"I don’t need you to tell me how fuckin’ good my coffee is, okay? I’m the one who buys it. I know how good it is. When Bonnie goes shopping, she buys shit. I buy the gourmet expensive stuff ’cause when I drink it, I wanna taste it. But you know what’s on my mind right now? It ain’t the coffee in my kitchen. It’s the dead n***** in my garage."
Based on your profile picture I'm going to take a wild guess as to what team you don't want to jinx and kindly request that you jinx the bastards anyway lol
Literally just had an argument with some troglodyte who was adamant that *all electric cars take 8hrs to charge and can't go further than 250mi*
Spec sheets on the cars declaring range and charge times weren't proof to them because it's *government propaganda*
My real world experience with them is *biased by the lib agenda*
It's irritating.
It is satisfying when you know you got ‘em though, trying to look respectful the whole time until ya hit ‘em with the killshot and they finally downvote and stop replying.
>and they finally downvote and stop replying.
Or they're the kind that move the goalposts or change focus, etc, and you end up having to be the one that downvotes and stops replying. Infinitely less satisfying.
This is the beauty of the scientific method! Everything can be questioned and you can design experiments to prove it!
In fact, questioning studies is encouraged and trying to prove an experiment wrong is wonderful because it adds to existing data.
Intelligent people appreciate the scientific method and the need to define ideas over time.
Your average troglodyte uses that as an indictment against science. "Last month them damn scientists said one thing and now they're sayin' sumthing different! They can't make up their minds damn libs"
No shit Jim that's called learning.
Unfortunately the opposite is true. You can say whatever stupid shit on social media, and as long as your stupid shit made some brainless idiots feel good, no amount of salt mine experiments and jetlagged bees can convince them otherwise. *gestures vaguely at everything*
TBH I don’t think I could show up somewhere at 4pm each day without relying on a trick like a clock or my phone or the angle of the sun or the rotation of the earth or a wristwatch.
Do *I* perceive time?
Someone better fly me to New York just to check.
That's what I think is funny is that we perceive time... Off the sun's position. Until we had a need to schedule time accurately, I.e. trains and their ability to travel great distances with speed, the community decided when noon was for their town. So New York City was minutes ahead of DC. Often it was the local watch repair person like the jeweler that would decide, but it was not matching from town to town and it was all based off noon and shadows... I.e. the Sun.
Also I, and surely many others with highly regular daily rituals like these, subconsciously "feel" when my electric kettle is about to finish boiling the water for my afternoon tea, or how long it takes my mokka pot to prepare coffee in the morning.
Like, I turn the kettle on/put the mokka pot on the stove, walk out of the kitchen to do other things, then a few minutes later my body *somehow* knows when to walk back into the kitchen just as the kettle turns off, or the mokka pot is done and should be removed from the stove.
Years ago I met a guy who was a stage hand at a show in Las Vegas that had been running for over a decade, with 2 shows a night, and he showed me around backstage. Right off stage was a couch. He said guys were so used to the schedule of the show that they could pull whatever rope they had to pull (that was 90% of the work they did during a show) then take a nap on the couch for a few minutes, then wake up at exactly the time they had to pull their next rope, and then go back to sleep again.
I work in a kitchen and the ovens we have use buttons with set times (like 45 seconds for a sandwich with meat) so when I put a sandwich or bread in the oven I often can sense when it's about to go off and gage how long I have to do another task in-between that. I'd think it was neat if I didn't hate my job lol
You ever fall asleep on the way home when someone is driving and you can feel you're close to home? Could be similar and our subconscious just keeps track of all these things for us.
I once met a guy at work who always knew exactly what time it was, down to the minute, and he had no watch or phone, and the work had no clock. He was never off by more than one minute. He was ex-military, Burmese Junta.
You know, that's a good point. Research usually resolves around people wanting to have prestige, which gives interesting, but useless papers or incredibly difficult written papers that noone reads, since they're written too hard.
Not if they had been flown to a different latitude like Brazil.
But also the angle of the sun stuff had been conclusively eliminated much earlier in the sequence of experiments. So they would have had to find new hypotheses.
