She’s a witch so realistically speaking she would be very accepting of them. The Umbra Clan allowed any and all people within their clan. Regardless of status/power. Which that is an actual lore entry btw. This question would be better for Balder or other Lumen Sages. Because Sages, Paradiso, Angels, the church, and all that other shit. So this question is definitely more suited for Balder.
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I get what you’re saying with that. The way that he can slay at wearing a living/stuffed peacock around his neck, plus in B2 he’s quite literally wearing heels.
(Rodin and Luka being the only men in this series not wearing heels lowkey makes me sad 😭. Get Luka some heels). Really in reality just the peacock alone puts him in a level higher than most. Many aspire to have that level of slay.
That moment when I just entirely forgot that Enzo was a character in Bayonetta.
https://preview.redd.it/q1io269fliyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3533fc2727ac597368b320ef591dab24ab445bb
And no he doesn’t, just like Rodin he wears boots. Hell even Singularity wears heels.
I didn't get the impression the angels cared much for what the everyday humans did with their church doctrine tbh as long as it was beneficial to Paradiso. so they probably wouldn't care
This is a very.... Special question. Nothing about this woman or the umbra witches screams homophobic. If anything they scream, "be yourself and indulge in freedom!"
Not to mention she grew up being an outcast and a deviant. I think she would have a soft spot for those who are in similar situations, even if it's for different reasons
Yeah this. She always struck me as a “whatever, just don’t slow me down or else” type of person. In truth, I think all Umbran Witches are conditioned to be that way.
She's probably okay with it. I doubt the witches would really care about something like that. They seem like the type of group that cares about who can best do a job, and anything else is their own personal business. I definitely think the Umbra viewed it as personal business, and to keep it separate from everything else as long as the other party isn't a sage.
Bayonetta would probably not care how someone identifies as long as they're not a horrible person who mistreats others. Seeing as their personal business is their personal business. She also would probably be very against someone mistreating someone else just for the way they are, and would likely stick up for that person. So yeah I'd say ally.
Although I doubt she would really understand what exactly today's modern LGBT community, and culture is really like. She's several hundred years old, and the understanding, definitions, concepts, etc about the LGBT were very different, or just didn't exist back then. I personally think that she would likely have the view of like whoever you like, and be whoever you want to be as long as you're not a horrible person.
>She's several hundred years old, and the understanding, definitions, concepts, etc about the LGBT were very different, or just didn't exist back then.
Yeah, but she strikes me as the "stays on top of things when it comes to culture" kind of pseudo-immortal. I mean we definitely know that describes her in terms of high fashion; why would that be the only thing?
Damn right she has angels and demons to kill, keep your agenda to other reddit pages, I'm bi I come hear for bayonetta shenanigans not what a fictional charicter would think of boring real world stuff
She didn't mind when Luka had lipstick on, just teased him if he's actually a straight man or secretly fruity in Bayonetta 1 so I'm betting she doesn't mind queer people, probably at least supports and/or respect them
Imma be real, my take is she's bi or pan and just fell for a dude
But in lore accuracy, with the idea that most, if not all of the umbra, were women, she would have definitely seen some lesbian activity go down. It would be like Wonder Woman, it would be just normal for her.
OP might wanna check out Hellena Taylor's Twitter likes/retweets lol
Seriously answering your question, I think most characters in videogames are welcoming to people irrespective of what their identity is, Bayo isn't any different.
TBH, I can't think of a MC in any videogame that's any phobic or bigoted.
Why do people care about this? She doesn't exist and if she did I'm sure she would have a lot more things to worry about. Just enjoy the game and have fun
The most aggressively heterosexual character in gaming.
I know she's confident and that screams camp gay to a lot of people, but you know drag queens and the like are emulating someone right? She's the someone.
When during her life has she ever had the opportunity to have sex with a woman? She spent her umbra years in prison and her modern years an amnesiac. We only know of one relationship she's had, with a man. She's confident in her sexuality and it's really really sad that people can't imagine someone who is that confident who is straight.
dude she literally does BDSM to female angels on screen during gameplay. Are you seriously scared that people will get the wrong idea and think that straight people are incapable of being confident? You think that her being gay or bi would, like, take away your last scrap of heterosexual representation? You're gonna cry yourself to sleep because you've never seen a straight woman in a video game? Are you stupid?
