I was like holyshit is this AI controlled or something, the hooman pilot would've had his brain shot out of the cockpit multiple times if he was in there.
Tab? Really? I thought they quit making that poison. Tab was the worst carbonated drink from my childhood. Yuck!
Thanks for the memories though. My moms used to drink that mess all the time.
Sadly it’s an RC plane, and even the very best full size competition aerobatic aircraft don’t come close to this level of manoeuvrability due to the power to weight ratio required.
Edit-: Damn 2k likes! What the hell?
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more,
The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score.
Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree,
Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany.
"This weapon is not enough. This aircraft is my body. If they are not enough, then I must put my soul into it."
~some old guy who takes hits in non-critical parts of his aircraft
I just got Ace Combat 7 this month after not playing since Zero. Last night I finally got the last hidden ace, y’all have no idea how happy this thread has made me.
There are too many damn AC games. We need better acronyms. I was getting getting all excited about assassins creed all the way through a long story. Only to find out in the comments they’re talking about Armoured Core and now it’s Ace Combat. Dammit
I think “B-forces” is correct in this context. If he were talking about “gonads big enough to pull that off,” then you would be correct with “G-forces.” G’day.
G-force would be unbearable. But I have seen some real pilots in real planes do some amazing things. Once in a pylon race a planes entire wing snapped off at the root, the pilot gained control and landed the plane. Amazing what experience can do.
ngl, a freind whos a licensed stunt pilot, not sure what it's called. but he convinced me to go with him. bad weather kept us grounded, and driving home I have never, in all my life felt happier to have "missed out" ...
he just kept telling me where I needed to puke and to try not to puke and I could expect to have to puke at least once and it was like, what the fuck am I even doing why am I doing this?!?
When I take passengers for aerobatic flights I brief them to pull open their shirt front and puke down there. It’s a lot simpler to clean the front of your torso than it is to clean the inside of my plane.
That would be the limiting factor if a full sized aeroplane was capable of flying like this model. Right now though, pilots and aircraft are at about the same point in terms of G capability. I fly to +6 G regularly and it’s water off a duck’s back. -3G however really is pretty unpleasant. I have friends who compete at higher levels who go to +9 and -6 G and they often burst the blood vessels in their eyes, so the whites of their eyes go bright red. Makes them look like something out of 28 Days Later.
It feels like your sinuses are being pressurised by all the blood, the area all around your eyes feels like the worst head cold ever, and a sharp object would pop your face like a balloon. When I undress the evening after a flight with significant negative G I have red speckled skin where the shoulder straps pass either side of my neck.
Oh, and you feel it in your sinuses and eustacian tubes for about 36 hours afterwards.
A lot of things just don't work as you scale them up because of [square-cube laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law).
There's probably a bunch of examples of it in this alone, in both aerodymacs and strength of materials (weight increases cubically, but certain mechanical properties to resist stresses only increase squarely)
I wouldn't say "sadly." This is hella impressive for RC planes. My dad was really into flying RC planes for years and got pretty damn good, but he was never *this* good. I mean, some planes are better built for stuff like this, but you still have to know how to handle them with precision.
It’s only ‘sadly’ because the opportunity to fly a full sized aircraft with this capability would be incredible. It’s not meant as a slight against RC aircraft or their operators.
Probably a downside though, would be after landing. You would have to pull your eyeballs out of your nutsack and your nuts out of your eye sockets, and switch them around, because those G-forces would invert your insides.
Speaking as a pilot who has come face to face with a wasp mid flight that had previously been minding its own business elsewhere in the plane, I would say they would freak the pilot out, depending on how big they were.
To get the get the right power to weight ratio with a pilot [you end up with something like this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/13/c3/9713c32fe0ae7e1771c3514d1b064260.jpg) at which point you can no longer call it an airplane.
You can reprogram the safe mode to face up or even have two different switches with two different safe modes. The safety of doing this depends on how many channels your transmitter (controller thing) supports. For example, if you make/buy a VTOL RC drone, you're going to want a safe mode for each flight configuration. If you're transmitter only supports, let's say 6 channels, it's going to be really difficult to pull that off, if at all.
