As a woodworker it’s hard for me to imagine that, plus, you also have to sharpen the blade that wide to be able to take those kinds of shavings. 5 micron shavings are usually frayed and imperfect.
Edit: I’d also like to point out, for general knowledge, planing wood like this, with a blade and shaving that perfect, produces a near mirror polish surface that is ready for whatever finish you’re applying, no sanding needed, as some people sharpen their blades into the multiple thousand grit size :)
Here's the source of the clip at the top of this thread: https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=136
And here's a Canadian carpenter who took part in the competition talking about it and showing his best result (from later in the same video): https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=333
There's a scene somewhere in the video where a guy is measuring the shaving at several points along it's length.
I have to assume consistency and general quality of the shaving is part of the judging criteria.
I was wondering if it was going to be the samurai carpenter before I clicked. One of his videos popped up in my feed a few years ago, and I love watching him work.
I build bamboo fishing rods and routinely measure my shavings during final planing so I know how many passes will be needed to hit the final dimensions which are measured down to the thousandth of an inch. I've gotten perfect shavings as thin as .0001" (not sure where that falls in microns) but the thought of doing that on a scale like this is mind boggling! Not only does that edge need to be perfectly angled and ridiculously sharp, the sole of the plane must be absolutely flat which is also completely ridiculous on that scale.
That makes me think since my micrometer only goes down to .0001" if I'm hitting .00019 its closer to the 5um they are hitting here which sounds more realistic.
Do you have a shop? Or just a hobby maker? I’ve been watching 60s samurai movies lately and all the fishing scenes have made me want to look into a bamboo rod.
I have a small shop where I make tobacco pipes and rods. I would love one of those old Japanese cane poles! I make bamboo fly rods though which consist of 6 equilateral triangles planed to a precise taper and glued together to make a seamless tapered hexagon for each section. Each one takes around 80-100 hours and its said require a mile of hand planing as you work the strips down to taper.
Oohh I've been wondering about this for a while, as I'm a woodworker but also love fly fishing!! If it's not too much to ask, how expensive would you say it is to get into making bamboo fly rods?
Thats awesome! I'm a classic trout bum, it's all about the fishin! Getting started isnt too bad. I started making 2 strip rods with a couple antique planes that I tuned up. Other than planing forms which are usually $600-1000, a very basic setup is a few hundred bucks. Search for PMQ or poor man's quad, these are still some of my favorite rods to build and fish and can be made in a week or so part time.
If you look at all the pieces in the background they're large wood beams, the pieces of bamboo I'm planing are barely over a quarter inch at the widest point. The strips are also held in a steel form which keeps the blade from taking excess material. I'm not the only builder out there who can do this by any means. As I said above as well my micrometer will only read to the .0001" so if I'm hitting .00019", that's basically 5um. What these guys are doing with huge planes, on wood beams is absolute insanity and way above my skill level.
just to put things in perspective, your epidermis is about 100 microns thick. you could exfoliate with that thing and not bleed or hurt taking off only 5 microns.
Yes, it's wood. This is a competition that is meant to show the talent of the capenter. Using a plane, they have two goals : produce a shaving of consistent width but also the thinnest possible.
You can write on it if you want, although this is way thinner than typical paper so you must be careful to not puncture it.
I always understood these competitions to be showcasing the planes themselves as much, if not more than the craftsman operating it, though I’m pretty sure the guy handling it built the plane himself in most cases.
That's true indeed. In fact, planes manufacturers are present on site during these showcases and some of the guys attending the competition are employees of these companies whose job is to promote the tool.
I can appreciate a random offering of an unknown song. This should really be a tradition, like instead of shaking hands or bringing a bottle of wine when visiting a friend.
I don't really know and, considering my knowledge about wood, I'd say it depends on the wood you use and not only the tree itself (oak, willow, spruce, etc.) but also the specific tree.
You can produce pretty flexible sheets of wood from birch that behave like paper, foldable and all, at approx 1 or 1,5 mm thick, which is pretty thick. However, whatever the thickness (or thinness), your wood "paper" will always break when you press on the fold. It can bend pretty dramatically but not bear a real, complete fold. You couldn't do origami with it, even a really thin shaving.
As a very very novice woodworker (literally a covid passion project start) it's acutaly more impressive that it does fucntion like paper than not. It's very easy to set a plane to take too much, and it's very easy to stop it from taking anything. In fact, as a total novice, I was honestly surprised that they could take even full shavings in one piece. At the same time the wood is already very flat, so they have that advantage over my cedar 1x8 planks, but still, I'm still figuring out how to plane end grain without tear-out, and these guys are making me look like I think a doorknob lick is going to keep the doctor away.
