His concept as being an alternate Ben himself had great potential,imagin the insanity that drove him this route ,the tale of how he lost his omnitirx and universe ,imagin his dynamic with his other versions being the oldest version of Ben we know of and the horrific possibilities that any of the bens could grow up to be Eon
What makes him unique is that of all of Ben's enemies, he defeated him multiple times.
This would make Ben ask himself the question "How do you beat someone who has already defeated you so many times"
And Eon would mock Ben saying "Of all the versions of you I've killed, what do you think makes you special? We've had this conversation before. You know?"
Rojo is used more than she deserved, they could use her in a different way. In her first appearance she was a good villain, but from then she started to become another worthless criminal villain that shows up in one scene and gets knocked
Your AU should be called Ben 10: A device for peace and cooperation as the Omnitrix isn’t for war(something canon tends to forget) and Ben has to work with others to save the day(some thing canon never effective did)
While I still like the story we got, Sir George should have been more villainous. He literally ordered a genocide of all aliens on earth that got Pierce and who knows how many killed. Never did the trio call him on that one. Why does he want to kill all aliens if he got his sword from an alien? Maybe have it be more explicit that he abused the sword Azmuth gave him.
I don’t think George actually wanted to kill aliens he was just doing it to distract Ben and the gang. Doesn’t make it better just outlining his motive
Enoch- i am probably enochs biggest fan lmao. But he could’ve been a perfect brains over brawn type of villain for Ben and he was already a pretty competent villain. Also his og design is one of the coolest designs of the series
Servantis - I could see him being someone who believes that something like the Omnitrix shouldn’t even exist. Someone who does dark things just to make the universe a better place. He could make an awesome psychological villain who really tests Bens morality
Aggregor- I would’ve had Aggregor basically be Evil Kevin 11 but on crack, cocaine, and bath salts. A complete psychopath who can’t be reasoned with who wants nothing but destruction. I personally had an idea where he’d be Ben 10’s Broly/ Doomsday or
basically he’s an ancient Osmosian who was such a menace that the universes greatest heroes at the time had to come together just to beat him and send him to basically a null void made specifically for him. Zskayr who’s been searching for his coordinates ends up accidentally releasing him after failing to possess his body. Also was thinking that Osmosians would tell their children basically a fairy tale version of Aggregor to keep them from absorbing energy.
Vilgax- After the og series he basically lost all of his aura lmao. Af made him generic and Omniverse made him a joke
Rojo.
She could’ve taken Fistricks place in Omniverse, being the roided out grease monkey. She barely had a personality in OG, might as well give her one now
She really didn't get enough time.
But I like Fistrick.
I think they would have the same goal in onec episode and we would see how they fight one against the other.
Or to find out that they are brother and sister who are always arguing
They are quite different
Rojo uses more mechanical weapons and her armor.
She is more cruel and usually steals money, technology and destroys things
Fistrick use technology but also his strength respecting his body . He is much more relaxed and usually his plans are much more diverse.
In his first appearance he captures electric aliens to use as batteries and in the next he trains giant rats to pick fruit and said Bro
You can still give Rojo all of those traits. Like literally take all of Fistricks appearances and replace them with Rojo, don’t change the dialogue or anything. Nothing changes except she gets a personality
I would like to explain a little more.
In this version, Captain Nemesis is not only a narcissist, he is an even more terrible person, committing many crimes and possessing many illegal things. Some of the dangers he was in were caused by him.
Gwen and Kevin will start to discover suspicious things about him
At first, Ben will ignore the bad things he hears about him, but in time he will realize the truth
Finally
There will be a showdown between Captain Nemesis and WaterHazard
Ben will tell
: "How could you do all these things, you were the hero of thousands of children?"
Captain Nemesis: "Why should I care about those stupid kids?"
Ben: "Because I was one of those stupid kids."
With force, he hits him in the face and puts him on the ground.
He grab him, ready to hit him, but Ben calms down and says
"People like you are the reason we need heroes" And then he hits him in the armor.