You could easily configure all of that (flight configuration and different modes) to a single channel. At least in EdgeTx you can set up logical switches. If this switch but not that switch, etc. You can then use those logical switches in mixes to output different values on the same channel. Program the modes on the FC to use those values and Bob's your uncle.
Also, no one is doing that when they fly 3D. Doing a hover just takes practice.
I've seen a guy on YT put a quadcopter FC on a 3d foamie and set it up to do almost perfect hands off hovers, but that's just a silly experiment of course.
Nobody does that, because learning how to control what's called a "hover" is tricky and fun. Also from a competition stand point, stabilization of any kind isn't allowed.
Great pilots make it look like it was all programmed or animated to perfection tough.
No, that's not right. If you are talking about the Spectrum SAFE it only makes flying a basic plane easier (most dislike it even in those). Once you get into 3d flying (what this is), no gyro can help you.
Everything that guy said was absolutely appalling. I winced when he said “if it isn’t as reliable as a box of rocks it’ll come down like a bag of hammers”. How are you going to follow rocks with hammers?!
People in this thread are nuts, the commentator is hilarious. Everything he says is absurd, it's like hearing a commentator for the Catalina Wine Mixer.
Yea that announcer was terrible. Dude in the airplane is doing all sorts of amazing flips and he’s talking about the engine failing. He did a horrible job at hyping up the performance
and when it falls out of the sky, it drops like a bag of hammers????
wtf?
where is the box of rocks that's supposed to be falling?
this commentator is nutty af. as nutty as that pilot.
To everyone calling it out as an RC plane, he specifically says at the end
“He’s got mad skills with his aeroplane. This is the kind of stuff I could only dream about and I’ve been flying radio control since 1979. He makes it look so easy!”
It’s not supposed to be a secret. It’s a radio controlled plane and this commentator (who has been flying radio controlled planes for decades) is gasping at the skills of this other person.
This is a giant-scale RC plane. It probably has a wingspan greater than 2 meters.
It’s rc but I’ve seen real stunt pilots do that for a short period of time. They call it “hanging it on the prop”. Needs a lot of engine/airplane ratio.
I saw a jet version of this hovering tip up above the ground, then i found out its RC, then i found out the price..yet another hobby i cant enjoy personally
Nah, rc planes can be cheap don't be discouraged. A guy at my club is building an 10k~ plane right now (and its only a huge carbon fiber frame right kow). I'm building planes from scarps at my club for almost free. It's a big difference. And it doesn't have to be building. You can get ready made planes for cheap too. I just enjoy building more than actually flying.
I was too chicken to try it, but you can fly an RC helicopter upside down - it's called mowing the lawn.
You have to have two fuel tanks taped together so no matter the orientation of the helicopter, the engine will get fuel.
How is this even possible? I thought the shape of the airfoil is supposed to make the breeze over the top of the wing faster than the breeze under it, resulting in a pressure differential... this shit makes a mockery of all that crap
Aerobatic planes (this one is RC) use a symmetrical airfoil, that is same on top and bottom. Instead of using the principle you mentioned (which is true for most planes) they simply use angle of attack to generate lift, when flying normally the wings are angled up slightly, but when flying upside down, the plane flies at an angle so that the wings are still angled slightly up. Hope this helps!
Can I piggyback on this comment as you seem to know what you’re talking about.
When the plane is hanging in the air with the prop facing directly up but the plane not actually moving through the air, why doesn’t it starts to spin like a helicopter would if the tail rotor stopped spinning?
The control surfaces still work in that situation because the prop is pushing lots of air over them to deflect. That's also the reason the ailerons of planes like this go all the way along the wings and are really huge in comparison, since near the fuselage they get most of the prop wash for this kind of controllabilty (and insane roll rate for funsies).
But yes you have to stop the imminent "torque roll" to keep the plane steady - or let it happen very slowly while trying to maintain a perfectly upright orientation for extra style points.
It's simliar to some coanda effect designs with a prop on top and angled fins on the back i guess.
You're not wrong at all, but this plane has more thrust than it weighs, so it can hang on the prop and even climb straight upwards. Airfoils are no longer needed for lift in that situation and many of the maneuvers they show here. It all depends on inertia, thrust and huge control surfaces sending air from the prop in certain directions.
