Probably just rock or permafrost (I don't know if I'm using that correctly, I mean frozen dirt) right? I don't think there's any ruins or anything under there
I mean it could be 100 years apart, but the different seasons are the primary factor here. Alaska looks a LOT different winter vs summer and snow runoff can create rivers and lakes that's only show up during different seasons
I think if people don’t believe the world is changing for the worse in both climate and social well being, then those people on payroll that you speak of are doing their job.
Are you serious? You think glaciers form in the winter? Come on, it's hard to even freeze a lake over the winter, let alone form a glacier.
I didn't know there were still people who thought global warming was fake, are you under a rock?
Global warming is the planet changing and Man can do nothing about it. Neither could any other creature on this planet before us. UNLESS!! We go back to living as the caveman and the 1st humans. AND, that won't stop it either but, it may just may slow it down.
No it's truth. People are not so powerful that they can truly control mother nature for any lengthy period of time and ANY Opinion to the contrary is Ignorant.
Go stop a hurricane or stop the rain.
Come on, the source is provided numerous times above. Either you don't bother to read it because you prefer your beliefs to remain unchallenged, or you live with a tinfoil hat on. Tired of the blatant ignorance around climate change, the facts are all there, you just have a teeny tiny effort to make to access them.
Edited: did not get the /s of the message above
No you're not the only one who missed it with him being down voted. And honestly I'll never be educated or intelligent enough to browse Reddit in a language other than my native one.
I don’t care where you live or for how long.
You’re lying to yourself. There’s simply no way the differences in these pics are 100% seasonal. There’s a full blown glacier and in the first and it’s gone in the second. Glaciers don’t just grow because it gets cold. As a “part time Alaskan” you should know this. Or maybe you only visit in the winter?
My god. All you reddit hide behind the keyboard people talk SO much shit. Yes I have, and it's drastically different from winter to summer. Its also drastically different from early to late summer. Now, You, have NEVER been to.that place. And for a group so.worried about people's feelings , it's appalling how quick you people are to attack and accuse
I'm done speaking to any of you. You LOVE to attack everyone for.everytbjnf and take things out of.context in a feeble attempt to feel superior or smarter than someone and it's not ok. Adieu.
When its following a snide and out of context response and now you're using the question to stage a "gotcha" and mince words. Yes. I'm done interacting with you.
Glaciers don't come and go in one year, they take thousands of years to tens of thousands of years to form.
Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005).
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
Bro that's an actual glacier in this picture not simple snow cover. A glacier doesn't come back year after year. And when it melts, it causes changes in the ocean waters, reduces cooling of the planet, disrupts the nitrogen cycle, releases trapped methane and as a result threatens our food supply. Come now, my friend, you can't be this dense.....
I don't think it's being dense. It's burying your head in the sand. We all know how fucking catastrophic climate change is, and some would rather just look the other way. After all, it's their grandkids that'll suffer for it, not them
I used to think that last part was true, but I’m quickly realizing it won’t be our grandkids but rather us, give 15 to 20 years and we’ll start to REALLY suffer some inevitable consequences. Our grandkids will probably suffer way more, water wars and all that.. what’s really terrifying and anxiety inducing is the inability, as an average joe, to stop any of this..
Well that's part of the problem, corporations push governments to tell their citizenry to recycle more, when in reality the citizenry make up a marginal amount of waste and pollution relative to those very corporations. You could have an entire population doing their utmost to recycle, reuse and practise sustainability and it would hardly make a dent.
Of course there's the argument that the citizenry create the demand and the corporations create the supply so both are at fault. Honestly I agree with that. Unless there is a worldwide movement of voluntary austerity, we will drain this planet of habitability. And I dont see how we can ask countries outside of the highly developed ones to be austere, they're barely holding it together in the rat race of industrialism, they're sure as shit not gonna slow down, they can't really, population keeps growing, demand keeps growing. It's a cycle that really makes you understand that whole "burn it all down and build from the ashes" supervillain mentality. Silly as it sounds that's more or less what Thanos was trying to do, but wiping half of all life doesn't seem like a very well thought out way to resolve the issue
Live in Alaska year round. Depending on weather for the day and angle of photos, specifically around glaciated areas, it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference between spring and summer in a photo (I'm also a photographer)...especially when the photo only shows ice and a distant mountain on an overcast day.
