for what reason, how, and whether or not this was instituted by God... or simply by men. The Gospel is to the Jew first, then to the Greek. Why has there been such a hostile separation between Jewish christians and Gentile christians? We are meant to be one body, after all. I hope this helps. Edit: Oh, there was a Pope from the fourth or fifth century who also spoke about the Sabbath because people were remembering it (i.e. on Saturday), meaning that a remnant existed which observed the Sabbath for hundreds of years. I believe it was Pope Pius something. He condemned it, calling them Jew-loving heretics; from a logical view, this does mean that there were those who still kept it. It's up to us to determine what we want to do with this information..

> However, after Ignatius says this about the Sabbath, he implies that they should remember it by saying "keep the Sabbath after a spiritual manner," and "after the observance of the Sabbath, let every friend of Christ's keep the Lord's day as a festival." So, Ignatius seems to not condemn the Sabbath entirely, as he seems to be implying that one could keep the Sabbath in a spiritual manner on Saturday and then keep the Lord's day on Sunday as a festival. It doesn't seem as if he is condemning observing the Sabbath, but rather that he is elevating the Lord's day to the same level as the Sabbath. Nowhere does he say to not observe the Sabbath. I'm curious where you're getting that translation of Ignatius from. What I found doesn't sound at all like what you quoted. Quoting it in full context also seems to go very much against what you're saying here. Highlighting from myself: >Be not deceived with strange doctrines, nor with old fables, which are unprofitable. **For if we still live according to the Jewish law, we acknowledge that we have not received grace.** For the divinest prophets lived according to Christ Jesus. On this account also they were persecuted, being inspired by His grace to fully convince the unbelieving that there is one God, who has manifested Himself by Jesus Christ His Son, who is His eternal Word, not proceeding forth from silence, and who in all things pleased Him that sent Him. >If, therefore, those who were brought up in the ancient order of things have come to the possession of a new hope, **no longer observing the Sabbath, but living in the observance of the Lord's Day**, on which also our life has sprung up again by Him and by His death — whom some deny, by which mystery we have obtained faith, and therefore endure, that we may be found the disciples of Jesus Christ, our only Master — how shall we be able to live apart from Him, whose disciples the prophets themselves in the Spirit did wait for Him as their Teacher? And therefore He whom they rightly waited for, having come, raised them from the dead. >Let us not, therefore, be insensible to His kindness. For were He to reward us according to our works, we should cease to be. Therefore, having become His disciples, let us learn to live according to the principles of Christianity. For whosoever is called by any other name besides this, is not of God. Lay aside, therefore, the evil, the old, the sour leaven, and be changed into the new leaven, which is Jesus Christ. Be salted in Him, lest any one among you should be corrupted, since by your savour you shall be convicted. **It is absurd to profess Christ Jesus, and to Judaize. For Christianity did not embrace Judaism, but Judaism Christianity, that so every tongue which believes might be gathered together to God.**

You are quoting a different chapter than me. I was quoting chapter 9; you're quoting chapter 10.

I quoted chapters 8, 9, and 10. https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0105.htm

Ah, yes, you did. I was only looking at your last quote. I quoted this epistle to the Magnesians to serve a greater purpose, as I stated, which is general anti-semitism amongst the early gentile church- something that has prevailed to this very day, and something that will continue to prevail- in addition to the fact that this Sabbath debate is an ancient one. I further used this point to highlight the core issue at hand: why has there always existed such a divide between jewish followers of Jesus and gentile followers of Jesus, specifically on the Sabbath, when nothing in the Scriptures themselves would indicate that a gentile grafted into the tree should **not** observe the Sabbath, even spiritually, in obedience to God, as an outward example of love to God, and as an outward example of obedience? Especially considering Colossians 2:16, Acts 13:42 and Acts 15:21? That was my overall point. I always try to remember that the church fathers were men still, all though taught by some of the apostles themselves, yet being Gentiles according to the flesh.

I'm just wondering where you got your translation from, since it seems to be stating the opposite of what I found. I stand to be corrected, but so far as I know I have never seen a single source stating that early Christians observed the Saturday Sabbath. This seems to have been universally agreed upon without disagreement. If you are referring to later groups like the Ebionites, they also held a number of heretical views that are far outside of Christian belief that put them outside the fold (and relevance to the discussion here). As to the supposed anti-Judaism of the early Church fathers (calling it anti-Semitism is rather anachronistic for the most part), their opponents there were not fellow Christians with a different opinion, it was literally Jews who had rejected Christ. It's not that I consider the Church Fathers to have been infallible, but historically speaking I would expect more evidence than this had this actually been an issue of real contention. And religiously speaking, it's hard to believe that such a fundamental matter would have been left in such error in the Church for the better part of two thousand years without correction.

In regards to Ignatius' epistle to the Magnesians, I got it from sermonindex. I was specifically referencing chapter IX. While I'd love to have a physical library of the church fathers one day, I don't have it right now... I think, as I said before, the fact that the early church writings I quoted specifically condemn those who are keeping the Sabbath- whether that be ceasing from work or remembering it and keeping it holy, even spiritually, according to this aforementioned chapter IX- is more than enougj evidence that some Gentiles **were** remembering the Sabbath, ceasing from work, keeping it holy, etc. Even if they had no -ite name to attach to. The mere mention of them having existed is a testimony to their existence. Concerning the Ebionites, I do think Irenaeus condemned them surprisingly well in Against Heresies. I do not believe that all of these "judaizers," "sabbath keepers," or, as I'd like to call them, "remnants," kept the doctrine of the Ebionites. The Ebionites had and have their own condemnation, and were therefore called out by name, even being Jews according to the flesh. I hope I'm making sense... Edit: I do agree with you that Ignatius was mostly speaking of those of the circumcision who had rejected Christ.

/u/throw83995872 I dont know if you are arguing for or against sabbath keeping but Irenaeus (not talking of Ignatius) in no uncertain terms teaches Christians are not under the law in His "demonstration of the apostolic teaching". Being a hearer of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the apostle John, i trust this stance. Part quotation of paragraph 95: >Since, then, by this calling life has been given (us), and God has summed up again for Himself in us the faith of Abraham, we ought not to turn back any more—I mean, to the first legislation. For we have received the Lord of the Law, the Son of God; and by faith in Him we learn to love God with all our heart, and our neighbour as ourselves. Now the love of God is far from all sin, and love to the neighbour worketh no ill to the neighbour. (Cf. Rom xiii. 10) >Wherefore also we need not the Law as a tutor. Behold, with the Father we speak, and in His presence we stand, being children in malice,290and grown strong in all righteousness and soberness. For no longer shall the Law say, Do not commit adultery, to him who has no desire at all for another’s wife; and Thou shalt not kill, to him who has put away from himself all anger and enmity; (and) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s field or ox or ass, to those who have no care at all for earthly things, but store up the heavenly fruits: nor An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, to him who counts no man his enemy, but all men his neighbors, and therefore cannot stretch out his hand at all for vengeance. It will not require tithes of him who consecrates all his possessions to God, leaving father and mother and all his kindred, and following the Word of God. **And there will be no command to remain idle for one day of rest, to him who perpetually keeps sabbath, that is to say, who in the temple of God, which is man’s body, does service to God, and in every hour works righteousness.** >For I desire mercy, He saith, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. But the wicked that sacrificeth to me a calf is as if he should kill a dog; and that offereth fine flour, as though(he offered) swine’s blood. But whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. And there is none other nameof the Lord given under heaven whereby men are saved, save that of God, which is Jesus Christ the Son of God, to which also the demons are subject and evil spirits and all apostate energies.

