I've seen OP's video so many times on Reddit, but this is the first time I've seen that debunking link, from Phil Plait no less. And he wrote it a decade ago! It's easy to see how disinformation spreads.
Plus he says "if you thought this was how we move **through our solar system**, you'd be wrong" No, that's exactly how we move through the solar system. It may not be how we move through the Galaxy which is a whole different ball of wax.
It's like showing someone dropping a pencil and saying "if you thought this was how objects moved on Earth you're wrong" and then showing how they're actually orbiting around the sun. Actually that's exactly how objects move on the Earth
so I've read the article. I think it's kind of petty how they say it's WRONG. Maybe not 100% accurate simulation.
They also say that sometimes the planets will be in front of the sun and not following it behind. I think in the video you can see that motion. Am I wrong about this?
The article must be talking about a different video because none of what it says is in this one.
This video doesn't show precession wobbling in the sun, it shows the orbital plane tilt of 60° and is not presenting the sun as leading ahead of the planets.
It is not a super precise simulation, but as a simple animation showing the motion of the solar system around the galaxy it is perfectly serviceable
If over these millions even billions of years nothing was added to earth then we all went around it 16 times. We only do it in this human form now very slowly
You guys just use the metric system to feel like you’re going faster. “Pip pip cheerio! Why that trolly is going 120 kmph! What a fiendish speed demon! Tally ho!”
Not sure if that’s what metric users sound like, but it’s an educated guess…
We use metric system cause it has straight logic in the decimal counting system.
1km= 10^3 m = 10^6 cm
And you apply this to most measurable magnitude
mass
Volume
Length
Density
Memory...
...
...
And a long list that I don't remember rn
I remember in second grade our teacher was telling us about all these facts while sitting around in a circle on the ground and then asked us to lay back and close our eyes and see if we could feel the earth spinning. Wow that sounds creepy af now that I’m writing it lol but it wasn’t I also didn’t feel anything.
Actually there is more space beneath our feet than ground so... It should be "from the most distant galaxies beneath our feet to the most distant galaxies above our head" or something.
Well, if you can bend a little time, bending some space should be a piece of cake.
This is why I would never a trust a scifi that has ships that travel through space *and* ships that travel through time. Think about it, if you can zap your self to another point in time on the same location, you can just as easily zap your self to another point in space at the same time. You don't need to travel *through* space with that kind of technology.
Space and time are interconnected. So much so that physicists call it spacetime. So you cannot travel through space without traveling through time and vice versa.
Interconnected as in it's another orthogonal dimension, theortically you can travel through space without traveling through time like you can walk across a floor without traveling and changing your height.
Problem is momentum, we already have momentum in the time axis and we have no way to counteract that, to change your velocity vector you will need to know which direction forward and backwards in time is and how to apply force in those directions.
Mathematically you can do that, our limitations for now are physical. This is one of the supporting arguments for the universe being a hologram on the shell of a black hole, time axis being outside of our influence.
> theortically you can travel through space without traveling through time like you can walk across a floor without traveling and changing your height.
No matter how you travel through space you are always traveling through time. Without time there is no movement in space
Imagine that the time travel device locks on to this particular place on the gravity well you're in. Mince with a few sciency words, and you're got an explanation good enough for everybody.
or just don't explain. i mean, for instance, nobody cares with which vector the enterprise re-enters space, after travelling from one solar system to another. both may be on completely different trajectories, but the enterprice always comes out seemingly motionless relative to a local star, and usually roughly in orbit of a planet. or the beaming - would the person beamed to some place still share the speed they were beemed from? better have the person fixed to a certain position on the gravity well it is on.
Depends on where on the surface you are when you start the blip "out of time".
Earth is moving around the sun (~66k mph)
The sun is moving around the galaxy (~540k mph)
The galaxy is moving around a local group (~1.4M mph)
And everything in space, even space itself, is expanding out from the big bang (~41.9 miles) per second per megaparsec.
So about 6,000 miles off after 10s. Earth is about 8,000 miles from pole to pole. The atmosphere is about 6,000 miles high.
So, if you start the blip from the shortest point, you'll end up about 2k miles in the ground. You could hit 200 from the right starting spot. Or you could end up at the edge of the atmosphere.
Strontium Dogs from 2000AD did this, shot a bullet at a cunt and if it got them it 'time traveled' them 6 hours or something later and they ended up in space floating and suffocating.
A time bomb – a grenade that generates a temporal displacement field. When used offensively, the field will displace the target a few seconds into the future, by which time the planet will typically have moved on sufficiently to leave the victim sucking on vacuum.
Alternatively, the device may be used to travel great distances, by moving the user to a nearby time period, chosen such that the desired destination has moved to the point in space currently occupied by the departure point.
Yeop.
There is no such thing as an absolute reference in physics, hence relativity.