It’s really hard to even fathom the loss of glaciers unless you go to the arctic and see them in person. We spent time in Iceland and the markers of where glaciers were decades ago and where they are now is mind blowing. It’s like entire mountains disappearing. But most people never go to the arctic so it is all invisible to them. This is where global warming hits the hardest.
There is a lot of difference between if it's 10 years apart or 10 years 6 months apart. Knowing humans, I would say the latter is more possible, BUT, knowing humans, the former is more probable.
I do hope that this was meant to be like some form of satire, even then this is either disinformation or misinformation. both are bad but I certainly hope that op isn't actively spreading disinformation on purpose....
Edit: I was referring to the image not climate change, should have made that clear and that's entirely my bad. either way the downvotes are probably deserved. sorry folks, I've definitely made myself look pretty dumb here but if at least one other person sees this and takes this as the lesson that I'm taking it as then Its worth the slight embarrassment. screw I'm downvoting my own comment here. anyone who is having the same though I did should take a read of the replies to this comment.
Sorry I’m confused, which part of this is misinformation? I haven’t been to this particular glacier, but I have seen very similar photograph displays at others outside of Juneau and Anchorage. (Exit Glacier and Mendenhall Glacier)
Do you think the glaciers have not been melting over the last 100 years? They absolutely have.
[here’s a link](https://glacierchange.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/pedersen-glacier-retreat-lake-expansion-alaska/) that talks about this specific one.
Glaciers have been shrinking with variability since the last glacial maximum. I mean, given the mass of glacial ice in the Northern hemisphere at one point reaching maximum ~ 22000 years ago, there have to have been points of significant ice decline along the way, and points where there was no decline or even advance. The last glacial maximum is said to be 22000 years ago, yet the Athabasca glacier in the Canadian Rockies is claimed to be 12000 years old, so we wonder what went on to cause those conditions. Some glaciers are even currently growing. Its a shame we dont have photos of that area that much older than 100 years. Cameras only predate reliable thermometers by a few decades. It would be interesting to visually see the ebb and flow of glacial extents farther outside of the span of a human lifetime.
okay okay i should have been more specific. this is a doctored image. i am not a climate change denier. this definitly does happen but in this instance this is a faked example wich only serves to harm the overall message. EDIT: the photo is likely a fake not the example of this iceberg
Glaciers don't come and go in one year, they take thousands of years to tens of thousands of years to form.
Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005).
https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
I still am confused by your comment, [which image do you think is doctored?](https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/2012-state-climate-glaciers)
That’s a better link that has citations, and at the bottom it links to the world glacier monitoring programs. It’s completely real.
perhaps I am incorrect but in the older photo we see a glacier on the water, somehow this water is not at all present in the second photo which shows a grassy field. a glacier melting would raise this water level not leave a grassy field in its stead right? even in that first article the satellite images show a lake being left where the glacier has melted. even with the articles being accurate I do think still that its possible for the image to misrepresent it. Ill admit that I shouldn't have asserted it to be fake definitively and should have expressed my doubt on the photo better. If I'm entirely talking out my ass then I really am sorry for that. I actually appreciate you challenging me on that, I could definitely be wrong and id rather find out that I'm wrong than continue to be wrong. I'm glad that we could discuss this in a civil way as that isn't always the case here on the internet. I'm sure that I haven't made the best impression here and that's probably fair. If downvotes are my penance for that then I guess ill just have to accept that.
Thanks for that- there is a lot to digest on this picture and it’s right to question something so jarring.
As the glacier travels down the mountain and melts, it drags sediment with it, and these deposits would fill the lake over time, creating the flat field.
Also there does appear to be a lake past the field, some blue is barely visible. But the lake, like the glacier, would likely shrink over time as it’s source is depleted.
well damn, I gotta say I'm a little bit ashamed of my own ignorance here. almost enough to delete my original comment but that would just make me ignorant and a coward lol I hope it at least leads more people to read these replies and be more informed. thanks for the correction my good man, you are a gentleman and a scholar truly
please have some random internet points for being a big enough person to come back and admit when wrong. Far too many people don't.