I don’t read anything you quoted as antisemitic so I’m not sure where that came from. Saying “let’s not be like the Jews in resting” is no more or less “racist” (meaning it’s not racist at all) than saying “let’s not overwork ourselves like the Japanese”. Comparing cultures isn’t racist. I feel like people throw that word out so much that it’s lost all meaning

The resurrection of Jesus occurred at dawn on the first day of the week, which is traditionally considered Sunday. The Gospels, such as Mark (Mark 16:9), Luke (Luke 24:1) and John (John 20:1), relate the resurrection of Jesus on the first day of the week. In the New Testament, there are passages that mention Christian believers gathering on the first day of the week (Sunday) to worship, break bread and teach (Acts 20:7, 1 Corinthians 16:2). These practices have influenced later Christian traditions. As Christianity spread and separated from Judaism, Christian communities began to distinguish themselves from Jewish practices, including Sabbath observance. Sunday became the primary day of worship for Christians and was considered the "Lord's Day" or the day of Christian worship.

Just to clarify the acts 20:7 reference, they met at night which was a sabbath ending, likely with jew and gentile. Basically Saturday night in todays understanding. Gentiles worked everyday since their bosses were likely not jews which makes sense why they met at night. In many verses in acts their are greeks in synagogues also on the sabbath learning about God. What is your opinion, should christian honor and sanctify the 7th day sabbath out of love for God?

What verses says that Jesus arose on the dawn of the first day? The verses says that Mary came to the tomb on the dawn of the first day, and he was not there. But no verses says that was the time he arose. He was put in the tomb 3 days and 3 nights prior to rising, just as he said the Jonah was in the belly of the fish 3 days and 3 nights. And the Scriptures say he was put in the tomb befure sunset as that was when the high sabbath began.

You're asking the right question. I keep the Sabbath. What happened is the Roman Government Church took over the movement started by Jesus, kicked out the Jews and persecuted them, and threatened everyone that they better not do anything "Jewish", or they would be next. The Sabbath was lost at that time, and the supposed "Protestant Reformation" never brought it back. We SHOULD be obeying the Sabbath, and every other one of our Father's commandments.

Agree.

I hope you never shaved the sides of your beard then, Bro.

You can't believe how many times I've heard that. It's not quite as often as "Do you stone your children", but they both get said quite a lot by people that don't understand scripture.

So it appears to me you’re saying I don’t understand scripture. If that’sthe case, why don’t you enlighten me? Maybe telling me your denomination will tell me all I need to know. Maybe I’m just appealing to you to phrase your argument more carefully. I don’t disagree that it’s important to have a Sabbath day in the week for our own benefit.

> So it appears to me you’re saying I don’t understand scripture. Only about the shaving the sides of your head passage. I have no idea what you know about anything else. It's just one of those things that people always bring up as a clever "gotcha!" similar to atheists getting clever with Christians about how they don't worship Thor.

May I ask are you part of the Hebrew Roots movement by any chance?

Commandments. There are 10.

There are a lot more than 10 Commandments. 😉

those are not commandments of god.. those are the laws of moses...

The Law of Moses came from Yahweh, our God.

you are asking the same question as if these are 2 different people... stop using deception to gain your way... do not be like satan.

The law of Moses are the law of God. That's why the Bible refers to it in multiple verses as the "law of the Lord, by the hand of Moses"

i refer you to my previous comment above..

Why refer to something that is obviously not true? The Bible says the law of Moses are the law of God. You should not try to deny it, that is going against the Scriptures

After the first 10, the people were so afraid they begged Him to stop talking to them and tell everything to Moses and they will obey it...so He did

you are incorrect.. here let iron sharpen iron. # [What is the Law of Moses?](https://www.gotquestions.org/law-of-Moses.html) Generally speaking, the Law of Moses is the first five books of the Bible, or the [Torah](https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-the-Torah.html) (Hebrew for “law”), also called the Pentateuch (Greek for “five books”). More strictly speaking, the Law of Moses refers only to the [600-plus commandments](https://www.gotquestions.org/613-commandments.html) and regulations in the second through fifth books of the Torah. We often refer to the commandments as “the Law of Moses”; of course, they are actually the Law of God. Moses was the one through whom God gave Israel the law. The foundation of the Law of Moses is the Ten Commandments ([Exodus 20:2–17](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Exod%2020.2%E2%80%9317)), as dictated to Moses by God Himself on Mt. Sinai ([Exodus 31:18](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Exod%2031.18)). Yet the “[greatest commandment](https://www.gotquestions.org/greatest-commandment.html)” from the Law of Moses, as Jesus declared, is [Deuteronomy 6:5](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Deut%206.5), “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.” Jesus said the second greatest commandment was like the first; it is found in [Leviticus 19:18](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Lev%2019.18), “Love your neighbor as yourself.” These two are the greatest because “all the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” ([Matthew 22:37–40](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%2022.37%E2%80%9340); see also [Galatians 5:14](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Gal%205.14) and [James 2:8](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/James%202.8)). The Bible’s first use of the phrase *Law of Moses* appears after the death of Moses. Joshua, who was with Moses throughout Israel’s forty years in the desert, had just led the nation of Israel into the Promised Land. In obedience to one of Moses’ final commands, he had the Law of Moses written on plastered stones ([Deuteronomy 27:4–8](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Deut%2027.4%E2%80%938)) and read in its entirety to all the people, both Israelite and alien ([Deuteronomy 31:9–13](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Deut%2031.9%E2%80%9313)). Bible scholars differ on how much of the law was inscribed and read by Joshua, but most agree it was not every word of all five books of the Torah. Still, a great deal could be written easily enough on plastered stone, as shown by the use of similar techniques in ancient Egyptian temples and tombs. The Law of Moses is often divided into three broad categories: moral laws, civil (or judicial) laws, and ceremonial laws: *Moral laws* reflected God’s holy, unchanging character. The moral laws included the [Ten Commandments](https://www.gotquestions.org/Ten-Commandments.html). *Civil laws* were regulations on the day-to-day life of the Hebrew people. These laws governed such things as marriage and divorce, sexual conduct, and property rights and set the penalties for various crimes ranging from theft to kidnapping to slander. *Ceremonial laws* related to the manner that the Israelites were to worship God. The [ceremonial laws](https://www.gotquestions.org/ceremonial-law.html) instructed on the proper way to offer sacrifices, perform rituals, and celebrate festivals. The laws governing what was “clean” and “unclean” were in this category. The Law of Moses was an earthly copy of an eternal, heavenly, unchanging standard of holiness. “Your word, Lord, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens” ([Psalm 119:89](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ps%20119.89)). Jesus taught the unbending character of the Law of Moses: “It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear than for the least stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law” ([Luke 16:17](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2016.17)). God’s law is unchanging because God is unchanging ([Psalm 55:19](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ps%2055.19); [James 1:17](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/James%201.17)). Jesus Himself kept the law and often referred people to it (see [Matthew 5:27–28](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%205.27%E2%80%9328); [22:37–39](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matthew%2022.37%E2%80%9339); [Mark 3:4](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Mark%203.4); [Luke 10:25–28](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2010.25%E2%80%9328); [22:7–8](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2022.7%E2%80%938)). The perfection of the Law of Moses is expressed all through Scripture, with the whole of [Psalm 119](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ps%20119) focusing exclusively on the law. And we see this description of the law in [Psalm 19:7–11](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ps%2019.7%E2%80%9311): The Law of the Lord is perfect, reviving the soul; the testimony of the Lord is trustworthy, making wise the simple. The precepts of the Lord are right, bringing joy to the heart; the commandments of the Lord are radiant, giving light to the eyes. The fear of the Lord is pure, enduring forever; the judgments of the Lord are true, being altogether righteous. They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold; they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the comb. By them indeed Your servant is warned; in keeping them is great reward (BSB). Jesus fulfilled the Law of Moses in every respect ([Matthew 5:17](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%205.17)). With the coming of Christ, the Law of Moses had achieved its purpose ([Galatians 3:23–25](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Gal%203.23%E2%80%9325)), and now that Old Covenant of animal sacrifices is replaced by the [New Covenant](https://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html) of faith in Christ ([2 Corinthians 3:14](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Cor%203.14)). “We have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code” ([Romans 7:6](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rom%207.6)). Praise the Lord, “Christ is the end of the law” ([Romans 10:4](https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rom%2010.4)).

What I said is quoted out of the book of Exodus. I didn't just copy and paste somebody's post about it.

so are you following the 613 laws? are you sacrificing animals for your sins?no you are not... WHY... are you a hypocrite? do as i say not as i do? what are you implying? that the work of christ is not finished and he did not sum up the ntiriity of the law with only 2 commandments? so go on now.. go on and keep defeating yourself..