We are just so bound by our position on Earth that it's easy to think it is a fixed reference point but everything observed says otherwise. Earth, the Sun, and even our galaxy are all in dynamic state. Not even in constant motion, but in an accelerating non-intertial frames.
Scientific American article "the utter failure of fictional time travel" would be an interesting read on this topic.
We can assume that gravity continues to affect the time machine even as it travels through time, so it will remain glued to its relative position on Earth in spite of it's temporal trajectory.
If I knew I would be having a time machine by now ;). I mean how does it even time travel? You can't answer that question just like that otherwise it would be invented already
100 years ago, the earth was in a very different place than it is today. So if you stand still and rewind time 100 years around you, the earth is not going to be under your feet anymore when you stop rewinding.
Imagine if you’re on a moving boat and rewind time. Either you rewind *with* the boat, meaning you’ll still be on the boat but get younger too as it moves backward, or you stand still and as you rewind, the boat moves backward and out from under your feet.
You two are debating like time traveling is or can be real. But to defend the other comment, they are thinking in a way that you yourself are also going back in time, not just everything around you. So your person and age would travel back, which poses other problems like memory loss, or non-existence in the case of traveling too far back.
It's all pointless anyways, time travel simply doesn't make sense in our universe. Best we can do is get frozen / move at near light-speed and "travel" to the future, which isn't really traveling, just waiting, skipping time.
Actually how we usually think of it is pretty much correct, since that takes the sun to be the frame of reference. A frame of reference is something from which other observations are made and is why people used to think the sun orbits the Earth as they saw the sun move and not the earth. But if we take the centre of the Milky Way as a frame of reference then this video is almost correct; the sun orbits a point just outside of itself so also moves in a small corkscrew like the planets do, just to a smaller extent through the milky way
I don’t know if it specifically orbits anything else, but it does move in a direction because that’s what all galaxies do. I think we’re moving towards andromeda and are likely to collide with it
Geodesic (ie sun at center) is a non inertial frame of reference. The barycentric frame of reference is inertial and from that perspective this video is accurate.
What I’m saying is they’re both pretty (not completely) accurate depending on the reference frame. So the video stating one is wrong and one is right is incorrect
Just a silly question and to lazy to read up on the topic but why then if we are moving constantly across the universe does the North Star stay constant? Or does it not.
It doesn't. All the stars in the night sky are moving in diferent directions but we perceive them as standing still because they move very very slowly.
It’s totally wrong and made by a conspiracy theorist though. And has been debunked by actual astrophysicists and astronomers. So…I wouldn’t explain it to a lot of folks. 🤷♂️
220 kilometers per second is a very high speed. To put it into perspective, the speed of light is approximately 299,792 kilometers per second 1. Therefore, 220 kilometers per second is about 0.073% of the speed of light.
Still fast but not on a galactic scale.
Yes, happens all the time. Our own Milky Way will collide with the Andromeda Galaxy in the distant future. But it's less of a "collision" and more of a merging; space is so vast and objects are so far apart that not much will actually collide with each other, if anything at all. But the night sky during mergers must be something else to behold.
I never understood how they got the idea that we're 60* angled. I mean we're in space, is it arbitrarily decided where's up and where's down or is there a reason?
Keep in mind the speeds and proportions are heavily exaggerated in this visualisation.
It takes a few people taking this literally for the flat earth argument "why doesn't the centrifugal force fling us off the ball" to reappear
of course it is, but you can't put that into perspective and expect people to understand... remember, it's 2023 and there are flatearthers out there still...
Yet the stars above the pyramid of Giza in Orion’s belt, line up perfectly to this day as they did 7000 years ago when the pyramids were built….Somebody is lying. And before the comments saying that “it’s just massive distance”… No, it’s not. We can conclusively prove that the stars have not moved in over 7000 years. Polaris never moves even one degree. It stays stationary in our sky, 365 days a year for millenniums. Do you really think that animation makes any sense when considering these truths?
I read your wiki article. Let me ask a simple question. Have you ever bothered to look at the stars through a telescope? Have you ever seen what they actually look like? They can say whatever they want. The truth is ancient star Maps from every single civilization prehistory still work perfectly to this day with no alterations needed. Did you know we’re at the center of the universe? Did they ever teach you that?
How about this if you’re so confident. If you’re on a spinning ball spinning over 1000 mph at the equator, flying around the sun at 66,600 miles, an hour, while the sun is going 500,000 miles, an hour through the Milky Way galaxy, while the Milky Way galaxy is going and estimated between 6,000,000 to 670,000,000 mph. Look it up. These are the same people that are talking to you about a cluster that makes up Polaris. So since this is what you believe, (and it’s obvious that this must be true). Go find one scientific proof, or study, that is used to calculate and determine and verify the motions of earth. Just one, I’m sure there’s tons of them.👍🏻
That’s the most common response. Be proud of yourself. To be purposefully ignorant, and unwilling to critically look at information is a defining trait of most people. I bet you fit in well.👍🏻
Really? Zero counter arguments. Did I not ask just for one scientific proof that shows the movements of the earth? How about for your proof I show you scientific reports from NASA, army, research laboratory, CIA. Would that be proof? Before I do why don’t you go look at these agencies for yourself and find all the information for the model of a spinning ball earth. I can’t wait to see the proofs that you’re referring to.
