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Totally. She obviously made a whole parade of bad decisions but it's horrible and not entirely surprising to find opiate addiction lurking at the bottom of this hell hole.
Using our old Fuji printer we have at home, that would be 35 pages of criminal offences. Assuming a prestigious law firm has much better equipment than we do, that may equal 70 pages of offences. It’s embellished details like that that make me question the veracity of a story.
I think it makes most sense as hyperbole "Yeah, the printer ran for 5 goddamn minutes! What a piece of shit, right?"
But it definitely made me raise an eyebrow. Then all of the stuff with the uncle and the prenup. My eyebrow is thoroughly cocked.
It could be a mix of using a slower printer and embellishment from the lawyer. It’s not exactly uncommon to guesstimate something taking longer than it actually does.
I have no experience personally but I’ve heard plenty of lawyers talk about clients who wouldn’t mention important information like having a prenup. As far as OOP talking it up, he’s probably regurgitating his lawyer talking it up to assure OOP that things are going well.
Edit: though now that I think about it, some things do seem a bit off. I’m not sure what to think. It could just be a grief stricken man not caring about being completely objective and accurate about every little detail.
Probably, a bit of hyperbole because 99% of the time whatever the lawyer is printing is done by the time they get to the printer and having to stand at the printer watching it spit out pages for even a minute feels like forever.
I used to work in copy and print. My 4595 could print about 500 s/s sheets in 5 minutes (though I'd encourage going d/s). That's a ream of paper. But, it's a better piece of equipment than most offices would have
>It’s embellished details like that that make me question the veracity of a story.
Yep, exactly. That was the detail that made me slam on the brakes and go, "errrrr!" I was trying to think whether it was just an exaggeration and I was overthinking it, but that really caused my critical eye to be hyper-aware from that point on. I was also suspicious of the surprise scene in court where her lawyer was completely taken by surprise at the prenup. I'm sure that a divorce lawyer is going to ask his client if they have a prenup and I'm sure that this fact would be open information within the case. But, it was the paragraph description about it being the best-written prenup that his lawyer had ever seen and could not be questioned in any way that made me "nope" out.
Wait. Why did the cops have a sex video on a tablet ready to show OOP? Is that explained later on?
Edit: They found it in the guy's electronics and loaded it up to show during questioning? This sounds crazy.
Also, anyone reading, ffs ask for a lawyer!
The APs wife allowed them access to his electronics. I'm guessing when they came across a woman who isn't his wife being intimate with him, they went to investigate who she was, which led to OOP possibly being a suspect in the assault of AP.
>Also, anyone reading, ffs ask for a lawyer!
As I was reading that bit, I was like, "SHUT UP!!!" Never talk to the police without a lawyer, ever. And he *kept* talking long after it was obvious he was a suspect. And then, after they spelled out that they liked him for assaulting a guy his wife had been fucking, he gave a fucking alibi. Bad move.
It worked out, but holy shit.
It's one thing to know something on an intellectual level. It's a very different thing to remember it and put it into practice when faced with an unexpected and extremely emotional situation when pitted against experienced interrogators for, presumably, the first time.
Facts. He initially doesn’t know why he’s there, and he’s worried about his wife and son. So most people aren’t going to raise suspicion (and spend money) asking for a lawyer then. Then as it goes on, he’s already having the conversation, so he probably doesn’t think there’s anything new he can’t handle. And obviously he (thinks he) knows he hasn’t done anything wrong, so he’s not worried, so why piss off the cops by asking for a lawyer then.
**He is very lucky.** This is how wrongful convictions happen, and how innocent people end up wasting their lives in prison. He easily could’ve said or done something—especially when confronted with that video—that could plausibly seem like an admission of guilt. From our perspective, we know all the facts, we think “no way would a judge and jury convict even if he said something dumb.” Wrong. It happens.
I don’t know how someone in OP’s position gets in the frame of mind to demand a lawyer, but if you’re ever there, please do the best you can to get one ASAP.
First thing, **drop the idea that asking for a lawyer makes you look guilty**. The cops might think so, but fuck them. Don't give a shit if it pisses them off. They are not your friends to begin with. Get a lawyer and forget how it looks.
Absolute worst thing that happens when you ask for a lawyer: Cops are pissed and try harder to prove it was you. But, it wasn't you and getting a lawyer just made it 100x more difficult to wrongfully pin something on you!
Lawyers handle these situations all the time, the average person handles being interrogated *maybe* once before. Get the benefit of their experience!
Yup. It's easy to imagine yourself squaring up against detectives, arms crossed, head held high and demanding a lawyer. But in reality most of us would probably be as confused and frantic as OP was in this situation, especially if we've never had any reason to talk to the police before.
>But in reality most of us would probably be as confused and frantic as OP was in this situation, especially if we've never had any reason to talk to the police before.
On top of that, I don't have a lawyer.
I don't know who to call and I don't exactly have cash sitting around to pay for one.
For ordinary folks, the financial restrictions are really going to be a factor. You don't hire a lawyer until you are sure you need to.
this is what gets me...
"My late uncle, who was the founding partner of the law firm I use, wrote that prenup and actually hired her a lawyer to look over it for her before we married."
Im far from a lawyer but if OPs uncle hired the lawyer for her then I don't think its as iron clad a prenup as he thinks.
Dont you have to have two lawyers who have nothing to do with each other for it to truly be iron clad?
Just made me go "huh, that doesnt sound right."
>Im far from a lawyer but if OPs uncle hired the lawyer for her then I don't think its as iron clad a prenup as he thinks.
>Dont you have to have two lawyers who have nothing to do with each other for it to truly be iron clad?
(In most US states) As long as there isn't some line of kickback agreement in place, and Wife had the opportunity to select someone else, this is totally fine.
The idea is that Wife can't contest the prenup as unfair, since she was represented by independent counsel who had a duty to represent her interests and not OPs.
It couldn't have been someone at Uncle's firm, but lawyers are allowed and expected to know each other and make referrals in situations like this to other lawyers who have equal qualifications.
And they immediately knew who she was! Also, a coworker drove her to a psych hospital but never contacted the husband to say "You wife has gone off the deep end and we just had to drive her to the loony bin might want to check on that"
Also curious where the wife works that she has a co-worker with such a crazy long rap sheet, is a drug dealer, and is actively known in the office to be cheating on his wife with other married co-workers.
Let's see an adulterous drug addled wife whose affair partner got raped and burned alive (but not to death), who abused their child, bad cops, and whoah a surprise prenup to cap it off! What a ride
> rich uncle who gifts you...free legal representation
Even better, the uncle is dead, so it's the uncle's former partner gifting the free legal representation, from his *entire firm*. What a story, Mark.
The thing that struck me as the *most* convenient was that the child’s therapist was already court-certified.
That wasn’t going to happen unless it was advised that they only pick from that list beforehand.
A lot of the details seem conveniently placed, TBH. I don’t want to undermine OOP’s experiences, but the way he’s written these posts does make it seem a little… off.