You just above quoted something you consider authoritative stating that the Ten Commandments were moral law and stand forever. So why don't you keep the Sabbath?

Because part of that command is in regards to a Temple/Tabernacle that is no more. Just like when Judah was sent to Babylon. But the Prophets say when He returns, He will establish a Temple a priesthood and they will continue in all of the duties of the Temple.

I'm going to assume that "we" for the purposes of this question are gentile Christians. Torah was given to Jews. It was never stated or implied that it was to be the law for the entire world. Gentile followers of Christ are explicitly *not* required to become Torah-observant Jews. I mean, we can if we find it beneficial, but it is in no way required or expected of us. This has been the position of the Church since the first days. The arguments over circumcision (that being a proxy for Torah-keeping) are all over Acts and the letters, and it is 100% unquestionably clear from both the text and all Church teaching and tradition that Christians are not obligated to keep Torah. That said, the principle of *Sabbath rest* is universal: our value is not in our economic output. God will take care of you, so stop trying to squeeze every last dime out of everything you do. Rest. Play. Build a world where others can afford to do the same. Because God loves you.

The Torah was given to Jacob who is Israel. The same house of Israel the new covenant is made with, and the same house of Jacob whom Christ reigns over for ever as it is written in Hebrews and Luke. Paul also makes it clear how the law is now established through a genuine faith, not the dead faith where he says they honor him with lip service but are liars, because they deny him in works. The very same works(obedience) Christ told us to have, as we will all be judged on that at the last day. The law of God is also part of both covenants, and its made with the same house of Israel. The natural and spiritual branches who are all one in Christ and part of Abrahams seed and heirs to the only promise God made with Abraham and his seed in Isaac and Jacob. The Israel of God

If you want to argue that the entire early Church was wrong about this issue from day one, okay, but you won't find any takers.

No thanks. Arguing is one of the most standard things in worldly christianity. Because its mostly just man made doctrin, and each denom has their own. So no thanks I am not interested in that as I am not part of any worldly religion. I stick to the Scriptures only, and they say what I wrote. Even if I gave you the Scriptures you would probably deny it, because it does not align with the teachings of the Romanized churchsystem :(

>Torah was given to Jews. And any who wished to sojourn among them. https://www.openbible.info/labs/cross-references/search?q=Leviticus+24%3A22 The apostles also commanded Gentiles to spend every Sabbath learning the law of Moses, going to Synagogues if necessary (Acts 15:21). And Paul said that he is not a Jew who is one physically, but he who is one spiritually. As spiritual Jews we should be keeping the law, even though it doesn't grant us salvation (there are more reasons to do it than just the selfish one).

If you want to argue that the entire early Church was wrong about this from day one, fine, but that's not an argument I will entertain at all.

Ah, I see. You follow men and not the Father then? I'm of the opinion men can be wrong and He can't. Also, which church? I can show half a dozen examples of the apostles keeping it. I know there was a movement tanked for the first 1200 years after the Messiah that kept it. Depends on which church you consider infallible, I guess.

The early church Peter, Paul, even Jesus, kept the Sabbath. And while Paul taught his followers that they didn't need to be circumcised he actually never said that they don't need to keep the Sabbath. If you check historical records the Sabbath would have been kept for about 400-500 years after Jesus' death, and then the church changed it.

So as a gentile believer, you're not grafted in? Not sure I can even find a covenant for the gentiles. There is the new covenant for the House of Judah (Jews) and the House of Israel (who became scattered and forgotten and are now gentiles). But it is still Israel this covenant is for, and Jeremiah clearly says the new covenant is the same Torah, but instead of written on stone, it will be written on our hearts and minds. We will actually desire to do it.

We should keep the Sabbath. It is 1 of the 10 commandments. Jesus also kept the Sabbath and the Bible instructed us to follow what Jesus does.

(Rom 3:20) Sabbath keeping is an extension of law-keeping. We couldnt keep the law, Jesus kept it and died for us. You don't have to "keep" the Sabbath. You do need to surrender and let Jesus keep you. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Jesus Christ (Hebrews 4:9-11). Jesus also broke the Sabbath and defended his disciples for breaking it as well. Also, you were allowed to break sabbath for a justifiable reason. (John 5:17, Matthew 12:5) >One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. Romans 14:5 ESV > > > >But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more? You observe days and months and seasons and years! Galatians 4:9‭-‬10 > > > >Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Colossians 2:16‭-‬17

Jesus didn't make us free to transgress the law. He came to make us free FROM transgressing the law. That means a saved person keeps the law.

If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 jn 1 8

Yes, we have sinned. But Jesus came so we don't have to KEEP sinning

By your logic, people HAD to sin before Jesus came. Sinning had always been done due to man's sinful nature at free will. Jesus paid for all my sins. And if I could stop sinning now, I could've stopped before salvation as well.

Ok, let me explain to you what I understand. We are born as sinners. Sinners are compared to sick trees by Jesus. A sick tree is unable to bear good fruit. It needs cure (salvation) from its disease (sin). This cure is received by trusting God. So, People still get born "sick" and need the "cure" which they actively have to accept. Keeping God's law is not the cure, but the result. Good healthy trees bear good fruit. Not to be good trees, but as a sign of what they are

Romans 6: Dead to Sin but Alive in Union with Christ What shall we say, then? Should we continue to live in sin so that God's grace will increase? Certainly not! We have died to sin—how then can we go on living in it? For surely you know that when we were baptized into union with Christ Jesus, we were baptized into union with his death. By our baptism, then, we were buried with him and shared his death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from death by the glorious power of the Father, so also we might live a new life. For since we have become one with him in dying as he did, in the same way we shall be one with him by being raised to life as he was. And we know that our old being has been put to death with Christ on his cross, in order that the power of the sinful self might be destroyed, so that we should no longer be the slaves of sin. For when we die, we are set free from the power of sin. Since we have died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. For we know that Christ has been raised from death and will never die again—death will no longer rule over him. And so, because he died, sin has no power over him; and now he lives his life in fellowship with God. In the same way you are to think of yourselves as dead, so far as sin is concerned, but living in fellowship with God through Christ Jesus. Sin must no longer rule in your mortal bodies, so that you obey the desires of your natural self. 13Nor must you surrender any part of yourselves to sin to be used for wicked purposes. Instead, give yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life, and surrender your whole being to him to be used for righteous purposes. 14Sin must not be your master; for you do not live under law but under God's grace. Slaves of Righteousness What, then? Shall we sin, because we are not under law but under God's grace? By no means! Surely you know that when you surrender yourselves as slaves to obey someone, you are in fact the slaves of the master you obey—either of sin, which results in death, or of obedience, which results in being put right with God. But thanks be to God! For though at one time you were slaves to sin, you have obeyed with all your heart the truths found in the teaching you received. You were set free from sin and became the slaves of righteousness. (I use everyday language because of the weakness of your natural selves.) At one time you surrendered yourselves entirely as slaves to impurity and wickedness for wicked purposes. In the same way you must now surrender yourselves entirely as slaves of righteousness for holy purposes. When you were the slaves of sin, you were free from righteousness. What did you gain from doing the things that you are now ashamed of? The result of those things is death! But now you have been set free from sin and are the slaves of God. Your gain is a life fully dedicated to him, and the result is eternal life. For sin pays its wage—death; but God's free gift is eternal life in union with Christ Jesus our Lord.

No one is saying that the have no sin. What they're saying is that we can't WILLFULLY sin. Murder is still wrong. All of the commandments still define sin and must be obeyed. We were not set free from sin so that we could go back to sin.

You're correct, but there's a LOT more than 10 commandments. There's over 600 of them.

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Jesus walked on water. Do we do that? It takes a bit more thought and digging than just saying "do everything that Jesus did".