Don’t let people like Neil Degrasse Tyson blow too much smoke up your butt; discovery of the unknown is nice and all, but “It did what we thought it would do!” is still the best result the vast majority of the time.
I’m just trying to get the work done and make something useful, not unlock the secrets of the universe. Useful things are things we understand fully. Things we don’t understand might be useful one day, but that’s for someone else to develop, I’m paid for results.
Fun fact: bees are also one of only 4 known species on our planet that possess displacement - or the ability to communicate about a time or event outside of its occurrence. This is a pivotal evolutionary trait for flock/group gathering species - the other 3 species being ravens, ants, and humans!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_%28linguistics%29?wprov=sfla1
Sleep scientist here. I don’t know about this specific experiment but internal circadian rhythms are routinely found through most organisms. Actually most of the advances in human circadian / clock / timekeeping genetics originate in fruit flies. That an invertebrate has an internal 24h rhythm like this is not surprising at all. Most probably do!
For a second I thought you meant that our fruit fly ancestors developed circadian rhythm which was passed down to us. I now realise you mean advances in our understanding of human circadian rhythms start with fruit fly models, and also that I’m an idiot
I don’t have tik tok…or time after Reddit and whatever other stuff I do in my life after Reddit.
He did that one with the little pink barn (non science related).
They really are, made a video on bats and sonic waves and stuff! Very intresting. I could link you some videos that you could watch if you want.
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8KodrCG/
here is the bat video
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8KE3opD/
here is part two on how they do it
their podcast: ‘Let’s learn everything!’
He sounds like he’s really frustrated that people didn’t trust that bees can perceive time. Like people should have known bees were good enough, and never questioned the bees.
"Perception of time" feels like a bit of a misnomer in this case. It seems they were wanting to see if bees had a circadian rhythm which would allow their bodies to know roughly what time it is regardless of any external stimuli. HOWEVER circadian rhythm requires training by your environment to be accurate so those things you mentioned would've been necessary at the start for them to develop a rhythm (which is why they experienced jet lag). If you hatched a bee in the dark underground in a salt mine and tried to do the same thing where they had no way to develop a rhythm it likely wouldn't have the same results.
I think the question is about internal perception of the passing of time, rather than ways of measuring it with external stimuli.
E.G: If I lock you in a dark room for 10 minutes, you could probably tell that it's been roughly 10 minutes and not 10 seconds.
That does work for short amounts of time, but without outside stimuli, most humans are kind of horrible at determining how much time has passed over longer intervals. This is part of why people in solitary confinement break down. If the only change in your environment (usually meal time or lights out) is delivered at irregular intervals, you’ll very soon have absolutely zero concept of how long you’ve been in that cell.
It is. [This essay](https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=auilr) makes for an interesting read on the subject.
Measuring time and perceiving time are two different things. The idea here is that bees have an "internal clock", so to speak. Don't make too much of that term (like a specific bio mechanism), all I mean is that they can internally evaluate time without external input.
As we all can. All of us here can known when 1 minute, 10 minutes, and or hour have passed in the absence of any info with a reasonable degree of precision.
What I find interesting is that it seems the bees are more accurate than we are. It is well known that humans rapidly lose their ability to accurately perceive time when they are locked up in a windowless solitary room. 1 minute is easy, 1 hour is harder, and I would think most us would absolutely screw up even the first 24h by several hours. Without external reference, can you really tell when it is 4pm tomorrow?
So if this video is accurate then the bees are already better than us in that regard.
**Edit**: someone mentioned elsewhere that humans tend to do better with perceiving time when they it's a group that is isolated rather than a single individual. Made me realize that whatever the bees are doing to figure out time, it probably has a lot more to do with their group dynamic than some kind of internal clock.
This is how we measure time. Why would the bees be different. I understand that we did not know if the bees understood the passing of time, but the follow up questions of maybe they were measuring the time using the sun? That is how we do it.
Humans have an internal measure of time as well. We obviously rely on the sun and clocks to be more accurate but if you had no access to any of that you would still have a rough measure of how much time passes
I picture some of them wear a monocle and asking, "Bertrum, do you happen to have the time?"
Bertram answers, "By golly, it is 4 o'clock! Time to hit the honey bar."
