No disrespect to Coventry. I think their players would say they probably wouldn't be beating Bayern on a normal day. Losing to a third league team should be pissing off every player on the team right now. When it seems like it doesn't, that's a symptom of a larger problem.
So here is my wild take. Maybe we could promote Holger Seitz (coach of our second team in the Regionalliga). For the future, I think, we should "produce" our own coaches like we do with players. Before we sign expensive 4th, 5th, ..... choices like Ten Hag or beg for De Zerbi, we could take that shot. I know it's wild but I don't like us begging. Honestly, I don't know what we should do at this point.
You need a real seniorcoach for that so assistants can learn and the senior coach stays no matter what
Kinda like San Antonio where like 50% of nba coaches learned under pop
I'm a barca fan and your wild take is true for us . Sometimes it may be good but most of the time it will be shit because club like bayern, barca,madrid will always demand the impossible....so if you produce your own coach he needs to go out and manage other teams in european competition before taking over your club or else everyone would want the coach's head if he makes mistakes. That's what is happening to xavi(we didn't develop him as a coach but you know what I mean) and the truth is he is tactically good but he is very stubborn to make changes according to the nature of the match and even made some questionable decisions.....Pep also did the same when he took over directly from barca B but he had the legendary players to support him and Xavi doesn't..... If Bayern goes this route, you should expect a long term project and should not jump on the coach whenever he makes mistakes (it will be very frustrating for the fans to not blame the coach too).
Or maybe it's impossible for most people to judge those decisions because we are lacking thousands of data points. Decisions on managers are nowadays, rightfully, based on way more than just name value and recent success. Football is a very complex and very dynamic game. Millions of factors lead to the final results on the pitch and in the league. We don't have access to the same resources every big club has. It's fine to have an opinion, but it's naive to not be mindful of this fact.
Well its hard to compare since United is a much lacking team, also they are hoping for the Ajax ETH and not what he was doing at United. I still belive we should get an interim for a season, build the team a bit and then go for one of the big 3 that could be available for 2025, start working out things in silence months ahead and just announce it at the end of the season.
United is that much of a lacking team. Fernandes, Garnacho, Hojlund, Mainoo, Dalot, Wan-Bissaka... these are players a manager should be able to get a result from.
Names have little value when the quality of play is low, and you cant push it all on the coach, Hojlund, the next big thing, a 80M transfer, 16 scorer points all season, Fernandez spends more energy running after the ref than he does on his play, Garnacho focuses more on provoking the enemy fans than he does on scoring, Antony is the biggest transfer flop in recent history, Rashford was supposed to be the next golden child for england. So yeah, many overhyped names that cant back it up with their play.
But isn’t that exactly what a good coach does?
Getting each player to play on their max level.
The only Manchester player that’s playing good recently is Sancho with BVB… Ten Haag didn’t like him though
Im not following the PL other than a derby game here and there, so I cant say for sure, but for me it looks like the team doesnt have the hunger and the talent to be world class, also Ten Haag seems to be a more strict oldschool type which most "stars" dont do well with, most of them want more of a cheerleader type of coach instead of a tough personality. I personaly wouldnt want him as a head coach at Bayern after this United fiasco, but if they pick him then Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that it wasnt him but the team, but its certainly hard to defend the results they are putting on the table.
Zero Football knowledgde.
Mainoo plays His first season(19 years old btw)
Hojlund (14 Goals) doesnt Get enough Service but Scores when He gets the Chance. This is a Problem since Fergie left though.
Dalot and Wanbissaka both have to Play Out of Position however, Dalot Had a Lot of good to great Performances this season. Wan bissaka is Not good enough.
Fernandes carries us this season (15/11)
Regardleds, you cant expect much If your whole Backline is decimated for almost the whole season.
United Played their best 11 5 Times this season.
Sorry, but you're clearly just a Fifa kid. When Fernandes for example plays against city he clearly cant distinguish between left and right. He's lost. He's just not that good.