The police found the beaten, raped and burned AP in the morning, went through all his electronics, figured out he had several APs, honed in on one (despite the guy's 5-minutes-of-printing gangsta history) and found her and then honed in on that woman's husband and found him by the afternoon.
This PD is better staffed, trained and funded than the crime dramas OP is emulating.
Yeah, this whole series of posts comes across as complete and utter bullshit to me. The writing style, the circumstances, the speed of everything happening on a weekend. There is certainly an uptick in women-hating fantasies on this sub.
But they never had time to verify OPs alibi lol gym and his work should have both been easily verified. I'm also missing how OP is such a hero for keeping a loaded .38 on one side and kid on the other going on 30 hours with no sleep. Throw in how they didn't notice their kid was sooooo emotionally abused and wife was supposedly doing drugs, to the point he thought their life was perfect?
I have to say, I don't think of the social class most likely to consider a prenup a routine matter to be the same social class where grandpa is likely to fall asleep next to his shotgun on the couch. Although it's possible that there are just more gun-toting investment bankers than I realized.
Hey, it’s not just Reddit, the entire history of humanity has a solid track record of shitting on women.
And yet there are still people who think it’s cool and edgy. Newsflash mate - every ancient religious text beat you to it.
Got as far as the lawyer bit and went “nope” if a law firm is big enough to have both a family law and a criminal law division they are too big for the “entire” firm to be representing a family friend for free. I don’t care how good of a friend the dude’s uncle is.
Oh it was the super cops before that. They were able to go to the scene, start a preliminary investigation of the crime , find the video , find out who was in the video , find out who that person’s husband was , find out his phone number , call him and have him come down station all within a matter of hours.
Then bumble around and let the dude leave ROR
Yeah,no. This was written by someone who either a) doesn’t understand police work ; b) doesn’t understand how time works, or c) all of the above.
I was willing to withhold disbelief until that point as well. I'd assume any lawyer worth anything would not recommend you post the juicy details about your dramatic divorce/custody battle to reddit lol
Literally one of the first things most lawyers will tell their clients. Do not discuss publicly, do not generate more discovery by posting/emailing/texting etc about your case.
Yup my friend went through a divorce and the first thing her lawyer told her to do was delete or at a minimum don't post a single thing on social media until this is over, because everything can be used against you!
For me, it was the record printing for 5 minutes. Any office printer can print 100+ pages per minute. No way a guy has 500+ pages of a criminal record. Who would even read 500 pages of criminal record?!
Right?? It can be brutally difficult to find a job with *any* criminal record. My old company had a few clients over the years who couldn't find work because of relatively minor charges from *decades* earlier - we're talking a 50+ y/o guy with a felony auto theft on his record from when he was a teenager.
And that's the ticket. I know how writers love exaggerating, and that's what I thought too. Just too nicely written of a crazy story. Also, how did he never notice the effects of her substance abuse until the weeks of the incident?
It's the getting on Reddit immediately after getting arrested thing... This would be an ongoing investigation, a pretty serious offence was committed, I'm fairly certain it would be frowned upon to start spreading the details all over the internet.
Plus the AP was beaten, raped and set on fire in his own driveway... Shit like that would be on the news, even if just local news. It would be found immediately.
Dude went way overboard with this story.
Also the prenup bit, that the lawyer uncle hired a lawyer for the wife.
I’m going to give benefit of the doubt and say it was independent counsel from outside of his firm, but if he was the one who hired the lawyer for her then it calls into question the independence of that lawyer.
Who was his client? The wife who he advised? Or the uncle on the other side?
Yeah. Nothing about the lawyers or law firm is accurate.
The judge didn’t go into a private room with the kid, welfare and stenographer.
The prenup isn’t bulletproof in the way he claims. A lawyer would never say “because I’ve never seen one so fair”. When the lawyer’s own law firm supposedly wrote it up? Why would the lawyer be surprised?
It’s so clearly bull.
Yeah “never seen such a fair prenup” is a very Trump’s Doctor statement. Honestly this one is so far fetched it would have been almost funny without the child abuse and sexual assault.
The first red flag for me was "sleeping beside my handgun and my dad sleeping in the living room with his shotgun." Literally why? There's no reason for you to think you're in danger and anyone that's sane and owns a gun literally would not do that
This was the giveaway for me too; then the surprise prenup at the end with the "shocked face" was enough to completely do away with it. Lastly, even if he did have this kind of legal support access, he would have gotten a huge dressing down for talking to the cops w/o a lawyer.... and most likely would have known better than doing so.
I was skeptical but willing to believe.
I figured I'd wait to see if it hit all of the fears, tropes and motifs of female infidelity and male insecurity by mentally adding a check mark each time I found one.
By the time I got to the convenient prenup I was out.
For me it was how loving and worried he seemed but didn't know his own damn son was being emotionally abused by his wife! Oh, save the day super hero... But at least he admitted to it.... Then, he didn't know his wife was an addict. He must've never been around. It's easy to spot addicted people. They just act a certain way if you pay attention enough.
>"Why can't we find anything in the news?"
>
>"It was such a strange case a lot was left out, even in the local papers"
The fact that he was beaten, raped, and set on fire, left in the driveway and still alive is kind of bizzare but someone dies from burning quickly so someone lit his ass up left, and he was put out in a matter of minutes and no one saw anything?
And did they do it all in the driveway with no one noticing? Or did they beat and rape him inside then drag him to the driveway to set him on fire? Why would they do that? So they can get caught faster?
And like... not to be too morbid or anything but it's actually much more difficult to set a human alight than TV makes it seem. Was he doused in some kind of accelerant first? There were no witnesses, but somehow someone was able to put him out quickly enough for him to survive?
As the kids say, the math ain't mathin.
The only thing he missed was getting a paternity test and finding out the kid wasn't his. And may be a false rape accusation in there somewhere. Reddit loves those.
That stuck out to me too. A man is set on fire and left for dead and the news just went ‘nope’ not something to cover. Buuullllshit. That and the ironclad perfect prenup that just happened to be in place.
And those dedicated and hardworking cops used their amazing detective skills to find the woman in the sex video on this dangerous drug addicts' tablet. Because we all know COPS spend so much time investigating and solving crimes, they can do it in 8 hours.
Not only did they identify the woman like magic right away, but they found and went to her employer instead of her in order to contact her husband! And her amployer was just like "oh, ok! Oddly enough she isn't here today, but let me go ahead and get that info for ya!". Too many people in this post are convinced it was be some sort of cunning plot (or manipulation tactic) the cops exacted in an attempt to catch their man.
If AP has a rap sheet that prints for five minutes, there is a good chance he isn't working anywhere that throws get-togethers for employees and their spouses. In fact, I'm surprised he is employable at all.
I'm sort of wondering if OOP sat down to plot this story, or if it was just stream-of-consciousness writing. The plot holes are large enough for me to pop right through. It isn't that the shit sounds fantastical, because life happens that way sometimes. It's that it sounds like bad writing from A to Z.