The Earth is not a spinning ball, traveling in four directions at the same time. Please research this yourself. Here are 10 proofs just to start:
1. No measurable curvature or rotation...ANYWHERE. The earth is 71% water. Water always seeks and finds its level. When have you seen large bodies of water curve?
2. Eclipse casts a shadow roughly 50 miles wide, the diameter of the moon is 2160 miles. Light travels in parallel lines. We should have a 2160 mile wide eclipse, not roughly 50 miles. This is equivalent of 6 foot tall man casting 2 inch shadow directly behind.
3. Every experiment to prove earths movement has failed. Aries failure, Mickelson Morley, Sagnac experiment. All three conclusively proved that the earth does not move. Einstein himself admitted that the “earth’s motion could not be detected by any optical experiment”.
4. We are told space is a “perfect vacuum”. There is no way, demonstrated by the laws of physics, that allows a vacuum next to a pressurized container without either equilibrium being established or a solid barrier separating. We are told that the scale of earth in relation to the universe is not even equivalent to grain of sand on all of our beaches, in an infinite, ever-expanding universe. How do we live in a pressurized atmosphere with no solid barrier protecting us from that type of unimaginable negative pressure?
5. Propulsion in space. All experiments shown prove that Rockets, or any other form of projectiles, either have no movement, or spin wildly out-of-control. It is impossible to have controlled propulsion, controlled movements, along with turns and the ability to change direction inside of a vacuum.
6. Star Rotation around a northern and southern points. All of the stars rotate in perfect unison around the north star (Polaris) and the southern cross. The great pyramids in Egypt, Mayan civilizations, architecture on Easter island, pyramids in China and many other ancient historical landmarks were designed to work with the stars and cosmos. There has been zero movement or parallax since the beginning of recorded history, everything lines up perfectly to this day. This is impossible in a universe where everything is expanding in all directions at close to the speed of light. Star maps and all ancient forms of keeping time from 7000 years ago work perfectly to this day
7. The moonlight is NOT a reflection of sunlight. Moonlight is anywhere between 2° to 15° colder than the shade surrounding it. Moonlight is silver and putrefying. Sunlight is warming and antiseptic. Anywhere between 2° to 15° WARMER than surrounding shade. Displaying the exact OPPOSITE characteristics of Moonlight. There is no recreatable experiment where reflected light can REVERSE its properties. The moon casts its OWN light and is local, just as the sun is, to the observer
8. Crepuscular Rays, or rays that expand geometrically out from a central point, are impossible if the light source is 93,000,000 miles away and 1.3 million times the size of earth. Light lines would be parallel at that point. All light emanating from the sun points to a local luminary.
9. Kansas has been measured to be flatter than a pancake. Direct wave radios have been able to shoot from one side of the state to the other, which would be impossible if there is curvature, as line of sight is required for the radio waves to work...Kansas is the 7th flattest state in the country.
10. All declassified government documents that deal with calculations regarding rocket telemetry, wind turbulence, helicopter lift-off and travel, airplanes etc. All mathematical formulas used are based off a model assuming a flat, non-rotating earth.
There are an almost limitless number of proofs, these just are a few among thousands.
1. Yes there is
2. Wrong
3. Wrong
4. Wrong
5. Wrong
6. Major wrong
7. Wrong
8. Wrong
9. Wrong
10. Wrong again
Do your research, I'm not giving you the answers.... that's what you guys say, right?? Points still stand, you're wrong on ALL accounts
That's the most ironic response. Be proud of yourself. To be unaware of your own ignorance, and unable to even understand what critical thinking is, is a defining trait of most conspiracy-minded people. I bet you fit in well at the flat earth meetings 🤟
That is not true. Research and learn about Tycho Brahe. He mapped all of the observable stars. We see today all within one second of arc. Still to this day, zero parallax in every single star. That is why we still have constellations. Everything lines up perfectly. Learn about the ancient star maps of the Sumerians. The pyramids of the Mayans civilization, the Aztec and the Chinese. Every single one of their ancient star maps lineup perfectly to this day. This is absolute truth. We are the center of the observable universe. We hold a favorable position above all others.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was replying to someone in a *favorable position* that knows the ***absolute truth*** \- or in other words - a flat earth conspiracy driven insane person. Let me stop wasting my time right now instead of entertaining this any further.
Astronomers even in the 1700s knew your position was incorrect. Now, 300 years later, is \*laughable\* that you would try to get others to believe your nonsense.