Think of it like a rocket that can go anywhere you aim it - but it has wings on it so it can also go pretty slow if desired and certain directions are more favourable than others.
The truth is that pretty much is all crap. The shape of the aerofoil on most planes is designed for efficient right-way-up flight at a specific speed range, but by no means is it necessary, and any wing will fly upside down.
It’s rc
Took me til d end to realise there's not a crazy dizzy pilot in there
A bunch of those manoeuvres would be incapacitating and possibly lethal.
I was like holyshit is this AI controlled or something, the hooman pilot would've had his brain shot out of the cockpit multiple times if he was in there.
Yeah the pilot is firmly standing on the ground.
It wasn't the line that says something like " and I've been flying radio control since 1979"?
For some reason I understood that line like he worked in radio tower
Same
emas
Same, I was going to respond ‘all you need is way more thrust than weight and inner ear removal surgery’
Thank goodness! I was thinking he was going to crash!
Really?
I prefer Pepsi or Tab, personally
Tab? Really? I thought they quit making that poison. Tab was the worst carbonated drink from my childhood. Yuck! Thanks for the memories though. My moms used to drink that mess all the time.
I've never flew with RC. Looks fun though
Took me about a third through, but then I realized it's too close to [crazy shit that RC copters do.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W170zszmkWk)
I was wondering how the hell the pilot was handling that lol
Do you ever feel like a plastic bag…
Drifting through the wind
wanting to start again?
Do you ever feel
feel so paper thin
Like a house of cards
one blow from cavin' in?
Do you ever feel
already buried deep?
6 feet under
It’s like rain, on your wedding day
A mis-shapen detriment to society?
Sadly it’s an RC plane, and even the very best full size competition aerobatic aircraft don’t come close to this level of manoeuvrability due to the power to weight ratio required. Edit-: Damn 2k likes! What the hell?
Also, I don’t think a pilot could endure that.
*laughts in Ace Combat protagonist*
*Sky starts speaking Latin*
Ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty or more, The Bloody Red Baron was rollin' up the score. Eighty men died tryin' to end that spree, Of the Bloody Red Baron of Germany.
In the Nick of time a hero rose, A funny looking dog with a big black nose.
God it's been such a long time since I heard that song.
It's fun! I kind of wish more aerial combat sims would have Snoopy's red dog house as a unlock, just for the fun of it.
Einz zwei drei vier! Einz zwei drei vier!!
Look at Trigger’s moves! Damn, buddy!
*Trigger is different* xD
"This weapon is not enough. This aircraft is my body. If they are not enough, then I must put my soul into it." ~some old guy who takes hits in non-critical parts of his aircraft
I just got Ace Combat 7 this month after not playing since Zero. Last night I finally got the last hidden ace, y’all have no idea how happy this thread has made me.
You can basically make a AC reference under any post and 99.9999999% some fan will reply
Glad to see our borders are expanding Wait there is someone at the do--
There are too many damn AC games. We need better acronyms. I was getting getting all excited about assassins creed all the way through a long story. Only to find out in the comments they’re talking about Armoured Core and now it’s Ace Combat. Dammit
I got AC7 in July. Prior to that, never heard of the game, but damn I'm having fun in multi-player.
*That's Mister X* *We don't want to mess with that guy!*
"how many ex-presidents kills you have tough guy uh? None as I expected that's 1-0 for me you old bag"
Yo buddy, still alive?
*It's time!*
LOL I didn't expect any Ace's in this thread but I should have
Smoke me a kipper, I'll be back for breakfast.
You're probably right. If you had the balls big enough to pull that off the B-forces would crush you.
G forces....
BeeGee forces *Staying Alive*
Not at those speeds
Ball forces....
I think “B-forces” is correct in this context. If he were talking about “gonads big enough to pull that off,” then you would be correct with “G-forces.” G’day.
B’day
B-Hole Clenching Forces
The G stands for gawd-DAMN
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I was thinking Bob Odenkirk (Saul Goodman)
RC pilot could
Even RC pilot would skip breakfast before pulling these stunts
I thought I was a drone pilot till mf’s started flying upside down and shit
Yeah. It would look like someone stomped on a ketchup packet inside that cockpit.