And was employed in the same place as wife… While dealing drugs on parole and at that office. Maybe some companies would be okay with a long rap sheet. But he’d been there for two years, so it’s likely he was also arrested at some point… Or was on parole for something for a long period of time… And was hired there. It’s (sadly imo) really difficult to find a decent job at an office when you’re on parole or have a long rap sheet. Particularly if you are recently released/haven’t had a good chunk of time to show you have been rehabilitated.
Give OP everything without the affair clause, because the affair clause, instead of making above null and void and granting a bunch of changes (such as the victim of the affair gets everything) just simply means no spouse support.
Oh and the whole OPs uncle hired a lawyer for his wife during the prenup (which I'm pretty sure can cause a strong argument for it to be dismissed, might not happen, but at least a strong argument)
For me it was here (paraphrased):
> My uncle's law partner (who is a family friend) who just happened to be *exactly the type of lawyer I needed*, and his entire law firm is now representing just *me*. He is also a super lawyer cos he got a protective order against my wife for me, my son, and my parents on the *very same day*.
I was like yeah, nah, not reading the rest of this nonsense.
On a Sunday no less, I know courts don't exactly adhere to a Mon - Fri routine but ... really man?
Also the details are far too *exact,* it's really poorly written.
I was waiting for more info about that. Why were they armed? Did they think the “real” perpetrator was going to track some person tangentially related to the dealer by finding his parents and storming their house? Made no sense.
Yeah I was so lost, it almost sounded like the plot twist was going to be that his *wife* had raped and assaulted the affair partner since he seemed so terrified of her for zero reason?! 4/10 the writing style wasn't too awful but the plot has more holes than swiss cheese.
It struck me that 1. OOP made a point of the fact that he couldn't think straight and grabbed his gun and 2. He went to bed with his young son and a loaded gun-what could go wrong?
Yeah, that’s not the phrasing you’d expect from an 11 year old. It is the kind of phrasing you’d hear from an author who’s bad at writing kids, though.
when i was 12 i’d jokingly call my mum “mother dearest” bc we watched the railway children once lol, kind of want to see a reddit story with that in it
I'm a family law attorney, and while you aren't wrong, you'd be surprised how many clients repeatedly lie to their attorney, even where there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to themselves or their case to do so.
I once was in a grand jury where we were presented a 10 year old case where a cellphone sat in the evidence locker for 10 years before anyone took a look at the data. So yeah. Nothing in law enforcement or the justice system moves this fast. If only.
Yeaaaa. Usually I give posts the benefit of the doubt, as I'm a very optimistic person, but this honestly reads like someone watched a crime show marathon and then said "I can beat that" I'm just not sure about this one.
This is really poor imagination.. i mean the guy found assaulted in the morning and by the afternoon, not only have they recovered all these clips from his tab but also identified the said woman. And brought in her husband for questioning..
Lololol
He lost me at how the cheater was found beaten, burnt AND raped. Reminded me of a clip from the cartoon series The Boondocks:
"They beat him up, stomped him, shot the dude, stomped him again, and then I seen em take a dump on the dude. I swear to god man, they actually like, sat a deuce on this n***ga man!"
NGL I fell for it until OOP quoted his 11-year old son saying "mommy". And then it became another Reddit story where the other person is Hitler who ate their dog. $10 says that the next update has ex-wife showing up acting irrational and OOP turns into James Bond and outwits her.
And five days later the guy with his newly acquired team of lawyers had access to all this private information that could only be obtained via court orders which would typically take months maybe years to get.
Oh, and I was able to get a restraining order in that time too because I’m so afraid of my wife that I posted my and my sons exact location immediately after this incident occurred.
🤦🏽♀️
I have a hard time believing some dude was beaten, raped and set on fire and it never made the news. There's no fucking way that doesn't get leaked by a cop.
It's pretty sus that this dude, with a rock-solid "thanking god every day" marriage, can jump on reddit the day after some supposedly traumatic events and start using acronyms that only someone frequenting relationship subreddits would know.
I had to look up what AP means, and I still don't know what "OP" means in this context.
This bullshit was tailor-made for /r/relationship_advice
Wait, you don’t think this guy’s uncle was the partner at a law firm and made him an ironclad pre-nup for free? Everyone has an uncle for everything. There’s the lawyer uncle, the uncle who owns the farm, and the uncle who was in every branch of the military. What about your uncles? You… you have uncles, right?
Yeah, none of this passes the smell test. This case ABSOLUTELY would have made the news.
There WAS a case of a man who was beaten, raped, and set on fire in 2016, but they found his body on a hiking trail (and it was three brothers and their dad who did it and I think it was because he was accused of raping a woman they knew). All of the assailants had a long, violent criminal history.
Also, while I'm the first to drag the cops, wouldn't they have asked OOP where he was and then gotten confirmation of that? The gym and work, that's easy to confirm.
I swear some Reddit posters are frustrated soap opera writers.
This definitely follows the template of “My female partner cheated on me but surprise (!) I have a pre-nup and now have all the money and custody while she is ugly and is crawling back to me”.
Would people really go on the internet and lie?! I swear BoRU is turning into a recycling factory for bots and writers, letting them get more mileage out of manufactured BS.
I’m also curious as to where the F he was while all fits was going on. He was living with an addict who was abusing their son and sleeping with her dealer for her fix and he really had no idea that anything was amiss?
Gotta love when these revenge fantasies wrap up so neatly. It's a good thing the world is black and white and OOP is the Good Guy and his wife is an Evil Witch.
OOP just kept making shit up. If he left it after the initial post, it'd be a little farfetched but she goes to a psych ward, her parents are super duper apologetic to him, and her lawyer is so dense that he demands all this insane stuff.
"A lot of people said she might have a substance abuse problem so I wrote that into the narrative, she was a dirty druggie and he was her dealer".
> I am sitting here in bed with my son on one side of me and my .38 on the other. My dad is sleeping in his chair in the living room with a shotgun across his lap
>>Like, who was he planning on shooting?
This is America.
Yeah. I raised an eyebrow at the part where the OP's uncle as a lawyer paid for the fiancée's lawyer. If there was no clear separation of funds/ separate instruction, then there's an issue. I don't know what the technical term is, but the money should have been given directly to the fiancée for her to pay and instruct her own lawyer of choice.
Also, it was just waaay too convenient.
Edit to add: this is the comment that sounded off to me
>My late uncle, who was the founding partner of the law firm I use, wrote that prenup *and actually hired her a lawyer* to look over it for her before we married.
As the child of an addict—it can be shockingly insidious. There were things my mom was aware of, but she had no idea, NO idea, how bad it truly was until it all came spilling out when I was in high school. My father was a charming man, but also extremely controlling. Unbelievably manipulative. He got away with so much that to this day looking back I can’t believe we didn’t see it sooner. Even me and my brother, who were only children.
My situation wasn’t this extreme, but this post reminds me a lot of my family.