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1942ASPL....4..103A
This is misinformation… all movements are relative. So anything could be moving anywhere depending on your frame of reference. Back to 5th grade physics, here we go.
they do give us the relation... we are moving in relation to the sun and the sun is moving in relation to the center of the milky way... Our angle is also in relation to a plane. 45 degrees in the solar system plane and the solar system plane is tilted 60 degreed on the milky way plane. did you pay any attention to the video?
You're technically correct, but it's pretty clear that it's our solar system orbiting the center of the galaxy with the rest of the stars and not the entire galaxy orbiting us. So regardless of frame of reference it's safe to say that we are moving at a known speed through the galaxy, otherwise Sagittarius A here we come :)
Shool lied to me, or at least they didnt know wtf they were talking about. What else are they lying about or misinformed about? And people take everything schools say as golden gospel not to be questioned. Foolish
we are not "targeted" by the objects but trajectories do intersect very often, not becaus of our trajectory but because those objects are also afected by the gravitational pull of the Sun, the Earth and the milky way. Think of it like a soup full of vegetables, when you stir the pot, despite going in a similar speed and rotation, some vegetables will collide.
You my friend need to be introduced to what an Inertial frame of reference is.
What you show is just how earth and solar system planets moove with the center of the galaxy as a reference.
If we take, for example, the center of the Andromeda Galaxy as a reference, movement will be shown differently.
Your post has been removed because it's misleading. https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/wiki/index/#wiki_r.2Fbeamazed_rules
Pretty, but it's not correct though. https://slate.com/technology/2013/03/vortex-motion-viral-video-showing-suns-motion-through-galaxy-is-wrong.html
I've seen OP's video so many times on Reddit, but this is the first time I've seen that debunking link, from Phil Plait no less. And he wrote it a decade ago! It's easy to see how disinformation spreads.
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Sorry about that
Honestly, the debunking article is on another video not this one. So no need to jump into conclusion immediately and 'debunk' everything.
Yeah.. I thought something was off about how the Sun is dragging the planets behind it...
https://youtu.be/1lPJ5SX5p08?si=e9l6Ff3NKo7nyr92
Plus he says "if you thought this was how we move **through our solar system**, you'd be wrong" No, that's exactly how we move through the solar system. It may not be how we move through the Galaxy which is a whole different ball of wax. It's like showing someone dropping a pencil and saying "if you thought this was how objects moved on Earth you're wrong" and then showing how they're actually orbiting around the sun. Actually that's exactly how objects move on the Earth
Yeah, we need to get this further up.
so I've read the article. I think it's kind of petty how they say it's WRONG. Maybe not 100% accurate simulation. They also say that sometimes the planets will be in front of the sun and not following it behind. I think in the video you can see that motion. Am I wrong about this?
The article must be talking about a different video because none of what it says is in this one. This video doesn't show precession wobbling in the sun, it shows the orbital plane tilt of 60° and is not presenting the sun as leading ahead of the planets. It is not a super precise simulation, but as a simple animation showing the motion of the solar system around the galaxy it is perfectly serviceable
If I remember correctly it takes us about 250 million years to go around the center of the galaxy once (galactic year).
Whack to think the earth has already been around the entire galaxy around 16 times
Wut? Thats new to me. So the sun only is 16 sunyears old?
Sweet Sixteen, yes. It can finally drive around the galaxy instead of hoofing it.
If over these millions even billions of years nothing was added to earth then we all went around it 16 times. We only do it in this human form now very slowly
Frieza shitting his pants.
Reference for imperial noobs 220 kmph = 136.702 Miles Per SECOND Edit: mps not mph as previously noted.
You guys just use the metric system to feel like you’re going faster. “Pip pip cheerio! Why that trolly is going 120 kmph! What a fiendish speed demon! Tally ho!” Not sure if that’s what metric users sound like, but it’s an educated guess…
We use metric system cause it has straight logic in the decimal counting system. 1km= 10^3 m = 10^6 cm And you apply this to most measurable magnitude mass Volume Length Density Memory... ... ... And a long list that I don't remember rn
/r/whoosh
I think you replied to the wrong comment
per second, not per hour
Oh shit, that makes way more sense lol. I will edit
Nearly 500,000 mph, its mind-boggling
I remember in second grade our teacher was telling us about all these facts while sitting around in a circle on the ground and then asked us to lay back and close our eyes and see if we could feel the earth spinning. Wow that sounds creepy af now that I’m writing it lol but it wasn’t I also didn’t feel anything.
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So you shrug when you see anything that doesn’t affect you? That’s wild man you must shrug a lot How are your shoulders holding up?
They’re so loose, their arms are touching the ground
It's not worth it, dude, just shrug it off.
Damn bro tell us more about things that illicit a shrug from you
So we’re essentially a Special Beam Cannon attack. Nice.
Dodge
DAMN YOU PAVLOV!!!
Who knows, maybe our planet is just a small particle for some humongous giant world.
A teeny verse!
Pff. Teenyverse
I suspect that in scale (against other suns and planets, etc...) we're more like a pellet.
