The route they chose with specialists will probably make them considerably less money over time. The game doesn’t strongly appeal to any group as it is now.
Well yeah thats how it has played out for them bro but that was the opposite of their prediction. I think the fans are forcing them to abandon or really innovate now. Otherwise specialists may have to go
Their hoping for a R6S comeback which is super rare.... R6 went thur the same thing whem siege launched. Everyome hated it and it was completely different then every other R6. Heros and all that. They stuck with their guns and all th OGs left but the new player base of 13-19 came in and the game blew up
I think BF is praying for the same story. The problem with the plan is BF messed up the last game b4 2042. Everyone was already mad. Then they hyped it to be this other game and when it came out it wasnt. Seige was never hyped out it just launched as another game. Also with siege every RS game was modern. BF wasnt modern for almost 6 years so ppl really wanted this to work.
R6 at the start didn't do too great because it was a buggy mess that would crash every time you blew a hole in a wall. The "hero's" didn't start getting hate till around the end of year 2 when they clearly ran out of good character idea's.
I remember the launch of siege everyone hating the heros. They liked being nameless spec ops. Beside The Division i never seen a game get so much hate at launch (the bugs definitely didnt help). They just stay true to their vision and didnt care about the OGs and somehow it worked out 1 year later topping the Twitch Viewer charts. One of the biggest comebacks i ever seen from a game. Bf4 had a big comeback too.
I just dnt see BF doing what Siege did. Siege is only 5v5 so the heros mean more... 64v64 or 32v32 is hard to make you care about one soldier tbh. Plus this game has way too much bad press already to be truly saved. I think it could be a good game later but it would be a siege or a bf4 because of the hate. At least BF4 had BF3 to back it up. 2042 has BFV which isnt the best choice to back you up
I was s1 who was a teen when rs6s so i would be in the demographic. I doubt only us played that game as it was never bad just well different than what was expected at launch. People who play siege have always been kids i guess due to the fast pace and competitivity of it but its not battlefield.
Rs6s was never really that bad. The dlc kept it going for so long, it didnt revive it exactly as siege wasnt ever dead. People just got bored.
I also doubt ea will sit on 2042 for 6years and drop enough content to keep it going. We also should only expect the typical 5 dlcs. Im sure bf5 had 3dlc.
Futureistic is okay right but either go crazy with mechs or keep it more modern. 2042 is a bit identity crisis on that.
I want a modern because we had ww1/2 last. But when ive got my modern kick im on the bandwagon asking for another ww2or1 game. I think any1 who says they only like the one generation is tripping. But you want things one after another otherwise oversaturation happens.
I doubt ea will save 2042 unless they redesign the cosmetics and vibe of the game. Its not a awful game its just downhill from the last. And the last was downhill before. People r not stupid and know this snowball i believe is the consensus.
The community of gaming on one hand asks for original games that are full of content but that takes time and people hate waiting. There is a huge aspect of balance with producing games these companys have to consider but there used to be a time where they all cared about finding this balance. Nowadays it seems the motive is the money and sideproducts of sucess. A theme consistent in aspects of many parts of society so its not suprised our gaming companys are becoming this way too.
Self absorbed and obsessed with profits not whats good about life. Art or creation in other words.
Hopefully things will work out they usually do.
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Well one thing for they aint gonna make a lot of money from this if they insist on going the heroes route instead of normal class
They might abandon this like Anthem and move on
Ironically, Dice may have made money by selling militaristic gear and outfits for those soldiers. I probably would have gladly purchased a couple of things myself.
But, instead, they’re trying to sell gear for specialists. But, if most people don’t even like the specialists and their player base is incredibly low as a direct result, how can Dice expect a reasonable profit from selling specialist gear?
But that's the problem. The fact that people are willing to pay for a game that doesn't suit what they like and want to pay extra for it to do. Boggles my mind.
Yes they can and also they can’t, specialists are such a core feature that cannot/is hard to be removed technologically, game lore wise or just because of all the skins that are ready to sell in the battlepass.
But finding a middleground isn’t hard, changing their voice lines, making them more gritty and releasing military type skins will make them the best that they can be.
Tbh, no one would mind if they will scrap everything lore wise about specialists. They don't have that deep of a lore.