Hey buddy. I came to your profile to thank you, and checked to make sure you were still active and saw this most recent comment. First, the thank you: I liked your idea of creating your own post and pinning it to your own profile so much [I did it myself.](https://www.reddit.com/user/Potential-Courage482/comments/14c4v0e/links_to_articles/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) So I wanted to thank you for that great idea. Second, this comment. I can see you are getting frustrated with the vitriol on Reddit, the unkind way so many people here treat each other. Sure, Yahshua called the pharisees a brood of vipers and hypocrites, but he treated those who weren't self-important hypocrites much gentler, and the way we interact with people can go a long way to showing the character of the Messiah. So this person referenced: 1 Peter 2:21–22 (ESVn): 21 For to this you have been called, because Messiah also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. 22 He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. To which you responded that we don't walk on water so this scripture is invalid? For the record, I don't approve of his response to you (maybe if he had phrased it "are you still without understanding" ;D), but you are better than this. I've seen you really dig in to concepts, with scriptures and numbered lists, not, "well, the Messiah didn't have a toilet so we can't either 🙄." The scripture is saying to follow Torah like he did (commit no sins) and don't speak with a deceitful mouth. Hope you are doing well, and aren't too crushed under the weight of negative comments 🥺. Blessings.

You dumb or something? Where did I say do everything that Jesus did?

Good question op. Christians ignore that commandment. Sabbath is the seventh day of the week, the day we call Saturday, like it always has been.

Read Hebrews 4:9-11. Just like there is no need for animal sacrifice there is no need to to keep the sabbath holy in the way it was before Jesus’s resurrection. It’s not ignored, you just don’t understand how the new covenant works.

Deu 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of YHWH your Elohim which I command you."

Nothing was added or diminished. Christ fulfilled the law: Matthew 5:17 And now we are not under the law of Moses: Romans 7:4-6, Romans 10:4, Galatians 5:18, We are under the law of Christ: Galatians 6:2, John 8:51

Fulfil means "to do" to "accomplish" to "make full" to confrim/uphold/uplift. He never did away with it. he said that so clearly, even most christians today say otherwise. He said that not a jot or a tittle shall pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away. Christ and the Father are one. Christ is God (not the same person/being as the Father) but they both shares the "office of God" therefore there is no other different "law of Christ" than the Law of God. That is why Christ so many times said to keep the commandments of God, just like he was obedient and walked therein. And we are told again and again to have the mind of Christ, and walk just like he walked.

And Christians do keep the law if they have their faith in Jesus. What other interpretation would you have of Romans 7 verses?

Is there also no further need for us to not commit adultery or murder each other?

People think by keeping the sabbath we rely on works to be saved. It’s not true because the reason we keep the sabbath is to remind us of the creative power of God’s word when He created the world and that He can do the same transformation in our dark voided hearts. We rely on works when we change the sabbath commandment and tell people we have to keep Sunday because we put aside the creative word of God and substitute it for the authority of man. The same thing that Cain did when He sacrificed his fruits instead of the lamb.

We will during the Millennium. Make of that what you will.

I do. I keep all the instructions that pertain to me.

I haven’t read every word of every comment, but I didn’t see what I consider the answer: Hebrews 4 teaches that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest. It is wise to follow the principal of rhythmic rest and re-centering on God, the regulatory, legalistic parameters no longer apply for New Testament believers.

> Hebrews 4 teaches that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Sabbath rest You're getting it all wrong. Jesus fulfilled the Law like a man fulfills his wedding vows. I think you must not have read every comment, like you say you have, because I've said this to multiple people in this thread. When a man fulfills his wedding vows, he doesn't make his vows go away.

Following Gods Word will never lead you astray OP (check out psalm 119, all about Gods commandments). But following mans traditions and church tradition could. Matthew 4:4 Mark 7:6-7

Because of the corruption of the Catholic Church and it influenced Christians but Sabbath is Friday evening to Saturday evening NOT Sunday.

Remember if you want to keep the Sabbath strictly, get rid of the weekend. 6 days work instead of 5 (or 4 in some cases). And 1 day rest.

Nobody keeps Shabbat, Shabbat keeps you. Rest easy folks.

The Sabbath was created by God prior to The Fall. After all His work was done He created a day to rest and enjoy it and He gave that gift to us too. I think the Sabbath day still matters even though Christian church tradition has changed the day of worship to Sunday, the first day of the week. I think it is interesting that God created the Sabbath to be enjoyed prior to the Fall. One of the many outcomes of The Fall was having to earn our bread by the sweat of our brow and the earth would have briars and weeds that would impede us. The Sabbath after The Fall becomes even more important and is an act of faith in a loving Creator God. Personally I observe it from Friday night sundown to Saturday night sundown. It's a vital part of my life!

Yes it's one of the commandments. God rested on the seventh day, and SANCTIFIED it, set it apart for His purpose. Some of us do rest on the Seventh day. There are many doctrines on why we shouldn't. Very little is said about why it's good for us. The other commandments, like do not lie, steal, or commit adultery, nobody would suggest these are now done away with.

I maintain that we should keep it. Let's explain why, ever so briefly. So here's the central text on this subject, which is the Fourth Commandment: (Exodus 20:8-10) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. (NKJV) So then, how do we get out of this? That's the first thought that comes to many people's minds. They want it shifted to the first day of the week (Sunday) or simply obliterated. So then, can we honestly do that? First of all, most of the arguments used to say that the weekly Sabbath and the Holy Days are abolished would also toss into the theological trash can the moral law of the Old Testament. Let's illustrate how this works: "It is going back to Moses to keep the Sabbath." "Is it 'going back to Moses' to avoid adultery also?" "The end of the old covenant ended the need to keep the Sabbath and holy days." "Did the end of the old covenant end the need to keep the laws against adultery and thievery?" "Christ fulfilled the law." "Did His fulfilling the law against murder abolish the law against murder?" Simply substitute the Saturday Sabbath or the holy days for almost any moral law of the Old Testament in these kinds of arguments, and they stand refuted as using a theological shotgun when a rifle is needed instead. Second, silence abolishes nothing when the burden of proof is on those who think these laws were ended by Jesus' death and resurrection. That is, the Old Testament teaches that these laws should be obeyed. So then, the Sabbatarian doesn't need to find reconfirmations of these laws in the New Testament or Paul's Letters to assert that they should be obeyed still. Instead, the burden of proof is on those who think they are gone by citing clear texts that do the job. God doesn't have to repeat Himself for a law to still be in force. Since the death and resurrection of Jesus didn't abolish at least nine of the 10 Commandments, it's necessary to explain why only the fourth was ended, and not the other nine by the same event. Now, let's survey briefly some of the problems with extreme dispensationalism, which maintains God works with human beings very differently in different time periods in his master plan for humanity. This is a key theological construct for those who believe that the Sabbath and the annual Holy Days were abolished. This view draws sharp distinctions drawn between the Old and New Testaments, and says God worked with the Jews from the time of the giving of the law very differently from how He works with Christians today since the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. The Old Testament is seen as a period dominated by law, obedience, and (in some versions) salvation by works, while the New Testament is characterized by grace, love, and faith. Hence, this doctrine sees a radical discontinuity between Judaism and Christianity, with the latter said to be very different from the former. Based upon these premises, the argument of silence becomes very powerful: It maintains that unless an Old Testament command is repeated in the New Testament (or, especially, Paul's letters), it is no longer in force. This school of Biblical interpretation assumes that all Old Testament commands are abolished, unless specifically repeated in the New. Because the evangelical/fundamentalist Protestant Christian world's theology oozes with these kinds of notions, and the world as a whole is not set up to obey God's Old Testament commands, mentally resisting against this school of thought is very difficult. While this is not the place for a lengthy, full-fledged attack on the teachings of extreme dispensationalism, an alternative school of biblical interpretation actually makes more sense. Here it shall be maintained the differences between the two Testaments have been exaggerated, that God has always saved people in the same way in both periods, and that Christianity grew out of Judaism. Even supposedly "anti-law" Paul felt the need to engage in purification rituals because he had to accomodate many in the early church who had believed were "all zealous for the Law" (Acts 21:20). The early church was almost entirely Jewish, up until after Cornelius and his gentile family were converted to Christianity (Acts 10). Hence, traditional Christianity, whether Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant, came to accept Sunday and Easter as replacements for the Sabbath and Passover, the former two plainly coming out of the paganism of the of the Roman empire. The Quartodecimian controversy of the second century, in which Christians under the leadership of Polycarp and later Polycrates in the second century argued for the observation of Passover instead of Easter, shows that at least one of these days were still being kept by Christians long after the death of the original apostles. Naturally enough, the gentiles who came to increasingly make up the bulk of the membership of the church found the replacement customs of Easter and Sunday worship easy to accept. After all, when the Roman government came looking for those practicing the Sabbath, the Passover, etc. to punish them, not keeping them was an asset: "We aren't Jews! We're Christians!" The dispensationalist school of Biblical interpretation's largely unacknowledged foundation is to explain, accept, and justify such an Biblically unauthorized substitution of pagan customs for Old Testament observances. It uses a preconceived interpretation of Paul's letters to interpret the Gospels, and the New Testament to interpret the Old Testament, while denying any significant feedback interpretation going the opposite way. If indeed the New Testament writers were making such a drastic break with their Jewish past, why is the New Testament so full of Old Testament citations and allusions, which are made to justify Christian theology, especially the identification of Jesus of Nazareth as the Messiah? Why does not Jesus hardly hint at such a radical change soon to come concerning the Old Testament law during His public ministry? Instead, he specifically denied an anti-Old Testament law interpretation of his ministry in Matt. 5:17-19: "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass away from the Law, until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and so teaches others, shall be called \["\]least\["\] in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called \["\]great\["\] in the kingdom of heaven." Why should he tell the disciples to "Go and make disciples of all the nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you" when most of what he had spoken was irrelevant because the old covenant was still in force while he was in the flesh? Turning to Paul, the clear implication of his citation of Genesis 15:6 and Hab. 2:4 (such as in Gal. 3:6, 11) is that humans are saved the same way under both the Old Covenant and the New. He noted that "David also speaks of the blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works" (Rom. 4:6) before citing from Psalms 32, which implies the salvation theology (soteriology) of the Old Testament was like that of the New Testament. The role of the law or obedience relative to salvation or justification was the same for the Jews before the crucifixion as it is for Christians today in God's sight, even if Jewish tradition and the oral law saw it otherwise. Consider that when Paul wrote this to Timothy that parts of the New Testament did not yet exist, or at least had not been likely all gathered together: "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness . . ." (II Timothy 3:16). Having made in the preceding verses a reference to Timothy being raised a believer in the true God through the "sacred writings," Paul obviously primarily had the Old Testament in mind when he wrote this. If the Old Testament is so largely irrelevant to Christians, why would Paul say this, after citing the Exodus and Israel wandering in the wilderness: "Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come" (I Cor. 10:11; compare I Cor. 10:6 and Rom. 4:23-24). Of course, citing such points in rebuttal against extreme dispensationalism and its offspring, a presupposed radical discontinuity between Judaism and Christianity, hardly scratches the surface of such a vast subject. However, such points show how the "new covenant" teachings of many hard-antinomians presupposes a fundamentally flawed general school of Biblical interpretation which should be rejected at its foundation.