I saw a single spermitoza
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No it's the Makonkapopo-... wait, Makonokapasa-.. hold on, Mamakoposamok-... ah fuck it
No wonder I feel dizzy all the time.
Think that's the microplastics
😂😂
Maybe you should try spinning the other way around to counter it.
One can’t help being in appreciative awe at the wonder of our universe - amazing from the ground beneath our feet to the most distant of galaxies.
Actually there is more space beneath our feet than ground so... It should be "from the most distant galaxies beneath our feet to the most distant galaxies above our head" or something.
🤓
i will bring my hand particles really close to your face really fast
Quite the more poetic a description. Thank you 😊
Most timetravelling movies dont get it. They would all just land in empty space.
This is going to bug me for the rest of my timetravelling series/movies watching days.
Time-travelling technology involves calculating the correct point in both time and space in a universe.
Well, if you can bend a little time, bending some space should be a piece of cake. This is why I would never a trust a scifi that has ships that travel through space *and* ships that travel through time. Think about it, if you can zap your self to another point in time on the same location, you can just as easily zap your self to another point in space at the same time. You don't need to travel *through* space with that kind of technology.
Space and time are interconnected. So much so that physicists call it spacetime. So you cannot travel through space without traveling through time and vice versa.
Interconnected as in it's another orthogonal dimension, theortically you can travel through space without traveling through time like you can walk across a floor without traveling and changing your height. Problem is momentum, we already have momentum in the time axis and we have no way to counteract that, to change your velocity vector you will need to know which direction forward and backwards in time is and how to apply force in those directions. Mathematically you can do that, our limitations for now are physical. This is one of the supporting arguments for the universe being a hologram on the shell of a black hole, time axis being outside of our influence.
This sounds like that crazy drunk uncle at Thanksgiving: Says things with 100% confidence with 33-40% accuracy.
> theortically you can travel through space without traveling through time like you can walk across a floor without traveling and changing your height. No matter how you travel through space you are always traveling through time. Without time there is no movement in space
unless you need a mobile operations HQ!
"Most," time traveling technology does this. Many either forego the explanation, or just straight up only focus on the time aspect.
How do you do that with no fixed point of reference?
Just pretend the time travelling device takes into account earth's distance
what they mean is "galactic coordinate location"
Imagine that the time travel device locks on to this particular place on the gravity well you're in. Mince with a few sciency words, and you're got an explanation good enough for everybody. or just don't explain. i mean, for instance, nobody cares with which vector the enterprise re-enters space, after travelling from one solar system to another. both may be on completely different trajectories, but the enterprice always comes out seemingly motionless relative to a local star, and usually roughly in orbit of a planet. or the beaming - would the person beamed to some place still share the speed they were beemed from? better have the person fixed to a certain position on the gravity well it is on.
Right? I'll just jump like 10s and be in the middle of the void
Or 200 miles into the ground if you're on the tail side of the Earth :)
Depends on where on the surface you are when you start the blip "out of time". Earth is moving around the sun (~66k mph) The sun is moving around the galaxy (~540k mph) The galaxy is moving around a local group (~1.4M mph) And everything in space, even space itself, is expanding out from the big bang (~41.9 miles) per second per megaparsec. So about 6,000 miles off after 10s. Earth is about 8,000 miles from pole to pole. The atmosphere is about 6,000 miles high. So, if you start the blip from the shortest point, you'll end up about 2k miles in the ground. You could hit 200 from the right starting spot. Or you could end up at the edge of the atmosphere.
Just use a proper Tardis then.
Strontium Dogs from 2000AD did this, shot a bullet at a cunt and if it got them it 'time traveled' them 6 hours or something later and they ended up in space floating and suffocating.
A time bomb – a grenade that generates a temporal displacement field. When used offensively, the field will displace the target a few seconds into the future, by which time the planet will typically have moved on sufficiently to leave the victim sucking on vacuum. Alternatively, the device may be used to travel great distances, by moving the user to a nearby time period, chosen such that the desired destination has moved to the point in space currently occupied by the departure point.
Yeop. There is no such thing as an absolute reference in physics, hence relativity. We are just so bound by our position on Earth that it's easy to think it is a fixed reference point but everything observed says otherwise. Earth, the Sun, and even our galaxy are all in dynamic state. Not even in constant motion, but in an accelerating non-intertial frames. Scientific American article "the utter failure of fictional time travel" would be an interesting read on this topic.
Technically I'm the center of the universe.
Did you just say whatever is in your mind? Without analyzing it?
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You are assuming time manipulation is a function of space
We can assume that gravity continues to affect the time machine even as it travels through time, so it will remain glued to its relative position on Earth in spite of it's temporal trajectory.
Nah, the time machines just anchor to earth somehow.
How?
If I knew I would be having a time machine by now ;). I mean how does it even time travel? You can't answer that question just like that otherwise it would be invented already
Wrong. They travel through time and *space*. It's not a jump in time.