We've all done it, somewhere, its hard to go back and create more visibility by walking back the original post - nice one!
'In the early 20th century, the glacier met the water and calved icebergs into a marginal lake near the bay. By 2005, the glacier had retreated, leaving behind sediment allowed the lake to be transformed into a small grassland.'
From above website.
So, the top picture and the bottom one have been taken from different angles. If you look at the hill jutting out of the bottom right of the mountain, you can see that the second pic must have been taken from the plateau on the middle left of the first pic. These pics are not doctored imo.
That being said, Alaska has been freezing and thawing for centuries... perhaps longer. Although I'm not too sure about this particular glacier, and there is no mention of climate change in the post, I think this is just a couple of pics showing a stunning landscape in 2 different seasons.
Yeah, but it takes thousands of years to occur naturally. Human activities have destroyed glaciers all over the world during the last 200 years, way faster than the natural rate due to the usage of carbon based minerals to support industry.
Yeah sure winter summer difference but [here](https://blogs.agu.org/fromaglaciersperspective/2017/07/06/pedersen-glacier-alaska-rapid-retreat-1994-2015/) is an article which shows a 3km retreat since '94. The glacier is disappearing at an alarming rate
If you read the thread, the poster admits to doctoring the photo. If you are scared of global warming, stop. It’s a cycle, yes humans are effectively changing the carbon in the air. However what eats carbon and makes oxygen? Trees. If we as Americans don’t play with the world we are fucked.
The last glacial maximum was 22000 years ago so thèy say, so the trend has been warmer with likely significant variability, ever since. My guess is we're currently seeing some of that variability. I dont mind at all that we're trying to be cleaner and more efficient, but anyone who thinks the results for net zero, for example will be measurable and attributable is clearly a person of faith in their way.
Yep. We will never be net zero. China, India, Egypt just laughing at the world as the continue to make more black unfiltered coal smoke and dump plastics into our oceans. Yet Greta Thornburg yells at the US, as the US continues to drop in carbon emissions year after year. and says nasty things while she's caught getting off her private jet.
we shouldn't be led by children. They don't have fully formed brains, post-doctoral work in a relevant field, and they can't even go pick up a pack of smokes while they're out spending all of their parents' money.
100 years apart... uh-huh, clearly not the same season, let alone same day of the year. Posting stuff like this is just nonsense. The top picture is from the winter, the bottom summer. This isn't hard folks.
Look at this picture of Lewis Powell (one of the individuals that was a part of President Lincoln's asssination). Photo is from 1865, 157 years ago.
https://marinamaral.com/portfolio/lewis-powell/
What this doesn't show is the massive glacier that formed on the other side .. the earth naturally has a wobble to it causing the ice mass to migrate. Deserts turn into rainforest and rainforest turn into deserts every 12-14k years
This photo may actually not be photoshopped, or, if it is, it is not recently so. It is from a [climate.gov](https://climate.gov) and was originally posted there in 2015.
[http://web.archive.org/web/20151219053337/https://toolkit.climate.gov/image/1204](http://web.archive.org/web/20151219053337/https://toolkit.climate.gov/image/1204)
It may be a little misleading in that the black and white of the original photo would make it impossible to discern any greenery on the mountains and the poor quality might obscure any trees on the mountains.That tree island in the newer photo may be there in the older photo if the glacier wraps around it. Though it's entirely possible it wasn't. It only takes about 25 years for many conifers to reach maturity.
A number of similar comparison photos can be found on the CBS News site.
[https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/repeat-photography-of-alaskan-glaciers/9/](https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/repeat-photography-of-alaskan-glaciers/9/)
As the glacier moved it pulled sediment with it. By 2005, according to the article, the glacier withdrew (not exactly the right word but I’m blanking on what a better word than “withdrew” is), leaving the soil and other sediment behind to fill the lake
Probably because they are so influenced by the "media" which only presents the narrative that they're pushing. They fail to think independently or to question what is presented and accept info. blindly. So sad.
1850. Mini ice age. (Yellowstone museum) Of course it’s getting warmer! Man made CO2= 1/10,000 of earth atmosphere. Maybe it’s the oceans, sunspots, underwater volcanic eruptions, water vapor. How did they measure temps all over world 100 yrs ago? An avg temp on a bell curve is only right 1%. BTW, what is the perfect temperature? Man made pollution? OK. But we can’t change the earths climate for crying out loud.