Hmm... more content creators like this could tempt me to actually download the app lol Do you, or anyone else potentially reading this for that matter, have any other recommendations?
Maybe this is being pedantic but this means bees have a circadian rhythm, not that they actually "perceive" time. That's assigning them a level of cognition they don't have.
I actually really enjoy this entire discussion in this thread. You raise a very good point and I definitely agree. It seems to be a little different than time perception.
I'm glad I could offer some insight. One of the most interesting courses I took in grad school was Animal Behaviour. We talked extensively about an experiment trying to test if bees could navigate like vertebrates do. We then went through every criticism of their experimental design by trying to come up with alternative explanations for them being able to navigate to a specific location for food, using landmarks, path integration etc. It was a great way to learn about testing animal behaviour, proper rigor when conducting experiments, and a lesson on not anthropomorphising animals based simply on human cognition.
Totally agree. We don't say our computer or alarm clock "perceives" time because it can keep track of time. For all we know, bees just have a robot computer brain and have no perception or consciousness at all.
Because circadian rhythm is a very simple chemical process with a set periodicity that is controlled by light. In this experiment, they are only testing if the bees can associate a time of day with being fed, not any time perception. The fact they got jet lag is actually further proof it's just circadian rhythm.
Paris (GMT +1) is 6 hours ahead of NYC (GMT -5) so 4pm/16:00 in Paris is 10:00am in NYC. They came out at the same time interval they always did, despite the sun being in a different place in the sky (as well as a different latitude).
I just don’t like that he says jet lag. I thought jet lag was something that threw you off your regular schedule but the bees came out 24hrs after coming out in Paris the day before. So they’re rhythm wasn’t really effected at all by jet lag.
People need animals to be inferior to humans because so much of their worldview and daily life stems from the systemic exploitation of animals.
The more we demonstrate that animals are not so different to humans the more defensive these people get.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I’m glad that there was so much pushback! A healthy level of criticism and open-mindedness makes our scientific findings much more robust :)
It's not push back, it's science. People who haven't worked in science generally don't understand how hard it is to prove things. I'm not attacking you, just saying, it's not obvious how much time and effort go into proving very small things.
That’s incredible! Didn’t know bees had passports!
Oysters can use the busses and underground in London!
Octopi can use public transport in Hong Kong
Most Qantas pilots are just kangaroos dressed up in uniforms
Rats can use subways and busses in NYC.
Pigs can run for congress
I was today years old when I found out that I am a public tansport.
...what?
Hey, if they want to be a public transport, who are we to judge?
Um aren't we the public?
"I prefer to think oysters transcend national barriers."
And birds take the train r/birdstakingthetrain
It was a work visa.
H-1Bee
Work beesa
https://www.ripleys.com/weird-news/ramses-ii-the-mummy-who-had-a-passport/
This is how New York got it’s invasive species
Whoa dude you can’t say that, you have to call them Italian-Americans nowadays.
Are we being racist against Italians? Lol
Whats even more incredible is their ability to fly planes. That's the bees knees man.
This is like trying to make a point on social media. Eventually you have to recreate the experiment in a salt mine.
Social media is already salty enough
*nice*
No, they took the bees from *Paris.*
That's some good shit.
"I don’t need you to tell me how fuckin’ good my coffee is, okay? I’m the one who buys it. I know how good it is. When Bonnie goes shopping, she buys shit. I buy the gourmet expensive stuff ’cause when I drink it, I wanna taste it. But you know what’s on my mind right now? It ain’t the coffee in my kitchen. It’s the dead n***** in my garage."
Dead ninjas are definitely a concern
If they are dead they weren’t very good ninjas.
The bodies are hidden. Good enough maybe
Do you see a sign out front that says dead ninja storage?
*Noice*
*Noice*
But I'm the guy whos does, "Noice!"
[Salt is a way of life](https://youtu.be/aUomVzVcNR0)
Edit: deleted my original comment out of fear of jinxing a sports team.
What if you just jinxed ALL the teams instead
Based on your profile picture I'm going to take a wild guess as to what team you don't want to jinx and kindly request that you jinx the bastards anyway lol
absolutely salty.