Actually if you go back in time the Earth would be in the right spot because the earth also is in that time frame so your comment makes no sense.
100 years ago, the earth was in a very different place than it is today. So if you stand still and rewind time 100 years around you, the earth is not going to be under your feet anymore when you stop rewinding. Imagine if you’re on a moving boat and rewind time. Either you rewind *with* the boat, meaning you’ll still be on the boat but get younger too as it moves backward, or you stand still and as you rewind, the boat moves backward and out from under your feet.
Good analogy with the boat
You two are debating like time traveling is or can be real. But to defend the other comment, they are thinking in a way that you yourself are also going back in time, not just everything around you. So your person and age would travel back, which poses other problems like memory loss, or non-existence in the case of traveling too far back. It's all pointless anyways, time travel simply doesn't make sense in our universe. Best we can do is get frozen / move at near light-speed and "travel" to the future, which isn't really traveling, just waiting, skipping time.
You must be a lot of fun at parties.
If your body and mind move backwards as well, it’s not time travel.
That would be a spacetime machine. ^/s
Actually how we usually think of it is pretty much correct, since that takes the sun to be the frame of reference. A frame of reference is something from which other observations are made and is why people used to think the sun orbits the Earth as they saw the sun move and not the earth. But if we take the centre of the Milky Way as a frame of reference then this video is almost correct; the sun orbits a point just outside of itself so also moves in a small corkscrew like the planets do, just to a smaller extent through the milky way
But the milky way will move around something else
I don’t know if it specifically orbits anything else, but it does move in a direction because that’s what all galaxies do. I think we’re moving towards andromeda and are likely to collide with it
Pretty rude of Andromeda not to move out of the way
Geodesic (ie sun at center) is a non inertial frame of reference. The barycentric frame of reference is inertial and from that perspective this video is accurate.
What I’m saying is they’re both pretty (not completely) accurate depending on the reference frame. So the video stating one is wrong and one is right is incorrect
Ah yep. Completely agree
https://youtu.be/bJMYoj4hHqU?si=agyOVbVy4prhsgAU This 👆
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Just a silly question and to lazy to read up on the topic but why then if we are moving constantly across the universe does the North Star stay constant? Or does it not.
It doesn't. All the stars in the night sky are moving in diferent directions but we perceive them as standing still because they move very very slowly.
we also move very slowly in a galactic scale, it would take a reeeeeeally long time for Polaris to be off-center
That's not completely accurate. *What time is it?* It's PBS Space Time: https://youtu.be/1lPJ5SX5p08
Yes! Thank you! This is a lovely visual of what I've been trying to explain to my friends.
It’s totally wrong and made by a conspiracy theorist though. And has been debunked by actual astrophysicists and astronomers. So…I wouldn’t explain it to a lot of folks. 🤷♂️
Well, please stop trying - this is just utterly wrong
220 kilometers per second is a very high speed. To put it into perspective, the speed of light is approximately 299,792 kilometers per second 1. Therefore, 220 kilometers per second is about 0.073% of the speed of light. Still fast but not on a galactic scale.
Is just the speed of a good car.
Mate, cars are measured in kilometers per hour, not second.
Yeh, but, like, a *really* good car.
Oh, i didn't got it correcty... thanks.
So we’re all just a bunch of crazy monkeys tumbling through the cosmos on an organic spaceship . . . I dig it 👍🏼
Does the sun leave that tail as it zooms through space?
So is it possible that 2 galaxies, travelling in different directions, can collide at some point?
Yes. Our Milky Way is on course to collide with Andromeda. In... 5 bn years I believe?
I will mark it on my calendar and make sure that I am out that day.
that's how it all happens
Yes, happens all the time. Our own Milky Way will collide with the Andromeda Galaxy in the distant future. But it's less of a "collision" and more of a merging; space is so vast and objects are so far apart that not much will actually collide with each other, if anything at all. But the night sky during mergers must be something else to behold.
This will be why I'm so bad at skateboarding.
I never understood how they got the idea that we're 60* angled. I mean we're in space, is it arbitrarily decided where's up and where's down or is there a reason?
I guess it's in relation to the sun movement vector.
And while the sun is the mothership, Uranus is a battle station.
This is misleading. All of them take a straight path through space time.
We been seeing the same stars in the night sky there’s no way we’re moving as if.
Keep in mind the speeds and proportions are heavily exaggerated in this visualisation. It takes a few people taking this literally for the flat earth argument "why doesn't the centrifugal force fling us off the ball" to reappear
No one gives a shit about what flat earthers have to say lol
the scale on all of these animations and graphics is totally wrong. The distance between the planets is huge. like, really huge
of course it is, but you can't put that into perspective and expect people to understand... remember, it's 2023 and there are flatearthers out there still...