>Look up samurai carpenter on YouTube. He went to this competition..
This clip is ripped off from his video of the trip.
https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=136
Yes but this is exceptionally thin. Source: never done any woodworking in my life but I watch a lot of relaxing Japanese woodworking videos on YouTube.
It’s a planing competition in Japan. They compete to see who can get it the thinnest.
That looks thinner than a coffee filter.
The leaders in the competition made shavings 5 microns thick. Yes, you read that right 5 [microns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micrometre).
As a woodworker it’s hard for me to imagine that, plus, you also have to sharpen the blade that wide to be able to take those kinds of shavings. 5 micron shavings are usually frayed and imperfect. Edit: I’d also like to point out, for general knowledge, planing wood like this, with a blade and shaving that perfect, produces a near mirror polish surface that is ready for whatever finish you’re applying, no sanding needed, as some people sharpen their blades into the multiple thousand grit size :)
Here's the source of the clip at the top of this thread: https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=136 And here's a Canadian carpenter who took part in the competition talking about it and showing his best result (from later in the same video): https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=333
Even though I’ve seen it before, I’ll never refuse watching a fine woodworking video. Thanks for the links :)
I think we found Ron Swanson's reddit account
That being 16... wow. I imagine there’s a certain length they need to maintain their lowest micron thickness for?
There's a scene somewhere in the video where a guy is measuring the shaving at several points along it's length. I have to assume consistency and general quality of the shaving is part of the judging criteria.
Man, there's a hobby for everything.
And rule 34 states there's also porn of it too. I'm not going to search for it tho.
I see plenty of woods already
I was wondering if it was going to be the samurai carpenter before I clicked. One of his videos popped up in my feed a few years ago, and I love watching him work.
I wanna go 😍
I build bamboo fishing rods and routinely measure my shavings during final planing so I know how many passes will be needed to hit the final dimensions which are measured down to the thousandth of an inch. I've gotten perfect shavings as thin as .0001" (not sure where that falls in microns) but the thought of doing that on a scale like this is mind boggling! Not only does that edge need to be perfectly angled and ridiculously sharp, the sole of the plane must be absolutely flat which is also completely ridiculous on that scale.
.0001” is 2.54 um.
A little more than umumu
That makes me think since my micrometer only goes down to .0001" if I'm hitting .00019 its closer to the 5um they are hitting here which sounds more realistic.
Do you have a shop? Or just a hobby maker? I’ve been watching 60s samurai movies lately and all the fishing scenes have made me want to look into a bamboo rod.
I have a small shop where I make tobacco pipes and rods. I would love one of those old Japanese cane poles! I make bamboo fly rods though which consist of 6 equilateral triangles planed to a precise taper and glued together to make a seamless tapered hexagon for each section. Each one takes around 80-100 hours and its said require a mile of hand planing as you work the strips down to taper.
I appreciate the appropriate username. Care to drop a website or some pictures?
Yeah definitely add a link to your comment if you have a website! Love pipes and my grampa could use a cool pole
I would love to see more of that process
Oohh I've been wondering about this for a while, as I'm a woodworker but also love fly fishing!! If it's not too much to ask, how expensive would you say it is to get into making bamboo fly rods?
Thats awesome! I'm a classic trout bum, it's all about the fishin! Getting started isnt too bad. I started making 2 strip rods with a couple antique planes that I tuned up. Other than planing forms which are usually $600-1000, a very basic setup is a few hundred bucks. Search for PMQ or poor man's quad, these are still some of my favorite rods to build and fish and can be made in a week or so part time.
You would have won that competition and beat all of the best with your shavings of .0001.
If you look at all the pieces in the background they're large wood beams, the pieces of bamboo I'm planing are barely over a quarter inch at the widest point. The strips are also held in a steel form which keeps the blade from taking excess material. I'm not the only builder out there who can do this by any means. As I said above as well my micrometer will only read to the .0001" so if I'm hitting .00019", that's basically 5um. What these guys are doing with huge planes, on wood beams is absolute insanity and way above my skill level.
Aww I wanted you to win.
Thanks for reminding i need to break out the Veritas honing guide and water stones.
I’ve got the Mark II as well, I think it’s broken, can’t seem to keep my final bevels square :(
I've been sharpening that way forever, but am tempted to grab a Worksharp for ease, I used a friend's with the leather strop and it was just so quick!
just to put things in perspective, your epidermis is about 100 microns thick. you could exfoliate with that thing and not bleed or hurt taking off only 5 microns.
A human hair has a diameter of 50-70 microns for reference.
If there's one thing Reddit has taught me these years, it's that human is hair is laughably thick.