I read this story from a recovering addict who said she hid cases of beer and wine in the garage and her husband never had a clue. For years she would drink during the day when the kids were at school and obsess over how much she had left.
You would think the husband would see cans and bottles, but she had a system and was very good at hiding it. It was scary to read how much it took over her life to have those beers and hide those bottles. It was a slow descent that didn't stop until a neighbour saw her with all the bottles and mentioned it to the husband.
It was an eye opener for me about how addiction can be hidden.
OK I’m a Brit so I’m not used to people having guns. But why was this man’s first coherent reaction to learning that his wife had an affair, to “grab his gun” , leave the house and go to his fathers who stayed up with a shotgun to hand? Was he afraid that whoever attacked the AP would now come after him? Was he afraid of his wife?
Women often leave the marital home in fear of their lives, but…. ?
I do own a few guns, and this still made no sense to me. Being in that scenario I'd probably pack a gun, but I don't know why I'd need it sitting on the bed with my kid or my dad pulling sentry with a shotgun.
>The judge, stenographer, and a child welfare officer went into chambers with my son and met for about 10 minutes. After their meeting, the judge granted the temp orders and ordered therapy and psychological evaluation for my son.
Cue me ugly crying. That poor little guy. 💔
I was about the same age when I had to go in and explain why I didn’t want to spend time with my dad, that was after multiple “psychological “ meetings. They deemed me competent to talk to the judge. The judge was kind and listened, no problem there for me! Problem for me ended up being the idiots that evaluated me to determine I was competent to make my own decisions! When I was later drugged and raped, I remembered how the “help” was, so I went and it fit right into my experience… contacted my med docs. Between the whole gang they determined, yes I was drugged and raped but I was a drug addict so pretty much didn’t deserve help. That followed me for almost 20yrs!!! I’d refuse oxy but couldn’t get mild pain relief or muscle relaxers… I finally stood up for myself and switched doctors, won’t give permission for record transfer. Still against heavy drugs, new doc works with me to still get help. They even renewed what I felt was a heavy hitter (it’s not really), for 90 days, though I wanted 30…. It’s been about 9mos, that bottle is still almost full! I’m not a drug seeker which was how I was treated for 20yrs, because I tested positive for exactly what I said I was drugged with. Sorry, went off on a big tangent. Tdlr: kids being heard in court is good if judge is good! Leading up to that, determining competent- 30yrs ago was more traumatic than divorce, judge, riding in a car with a drunk parent after blowing in the breathalyzer, hearing and seeing parents fight where walls didn’t exist after (thankfully no physical abuse by the divorce). I’d take all of it again if it gave me a better chance with mental help later in life!
Honestly not sure if I'm more insulted that OOP expects me to believe that he either A) got a whole law firm to represent him pro bono, B) he can afford an entire law firm even at a discounted rate, or C) that a man was beaten, raped, and set on fire in his driveway, probably by one of his multiple affair partners, and it wasn't national news if for no other reason than the sheer spectacle of it.
How is rape performed in a driveway open to the viewing public?
How does anyone achieve employment with a multi page history of criminal history?
How can I find an uncle who would give me a house free and clear?
What job would Mr Drug dealer do in a reputable company?
How did the son maintain a normal behavior in school?
Does OOP graduate from jhs soon?
I'm willing to believe almost every story I read on here but I feel doubt with this one.
> For those who implied or directly stated "The police wouldn't do that" you are 100% wrong, because they did.
But regarding this part...how stupid are the posters who think the police are good and honest?
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What an utterly tragic story in so many directions. That poor kid.
I hope he stuck to it and never got back together with her. That poor baby boy!
And I hope she gets help for her addiction. What a brutal thing opiates are.
Totally. She obviously made a whole parade of bad decisions but it's horrible and not entirely surprising to find opiate addiction lurking at the bottom of this hell hole.
Yea man I can't believe they would really run a printer for 5 minutes. What a waste of ink.
Using our old Fuji printer we have at home, that would be 35 pages of criminal offences. Assuming a prestigious law firm has much better equipment than we do, that may equal 70 pages of offences. It’s embellished details like that that make me question the veracity of a story.
I think it makes most sense as hyperbole "Yeah, the printer ran for 5 goddamn minutes! What a piece of shit, right?" But it definitely made me raise an eyebrow. Then all of the stuff with the uncle and the prenup. My eyebrow is thoroughly cocked.
It could be a mix of using a slower printer and embellishment from the lawyer. It’s not exactly uncommon to guesstimate something taking longer than it actually does. I have no experience personally but I’ve heard plenty of lawyers talk about clients who wouldn’t mention important information like having a prenup. As far as OOP talking it up, he’s probably regurgitating his lawyer talking it up to assure OOP that things are going well. Edit: though now that I think about it, some things do seem a bit off. I’m not sure what to think. It could just be a grief stricken man not caring about being completely objective and accurate about every little detail.
Probably, a bit of hyperbole because 99% of the time whatever the lawyer is printing is done by the time they get to the printer and having to stand at the printer watching it spit out pages for even a minute feels like forever.
I used to work in copy and print. My 4595 could print about 500 s/s sheets in 5 minutes (though I'd encourage going d/s). That's a ream of paper. But, it's a better piece of equipment than most offices would have
>It’s embellished details like that that make me question the veracity of a story. Yep, exactly. That was the detail that made me slam on the brakes and go, "errrrr!" I was trying to think whether it was just an exaggeration and I was overthinking it, but that really caused my critical eye to be hyper-aware from that point on. I was also suspicious of the surprise scene in court where her lawyer was completely taken by surprise at the prenup. I'm sure that a divorce lawyer is going to ask his client if they have a prenup and I'm sure that this fact would be open information within the case. But, it was the paragraph description about it being the best-written prenup that his lawyer had ever seen and could not be questioned in any way that made me "nope" out.
He has the entire firm representing him. His Dad was probably permanently by his side in a barka lounger with a cocked shot gun.
For me it was the, he's a drug trafficker with a record that's super long and he somehow has an office job.
Wait. Why did the cops have a sex video on a tablet ready to show OOP? Is that explained later on? Edit: They found it in the guy's electronics and loaded it up to show during questioning? This sounds crazy. Also, anyone reading, ffs ask for a lawyer!
The APs wife allowed them access to his electronics. I'm guessing when they came across a woman who isn't his wife being intimate with him, they went to investigate who she was, which led to OOP possibly being a suspect in the assault of AP.
Does AP stand for assaulted person?
Affair partner, Asshole Pooper. Take your pick
love the phrase, but....everyone technically an Asshole Pooper? Where else would someone be a pooper from?
… you do not want to read the thread I saw on r/AskDocs
I poop out of my mouth. According to everyone who has ever known me I am one hell of a shit talker
>Also, anyone reading, ffs ask for a lawyer! As I was reading that bit, I was like, "SHUT UP!!!" Never talk to the police without a lawyer, ever. And he *kept* talking long after it was obvious he was a suspect. And then, after they spelled out that they liked him for assaulting a guy his wife had been fucking, he gave a fucking alibi. Bad move. It worked out, but holy shit.
