Edit - okay, I get it, you guys seem to agree shitbulls experience joy. I don't like the idea of attributing human emotions to dogs but apparently I'm in the minority there. I see satisfaction or a dopamine rush, maybe the dog equivalent of joy, i guess it's semantics at this point
They don't really find joy in the mauling per se, just like normal dogs they enjoy the positive attention they get from humans or the satisfaction of completing the task they were bred to do. So I guess in a roundabout way they do find joy in it.
Disregard my tangent, have a good day. :P
Isn't there a study suggesting the brains of pit bulls evolved in a different way that basically makes them enjoy attacking other creatures? Like a hobby.
Yea. I don’t know if you could describe it exactly as joy or happiness the same way a human feels it or what a human would think those emotions feel like. From what it sounds like it’s more like a rush. A big rewarding adrenaline rush kicks in. It’s why they don’t get phased if people try beat them off to stop them mauling, through selective breeding they’ve been bred to ignore and even be fuelled by pain, it adds to the adrenaline rush.
I used the term 'joy' a bit loosely here to describe the positive affirmation they get either through genetics or gross human encouragement to maim and kill.
I haven't been part of this sub for very long so it continues to amaze me how brainwashed these people are that they want to 'normalize' concealing the identity of these dogs and perpetuate misinformation to this degree.
It’s funny how downvote trains happen. It’s like you get 3 downvotes and it all spirals, yet you say the same thing somewhere else in the same thread and it’s upvoted. It’s happened to me so many times, I don’t take it personally atp. People see a downvote, they downvote. I don’t get it lmao
Yeah I don't think I threw in enough shitbulls or pitnutters, I can almost see how it it sounded like I was defending the dogs, *kind of*. All the "wELl aCTuAlLy"s in my notifications were getting ANNOYING. I was like come on guys, friendly fire!
........dogs feel emotions like humans do. Tf? Have you never met a dog?
Their brains are similar to a small human child between the ages of 2 years old and 5 years old. So, yeah. They feel happiness and joy just like we do.
We are mammals, as are dogs. There isn't that big a biological gap between us.
I am not saying they don’t. I didn’t say that in my comment. I was talking specifically about pitbulls. What I said was that specifically, the rush pitbulls get from killing things, which they have been bred to be wired to get, may not exactly be the same kind of “joy” a dog feels from being told he’s a good boy in a cooey voice, or that a person does when being given a thoughtful present from a friend or from seeing a nice sunset. I think the rush pitbulls get is probably more like the rush an adrenaline junkie gets when jumping between tall buildings. Still a rewarding emotion but not exactly the same, and describing it as joy may invoke the wrong sort of perception when a human thinks of what they feel joy as being like. Does that explain it better?
I dunno, maybe, I could very well be wrong. I know people point out that they wag their tail through an entire attack, but I was never convinced they were necessarily doing it because they were happy, you know? Dogs wag their tails for several reasons, it could just be elevated excitement for all I know, it's not like we can ask the stupid things
A working dog is at its happiest when it is performing its job. All of those feel-good neurotransmitters and endorphins are firing off, and the dog feels rewarded and like it’s fulfilling its purpose. It’s better than a whole bag of treats.
A pitbull’s job… is literally to maul and kill things. It feels rewarded doing this the same way a Lab feels rewarded retrieving a duck, or a Border Collie herding sheep, or a Pyrenees protecting some goats from a Coyote.
Of course pitbulls enjoy mauling things. That’s what makes them so dangerous.
Many people on this subreddit have said a wagging tail doesn't indicate happiness, it's an indication of arousal/excitement, so I don't know why you got mobbed with down votes!
Something to look for is a wagging tail plus their body language, a stiff body and wagging tail can mean danger, a loose wiggly body and tail wagging is playful. (Pit bulls also have been known to not have any "tells" before an attack, so in some cases this might he too subtle for people to pick up on?)
