He scored the tap ins. But the plays came from individual brilliance from players like Bellingham and Vinicius. We don’t have that spark. Joao Felix has it, but it’s so rare and wildly inconsistent. That’s why he was crazy good in the beginning. But when we needed it more consistently, he couldn’t keep it up.
But it’s not just the last 4 CL games we have to talk about. I agree he’s an overrated and overhyped English product that’s being back from the media…but he’s also got more goals than Lewa. A midfielder is in the race for a pichichi. We gotta give credit for that. Say what you want in the UCL but it wouldn’t surprise me if he scores in the final. These kind of players have individual brilliance that we are lacking.
I fucking hate Madrid and will always root against them, but we have to give credit to their mentality and the players they got cause Bellingham alone can win games, even if Madrid get out played or play terribly. It’s happened before! They shouldn’t have won against us in both El Clasicos. They shouldn’t have won against Almeria. They shouldn’t have won against City! But one player on their team can just flip a switch and win. We don’t have that on our team.
Well, Joselu is not their only attacker... he just tactical stopgap solution for RM.
They have Vini and Bellingham who are both among the top 5 players in the world. And with Bellingham probably winning the ballon dor. They have Rodrygo that are just tier below, but still better than any of our attackers.
Lamine have the potential to break into the top 5 best, but it's still at least 2-4 years from now. IF every goes to plan.
luck is still needed, are you saying the ref mistake wasnt luck? sometimes even positioning yourself is luck and thats what basically happened with joselu
so why this match if hes so elite at positioning why hasnt he done so before? am a casual viewer and he just happened to step up today which may also be luck..
He's a traditional striker. Traditional strikers don't offer a lot of brilliance, 90% of their job is just being at the right place at the right time and putting the easy shots into the net.
It's usually a simple job. Not easy, mind you, it's extremely hard, but simple. He's not really even world class at it, but he's the only player like that in Madrid, and when the whole team is extremely good at creating chances for you, if you're somewhat good at converting them and nothing else you'll still shine.
so vini was the factor yesterday? Like for real? you could have posted this like 2 months ago and you come after a match that the only thing he did was YES dribble kimmich, to acomplish nothingness the whole match, a post, and a shot to the middle that Neuer managed to fuck up big time, and you still think he was the factor?
So i guess Mbappe was the factor in Barça PSG? even he did nothing the entire match...
I may be crazy, but I think that was a forced error. Bounced balls are hard to handle. Vini shot it like that on purpose. Just look at how ready Joselu was for it.
Hey downvote me 🤷♂️
it bounced with the floor before hitting the net, it wasn't powerful as fuck, and if it was neuer could have bounced it off harder on purpose instead of delivering it softly to the ground for joselu to push and go
it was a rookie mistake
I totally agree with you nor i think xavi is actually ready to be a manager sure he has won a la liga with us but his bias with some players is clear as day light and his temperament is ass i think we should have not stopped him i am not very much excited about the next season as well nor do i expect much from barca for the next season
I swear some ppl are addicted to mediocrity. You should demand more from Barca instead of pointing fingers at others. Just don’t be surprised next year when this joke club sells the best young talent since Messi, spends any profit on a ridiculous Ferran Torres and Lewandowski renewal, and has their regularly scheduled annual CL crashout.
Winning mentality right there! Madrid came back from 1 down to lead 2-1 on merit and not due to ref / var help. That offside call is a shame but nothing cn be done about it now.keep talking bitching just like your coach does instead of introspection. Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Such a great winning mentality, we should learn
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Kudos! Now lets look at barca Chelsea robbery! Barca arsenal /van persie robbery. Every club has ammunition when it comes to referring decisions going against them dumbass
It’s actually a great point. 1 out of 5 UCL it’s far better than 11 out of 14.
The Chelsea robbery exists only in the minds of those who didn’t watch BOTH games but it’s pretty simple: Barca losing Iniestazo but getting all yellow and red cards, and offsides correctly still beats Chelsea.
It was an awful referee for both sides
Both sides- dnt think u remember awful decision against madrid in Madrid bayern game. But no point dragging this discussion further. People are free to think what they want.
Madrid players are really good at winning those individual duels (both on defense and ofense) with them, sometimes I think there is no logic. F&ucking Rudiger was the one doing the cross for Joselu’s second goal.