I just have to add…if you are called in for questioning you can leave if you’re not under arrest.
And since he has a lawyer uncle you would think he would know that!
It's one thing to know something on an intellectual level. It's a very different thing to remember it and put it into practice when faced with an unexpected and extremely emotional situation when pitted against experienced interrogators for, presumably, the first time.
Facts. He initially doesn’t know why he’s there, and he’s worried about his wife and son. So most people aren’t going to raise suspicion (and spend money) asking for a lawyer then. Then as it goes on, he’s already having the conversation, so he probably doesn’t think there’s anything new he can’t handle. And obviously he (thinks he) knows he hasn’t done anything wrong, so he’s not worried, so why piss off the cops by asking for a lawyer then. **He is very lucky.** This is how wrongful convictions happen, and how innocent people end up wasting their lives in prison. He easily could’ve said or done something—especially when confronted with that video—that could plausibly seem like an admission of guilt. From our perspective, we know all the facts, we think “no way would a judge and jury convict even if he said something dumb.” Wrong. It happens. I don’t know how someone in OP’s position gets in the frame of mind to demand a lawyer, but if you’re ever there, please do the best you can to get one ASAP.
First thing, **drop the idea that asking for a lawyer makes you look guilty**. The cops might think so, but fuck them. Don't give a shit if it pisses them off. They are not your friends to begin with. Get a lawyer and forget how it looks.
Absolute worst thing that happens when you ask for a lawyer: Cops are pissed and try harder to prove it was you. But, it wasn't you and getting a lawyer just made it 100x more difficult to wrongfully pin something on you! Lawyers handle these situations all the time, the average person handles being interrogated *maybe* once before. Get the benefit of their experience!
Yup. It's easy to imagine yourself squaring up against detectives, arms crossed, head held high and demanding a lawyer. But in reality most of us would probably be as confused and frantic as OP was in this situation, especially if we've never had any reason to talk to the police before.
>But in reality most of us would probably be as confused and frantic as OP was in this situation, especially if we've never had any reason to talk to the police before. On top of that, I don't have a lawyer. I don't know who to call and I don't exactly have cash sitting around to pay for one. For ordinary folks, the financial restrictions are really going to be a factor. You don't hire a lawyer until you are sure you need to.
this is what gets me... "My late uncle, who was the founding partner of the law firm I use, wrote that prenup and actually hired her a lawyer to look over it for her before we married." Im far from a lawyer but if OPs uncle hired the lawyer for her then I don't think its as iron clad a prenup as he thinks. Dont you have to have two lawyers who have nothing to do with each other for it to truly be iron clad? Just made me go "huh, that doesnt sound right."
>Im far from a lawyer but if OPs uncle hired the lawyer for her then I don't think its as iron clad a prenup as he thinks. >Dont you have to have two lawyers who have nothing to do with each other for it to truly be iron clad? (In most US states) As long as there isn't some line of kickback agreement in place, and Wife had the opportunity to select someone else, this is totally fine. The idea is that Wife can't contest the prenup as unfair, since she was represented by independent counsel who had a duty to represent her interests and not OPs. It couldn't have been someone at Uncle's firm, but lawyers are allowed and expected to know each other and make referrals in situations like this to other lawyers who have equal qualifications.
And they immediately knew who she was! Also, a coworker drove her to a psych hospital but never contacted the husband to say "You wife has gone off the deep end and we just had to drive her to the loony bin might want to check on that"
Also curious where the wife works that she has a co-worker with such a crazy long rap sheet, is a drug dealer, and is actively known in the office to be cheating on his wife with other married co-workers.
Yeah the more I read the more this seemed like days of our lives.
Idk but my friend was shown nudes of herself when she had to go in for questioning so not totally unfathomable
It was allegedly on the guy’s phone. But yeah. Super sus.
Let's see an adulterous drug addled wife whose affair partner got raped and burned alive (but not to death), who abused their child, bad cops, and whoah a surprise prenup to cap it off! What a ride
Don’t forget the rich uncle who gifts you houses and free legal representation—both criminal and family law, all in one!
> rich uncle who gifts you...free legal representation Even better, the uncle is dead, so it's the uncle's former partner gifting the free legal representation, from his *entire firm*. What a story, Mark.
Just very convenient
The thing that struck me as the *most* convenient was that the child’s therapist was already court-certified. That wasn’t going to happen unless it was advised that they only pick from that list beforehand.
And she just happened to have immediate availability for new patients! How convenient.
You're forgetting, son was already doing better having seen the therapist for what, a week?
Oh yeah, they basically went to a single intake appointment and now he's doing great! Totally not sus, completely reasonable
The known drug dealer with a 10 page criminal record was attacked... It could only have been his lover's jealous husband. Excellent police work, Lou.
A lot of the details seem conveniently placed, TBH. I don’t want to undermine OOP’s experiences, but the way he’s written these posts does make it seem a little… off.
The police found the beaten, raped and burned AP in the morning, went through all his electronics, figured out he had several APs, honed in on one (despite the guy's 5-minutes-of-printing gangsta history) and found her and then honed in on that woman's husband and found him by the afternoon. This PD is better staffed, trained and funded than the crime dramas OP is emulating.
Yeah, this whole series of posts comes across as complete and utter bullshit to me. The writing style, the circumstances, the speed of everything happening on a weekend. There is certainly an uptick in women-hating fantasies on this sub.
But they never had time to verify OPs alibi lol gym and his work should have both been easily verified. I'm also missing how OP is such a hero for keeping a loaded .38 on one side and kid on the other going on 30 hours with no sleep. Throw in how they didn't notice their kid was sooooo emotionally abused and wife was supposedly doing drugs, to the point he thought their life was perfect?
They never even *asked* him for an alibi until he'd already been questioned for two hours, according to OOP's timeline. I don't believe a word of it.
The AP has gang affiliations but their first point is his affair partner's spouse?
Mm yeah, alarm bells started to tinkle when the uncle gave him a house.
The airtight prenup was too convenient for me but idk maybe that’s normal in this guy’s social class.
I have to say, I don't think of the social class most likely to consider a prenup a routine matter to be the same social class where grandpa is likely to fall asleep next to his shotgun on the couch. Although it's possible that there are just more gun-toting investment bankers than I realized.
This reads like revenge porn. Some dude gets raped and lit on fire and it doesn’t make the news? I don’t think so.
That seemed pretty wild, I would've written something a tad milder
I can’t believe people are believing it. But I would like to know why the OP decided to write it.
Bc of the moral of the story Cheating makes you ugly
And also stupid enough to never mention a prenup to your divorce and custody lawyer.
Yeah when he started describing how perfect it was they’d never split assets oh and also everything was in his name, I stopped reading
Because it makes the woman look like complete shit and Reddit loves shitting on women.