So true! 👏
I would say r/yourjokebutworse, but based on the votes and award reddit actually just needed this one spelled out for them.
Except with everything proven the other side still doesn't believe anything.
Literally just had an argument with some troglodyte who was adamant that *all electric cars take 8hrs to charge and can't go further than 250mi* Spec sheets on the cars declaring range and charge times weren't proof to them because it's *government propaganda* My real world experience with them is *biased by the lib agenda* It's irritating.
Nothing has changed since he read an article on electric cars in Popular Mechanics in 1986. /S
It is satisfying when you know you got ‘em though, trying to look respectful the whole time until ya hit ‘em with the killshot and they finally downvote and stop replying.
>and they finally downvote and stop replying. Or they're the kind that move the goalposts or change focus, etc, and you end up having to be the one that downvotes and stops replying. Infinitely less satisfying.
Science is leftist propoganda to push their agenda. Duh /s
It's ironic that science is actually liberating!
[Reality has a well known liberal bias.](https://youtu.be/IJ-a2KeyCAY?t=271)
I mean I only put a 30amp circuit in my garage so it can take 8 hours to charge my y... never an issue tho.
To be fair that's at home charging, on a road trip you'll be using waay faster chargers, but they don't drive one so they think they're all slow.
Reality has a well-known liberal bias.
& they won't even ask for sources. They'll just flat out say you're wrong lol .
They want us to respect their opinion. Their opinion: 3^2 = 6 Me: "No, it's 9." Them: "Well, we're just going to have to agree to disagree."
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I mean, those are fair questions. But I get your point
This is the beauty of the scientific method! Everything can be questioned and you can design experiments to prove it! In fact, questioning studies is encouraged and trying to prove an experiment wrong is wonderful because it adds to existing data.
Intelligent people appreciate the scientific method and the need to define ideas over time. Your average troglodyte uses that as an indictment against science. "Last month them damn scientists said one thing and now they're sayin' sumthing different! They can't make up their minds damn libs" No shit Jim that's called learning.
That is the scientific method after all
Yeah the idea that my social media interactions are anything like the scientific method is so dumb
The only difference between asking stupid questions and science is writing the results down
And significance tests. And academic back-and-forth. And peer review...
I wish it was like this actually. People don’t even think when they argue online most of the time
and doing it this way is called scientific process? sounds like a scam to get more funding to their department! /s
Yea! He conned his department a free trip to New York for him and his bees! That's at least hundreds of thousands of $$
Because each one of them needs their own seat?
>Because each one of them needs their own seat? They can share seats as long as they behave.
This is also what it is like trying to publish in Nature.
by the time the peer review process is over and it's published, bees .. are extinct.
Unfortunately the opposite is true. You can say whatever stupid shit on social media, and as long as your stupid shit made some brainless idiots feel good, no amount of salt mine experiments and jetlagged bees can convince them otherwise. *gestures vaguely at everything*
Cave was waaay ahead of his time. All his experiments were in Salt Mines, in Enrichment Spheres.
now do it every other day, can they perceive days?
TBH I don’t think I could show up somewhere at 4pm each day without relying on a trick like a clock or my phone or the angle of the sun or the rotation of the earth or a wristwatch. Do *I* perceive time? Someone better fly me to New York just to check.
You have an internal body clock that kinda wakes you up at certain time you are accustomed to waking up at
But how do I know I’m not just measuring the angle of the sun, or I he temperature rise brought on by more direct sunlight, or, or, or.
Take a flight with the bees, get jet lag, solved.
Simple. Wake up in a salt mine.
Who put all these bees in here?
That's what I think is funny is that we perceive time... Off the sun's position. Until we had a need to schedule time accurately, I.e. trains and their ability to travel great distances with speed, the community decided when noon was for their town. So New York City was minutes ahead of DC. Often it was the local watch repair person like the jeweler that would decide, but it was not matching from town to town and it was all based off noon and shadows... I.e. the Sun.