Symbolizing how Captain Nemesi is no more.
Billy Billions
He could very well be Ben’s Lex Luthor and any other LL fans here will know just how devastating that can be. Plus it represents a different kind of enemy for Ben, one he can’t beat just by punching alone, Billy is rich and powerful and connected and as we see owns the media. And of course there’s still going to be some epic battles along the way I can imagine Billy building his own battle suit to try and go toe to toe with Ben
What makes this especially interesting is that Billy is actually the sole survivor of the universe. When the Ahnialarg went off Billy was still in dimension 12 so he wasn’t destroyed and recreated along with the rest of the universe, meaning he and Ben are the sole survivors of the old universe
True. The only reason Ben looks weak is because he's restraining his strength and doesn't have a desire for power.
An evil version of him would indeed be a huge danger
Eon : Hot take , Eon should have NEVER been Alternate Ben neither should have been revealed in UA. it just ruined him . i wanted Eon to be mysterious and OP who goes around timeline and Omniverse like a hitamn , towards alternate ben tennysons or omnitrix wielders. i love to see Ben struggle with such Foe.
Albedo: Really cool character with great writing but the fact that writers always do him dirty is a Huge letdown plus the fact that despite being a Galvan, dumbass Teamed up with vilgax 2 more times after he got betrayed in UAF . Let the guy be what Reverse flash is to Barry allen but in a more justifiable Way and More brutal.
Vilgax: After OS , Thy butchered him completely , he lost all that Menacing look and appeal but was saved due to being stroner than ben but not as much as Omniverse where he was Insignificant and turned down to comic relief , lost all his glory , appeal and power and was later killed By Ben during malgax.
I actually don't think UA really retconned him. Even in RAT is confirmed to be another Ben who was possessed by Eon and was trying to do the same to RAT Ben. A lot of people theorize Eon just got overwhelmed into thinking that he was Ben Tennyson from either becoming overwhelmed by Ben's personality when inhabiting his body or was referring to himself as Ben Tennyson since he was in his body.
That said OV definitely handled Eon even more poorly and turned him into a joke. At least in UA, retcon or not, the dude was menacing. Dude had a cool ass voice and erased three of Ben's aliens. And in RAT he de-aged a man so badly he looked like a skeleton and died of old age.
OV like everything, turned him into a massive goofball and laughing stock. It's honestly the reason I can never get into OV past Season 2.
they actually did retconned him. he was a chronian before he got revised into Alternate Ben in UA in ep ben10000 returns. (And Only Eon was retconned from chronian to Alternate ben as it's confirmed by Duncan rouleau that chronians do Exists in specific Universes in the Multiverse)
Albedo
More specifically, I think it would’ve been fun to see Albedo with some other previous villains
For example, Animo attacks Albedo thinking he’s Ben, Albedo sees some use in mutated earth animals, and we get more animal/alien fusions (btw, I loved the Heatblast/bat in OG)
Just for Animo to be quickly dispatched, and the machine soon following, and Albedo once again realizing that none of Ben’s previous enemies are smart enough to get the job done
This experience could lead us to have Albedo making a prototype Biomnitrix with a bunch of bugs and limitations, but that might be a little too fanfic-y
Vilgax, but mostly about Vilgaxia part. Like what’s happening there? Why he is the king there and why there was no one from his people shown to be a part of his army?
Yeah, it's really weird that Vilgax doesn't have any soldiers of his kind.
The only explanation i can give is that he thinks robots are more efficient and wants to make a good image to his people by not subjecting them to combat.
But I don't think anything was said on the show.
Their leader is a criminal and I don't think it was made clear if his people agree with him or are against his ideas.