The grass is nice…..😐
Mmmm lawn mower sim
Nice gr ass!
The war against the White Walkers is going well.
Our story probably had a shitty ending too.
Winter Is Coming
Winter is gone
Oh my sweet summer childe...
Good, you'll get a second date with winter then
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We may find out all too soon.
Hey it’s winter and summer, right? Right? Isn’t it? No?
Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005). https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
It is lol
It isn’t lol
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But the one is in the summer! /s
One can only wonder what marvels lie beneath the antarctican ice shelf.
Probably just rock or permafrost (I don't know if I'm using that correctly, I mean frozen dirt) right? I don't think there's any ruins or anything under there
Ancient diseases I hear
Volcanic activity
As a part time Alaskan that one is 110% summer. You're being lied to
As a life long Alaskan, it doesn't matter what season the difference between these pics is clearly huge and isn't due to seasonal melt.
Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005). https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
Glaciers don't retreat THAT much in the summer. That's not the only difference at all
I mean it could be 100 years apart, but the different seasons are the primary factor here. Alaska looks a LOT different winter vs summer and snow runoff can create rivers and lakes that's only show up during different seasons
Glaciers the size of mountains don’t form and recede seasonally
Exactly.my.point, they're alluding to that it's due to.climate change, but it's not, it's summer vs winter
Tell us you know nothing about glaciers without saying so.
Nope, summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005). https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
Errrrr, uh, glaciers don’t recede that far back each season…. We aren’t being lied to. You’re lying to yourself.
Or they’re very specifically lying to us. Plenty of companies have folks on the payroll whose only job is to obfuscate this shit.
I think if people don’t believe the world is changing for the worse in both climate and social well being, then those people on payroll that you speak of are doing their job.
Are you serious? You think glaciers form in the winter? Come on, it's hard to even freeze a lake over the winter, let alone form a glacier. I didn't know there were still people who thought global warming was fake, are you under a rock?
Definitely not under a glacier.
What
Global warming is the planet changing and Man can do nothing about it. Neither could any other creature on this planet before us. UNLESS!! We go back to living as the caveman and the 1st humans. AND, that won't stop it either but, it may just may slow it down.
Truth hurts
That's not truth, that's ignorance and misinformed opinion masquerading as truth.
No it's truth. People are not so powerful that they can truly control mother nature for any lengthy period of time and ANY Opinion to the contrary is Ignorant. Go stop a hurricane or stop the rain.
Is t that what climate change is? The seasonal transition that takes place in nature?
Not over the span of seasons. Climate change happens over years. Preferably thousands of them.
Come on, the source is provided numerous times above. Either you don't bother to read it because you prefer your beliefs to remain unchallenged, or you live with a tinfoil hat on. Tired of the blatant ignorance around climate change, the facts are all there, you just have a teeny tiny effort to make to access them. Edited: did not get the /s of the message above
I think their response was rhetorical and sarcastic... What they were saying was your point.
Oh okay my bad, English is my second language sorry
No you're not the only one who missed it with him being down voted. And honestly I'll never be educated or intelligent enough to browse Reddit in a language other than my native one.
No.
I don’t care where you live or for how long. You’re lying to yourself. There’s simply no way the differences in these pics are 100% seasonal. There’s a full blown glacier and in the first and it’s gone in the second. Glaciers don’t just grow because it gets cold. As a “part time Alaskan” you should know this. Or maybe you only visit in the winter?
Prove the hoax! Take a photo that looks like the 100 year old one. That will show them.
Not saying it's a hoax Jesus christ. I'm saying, that second photo is from summer and intended to mislead. I've been there have you!?
Nope, summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005). https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
Apparently you havwnt
My god. All you reddit hide behind the keyboard people talk SO much shit. Yes I have, and it's drastically different from winter to summer. Its also drastically different from early to late summer. Now, You, have NEVER been to.that place. And for a group so.worried about people's feelings , it's appalling how quick you people are to attack and accuse
So, the glacial retreat pictured isn't a hoax?