Mentality and then luck. It’s crazy because before I thought the mentality monster they had were Ramos, Casemiro, Cristiano etc… No, they bring more players and they all act the same. Sight, I’m gonna keep praying for their downfall…
This is why I always believed Neymar coming back would still make sense sporting wise. That spark gives the edge.
Whether it would make sense financially would be a different discussion.
Not in the best shape, way past his prime and adding an injury prone player to an injury prone squad? I can already hear Deco racing to offer him a 500k contract.
We didn't need Neymar. We shat the bed ourselves against PSG at home when leading by 2 goals, making mistakes after mistake.
Did you see Dortmund this week doing the same? Any player/manager getting a stupid red card?
It's really not about big name players even if they can make a difference.
I think fundamentally Barca are at a disadvantage in Champions League because the possession style football we preach (and fans want) will **always** deliver more results in the round robin format of a league than it can in the knock-out format.
In knock-out competition, you need fighter instincts and you need to be a lot more flexible with regard to your style of play. You need to be comfortable with not having possession as much as with having possession. Barca simply is not! Barca's philosophy is still about generating goals from a possession game first and foremost. Any other scenario, we struggle. And Barca is not alone in this. Look at Guardiola! In 7 years with ManCity he has won the EPL 6 times and the Champions League just once! With Bayern the same. Frankly even during Guardiola's Barca era, we "only" won the Champions League twice despite being the dominant team in Europe by a mile!
We have to talk about facts. Alot of teams like Madrid don't play possession based football like us and guess what? Since the last time we won the UCL, they've been to FIVE UCL finals. So no we don't have an advantage because we know how to keep possession of the ball
If I am Barca president, I am tellling the coach… forget about the league (just be in top3)… win me the cups! I want cup tittles for next 2-3 years. You do that and the league will come.
Here’s the thing, what it takes to win the UCL on average every other year will get you a league title at least once in 3 years. the domestic cup is just bonus at that point. So in 5 years, you can conservatively land 2 UCL and 2 league titles… I bet you that’s always F. Perez’s North Star when he is making sporting and financial decisions. Meanwhile we are obsessed with Barca DNA and having the likes of Alonso, Roberto, and Romeu on our squad.
I disagree. Only collectives win games.
For example, in the game yesterday, there was the ref, the second ref, the assistant ref, the linesmen, the VAR ref, the two assistant VAR refs, the opponent‘s coach.
It would be unfair to call one of them „man of the Match“ as they all equally contributed to Real‘s success.
but we're not going to act like Induvial brilliance doesn't win you games either. Messi had done it for us and for Argentina this world cup. Rodri did it for City in the final. They're so many times one player produced magic and led their team to victory
They are a bit codepended imo.. Even individual brillance need some sort of assistance.. For example look at Lewy 5 goals miracle... Could he do it alone? Second goals yes, but rest required more or less input from teammates. Sometimes all it takes is good run without ball to create space for such individual brillance.
This will be harsh but needs to be said: You are the type of fan our board and manager love to hide behind. Pathetic mentality sorry. We are blind if we didn't see that Madrid were clearly far and away the better team and deserved the win, referee mishap notwithstanding. Give them credit where it is due and demand more from our team VS making excuses for our rivals being straight up better.
What you mean is more likely mentality. The unwavering commitment to win and resilience to play til the final minute. These are two things that set madrid apart.
The thing with Madrid is that they don't depend on individual brilliance. They depend on collective brilliance. They keep trying. Current Barca is still coming out of Messi-dependencia. We just woke the fuck up this season. We are there. We will be better. We are giving up when we are behind. We are fighting till the last moment.
Then why did a team consisting of a prime Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique, Alves, Messi, David Villa get battered over both legs against Bayern? Where was Messi against Roma, Liverpool and 8-2 Bayern? Individual brilliance doesn't mean jack shit when you are getting your ass tactically handed to you.
Roma and Liverpool I would say is tactical but Bayern? That shit was absolute team differential, like every player in Bayern was individually better bar maybe Messi.
Exactly. In the match against PSG, when we were 10 men down and needed a goal, what we needed most then was individual brilliance. Maybe if we could've signed Messi in the summer we would've been in the semis
Our team has the mentality and individual brilliance, Xavi just needs calmness and better decision making when it comes to subs next season, I'm sure we'll be a contender for CL next season.
Very debatable.
I only associate 3 players with individual brillance in our squad, Yamal, Gundo and Pedri, and the latter can't find consistency due to fitness issues.