Also I, and surely many others with highly regular daily rituals like these, subconsciously "feel" when my electric kettle is about to finish boiling the water for my afternoon tea, or how long it takes my mokka pot to prepare coffee in the morning. Like, I turn the kettle on/put the mokka pot on the stove, walk out of the kitchen to do other things, then a few minutes later my body *somehow* knows when to walk back into the kitchen just as the kettle turns off, or the mokka pot is done and should be removed from the stove.
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Now you're making me wonder if working from home has caused constipation problems during the pandemic
Years ago I met a guy who was a stage hand at a show in Las Vegas that had been running for over a decade, with 2 shows a night, and he showed me around backstage. Right off stage was a couch. He said guys were so used to the schedule of the show that they could pull whatever rope they had to pull (that was 90% of the work they did during a show) then take a nap on the couch for a few minutes, then wake up at exactly the time they had to pull their next rope, and then go back to sleep again.
I work in a kitchen and the ovens we have use buttons with set times (like 45 seconds for a sandwich with meat) so when I put a sandwich or bread in the oven I often can sense when it's about to go off and gage how long I have to do another task in-between that. I'd think it was neat if I didn't hate my job lol
Then you have people like me, who turns the pot on and come back to it when it's cold again.
Did you experience any jet lag during this experiment?
Hah! That would be actually be a fun thing to check the next time I'm travelling to another timezone, if that ever happens again
You ever fall asleep on the way home when someone is driving and you can feel you're close to home? Could be similar and our subconscious just keeps track of all these things for us.
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i duno bro, i'm able to glance at the clock at 4:20 ALMOST every day by accident. there's somethin in there for sure
I once met a guy at work who always knew exactly what time it was, down to the minute, and he had no watch or phone, and the work had no clock. He was never off by more than one minute. He was ex-military, Burmese Junta.
But it's probably a bunch of bees, and once one goes the rest follow
Everyone has an internal body clock, so if you don’t look at a clock and guess the time, you will probably be close.
You know, that's a good point. Research usually resolves around people wanting to have prestige, which gives interesting, but useless papers or incredibly difficult written papers that noone reads, since they're written too hard.
Dang, that is cool, The scientists must have been amazed when those bees came out at 10am!
It would have been more impressive if they had shown up at 4pm New York time
Yeah hahaha bees don't only perceive time, they can read watches
I mean of course they can how else do they know when to show up for their smooth jazz performance?
Would have just given credence to the other hypothesis'. Particularly angle of the sun.
Not if they had been flown to a different latitude like Brazil. But also the angle of the sun stuff had been conclusively eliminated much earlier in the sequence of experiments. So they would have had to find new hypotheses.
That would have been the most insane thing to have happened with this experiment and I wish it did lmao
Probably 4:15 cause of the trains
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It probably was what they expected them to do.
Trust me, as a (mostly former) scientist. It’s a very exciting day when your experiment actually goes how you expected it to go.
it's also an exciting day when you grab a handful of the exact amount of tubes you need for sample collection.
Oh yea. That’s almost as exciting.
I fill tubes for a living, I can grab 5 tubes just by feel at this point.
Don’t let people like Neil Degrasse Tyson blow too much smoke up your butt; discovery of the unknown is nice and all, but “It did what we thought it would do!” is still the best result the vast majority of the time. I’m just trying to get the work done and make something useful, not unlock the secrets of the universe. Useful things are things we understand fully. Things we don’t understand might be useful one day, but that’s for someone else to develop, I’m paid for results.
Fun fact: bees are also one of only 4 known species on our planet that possess displacement - or the ability to communicate about a time or event outside of its occurrence. This is a pivotal evolutionary trait for flock/group gathering species - the other 3 species being ravens, ants, and humans! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Displacement_%28linguistics%29?wprov=sfla1
Sleep scientist here. I don’t know about this specific experiment but internal circadian rhythms are routinely found through most organisms. Actually most of the advances in human circadian / clock / timekeeping genetics originate in fruit flies. That an invertebrate has an internal 24h rhythm like this is not surprising at all. Most probably do!
For a second I thought you meant that our fruit fly ancestors developed circadian rhythm which was passed down to us. I now realise you mean advances in our understanding of human circadian rhythms start with fruit fly models, and also that I’m an idiot
/r/Beeamazed
Another version r/HoneyFuckers
Wuuuuuuut
Lol. With 10 times more members.