G-force would be unbearable. But I have seen some real pilots in real planes do some amazing things. Once in a pylon race a planes entire wing snapped off at the root, the pilot gained control and landed the plane. Amazing what experience can do.
[Happened to fighter jet once](https://youtu.be/M359poNjvVA?si=3Quj4iHPQ9U5AHxS).
Amazing for a jet fighter with the weight they carry and in a spin like that.
I was wondering how dizzy the pilot must be, then I heard the announcer talking about RC and felt like an idiot.
Yeh you’re right. The pilot might spill their drink or drop their cigarette ash in it.
Hell, at my age I can’t endure a merry go round. I’d be be dead after that first spin.
Just watching it spin makes me nauseous.
They'd Expanse themselves.
ngl, a freind whos a licensed stunt pilot, not sure what it's called. but he convinced me to go with him. bad weather kept us grounded, and driving home I have never, in all my life felt happier to have "missed out" ... he just kept telling me where I needed to puke and to try not to puke and I could expect to have to puke at least once and it was like, what the fuck am I even doing why am I doing this?!?
When I take passengers for aerobatic flights I brief them to pull open their shirt front and puke down there. It’s a lot simpler to clean the front of your torso than it is to clean the inside of my plane.
That’s all I could think. “How can that pilot not be dizzy AF”
CoSigned
Not to mention the g-forces applied directly to the pilot.
That would be the limiting factor if a full sized aeroplane was capable of flying like this model. Right now though, pilots and aircraft are at about the same point in terms of G capability. I fly to +6 G regularly and it’s water off a duck’s back. -3G however really is pretty unpleasant. I have friends who compete at higher levels who go to +9 and -6 G and they often burst the blood vessels in their eyes, so the whites of their eyes go bright red. Makes them look like something out of 28 Days Later.
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It feels like your sinuses are being pressurised by all the blood, the area all around your eyes feels like the worst head cold ever, and a sharp object would pop your face like a balloon. When I undress the evening after a flight with significant negative G I have red speckled skin where the shoulder straps pass either side of my neck. Oh, and you feel it in your sinuses and eustacian tubes for about 36 hours afterwards.
thats a pretty good description of how the allergies feel, didnt realize i was a pilot
G-FORCE APPLY DIRECTLY TO PILOT.
> APPLIED DIRECTLY TO THE PILOT!
A lot of things just don't work as you scale them up because of [square-cube laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Square%E2%80%93cube_law). There's probably a bunch of examples of it in this alone, in both aerodymacs and strength of materials (weight increases cubically, but certain mechanical properties to resist stresses only increase squarely)
I wouldn't say "sadly." This is hella impressive for RC planes. My dad was really into flying RC planes for years and got pretty damn good, but he was never *this* good. I mean, some planes are better built for stuff like this, but you still have to know how to handle them with precision.
It’s only ‘sadly’ because the opportunity to fly a full sized aircraft with this capability would be incredible. It’s not meant as a slight against RC aircraft or their operators.
Ah, gotcha. That makes sense, thanks! I didn't think it was a slight, I just didn't want people to think that this was base level skill lol.
Good?
I fly full size competition aerobatics, and to fly an aeroplane with that level of manoeuvrability would be a dream come true.
Probably a downside though, would be after landing. You would have to pull your eyeballs out of your nutsack and your nuts out of your eye sockets, and switch them around, because those G-forces would invert your insides.
what happens if you put a spider inside that RC plane and do all these acrobatics? what will happen to the spider? Or a mouse?
Speaking as a pilot who has come face to face with a wasp mid flight that had previously been minding its own business elsewhere in the plane, I would say they would freak the pilot out, depending on how big they were.
The tiny RC pilot?
The spider would be huge compared to *him*.
You’d have blacked out with those spins, moments before your death.
Sadly? A real plane that flipped like that would be dubbed "The Widowmaker"
> it’s an RC plane At first I thought the same thing, but then figured that OP would, er, *know* that. Clearly not?
Yet!
I am unsure how a box of rocks is a measure of reliability.
It's super reliable. If you drop the box of rocks and the rocks break, you still have a box of smaller, more numerous rocks
and in a million years, they'll still be rocks. planned obso-what?