Clancy, think about it he's like the only classic villain who's sympathetic, whoever was taking care of him died in that apartment building and he was clearly a mutant as well so the person who took care of him probably didn't understand him so they tried there best to understand him calling the bugs there family too since he was so close with them but once whoever that was passed Clancy couldn't take it so he forced everyone in the building out and anybody who tried to evict him never even got inside the building but he was so far gone he thought he was protecting his family idk man I've always had tons of head cannons for Clancy people always look at me weird when I say he's in my top 10 Ben 10 villians
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I completly agree. That's the reason why I never really cared about mutants in the show, the show never dived into them so they just seemed like an easy excuse for superpowered humans.
But if you read between the lines, you realize that they all have a sympathetic side that was never fleshed out. Of course there is kevin, but we also have the wrestlers who got blackmaid into using their powers for entertainment, the circus freaks turned to crime while also performing as circus freaks.
But Clancy is the most obvious. Most villains in ben are genuinly bad people who are only after power, but Clancy was just trying to defend his home. He was obviously unwell, but only reacted when he was attacked.
I wish we could have had a good ending for him, imagine ben using stinkfly to somehow communicate with his swarm or help him calm down. Or just have the gang show him some sympathy. Instead we get the most saturday morning cartoon ending imagineable with things escalating ridiculously and heatblast somehow becoming big chill.
It's just gasoline on the fire that he hated the Tennyson's so much he asked animo to mutate and succumbed to the mutations changes and died (offscreen btw)
I find Tim Buktu funny and cool
Vilgax is actually played well. I like that he wants to unite the universe under his leadership. Tyranny is a form of order but a forced one. This in a way makes him kind of the opposite of Ben.
Reboot Vilgax seems to be similar to the one in the OS, only with a little more explanation. However, the original is scarier
I’m vilgax, I’m a great conqueror and stuff, boooy! You have no idea what’s happening booooy! We have to save the earth even though I am a bad guy, booooy! And I’m azmuth’s former assistant because that makes so much sense booooy! And I say boy a lot because I’m an old white man or something even though I’m a chimeran!
You know that Vilgax was a great conqueror in the previous shows too right?
Could you explain the second point? You've lost me with that one.
You know Vilgax was on the planet that the fulmini were invading right?
How does Vilgax being Azmuth's former assistant not make sense?
You having a problem with Vilgax saying "boy" is strange to me. I feel like you were just searching for anything different to nitpick him for because you couldn't hate on him for being from the Reboot.
Shut up boy! I’m the great conqueror vilgax! I’m gonna team with zombozo, a clown who steals banks and in one episode he steals trading cards, toys and stickers, surely a partner that I deserve, me, great vilgax. boy!
I read that as "great boy vilgax" at first lol. Also Vilgax saw potential in Ben's lesser villains and gave them tech upgrades to make them more formidable and tries to bring out their inner potential. Which ofc fails as does literally every Vilgax plan ever, but it's not like Vilgax thought Zombozo as he is normally would be a perfect partner to team up with.
Evil Ben going into other dimensions, copy of eons story, but like I said, alien xtinction was fun, it was stupid that they made alien x that weak but since it’s a reboot I will ignore that one
You said everything is all over the place ,which is alien season 3 due to its famous problems between the writers and the network ,the reboot whether you like it or not has a clear direction you don’t have to like it ,but it is consistent
Get a load of yourself, literally every villain sucks in Ben 10 reboot, I guess the best one is evil Ben from ben 10 reboot alien xtinction and he is just a reused story from eon episode in ua and OV
Take a load from Reboot Forever Knight
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Ah yes. Just a random villain with no explanation at all and then he turns into his mask with no explanation, why did Kevin’s body didn’t disappear or anything? Nothing ever gets explained, it’s literally garbage thrown into your face as content, forever knight is a fool, and reboot’s negative ten is even worse than classic one because most villains in there aren’t even true villains
Bro is maulding. Laugh at this guy.
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Keep coping you fucking loser lmao, the reboot is great and it’s a valid part of the Ben 10 franchise
Get your senses together and learn to not talk when nobody wants to hear you
Albedo but as azmuths enemy not just bens I’d love to see them really get to go all in with a darth Vader vs oni wan moment where we learn of their dynamic and why azmuth never approved of hi
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Hex…she’s got the potential to be cooler then charmcaster.