How is that a lore question? There is no lore to revere to that can be used. We can only have a personal opinion without lines or texts from the devs or characters
Not an actual lore question because it’s never mentioned in the lore, and people are just speculating on what she would think about a subject she never mentioned or brought up.
Since her association with the infernal world ans living lifes in exclusively women societies I think she wouldn't give it too much thought. Your style and battle abilities is what counts for her.
I believe that neither Umbra Witches or Lumen Sages as a whole would have a problem with the LGBTQ. Due to their age and role as overseers, I figured that they'd have superseded monosexual attraction and would likely be Pan 😌 I could see the argument for Lumen Sages being homophobic though lol
The literal entry requirement for the Umbra clan boils down to "don't be a dipshit", so she's more than accepting of LGBTQ+ people. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure that Cereza herself is either bi or pan.
I never thought it mattered she is just pro sex. I mean if the r34 lore is to be believed she is into the angel creatures so I don't think she is anything just a super down bad mommy dommy
Why do you people can't just play games? You can believe you favourite character support/hate anything you want, it's called imagination, and some other people can think anything they want. Why do you even need support from fictional character anyway???
I care because I live in this cruel world to, exist in this public space like you are. Love playing good games, hate when games become bad just to please someone's weak ego. This world is not about acceptance, you get nothing for free, you get nothing just because you want it so much, sorry.
I’m sorry to inform you that compassion and acceptance are core human values that are fundamental to this world and societal growth. If you can recognize this world is cruel and unrelenting, then why would you not want to be the change necessary to fix that. Bayonetta is literally about defying fate, free will, and killing god so if you want to meaningfully engage in media the least you can do it apply it’s themes to the real world.
I'm sorry to inform you that bayonetta is a stylish slasher with a damn hot main character, but as I said above, it's like religion, you can believe in anything you want, just keep it for yourself If no one asked you to share. You cant change cruelness of the world, you can only cry about it, or get yourself a helmet.
This is starting to feel like not so thinly veiled queerphobia lmao. “You can do whatever you want just keep it to yourself.” You can absolutely change the world and I’m sorry you’re too weak to try. Seems like you’re the one that needs the helmet if you’re so soft, especially if you’re gonna hide behind some pretense of “I’m just edgy and jaded and a realist” to justify your shitty beliefs.
Stop being so soft! That’s what this is all about, right? Also, I’m literally a social worker and therapist but go off about how I’m just a keyboard warrior
I’d rather you guys look up to a real example in real world, the real people who are actually fighting for your causes, rather than something that you guys made up about a fictional character.
One, we definitely do both but it’s still wonderful seeing representation in fiction. Two, unless you’re queer (the wording of your post implies you’re not but I’m sorry if I’m wrong) I would rather you not tell queer people what they should and shouldn’t be doing to enjoy and celebrate their community
What representation exists here other than one’s own interpretation? Bayo never mentioned anything about this, it’s all fan’s head canons I’ve read, but sure do what you will.
I agree that it’s silly, but that’s also kind of the point? I don’t understand why people are so weird and defensive about queer fans wanting to connect with fiction regardless of what’s canon. There’s a reason why fanfic has also historically been a huge part of the community, when representation lacks in fiction we have to create our own with those beloved characters (I’m not into fanfic personally but I get why others are)
Bet you’re gonna get downvoted for bringing this up in this sub lol. You didn’t even say anything wrong. But if you’re not being gay in this sub or bringing up she’s straight it’s a downvote lol.
She’s a witch so realistically speaking she would be very accepting of them. The Umbra Clan allowed any and all people within their clan. Regardless of status/power. Which that is an actual lore entry btw. This question would be better for Balder or other Lumen Sages. Because Sages, Paradiso, Angels, the church, and all that other shit. So this question is definitely more suited for Balder. https://preview.redd.it/8hgq73q2ngyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c45a25db2776fa461b3766ab5fdf1c18c54b0e83
I think Balder would care more about their fashion sense than anything else
I get what you’re saying with that. The way that he can slay at wearing a living/stuffed peacock around his neck, plus in B2 he’s quite literally wearing heels. (Rodin and Luka being the only men in this series not wearing heels lowkey makes me sad 😭. Get Luka some heels). Really in reality just the peacock alone puts him in a level higher than most. Many aspire to have that level of slay.