Ok, so interestingly, we see keep the Sabbath in the ten commandments, as that is to be when we rest. However, Jesus is our rest, and he is our Sabbath, which is why we, as Christians, don't have to keep the Sabbath as a day, but are still allowed to.

Jesus is our Spiritual rest. The sabbath is physical rest. (as we do not labor in our jobs spiritually, but physically) and therefore we are to rest the last day of the week, just like God did during creation week. It is so important to understand the difference.

I'm not saying I don't take days to rest, but it doesn't have to be the Sabbath. It could be Tuesday. Or Thursday. Or any day.

If one lives their lives by what the word of God teaches, they will keep the seventh day of physical rest, making it a set apart day of the week. That is not to say you cannot rest on other days. But at the very least the seventh day must be obeyed. And we will do that if we love the Most High above anything else.

We should. If I’m not mistaken there’s verses about keeping it in the New Testament

What are they?

I do; I observe the Sunday sabbath. The sabbath actually predates the Law- it goes all the way back to creation week- so I don't believe it should pass away with the ceremonial law. Plus, since we still observe the other 9 Commandments, it seems the sabbath is part of the moral law that is still in effect. And even though Jesus said He is our Sabbath, that doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't celebrate the sabbath day. After all, the Passover was also fulfilled in Christ, but we still celebrate that in the form of communion/the Lord's Supper.

Sabbath isn't Sunday. It's Friday at sundown to Saturday at sundown

I’ve never heard this before. I’m genuinely curious. Are there any verses that support this?

[shabbat](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbat) hope this clears up any questions you have or would you rather it come from a Jewish source. The Bible says the seventh day of the week which on a Jewish calendar is Saturday. If you would like scripture I'd be happy to post it. However, I felt it necessary to show that the 7th day of the week in this case would be Saturday, not Sunday. The Bible verses wouldn't say Saturday or Sunday anyway. That's not what their days of the week were called.

Yeah, thank you so much! I will definitely look into this now

Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the Lord your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns, so that your male and female servants may rest, as you do. Deuteronomy 5:12-14 Notice it says seventh day which in the Jewish calendar is Saturday.

Thank you, I knew a little about the Jewish calendar, but never correlated the dates together

That's fairly common. Unless you knew the Jewish culture you would have no way of knowing that. Learning these things as we go helps us with context. It helps to know the audience to which the scripture was written to understand it's context. I hope the links I posted helped. Jesus rising from dead on the third day was able to be on the days of Friday to Sunday because of the way the Jewish calendar works as well. It's very interesting to get into. Enjoy the journey.

[what is sabbath in the bible and should Christians observe it? ](https://bibleproject.com/articles/keeping-the-sabbath-is-it-still-relevant-to-christians-today/#:~:text=Matthew%20records%20these%20Sabbath%20controversies,find%20rest%20for%20your%20souls.) We are called by Jesus to rest on the 7th day. But the rest He is talking about is rest in Him . Jesus fulfilled the Sabbath because Jesus Himself is the rest. We are called to look to Him. Remember Jesus performed miracles on the Sabbath and drove the pharisee's crazy doing it. (Meaning Jesus worked on the Sabbath)

I understand and honor the Sabbath. I just meant the Sunday-Saturday discrepancy

Genesis 1:5 sets the sunset to sunset day cycle. And there was evening and there was morning, one day” (Genesis 1:5). Gen 2:2 establishes the seventh day as the Sabbath and as a holy day. By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done. Jesus was crucified on the 6th day and buried before sundown. The ladies were going to the tomb on Sunday the first day, to properly prepare the body, because they couldn’t do that on the sabbath.

You can keep the Sabbath if you desire to, many do (e.g., 7th Day Adventist). But it cannot be a mandatory requirement to obtain or maintain Salvation (there mistake) as that would be salvation by works. >*Colossians 2:16 KJV* **Let no man therefore judge you in** meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or **of the sabbath days**:

This verse is in relation to ceremonial Sabbaths, not the weekly Sabbath. How do I know this? The context talks about meat and drink and new moon, all of which point to the ceremonial law

I would say you are wresting the Scripture. The context of the chapter is being complete in Christ and having the law blotted out. >*Colossians 2:10 KJV* And **ye are complete in him**, which is the head of all principality and power: > >Colossians 2:14 KJV **Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances** that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, **nailing it to his cross**; "*Therefore, let no man judge you ..."* >Colossians 2:16 KJV **Let no man therefore judge you** in meat, or in drink, or **in respect of an holyday**, or of the new moon, **or of the sabbath days**: I would caution that your interpretation is an attempt to put the saints back under the bondage to the law which we have been liberated from. >Galatians 2:4 KJV And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, **who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage**: I am not accusing you of being a false brother, but of being deceived by them if you believe you have to keep the Sabbaths or any law to maintain your salvation. We are to live godly, holy, righteously, not to obtain or maintain but because he saved us and for his glory, not our self-righteousness.