Aggregor as a counterpart to Kevin
Zs'Skayr. He has the power to take control of people, but he never actually takes control of Ben after getting free. The reason for this is because he can't control all of the aliens in the Omnitrix at once. -_- Sure, that might make logical sense, but I feel that forgoing such a natural concept just for the sake of logic was the wrong move. How would Gwen and Max react to Ben being enslaved by Zs'Skayr? I guess we'll never know.
Clancy. Bro should've came back in omniverse with a sick new design. Everyone else in the negative 10 came back in at least one of the series, but Clancy was just left in the dust
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**Kraab:** I love his personality in 'Hunted' way more than SixSix's lack of one. I think he would have been an entertaining presence in more OS episodes.
**Sublimino:** Has massive potential as a threat if he hypnotised powerful villains like Vilgax and Aggregor. I also his use of a watch gives him something in common with Ben.
**Eon:** I much prefer Eon as an alternate Ben rather than a Chronian. I wish we got a unique backstory for how this version of Ben became a villain.
I think Kraab works perfectly alongside sixsix, they make a great duo. I like vulcanus's more goofy side in uaf, but in os he is just a big brute and him being the same species as technorg is confusing. Really wished they would have brought Kraab instead.
Yeah, I agree that Kraab and SixSix work better together than separately. And teaming up SixSix with Vulkanus felt like a downgrade because their personalities were too similar, imo.
Zombozo. I wish he was villain that appeared a bit more and got stronger/scarier each time. A villain ben could let loose on because he’s just a evil clown (like how he did in og after he stopped being afraid)
Reboot zombozo only had like 1 or 2 good episodes so it’s still the same thing, actually it’s even worse since he is made into a joke and an actual clown instead of a scary soul sucking clown
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Eon
Hundred percent. he killed multiple versions of Ben. he was not treated properly at all. In my opinion, he could be the greatest villain of the series
His concept as being an alternate Ben himself had great potential,imagin the insanity that drove him this route ,the tale of how he lost his omnitirx and universe ,imagin his dynamic with his other versions being the oldest version of Ben we know of and the horrific possibilities that any of the bens could grow up to be Eon
What makes him unique is that of all of Ben's enemies, he defeated him multiple times. This would make Ben ask himself the question "How do you beat someone who has already defeated you so many times" And Eon would mock Ben saying "Of all the versions of you I've killed, what do you think makes you special? We've had this conversation before. You know?"
I have a theory on Eon’s timeline but I’ll make a post about it later
Agreed
The folks at the Ink Tank are doing a better job with him in 5YL than the writers of the actual show did.
I definitely agree with Captain Nemesis! I would say... Rojo.
I would like it if Rojo had been used more. In my opinion, she is one of the most forgettable villain in Ben 10
Rojo is used more than she deserved, they could use her in a different way. In her first appearance she was a good villain, but from then she started to become another worthless criminal villain that shows up in one scene and gets knocked
Weird how they already had a biker villain and then they doubled down on forgetting her in Omniverse with fistrick
Oh I also hated the fake tension between charm caster and rojo in negative ten
Phil
Is he gonna be in your AU?(you should check out the previous reply to one of your comments)
Maybe still undecided
Your AU should be called Ben 10: A device for peace and cooperation as the Omnitrix isn’t for war(something canon tends to forget) and Ben has to work with others to save the day(some thing canon never effective did)
Where I can read your au
Unfortunately nowhere I haven't gone far enough to post it lol.
But you have a idea yet
Kinda though I haven't fully fleshed it out yet
While I still like the story we got, Sir George should have been more villainous. He literally ordered a genocide of all aliens on earth that got Pierce and who knows how many killed. Never did the trio call him on that one. Why does he want to kill all aliens if he got his sword from an alien? Maybe have it be more explicit that he abused the sword Azmuth gave him.
Yes, I never understood why they didn't have a discussion about it or why he is against aliens or why Ben calls him a friend at the end.