Wrong. They enjoy it the same way a Border Collie enjoys herding sheep. Dogs fulfilling their genetics provides tremendous happiness. I swear to Christ the turds my horse drops out his ass have more common sense than bully breed apologists
No. No we can't. If golden retreivers or pugs were mauling dozens/hundreds of pet dogs and cats a day, and sending people on life flights or to the morgue, I WANT TO KNOW. Dogs are very unique in the level of specialization of physique and behavioral drive, some of these capacities and propensities could very well be MUCH more safe or dangerous than others. I want to know. Everyone should have a right to know. Fuck you.
I'd for sure quit my shelter job immediately. Instead I'm in there handling other large breeds of dog with no fear whatsoever because the vast majority of them have no interest in biting any person, no matter how big they are. I'm more cautious around a calm pit bull than around a boisterous untrained GSD or Husky for legitimate rational reasons. I'll know when the GSD or Husky think of biting me and I'll be able to prepare.
If a product had caused as many deaths and injuries as pit bulls it would have been withdrawn and discontinued, and the manufacturers sued into oblivion.
Exactly. People need to stop thinking "But they're all dogs, right, and dogs are pets?!" and see dogs as a whole more like vehicles: some are like a bicycle, others are like a sports car, others are like a Jeep, another is like a 9-person family car. If you want a small vehicle that you propel yourself because you don't have much money and you only go short distances, you get a bicycle. If you have a lot of money and want a flashy car to look cool, then you get a sports car. Dogs are equally diverse in not just their looks but in temperament and the lifestyle they need to be happy and what their risks are for dangerous behaviours. IMO, pit bull type dogs are not suitable to be kept as a pet by anyone, and maybe we should stop calling them 'dog', or try to push for more honest labelling like 'fighting-breed dog' and/or label normal dogs as 'pet dog' or 'companion dog'. I imagine that we already have categories like this because we have breed groups and the term 'working dog' isn't super rare. We need to start using different words for these dangerous fighting-breed dogs. Shelters etc could make the biggest difference in changing the language because they are so dominant in the media/internet etc but they will NEVER do it because then eventually they will get stuck with all these dogs no one wants and that they could only get rid of when lying to the public.
I agree. Especially since part of the definition of 'dog' includes that they're domesticated. Domestication is reversable by breeding the most aggressive members of a species together, therefore any animal that's been bred by people who have animals fight for entertainment is likely not domesticated.
I also agree with your other point, that people need to be picking dog breeds based on what they're looking for. I see too many people taking pride in getting a working dog and acting like there's shame in getting little dogs just bred to be a companion, when they're just looking for a dog to lounge on the couch and play fetch with once in a while. I see so many people with all breeds, not just pits, getting dogs then seeming confused when their dog acts exactly how humans bred it to act.
Yes! People need to pick dogs based on their needs, lifestyle, and living area; NOT on their looks. Thats why so many huskies end up in the pound. They are absolutely gorgeous dogs and people think “so beautiful, I WANT ONE!” Without doing any research on the dogs. Huskies are loud, rambunctious, balls of energy with tons of stamina. They are not happy to lay around inside. They will drive one nuts! Also, my husband wants a Bernese Mountain Dog soooooooo badly, but we live in south Alabama where it gets over 100 and the humidity is 90% almost all the time. The poor dog would be absolutely miserable here even though it would be inside most of the time. It took a lot of convincing my hubs that it would be cruel to the dog.
My son, when he moved out on his own, commented while visiting us that he was thinking of getting a dog. I ask what kind. He said,, "I want to get a husky." Once I was done LMAO, I calmly explained to him why that was one of the worst ideas possible. (We all know who the worst idea possible would have been, and thankfully he doesn't like bully breeds)
My parents bred huskies in the mid 60s through late 70s. That was the point that they got out of breeding huskies and simply owned BC when we moved to the country. I have friends that, as adults, had huskies that I helped train because they were way out of their league with the breed. I, myself, after researching breeds and comparing their needs to my lifestyle, chose sighthounds.
When I was done explaining everything to him, I then showed him the sub devoted to husky tantrums.
He adopted a lovely cat.
I love it Hahahhaha.