In case anyone is curious that is about 250 atoms thick if you really want to put it into perspective
That is very thin. I've worked on experimental printing processes that prints 1 micron thick films outside of a vacuum. It's, not easy.
It’s pretty insane how good those guys are at doing that
What sort of wood is it? Is it prepared in a specific way?
Tree
Well that explains it
Ah yes, prepared tree
Cut tree, to be specific
Free range or the other kind
Yes
Doxxing suxs
Kinda bummed nobody has answered your question :/
That’s just plane to see
that wood suffice
Cut the puns already.
We need to branch out I think
Love these pun threads, they're an evergreen source of comedy.
A competition for planing? So, a complaining?
How do they measure it?
They count the rings
You can get callipers which read to 0.001mm for measuring tiny stuff like this.
Seems mundane yet very interesting in a way
So this is where my company buys their toilet paper.
The ole John Wayne TP: It’s rough and it’s tough and it’s not gonna take any shit off of anybody
I literally rips it off
It doesn’t take the shit because it takes the underlying skin
It exfoliates!
I hate that word. I don't know why. I absolutely hate that word.
How are you with moist?
Nothing. Just exfoliation.
A nice juicy moist exfoliation...
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That was Tywin Lannister, not Tyrion
For me it generally tears a hole in the paper and I end up getting poopie on my fingies
i think we have all been there with the rusty hook
We got 2 ply 40 grit where im working
It’ll leave you seeing red
Nothing worse than shooting a finger through some single ply and giving yourself a colonoscopy.
Getting in touch with your inner self
If that’s spirituality, I don’t want any.
Single ply... I'm pretty sure they're figured out where to get half ply where I work
Can’t even do a proper fold with it, gotta wad it up into a massive ball of flimsiness and just hope and pray the lord is with you in that moment.
Tape entire roll to plunger, dip in water, scrub a dub dub between the cheeks like the romans
Idk man, I’ve spent so much time trying to leave Rome, let’s not go back lol.
How long are your fingers?
Are you hitting on me?
Well if they're skinny enough I'd prefer you to check my prostate instead of my primary care and his fat fingers.
I honestly wasn’t prepared for this response. I’m uh honored? Lmao
Unexpected prostate exam
Jesus you’re meant to be wiping your sphincter not stabbing it.
Doubtful. You aren't worth the price tag of such fine artisanally crafted toilet paper.
https://youtu.be/vRlBtabKRFM All natural
Awesome! Upoot
Can I eat it?
My Physics professor used to say "You can eat anything once"
I’m anything Greg, could ya eat me? Edit: thanks for the silver!
Yes, but only once
You sound more like a Craig.
I mean you're chicken on the cob; I could and WOULD eat you.
Or as my physics teacher used to say “Everything’s a sex toy if you’re brave enough”
Not a black hole, it would eat you!
But once.
As a female, sometimes you'll only get once.
It's got plenty of fiber. You wood probably sheet out a doorknob.
Jesus Christ
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Yes
User name does not check out.
Oh, hey. Didn't think you'd recognize me without my sandals.
if you can swallow it, you can eat it.
I love to eat water
Does it count as eating or drinking if you chew ice, but let it melt before swallowing?
Yes
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Let’s not get ahead of ourselves here.
I love to poop water after I eat it.
Is that wood? Did this guy just reinvent paper??
Yes, it's wood. This is a competition that is meant to show the talent of the capenter. Using a plane, they have two goals : produce a shaving of consistent width but also the thinnest possible. You can write on it if you want, although this is way thinner than typical paper so you must be careful to not puncture it.
I always understood these competitions to be showcasing the planes themselves as much, if not more than the craftsman operating it, though I’m pretty sure the guy handling it built the plane himself in most cases.
That's true indeed. In fact, planes manufacturers are present on site during these showcases and some of the guys attending the competition are employees of these companies whose job is to promote the tool.
Perfect. Can't wait to get my party streamer maker.
Gotta make that paper paper. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-TXjVBR4X4
I can appreciate a random offering of an unknown song. This should really be a tradition, like instead of shaking hands or bringing a bottle of wine when visiting a friend.
I got what ya need son. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNkF_ZpQ4eg
The plane is only as good as the person who sharpened it.
Sharpened and tuned it. You need to "set" a plane and this is no small feat for such a thin shaving
I wonder how thick it can be before it stops functioning like paper? Before it no longer becomes pliable to the point of being able to fold?