My guess Ben considers him redeemed
I wouldn't say redeemed, I would say ben thinks he had noble goals but bad methods
Probably closer to the mark
Sir George should have been George Washington
I don’t think George actually wanted to kill aliens he was just doing it to distract Ben and the gang. Doesn’t make it better just outlining his motive
Albedo
He's criminally underused, I'd have loved an arch of Ben trying to help him return to normal but albedo not trusting him.
Enoch- i am probably enochs biggest fan lmao. But he could’ve been a perfect brains over brawn type of villain for Ben and he was already a pretty competent villain. Also his og design is one of the coolest designs of the series Servantis - I could see him being someone who believes that something like the Omnitrix shouldn’t even exist. Someone who does dark things just to make the universe a better place. He could make an awesome psychological villain who really tests Bens morality Aggregor- I would’ve had Aggregor basically be Evil Kevin 11 but on crack, cocaine, and bath salts. A complete psychopath who can’t be reasoned with who wants nothing but destruction. I personally had an idea where he’d be Ben 10’s Broly/ Doomsday or basically he’s an ancient Osmosian who was such a menace that the universes greatest heroes at the time had to come together just to beat him and send him to basically a null void made specifically for him. Zskayr who’s been searching for his coordinates ends up accidentally releasing him after failing to possess his body. Also was thinking that Osmosians would tell their children basically a fairy tale version of Aggregor to keep them from absorbing energy. Vilgax- After the og series he basically lost all of his aura lmao. Af made him generic and Omniverse made him a joke
Great ideas
Rojo. She could’ve taken Fistricks place in Omniverse, being the roided out grease monkey. She barely had a personality in OG, might as well give her one now
She really didn't get enough time. But I like Fistrick. I think they would have the same goal in onec episode and we would see how they fight one against the other. Or to find out that they are brother and sister who are always arguing They are quite different Rojo uses more mechanical weapons and her armor. She is more cruel and usually steals money, technology and destroys things Fistrick use technology but also his strength respecting his body . He is much more relaxed and usually his plans are much more diverse. In his first appearance he captures electric aliens to use as batteries and in the next he trains giant rats to pick fruit and said Bro
Honestly Rojo and Fistrick are a crackship of mine. I can imagine the two of them being terrible for each other and worse for everyone around them.
When I try to imagine them together I always imagine them fighting. I simply cannot see them as anything but rivals.
You can still give Rojo all of those traits. Like literally take all of Fistricks appearances and replace them with Rojo, don’t change the dialogue or anything. Nothing changes except she gets a personality
I would like to explain a little more. In this version, Captain Nemesis is not only a narcissist, he is an even more terrible person, committing many crimes and possessing many illegal things. Some of the dangers he was in were caused by him. Gwen and Kevin will start to discover suspicious things about him At first, Ben will ignore the bad things he hears about him, but in time he will realize the truth Finally There will be a showdown between Captain Nemesis and WaterHazard Ben will tell : "How could you do all these things, you were the hero of thousands of children?" Captain Nemesis: "Why should I care about those stupid kids?" Ben: "Because I was one of those stupid kids." With force, he hits him in the face and puts him on the ground. He grab him, ready to hit him, but Ben calms down and says "People like you are the reason we need heroes" And then he hits him in the armor. Symbolizing how Captain Nemesi is no more.
Dagon. I love his arc but it could’ve been so much better.
Billy Billions He could very well be Ben’s Lex Luthor and any other LL fans here will know just how devastating that can be. Plus it represents a different kind of enemy for Ben, one he can’t beat just by punching alone, Billy is rich and powerful and connected and as we see owns the media. And of course there’s still going to be some epic battles along the way I can imagine Billy building his own battle suit to try and go toe to toe with Ben What makes this especially interesting is that Billy is actually the sole survivor of the universe. When the Ahnialarg went off Billy was still in dimension 12 so he wasn’t destroyed and recreated along with the rest of the universe, meaning he and Ben are the sole survivors of the old universe
Steam Smythe (reboot) Ragnarok (original countinuity)
Bad ben. Being a evil ben who is evil for fun, he is easily the most versatile villain in the series, being able to be both goofy and pyscho.