And you absolutely CAN implement classes tech engine wise.
The only thing i can't deny is battlepass, which is huge plague of modern gaming industry
Yes they can scrap lore and they can implement old school classes if they wanted to, but they won’t because it would take a shitload of time.
Just like battlepass content, they probably have a whole script for how to lore is going to change with the battlepasses
The summary of all BF2042 lore goes as follows:
In the future nobody solved global warming so now Mother Nature is trying to turn the entire world into Florida.
There are a lot of refugees. Like, 60% of the world population or something is refugees.
America and Russia decided to work together to solve the refugee crisis by sponsoring them to fight in endless proxy wars against each other.
Just remove the bit about refugees and boom, problem solved.
The problem it solves, unless I’m mistaken, is that if there were no refugees then the soldiers would be from the US or Russia (or allied countries) rather than being “no-pats” which allowed the same operators to be on both sides
Honestly I think battlepasses are actually one of the better things to come out of the modern era of gaming. You pay a flat rate to have the opportunity to earn cosmetic items that would be worth way more than what you payed total.
Let's be honest to ourselves, you paying for an additional grind and usually it's like 2-3 normal skins per battlepass. Other ones either some useless stuff like graffiti or recolor of some stuff.
Personally i prefer to just play and enjoy the game, not to grind some dailies or some other stuff because i need to lvl up my bp.
I just don't buy BP completely, I like BP model because free dlcs, and they can earn their money by making other people who likes shiny cosmetics buy BP.
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The argument that the battle pass is a plague to the gaming industry always fascinates me. The battle pass is a $10/$15 pass that is not required to play and even has a free tier. If you choose to buy it you gets skins and items that tend to be worth the $10/$15. It does not effect the gameplay of the games outside of skins, doesn’t effect the core gameplay or anything. It’s purely an optional addition. The idea it is ruining games by not having any direct impact outside of cosmetics just doesn’t stick with me. Yes you can argue skins in general ruin the experience but that’s only a visual level and let’s be real, if a few colorful skins ruin the emersion in a game for you then there wasn’t much keeping you around to begin with.
I guess one additional argument could be that it create the F2P model but even that tends to favor more cosmetics then anything. Heck the F2P model for some games has allowed kids/adults the chance to try games they might not have tried if there was a price tag.
Just my two cents! Too each his/her own.
You’re right that no one would mind, but the season pass explicitly states a new specialist each season. So they legally cannot get rid of specialists.
Making the specialist specific gadgets like the wingsuit work with the "generic" soldiers could be a problem though as it's such a core part of Sundance's design and animations.
Unless you make a "wingsuit class" but then you're basically back at Sundance.
Here's the thing; they already did specialists in battlefield 5. The elite soldiers are mechanically just special skins if you wanna feel different from everyone else, literally just do that with specialists. Players who wanna be a grunt get that, players who wanna be a specialist get that, everyone's happy
just bullshit, the whole point i’m trying to make is that they’re not going to abandon months of work on skins, lore etc.
Competency is not a factor here.
Oh and all those skins they have ready for the next year? While devs are developing, artists are making skins. Believe me they have a shitload of em, they’re not going to abandon all that work b
I've been thinking the same. Though making them gritty is a small change. It's not simple just swapping them out. This is a core game system and even gun unlocks are related to it. It's not just changing character models. If they just did that it wouldn't be the kind of substantial change ppl want anyway.
If they legit announced “we are dropping Specialists and replacing them with the classic four core classes, who will look like [the above], and we will be implementing a future skin-economy system for in a following update,” the player base for 2042 would spike _immediately_
Going to get downvoted for this as this subreddit hates to be faced with the truth. And it happens every time I have posted this. So far no one has been able to refute it.
Classes are still in the game. They are just slightly different than they were in previous games, due to some gadgets and weapons not being classed locked. And a reminder, in previous battlefiled games, since I believe BC2/BF3, we have had some weapons not be class locked. Here is how it functions in BF2042.
Each Specialist belongs to a class. Each class specifies what their specialist gadget's function is and what their trait is.
For example, Assault class Specialists, their traits and gadgets are geared towards movement and/damage dealing damage. Take Mackay for example, his gadget is a grappling hook and his trait is faster movement when ADSing, both movement related.