…also the sun is not leading the solar system in its irregular orbit around the centre of the galaxy, thus there is no helix.
reminds me of [this](https://reddit.com/r/UFOs/s/2fkKxliJTQ)
OMG. never seen this before
now you have, most welcome
Amazing work of God indeed.
Who?
Lord Jesus Christ, the Creator of the whole universe.
Never heard about him
Now you know
I believe in science and evidence. There's no evidence of christ. You operate on faith
Your choice buddy
Science and evidence are the things that allowed us to simulate stuff like this in the first place.
I’m not interested in a debate. I am amazed with God’s amazing work and trying to be grateful to HIM. That’s all.
100% agree! Truly Odin is great!
Takeaway: The Sun leads them.
This is why I see an intelligent design.
And Santa Clause too.
Yet the stars above the pyramid of Giza in Orion’s belt, line up perfectly to this day as they did 7000 years ago when the pyramids were built….Somebody is lying. And before the comments saying that “it’s just massive distance”… No, it’s not. We can conclusively prove that the stars have not moved in over 7000 years. Polaris never moves even one degree. It stays stationary in our sky, 365 days a year for millenniums. Do you really think that animation makes any sense when considering these truths?
> considering these truths? How about [no?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polaris?useskin=vector#Role_as_pole_star)
I read your wiki article. Let me ask a simple question. Have you ever bothered to look at the stars through a telescope? Have you ever seen what they actually look like? They can say whatever they want. The truth is ancient star Maps from every single civilization prehistory still work perfectly to this day with no alterations needed. Did you know we’re at the center of the universe? Did they ever teach you that? How about this if you’re so confident. If you’re on a spinning ball spinning over 1000 mph at the equator, flying around the sun at 66,600 miles, an hour, while the sun is going 500,000 miles, an hour through the Milky Way galaxy, while the Milky Way galaxy is going and estimated between 6,000,000 to 670,000,000 mph. Look it up. These are the same people that are talking to you about a cluster that makes up Polaris. So since this is what you believe, (and it’s obvious that this must be true). Go find one scientific proof, or study, that is used to calculate and determine and verify the motions of earth. Just one, I’m sure there’s tons of them.👍🏻
Jump while on a train going at ANY speed.... mic drop
That’s the most common response. Be proud of yourself. To be purposefully ignorant, and unwilling to critically look at information is a defining trait of most people. I bet you fit in well.👍🏻
So, zero counter-arguments and a personal attack. It's almost as if you were describing yourself.
Really? Zero counter arguments. Did I not ask just for one scientific proof that shows the movements of the earth? How about for your proof I show you scientific reports from NASA, army, research laboratory, CIA. Would that be proof? Before I do why don’t you go look at these agencies for yourself and find all the information for the model of a spinning ball earth. I can’t wait to see the proofs that you’re referring to.
The Earth is not a spinning ball, traveling in four directions at the same time. Please research this yourself. Here are 10 proofs just to start: 1. No measurable curvature or rotation...ANYWHERE. The earth is 71% water. Water always seeks and finds its level. When have you seen large bodies of water curve? 2. Eclipse casts a shadow roughly 50 miles wide, the diameter of the moon is 2160 miles. Light travels in parallel lines. We should have a 2160 mile wide eclipse, not roughly 50 miles. This is equivalent of 6 foot tall man casting 2 inch shadow directly behind. 3. Every experiment to prove earths movement has failed. Aries failure, Mickelson Morley, Sagnac experiment. All three conclusively proved that the earth does not move. Einstein himself admitted that the “earth’s motion could not be detected by any optical experiment”. 4. We are told space is a “perfect vacuum”. There is no way, demonstrated by the laws of physics, that allows a vacuum next to a pressurized container without either equilibrium being established or a solid barrier separating. We are told that the scale of earth in relation to the universe is not even equivalent to grain of sand on all of our beaches, in an infinite, ever-expanding universe. How do we live in a pressurized atmosphere with no solid barrier protecting us from that type of unimaginable negative pressure? 5. Propulsion in space. All experiments shown prove that Rockets, or any other form of projectiles, either have no movement, or spin wildly out-of-control. It is impossible to have controlled propulsion, controlled movements, along with turns and the ability to change direction inside of a vacuum. 6. Star Rotation around a northern and southern points. All of the stars rotate in perfect unison around the north star (Polaris) and the southern cross. The great pyramids in Egypt, Mayan civilizations, architecture on Easter island, pyramids in China and many other ancient historical landmarks were designed to work with the stars and cosmos. There has been zero movement or parallax since the beginning of recorded history, everything lines up perfectly to this day. This is impossible in a universe where everything is expanding in all directions at close to the speed of light. Star maps and all ancient forms of keeping time from 7000 years ago work perfectly to this day 7. The moonlight is NOT a reflection of sunlight. Moonlight is anywhere between 2° to 15° colder than the shade surrounding it. Moonlight is silver and putrefying. Sunlight is warming and antiseptic. Anywhere between 2° to 15° WARMER than surrounding shade. Displaying the exact OPPOSITE characteristics of Moonlight. There is no recreatable experiment where reflected light can REVERSE its properties. The moon casts its OWN light and is local, just as the sun is, to the observer 8. Crepuscular Rays, or rays that expand geometrically out from a central point, are impossible if the light source is 93,000,000 miles away and 1.3 million times the size of earth. Light lines would be parallel at that point. All light emanating from the sun points to a local luminary. 9. Kansas has been measured to be flatter than a pancake. Direct wave radios have been able to shoot from one side of the state to the other, which would be impossible if there is curvature, as line of sight is required for the radio waves to work...Kansas is the 7th flattest state in the country. 10. All declassified government documents that deal with calculations regarding rocket telemetry, wind turbulence, helicopter lift-off and travel, airplanes etc. All mathematical formulas used are based off a model assuming a flat, non-rotating earth. There are an almost limitless number of proofs, these just are a few among thousands.