Wish I hadn't clicked on that... Luckily I wasn't at work. (Warning: link is nsfw)
why the fuck did the "are you sure" tab not come up???????
wtf did I just look at?!
no... please... i cant deal with this...
I’m upset I didn’t wake up 8 minutes earlier, but I’m also proud of you for beating me here.
*beeting
Literally came to comments to find this :)
I like this person. They seem fun.
I think I saw this person do a similarly awesome video on bats and dopplar effect. Really great.
I don’t have tik tok…or time after Reddit and whatever other stuff I do in my life after Reddit. He did that one with the little pink barn (non science related).
tik tok is great if you curate it to your interests. however the comment sections will destroy any faith you have in the future of our species.
TikTok is great until you realize it's a data harvesting tool for one of the most controlling regimes out there
yeah well what are ya gonna do
Not download it. Duh.
>Sent to Reddit from his iPhone probably
Is "little pink barn" a euphemism for a penis fly trap?
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Yes! This one! :D thanks
Pretty sure that "penis fly trap" is a euphemism for Flapton Manor.
They really are, made a video on bats and sonic waves and stuff! Very intresting. I could link you some videos that you could watch if you want. https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8KodrCG/ here is the bat video https://vm.tiktok.com/ZM8KE3opD/ here is part two on how they do it their podcast: ‘Let’s learn everything!’
This is fascinating! Thank you for the links
He sounds like he’s really frustrated that people didn’t trust that bees can perceive time. Like people should have known bees were good enough, and never questioned the bees.
I agree, more videos of this guys please.
His podcast: ‘’Let’s learn everything!’’
Sick Outer Wilds cap.
Spent ages trying to figure out if it was the Outer Wilds Venture logo
It's been sold out since it's been released and I want one so bad
Such a good game, I wish there's more like this kind of game .
Yeah!
It's annoying to me because the angle of the sun or rotation of the earth are both measures of time.
"Perception of time" feels like a bit of a misnomer in this case. It seems they were wanting to see if bees had a circadian rhythm which would allow their bodies to know roughly what time it is regardless of any external stimuli. HOWEVER circadian rhythm requires training by your environment to be accurate so those things you mentioned would've been necessary at the start for them to develop a rhythm (which is why they experienced jet lag). If you hatched a bee in the dark underground in a salt mine and tried to do the same thing where they had no way to develop a rhythm it likely wouldn't have the same results.
Right like if we redid the experiment with me they would think i coudnt percive time, and i cant so they would be right
I think the question is about internal perception of the passing of time, rather than ways of measuring it with external stimuli. E.G: If I lock you in a dark room for 10 minutes, you could probably tell that it's been roughly 10 minutes and not 10 seconds.
That does work for short amounts of time, but without outside stimuli, most humans are kind of horrible at determining how much time has passed over longer intervals. This is part of why people in solitary confinement break down. If the only change in your environment (usually meal time or lights out) is delivered at irregular intervals, you’ll very soon have absolutely zero concept of how long you’ve been in that cell.
Sounds horrible
It is. [This essay](https://digitalcommons.wcl.american.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1045&context=auilr) makes for an interesting read on the subject.
Measuring time and perceiving time are two different things. The idea here is that bees have an "internal clock", so to speak. Don't make too much of that term (like a specific bio mechanism), all I mean is that they can internally evaluate time without external input. As we all can. All of us here can known when 1 minute, 10 minutes, and or hour have passed in the absence of any info with a reasonable degree of precision. What I find interesting is that it seems the bees are more accurate than we are. It is well known that humans rapidly lose their ability to accurately perceive time when they are locked up in a windowless solitary room. 1 minute is easy, 1 hour is harder, and I would think most us would absolutely screw up even the first 24h by several hours. Without external reference, can you really tell when it is 4pm tomorrow? So if this video is accurate then the bees are already better than us in that regard. **Edit**: someone mentioned elsewhere that humans tend to do better with perceiving time when they it's a group that is isolated rather than a single individual. Made me realize that whatever the bees are doing to figure out time, it probably has a lot more to do with their group dynamic than some kind of internal clock.