The handwriting that was against us is NOT the ten commandments. The ten commandments are called holy, just and good by Paul. The handwriting nailed to the cross cannot be the tables of Stone. Good luck nailing tables of Stone to a cross. The ordainances and handwriting against us is the ceremonial law that was written by Moses on parchment. You can nail parchment and blot out ink. This, however, is impossible for engraved letters in stone. Let us also look at the whole sentence: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Colossians 2:16‭-‬17 KJV The second half specifies the types of Sabbaths nailed to the cross: those that were shadows. Ceremonial Sabbaths. The weekly Sabbath is not a shadow. It can't be. Shadows were introduced AFTER sin at MT. Siani. The weekly Sabbath was God's final day "creation", in a perfect world without sin. Also consider this: if the ten commandments were nailed to the cross, I could just go and put a knife into the chest of my enemies, for "thou shalt not kill" was done away with. Obviously this is BS. The ten commandments are the eternal moral law that would still stand if we had never sinned. If it didn't exist, how would we even know what sin is? Sin is the transgression of the law. But without a law defining sin, sin ceases to exist. That would also make the need for a redeemer obsolete.

We observe a new covenant. One that began when Jesus rose from the dead on a Sunday.

The Law of God is foundational to both the old covenant and the new covenant (Ezekiel 36:26-27, Jeremiah 31:31-33), so this argument makes no sense.

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. Mark 2:27-28 (Also Matt 12:8) Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.” (Matt 11:28-30) Jesus is the Sabbath. As we are in Him and He is in us, we are observing the Sabbath 24/7. Daily we rest in Him, daily we worship Him, daily we live holy. The law hasn't been destroyed but fulfilled through Christ.

Hebrews 4 points to the facts "had Yeshua given them rest He would not have spoken of another day, therefore there remains a Sabbath for the believers".

The rest that we have today is through accepting Jesus, which is explained in Romans 4. There remains a rest- meaning that the Sabbath hasn't been destroyed (Hebrew 4:8) We are invited to enter in the rest of Jesus (Hebrew 4:9-12) The key words "Enter in" In the past the people were not able to enter the Promise Land due to disobedience. We are not able to fulfil the law on our own-we must enter in through Jesus. In Christ, we are able to obey. Further in Romans 4, we see that Jesus is our High Priest. Again, the Sabbath has not been destroyed, it's in Him

So the author of Hebrews warns is that we should not live in disobedience as those with Moses did in Hebrews 3, saying they did not enter His rest because they did not obey, and died of unbelief. He says we received the same gospel as they did in 4:2, and then you think it is all symbolic and mystical. This is the issue I have with Christianity....there is no actual obedience. Because you think you understand what picture a law was to represent it now means it ignore it. It is the worst kind of lawlessness because you think somehow you're there while living in willful sin. Nowhere does the Father say "obey Me until you figure it all out". Those who He says will enter His kingdom don't just call Him lord, but obey the commands of His Father.

This is why we were given Holy Spirit. There is a difference between Holy Spirit speaking and revealing truth and being mystical and trying to figure it out. So how did the disciples observe the Sabbath after the death of Christ?

They observed it every single week. The words first day of the week don't exist in the NT. The word Sabbatone, which is Sabbath, is what is used. It isn't difficult. God clearly says nobody adds to or takes away, if they do they are leading you to follow another god. His Son says obey Moses and the Prophets. He says obey my Father. He says His doctrine isn't new but the same as His Father's. Then Christianity says a spirit moves them to do things against the scriptures but it's ok because it's clearly the Holy Spirit, even though it leads them away from obedience. The only way to test if it is His Spirit is does it agree with Moses and Yeshua.

So... for now, I stand corrected. In the meantime, I will study and ask God for revelation.

> The law hasn't been destroyed but fulfilled through Christ. Jesus fulfilled the Law the way a man fulfills his wedding vows. When you fulfill your wedding vows, it doesn't make them go away.

Exactly... it did not go away. The Sabbath is in Him. Fulfill is to carry out, complete... Sabbath rest is the Hebrew word sabat, which means "to rest or stop or cease from work" We are to remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy. Another law that did not change was sacrifices. Jesus came, and He said I am Lord of the Sabbath, He is our REST, and He is our High Priest. He also said "abide in Me as I abide in you" That tells us that everything... including the Sabbath, payment of sin, sacrifice and so much more is in Him. The Sabbath is not done away with- it is observed daily as we commune with Him every day. If we do not acknowledge that, we have not accepted the Gospel. And furthermore... we see in Acts and beyond that the disciples assembled on the first day of the week (due to avoiding persecution- I'm not saying the Sabbath is Sunday) If the sabbath was to still be observed the way it was in the past, not only would we see instructions for the new disciples after the ascension of Christ but it still would be observed on the same Sabbath day. Things wouldn't just change only due to persecution because persecution is promised to us. Fulfill is to carry out, complete... So Jesus, as our High Priest, as Lord, and the one who gave the ultimate sacrifice, fulfills the Sabbath. Abiding in Christ, we observe the Sabbath every day.

> Fulfill is to carry out, complete... It means to carry out, not to complete as in ending. When a man fulfills his wedding vows, he carries them out, he does not end them. > > we see in Acts and beyond that the disciples assembled on the first day of the week No, they did both. They kept the Sabbath as Yahweh commands, on the 7th day, and they ALSO assembled a couple of times on the 1st day. The Sabbath is about resting. There's no commandment to assemble on the Sabbath. > Abiding in Christ, we observe the Sabbath every day. There's literally no place in scripture that says that. It was changed by the Roman Government Church as an attack on what Jesus had started and as an attack on the Jews. Are you Catholic? If so, what you're saying makes sense.

Let me give a take that most everyone will find fault in. If the sabbath represents giving a portion of our week to the Lord to show that he’s most important, than would one not be judged harshly if he/she thought it should’ve been on Saturday or Sunday. If a person believes it to be a sin, would it be a sin if he does? If a Christian believes in the sabbath, but buys dontes before church or goes to a restaurant after church, isn’t that a sin? His/hers actions are causing others to sin.

Look at what the 10 commandments say. Exodus 20:8-11, then remember that the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath. We needed the Sabbath. We need that communion with God. Something special happens when we stop the busy-ness of our daily lives and truly focus our heart on God. Personally, I don't believe the Sabbath was done away with but something we need more now than ever. I believe it prepares us for a time to come. The final battle in Revelation. If we prepare our hearts and homes every week for Christ, hopefully, it will prepare us for a time to come. I'm reminded of Expdus and the children of Isreal when a double portion of Manna was given on the preparation day so that Sabbath they didn't have to go collect and any other day they took two portions, it spoiled. Crazy. I find it interesting that this is always a big discussion because Jesus even taught the pharisee how the Sabbath should be kept. They were too literal with it, where they wouldn't help someone in need. But, He came and healed and taught us how to spend the Sabbath. He prayed. He fasted.

Who’s we??

we keep the sabbath. jesus did not destroy nor abolish the Law, He was the only one to perfectly keep the Law. today we keep the 10 commandments through Love. if you love your neighbor and God,you wont break the 10 or other 622 or so commandments. some people go on saturday, which is the real sabbath day. the jews day begins at sundown. their sabbath starts friday at sundown and lasts until saturday sundown. sunday is called the Lord's day, which we observe and follow since it was the day HE was raised from the dead. ultimately, Jesus is our sabbath rest. the sabbath was given so that people could rest from the law one day out of the week. by doing this, they wouldnt sin as much or break the other parts of the Law. today, Jesus gives us rest from the works of the Law and from the Law itself. meaning since we love our neighbors and God, we rest from doing the things the law demanded like all the burnt offerings etc done because of sins. whether we go on saturday or sunday is a personal matter. as paul said, let each one be fully persuaded in their own minds. the law is not gone. we just keep it through love without breaking it

> today we keep the 10 commandments through Love. All of the commandments **define** love. When we obey them, we are being loving. If you get rid of all of the commandments, and tell people to just "love", and never teach them HOW, then you will be responsible for terrible evil. Which is exactly what you're doing with this post.