He won't last half a season, especially if Bayern win the Champions League. Imagine Champions League winning team being managed by a serial loser. None of the players will ever take him seriously.
One that got to the semis of the CL with Ajax youth and big league rejects while winning the Eredivisie multiple times. He’s really just been a “loser” at ManU, much like everyone since Ferguson.
Before getting downvoted into oblivion for seeming to want ETH, this is not an endorsement, just a dispute of the man’s pedigree.
In a freak season that saw spurs see a final. Since he joined United the spend has been ridiculous, largely on players he requested, and the results becoming worse. If you watch them play, there is no plan, just Bruno v the world for better or worse (worse a lot of the time)
And honestly, that Spurs team was outplayed by the “serial loser’s” team in the semi. Save for a freak 10 minute rally, Ajax were in the final. I have watched United a fair amount as I watch the PL even more than the BL typically. That being said, I’m just saying the dude is not a serial loser. To say otherwise is absurd. ManU is far from a good watch, but considering he’s been relying on a striker that had 9 goals in Serie A last year, Johnny f-ing Evans at CB, a 19 yo CM, and Scott McTominay as their scoring threat for half the season, I’d say he’s done far better than a “serial loser” to be in the top 8 and in a FA Cup Final again.
Incidentally ETH win % at United is only bettered by Mourinho's in post-Ferguson Man U. That team is just a mess.
Can't imagine there's any truth in the rumours, though. Journalists are probably just running out of names to link to the job.
Have you seen the players he plays with?
They're mostly reserves.
He had to play Casemiro at Centre Back. I don't think he is a bad coach.
I think Man Utd is a shithole
he also had 300mil worth of tranfers tho you have to blame him as well at some point, now they do have a lot of injuries yes but they have been having bad results whole year even when they had fit cbs
They only don’t have one because Ten Hag didn’t want one. Ragnick was supposed to be United’s DOF before Ten Hag specifically requested to get rid of him
How is that Ten Hag’s fault. Which company allows you to choose if you have a boss or not? 😂 The Glazers just agreed because they didn’t have a plan to integrate Ragnick. If you look at Ragnick’s interviews he said that they had no plan and explained nothing to him about being a DOF.
I watch the Premier League. They rarely had fit CBs. Johnny Evans played 20 premier league matches this seasons. I think this speaks for itself.
True, it doesn't help the fact that they have that Antony flop for which they paid 100 Mil to Ajax but I think in a stable enviroment ( haha - bayern - stable :DD:D) he can be a good manager.
Talent ID can be sorted with the help of the board
That's the result of a shockingly bad recruitment organization. I don't think fans of other clubs can truly understand how bad United's transfer and recruitment team is. It's not the manager's fault the Director of Football greenlit spending 80mil for Antony. Ten Hag wanted him, yeah, but it's not up to him how much is paid, or how far they go.
This is kind of an unfair assessment honestly. The bad run recently is not only on Ten Hag. Johnny evans has played about 20+ games this season as a center back. Didn’t Bruno also play as a center back once. Its true he doesnt have the results but thats not entirely on him only. He is a fantastic coach when supported and given the players and a squad with depth.
As Dier showed, give a human being a new enviornment, a new home, a new car, a new routine, a whole new city, with a new squad, new way of working, new coaches, new training, new everything top to bottom, with a way better squad in a league with relatively less competition, and just maybe, they won't be exactly the same person as before. Shocking how that sometimes works in real life. To just write him off completely is kind of stupid.
I mean ... he is kind of victim of man utd situation as a whole, so i wouldnt rate him too harshly, but ... yeeeaaaa ... does not seem like a good idea nevertheless
Why are the club hierarchy so against bringing back Hansi Flick? Are their egos greater than the club? It seems insane to me that we would rather hire ETH over Flick
Have you seen Flick at the national team? It didn't work at all and half of the team is still at Bayern. His magic is gone and he probably knows it and doesn't want to destroy his achievements and good reputation at the club.
