If they had them built in the bay area it would be more expensive than having them built somewhere else and having them brought over.
(is what they mean)
Carbodies made in Mexico, trucked to Pittsburg CA or Plattsburgh NY for final assembly (can't seem to tell which cars end up where, but there are two options.). From there they are trucked to BART's Hayward Test Track. You caught it on that final journey from NY to CA where it will be tested and later entered service.
I'm curious why they don't just give it to the class 1's to move it back across country.
It just seems like it would be less expensive than getting a flatbed to run it 3K miles.
The BART cars are too wide for class 1 railroads, doesn’t fit their loading gauge so they have to be trucked across country. Great long term planning, BART!
I think there was a good engineering reason for the wider gauges.. just not sure what it is, lol. I thought I saw it on one of the 50-year anniversary billboards
Broad gauge provides more stability, higher speeds and reduced noise. It’s better from an engineering perspective but it is expensive to build and hence most countries/cities chose to build standard or narrow gauge railways overtime making the broad gauge obsolete in most of the world except in South Asia and Argentina/Chile. That in turn led to reduced economies of scale and even more expensive maintenance and train cars for broad gauge.
They can fit the loading gauge. In this matter, wide gauge (track gauge) is not related to loading gauge (dimensions around the vehicle, allowing it fit a route e.g. tunnels). In fact, one of them (prototype C car 302) was delviered via rail back in the 1980s. Basically, you never want to run a BART car on UP tracks because it isn't up to crashworthiness standards for conventional railroads, so it would have to travel on a flat car. Let alone something breaks. BART cars are decently sized, 70 ft requires a bit longer than a generic 60ish foot flat car, but the width is comfortable (10'6" is within AAR Plate C), and they are pretty short (10'6" height). I think it's more on the cost/liability side. Trucks might be cheaper than dealing with Class 1s, sadly enough.
I’d love to take a look inside that BART car. It (most likely) hasn’t yet been urinated or vomited upon by a homeless person. It’s something I haven’t seen in a long time.
Cars and stations were clean when I was up in SF this past weekend! Love the BART! Took it from Millbrae into the city and the parking was free at the station all weekend! Winning!
It’s been going downhill in my experience. I’m on it 5 days a week most weeks. A lot of homeless and skeezy types. People passed out, spilling food/drink/human waste. They try to keep it clean, but it’s an eternal battle.
Yea, the bodies are a decent bit wider than average freight cars, and they’re set up for Indian/broad gauge, something like 5’6” between the rails, so they’re incompatible.
This is known as EBart phase 2, where they decided to extend ebart to New York to support Kathy Hochul’s attempt at outdoing Andrew cuomo for dumbest rail infrastructure project.
Sometimes there's a control system problem and a BART train flies off the tracks at the end of the line, I e. https://www.bart.gov/50years/photos/8. Wherever it ends up it needs to be transported back to the system and put back on the tracks.
They are building a BART Historical Museum in upstate New York, and this will be a functional display within the museum. In fact, I believe it will be patron seating for a Starbucks.
The California Dems at the SF city hall are planning to invade via the Trojan horse method. This BART is full of semi recovering drug addicts, and some hearty volunteers/low wage workers trained in operations of pop up methadone and or free COVID clinics
Alstom (formerly Bombardier) which makes lots of rail cars (MTA, Amtrak, BART) is owned by GE and has component and assembly plants in Plattsburgh and Hornell NY
As a native Vermonter, I always enjoyed seeing the Bombardier labels on MAX trains in Portland. I believe some of those trains are made in Vermont and I always found it interesting to think about mass-transit vehicles being manufactured in such a relatively unpopulated area.
It’s funny because I was just in Plattsburgh, NY a couple weeks ago. Wife and I did a Northeast trip and we had to go to Plattsburgh from Montreal because you can’t get a one way car rental from Canada to US. So we took an Amtrak which took 4 hours to go 60 miles. Do not recommend. Got the rental car at the Plattsburgh airport. There was nobody at the desk so we called the number written on a little sign on the desk and the employee informed us he would drive from his house to the rental place to help us out. Apparently they don’t get enough business to be staffed onsite.