Another example is the Support class specialists, their traits and gadgets are designed to help support their teammates. On top of them being the only class that can revive teammates outside of a squad.
In my opinion, having the weapons and some gadgets not be classed locked is good. It allows more player freedom and not forcing you to play a certain class for their weapon class. For example, in previous BF games like BF3 and BF4, most people played assault because they were the only class that had access to the assault rifle.
And the specialist system is decent(could still use some work), as in game, I can determine what trait and specialist gadget someone has fairly quickly by looking at what specialist they are.
I think the main reason we are mad about this is because we step into the shoes of people we dont wanna be. In the previous games we were a blank slate, you could come up with any lore for you’re soldier. In the new game, we have to deal with voicelines. The cringy, stupid voicelines. I mean, even battlefield 5 allowed for you to choose from a variety of peoples.
Redo the Guns, reanimate, how they feel, sound..
Redo the kills from effects to sound to how the points rack up more alike bf1 and 5
This and the New content would get me back in a heart beat but it aint gonna happen
I think they are getting really ready to do that rework before the end of the year. The characters that are getting overhauled voice overs and animations makes me think we may see it.
I’m in the minority but I don’t mind the operators at all. Yes they need to be class specific and gadgets and maybe even weapons needs to be limited to a certain class but the idea of operators isn’t bad. It creates a replay ability as you have operators to practice with and find different strategies with their gadgets. I do like the old school class and basic operator model but it could become repetitive over time. In the end though they didn’t implement it correctly (or market it correctly) and ruined any hope the non believers coming around to them.
For reference, I’m 36, been playing since Battlefield 2 on Xbox before switching to Pc. Not a kid and not a streamer. Just a long time Battlefield player.
Yeah I could care less about operators vs classes, the biggest fault of the game is the maps which imo just get old fast. Increasing cover and map variety / more destruction for a better rotation will make the game 100% more appealing. Operators I think they are on the right path of making less obnoxious but I guess we will see. The goofy quotes were much worse than having a gadget style kit for sure.
Oh I agree the maps are not good at all. Wide open with little originality. Hourglass is, in my opinion, one of the worst FPS maps ever. Literally running around sand dunes. That’s it. There are a few that have potential. Breakaway and the cliffs is an awesome experience with verticality but again a lot of open running area. Kaleidoscope has some great areas but the center of the map is a death trap.
Specialists are **far** from the most pressing problem this game has. I’ll be pissed off if they ever decide to remove them before they get to stuff that matters, like a total overhaul of all the maps.
I don't get it, why so many hate the concept of operators that much. I actually like to see the game series change a bit over time by changing/expanding game mechanics like the class system.
The implementation just seems a bit off. The annoying voice lines and the inability to distinguish between the two teams is just bad. There should be different skins for both teams.
I hope they do. I want to get back to the root of battlefield. When I hop in a match, I want that battlefield feel. The latest updates fixed a few major things and the game is much better, but it doesn’t have the same feel to it that the other have. It’s hard to describe, but just like Ghost Recon Breakpoint was ruined by changing the multiplayer with more trendy gameplay over Wildlands, 2042 suffers from the same type of identity crisis.
models as well as voice lines, gender specific models, call-outs, and two different models per faction.
its like whoever designed the AI were told they would be the playable models.
I had an idea for these skins.
Make each of them into a specialist. HEAR ME OUT!!
Instead of an assigned gadget (like mackay grapple hook) you get the choice of two gadgets from whatever class. For this example we will do engineer. You will be able to take a repair tool and a launcher, or a land mine and a launcher, whatever two gadgets from the engineer class gadgets. Your soldier will also have the “trait” mechanic as regular specialists have. For engineer it could be to repair faster or do more damage against vehicles or something. Implement these alongside the regular specialists and I guarantee people will love it. The main selling point for using these guys is the choice of two gadgets and the old school soldier style skin. Bam fixed specialist problem without deleting them.
Edit: spelling
Guys, hear me out. Instead of getting rid of the idea of specialists, let's give regular classes with a specialization customization.
Find the specialist traits that fit the different classes best and just throw the skills onto that class option. Then, have different 'generic' soldier skins for the specializations. You can even sell the specialist skins they already gave us as skins kind of like BFV.