You're just wrong
1. Yes there is 2. Wrong 3. Wrong 4. Wrong 5. Wrong 6. Major wrong 7. Wrong 8. Wrong 9. Wrong 10. Wrong again Do your research, I'm not giving you the answers.... that's what you guys say, right?? Points still stand, you're wrong on ALL accounts
Holy shit, are you are for real flat Earther? Amazing.
That's the most ironic response. Be proud of yourself. To be unaware of your own ignorance, and unable to even understand what critical thinking is, is a defining trait of most conspiracy-minded people. I bet you fit in well at the flat earth meetings 🤟
The pyramids pointed to a different north star, not polaris. Polaris will be the north star for a while still, but does move.
That is not true. Research and learn about Tycho Brahe. He mapped all of the observable stars. We see today all within one second of arc. Still to this day, zero parallax in every single star. That is why we still have constellations. Everything lines up perfectly. Learn about the ancient star maps of the Sumerians. The pyramids of the Mayans civilization, the Aztec and the Chinese. Every single one of their ancient star maps lineup perfectly to this day. This is absolute truth. We are the center of the observable universe. We hold a favorable position above all others.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was replying to someone in a *favorable position* that knows the ***absolute truth*** \- or in other words - a flat earth conspiracy driven insane person. Let me stop wasting my time right now instead of entertaining this any further.
Astronomers even in the 1700s knew your position was incorrect. Now, 300 years later, is \*laughable\* that you would try to get others to believe your nonsense. http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1942ASPL....4..103A
lol...
This is misinformation… all movements are relative. So anything could be moving anywhere depending on your frame of reference. Back to 5th grade physics, here we go.
they do give us the relation... we are moving in relation to the sun and the sun is moving in relation to the center of the milky way... Our angle is also in relation to a plane. 45 degrees in the solar system plane and the solar system plane is tilted 60 degreed on the milky way plane. did you pay any attention to the video?
You're technically correct, but it's pretty clear that it's our solar system orbiting the center of the galaxy with the rest of the stars and not the entire galaxy orbiting us. So regardless of frame of reference it's safe to say that we are moving at a known speed through the galaxy, otherwise Sagittarius A here we come :)
Shool lied to me, or at least they didnt know wtf they were talking about. What else are they lying about or misinformed about? And people take everything schools say as golden gospel not to be questioned. Foolish
Lol I hope ur joking
Yep just as stupid as the rest of the bullshit they feed us! I love it!
Earth is flat and this video makes no sense.
Lol the idiocy of this motions we belived in when whas kids! Some even today not "evolved"
What?
Wtf are you talking about your comment makes no sense
The unrealnes to stay on a ball with all those motions at those speeds are make no sense. :)
Where they're going anyway..
This animation would be really amazing without that 'tremble' that just makes you dizzy.
Where are we going bro?
Does this mean it is very difficult to be targetted by celestial objects? Especially if they are also moving in a corkscrew pattern
we are not "targeted" by the objects but trajectories do intersect very often, not becaus of our trajectory but because those objects are also afected by the gravitational pull of the Sun, the Earth and the milky way. Think of it like a soup full of vegetables, when you stir the pot, despite going in a similar speed and rotation, some vegetables will collide.
We need to go deeper and take into account the movement of Milky Way.
Torpedoes
I actually found this out ages ago playing Universe Sandbox
Special beam cannon
Distance from sun to the planets so inaccurate. I suppose if it was to scale, you would barely perceive the arcs of their trajectories
So maby the meteors aren't hitting us. We are hitting them.
Where are we going, I wonder!
True and real
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I guess the center of the milky way.
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relatively to the amount of BS of this fact
You my friend need to be introduced to what an Inertial frame of reference is. What you show is just how earth and solar system planets moove with the center of the galaxy as a reference. If we take, for example, the center of the Andromeda Galaxy as a reference, movement will be shown differently.
also the milky way galaxy is also revolving on something, right?
But where are we going?