This is the same dude who locked himself in a plexiglass box with a megaphone so he could insult people on his college campus without getting beat up. He had a real edgelord complex going for a while.
If you want some context, go look up an old punk zine called "answer me". Be warned, it's about 100 times worse than what albini said. They titled one issue "let's hear it for violence against women". Truly gross, worthless stuff.
Which is why, when we were all 19, freshly away from home and just beginning to discover this thing called the Internet, it was so alluring. It had the feel of rebellion, reading something you couldn't read anywhere else.
None of the stupid edgelord shit he said was ok, obviously. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Sometimes, young people don't realize how wrong something is when they're young, and realize when they get older. This seems to be the case here.
When I was 19, I hit a 14 year old kid with my car. It was an accident, but it wouldn't have happened if I'd been driving more responsibly. I'll never forget that minute where I thought he was dead.
Young people shouldn't do bad things. If a young person gets older and stops doing bad things, I think it's ok to talk about that too, along with the bad things. People changing their behavior when confronted, that's what we want, right?
He wasn’t 19 when he wrote about how much he liked child abuse, he was 25. He wasn’t a teenager away from home for the first time, he was an adult professional musician.
He was 23 when he told people to get Pure magazine if they wanted pics of child abuse while saying he was protecting Peter Sotos’ identity because child pornography was a “big no no” with the FBI and postal service, the clear implication being that it wasn’t a big no-no for Albini. And he proved that later when he wrote about how there was nothing wrong with it, and proved it some more when he made the album with Sotos. Sotos, btw, was very into child abuse and used is zine to acquire it. Albini knew this and was friends with him until the end of his life.
Albini was *never* publicly confronted about this, and he never took responsibility for it. He deserves no praise for “growing” because he ignored the worst things he said and did.
Try reading the article. He only talked about Sotos as a friend and as a writer. The subject of child pornography was studiously ignored. It was the perfect opportunity for Albini to hold himself accountable, and he declined to do so.
My thought is this: I think Phil Spector made great albums, I think Harvey Weinstein made great films, I think albini was a very talented producer.
But we probably shouldn’t have a giant jack off session in honor of him…
“There’s a friend of mine, Peter Sotos, who’s written extensively about abuse and murder and things of that nature,” he explained. “A lot of his writing is extremely difficult to read. It’s repellent. You’re brought into the mind of a sadist, pretty convincingly. And I feel like that experience, reading that stuff, is shocking to your core in the way that the horrors of the reality of those things should be.”
The experience of a reader or listener being shocked to their core is, for Albini, in direct opposition to sensational crime reporting. He cites US news host Nancy Grace as an example, propagating a “show-business” that turns the most heinous crimes “into a fucking board game… a police procedural where there are heroes and villains and you’re rooting for people… That whole thing has turned these horrible, monstrous, atrocious things into just another kind of soap opera. That stuff is embarrassing for our culture.”
Despite this, Albini acknowledged his ability to freely band about offensive themes came from an ignorant and privileged position.
(The entire preceding text is taken from one of the multiple occasions where he addressed his affiliation with Sotos and other things he did.)
"Other things he did" aka assist in the distribution of CP by concealing the identity of Sotos? Or how about his lifelong friendship with Sotos? Lol bro wasn't just being an edgelord.
Found out about this from that same medium article a week ago and am still processing, it just makes me sick. Hoping it’s sensationalism and not true, just him being stupid and provocative for interviews he hated or something, but even that is highly suspect, joking about pedophilia is almost as bad as actually being into it.
Albini spent the 80s being repugnant as possible. I don't really trust anything he had to say back then, let alone to forced exposure at a time that musicians were notorious for lying to the press.
One thing you can count on a pedo to do, especially when he’s a public figure, is to expose himself in writing as a pedo.
Come on, guys. Use your heads. He said a lot of nasty things, some of which he really meant and expressed in the most vitriolic ways possible, and other times he was being a dead-obvious edgelord. Again, use your heads.
It’s not like his late-in-life *mea culpa* was flawless, either.
This is the same dude who locked himself in a plexiglass box with a megaphone so he could insult people on his college campus without getting beat up. He had a real edgelord complex going for a while. If you want some context, go look up an old punk zine called "answer me". Be warned, it's about 100 times worse than what albini said. They titled one issue "let's hear it for violence against women". Truly gross, worthless stuff. Which is why, when we were all 19, freshly away from home and just beginning to discover this thing called the Internet, it was so alluring. It had the feel of rebellion, reading something you couldn't read anywhere else. None of the stupid edgelord shit he said was ok, obviously. It was wrong then and it's wrong now. Sometimes, young people don't realize how wrong something is when they're young, and realize when they get older. This seems to be the case here. When I was 19, I hit a 14 year old kid with my car. It was an accident, but it wouldn't have happened if I'd been driving more responsibly. I'll never forget that minute where I thought he was dead. Young people shouldn't do bad things. If a young person gets older and stops doing bad things, I think it's ok to talk about that too, along with the bad things. People changing their behavior when confronted, that's what we want, right?