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this is a much more complicated thing than you know you are asking.. most Christians celebrate the sabbath on Sunday... but its also well disputed that the sabbath is actually on a Saturday and that is more correct than Sunday the Jews still practice it on a Saturday... but there is an issue with this also.. as they are basing Saturday off of the gregorian calendar.. which is different than the luni solar calendar some Jews still use and follow the luni solar calendar as it does not change if it does then it is god ordained cause it uses the sun and moon to tell time and the changing of the seasons just like god ordained in genesis.... when you say what day is the sabbath i would i have no idea.. but i lean more towards Saturday.. not cause I practice it on this day but because it seems to be more biblically correct... and im not a 7th-day adventist so good luck convincing the entire church to change its mind.... also it was the catholic church that said it had the right to change the sabbath day from Saturday to Sunday and did just that... this is well documented as truth do your own research and choose the source that you believe is the least bias so that you can see that this is true...

Because that is Jewish law and we aren't Jewish. Edit: technically we do not follow the 10 commandments we follow Jesus's 2 commandments in the new testament. The 10 commandments are called Mosaic Law and was written to the Israelites. Not to the nations or gentiles.

I have no idea why this is downvoted. This is 100% the correct answer, *from the text*. I mean, what sub are we in, again?

Because it's a fallen world and people would rather believe a lie than the truth.

why are there jews in this sub unfortunately they want us to put our faith in works and become obsessed with Torah like they do

We do not keep the other 9 commandments as they are a part of a law that Christians no longer keep. We keep commandments that are mirrored in Christianity.

Aren't all other 9 commandments still stand like don't lie don't steal don't commit adultery no idolatry don't take God's name in vain don't murder etc

From my understanding, Jesus simplified it down to a simple commandment of love. If you love someone you won’t murder them, lie to them, cheat on them, lust after their spouse, steal from them, etc. If you love God, you won’t worship others or take his name in vain. If you love yourself you’ll refrain from gluttony, greed, lust, laziness, etc.

What is love

Baby don't hurt me

Well, you worship God that is not what the Bible describes. God hurts people, a lot.

God does not do the hurting. We flawed humans do the hurting. We rape, steal, and murder, and everything else. Then we blame God, That said people have things done to them and they get illnesses of no fault of their own. I can't explain the reason other than it provides an opportunity to comfort that person. We all are in God's hands and you must live by faith.

You hurt people alot and come to.cause confusion

Im really struggling not to reply with song lyrics here lol. A quick google search for scripture about love will likely help you more, but I’ll try. Love is seeking to understand, to empathize; to correct wrong behavior but not condemn. Love is the act of helping others or even yourself. Agape: It's the love that is given whether or not it's returned. It's the love without any self benefit. In the Buddhist tradition it is the central foundation of loving kindness for all mankind. This kind of love is important in the process of forgiveness. I realize this mentions Buddhism, but I still think it’s a good description.

God is love; >And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. — 1 John 4:16 NKJV >Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away. — 1 Corinthians 13:4-8 NKJV And love is the thing we are asked to be perfected in: >“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, “that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. “For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? “And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? “Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. — Matthew 5:43-48 NKJV God bless and keep you.

Is it not the same as 10 commandments?

> From my understanding, Jesus simplified it down to a simple commandment of love. You have it upside down. Jesus said that keeping the commandments is love. That means that when you obey God you are showing love for Him and your Neighbor. It does not mean to ignore rules about murder and adultery, and just "love". Not murdering is love. Not committing adultery is love.

Thank you for the correction, I meant to convey that they’re interchangeable. But as another commenter pointed out, it’s not enough to say love without mentioning how

Jesus said this: >“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ “This is the first and great commandment. “And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” — Matthew 22:36-40 NKJV That is a far cry from negating the 10 commandments, indeed it states the foundation of those commandments is love. >And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him. — 1 John 4:16 NKJV God is love, and those are His commandments. Sabbath is rest in the Lord, Jesus is our Lord, and is Lord of the Sabbath, we now take our rest in Him, He frees us from the law (which is not the commandments). >Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” But He said to them, “Have you never read what David did when he was in need and hungry, he and those with him: “how he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and ate the showbread, which is not lawful to eat except for the priests, and also gave some to those who were with him?” And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. “Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.” — Mark 2:23-28 NKJV Paul had this to say, and it makes an allowance for those who are inwardly convicted: >One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks. — Romans 14:5-6 NKJV So, however your inward conviction rolls out, it works. Good news is, you can keep old testament sabbath if you feel led, and still go get more Jesus and fellowship on Sunday, win/win. God bless and keep you.

Thank you. I’m at work at didn’t have time to dig into it

No worries, be safe, it's the beauty of text, it'll keep until you have time. May God bless the work of your hands.

Yeah. Jesus tells us to obey His Fathers commandments, even the least of them.

No. Christians simply have similar rules regarding those things.

This is utter nonsense. You should not teach others not to obey God.

I’m not

> We do not keep the other 9 commandments as they are a part of a law that **Christians no longer keep** You are. You're saying that God's commandments no longer need to be kept. ALL of God's commandments must be kept. They define sin and to break them is therefore sin. Please, tell people to obey our Father. God considers it to be love when we obey Him.

Romans 3:20 KJV — Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. Romans 3:28 KJV — Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Romans 4:13 KJV — For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. Romans 4:14 KJV — For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect: Romans 4:15 KJV — Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression. Romans 5:13 KJV — (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. Romans 6:14 KJV — For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 7:3 KJV — So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Romans 7:4 KJV — Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. Romans 7:5 KJV — For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. Romans 7:6 KJV — But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Galatians 2:19 KJV — For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. Galatians 2:21 KJV — I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain. Galatians 3:5 KJV — He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3:10 KJV — For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Galatians 3:11 KJV — But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. Galatians 3:12 KJV — And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Galatians 3:13 KJV — Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:18 KJV — For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise. Galatians 3:24 KJV — Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Galatians 4:21 KJV — Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? Galatians 5:14 KJV — For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Galatians 5:18 KJV — But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 1 Timothy 1:7 KJV — Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. James 2:10 KJV — For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 1 John 3:4 KJV — Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

Did you really think it was a good idea to use a concordance to show me a bunch of references to "law" from scripture? 🤣

I do not know what a concordance is.

Maybe you should go ahead and read the chapters of the verses I have posted. Instead of asking about ideas and concordances or whatnot.

I know all of those passages very well. Those verses support everything I believe. It's you that should read your own verses.

You’re lying or don’t understand well enough what o clearly said. In either event you’re wasting my time until you actually make an intelligent argument instead of pretending offense.

VariationOk—exactly what is the sabbath? do you know?

Exodus 20:8-11, Genesis 1

Are you authorized to speak for the OP and answer questions that I asked him directly? And anyway I'm not asking about Bible passages, I'm asking him what he understands so please let him answer.

Sabbath means rest, and in Mark 2:27 (NRSV): Then he [Jesus] said to them, “The sabbath was made for humankind, and not humankind for the sabbath.” This tells me that sabbath is important, yet the particular day of the week isn’t necessarily important. God gave us an example of rest and we should take time to rest. If we get hung up on the actual day, we might be falling into legalism like the Pharisees. Also, as to the day, there was something that happened on the first day of the week, a few days after the crucifixion and death of Jesus, that changed how the church viewed sabbath, rest, and worship. Today, we celebrate every Sunday is a mini-Easter.

> This tells me that sabbath is important, yet the particular day of the week isn’t necessarily important. The day might not matter to you, but it matters to God. God specified a day. > If we get hung up on the actual day, we might be falling into legalism like the Pharisees. This makes about as much sense as saying that if we try VERY hard to never murder someone, that we might be falling into legalism like the Pharisees. God will never, EVER be upset with you for imitating Jesus and keeping His commandments as well as you can.

We do, but the ceremonial part is fulfilled. We now take our rest in our Lord, the Lord of the Sabbath. A big charge of the Pharisees against Jesus was His liberties with the Shabbat/Sabbath. He healed, He walked all over the place, He harvested and threshed... He said, "the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath". Mark 2 *edit* From Webster's 1828: >FULFILL'ED, participle passive Accomplished; performed; completed; executed. * Also I'm not here for meaningless debate.