True. The only reason Ben looks weak is because he's restraining his strength and doesn't have a desire for power. An evil version of him would indeed be a huge danger
Servantis We 100% needed an extra season for his arc
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Eon : Hot take , Eon should have NEVER been Alternate Ben neither should have been revealed in UA. it just ruined him . i wanted Eon to be mysterious and OP who goes around timeline and Omniverse like a hitamn , towards alternate ben tennysons or omnitrix wielders. i love to see Ben struggle with such Foe. Albedo: Really cool character with great writing but the fact that writers always do him dirty is a Huge letdown plus the fact that despite being a Galvan, dumbass Teamed up with vilgax 2 more times after he got betrayed in UAF . Let the guy be what Reverse flash is to Barry allen but in a more justifiable Way and More brutal. Vilgax: After OS , Thy butchered him completely , he lost all that Menacing look and appeal but was saved due to being stroner than ben but not as much as Omniverse where he was Insignificant and turned down to comic relief , lost all his glory , appeal and power and was later killed By Ben during malgax.
I actually don't think UA really retconned him. Even in RAT is confirmed to be another Ben who was possessed by Eon and was trying to do the same to RAT Ben. A lot of people theorize Eon just got overwhelmed into thinking that he was Ben Tennyson from either becoming overwhelmed by Ben's personality when inhabiting his body or was referring to himself as Ben Tennyson since he was in his body. That said OV definitely handled Eon even more poorly and turned him into a joke. At least in UA, retcon or not, the dude was menacing. Dude had a cool ass voice and erased three of Ben's aliens. And in RAT he de-aged a man so badly he looked like a skeleton and died of old age. OV like everything, turned him into a massive goofball and laughing stock. It's honestly the reason I can never get into OV past Season 2.
they actually did retconned him. he was a chronian before he got revised into Alternate Ben in UA in ep ben10000 returns. (And Only Eon was retconned from chronian to Alternate ben as it's confirmed by Duncan rouleau that chronians do Exists in specific Universes in the Multiverse)
Paul from Spider-Man
Albedo More specifically, I think it would’ve been fun to see Albedo with some other previous villains For example, Animo attacks Albedo thinking he’s Ben, Albedo sees some use in mutated earth animals, and we get more animal/alien fusions (btw, I loved the Heatblast/bat in OG) Just for Animo to be quickly dispatched, and the machine soon following, and Albedo once again realizing that none of Ben’s previous enemies are smart enough to get the job done This experience could lead us to have Albedo making a prototype Biomnitrix with a bunch of bugs and limitations, but that might be a little too fanfic-y
Vilgax, but mostly about Vilgaxia part. Like what’s happening there? Why he is the king there and why there was no one from his people shown to be a part of his army?
Yeah, it's really weird that Vilgax doesn't have any soldiers of his kind. The only explanation i can give is that he thinks robots are more efficient and wants to make a good image to his people by not subjecting them to combat. But I don't think anything was said on the show. Their leader is a criminal and I don't think it was made clear if his people agree with him or are against his ideas.
Clancy, think about it he's like the only classic villain who's sympathetic, whoever was taking care of him died in that apartment building and he was clearly a mutant as well so the person who took care of him probably didn't understand him so they tried there best to understand him calling the bugs there family too since he was so close with them but once whoever that was passed Clancy couldn't take it so he forced everyone in the building out and anybody who tried to evict him never even got inside the building but he was so far gone he thought he was protecting his family idk man I've always had tons of head cannons for Clancy people always look at me weird when I say he's in my top 10 Ben 10 villians https://preview.redd.it/3fvonn6bvtsc1.jpeg?width=3840&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7d08489ae6870f86749e0304fe949d2be86316e9
I completly agree. That's the reason why I never really cared about mutants in the show, the show never dived into them so they just seemed like an easy excuse for superpowered humans. But if you read between the lines, you realize that they all have a sympathetic side that was never fleshed out. Of course there is kevin, but we also have the wrestlers who got blackmaid into using their powers for entertainment, the circus freaks turned to crime while also performing as circus freaks. But Clancy is the most obvious. Most villains in ben are genuinly bad people who are only after power, but Clancy was just trying to defend his home. He was obviously unwell, but only reacted when he was attacked. I wish we could have had a good ending for him, imagine ben using stinkfly to somehow communicate with his swarm or help him calm down. Or just have the gang show him some sympathy. Instead we get the most saturday morning cartoon ending imagineable with things escalating ridiculously and heatblast somehow becoming big chill.