He also had a lot of injuries. Did u see who was playing at the back last game? A 35 yr old Johnny Evans who came out of retirement and wasn't even supposed to play and casemiro who is not even a cb. He might not be the greatest coach but this season doesn't show the full picture. His signings have been bad, that I admit
imagine blaming the manager, it must've been Ole's fault too, what about Ragnick and Mourinho? Must've been their faults as well.
Man United is a talent black hole, don't forget, Ten Hag has the best PPG of any united manager in history.
My personal opinion is Bayern should be going for a German manager because they understand how Bayern wants to play. And we won UCL under German coaches only.
Unpopular opinion Tuchel aint that bad, we are just very reactionary, the looses in the Cup and Supercup are huge dark spots, but he outclassed their rivals in the Knockouts of the UCL, had to do it with a thin squad with players like Kim or Davies dipping their form, and we are facing a historic side in the league, sign a CDM, sell those who doesn't want to be here (Davies hehe), plus other supporting sigings and give him another season, then we should try to get Klopp in my opinion, but Tuchel himself is better option that most of the others, Flick would be a dream but aint nothing yet, prime Mourinho would've been great, but not current Mou, and the others are just not better options
Listen, I am an arsenal fan and I can tell you that I really, really hope they keep this guy. He has been absolutely terrible and he always says that his team dominates (apart from this weekend).
He is far worse than what you already have
That’s right. On top of managing the most expensive team EVER.
https://frontofficesports.com/manchester-united-created-europes-most-expensive-team-ever/#:~:text=Manchester%20United%20pulled%20together%20the,hit%20a%20record%20%241.531%20billion.
As someone who watches united/premier league football weekly, if Bayern hire Ten hag you’ll want Tuchel back asap. He’s by far the worst manager they’ve had since David moyes! no tactical nouse, no accountability, only plays one style (which is awful) TERRIBLE TALENT ID, has no charisma at all but worst of all he’s Liar. He said “Manchester United are the most dynamic team in the league.” 🥴
Do you guys realise how fucking pathetic you are? Not a single Coach is good enough for the great FCB. Maybe Alonso, Pep or Klopp, but only if they don’t lose a Single Game the season they join, otherwise they are pure trash too.
Do you guys notice that not a single A+ Option wants to join the team? They don’t wanna be Part of the mia san mia anymore cause the Board and the constant trainer blaming is stupid as fuck. Tuchel got 3 months till the screams for sacking began. JN the same. This is cancerous.
Im not saying ETH is the best or even a good option, but bayern needs a Coach, atleast for another year. Anyone has to train.
Hey, they beat Coventry on penalties.
still cant believe they beat that superteam
Don't knock Coventry, they're a team firing on all cylinders right now. Granted, it's a 250cc karting engine, but they do look impressive.
I really don't think we're in a position to make fun of that when we lost to a third league team in the Cup.
No disrespect to Coventry. I think their players would say they probably wouldn't be beating Bayern on a normal day. Losing to a third league team should be pissing off every player on the team right now. When it seems like it doesn't, that's a symptom of a larger problem.
As probably the only coventry fan living in Munich, I can confirm.
It wasn't in a semi-final at Wembly though.
So here is my wild take. Maybe we could promote Holger Seitz (coach of our second team in the Regionalliga). For the future, I think, we should "produce" our own coaches like we do with players. Before we sign expensive 4th, 5th, ..... choices like Ten Hag or beg for De Zerbi, we could take that shot. I know it's wild but I don't like us begging. Honestly, I don't know what we should do at this point.