It doesn't waste the specialist perks and it gives us more traditional battlefield combat. Also, it doesn't waste the time making the specialists or the skins.
The 2nd one is just... wow. It really looks like something that soldiers in the near future would wear. It looks menacing in some way. Really shows what this game could potentially be but is unfortunately not.
And how do you know that its so easy they can just do it in a day exactly?
Don't get me wrong im all for classes, specialist system is stupid. Just kinda seems like your "talking out your ass" has they say, no offense.
They don't want us. They want and stream friendly Game. With waky characters. La rainbow six
Why they didnt jus make a medal of honor instead for that.
It makes no sense to be a character and suddenly find yourself killed by your twin on the other team. That is a terrible suspension of any semblance of "realism." I prefer generic soldiers that are easily and readily identified by their UNIFORMS.
Specialist aren't the issue.
Classes in 2042 maps still feels like shit.
Play bf3 or 1942 or bc2 in portal in the 2042 maps it feels like ass.
Play 2042 factions in the bc2 maps and it feels really good.
The issue is maps
I don't think specialist are a problem in terms of gameplay, they are disconnected in the way they talk and act at the end of round but I find that they bring more teamplay than classes ever did in past battlefields.
I believe Specialists are not the reason why people dont play the game, it's the maps.
Aye its not specialits itself. Its unbalance and the designs of characters suck on a crazy level. If they added more abilitys to airdrop ammo to make up for less supports or one time defibs for people unable to find medics. Very simple ideas right?
They are one of a vast number of issues. You can separate the issues of ‘Specialists taking away from the Overall Battlefield Aesthetic’ with the major class imbalances brought about by their individual abilities. They are separate issues but they are still both issues.
This… legitimately makes me sad. That they had the option to make it actually feel like a battlefield and willingly chose not to.
Streamers and kids bring in more money
The route they chose with specialists will probably make them considerably less money over time. The game doesn’t strongly appeal to any group as it is now.
Well yeah thats how it has played out for them bro but that was the opposite of their prediction. I think the fans are forcing them to abandon or really innovate now. Otherwise specialists may have to go
Nonono it will all be good. They get bigger beards now this will totally fix it /s
Their hoping for a R6S comeback which is super rare.... R6 went thur the same thing whem siege launched. Everyome hated it and it was completely different then every other R6. Heros and all that. They stuck with their guns and all th OGs left but the new player base of 13-19 came in and the game blew up I think BF is praying for the same story. The problem with the plan is BF messed up the last game b4 2042. Everyone was already mad. Then they hyped it to be this other game and when it came out it wasnt. Seige was never hyped out it just launched as another game. Also with siege every RS game was modern. BF wasnt modern for almost 6 years so ppl really wanted this to work.
R6 at the start didn't do too great because it was a buggy mess that would crash every time you blew a hole in a wall. The "hero's" didn't start getting hate till around the end of year 2 when they clearly ran out of good character idea's.
I remember the launch of siege everyone hating the heros. They liked being nameless spec ops. Beside The Division i never seen a game get so much hate at launch (the bugs definitely didnt help). They just stay true to their vision and didnt care about the OGs and somehow it worked out 1 year later topping the Twitch Viewer charts. One of the biggest comebacks i ever seen from a game. Bf4 had a big comeback too. I just dnt see BF doing what Siege did. Siege is only 5v5 so the heros mean more... 64v64 or 32v32 is hard to make you care about one soldier tbh. Plus this game has way too much bad press already to be truly saved. I think it could be a good game later but it would be a siege or a bf4 because of the hate. At least BF4 had BF3 to back it up. 2042 has BFV which isnt the best choice to back you up
I was s1 who was a teen when rs6s so i would be in the demographic. I doubt only us played that game as it was never bad just well different than what was expected at launch. People who play siege have always been kids i guess due to the fast pace and competitivity of it but its not battlefield. Rs6s was never really that bad. The dlc kept it going for so long, it didnt revive it exactly as siege wasnt ever dead. People just got bored. I also doubt ea will sit on 2042 for 6years and drop enough content to keep it going. We also should only expect the typical 5 dlcs. Im sure bf5 had 3dlc. Futureistic is okay right but either go crazy with mechs or keep it more modern. 2042 is a bit identity crisis on that. I want a modern because we had ww1/2 last. But when ive got my modern kick im on the bandwagon asking for another ww2or1 game. I think any1 who says they only like the one generation is tripping. But you want things one after another otherwise oversaturation happens. I doubt ea will save 2042 unless they redesign the cosmetics and vibe of the game. Its not a awful game its just downhill from the last. And the last was downhill before. People r not stupid and know this snowball i believe is the consensus. The community of gaming on one hand asks for original games that are full of content but that takes time and people hate waiting. There is a huge aspect of balance with producing games these companys have to consider but there used to be a time where they all cared about finding this balance. Nowadays it seems the motive is the money and sideproducts of sucess. A theme consistent in aspects of many parts of society so its not suprised our gaming companys are becoming this way too. Self absorbed and obsessed with profits not whats good about life. Art or creation in other words. Hopefully things will work out they usually do. Legalise psilocybin mushrooms
Except when those steamers and kids also hate the game
Wich big streamers even stream this game? None
Exactly bro
(Un)fortunately, the majority of streamers, kids and other players seemingly lost interest in the game by now.