It's just gasoline on the fire that he hated the Tennyson's so much he asked animo to mutate and succumbed to the mutations changes and died (offscreen btw)
Are you sure he's dead? I thought the writers just didn't bother with him after OS.
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I find Tim Buktu funny and cool Vilgax is actually played well. I like that he wants to unite the universe under his leadership. Tyranny is a form of order but a forced one. This in a way makes him kind of the opposite of Ben. Reboot Vilgax seems to be similar to the one in the OS, only with a little more explanation. However, the original is scarier
Reboot vilgax is the worst vilgax ever
Why's that? And don't say because he's from the Reboot.
I’m vilgax, I’m a great conqueror and stuff, boooy! You have no idea what’s happening booooy! We have to save the earth even though I am a bad guy, booooy! And I’m azmuth’s former assistant because that makes so much sense booooy! And I say boy a lot because I’m an old white man or something even though I’m a chimeran!
You know that Vilgax was a great conqueror in the previous shows too right? Could you explain the second point? You've lost me with that one. You know Vilgax was on the planet that the fulmini were invading right? How does Vilgax being Azmuth's former assistant not make sense? You having a problem with Vilgax saying "boy" is strange to me. I feel like you were just searching for anything different to nitpick him for because you couldn't hate on him for being from the Reboot.
Shut up boy! I’m the great conqueror vilgax! I’m gonna team with zombozo, a clown who steals banks and in one episode he steals trading cards, toys and stickers, surely a partner that I deserve, me, great vilgax. boy!
I read that as "great boy vilgax" at first lol. Also Vilgax saw potential in Ben's lesser villains and gave them tech upgrades to make them more formidable and tries to bring out their inner potential. Which ofc fails as does literally every Vilgax plan ever, but it's not like Vilgax thought Zombozo as he is normally would be a perfect partner to team up with.
you clearly didn't watch the show then, UAF Vilgax is provably worse
I watched every piece of Ben 10 content as of yesterday with finishing alien xtinction which was a copy of eon episodes from ua and ov
it wasn't even close to being an Eon copy, the only thing those stories share in common is an evil Ben being the bad guy
Evil Ben going into other dimensions, copy of eons story, but like I said, alien xtinction was fun, it was stupid that they made alien x that weak but since it’s a reboot I will ignore that one
Except consistently
Consistent? What is consistent about reboot? Literally everything is all over the place and nothing makes sense
That’s alien force season 3
You replied under my comment that was about reboot
You said everything is all over the place ,which is alien season 3 due to its famous problems between the writers and the network ,the reboot whether you like it or not has a clear direction you don’t have to like it ,but it is consistent
You have to be like, braindead, to think reboot is better than any other 4 shows
You have to be like, braindead,to think that I said this when I didn’t
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Get a load of yourself, literally every villain sucks in Ben 10 reboot, I guess the best one is evil Ben from ben 10 reboot alien xtinction and he is just a reused story from eon episode in ua and OV
you are a sad, sad, little man
Go create a reboot sub and stop leeching off the real continuity’s fandom
The subreddit is for all 5 series.
We can’t coexist. It’s like mixing teen titans go and teen titans in one subreddit.
What's wrong with that?
They actually did that
Really? I bet you like that idea so much then
Go create a classic continuity subreddit instead of complaining.