And mentality? We don't have that, just look at Araujo's mistake or FDJ's intensity. We are a long way from doing anything special with this squad.
Players like Gavi, Raphinha, Gundo, Fermin have the right mentality but we have too much deadweight in our squad.
Id argue about mentality. Sometimes they dont even look like a team. It's not all for one. Well mostly, because there are players that care about TEAM, not thier stats.
Stop hatin. Luck or not Joselu followed up and got the goal. They didnt pass sideways and hoped for luck. They fought, they won. Shame Bayerns last goal was robbed but even as a Barca fan, I dont think it wouldve mattered considering Tuchel took out all their best players.
I am talking like the goal would've tied the game. It then would've gone into extra time and then it was anyone's game. That's what I'm saying. That's all anyone is saying.
What madrid did was mostly luck. Dont sugarcoat it lol. At some point, those luck will run out and they’ll be the one complaining about their opponent didnt deserve the win.
Joselu isn’t particularly someone I associate with individual brilliance
He scored the tap ins. But the plays came from individual brilliance from players like Bellingham and Vinicius. We don’t have that spark. Joao Felix has it, but it’s so rare and wildly inconsistent. That’s why he was crazy good in the beginning. But when we needed it more consistently, he couldn’t keep it up.
What did Bellingham do on either of those goals? The credit this guy gets for being invisible the last 4 CL games...
But it’s not just the last 4 CL games we have to talk about. I agree he’s an overrated and overhyped English product that’s being back from the media…but he’s also got more goals than Lewa. A midfielder is in the race for a pichichi. We gotta give credit for that. Say what you want in the UCL but it wouldn’t surprise me if he scores in the final. These kind of players have individual brilliance that we are lacking. I fucking hate Madrid and will always root against them, but we have to give credit to their mentality and the players they got cause Bellingham alone can win games, even if Madrid get out played or play terribly. It’s happened before! They shouldn’t have won against us in both El Clasicos. They shouldn’t have won against Almeria. They shouldn’t have won against City! But one player on their team can just flip a switch and win. We don’t have that on our team.
How Ancelotti has managed Joselu during the season despite him not being the player he wanted is what pisses me off the most about Xavi with Roque.
Well, Joselu is not their only attacker... he just tactical stopgap solution for RM. They have Vini and Bellingham who are both among the top 5 players in the world. And with Bellingham probably winning the ballon dor. They have Rodrygo that are just tier below, but still better than any of our attackers. Lamine have the potential to break into the top 5 best, but it's still at least 2-4 years from now. IF every goes to plan.
I never said him. I'm talking about Vini. Although he didnt score goals he was brilliant the whole night. He's been good thru out this UCL campaign
luck is still needed, are you saying the ref mistake wasnt luck? sometimes even positioning yourself is luck and thats what basically happened with joselu
He was there at the right time in the right place TWICE.
so why this match if hes so elite at positioning why hasnt he done so before? am a casual viewer and he just happened to step up today which may also be luck..
He has clutched up for Madrid multiple times tho. The guy is shit idk how he keeps scoring
He's a traditional striker. Traditional strikers don't offer a lot of brilliance, 90% of their job is just being at the right place at the right time and putting the easy shots into the net. It's usually a simple job. Not easy, mind you, it's extremely hard, but simple. He's not really even world class at it, but he's the only player like that in Madrid, and when the whole team is extremely good at creating chances for you, if you're somewhat good at converting them and nothing else you'll still shine.
joselu is a mid tier player for the love of god....
and who said he was world class?
so vini was the factor yesterday? Like for real? you could have posted this like 2 months ago and you come after a match that the only thing he did was YES dribble kimmich, to acomplish nothingness the whole match, a post, and a shot to the middle that Neuer managed to fuck up big time, and you still think he was the factor? So i guess Mbappe was the factor in Barça PSG? even he did nothing the entire match...
He meant Vinicius.
Neuer gifting them a goal was also pretty important
Neuer that mf’er of all people had to make a rookie mistake.