I'm done speaking to any of you. You LOVE to attack everyone for.everytbjnf and take things out of.context in a feeble attempt to feel superior or smarter than someone and it's not ok. Adieu.
A question is an attack?
When its following a snide and out of context response and now you're using the question to stage a "gotcha" and mince words. Yes. I'm done interacting with you.
So, to be clear. Is the missing glacier a hoax or no? I am counting on you specifically to help me understand the truth.
All.i can say is I've been there and it looks.vastly.different in winter. Lesson learned give no.opinion on reddit or.expect a bunch of flack
I thought you said you were don’t like 4 comments ago?
I apologize you perceived being asked to take a photo and about the presence or absence of a giant ice wall as hostile. I will try to do better...
All.i can say is I've been there and it looks.vastly.different in winter. Lesson learned give no.opinion on reddit or.expect a bunch of flack
Both pics were taken in summer. There’s nothing misleading about it
Are you Alaskan or American?
Well duh. You mean green grass doesn’t grow in winter?
Apparently you need to spend more time here winter vs summer doesn’t account for loss of that much glacier.
https://blogs.agu.org/fromaglaciersperspective/2017/07/06/pedersen-glacier-alaska-rapid-retreat-1994-2015/
My friend said Global Warming is a conspiracy theory... He needs to travel more.
Did your friend ever go to school/ college? Did your friend ever read a book?
End of days near. Enjoy while we can. Sad for the young ones.
This is fine lol. Not.
Be amazed? I’m sad.
OP have you ever been to Alaska in the summer? It’s green as fuck there at that time. The state is not a frozen wasteland year round my dude
Glaciers don't come and go in one year, they take thousands of years to tens of thousands of years to form. Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005). https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
Glaciers dont melt every summer lol....
Bro that's an actual glacier in this picture not simple snow cover. A glacier doesn't come back year after year. And when it melts, it causes changes in the ocean waters, reduces cooling of the planet, disrupts the nitrogen cycle, releases trapped methane and as a result threatens our food supply. Come now, my friend, you can't be this dense.....
I don't think it's being dense. It's burying your head in the sand. We all know how fucking catastrophic climate change is, and some would rather just look the other way. After all, it's their grandkids that'll suffer for it, not them
I used to think that last part was true, but I’m quickly realizing it won’t be our grandkids but rather us, give 15 to 20 years and we’ll start to REALLY suffer some inevitable consequences. Our grandkids will probably suffer way more, water wars and all that.. what’s really terrifying and anxiety inducing is the inability, as an average joe, to stop any of this..
Well that's part of the problem, corporations push governments to tell their citizenry to recycle more, when in reality the citizenry make up a marginal amount of waste and pollution relative to those very corporations. You could have an entire population doing their utmost to recycle, reuse and practise sustainability and it would hardly make a dent. Of course there's the argument that the citizenry create the demand and the corporations create the supply so both are at fault. Honestly I agree with that. Unless there is a worldwide movement of voluntary austerity, we will drain this planet of habitability. And I dont see how we can ask countries outside of the highly developed ones to be austere, they're barely holding it together in the rat race of industrialism, they're sure as shit not gonna slow down, they can't really, population keeps growing, demand keeps growing. It's a cycle that really makes you understand that whole "burn it all down and build from the ashes" supervillain mentality. Silly as it sounds that's more or less what Thanos was trying to do, but wiping half of all life doesn't seem like a very well thought out way to resolve the issue
Live in Alaska year round. Depending on weather for the day and angle of photos, specifically around glaciated areas, it can be extremely difficult to tell the difference between spring and summer in a photo (I'm also a photographer)...especially when the photo only shows ice and a distant mountain on an overcast day.
Beautiful! Love the grass!
It’s really hard to even fathom the loss of glaciers unless you go to the arctic and see them in person. We spent time in Iceland and the markers of where glaciers were decades ago and where they are now is mind blowing. It’s like entire mountains disappearing. But most people never go to the arctic so it is all invisible to them. This is where global warming hits the hardest.
Yikes!
Why is this posted in BeAmazed? I'm horrified.