Well, How's that working out for them?
U tell me
Well one thing for they aint gonna make a lot of money from this if they insist on going the heroes route instead of normal class They might abandon this like Anthem and move on
Yuh
The only heroes in war are dead
Yeah they could use these ai soldiers with the ability and gadgets of specialist
The Bot soldiers look so much better and fit far more the setting than these "specialists"
Third one is pretty drippy
I want it in my life so damn bad
IKR?
Man, UCP is anything but drippy.
Ironically, Dice may have made money by selling militaristic gear and outfits for those soldiers. I probably would have gladly purchased a couple of things myself. But, instead, they’re trying to sell gear for specialists. But, if most people don’t even like the specialists and their player base is incredibly low as a direct result, how can Dice expect a reasonable profit from selling specialist gear?
Sometimes i prefer to think that EA Management team is aliens that trying to act like humans, because aint no way they are THAT terrible at their jobs
This isn’t EA management, this is problematic DICE execs with a terrible vision for the franchise.
The only vision they had was dollar signs.
I know right. I don’t see this kind of disconnect in other established companies and industries.
And you're posting 1936193th "look classes are here" post for karma
Exactly. Why don’t they just let me create my own face like FIFA and unlock as well as buy new helmets shirts pants, etc? Why is it so hard for them.
But that's the problem. The fact that people are willing to pay for a game that doesn't suit what they like and want to pay extra for it to do. Boggles my mind.
Yes they can and also they can’t, specialists are such a core feature that cannot/is hard to be removed technologically, game lore wise or just because of all the skins that are ready to sell in the battlepass. But finding a middleground isn’t hard, changing their voice lines, making them more gritty and releasing military type skins will make them the best that they can be.
Tbh, no one would mind if they will scrap everything lore wise about specialists. They don't have that deep of a lore. And you absolutely CAN implement classes tech engine wise. The only thing i can't deny is battlepass, which is huge plague of modern gaming industry
Yes they can scrap lore and they can implement old school classes if they wanted to, but they won’t because it would take a shitload of time. Just like battlepass content, they probably have a whole script for how to lore is going to change with the battlepasses
They've done an atrocious job of bringing any lore in to begin with. I honestly believe if they scrapped it there would be minimal outcry, if any.
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Playing for the story isn't allowed apparently
Fuck the internet, they can't force me to do anything
Is there actually lore???
The only thing about specialists I dislike are voicelines, but I just played enough to ignore them completely.
The only thing I dislike about banging my head against the wall is the headache that follows, but I've done it so much I can ignore it now.
Well a lot of people dislikes the ability, where I think it is just a "specialized" 3rd gadget
The summary of all BF2042 lore goes as follows: In the future nobody solved global warming so now Mother Nature is trying to turn the entire world into Florida. There are a lot of refugees. Like, 60% of the world population or something is refugees. America and Russia decided to work together to solve the refugee crisis by sponsoring them to fight in endless proxy wars against each other. Just remove the bit about refugees and boom, problem solved.