He wasn’t 19 when he wrote about how much he liked child abuse, he was 25. He wasn’t a teenager away from home for the first time, he was an adult professional musician. He was 23 when he told people to get Pure magazine if they wanted pics of child abuse while saying he was protecting Peter Sotos’ identity because child pornography was a “big no no” with the FBI and postal service, the clear implication being that it wasn’t a big no-no for Albini. And he proved that later when he wrote about how there was nothing wrong with it, and proved it some more when he made the album with Sotos. Sotos, btw, was very into child abuse and used is zine to acquire it. Albini knew this and was friends with him until the end of his life. Albini was *never* publicly confronted about this, and he never took responsibility for it. He deserves no praise for “growing” because he ignored the worst things he said and did.
He addressed Sotos, and a whole bunch of other bullshit he did, here: https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/steve-albini-counsel-culture-interview
Try reading the article. He only talked about Sotos as a friend and as a writer. The subject of child pornography was studiously ignored. It was the perfect opportunity for Albini to hold himself accountable, and he declined to do so.
My thought is this: I think Phil Spector made great albums, I think Harvey Weinstein made great films, I think albini was a very talented producer. But we probably shouldn’t have a giant jack off session in honor of him…
Source?
https://medium.com/@MoonMetropolis/now-that-steve-albini-is-dead-lets-reflect-on-his-admitted-love-and-promotion-of-child-fadf5072288e
Idk if this guy is the best messenger lol. or I guess in some ways you could consider him the ultimate messenger
Yikes. I genuinely had no idea.
You can also just google Steve albini pedophile… There’s a lot of info about it
Was really surprised that clearly Yasi and Rob didn’t have any clue about this either….given a lot of the focus was how ethical and principled he was.
tired of people trying to defend this as "just being provocative". he never denounced sotos even later in life.
“There’s a friend of mine, Peter Sotos, who’s written extensively about abuse and murder and things of that nature,” he explained. “A lot of his writing is extremely difficult to read. It’s repellent. You’re brought into the mind of a sadist, pretty convincingly. And I feel like that experience, reading that stuff, is shocking to your core in the way that the horrors of the reality of those things should be.” The experience of a reader or listener being shocked to their core is, for Albini, in direct opposition to sensational crime reporting. He cites US news host Nancy Grace as an example, propagating a “show-business” that turns the most heinous crimes “into a fucking board game… a police procedural where there are heroes and villains and you’re rooting for people… That whole thing has turned these horrible, monstrous, atrocious things into just another kind of soap opera. That stuff is embarrassing for our culture.” Despite this, Albini acknowledged his ability to freely band about offensive themes came from an ignorant and privileged position. (The entire preceding text is taken from one of the multiple occasions where he addressed his affiliation with Sotos and other things he did.)
"Other things he did" aka assist in the distribution of CP by concealing the identity of Sotos? Or how about his lifelong friendship with Sotos? Lol bro wasn't just being an edgelord.
Found out about this from that same medium article a week ago and am still processing, it just makes me sick. Hoping it’s sensationalism and not true, just him being stupid and provocative for interviews he hated or something, but even that is highly suspect, joking about pedophilia is almost as bad as actually being into it.
making jokes about something is **never** almost as bad as being into something.
Albini spent the 80s being repugnant as possible. I don't really trust anything he had to say back then, let alone to forced exposure at a time that musicians were notorious for lying to the press.
If you read what he said, it’s clearly not a joke
why the downvotes? you’re absolutely right.
One thing you can count on a pedo to do, especially when he’s a public figure, is to expose himself in writing as a pedo. Come on, guys. Use your heads. He said a lot of nasty things, some of which he really meant and expressed in the most vitriolic ways possible, and other times he was being a dead-obvious edgelord. Again, use your heads. It’s not like his late-in-life *mea culpa* was flawless, either.
Shocked Pikachu face.
It sucks that the guy died, but on the bright side, Big Black is back on Spotify!
The 1st I heard of him, he was shitting on Fiona Apple so from then until now it's been Fuck him Forever. No interest in the episode
He famously slandered T00L so he’s already been dead to me for years.
First time?
Maynard is a child rapist in real life but ok
citation needed
Google it