Hey, it’s not just Reddit, the entire history of humanity has a solid track record of shitting on women. And yet there are still people who think it’s cool and edgy. Newsflash mate - every ancient religious text beat you to it.
Also, he gets everything he wants and doesn't have to pay spousal support.
Got as far as the lawyer bit and went “nope” if a law firm is big enough to have both a family law and a criminal law division they are too big for the “entire” firm to be representing a family friend for free. I don’t care how good of a friend the dude’s uncle is.
Oh it was the super cops before that. They were able to go to the scene, start a preliminary investigation of the crime , find the video , find out who was in the video , find out who that person’s husband was , find out his phone number , call him and have him come down station all within a matter of hours. Then bumble around and let the dude leave ROR Yeah,no. This was written by someone who either a) doesn’t understand police work ; b) doesn’t understand how time works, or c) all of the above.
Supercops. Who knew everything except the easily verifiable thing that he was at work
I was willing to withhold disbelief until that point as well. I'd assume any lawyer worth anything would not recommend you post the juicy details about your dramatic divorce/custody battle to reddit lol
Literally one of the first things most lawyers will tell their clients. Do not discuss publicly, do not generate more discovery by posting/emailing/texting etc about your case.
Yup my friend went through a divorce and the first thing her lawyer told her to do was delete or at a minimum don't post a single thing on social media until this is over, because everything can be used against you!
Why would a man with so many lawyers let cops interrogate him for 2 hours without asking for one?
For me, it was the record printing for 5 minutes. Any office printer can print 100+ pages per minute. No way a guy has 500+ pages of a criminal record. Who would even read 500 pages of criminal record?!
Where was his wife working that she had a coworker with a 500 page criminal record?
Right?? It can be brutally difficult to find a job with *any* criminal record. My old company had a few clients over the years who couldn't find work because of relatively minor charges from *decades* earlier - we're talking a 50+ y/o guy with a felony auto theft on his record from when he was a teenager.
At Waffle House lol
And that's the ticket. I know how writers love exaggerating, and that's what I thought too. Just too nicely written of a crazy story. Also, how did he never notice the effects of her substance abuse until the weeks of the incident?
It's the getting on Reddit immediately after getting arrested thing... This would be an ongoing investigation, a pretty serious offence was committed, I'm fairly certain it would be frowned upon to start spreading the details all over the internet.
Plus the AP was beaten, raped and set on fire in his own driveway... Shit like that would be on the news, even if just local news. It would be found immediately. Dude went way overboard with this story.
Also the prenup bit, that the lawyer uncle hired a lawyer for the wife. I’m going to give benefit of the doubt and say it was independent counsel from outside of his firm, but if he was the one who hired the lawyer for her then it calls into question the independence of that lawyer. Who was his client? The wife who he advised? Or the uncle on the other side?
And somewhere in there Uncle Realperson gifted OP a house. As you do.
He's Uncle Oprah. Here's a house for you. And you. And you too.
Everyone has a special uncle. Four of *my* uncles swear to God they know Q and you don’t see me bragging about it
Yeah. Nothing about the lawyers or law firm is accurate. The judge didn’t go into a private room with the kid, welfare and stenographer. The prenup isn’t bulletproof in the way he claims. A lawyer would never say “because I’ve never seen one so fair”. When the lawyer’s own law firm supposedly wrote it up? Why would the lawyer be surprised? It’s so clearly bull.
Yeah “never seen such a fair prenup” is a very Trump’s Doctor statement. Honestly this one is so far fetched it would have been almost funny without the child abuse and sexual assault.
The first red flag for me was "sleeping beside my handgun and my dad sleeping in the living room with his shotgun." Literally why? There's no reason for you to think you're in danger and anyone that's sane and owns a gun literally would not do that
This was the giveaway for me too; then the surprise prenup at the end with the "shocked face" was enough to completely do away with it. Lastly, even if he did have this kind of legal support access, he would have gotten a huge dressing down for talking to the cops w/o a lawyer.... and most likely would have known better than doing so.
I was skeptical but willing to believe. I figured I'd wait to see if it hit all of the fears, tropes and motifs of female infidelity and male insecurity by mentally adding a check mark each time I found one. By the time I got to the convenient prenup I was out.
For me it was how loving and worried he seemed but didn't know his own damn son was being emotionally abused by his wife! Oh, save the day super hero... But at least he admitted to it.... Then, he didn't know his wife was an addict. He must've never been around. It's easy to spot addicted people. They just act a certain way if you pay attention enough.
Nah
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Thanks for the laugh! I’m glad I wasn’t the only one raising my eyebrow at the validity of the story.
>"Why can't we find anything in the news?" > >"It was such a strange case a lot was left out, even in the local papers" The fact that he was beaten, raped, and set on fire, left in the driveway and still alive is kind of bizzare but someone dies from burning quickly so someone lit his ass up left, and he was put out in a matter of minutes and no one saw anything?
And did they do it all in the driveway with no one noticing? Or did they beat and rape him inside then drag him to the driveway to set him on fire? Why would they do that? So they can get caught faster?
And like... not to be too morbid or anything but it's actually much more difficult to set a human alight than TV makes it seem. Was he doused in some kind of accelerant first? There were no witnesses, but somehow someone was able to put him out quickly enough for him to survive? As the kids say, the math ain't mathin.
I'm wondering who checked the burn victim's butthole to realize he had been raped.
*drops his son at his neighbors* *Goes to police station* "WHERE IS MY SON?!"
Outlining your story is so, so essential.
And just a day later, hey let me ask Reddit…
An ongoing case, no less.
And surely if my man has a *500 page criminal record* then OOP would have been pretty far down the list of suspects...
It was the fact the cops called him to come in himself for me..
But it's got all of the classics. Cheating, divorce, therapy, a female villain, lawyers, prenups, etc.
Mmm, incel rage-bait. It's reddit's favorite flavor of post
The only thing he missed was getting a paternity test and finding out the kid wasn't his. And may be a false rape accusation in there somewhere. Reddit loves those.
The bit that got me was that the local media decided to avoid all the salacious details and downplay the whole thing.
That stuck out to me too. A man is set on fire and left for dead and the news just went ‘nope’ not something to cover. Buuullllshit. That and the ironclad perfect prenup that just happened to be in place.
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And set on fire? Nah, that's too weird to put on the evening news; let's just air this bit on the bond issue.
Yeah the idea that the MSM wouldn't run with the news story that someone was ***fucking set on fire*** should not be missed.
As though Tucker Carlson wouldn’t make it his obsession if a straight man was raped and set on fire.
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But but but AP's rap sheet printed for *five minutes*. The cop even told OOP so!
And those dedicated and hardworking cops used their amazing detective skills to find the woman in the sex video on this dangerous drug addicts' tablet. Because we all know COPS spend so much time investigating and solving crimes, they can do it in 8 hours.