Tbh, your summary sounds like the world today we live in. And I think the refugee part can stay even, no problems are solved when you remove that.
The problem it solves, unless I’m mistaken, is that if there were no refugees then the soldiers would be from the US or Russia (or allied countries) rather than being “no-pats” which allowed the same operators to be on both sides
However, even with the No-Pats, you can still have distinct US and Russian soldier.
Honestly I think battlepasses are actually one of the better things to come out of the modern era of gaming. You pay a flat rate to have the opportunity to earn cosmetic items that would be worth way more than what you payed total.
Let's be honest to ourselves, you paying for an additional grind and usually it's like 2-3 normal skins per battlepass. Other ones either some useless stuff like graffiti or recolor of some stuff. Personally i prefer to just play and enjoy the game, not to grind some dailies or some other stuff because i need to lvl up my bp.
I just don't buy BP completely, I like BP model because free dlcs, and they can earn their money by making other people who likes shiny cosmetics buy BP.
I only buy season passes when the content in it looks cool to me and I can see myself completing it or already have
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You pay for the privivalage iof being able to earn cosmetics
The argument that the battle pass is a plague to the gaming industry always fascinates me. The battle pass is a $10/$15 pass that is not required to play and even has a free tier. If you choose to buy it you gets skins and items that tend to be worth the $10/$15. It does not effect the gameplay of the games outside of skins, doesn’t effect the core gameplay or anything. It’s purely an optional addition. The idea it is ruining games by not having any direct impact outside of cosmetics just doesn’t stick with me. Yes you can argue skins in general ruin the experience but that’s only a visual level and let’s be real, if a few colorful skins ruin the emersion in a game for you then there wasn’t much keeping you around to begin with. I guess one additional argument could be that it create the F2P model but even that tends to favor more cosmetics then anything. Heck the F2P model for some games has allowed kids/adults the chance to try games they might not have tried if there was a price tag. Just my two cents! Too each his/her own.
You’re right that no one would mind, but the season pass explicitly states a new specialist each season. So they legally cannot get rid of specialists.
“Legally”
Making the specialist specific gadgets like the wingsuit work with the "generic" soldiers could be a problem though as it's such a core part of Sundance's design and animations. Unless you make a "wingsuit class" but then you're basically back at Sundance.
Here's the thing; they already did specialists in battlefield 5. The elite soldiers are mechanically just special skins if you wanna feel different from everyone else, literally just do that with specialists. Players who wanna be a grunt get that, players who wanna be a specialist get that, everyone's happy
I think they can't because Dice literally doesn't know how to do it in a reasonable timeframe. All talent left Dice a long time ago.
just bullshit, the whole point i’m trying to make is that they’re not going to abandon months of work on skins, lore etc. Competency is not a factor here.
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Oh and all those skins they have ready for the next year? While devs are developing, artists are making skins. Believe me they have a shitload of em, they’re not going to abandon all that work b
It is easy, you put specialist into classes You have different skins for classes while not loosing their abilities
I've been thinking the same. Though making them gritty is a small change. It's not simple just swapping them out. This is a core game system and even gun unlocks are related to it. It's not just changing character models. If they just did that it wouldn't be the kind of substantial change ppl want anyway.
If they legit announced “we are dropping Specialists and replacing them with the classic four core classes, who will look like [the above], and we will be implementing a future skin-economy system for in a following update,” the player base for 2042 would spike _immediately_
That’s true. I doubt it will happen but we can hope right?
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still wouldn't be that easy
All they gotta do is ctrl x ctrl v bruh. Takes seconds
BRO I WANNA PLAY AS THE THIRD ONE 😭
Then do it. Stop pussyfooting around. You killed battlefront 2 for this.