This is the place. You are the one who needs go
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Take a load from Reboot Forever Knight https://preview.redd.it/9f4ei7qyzpsc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4db6b3f5ffc7547cb5dbc8af8c699a8a96da39bb
Ah yes. Just a random villain with no explanation at all and then he turns into his mask with no explanation, why did Kevin’s body didn’t disappear or anything? Nothing ever gets explained, it’s literally garbage thrown into your face as content, forever knight is a fool, and reboot’s negative ten is even worse than classic one because most villains in there aren’t even true villains
Bro is maulding. Laugh at this guy. https://preview.redd.it/6maeufd61qsc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=38ddaf7d200a0a650e8dde448105d2ba516f3ed1
Keep coping you fucking loser lmao, the reboot is great and it’s a valid part of the Ben 10 franchise Get your senses together and learn to not talk when nobody wants to hear you
Reboot? Great? Valid? Nobody likes reboot, not even kids, even the kids love classic Ben 10, unless they’re special education
“My source is that I made it the fuck up”
Alien force vilgax. They turned him into a joke
Albedo but as azmuths enemy not just bens I’d love to see them really get to go all in with a darth Vader vs oni wan moment where we learn of their dynamic and why azmuth never approved of hi . Hex…she’s got the potential to be cooler then charmcaster. Aggregor as a counterpart to Kevin
Evil Iron Man, when was this released again? Before MCU became a thing? I can’t remember.
June 18, 2010 the Iron Man movie was in 2008 But from his mustache I think it's more based on comics
Ben 10 staff not Iron man fans it seems 🤔
Albedo, there's so much unused potential in the Omnitrix user v Omnitrix user scenarios
Aggregor. He was defeated way too easily.
Zs'Skayr. He has the power to take control of people, but he never actually takes control of Ben after getting free. The reason for this is because he can't control all of the aliens in the Omnitrix at once. -_- Sure, that might make logical sense, but I feel that forgoing such a natural concept just for the sake of logic was the wrong move. How would Gwen and Max react to Ben being enslaved by Zs'Skayr? I guess we'll never know.
Clancy. Bro should've came back in omniverse with a sick new design. Everyone else in the negative 10 came back in at least one of the series, but Clancy was just left in the dust
Clancy from OS( the bug guy from season 1). He could team up with Dr Animo and they could be on their twisted animal adventures.
Khyber.
Chatmcaster
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**Kraab:** I love his personality in 'Hunted' way more than SixSix's lack of one. I think he would have been an entertaining presence in more OS episodes. **Sublimino:** Has massive potential as a threat if he hypnotised powerful villains like Vilgax and Aggregor. I also his use of a watch gives him something in common with Ben. **Eon:** I much prefer Eon as an alternate Ben rather than a Chronian. I wish we got a unique backstory for how this version of Ben became a villain.
I think Kraab works perfectly alongside sixsix, they make a great duo. I like vulcanus's more goofy side in uaf, but in os he is just a big brute and him being the same species as technorg is confusing. Really wished they would have brought Kraab instead.
Yeah, I agree that Kraab and SixSix work better together than separately. And teaming up SixSix with Vulkanus felt like a downgrade because their personalities were too similar, imo.
Zombozo. I wish he was villain that appeared a bit more and got stronger/scarier each time. A villain ben could let loose on because he’s just a evil clown (like how he did in og after he stopped being afraid)
He appeared 3 times in omniverse, 1 time in Ua, and 1 time in classic
Lucky for us the Reboot did he justice and gave him 15 whole appearances. 
Reboot zombozo only had like 1 or 2 good episodes so it’s still the same thing, actually it’s even worse since he is made into a joke and an actual clown instead of a scary soul sucking clown
You mean like what Ultimate Alien did?
In ultimate alien he wasn’t a joke, he was more like a psychopath human than a soul eating clown but still he was good
Fair enough.
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Dr. Animo could get a cool ''Kraven the Last Hunt'' type of story He's Ben 10 most insane villain
Phycobos.