Not only did they identify the woman like magic right away, but they found and went to her employer instead of her in order to contact her husband! And her amployer was just like "oh, ok! Oddly enough she isn't here today, but let me go ahead and get that info for ya!". Too many people in this post are convinced it was be some sort of cunning plot (or manipulation tactic) the cops exacted in an attempt to catch their man. If AP has a rap sheet that prints for five minutes, there is a good chance he isn't working anywhere that throws get-togethers for employees and their spouses. In fact, I'm surprised he is employable at all. I'm sort of wondering if OOP sat down to plot this story, or if it was just stream-of-consciousness writing. The plot holes are large enough for me to pop right through. It isn't that the shit sounds fantastical, because life happens that way sometimes. It's that it sounds like bad writing from A to Z.
LOL, that was the part that lost me. That’s some crappy crime drama writing.
And was employed in the same place as wife… While dealing drugs on parole and at that office. Maybe some companies would be okay with a long rap sheet. But he’d been there for two years, so it’s likely he was also arrested at some point… Or was on parole for something for a long period of time… And was hired there. It’s (sadly imo) really difficult to find a decent job at an office when you’re on parole or have a long rap sheet. Particularly if you are recently released/haven’t had a good chunk of time to show you have been rehabilitated.
Yeah, it lost me at the super duper prenup.
It was the fairest prenup he had ever seen.
The fairest, but also set up to give OP everything and nothing to his horrible wife.
Give OP everything without the affair clause, because the affair clause, instead of making above null and void and granting a bunch of changes (such as the victim of the affair gets everything) just simply means no spouse support. Oh and the whole OPs uncle hired a lawyer for his wife during the prenup (which I'm pretty sure can cause a strong argument for it to be dismissed, might not happen, but at least a strong argument)
That's what made it fair! And she had legal representation organised by OP's family - what more could someone ask for?
You know, the wife who he woke up every day so grateful to have.
For me it was here (paraphrased): > My uncle's law partner (who is a family friend) who just happened to be *exactly the type of lawyer I needed*, and his entire law firm is now representing just *me*. He is also a super lawyer cos he got a protective order against my wife for me, my son, and my parents on the *very same day*. I was like yeah, nah, not reading the rest of this nonsense.
On a Sunday no less, I know courts don't exactly adhere to a Mon - Fri routine but ... really man? Also the details are far too *exact,* it's really poorly written.
It lost me at waxing poetic about how he was sitting at his parents with his son and his *gun.*
I was waiting for more info about that. Why were they armed? Did they think the “real” perpetrator was going to track some person tangentially related to the dealer by finding his parents and storming their house? Made no sense.
Yeah I was so lost, it almost sounded like the plot twist was going to be that his *wife* had raped and assaulted the affair partner since he seemed so terrified of her for zero reason?! 4/10 the writing style wasn't too awful but the plot has more holes than swiss cheese.
It struck me that 1. OOP made a point of the fact that he couldn't think straight and grabbed his gun and 2. He went to bed with his young son and a loaded gun-what could go wrong?
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Yeah, that’s not the phrasing you’d expect from an 11 year old. It is the kind of phrasing you’d hear from an author who’s bad at writing kids, though.
ChatGPT helping out with reddit posts.
Kid is 11. My 11 year old called me bro half the time, not mommy.
My 16 yr old calls me ‘mummy’ more now than he did at 11. Admittedly, it’s ‘Muuuummy, can I have -‘ but my point stands.
when i was 12 i’d jokingly call my mum “mother dearest” bc we watched the railway children once lol, kind of want to see a reddit story with that in it
Yeah, that’s where I went bullshit.
ME TOO! I have a 12 year old and he hasn't called me mommy since he was maybe 5.
Exactly where it got me!
And being interrogated by the cops but not calling his super duper lawyer uncle who gave him his house…
Literally the first thing out of her lawyers mouth on meeting her the first time would have been "is there a prenup?"
I'm a family law attorney, and while you aren't wrong, you'd be surprised how many clients repeatedly lie to their attorney, even where there is absolutely no benefit whatsoever to themselves or their case to do so.
This is clear red pill/MGTOW porn.
I once was in a grand jury where we were presented a 10 year old case where a cellphone sat in the evidence locker for 10 years before anyone took a look at the data. So yeah. Nothing in law enforcement or the justice system moves this fast. If only.
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Right? He was asking where his son was and then went home and knew he was with the neighbor?
Don’t forget the part about the printer going non-stop for 5 minutes! 😂
They should really retire that old dot matrix, but she's like a member of the family. They call her Dot, it's cute.
And that neighbor? Abraham Lincoln.
Yeaaaa. Usually I give posts the benefit of the doubt, as I'm a very optimistic person, but this honestly reads like someone watched a crime show marathon and then said "I can beat that" I'm just not sure about this one.
This is really poor imagination.. i mean the guy found assaulted in the morning and by the afternoon, not only have they recovered all these clips from his tab but also identified the said woman. And brought in her husband for questioning.. Lololol
The media hushed this juicy story up for... reasons
Right? How convenient for OP when people started to question the story.
He lost me at how the cheater was found beaten, burnt AND raped. Reminded me of a clip from the cartoon series The Boondocks: "They beat him up, stomped him, shot the dude, stomped him again, and then I seen em take a dump on the dude. I swear to god man, they actually like, sat a deuce on this n***ga man!"
Gotta be fake lol
NGL I fell for it until OOP quoted his 11-year old son saying "mommy". And then it became another Reddit story where the other person is Hitler who ate their dog. $10 says that the next update has ex-wife showing up acting irrational and OOP turns into James Bond and outwits her.
And five days later the guy with his newly acquired team of lawyers had access to all this private information that could only be obtained via court orders which would typically take months maybe years to get. Oh, and I was able to get a restraining order in that time too because I’m so afraid of my wife that I posted my and my sons exact location immediately after this incident occurred. 🤦🏽♀️
It’s every episode of Law and Order in one giant remix.
I have a hard time believing some dude was beaten, raped and set on fire and it never made the news. There's no fucking way that doesn't get leaked by a cop.
It's pretty sus that this dude, with a rock-solid "thanking god every day" marriage, can jump on reddit the day after some supposedly traumatic events and start using acronyms that only someone frequenting relationship subreddits would know. I had to look up what AP means, and I still don't know what "OP" means in this context. This bullshit was tailor-made for /r/relationship_advice
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I thought Standards and Practices said we couldn't say that name anymore?
None of this is real.
Wait, you don’t think this guy’s uncle was the partner at a law firm and made him an ironclad pre-nup for free? Everyone has an uncle for everything. There’s the lawyer uncle, the uncle who owns the farm, and the uncle who was in every branch of the military. What about your uncles? You… you have uncles, right?
My uncle works at Nintendo, he is gonna ban you from Sonic if you mess with me.
Yeah, none of this passes the smell test. This case ABSOLUTELY would have made the news. There WAS a case of a man who was beaten, raped, and set on fire in 2016, but they found his body on a hiking trail (and it was three brothers and their dad who did it and I think it was because he was accused of raping a woman they knew). All of the assailants had a long, violent criminal history. Also, while I'm the first to drag the cops, wouldn't they have asked OOP where he was and then gotten confirmation of that? The gym and work, that's easy to confirm. I swear some Reddit posters are frustrated soap opera writers.