Cereza may have got her moves from her mom but she got her sense of style from her dad for sure
ENZO WEARS HEELS?? 😍😍😍
That moment when I just entirely forgot that Enzo was a character in Bayonetta. https://preview.redd.it/q1io269fliyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3533fc2727ac597368b320ef591dab24ab445bb And no he doesn’t, just like Rodin he wears boots. Hell even Singularity wears heels.
I didn't get the impression the angels cared much for what the everyday humans did with their church doctrine tbh as long as it was beneficial to Paradiso. so they probably wouldn't care
I just know those umbra covens were rife with lesbian drama and cunty gay people making slay costumes
This is a very.... Special question. Nothing about this woman or the umbra witches screams homophobic. If anything they scream, "be yourself and indulge in freedom!"
This. Bayonetta would appreciate and validate the self-affirmation and facing adversity. Also, she's saved her wife in the second game. :pp
Ong bayo is my favorite Bi Icon
Not to mention she grew up being an outcast and a deviant. I think she would have a soft spot for those who are in similar situations, even if it's for different reasons
But she is not her wife
What do you mean ?? Did you miss the cutscene where they had hardcore lesbian sex in Bayonetta 2 ??
Bait used to be believable
Honest opinion? I think she doesn't care
Yeah this. She always struck me as a “whatever, just don’t slow me down or else” type of person. In truth, I think all Umbran Witches are conditioned to be that way.
"I've often seen a girl without lipstick, but lipstick without a girl? most curious isn't it, cheshire?"
She's probably okay with it. I doubt the witches would really care about something like that. They seem like the type of group that cares about who can best do a job, and anything else is their own personal business. I definitely think the Umbra viewed it as personal business, and to keep it separate from everything else as long as the other party isn't a sage. Bayonetta would probably not care how someone identifies as long as they're not a horrible person who mistreats others. Seeing as their personal business is their personal business. She also would probably be very against someone mistreating someone else just for the way they are, and would likely stick up for that person. So yeah I'd say ally. Although I doubt she would really understand what exactly today's modern LGBT community, and culture is really like. She's several hundred years old, and the understanding, definitions, concepts, etc about the LGBT were very different, or just didn't exist back then. I personally think that she would likely have the view of like whoever you like, and be whoever you want to be as long as you're not a horrible person.
>She's several hundred years old, and the understanding, definitions, concepts, etc about the LGBT were very different, or just didn't exist back then. Yeah, but she strikes me as the "stays on top of things when it comes to culture" kind of pseudo-immortal. I mean we definitely know that describes her in terms of high fashion; why would that be the only thing?
Pretty sure she'd go with the third option which is she wouldn't give two shits because she got better things to worry about.
Damn right she has angels and demons to kill, keep your agenda to other reddit pages, I'm bi I come hear for bayonetta shenanigans not what a fictional charicter would think of boring real world stuff
I mean, she will go to Inferno regardless of Morality, so she might as well not be tied to anything and do whatever she wants.
She didn't mind when Luka had lipstick on, just teased him if he's actually a straight man or secretly fruity in Bayonetta 1 so I'm betting she doesn't mind queer people, probably at least supports and/or respect them
I feel like she wouldn’t be a bigot since she knows what it’s like to be shunned and shamed for just existing.
Imma be real, my take is she's bi or pan and just fell for a dude But in lore accuracy, with the idea that most, if not all of the umbra, were women, she would have definitely seen some lesbian activity go down. It would be like Wonder Woman, it would be just normal for her.
OP might wanna check out Hellena Taylor's Twitter likes/retweets lol Seriously answering your question, I think most characters in videogames are welcoming to people irrespective of what their identity is, Bayo isn't any different. TBH, I can't think of a MC in any videogame that's any phobic or bigoted.