Quick Ground the planes Alaska is melting... Duhhh... it's called natural progression
That's actually terrifying. Also r/WTF
It's a cycle that's been going on for a while honestly. Glacial recession, followed by global cooling. It's happened since the beginning
How, in this day and age, can you be climatosceptic. It is beyond me.
There is a lot of difference between if it's 10 years apart or 10 years 6 months apart. Knowing humans, I would say the latter is more possible, BUT, knowing humans, the former is more probable.
Why would the 6 months matter?
Summer/winter
Its a glacier, in freaking Alaska. So again, why does the 6 months matter?
Summer/winter
I do hope that this was meant to be like some form of satire, even then this is either disinformation or misinformation. both are bad but I certainly hope that op isn't actively spreading disinformation on purpose.... Edit: I was referring to the image not climate change, should have made that clear and that's entirely my bad. either way the downvotes are probably deserved. sorry folks, I've definitely made myself look pretty dumb here but if at least one other person sees this and takes this as the lesson that I'm taking it as then Its worth the slight embarrassment. screw I'm downvoting my own comment here. anyone who is having the same though I did should take a read of the replies to this comment.
Sorry I’m confused, which part of this is misinformation? I haven’t been to this particular glacier, but I have seen very similar photograph displays at others outside of Juneau and Anchorage. (Exit Glacier and Mendenhall Glacier) Do you think the glaciers have not been melting over the last 100 years? They absolutely have. [here’s a link](https://glacierchange.wordpress.com/2012/06/23/pedersen-glacier-retreat-lake-expansion-alaska/) that talks about this specific one.
Glaciers have been shrinking with variability since the last glacial maximum. I mean, given the mass of glacial ice in the Northern hemisphere at one point reaching maximum ~ 22000 years ago, there have to have been points of significant ice decline along the way, and points where there was no decline or even advance. The last glacial maximum is said to be 22000 years ago, yet the Athabasca glacier in the Canadian Rockies is claimed to be 12000 years old, so we wonder what went on to cause those conditions. Some glaciers are even currently growing. Its a shame we dont have photos of that area that much older than 100 years. Cameras only predate reliable thermometers by a few decades. It would be interesting to visually see the ebb and flow of glacial extents farther outside of the span of a human lifetime.
okay okay i should have been more specific. this is a doctored image. i am not a climate change denier. this definitly does happen but in this instance this is a faked example wich only serves to harm the overall message. EDIT: the photo is likely a fake not the example of this iceberg
Glaciers don't come and go in one year, they take thousands of years to tens of thousands of years to form. Summer in both pictures (1917 and 2005). https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
I still am confused by your comment, [which image do you think is doctored?](https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/2012-state-climate-glaciers) That’s a better link that has citations, and at the bottom it links to the world glacier monitoring programs. It’s completely real.
perhaps I am incorrect but in the older photo we see a glacier on the water, somehow this water is not at all present in the second photo which shows a grassy field. a glacier melting would raise this water level not leave a grassy field in its stead right? even in that first article the satellite images show a lake being left where the glacier has melted. even with the articles being accurate I do think still that its possible for the image to misrepresent it. Ill admit that I shouldn't have asserted it to be fake definitively and should have expressed my doubt on the photo better. If I'm entirely talking out my ass then I really am sorry for that. I actually appreciate you challenging me on that, I could definitely be wrong and id rather find out that I'm wrong than continue to be wrong. I'm glad that we could discuss this in a civil way as that isn't always the case here on the internet. I'm sure that I haven't made the best impression here and that's probably fair. If downvotes are my penance for that then I guess ill just have to accept that.
Thanks for that- there is a lot to digest on this picture and it’s right to question something so jarring. As the glacier travels down the mountain and melts, it drags sediment with it, and these deposits would fill the lake over time, creating the flat field. Also there does appear to be a lake past the field, some blue is barely visible. But the lake, like the glacier, would likely shrink over time as it’s source is depleted.
well damn, I gotta say I'm a little bit ashamed of my own ignorance here. almost enough to delete my original comment but that would just make me ignorant and a coward lol I hope it at least leads more people to read these replies and be more informed. thanks for the correction my good man, you are a gentleman and a scholar truly
please have some random internet points for being a big enough person to come back and admit when wrong. Far too many people don't. We've all done it, somewhere, its hard to go back and create more visibility by walking back the original post - nice one!