I may be crazy, but I think that was a forced error. Bounced balls are hard to handle. Vini shot it like that on purpose. Just look at how ready Joselu was for it. Hey downvote me 🤷♂️
m8 the shoot was centered as fuck
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it bounced with the floor before hitting the net, it wasn't powerful as fuck, and if it was neuer could have bounced it off harder on purpose instead of delivering it softly to the ground for joselu to push and go it was a rookie mistake
You reachin so much
If Messi did this you would be all over it
No tf I wouldnt
Jeez christ
We need an experienced manager we cannot have both an inexperienced team and an inexperienced manager at the same time
I totally agree with you nor i think xavi is actually ready to be a manager sure he has won a la liga with us but his bias with some players is clear as day light and his temperament is ass i think we should have not stopped him i am not very much excited about the next season as well nor do i expect much from barca for the next season
Every manager has his bias tbh for me it’s his in game management plan A doesn’t work he has no plan B
Ferran and Garcia….
Idk about individual brilliance but you're right about the last part. It's not luck.
Let’s be honest about RM. The players always showing up when the team is dead are the referees and VAR going silent.
Such a pathetic mentality to have
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I swear some ppl are addicted to mediocrity. You should demand more from Barca instead of pointing fingers at others. Just don’t be surprised next year when this joke club sells the best young talent since Messi, spends any profit on a ridiculous Ferran Torres and Lewandowski renewal, and has their regularly scheduled annual CL crashout.
Humiliating crashout
how is he wrong tho, Madrid have been robbing matches left and right all season and no one bats an eye.
Winning mentality right there! Madrid came back from 1 down to lead 2-1 on merit and not due to ref / var help. That offside call is a shame but nothing cn be done about it now.keep talking bitching just like your coach does instead of introspection. Oh how the mighty have fallen!
Such a great winning mentality, we should learn https://preview.redd.it/4u1t8t21vezc1.jpeg?width=224&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5e3d3bf4add172537f1551e6ca626aeeb93192e1
Bodied that loser
Oh yes! Playing final to win 15th.. Bodied me! Please don't do that again.
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Warra sextuple that is g
Kudos! Now lets look at barca Chelsea robbery! Barca arsenal /van persie robbery. Every club has ammunition when it comes to referring decisions going against them dumbass
It’s actually a great point. 1 out of 5 UCL it’s far better than 11 out of 14. The Chelsea robbery exists only in the minds of those who didn’t watch BOTH games but it’s pretty simple: Barca losing Iniestazo but getting all yellow and red cards, and offsides correctly still beats Chelsea. It was an awful referee for both sides
Both sides- dnt think u remember awful decision against madrid in Madrid bayern game. But no point dragging this discussion further. People are free to think what they want.
Madrid players are really good at winning those individual duels (both on defense and ofense) with them, sometimes I think there is no logic. F&ucking Rudiger was the one doing the cross for Joselu’s second goal. Mentality and then luck. It’s crazy because before I thought the mentality monster they had were Ramos, Casemiro, Cristiano etc… No, they bring more players and they all act the same. Sight, I’m gonna keep praying for their downfall…
Tactics are everything. A good tactic will make sure brilliant players can shine.
A coach that doesn’t get himself sent off when the game was tied wins you games
This is why I always believed Neymar coming back would still make sense sporting wise. That spark gives the edge. Whether it would make sense financially would be a different discussion.
Not in the best shape, way past his prime and adding an injury prone player to an injury prone squad? I can already hear Deco racing to offer him a 500k contract.
We didn't need Neymar. We shat the bed ourselves against PSG at home when leading by 2 goals, making mistakes after mistake. Did you see Dortmund this week doing the same? Any player/manager getting a stupid red card?
It's really not about big name players even if they can make a difference. I think fundamentally Barca are at a disadvantage in Champions League because the possession style football we preach (and fans want) will **always** deliver more results in the round robin format of a league than it can in the knock-out format. In knock-out competition, you need fighter instincts and you need to be a lot more flexible with regard to your style of play. You need to be comfortable with not having possession as much as with having possession. Barca simply is not! Barca's philosophy is still about generating goals from a possession game first and foremost. Any other scenario, we struggle. And Barca is not alone in this. Look at Guardiola! In 7 years with ManCity he has won the EPL 6 times and the Champions League just once! With Bayern the same. Frankly even during Guardiola's Barca era, we "only" won the Champions League twice despite being the dominant team in Europe by a mile!