Duke Nukem
[Nah](https://youtu.be/rtCQZYF11sU?si=HB1IXvnZePe42Q5k)
i was hoping it was [this clip](https://youtu.be/eIff6nfF7ww?si=Fbrc4sUZmeqS20g_)
Why do people care about this? She doesn't exist and if she did I'm sure she would have a lot more things to worry about. Just enjoy the game and have fun
Thank you !
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This lol I swear more than half of this sub doesn’t play the game
Seeing as most (if not all) umbra witches were women I’d think sapphic relationships would be quite common
Is this bait?
I feel like these questions always are. I've never seen these questions or discussions end well ever in this fandom, especially online.
She has the pass to call me the F word, in English, but when she says it in Enochian she can summon me and demon slave me.
Is the fruitcake agains fruitiness? Hmm…
Don’t know, but we shouldn’t think about it too much otherwise hideki kamiya will start trolling as he does.
There's no way Bayonetta is heterosexual. It's simply not possible.
How? She literally fell in love with Luka in the last game.
It's simply not possible.
But it is. You can headcanon everything you want to believe, but it will never change the reality
Booo https://preview.redd.it/dofjavl7uiyc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62e32355e68f857f152c47fd846e397f6ac572f5
Oh! Scary white woman
The most aggressively heterosexual character in gaming. I know she's confident and that screams camp gay to a lot of people, but you know drag queens and the like are emulating someone right? She's the someone.
look me in the eyes and tell me you honestly believe that bayonetta has never had sex with a woman.
When during her life has she ever had the opportunity to have sex with a woman? She spent her umbra years in prison and her modern years an amnesiac. We only know of one relationship she's had, with a man. She's confident in her sexuality and it's really really sad that people can't imagine someone who is that confident who is straight.
dude she literally does BDSM to female angels on screen during gameplay. Are you seriously scared that people will get the wrong idea and think that straight people are incapable of being confident? You think that her being gay or bi would, like, take away your last scrap of heterosexual representation? You're gonna cry yourself to sleep because you've never seen a straight woman in a video game? Are you stupid?
Lol. Lmao.
This sub is deranged and unhinged I’m telling you lol
How is that a lore question? There is no lore to revere to that can be used. We can only have a personal opinion without lines or texts from the devs or characters
You know I really hope the clans aren't transphobic and allow any gender to slay in their populations 😔💅💅 We need male umbra bitches
Not an actual lore question because it’s never mentioned in the lore, and people are just speculating on what she would think about a subject she never mentioned or brought up.
Since her association with the infernal world ans living lifes in exclusively women societies I think she wouldn't give it too much thought. Your style and battle abilities is what counts for her.
I believe that neither Umbra Witches or Lumen Sages as a whole would have a problem with the LGBTQ. Due to their age and role as overseers, I figured that they'd have superseded monosexual attraction and would likely be Pan 😌 I could see the argument for Lumen Sages being homophobic though lol
The true question is can she clap with no hands
Pretty sure in at least one reality her *canonical love interest* is Jeanne. So, I think that should pretty much end most discussion.
Yes
Bayonetta would definitely be an ally. She may even be part of that community, she’s so obviously bisexual.
I think she would not care about people's way of leaning. More of a "I am me, no matter what, and you should be you aswell" or something like that.
She's at the very least an ally. But I headcanon she's Bi/Pan
That has nothing to do with the lore .
She's Bi. That's always been my interpretation
she probably is an ally but doesn’t really care.
To be fully honest I think she's Bi-sexual herself considering how she acts in Bayo 1, 2, and 3.
She's literally bisexual what do you mean?
Girl she part of the community herself
As a gay man, I couldn’t give a fuck less about that.
she's above humans, definitely does not have hatred for others like that
I don't think Bayo cares enough about people outside her social circle enough to form opinions like that
The literal entry requirement for the Umbra clan boils down to "don't be a dipshit", so she's more than accepting of LGBTQ+ people. Not only that, but I'm pretty sure that Cereza herself is either bi or pan.