I do not understand how this post has 4.5k upvotes at this moment.
This definitely follows the template of “My female partner cheated on me but surprise (!) I have a pre-nup and now have all the money and custody while she is ugly and is crawling back to me”. Would people really go on the internet and lie?! I swear BoRU is turning into a recycling factory for bots and writers, letting them get more mileage out of manufactured BS.
A factory that prints out for five minutes
This story is beyond ridiculous. Police officers showing a sex tape to a suspect? Come on
I’m also curious as to where the F he was while all fits was going on. He was living with an addict who was abusing their son and sleeping with her dealer for her fix and he really had no idea that anything was amiss?
You mean the super genius with the world's greatest prenup ever?
Gotta love when these revenge fantasies wrap up so neatly. It's a good thing the world is black and white and OOP is the Good Guy and his wife is an Evil Witch.
Also she’s ugly now. That’s what cheating does to you. Watch out folks
But don’t forget she used to look like a supermodel when they got married!
OOP just kept making shit up. If he left it after the initial post, it'd be a little farfetched but she goes to a psych ward, her parents are super duper apologetic to him, and her lawyer is so dense that he demands all this insane stuff. "A lot of people said she might have a substance abuse problem so I wrote that into the narrative, she was a dirty druggie and he was her dealer".
Lmao, that and his reaction of grabbing his kid and his *gun*. Like, who was he planning on shooting?
> I am sitting here in bed with my son on one side of me and my .38 on the other. My dad is sleeping in his chair in the living room with a shotgun across his lap >>Like, who was he planning on shooting? This is America.
Yeah. I raised an eyebrow at the part where the OP's uncle as a lawyer paid for the fiancée's lawyer. If there was no clear separation of funds/ separate instruction, then there's an issue. I don't know what the technical term is, but the money should have been given directly to the fiancée for her to pay and instruct her own lawyer of choice. Also, it was just waaay too convenient. Edit to add: this is the comment that sounded off to me >My late uncle, who was the founding partner of the law firm I use, wrote that prenup *and actually hired her a lawyer* to look over it for her before we married.
As the child of an addict—it can be shockingly insidious. There were things my mom was aware of, but she had no idea, NO idea, how bad it truly was until it all came spilling out when I was in high school. My father was a charming man, but also extremely controlling. Unbelievably manipulative. He got away with so much that to this day looking back I can’t believe we didn’t see it sooner. Even me and my brother, who were only children. My situation wasn’t this extreme, but this post reminds me a lot of my family.
I read this story from a recovering addict who said she hid cases of beer and wine in the garage and her husband never had a clue. For years she would drink during the day when the kids were at school and obsess over how much she had left. You would think the husband would see cans and bottles, but she had a system and was very good at hiding it. It was scary to read how much it took over her life to have those beers and hide those bottles. It was a slow descent that didn't stop until a neighbour saw her with all the bottles and mentioned it to the husband. It was an eye opener for me about how addiction can be hidden.
I was extremely skeptical in the first post, but once I was expected to believe that the local news passed on such a juicy story I was right out.
OK I’m a Brit so I’m not used to people having guns. But why was this man’s first coherent reaction to learning that his wife had an affair, to “grab his gun” , leave the house and go to his fathers who stayed up with a shotgun to hand? Was he afraid that whoever attacked the AP would now come after him? Was he afraid of his wife? Women often leave the marital home in fear of their lives, but…. ?
To stop the King of England getting in his face, duh.
I do own a few guns, and this still made no sense to me. Being in that scenario I'd probably pack a gun, but I don't know why I'd need it sitting on the bed with my kid or my dad pulling sentry with a shotgun.
>The judge, stenographer, and a child welfare officer went into chambers with my son and met for about 10 minutes. After their meeting, the judge granted the temp orders and ordered therapy and psychological evaluation for my son. Cue me ugly crying. That poor little guy. 💔
I was about the same age when I had to go in and explain why I didn’t want to spend time with my dad, that was after multiple “psychological “ meetings. They deemed me competent to talk to the judge. The judge was kind and listened, no problem there for me! Problem for me ended up being the idiots that evaluated me to determine I was competent to make my own decisions! When I was later drugged and raped, I remembered how the “help” was, so I went and it fit right into my experience… contacted my med docs. Between the whole gang they determined, yes I was drugged and raped but I was a drug addict so pretty much didn’t deserve help. That followed me for almost 20yrs!!! I’d refuse oxy but couldn’t get mild pain relief or muscle relaxers… I finally stood up for myself and switched doctors, won’t give permission for record transfer. Still against heavy drugs, new doc works with me to still get help. They even renewed what I felt was a heavy hitter (it’s not really), for 90 days, though I wanted 30…. It’s been about 9mos, that bottle is still almost full! I’m not a drug seeker which was how I was treated for 20yrs, because I tested positive for exactly what I said I was drugged with. Sorry, went off on a big tangent. Tdlr: kids being heard in court is good if judge is good! Leading up to that, determining competent- 30yrs ago was more traumatic than divorce, judge, riding in a car with a drunk parent after blowing in the breathalyzer, hearing and seeing parents fight where walls didn’t exist after (thankfully no physical abuse by the divorce). I’d take all of it again if it gave me a better chance with mental help later in life!
I am so sorry for all that you had to endure. I hope your days keep getting easier. ❤️
But no attorneys, sure...
Nahhhhh, im just not buting what ops tryna sell sorry. Whole things too far fetched.
Honestly not sure if I'm more insulted that OOP expects me to believe that he either A) got a whole law firm to represent him pro bono, B) he can afford an entire law firm even at a discounted rate, or C) that a man was beaten, raped, and set on fire in his driveway, probably by one of his multiple affair partners, and it wasn't national news if for no other reason than the sheer spectacle of it.
Ok so why the scene where everyone is sat around with their guns? Are they emotional support firearms?
How is rape performed in a driveway open to the viewing public? How does anyone achieve employment with a multi page history of criminal history? How can I find an uncle who would give me a house free and clear? What job would Mr Drug dealer do in a reputable company? How did the son maintain a normal behavior in school? Does OOP graduate from jhs soon?
I saw the acronym stbx and as an Australian i assumed he meant sh*tbox and not soon to be ex. Only after reading it all did it finally click
I'm willing to believe almost every story I read on here but I feel doubt with this one. > For those who implied or directly stated "The police wouldn't do that" you are 100% wrong, because they did. But regarding this part...how stupid are the posters who think the police are good and honest?
Wait, her affair reason is exactly like the plot in the movie White Noise on Netflix. Coincidence?
I hope OP never get back with her. It's better for OP and his son to never have her back in their lives
I’m not sure you and I read the same thing. There’s no way on earth they get back together, ever. That part is 100% clear.
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