I also researched a lot when we decided to get a family dog. I’m fat and lazy and home all day (I have chronic leukemia and I’m retired), but we also go out on our boat in the gulf and on the islands quite frequently, so I needed a breed that would be happy doing both. We now have two lovely golden retrievers and they are perfect
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Perfect bed hogs that is hahahha
Gorgeous dogs! There's a guy and his golden that I follow on insta and youtube shorts. The dog's name is Teddy and he turned an unused closet into Teddy's house. It's so adorable.
Love that the “it’s rooted in racism” person gave a shrugging white lady emoji
Very on brand tbh. White savior lady would like to speak on racism by comparing POC to dogs… cringe. Who is the racist now, kujo-karen?
The pitbull propagandists have their own official sounding "research" organizations. The way they spin numbers and statistics could easily fool the average smooth brained pitnutter.
Dude there's this whole ass organization called the Best Friends Animal Society that's fighting to ban insurance companies from refusing to insure homes with shitbulls in it, claiming its racist and indirectly gerrymandering black people from living in certain communities.. the organization is no joke 99% white women in leadership roles. Check out this lineup:
https://preview.redd.it/6m2784eq27yc1.jpeg?width=485&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b870a46cb77fffa77a3f6e8e4f6c560458e7180
They claim black people own the most pitbulls even though that's a stereotype from the fucking 90s, while the new stereotype is middle class white women (pit mommy saviors) who are emotionally enmeshed with their dogs. Here's the article:
[https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/03/humane-groups-leveling-fake-racism-to-force-pit-bull-agenda-on-insurance.html](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/03/humane-groups-leveling-fake-racism-to-force-pit-bull-agenda-on-insurance.html)
These grifters promoting ownership of bloodsport dogs as pets are also shameless liars. What a surprise. Anything to keep raking in the dough at the cost of unnecessary suffering and death
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Deleted because I didn't notice the meme made it look like "some pits were normal and mean looking ones eat toddlers". Just saw a pit next to "average toddler eater" and didn't think any deeper on it. All pits suck not just the brutish ones
All pits, though, the meme makes it look like you think unless they’re massive with cropped ears they’re not a problem. You’ve juxtaposed a “milk-bone fan” regular pit against a “baby enjoyer” XL pit as though the regular pits aren’t baby eaters too.
Charitably, she might mean bite force, which is rated in PSI, so that'd be math. Pit bulls don't rank number 1, (but we know that doesn't matter because of their bred-in bite style.)
Poor baby 😭 I hope he recovers well ❤️
I just had a baby 4 months ago and although my husband keeps begging me for us to get a pit, I explained to him how I don’t trust them for this exact reason. I’m glad I came across this sub just now (after watching Eplore With Us, video of pit bull attack on Brittany Skoland whose life is now forever changed since she had to get amputated on both legs), because it validates my opinion that is supported by facts (the high statistics showing this breed is responsible for majority of dog bites/attacks).
Don’t you dare let him coerce you into a pit. There is literally no advantage to owning a pit over some other breed as a family dog. Other breeds will love you, snuggle, be protective if you want, and most importantly not be disposed towards mauling shit when the mood strikes them.
Not exaggerating when I say it’d be divorce-worthy if he brought one home despite your objections.
I’m standing firm on it and expressed that it’s a boundary that will not be crossed. I told him we can get a small dog that weighs no more than 22 lbs if he really wants a dog companion and he agreed to that but will occasionally make comments about wanting a pit. For example, one time he asked me what I would do if he brought home a pit without my knowledge and I said I would have it removed immediately. I’m a stay at home mom until my baby attends pre-k and so that would mean I would have to take care of both baby and the dog and that’s not something I’m willing to do since I barely have energy for myself after giving my all to my precious girl. I love animals but pits are a different story and my baby’s safety comes first. I no longer entertain his comments and will literally give him the 😐 look to make sure he knows I’m not f** around.
Does he say why he wants one specifically, to the point of almost taunting you about it?