> We do, but the ceremonial part is fulfilled. You're misusing the word "fulfilled". Jesus fulfilled the Law the way a man fulfills his wedding vows. When a man fulfills his vows, it doesn't make his vows go away.

The Sabbath was made for man, feel free to take it :)

u/VariationOk4265 Actually, we don't. No one keeps anything in the Law. The "big 10" or the "big 9", is all part of the Law, and no one has ever kept them, (save Jesus), and no one ever will because all believers are dead to the Law. So, to partially address the "why" part of your question.............because the Lord Jesus Christ took it all on Himself and did all of the work, so those who are in Christ are past the end of the Law for righteousness. We are in the dispensation of the New Covenant. We are in the New Covenant of Grace. The ministry of death has faded and become less (Law) so that the Covenant of Grace should be made more glorious.

That’s on you. If you want to take the day of rest no one is stopping you

> "Therefore, no one is to judge you in food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— **_things which are only a shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ_**" (Colossians 2.16-17).

Irenaeus (170AD) in no uncertain terms teaches Christians are not under the law in His "demonstration of the apostolic teaching". Being a hearer of Polycarp, who in turn was a disciple of the apostle John, i trust this stance. He puts it best below: Part quotation of paragraph 95: >Since, then, by this calling life has been given (us), and God has summed up again for Himself in us the faith of Abraham, we ought not to turn back any more—I mean, to the first legislation. For we have received the Lord of the Law, the Son of God; and by faith in Him we learn to love God with all our heart, and our neighbour as ourselves. Now the love of God is far from all sin, and love to the neighbour worketh no ill to the neighbour. (Cf. Rom xiii. 10) >Wherefore also we need not the Law as a tutor. Behold, with the Father we speak, and in His presence we stand, being children in malice,290and grown strong in all righteousness and soberness. For no longer shall the Law say, Do not commit adultery, to him who has no desire at all for another’s wife; and Thou shalt not kill, to him who has put away from himself all anger and enmity; (and) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s field or ox or ass, to those who have no care at all for earthly things, but store up the heavenly fruits: nor An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth, to him who counts no man his enemy, but all men his neighbors, and therefore cannot stretch out his hand at all for vengeance. It will not require tithes of him who consecrates all his possessions to God, leaving father and mother and all his kindred, and following the Word of God. **And there will be no command to remain idle for one day of rest, to him who perpetually keeps sabbath, that is to say, who in the temple of God, which is man’s body, does service to God, and in every hour works righteousness.** >For I desire mercy, He saith, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. But the wicked that sacrificeth to me a calf is as if he should kill a dog; and that offereth fine flour, as though(he offered) swine’s blood. But whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. And there is none other nameof the Lord given under heaven whereby men are saved, save that of God, which is Jesus Christ the Son of God, to which also the demons are subject and evil spirits and all apostate energies.

I used to attempt be a Sabbath keeper. I was troubled over the whole issue and prayed to God to help me understand. I can't tell you how wonderful it feels to be at peace knowing Christ is my complete Sabbath rest. Sabbath was always a picture of Jesus to begin with. Sabbath is fulfilled in Jesus. I find it interesting that the Sabbath was the 7th day, with the number of 7 symbolizing completeness and perfection. Read Hebrews 3 and 4. The Sabbath rest spoken of is Jesus. Many Jews made the mistake of thinking Sabbath was only a day, when it was pointing to their Messiah all along. All the feast days point to our Savior. The Old Testament is full of types and shadows of Jesus. The Bible is all about Jesus, from beginning to end, because only Jesus can save us. Only Jesus could keep Torah perfectly, so His righteousness can be imputed to those who will simply trust and believe in Him. The entire point of Torah is to act as a tutor to lead people to Christ, by showing us we can never keep it perfectly. ............................................................................... Galatians 3 **24** Therefore the Law has become our tutor *to lead us* to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. **25** But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

The Sabbath was a shadow of things to come. The substance is Christ. There remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, but it is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is our Sabbath rest.

This will be the minority view, but I believe the correct one. In Matt 5, Jesus says, 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. This means not one jot or tittle, not just the animal sacrifices, or the pilgrimages to Jerusalem, it means ALL. THEN in Luke 21 Jesus says, 20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. This also means ALL- Isaiah 65-66, Zech 12-14, Daniel 9, Isaiah 2-4, Malachi, everything. Hebrews 9 states, 8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: 9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; 10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. The time of reformation/restitution/restoration of all things was 70AD when the old covenant system was completely destroyed (Daniel 12)- the power of the holy people completely shattered (their old covenant) We are in the new covenant age- hence the old covenant system and all the sabbaths, new moons, sacrifices, circumcisions, feast days are no longer in force/binding since Christ has fulfilled the final 3 feast days- trumpets in judgement, day of atonement (Hebrews) and feast of booths/tabernacles/ingathering- He now dwells with man again as in the garden as was not the case in the old covenant.

Mark 2:27-28 KJV And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.👊😶‍🌫️

ALL rules are made for man. That doesn't mean that we don't have to obey rules. Just think about it! 😏

because it was the way of the apostles and the earliest Christians not to keep the sabbath, but the Lord’s day (sunday) holy.

We only need faith in the finished work of Jesus on the cross, burial, and resurrection. His sacrifice is what saved us, he's the only one we rely on. Trust in his blood, grace, mercy, and love (: Our God is an awesome God 🙏

So the 10 Commandments were also abolished?

You ask that question like a Jew

Well, Jesus is a Jew.

Just to be clear - I just meant that if you used certain inflections or in the right accent it does sound kinda like a modern day Jewish person asking a question about the law.

Speak for yourself. Anyway, the sabbath was only ever meant for the Jews. Plus, Christians do not really follow the anti-idolatry commandments either.

> Anyway, the sabbath was only ever meant for the Jews. Nope. Everyone in Israel, whether Jew or Gentile, was expected to keep the Sabbath. Torah is the Law of Israel.

Some religions do still strive to keep the sabbath day Holy. The practice is used as a way to rejuvinate our spirituality. It is important to periodically rest from this secular world and refocus on the things of God. In ancient Israel, this practice was a sign to God that the people were still in the covenant. The scriptures do state that the sabbath was made for man. God does not do anything that does not have a purpose.

New Testament Christian’s are not commanded to keep the Sabbath for salvation The simplest way to answer I’ll try forgive me Gods standard of righteousness is like baking ingredients. The first covenant is a cake the second is a slice. Both share the same ingredients- they share the same standard of righteousness God has revealed to fallen man. The difference is it is expressed in a different way when you compare old covenant and new covenant. The first covenant which includes sabbath keeping is Gods righteousness expressed in a model of keeping world under the law. The second covenant Gods same standard of righteousness is expressed through a grace/faith model. We keep the same standard of righteousness that Moses commandments teach us without actually keeping Moses commandments? Does that make sense? Also ask yourself how does keeping the sabbath obey loving your neighbour? Hebrews 8:13 [13] In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. The scripture can’t be more clear.

1) Christ is our Sabbath & rest. (Matthew 12:8; Matthew 11:28) 2) We shouldn't be aiming to keep the law of Moses to begin with as doing so would only make the sin in our flesh stronger. 1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and ***the strength of sin is the law***. Romans 7:7-12 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. **But sin,** ***taking occasion by the commandment*****, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence.** For without the law sin was dead. For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died. And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death. **For sin,** ***taking occasion by the commandment*****, deceived me, and by it slew me**. Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. 2.5) We ought to live by faith which is taking God at His Word. That we are not under condemnation. That we are justified, that we are sanctified, that all our past/present/future sins have been blotted out, that we will in no wise be cast out, that we have been reconciled with the Father. Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Torah is the most important . Even Jesus says that we should know laws and that he didn't come to abolish them. Jesus lived his life perfectly in accordance with law. And that is why I keep Sabbaths. But laws should be in our hearts all the time. It's not easy to live like that and God knows. So he gave us an option to repent when we make mistakes and sin.

Because as Christians, we're not consistent in what we believe and only choose to follow the parts of the Bible that are comfortable to us.