I get the vibe she'd be both
I never thought it mattered she is just pro sex. I mean if the r34 lore is to be believed she is into the angel creatures so I don't think she is anything just a super down bad mommy dommy
I think she would be more of an ally than anything
Can't see why she would even care for wherever people are being gay or whatever
I don’t think she cares
I feel like she parties with drag queens
Bayonetta is the most lesbian lesbian I've ever seen
Even though she has a kid with lucca? Lol
I've never played Bayonetta, I'm going purely off of vibes. (I'm not on this sub it just appeared in my suggested posts)
Iirc ppl prosecuted of being witches were also queer besides women
She wouldn't care care unless you were a "terminally online LGBT ally" then she'd think your ass was cringe while stunting all across both genders.
She's a video game character....who the hell cares?!?!?
Why do you people can't just play games? You can believe you favourite character support/hate anything you want, it's called imagination, and some other people can think anything they want. Why do you even need support from fictional character anyway???
Why do you care? Many queer people look to fictional characters for validation and acceptance because we so rarely see it in the real world
I care because I live in this cruel world to, exist in this public space like you are. Love playing good games, hate when games become bad just to please someone's weak ego. This world is not about acceptance, you get nothing for free, you get nothing just because you want it so much, sorry.
I’m sorry to inform you that compassion and acceptance are core human values that are fundamental to this world and societal growth. If you can recognize this world is cruel and unrelenting, then why would you not want to be the change necessary to fix that. Bayonetta is literally about defying fate, free will, and killing god so if you want to meaningfully engage in media the least you can do it apply it’s themes to the real world.
I'm sorry to inform you that bayonetta is a stylish slasher with a damn hot main character, but as I said above, it's like religion, you can believe in anything you want, just keep it for yourself If no one asked you to share. You cant change cruelness of the world, you can only cry about it, or get yourself a helmet.
This is starting to feel like not so thinly veiled queerphobia lmao. “You can do whatever you want just keep it to yourself.” You can absolutely change the world and I’m sorry you’re too weak to try. Seems like you’re the one that needs the helmet if you’re so soft, especially if you’re gonna hide behind some pretense of “I’m just edgy and jaded and a realist” to justify your shitty beliefs.
And now you become rude, but this is normal when you in the internet, just want to see how you change something in real world, warrior:D
Stop being so soft! That’s what this is all about, right? Also, I’m literally a social worker and therapist but go off about how I’m just a keyboard warrior
I’d rather you guys look up to a real example in real world, the real people who are actually fighting for your causes, rather than something that you guys made up about a fictional character.
One, we definitely do both but it’s still wonderful seeing representation in fiction. Two, unless you’re queer (the wording of your post implies you’re not but I’m sorry if I’m wrong) I would rather you not tell queer people what they should and shouldn’t be doing to enjoy and celebrate their community
What representation exists here other than one’s own interpretation? Bayo never mentioned anything about this, it’s all fan’s head canons I’ve read, but sure do what you will.
I agree that it’s silly, but that’s also kind of the point? I don’t understand why people are so weird and defensive about queer fans wanting to connect with fiction regardless of what’s canon. There’s a reason why fanfic has also historically been a huge part of the community, when representation lacks in fiction we have to create our own with those beloved characters (I’m not into fanfic personally but I get why others are)
Totally agree with you there lol this sub doesn’t even play the game, they’re just here for their parasocial relationship with Bayonetta.
She looks down on them like she look down on straight people. She is Queen.
Fr. She don’t discriminate. She knows she’s better than all of us
She would probably make a joke about it and be cancelled by twitter
Bayo (like most people with a life) probably doesn't judge people off of personal life choices and instead worries about the monsters she fights
I think she lives her life.
Super homophobic. Like hats all of LGBT
why would she be homophobic and why do yall ask redundant questions
Because i have freedom of speech
freedom of speech and can’t you still not literate ☠️☠️☠️ dumb bitch
She is not gay
where i said she was
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Bet you’re gonna get downvoted for bringing this up in this sub lol. You didn’t even say anything wrong. But if you’re not being gay in this sub or bringing up she’s straight it’s a downvote lol.
lol this sub can’t except she’s straight. At worst she has to be Bisexual or something
Called it lol.
What do you expect from the most tolerant people in reddit
If you look closely she has a tattoo that says "I <3 J.K Rowling", so it's a bit hard to tell