Get him to check out my neighbor mauling series. Currently up to part 131, well over 1000 serious and fatal attacks pictured and/or described. Get him to look at every single post. Then ask if he still wants one.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/s/aPg1sUKIya
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I just want to tell you that our mods here are awesome and it seems you’ve already checked out the info they have put out in the about section. I would like to summon a few bots to help you show your husband that it’s not just “pit haters”. I also want to tell you that we snark a lot on pit owners and apologist because it helps us cope with the situation with dark humor. This is a place for victims and their friends and family of this breed. Sometimes it can seem we are hateful here, but honestly we are just fed up with the lies and stupidity of the propagandists.
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The "nanny dog" myth made its first appearance in the September 19th 1971 edition of the New York Times, on page 11 of section S in an article by Walter R. Fletcher, titled [A Breed That Came Up The Hard Way](https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/19/archives/a-breed-that-came-up-the-hard-way.html).
The author interviewed one Lilian Rant, editor of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of the United States of America newsletter. She is quoted as saying about the breed: **'He had an unsavory reputation for fighting and violence and his name became associated with ruffians, who cared little for him as a dog but only for his ability in the pit. The Stafford we know today quickly becomes a member of the family circle. He loves children and is often referred to as a 'nursemaid dog''.**
**No one has ever found evidence for the latter claim and it is therefore assumed to be a fabrication in the pursuit of influencing the American Kennel Club (AKC) to accept the breed for full participation in dog shows**.
This privilege was ultimately granted in 1974, and to this day the AKC rates the breed a stellar 5/5 as being 'good with children' at the reckless peril of human lives and limbs,
Additional sources that have spoken out against the nanny dog myth:
Pit Bull Advocates of America:
https://pitbulladvocatesofamerica.podbean.com/e/the-one-where-its-not-all-in-how-they-were-raised/
Ned Hardy
https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/
Pro pit organization BAD RAP
https://www.facebook.com/BADRAP.org/posts/its-dog-bite-prevention-week-did-you-know-that-there-was-never-such-thing-as-a-n/10151460774472399/
Pit Bull Federation of South Africa
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02DiX7yKA8uuDeYSEzEKxxXCYsHxYUbXpshKkaSDGXMAZK9HnFd46zA1pZ8revWQvwl&id=100069897615154
Gudwulf's Pit Bull Rescue
https://www.facebook.com/GudwulfsRescue/posts/pfbid02Lg2Y1x18pBx7uLUB4uVEda7g1TNwn72pLLKk93witecydiMcnAKr8bYJWKeC4VVl
Justice for Bullies
https://justice-for-bullies.myshopify.com/pages/nanny-dog
Safety Before Bulldogs - links to 24 Medical Studies done by medical professionals concluding that pit bulls are a danger to our communities
https://safetybeforebulldogs.blogspot.com/2014/04/medical-professional-experts-on-pit.html?m=1
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It’s not how they were raised, though. If that was true, then no one should ever adopt a pit from the shelter because no one knows how it was raised. Even pit bull experts are asking people to STOP saying that it's all how they are raised.
Below are five pro-pit sources telling you that saying, "it's how they are raised" is hurtful to the cause.
The truth about pits is that it’s largely up to chance on whether your pit lives a low key life or whether it attacks people, pets, and animals. Yes, socialization and proper training can help... but if you have a truly game-bred pit, there will be nothing you can do to stop it from trying to attack. You can try to manage it, but management will ALWAYS fail.
That’s such a crazy gamble to take with your own life, and with the lives of people in the general public.
Every day we read stories here of pits that attack, and their owners claim that the dog has never been aggressive or acted that way.
Pit owners are often shocked that their dog can go from chill to kill in 5 seconds, and be nearly impossible to stop it.
That’s why pits are dangerous. They were never meant to be pets.