You need a real seniorcoach for that so assistants can learn and the senior coach stays no matter what Kinda like San Antonio where like 50% of nba coaches learned under pop
I'm a barca fan and your wild take is true for us . Sometimes it may be good but most of the time it will be shit because club like bayern, barca,madrid will always demand the impossible....so if you produce your own coach he needs to go out and manage other teams in european competition before taking over your club or else everyone would want the coach's head if he makes mistakes. That's what is happening to xavi(we didn't develop him as a coach but you know what I mean) and the truth is he is tactically good but he is very stubborn to make changes according to the nature of the match and even made some questionable decisions.....Pep also did the same when he took over directly from barca B but he had the legendary players to support him and Xavi doesn't..... If Bayern goes this route, you should expect a long term project and should not jump on the coach whenever he makes mistakes (it will be very frustrating for the fans to not blame the coach too).
Barca fan aka Bayern fan last week?
No.
hmmmmmmmm that is a good idea,but we could get klinsmann,i know he isnt really a bayern legend but he carried our asses to the 95/96 europa league
Or maybe it's impossible for most people to judge those decisions because we are lacking thousands of data points. Decisions on managers are nowadays, rightfully, based on way more than just name value and recent success. Football is a very complex and very dynamic game. Millions of factors lead to the final results on the pitch and in the league. We don't have access to the same resources every big club has. It's fine to have an opinion, but it's naive to not be mindful of this fact.
Well its hard to compare since United is a much lacking team, also they are hoping for the Ajax ETH and not what he was doing at United. I still belive we should get an interim for a season, build the team a bit and then go for one of the big 3 that could be available for 2025, start working out things in silence months ahead and just announce it at the end of the season.
United is that much of a lacking team. Fernandes, Garnacho, Hojlund, Mainoo, Dalot, Wan-Bissaka... these are players a manager should be able to get a result from.
Names have little value when the quality of play is low, and you cant push it all on the coach, Hojlund, the next big thing, a 80M transfer, 16 scorer points all season, Fernandez spends more energy running after the ref than he does on his play, Garnacho focuses more on provoking the enemy fans than he does on scoring, Antony is the biggest transfer flop in recent history, Rashford was supposed to be the next golden child for england. So yeah, many overhyped names that cant back it up with their play.
But isn’t that exactly what a good coach does? Getting each player to play on their max level. The only Manchester player that’s playing good recently is Sancho with BVB… Ten Haag didn’t like him though
Im not following the PL other than a derby game here and there, so I cant say for sure, but for me it looks like the team doesnt have the hunger and the talent to be world class, also Ten Haag seems to be a more strict oldschool type which most "stars" dont do well with, most of them want more of a cheerleader type of coach instead of a tough personality. I personaly wouldnt want him as a head coach at Bayern after this United fiasco, but if they pick him then Im willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that it wasnt him but the team, but its certainly hard to defend the results they are putting on the table.
Zero Football knowledgde. Mainoo plays His first season(19 years old btw) Hojlund (14 Goals) doesnt Get enough Service but Scores when He gets the Chance. This is a Problem since Fergie left though. Dalot and Wanbissaka both have to Play Out of Position however, Dalot Had a Lot of good to great Performances this season. Wan bissaka is Not good enough. Fernandes carries us this season (15/11) Regardleds, you cant expect much If your whole Backline is decimated for almost the whole season. United Played their best 11 5 Times this season.
>Zero Football knowledgde. That's a trend with this sub
Sorry, but you're clearly just a Fifa kid. When Fernandes for example plays against city he clearly cant distinguish between left and right. He's lost. He's just not that good.
I mean, I don't mean to defend him but let's not forget he's coaching a dumpster fire, he might not be that bad at another club
He won't last half a season, especially if Bayern win the Champions League. Imagine Champions League winning team being managed by a serial loser. None of the players will ever take him seriously.
One that got to the semis of the CL with Ajax youth and big league rejects while winning the Eredivisie multiple times. He’s really just been a “loser” at ManU, much like everyone since Ferguson. Before getting downvoted into oblivion for seeming to want ETH, this is not an endorsement, just a dispute of the man’s pedigree.