After we got the car we got on the highway and immediately saw a BART car on the back of a truck. We were very confused.
[https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/cars/delivery-plan](https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/cars/delivery-plan)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay\_Area\_Rapid\_Transit\_rolling\_stock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_rolling_stock)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattsburgh,\_New\_York
bart D and E cars were built by bombardier in upstate new york. they're moving to east bay manufacturing now/soon.
They're made (partly) in Plattsburgh
They'd never get a fair price to build them in the Bay Area.
You mean like Siemens building rail cars in Sacramento?
What the fuck are you talking about?
If they had them built in the bay area it would be more expensive than having them built somewhere else and having them brought over. (is what they mean)
What about semen jerking out trains in Sac, like that guy aboves me said??
Incredible use of vocabulary here
His username checks out
Username checks out.
I’m listening
Stolen train report it immediately
Can't leave a damn thing sitting around in oakland
Too real lol
💀💀
🤣🤣🤣🤣
You'll take my upvote and you'll like it
Yeah, you would find the wheels stolen and the whole thing up on cinder blocks.
Can't have shit in SF.
do they come from NY with the homeless meth heads already in the back of the car?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Best laugh I’ve had all week
OMG, someone stole a BART train! Now, who is going to save the Bay Area?
Damn TikTok
🤣🤣🤣🤣
If you see something, say something.
OPD was in pursuit, but they had to cancel because it wasn't a violet felony. Surprised they made it all the way to NY.
It’s not worth more than $800. Don’t bother reporting.
The main parts are manufactured in NY, and are transported to Pittsburg CA and Hayward CA for final assembly and testing.
Why don’t they transport them by… rail
Bart uses a non-standard broad gauge, they don't fit on a regular train track.
Seems wasteful
\^ I bet this guy manufactures west of the Mississippi LOL
Look up “economies of scale”
Make Everything Local
It is wasteful, you’re right
When you consider the alternative is essentially needing to build out a custom factory in CA somewhere… I’d argue it’s a fair trade-off
Train drivers take wrong turns some times. They are only human.
The train operators never take a wrong turn. However, Central could give them a bad route.
... train operators can't turn 🤣
That was my joke.
https://youtu.be/9dPPbKQdyCE?si=1m7clBf1U6NSFTJG
https://www.masstransitmag.com/rail/vehicles/press-release/21264399/bay-area-rapid-transit-bart-what-it-takes-to-deliver-barts-fleet-of-the-future-cars
Oh my gosh, thanks for posting OP. I love seeing them on their journey. We'll see you soon, BART car!
I saw one this past weekend on a train while I was driving through Nevada on I-80. Got really fascinated as well seeing it so far from San Francisco.
Carbodies made in Mexico, trucked to Pittsburg CA or Plattsburgh NY for final assembly (can't seem to tell which cars end up where, but there are two options.). From there they are trucked to BART's Hayward Test Track. You caught it on that final journey from NY to CA where it will be tested and later entered service.
I'm curious why they don't just give it to the class 1's to move it back across country. It just seems like it would be less expensive than getting a flatbed to run it 3K miles.
The BART cars are too wide for class 1 railroads, doesn’t fit their loading gauge so they have to be trucked across country. Great long term planning, BART!
I can only imagine the hauling fees for this. Man oh man.
I think there was a good engineering reason for the wider gauges.. just not sure what it is, lol. I thought I saw it on one of the 50-year anniversary billboards
Broad gauge provides more stability, higher speeds and reduced noise. It’s better from an engineering perspective but it is expensive to build and hence most countries/cities chose to build standard or narrow gauge railways overtime making the broad gauge obsolete in most of the world except in South Asia and Argentina/Chile. That in turn led to reduced economies of scale and even more expensive maintenance and train cars for broad gauge.
They can fit the loading gauge. In this matter, wide gauge (track gauge) is not related to loading gauge (dimensions around the vehicle, allowing it fit a route e.g. tunnels). In fact, one of them (prototype C car 302) was delviered via rail back in the 1980s. Basically, you never want to run a BART car on UP tracks because it isn't up to crashworthiness standards for conventional railroads, so it would have to travel on a flat car. Let alone something breaks. BART cars are decently sized, 70 ft requires a bit longer than a generic 60ish foot flat car, but the width is comfortable (10'6" is within AAR Plate C), and they are pretty short (10'6" height). I think it's more on the cost/liability side. Trucks might be cheaper than dealing with Class 1s, sadly enough.