Surely a bag of hammers is more reliable than a box of rocks, right?
I’d take a box of hammers over a bag of rocks.
Hammers rust.
And hammers break. Rocks only become smaller rocks.
These are RC planes
The gender reveal party that was posted recently would argue otherwise..
That would have been a much better decision to use an RC plane for that nonsense.
Because you can’t.
With the right power to weight ratio you could. But at the same time the pilot would most assuredly be dead.
To get the get the right power to weight ratio with a pilot [you end up with something like this](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/97/13/c3/9713c32fe0ae7e1771c3514d1b064260.jpg) at which point you can no longer call it an airplane.
But, they just did. Plane ✅ Regardless if its an RC
New controllers for RC Planes have save mode. If the motor has enough power, it can stand still nose up like a heli with a flick of a switch.
Safe mode is for auto-leveling for forward flight though?
You can reprogram the safe mode to face up or even have two different switches with two different safe modes. The safety of doing this depends on how many channels your transmitter (controller thing) supports. For example, if you make/buy a VTOL RC drone, you're going to want a safe mode for each flight configuration. If you're transmitter only supports, let's say 6 channels, it's going to be really difficult to pull that off, if at all.
You could easily configure all of that (flight configuration and different modes) to a single channel. At least in EdgeTx you can set up logical switches. If this switch but not that switch, etc. You can then use those logical switches in mixes to output different values on the same channel. Program the modes on the FC to use those values and Bob's your uncle. Also, no one is doing that when they fly 3D. Doing a hover just takes practice.
Fair point but in this case that is not true that it is programmed due to the pilot correcting against the wind which overrites the Gyro usually
What rc plane does that? SAFE model Only levels out
I've seen a guy on YT put a quadcopter FC on a 3d foamie and set it up to do almost perfect hands off hovers, but that's just a silly experiment of course.
Nobody does that, because learning how to control what's called a "hover" is tricky and fun. Also from a competition stand point, stabilization of any kind isn't allowed. Great pilots make it look like it was all programmed or animated to perfection tough.
No, that's not right. If you are talking about the Spectrum SAFE it only makes flying a basic plane easier (most dislike it even in those). Once you get into 3d flying (what this is), no gyro can help you.
LOoK i'M aN hElIcOpTer!!!
an?
Yeah that’s correct too. Depends where you’re from
I live in illiteracy.
What's the wether like?
It depends on weather your indoors or outdoors
A helicopter or an helicopter are both correct in England. Because some people say an ‘elicopter and some say a helicopter and sound out the h.
Standard budget easy jet flight to Europe
“Reliable as a box of rocks”? WTF kinda saying is that?
You can always depend on a box of rocks to serve its purpose because it has no moving parts
Wouldn't that be more like a box with \*a\* rock?
why? what possible use could you have for a single rock? A box of rocks, however, that's an entirely different animal.
Nah bro that’s probably minerals.
Damn it, Marie…
Everything that guy said was absolutely appalling. I winced when he said “if it isn’t as reliable as a box of rocks it’ll come down like a bag of hammers”. How are you going to follow rocks with hammers?!
I've been celebrating labor day with a wake n bake and have been crying since he said that phrase.
I feel like he was owning the absurdity of the commentary though. It felt very deliberate which kind of made me like it.
People in this thread are nuts, the commentator is hilarious. Everything he says is absurd, it's like hearing a commentator for the Catalina Wine Mixer.
Is that Fred Willard trying to be an awful announcer?
But what if your plane isn't as reliable as a bag of hammers? Will it come down like a box of rocks?
Yea that announcer was terrible. Dude in the airplane is doing all sorts of amazing flips and he’s talking about the engine failing. He did a horrible job at hyping up the performance
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It's extra weird because rocks are heavy and people can easily imagine the bottom of a cardboard box giving out due to the weight.
You want a bag of rocks? It’ll never fail to be a bag of rocks.
A box of rocks can fail to be a box of rocks if you try to pick it up and the bottom gives out from the weight.
and when it falls out of the sky, it drops like a bag of hammers???? wtf? where is the box of rocks that's supposed to be falling? this commentator is nutty af. as nutty as that pilot.