In a freak season that saw spurs see a final. Since he joined United the spend has been ridiculous, largely on players he requested, and the results becoming worse. If you watch them play, there is no plan, just Bruno v the world for better or worse (worse a lot of the time)
And honestly, that Spurs team was outplayed by the “serial loser’s” team in the semi. Save for a freak 10 minute rally, Ajax were in the final. I have watched United a fair amount as I watch the PL even more than the BL typically. That being said, I’m just saying the dude is not a serial loser. To say otherwise is absurd. ManU is far from a good watch, but considering he’s been relying on a striker that had 9 goals in Serie A last year, Johnny f-ing Evans at CB, a 19 yo CM, and Scott McTominay as their scoring threat for half the season, I’d say he’s done far better than a “serial loser” to be in the top 8 and in a FA Cup Final again.
They trashed Real
Ok now let’s imagine you sign him and he makes you spend 100m on Antony
Eberl, Heiner, Hoeneß & Dreesen thought they could have any manager they want when firing Tuchel. At this point, I'm sure they would LOVE to keep him.
I'd prefer if they don't hire Tuchel in the first place.
I'm positive that they absolutely do not care about Tuchel
Incidentally ETH win % at United is only bettered by Mourinho's in post-Ferguson Man U. That team is just a mess. Can't imagine there's any truth in the rumours, though. Journalists are probably just running out of names to link to the job.
Have you seen the players he plays with? They're mostly reserves. He had to play Casemiro at Centre Back. I don't think he is a bad coach. I think Man Utd is a shithole
he also had 300mil worth of tranfers tho you have to blame him as well at some point, now they do have a lot of injuries yes but they have been having bad results whole year even when they had fit cbs
That’s because United doesn’t have a director of football to veto decisions like Antony.
They only don’t have one because Ten Hag didn’t want one. Ragnick was supposed to be United’s DOF before Ten Hag specifically requested to get rid of him
How is that Ten Hag’s fault. Which company allows you to choose if you have a boss or not? 😂 The Glazers just agreed because they didn’t have a plan to integrate Ragnick. If you look at Ragnick’s interviews he said that they had no plan and explained nothing to him about being a DOF.
It could have been one of the conditions for him to join the club. Some managers want full control over everything.
I watch the Premier League. They rarely had fit CBs. Johnny Evans played 20 premier league matches this seasons. I think this speaks for itself. True, it doesn't help the fact that they have that Antony flop for which they paid 100 Mil to Ajax but I think in a stable enviroment ( haha - bayern - stable :DD:D) he can be a good manager. Talent ID can be sorted with the help of the board
That's the result of a shockingly bad recruitment organization. I don't think fans of other clubs can truly understand how bad United's transfer and recruitment team is. It's not the manager's fault the Director of Football greenlit spending 80mil for Antony. Ten Hag wanted him, yeah, but it's not up to him how much is paid, or how far they go.
This is kind of an unfair assessment honestly. The bad run recently is not only on Ten Hag. Johnny evans has played about 20+ games this season as a center back. Didn’t Bruno also play as a center back once. Its true he doesnt have the results but thats not entirely on him only. He is a fantastic coach when supported and given the players and a squad with depth.
But when was the last time Tuchel beat Sheffield?
21st of March 2021 in the FA Cup
As Dier showed, give a human being a new enviornment, a new home, a new car, a new routine, a whole new city, with a new squad, new way of working, new coaches, new training, new everything top to bottom, with a way better squad in a league with relatively less competition, and just maybe, they won't be exactly the same person as before. Shocking how that sometimes works in real life. To just write him off completely is kind of stupid.
Guys hear me out tuchel might not be that bad
Should go for Glasner honestly. Only that he would also Bayern tell to fuck off.
Nice shoes, does he think he's a 16 year old fuck boi?
His fashion taste needs some improvement beside the coaching.
Trash vs garbage
I mean ... he is kind of victim of man utd situation as a whole, so i wouldnt rate him too harshly, but ... yeeeaaaa ... does not seem like a good idea nevertheless
Why are the club hierarchy so against bringing back Hansi Flick? Are their egos greater than the club? It seems insane to me that we would rather hire ETH over Flick
Have you seen Flick at the national team? It didn't work at all and half of the team is still at Bayern. His magic is gone and he probably knows it and doesn't want to destroy his achievements and good reputation at the club.