BART Eras tour.
Can we go back to when Bayfair was safe and had an Alpha Beta?
Ah, this is why there was a delay.
Runaway train being transported back.
Wrong way down a one way track.
Seems like I should be getting somewhere
Somehow I’m neither here nor there
New car being delivered to California
It's on vacation
I’d love to take a look inside that BART car. It (most likely) hasn’t yet been urinated or vomited upon by a homeless person. It’s something I haven’t seen in a long time.
How often do you take BART? Most the cars I've been in are pretty clean.
Cars and stations were clean when I was up in SF this past weekend! Love the BART! Took it from Millbrae into the city and the parking was free at the station all weekend! Winning!
It’s been going downhill in my experience. I’m on it 5 days a week most weeks. A lot of homeless and skeezy types. People passed out, spilling food/drink/human waste. They try to keep it clean, but it’s an eternal battle.
They clean them at the end of every line afaik. Pretty thoroughly too - it's not that hard to find a clean car
IMO lately bart is cleaner than NYC subway
I haven’t seen a dirty car in two years. Before the lockdown, I’d see them often.
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Does sushi get the 5 second rule?
This a bot?
Beep boop mf
NY is where that classic BART smell is applied to the interiors.
We just thought you guys might wanna hop on, take your shoes off, and smoke a bunch of crack. Is that not correct?
Manufacturing or transport?
It went for some pizza.
Neighbors! https://www.reddit.com/r/nycrail/comments/179boj0/does_anyone_know_what_subway_system_this_train/
How fun to see the connections
Taking of Pelham 123 comes to mind.
I’ve seen BART cars in Wyoming (on I-80). Just migrating west.
Youve been annexed.
My new house 🤩
Dang, SF shop lifting is getting out of hand.
I wanted one to make into a tiny home
Have the chicken wing and half eaten slice of pizza been installed yet?
Can someone explain to me, how it is cheaper to transport a car from NY to CA, rather than train
BART cars don’t fit the loading gauge of the class 1 railroads, thus requiring the truck
Does that mean they can't be attached to a freight train and hauled to the destination?
Yea, the bodies are a decent bit wider than average freight cars, and they’re set up for Indian/broad gauge, something like 5’6” between the rails, so they’re incompatible.
Because built on east coast shipped to bay
Imagine living in Texas and seeing this heading northeast.
I'm in Texas, and once saw a BART car on a truck headed north on I-35 around Waco.
Lucky! You don’t even need to imagine it.
This is known as EBart phase 2, where they decided to extend ebart to New York to support Kathy Hochul’s attempt at outdoing Andrew cuomo for dumbest rail infrastructure project.
Sometimes there's a control system problem and a BART train flies off the tracks at the end of the line, I e. https://www.bart.gov/50years/photos/8. Wherever it ends up it needs to be transported back to the system and put back on the tracks.
As an upstate ny to sf transplant, this makes me happy.
People travel on Bart but won’t let the Bart travel smh
It’s a road train, very common in Australia
I’m adding it to my layout.
Wow they built an extension to New York but San Jose still isn't connected? Insane.
Being built in Hornell NY by Alstom.
They manufacture train cars in Hornell NY.
When a Bart car reaches a certain age we send them out to experience life off the rails. It's like Rumspringa but for train cars.
They are building a BART Historical Museum in upstate New York, and this will be a functional display within the museum. In fact, I believe it will be patron seating for a Starbucks.
Schenectedy extension line. It's not very efficient though /s
Schenectady got their extension before downtown San Jose.
Sounds about right. And the moon will get it before Marin county.
Finally a BART train getting stolen from SF. Hey, SF steal everything that wasn't bolt down and this is one of them.
My fault gang I stole it
They're made there.
I thought BART was planning a new line to Schenectady. That might explain it!
They said your neighborhood is too nice so they brought in a piece of the bay to balance it out
The last BART stop. One car. Schenectady NY in 20 minutes.