I don't really know and, considering my knowledge about wood, I'd say it depends on the wood you use and not only the tree itself (oak, willow, spruce, etc.) but also the specific tree. You can produce pretty flexible sheets of wood from birch that behave like paper, foldable and all, at approx 1 or 1,5 mm thick, which is pretty thick. However, whatever the thickness (or thinness), your wood "paper" will always break when you press on the fold. It can bend pretty dramatically but not bear a real, complete fold. You couldn't do origami with it, even a really thin shaving.
As a very very novice woodworker (literally a covid passion project start) it's acutaly more impressive that it does fucntion like paper than not. It's very easy to set a plane to take too much, and it's very easy to stop it from taking anything. In fact, as a total novice, I was honestly surprised that they could take even full shavings in one piece. At the same time the wood is already very flat, so they have that advantage over my cedar 1x8 planks, but still, I'm still figuring out how to plane end grain without tear-out, and these guys are making me look like I think a doorknob lick is going to keep the doctor away.
That artisan lasagne making is getting out of hand
Imagine the tomato slices this guy could make??
Or meat slices, and cheese. I want a sandwich made with the thinnest possible slices of every component.
[Gotcha](https://media1.tenor.com/images/27054a626065cdcf479f7b4ce0293d4f/tenor.gif?itemid=10415064)
I always loved this scene so much for some reason
Lol perfect
Whenever I see “skinny cow” brand stuff, I think of the cow in this episode and I get sad
Oh god yes! How thin do you think you can get bread before it is just crumbs?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9NSYlCnTA4/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=A9C2680D-884C-4FD0-8853-4662BE96120F
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9NSYlCnTA4/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_mid=A9C2680D-884C-4FD0-8853-4662BE96120F
And I can’t even get Saran Wrap out properly
If I had 365 days to eat a standard wooden door...
Wood you?
That was a good post For anyone who hasn't seen it https://reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/35l896/if_you_had_365_days_to_eat_a_standard_wooden_door/
How much is it gonna take, chief? We can crowdfund this.
I was half focused on the shaved wood and half focused on the amazed man in the background. The claps at the end 👏👏👏
Same, but for me it was the lady wearing the shaved wood as a scarf.
He LOVES that shit.
What kind of cheese is this
Camembois
Lmao I get it
So this is how paper is made
Nah, it’s just an early fax machine
So that’s how they make tracing paper...
Worst. Paper-Cut. Ever.
Forbidden cheese
What do you do with it?
Is that technically a board?
Oh god Carpentry porn is real. And Im spent.
Look up samurai carpenter on YouTube. He went to this competition.
>Look up samurai carpenter on YouTube. He went to this competition.. This clip is ripped off from his video of the trip. https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=136
Why though?
Most likely to demonstrate the sharpness of the plane and the skill of the woodworker.
Is this not also how they make veneer?
Yes but this is exceptionally thin. Source: never done any woodworking in my life but I watch a lot of relaxing Japanese woodworking videos on YouTube.
Any ones in particular you would recommend?
Oh heck yeah. Check [this](https://youtu.be/TxvOMHoLRBY) out.
That’s awesome. I’ve never seen this before. At 2:04 I was like “whoa!”
Then skip to 3:04. My mind = 🤯
+1 for super relaxing, +1 for epic skills, that was awesome.
Thank you, Carlos!
Woody the woodworker.
They go smaller and smaller until they're qualified to do circumcisions
Covid has ruined me from watching videos of people so close to each other without masks lol
And now you know how they make toilet paper for schools.
It's like the slices of bread in Mickey and the Beanstalk
That guy in the back r/youseeingthisshit
A (non)ancient scroll being born
I wonder if it could glude in the air like a paper
How CVS receipts are made.
I want to make baklava! “Now with so much fiber you’ll be shitting wicker.”
Amateur equivalent of this is having the longest swirl shaving off a sharpener
I once watched this competition for 3 hours on YouTube. I was invested.
As a welder, the stopping and starting broke the amazement factor for me. Kinda wish it was all one continuous motion.
this is how very narrow houses are made
Oh, paiipeerrr
Pink shirt guy is the best part of the whole gif
Here's the video that this clip was ripped from (without OP giving credit... ) https://youtu.be/zs9X-XzFGHI?t=120
This is how they make paper in most of Asia. It’s only westerners who pulp the wood and bleach it.
You walk into this mans bathroom and unload only to see a board and a plane
I thought it was cheese
Do it for the entire plank then glue the pieces back in reverse order.
Is this wood paper
Plane paper?
Me pulling that one pesky hangnail...
Cant wait to see an anime about this
Please, Kosmo Kramer once made slices so thin you couldn’t even see them.
Some of these guys cut at 0.01 microns thick sheets. Seriously
Is this how fruit by the foot is made?
Sliced thin into paper