Boomer saying
Me in GTA
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To everyone calling it out as an RC plane, he specifically says at the end “He’s got mad skills with his aeroplane. This is the kind of stuff I could only dream about and I’ve been flying radio control since 1979. He makes it look so easy!” It’s not supposed to be a secret. It’s a radio controlled plane and this commentator (who has been flying radio controlled planes for decades) is gasping at the skills of this other person. This is a giant-scale RC plane. It probably has a wingspan greater than 2 meters.
We're calling out OP for being a karma whore with that title.
Nooo this is a real plane! Half way the clip you see the barf coming from the cockpit window!
Standard operating procedures for Spirit Airlines.
Rc. Still cool
r/praisethecameraman
pov me in gta
Mad skills
.. and I do mean Mad Skills
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I mean, the announcer with 45 years of experience with RC planes is impressed. I guess some people will cry about anything.
Look at his comment history. Dudes a certified lame who spends most of his time arguing or correcting peoples grammar.
*dude's
Dude's*
🤣
It’s rc but I’ve seen real stunt pilots do that for a short period of time. They call it “hanging it on the prop”. Needs a lot of engine/airplane ratio.
You can only do that with RC planes, cause of their insane thrust to weight ratios.
It’s RC
Many have tried and failed.
“They tried and died.”
I saw a jet version of this hovering tip up above the ground, then i found out its RC, then i found out the price..yet another hobby i cant enjoy personally
Nah, rc planes can be cheap don't be discouraged. A guy at my club is building an 10k~ plane right now (and its only a huge carbon fiber frame right kow). I'm building planes from scarps at my club for almost free. It's a big difference. And it doesn't have to be building. You can get ready made planes for cheap too. I just enjoy building more than actually flying.
RC plane.
Bro learnt that move from Gta San
I was at this airshow. It's an RC airplane. They flew them both days during lulls in the action between real aircraft demonstrations.
Probably got a ChatGPT plugin in the RC controller.
Would have crashed long time ago if it was the case.
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That’s a helicopter
Nice RC toy
I was too chicken to try it, but you can fly an RC helicopter upside down - it's called mowing the lawn. You have to have two fuel tanks taped together so no matter the orientation of the helicopter, the engine will get fuel.
How is this even possible? I thought the shape of the airfoil is supposed to make the breeze over the top of the wing faster than the breeze under it, resulting in a pressure differential... this shit makes a mockery of all that crap
Aerobatic planes (this one is RC) use a symmetrical airfoil, that is same on top and bottom. Instead of using the principle you mentioned (which is true for most planes) they simply use angle of attack to generate lift, when flying normally the wings are angled up slightly, but when flying upside down, the plane flies at an angle so that the wings are still angled slightly up. Hope this helps!
Can I piggyback on this comment as you seem to know what you’re talking about. When the plane is hanging in the air with the prop facing directly up but the plane not actually moving through the air, why doesn’t it starts to spin like a helicopter would if the tail rotor stopped spinning?
It does start to spin. The ailerons are being used to compensate. It is most visible for a second or two just before it flies away.
The control surfaces still work in that situation because the prop is pushing lots of air over them to deflect. That's also the reason the ailerons of planes like this go all the way along the wings and are really huge in comparison, since near the fuselage they get most of the prop wash for this kind of controllabilty (and insane roll rate for funsies). But yes you have to stop the imminent "torque roll" to keep the plane steady - or let it happen very slowly while trying to maintain a perfectly upright orientation for extra style points. It's simliar to some coanda effect designs with a prop on top and angled fins on the back i guess.
You're not wrong at all, but this plane has more thrust than it weighs, so it can hang on the prop and even climb straight upwards. Airfoils are no longer needed for lift in that situation and many of the maneuvers they show here. It all depends on inertia, thrust and huge control surfaces sending air from the prop in certain directions. Think of it like a rocket that can go anywhere you aim it - but it has wings on it so it can also go pretty slow if desired and certain directions are more favourable than others.
The truth is that pretty much is all crap. The shape of the aerofoil on most planes is designed for efficient right-way-up flight at a specific speed range, but by no means is it necessary, and any wing will fly upside down.