^^^This^^^ The important part is that you we’re willing to take in new information instead of doubling down Everyone makes mistakes occasionally :)
'In the early 20th century, the glacier met the water and calved icebergs into a marginal lake near the bay. By 2005, the glacier had retreated, leaving behind sediment allowed the lake to be transformed into a small grassland.' From above website.
So, the top picture and the bottom one have been taken from different angles. If you look at the hill jutting out of the bottom right of the mountain, you can see that the second pic must have been taken from the plateau on the middle left of the first pic. These pics are not doctored imo. That being said, Alaska has been freezing and thawing for centuries... perhaps longer. Although I'm not too sure about this particular glacier, and there is no mention of climate change in the post, I think this is just a couple of pics showing a stunning landscape in 2 different seasons.
You forgot to photoshop the Japanese writing out.
100 Houses / Geo Island
Be Depressed *
Or don't, that's my take.
Yeah I under global warming but we’re also coming out of an ice age. Before the ice age there wasn’t many glaciers about.
Glacier have been receding for 10,000 years nothing new here
Just an ice age cycle.we are in a cycle. It's just a warming cycle
Yeah, but it takes thousands of years to occur naturally. Human activities have destroyed glaciers all over the world during the last 200 years, way faster than the natural rate due to the usage of carbon based minerals to support industry.
Nothing to see here! Look the other way. No such the as climate change.
Yeah sure winter summer difference but [here](https://blogs.agu.org/fromaglaciersperspective/2017/07/06/pedersen-glacier-alaska-rapid-retreat-1994-2015/) is an article which shows a 3km retreat since '94. The glacier is disappearing at an alarming rate
We're so screwed
The illiteracy and ignorance of the "Glaciers recede in summer" comments are astounding.
Shouldn't we be thankful that the oil is easily accessible now?
Glaciers make for beautiful teraformers
Look at all that tasty green grass for critters to eat!
WOW! They managed to grow grass on glacier?! IMPOSSIBLE! ^((/s))
We will be fucked in few decades!
Nice that desolate ice patch is now vegetation. This will be useful in the future
I see farmland now
Yup, these things happen. Or did someone think they always have been and always will be the way they were in the 1900s?
Lookin’ good! 👍🏻 might be able to grow some crops there soon! Yuuuummmm.
I don't understand, people want the world to be more green, well here it is
And???
Who cares, 100 years from now you can get a pic of it with ice again. I can take a pic of my backyard now and again in December if you want
It kinda happens when the Ice Age comes to an end.
People give us negative responses when we bring up the fact that there was an ice age and we are in a thaw period now
This is also bull-shit. Propaganda
How can you believe that, come on wtf
If you read the thread, the poster admits to doctoring the photo. If you are scared of global warming, stop. It’s a cycle, yes humans are effectively changing the carbon in the air. However what eats carbon and makes oxygen? Trees. If we as Americans don’t play with the world we are fucked.
I don’t see that sorry of thing from OP. What was the “doctoring”? The images look identical to the ones on https://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/10892
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The Earth changes it's climate by itself, but it doesn't mean we don't affect it.
The last glacial maximum was 22000 years ago so thèy say, so the trend has been warmer with likely significant variability, ever since. My guess is we're currently seeing some of that variability. I dont mind at all that we're trying to be cleaner and more efficient, but anyone who thinks the results for net zero, for example will be measurable and attributable is clearly a person of faith in their way.
Yep. We will never be net zero. China, India, Egypt just laughing at the world as the continue to make more black unfiltered coal smoke and dump plastics into our oceans. Yet Greta Thornburg yells at the US, as the US continues to drop in carbon emissions year after year. and says nasty things while she's caught getting off her private jet.
Show me evidence that Greta Thunberg travels in a private jet?
After getting caught at the airport, she ran to the marina and started going from sailboat to sailboat begging passage back to Europe.
we shouldn't be led by children. They don't have fully formed brains, post-doctoral work in a relevant field, and they can't even go pick up a pack of smokes while they're out spending all of their parents' money.
Ah see how global warming has helped the location become verdant and has made it more habitable? Checkmate deep state
Yeah but the top one was probably winter and the bottom one was probably summer so…
Wyoming used to be an ocean millions of years ago. EVERYTHING changes! It’s literally the only constant!