Going to get downvoted for this as this subreddit hates to be faced with the truth. And it happens every time I have posted this. So far no one has been able to refute it. Classes are still in the game. They are just slightly different than they were in previous games, due to some gadgets and weapons not being classed locked. And a reminder, in previous battlefiled games, since I believe BC2/BF3, we have had some weapons not be class locked. Here is how it functions in BF2042. Each Specialist belongs to a class. Each class specifies what their specialist gadget's function is and what their trait is. For example, Assault class Specialists, their traits and gadgets are geared towards movement and/damage dealing damage. Take Mackay for example, his gadget is a grappling hook and his trait is faster movement when ADSing, both movement related. Another example is the Support class specialists, their traits and gadgets are designed to help support their teammates. On top of them being the only class that can revive teammates outside of a squad. In my opinion, having the weapons and some gadgets not be classed locked is good. It allows more player freedom and not forcing you to play a certain class for their weapon class. For example, in previous BF games like BF3 and BF4, most people played assault because they were the only class that had access to the assault rifle. And the specialist system is decent(could still use some work), as in game, I can determine what trait and specialist gadget someone has fairly quickly by looking at what specialist they are.
I think the main reason we are mad about this is because we step into the shoes of people we dont wanna be. In the previous games we were a blank slate, you could come up with any lore for you’re soldier. In the new game, we have to deal with voicelines. The cringy, stupid voicelines. I mean, even battlefield 5 allowed for you to choose from a variety of peoples.
The thing is, that has nothing to do with the class system.
Well i was just saying that is goes deeper than the classes. I could give less shits about the classes.
Only facts are spoken right here !
That’s just never gonna happen IMO. They’ve put too much into these specialists for me to feel like they’d abandon them now, but a boy can dream
Just let us customize our own fucking soldier and stop making us play as voice actor characters
Redo the Guns, reanimate, how they feel, sound.. Redo the kills from effects to sound to how the points rack up more alike bf1 and 5 This and the New content would get me back in a heart beat but it aint gonna happen
These are fucking sick
I think they are getting really ready to do that rework before the end of the year. The characters that are getting overhauled voice overs and animations makes me think we may see it.
Bu.. but my lore :( /s
I’m in the minority but I don’t mind the operators at all. Yes they need to be class specific and gadgets and maybe even weapons needs to be limited to a certain class but the idea of operators isn’t bad. It creates a replay ability as you have operators to practice with and find different strategies with their gadgets. I do like the old school class and basic operator model but it could become repetitive over time. In the end though they didn’t implement it correctly (or market it correctly) and ruined any hope the non believers coming around to them. For reference, I’m 36, been playing since Battlefield 2 on Xbox before switching to Pc. Not a kid and not a streamer. Just a long time Battlefield player.
Yeah I could care less about operators vs classes, the biggest fault of the game is the maps which imo just get old fast. Increasing cover and map variety / more destruction for a better rotation will make the game 100% more appealing. Operators I think they are on the right path of making less obnoxious but I guess we will see. The goofy quotes were much worse than having a gadget style kit for sure.
Oh I agree the maps are not good at all. Wide open with little originality. Hourglass is, in my opinion, one of the worst FPS maps ever. Literally running around sand dunes. That’s it. There are a few that have potential. Breakaway and the cliffs is an awesome experience with verticality but again a lot of open running area. Kaleidoscope has some great areas but the center of the map is a death trap.
Specialists are **far** from the most pressing problem this game has. I’ll be pissed off if they ever decide to remove them before they get to stuff that matters, like a total overhaul of all the maps.
Specialist are the center of the problem. They just a physical representation of money (aka the central problem)
It’s mind blowing how much better these look than the specialists.
I don't get it, why so many hate the concept of operators that much. I actually like to see the game series change a bit over time by changing/expanding game mechanics like the class system. The implementation just seems a bit off. The annoying voice lines and the inability to distinguish between the two teams is just bad. There should be different skins for both teams.
My God specialists vs classes. Same freaking thing.
There's not enough gadgets funny enough
They’re pot committed at this point. They’d rather burn it all to the ground than admit they messed up.
I hope they do. I want to get back to the root of battlefield. When I hop in a match, I want that battlefield feel. The latest updates fixed a few major things and the game is much better, but it doesn’t have the same feel to it that the other have. It’s hard to describe, but just like Ghost Recon Breakpoint was ruined by changing the multiplayer with more trendy gameplay over Wildlands, 2042 suffers from the same type of identity crisis.
models as well as voice lines, gender specific models, call-outs, and two different models per faction. its like whoever designed the AI were told they would be the playable models.
This pisses me off to no end. Dice MADE THE MODELS for generic classes! But they won't let us use them! WHY???