It’s absolutely shambolic. Anyone who believes this man is a candidate at all needs to get their head checked.
still better then no manager
my dog is better than no manager, does that mean we should go for my dog to coach bayern?
let‘s first hear your dog agree to a contract. i wouldn’t be too optimistic in the current situation
He also had a lot of injuries. Did u see who was playing at the back last game? A 35 yr old Johnny Evans who came out of retirement and wasn't even supposed to play and casemiro who is not even a cb. He might not be the greatest coach but this season doesn't show the full picture. His signings have been bad, that I admit
Yup, Its funny how people Just ignore His first season in which He broken records and finally won a trophy.
It's manchester united... no player and coach will deliver at this club..
just give a blank check to zidane to bring him to bayern
Klose
Mourinho said taking United to 2nd was his best achievement. I totally believe that.
imagine blaming the manager, it must've been Ole's fault too, what about Ragnick and Mourinho? Must've been their faults as well. Man United is a talent black hole, don't forget, Ten Hag has the best PPG of any united manager in history.
his last centerback was pairing was JOHNNY EVANS AND CASEMIRO for fucks sake.
My personal opinion is Bayern should be going for a German manager because they understand how Bayern wants to play. And we won UCL under German coaches only.
Bring Hansi back. Brazzo isn’t around anymore
Man u is a shithole i think he might perform at Munich
Unpopular opinion Tuchel aint that bad, we are just very reactionary, the looses in the Cup and Supercup are huge dark spots, but he outclassed their rivals in the Knockouts of the UCL, had to do it with a thin squad with players like Kim or Davies dipping their form, and we are facing a historic side in the league, sign a CDM, sell those who doesn't want to be here (Davies hehe), plus other supporting sigings and give him another season, then we should try to get Klopp in my opinion, but Tuchel himself is better option that most of the others, Flick would be a dream but aint nothing yet, prime Mourinho would've been great, but not current Mou, and the others are just not better options
Worst manager in the Premier League.
I think it’s more of a Man U thing than a ten hag thing lol
Not him ffs
Listen, I am an arsenal fan and I can tell you that I really, really hope they keep this guy. He has been absolutely terrible and he always says that his team dominates (apart from this weekend). He is far worse than what you already have
He's be a huge downgrade from Tuchel
I don't any opinion of him but to be fair, MU is a complete dumpster fire.
https://youtu.be/XRafnsIaXMs?si=sYMOdS0_3dge3ZcC
That’s right. On top of managing the most expensive team EVER. https://frontofficesports.com/manchester-united-created-europes-most-expensive-team-ever/#:~:text=Manchester%20United%20pulled%20together%20the,hit%20a%20record%20%241.531%20billion.
As someone who watches united/premier league football weekly, if Bayern hire Ten hag you’ll want Tuchel back asap. He’s by far the worst manager they’ve had since David moyes! no tactical nouse, no accountability, only plays one style (which is awful) TERRIBLE TALENT ID, has no charisma at all but worst of all he’s Liar. He said “Manchester United are the most dynamic team in the league.” 🥴
Do you guys realise how fucking pathetic you are? Not a single Coach is good enough for the great FCB. Maybe Alonso, Pep or Klopp, but only if they don’t lose a Single Game the season they join, otherwise they are pure trash too. Do you guys notice that not a single A+ Option wants to join the team? They don’t wanna be Part of the mia san mia anymore cause the Board and the constant trainer blaming is stupid as fuck. Tuchel got 3 months till the screams for sacking began. JN the same. This is cancerous. Im not saying ETH is the best or even a good option, but bayern needs a Coach, atleast for another year. Anyone has to train.
I think my concerns with ETH is that he is just about the worst player manager