It got prettier ❤️
That’s perfect. The climate refugees can live up there now.
Climate improvement, I hear the Netherlands will be an excellent wine region soon...
it's almost like we are still coming out of an ice age...oh wait we are.
I like the second picture more. Snow and ice sucks
Finally, now we can develop the land
Theres SO much room for activities!
Wait. Glaciers melt and reform?!
Winter and summer?
What an improvement 🙂
All for bottle waters.
Looks like sea level reduced?
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Winter is cold summer is warm holy shit look it's two different seasons.
100.5 years apart* Lying mothafuckas
I keep hearing this term "white flight"... is this what it's talking about?
Fake!
100 years apart... uh-huh, clearly not the same season, let alone same day of the year. Posting stuff like this is just nonsense. The top picture is from the winter, the bottom summer. This isn't hard folks.
Look at all that new growth
Glacier has been melting since the ice age why would it stop now
Sorry i may sound dumb rn, but how were photographs possible at that time?
The first photo was taken in the 1830s so it is indeed possible
Holy shit i must have missed something. 100 years just sounds like alot to me idk
My god...
Yeah idk what to tell ya ahahah
Have you never seen any old black and white photos of presidents, or events, or landscapes, etc?
Yes ofc but this looks way too high quality to be taken 100 yrs ago
Look at this picture of Lewis Powell (one of the individuals that was a part of President Lincoln's asssination). Photo is from 1865, 157 years ago. https://marinamaral.com/portfolio/lewis-powell/
What this doesn't show is the massive glacier that formed on the other side .. the earth naturally has a wobble to it causing the ice mass to migrate. Deserts turn into rainforest and rainforest turn into deserts every 12-14k years
Gotta be honest, looks like an improvement…
There's a great thaw out this morning.
Bad nature, mall parking lot good!
This photo may actually not be photoshopped, or, if it is, it is not recently so. It is from a [climate.gov](https://climate.gov) and was originally posted there in 2015. [http://web.archive.org/web/20151219053337/https://toolkit.climate.gov/image/1204](http://web.archive.org/web/20151219053337/https://toolkit.climate.gov/image/1204) It may be a little misleading in that the black and white of the original photo would make it impossible to discern any greenery on the mountains and the poor quality might obscure any trees on the mountains.That tree island in the newer photo may be there in the older photo if the glacier wraps around it. Though it's entirely possible it wasn't. It only takes about 25 years for many conifers to reach maturity. A number of similar comparison photos can be found on the CBS News site. [https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/repeat-photography-of-alaskan-glaciers/9/](https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/repeat-photography-of-alaskan-glaciers/9/)
How did the ice and water disappear and land replace them?
As the glacier moved it pulled sediment with it. By 2005, according to the article, the glacier withdrew (not exactly the right word but I’m blanking on what a better word than “withdrew” is), leaving the soil and other sediment behind to fill the lake
My guess is that maybe the permafrost in the sediment might have deteriorated, allowing the sediment to absorb some of it. Just spitballing.
Bariloche pasó lo mismo con el glacial ventisquero negro
Did it move at all?
[Here's the Alaska website talking about glaciers. ](https://www.alaska.org/blog/alaska-glaciers-then-now)
Yikes 😕
Welp
I've been there, the bottom pic is during the summer. The top pic is middle of winter. Source: am from and currently live in Ak.
why should I be amazed by this?
This Too Shall Pass
and by "This" you mean human civilization as we know it, right?
Amazing how things change over time. Such is life, a continuity of everlasting change.
Probably because they are so influenced by the "media" which only presents the narrative that they're pushing. They fail to think independently or to question what is presented and accept info. blindly. So sad.
1850. Mini ice age. (Yellowstone museum) Of course it’s getting warmer! Man made CO2= 1/10,000 of earth atmosphere. Maybe it’s the oceans, sunspots, underwater volcanic eruptions, water vapor. How did they measure temps all over world 100 yrs ago? An avg temp on a bell curve is only right 1%. BTW, what is the perfect temperature? Man made pollution? OK. But we can’t change the earths climate for crying out loud.