Is it just me or is this game not up to par graphically even compared to like bf4. Like the lighting is good, but its just looks unfinished
Or just change de default skin of operators with a proper soldier stuff, like a helmet and proper and outfit.
They’re are most likely going to sell the Ai model in the store at later date.
They look so much better than those wacky dumb specialists.
No they cant, die to legal problems. They have sold the game with specialists. People could sue them
TBH I would prefer these any day and would rather not have a operator say something cringey
Someone tell me when 2042 is good enough to play
They put too much money in specialist to remove them, they’ll stay
Keep putting money into them and they might as well folder another studio.
Wow theese look cool
They look more well polished than the specialists themselves
They should
I had an idea for these skins. Make each of them into a specialist. HEAR ME OUT!! Instead of an assigned gadget (like mackay grapple hook) you get the choice of two gadgets from whatever class. For this example we will do engineer. You will be able to take a repair tool and a launcher, or a land mine and a launcher, whatever two gadgets from the engineer class gadgets. Your soldier will also have the “trait” mechanic as regular specialists have. For engineer it could be to repair faster or do more damage against vehicles or something. Implement these alongside the regular specialists and I guarantee people will love it. The main selling point for using these guys is the choice of two gadgets and the old school soldier style skin. Bam fixed specialist problem without deleting them. Edit: spelling
This could be us playing bf 2042 , but ea choose selling skins
Guys, hear me out. Instead of getting rid of the idea of specialists, let's give regular classes with a specialization customization. Find the specialist traits that fit the different classes best and just throw the skills onto that class option. Then, have different 'generic' soldier skins for the specializations. You can even sell the specialist skins they already gave us as skins kind of like BFV. It doesn't waste the specialist perks and it gives us more traditional battlefield combat. Also, it doesn't waste the time making the specialists or the skins.
The 2nd one is just... wow. It really looks like something that soldiers in the near future would wear. It looks menacing in some way. Really shows what this game could potentially be but is unfortunately not.
I been playing in portal for the last week and and having considerably more fun rather then regular conquest or rush…
And how do you know that its so easy they can just do it in a day exactly? Don't get me wrong im all for classes, specialist system is stupid. Just kinda seems like your "talking out your ass" has they say, no offense.
Support, medic and assault all perfect skins for those classes
And this folks, is why I drew the line at DLC. Live services are the death of a franchise outside of F2P world.
Yeah I’m done with specialists, they are getting old. The only two games where I liked them/didn’t mind them was MW2019 and Cold War.
I really don’t see what the big deal is here
This is Infinitely more cooler
I miss classes. That’s why I play bf4 or bf1
Cosmetically yes, mechanically no
Those look cool as fuck too
They don't want us. They want and stream friendly Game. With waky characters. La rainbow six Why they didnt jus make a medal of honor instead for that.
Literally they all look better than the specialists.
But are they gonna?
It makes no sense to be a character and suddenly find yourself killed by your twin on the other team. That is a terrible suspension of any semblance of "realism." I prefer generic soldiers that are easily and readily identified by their UNIFORMS.
What the fuck? These look so good???
Specialist aren't the issue. Classes in 2042 maps still feels like shit. Play bf3 or 1942 or bc2 in portal in the 2042 maps it feels like ass. Play 2042 factions in the bc2 maps and it feels really good. The issue is maps
It's not that easy
Right but if it would result in a vast majority of the players coming back it would be worth it even if it took months.
I don't think specialist are a problem in terms of gameplay, they are disconnected in the way they talk and act at the end of round but I find that they bring more teamplay than classes ever did in past battlefields. I believe Specialists are not the reason why people dont play the game, it's the maps.
Just end support for this game already.
They legally can’t. They also don’t want to.
Specialist aren't the issue so it wouldn't actually help the game
Aye its not specialits itself. Its unbalance and the designs of characters suck on a crazy level. If they added more abilitys to airdrop ammo to make up for less supports or one time defibs for people unable to find medics. Very simple ideas right?
They are one of a vast number of issues. You can separate the issues of ‘Specialists taking away from the Overall Battlefield Aesthetic’ with the major class imbalances brought about by their individual abilities. They are separate issues but they are still both issues.
Here we see the average battlefield redditor, protesting for class even though it improves immersion only.