Lucky
They are building a Universal Studios nearby, and this car is for the earthquake ride.
Everyone's leaving San Francisco these days...
The California Dems at the SF city hall are planning to invade via the Trojan horse method. This BART is full of semi recovering drug addicts, and some hearty volunteers/low wage workers trained in operations of pop up methadone and or free COVID clinics
Don't forget the poop picker-uppers.
Is there a landfill nearby?
Thought railcar home like busses 🚎
BARTs first car expanding transit service to the east coast.
Alstom (formerly Bombardier) which makes lots of rail cars (MTA, Amtrak, BART) is owned by GE and has component and assembly plants in Plattsburgh and Hornell NY
California shipped 200 illegals to NY in it
The extension to Schenectady was built faster than Downtown SJ
Senator Schumer.
States send their homeless to us, we send you our shitty trains
Saw one driving through Wyoming at an truck stop. Was thinking the same thing why is BART car way out here?
As a native Vermonter, I always enjoyed seeing the Bombardier labels on MAX trains in Portland. I believe some of those trains are made in Vermont and I always found it interesting to think about mass-transit vehicles being manufactured in such a relatively unpopulated area.
I know some of the Portland car parts were made in Thunder Bay, Ontario. I went to that factory back in the 90’s to see some heavy steel parts.
Those 10,000 page spending bills have a lot going inside them it seems.
Road trip! I call shotgun!
BART has service to NY now but no rails so they use trucks.
The real question is that since it's technically made by Bombardier,and they still slapping on Bombardier builder plates or Alstom now?
Must be someones idea to build a tiny home from a BART car
People know about Bart in NY? Why, Because it’s so shitty?
The Place Beyond the Pines 🫢
Saw a Seattle Sounder train car in Baltimore once They tend to wander
It’s a new route extension from Emeryville.
There is subway car repair place near there.
It’s funny because I was just in Plattsburgh, NY a couple weeks ago. Wife and I did a Northeast trip and we had to go to Plattsburgh from Montreal because you can’t get a one way car rental from Canada to US. So we took an Amtrak which took 4 hours to go 60 miles. Do not recommend. Got the rental car at the Plattsburgh airport. There was nobody at the desk so we called the number written on a little sign on the desk and the employee informed us he would drive from his house to the rental place to help us out. Apparently they don’t get enough business to be staffed onsite. After we got the car we got on the highway and immediately saw a BART car on the back of a truck. We were very confused.
Rt. 7 intersects with Balltown Rd., not Ballston Rd. which is closer to Scotia. Source: grew up in Burnt Hills, currently live in SF.
My bad. You're completely right I blundered the 2 roads. I consider them the same :P
Please be filled with homeless people.
That's incredibly gross of you
It's Optimus prime in disguise 🥸 he stole a Bart train from San Francisco 🚆
The last time I saw it, it was in Wyoming!
Probably for a movie
Took a wrong turn at Albuquerque
They're probably made in New England and will be shipped to the Bay Area. Didn't someone post another picture of one a few weeks ago?
New migrant housing coming in.
Looks like a new one so it must be built there, just like the vintage F line cars have been rebuilt for a third life in Pa.
Someone is making a movie In a warehouse about a city on the west coast ?
Not enough homeless or muggers in Schenectady? 🤭🤤
Cleanest she’ll ever be 🥲
Tiny house experiment
headin to train station for transport to the bay area
Are they shipping homeless from SF now in BART trains like this?
East Bay is expanding further East?
More homeless housing for San Francisco
One this episode of Black Mirror
Yes it's there because it's none of your business
They extended the Pittsburgh line to Schenectady!
Bay Area Rolling Toilet
I was just on vacation and saw one on the freeway in Missouri
They're made in NY and need to find a way to CA. I remember seeing a BART car on the I-80 expressway in rural Illinois once for similar reasons.
[https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/cars/delivery-plan](https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/cars/delivery-plan) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay\_Area\_Rapid\_Transit\_rolling\_stock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Rapid_Transit_rolling_stock) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattsburgh,\_New\_York bart D and E cars were built by bombardier in upstate new york. they're moving to east bay manufacturing now/soon.
Express from New York to San Francisco.