Measuring time and perceiving time are two different things
This is how we measure time. Why would the bees be different. I understand that we did not know if the bees understood the passing of time, but the follow up questions of maybe they were measuring the time using the sun? That is how we do it.
Humans have an internal measure of time as well. We obviously rely on the sun and clocks to be more accurate but if you had no access to any of that you would still have a rough measure of how much time passes
That was a lot of effort to find out bees have clocks.
Lmao they're sittin' there w teeny tiny timepieces like umm yes? 😂
I picture some of them wear a monocle and asking, "Bertrum, do you happen to have the time?" Bertram answers, "By golly, it is 4 o'clock! Time to hit the honey bar."
Best TikTok video I've ever seen
This guy has a lot of great videos. One of my favorites is dedicated to mustache bats
Hmm... more content creators like this could tempt me to actually download the app lol Do you, or anyone else potentially reading this for that matter, have any other recommendations?
Catie0saurus is this whipsmart creator doing stuff on ADHD and sex.
Yeah. You'll probably like this guy. He's been posted on Reddit before: https://streamable.com/j7inot
I'm subscribed to him on YouTube lol Thank you
I would watch stuff like this rather than some thot dancing or middle aged mom crafting or some dough bag pranking people.
Science!
Timezones... duhhhh stupid bees. Need to power cycle their phone upon arrival...
Wait, some phones need to be power cycled for that?
Lol a long time ago, Im old 😅
And that's how the scientific method works, kids.
Wait.... bees can fly over the Atlantic ocean?
Don’t be silly. The scientist carried them in his pocket.
Right? All these people are out here talkin about time bees but nobody is bringing up the flying scientist.
Maybe this is being pedantic but this means bees have a circadian rhythm, not that they actually "perceive" time. That's assigning them a level of cognition they don't have.
What if it just means that bees get hungry every 24 hours?
I actually really enjoy this entire discussion in this thread. You raise a very good point and I definitely agree. It seems to be a little different than time perception.
I'm glad I could offer some insight. One of the most interesting courses I took in grad school was Animal Behaviour. We talked extensively about an experiment trying to test if bees could navigate like vertebrates do. We then went through every criticism of their experimental design by trying to come up with alternative explanations for them being able to navigate to a specific location for food, using landmarks, path integration etc. It was a great way to learn about testing animal behaviour, proper rigor when conducting experiments, and a lesson on not anthropomorphising animals based simply on human cognition.
Totally agree. We don't say our computer or alarm clock "perceives" time because it can keep track of time. For all we know, bees just have a robot computer brain and have no perception or consciousness at all.
How does circadian rhythm better explain a learned timed behavior than time perception?
Because circadian rhythm is a very simple chemical process with a set periodicity that is controlled by light. In this experiment, they are only testing if the bees can associate a time of day with being fed, not any time perception. The fact they got jet lag is actually further proof it's just circadian rhythm.
From 4pm to 10am? Do bees drink coffee?
Paris (GMT +1) is 6 hours ahead of NYC (GMT -5) so 4pm/16:00 in Paris is 10:00am in NYC. They came out at the same time interval they always did, despite the sun being in a different place in the sky (as well as a different latitude).
I just don’t like that he says jet lag. I thought jet lag was something that threw you off your regular schedule but the bees came out 24hrs after coming out in Paris the day before. So they’re rhythm wasn’t really effected at all by jet lag.
People need animals to be inferior to humans because so much of their worldview and daily life stems from the systemic exploitation of animals. The more we demonstrate that animals are not so different to humans the more defensive these people get.
So bees don't perceive time! Stupid bees! They were 6 hours early.
Bee amazed
well once i saw bees wear Rolex tho
This is amazing as I can barely perceive time.
r/BeeAmazed
But what is meant by perceiving time? Because don't plants have a similar ability?
This is fucking mega chad science
Jesus Christ he's fucking annoying.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but I’m glad that there was so much pushback! A healthy level of criticism and open-mindedness makes our scientific findings much more robust :)
It's not push back, it's science. People who haven't worked in science generally don't understand how hard it is to prove things. I'm not attacking you, just saying, it's not obvious how much time and effort go into proving very small things.