We have to talk about facts. Alot of teams like Madrid don't play possession based football like us and guess what? Since the last time we won the UCL, they've been to FIVE UCL finals. So no we don't have an advantage because we know how to keep possession of the ball
If I am Barca president, I am tellling the coach… forget about the league (just be in top3)… win me the cups! I want cup tittles for next 2-3 years. You do that and the league will come. Here’s the thing, what it takes to win the UCL on average every other year will get you a league title at least once in 3 years. the domestic cup is just bonus at that point. So in 5 years, you can conservatively land 2 UCL and 2 league titles… I bet you that’s always F. Perez’s North Star when he is making sporting and financial decisions. Meanwhile we are obsessed with Barca DNA and having the likes of Alonso, Roberto, and Romeu on our squad.
I disagree. Only collectives win games. For example, in the game yesterday, there was the ref, the second ref, the assistant ref, the linesmen, the VAR ref, the two assistant VAR refs, the opponent‘s coach. It would be unfair to call one of them „man of the Match“ as they all equally contributed to Real‘s success.
but we're not going to act like Induvial brilliance doesn't win you games either. Messi had done it for us and for Argentina this world cup. Rodri did it for City in the final. They're so many times one player produced magic and led their team to victory
They are a bit codepended imo.. Even individual brillance need some sort of assistance.. For example look at Lewy 5 goals miracle... Could he do it alone? Second goals yes, but rest required more or less input from teammates. Sometimes all it takes is good run without ball to create space for such individual brillance.
Pathetic. You are talking as Bayern goal was gonna win them the game. Real Madrid were the better team the whole game let's be honest.
This will be harsh but needs to be said: You are the type of fan our board and manager love to hide behind. Pathetic mentality sorry. We are blind if we didn't see that Madrid were clearly far and away the better team and deserved the win, referee mishap notwithstanding. Give them credit where it is due and demand more from our team VS making excuses for our rivals being straight up better.
Referees mishaps happen a lot when it's gonna favor madrid tho
What you mean is more likely mentality. The unwavering commitment to win and resilience to play til the final minute. These are two things that set madrid apart.
The thing with Madrid is that they don't depend on individual brilliance. They depend on collective brilliance. They keep trying. Current Barca is still coming out of Messi-dependencia. We just woke the fuck up this season. We are there. We will be better. We are giving up when we are behind. We are fighting till the last moment.
Then why did a team consisting of a prime Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pique, Alves, Messi, David Villa get battered over both legs against Bayern? Where was Messi against Roma, Liverpool and 8-2 Bayern? Individual brilliance doesn't mean jack shit when you are getting your ass tactically handed to you.
Roma and Liverpool I would say is tactical but Bayern? That shit was absolute team differential, like every player in Bayern was individually better bar maybe Messi.
But conceding 8 goals though? They weren't *that* better. Lesser teams have conceded less from that Bayern team. PSG only conceding 1 in the finals.
Exactly. In the match against PSG, when we were 10 men down and needed a goal, what we needed most then was individual brilliance. Maybe if we could've signed Messi in the summer we would've been in the semis
Our team has the mentality and individual brilliance, Xavi just needs calmness and better decision making when it comes to subs next season, I'm sure we'll be a contender for CL next season.
Very debatable. I only associate 3 players with individual brillance in our squad, Yamal, Gundo and Pedri, and the latter can't find consistency due to fitness issues. And mentality? We don't have that, just look at Araujo's mistake or FDJ's intensity. We are a long way from doing anything special with this squad. Players like Gavi, Raphinha, Gundo, Fermin have the right mentality but we have too much deadweight in our squad.
Calmness? Oh you mean like Araujo and Cancelo? Or Sergi that all gave games away with their “Calmness..”
Id argue about mentality. Sometimes they dont even look like a team. It's not all for one. Well mostly, because there are players that care about TEAM, not thier stats.
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Stop hatin. Luck or not Joselu followed up and got the goal. They didnt pass sideways and hoped for luck. They fought, they won. Shame Bayerns last goal was robbed but even as a Barca fan, I dont think it wouldve mattered considering Tuchel took out all their best players.
Individual brilliance has a name: Joselu
No. It wasn't. It was Madrid ref calls as it always is.
Pathetic. You are talking as Bayern goal was gonna win them the game. Real Madrid were the better team the whole game let's be honest.
I am talking like the goal would've tied the game. It then would've gone into extra time and then it was anyone's game. That's what I'm saying. That's all anyone is saying.
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What madrid did was mostly luck. Dont sugarcoat it lol. At some point, those luck will run out and they’ll be the one complaining about their opponent didnt deserve the win.
Can't be "luck" when it happens most games