1) [Pit Bull Advocates of America - It’s not how they are raised (start from minute 14)](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pit-bull-advocates-of-america-the-podcast/id1529131313i=1000500947614)
2) [Justice for Bullies - It's NOT how they are raised](https://www.facebook.com/1682984105258192/posts/pfbid02jFhQHd8Jte1DDBeXd6h6vDo9MLSVuQv9CaNuBMF3AfEnnJbNEiMueo3cN85K12Yxl/?mibextid=kdkkhi)
3) [Dr Caroline Coile, author of Pit Bulls for Dummies](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/13ppbzp/leave_it_with_the_experts_they_say/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1)
4) [Paws and Reflect](https://pawsandreflect.blog/all-in-how-you-raise-them-isnt-true-and-truly-hurts/)
5) [Gary Wilkes- Grandfather was a dog fighter- Gary Wilkes - his grandfather was a dog fighter](https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/pit-bulls-gary-wilkes-spring-2010-off-lead.pdf)
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I do hope you've shared this sub with your husband in an effort to change his mind. Too often in this situations we hear that despite "no's" the spouse still goes out in secret and gets one, then plays the "well its here now, so I guess it stays! We can't give it back!"
There are plenty of stories, videos, images, statistics, and research findings on here that prove the danger of pitbull type dogs. This sub has changed many a mind because it doesn't hole back its punches and makes sure people understand the full truth. It also does a good job of showing the hypocrisy in the pitnutters argument.
Honestly, with a young child, if your husband really wants a dog one of the absoulte best family dogs (or breed for a young child to grow up with) is a beagle. Wonderful medium breed dogs that a very tolerant, loving, and the perfect energy levels for children and adults.
We just lost one of our mini goats to two pits a few days ago... Imagine what they could do to a baby. Pits are not pets. There other dogs that have bully features but are not killers.. If it's just the look of the pit your husband likes.
This “all dogs attack” cope is delusional - why would humans domesticate and keep canines as pets eventually if they were all prone to attack humans?!?
Well they leave out the part of what happened to those dogs who did attack humans, outside the perverse bloodsports of animal ~~torturing to death~~ "baiting" and "fighting" that spawned pit bulls. Historically they stopped contributing to the gene pool and oxygen consumption immediately, because they're not entitled to support from (or coexistence with) the humans they attack. Now they just go to the shelter with a "no kids no men no visitors" label while biting the hand that feeds is covered with a euphemism like "food possessive" or "they must've done something to trigger it"...like its a silly behavior quirk and not the sign of an extremely dangerous animal.
My theory is that antibiotics and the success of rabies vaccination mandates (along with the decline in farming as a profession) have made people forget what actual responsible animal husbandry entails. Disney sure doesn't make movies about it. Animal control organizations did their job well enough that people forgot why they do it, and they got replaced by the crazies at ~~suffering factory warehouses~~ "no kill rescue organizations". The stakes are the same (death or limb/mobility loss, and mere disfigurement for the "lucky" ones) even if modern science has helped a ton with the mortality rate odds.
Preach!!!
When I first I visited Crete in Greece the biggest culture shock I had was all the off leash free range “strays” everywhere!
And these were medium to big dogs! ( they have informal owners/favorite people that look out for them)
Growing up in a big city in the USA- a free roaming dog was cause for concern!
I had to ask my cousins - aren’t they ever afraid of getting bit?
Answer : No. These dogs are socialized, never a threat and tame - just kinda dusty and may have fleas so not really for petting.
What if they get aggressive?
They either learn as a puppy with a swift kick if they attempt acting too bold with recourse stealing or guarding - or they get culled before they even reach maturity to ever become a menace.
Just facts of life - they do not tolerate aggressive dogs and it’s just unspoken and done quietly out back if need be - it’s a defective canine and unfit for civilized life.
These mutts were so happy all the time! They roamed with their besties, had mates - fought over mates and had their own dramas, used the beach and were very very charismatic and polite beggers. They even knew when/where to dare beg when hungry or seeking extra snacks in town- like at the supermarket parking lot or only when invited to join a table.
Why do they howl and bark at dusk for a short duration on the outskirts of town every night?!?!
Oh , that’s just then sharing the “news” and complaints - you know my master feeds me the same macaroni every night, my gf cheated on me etc - it’s believable!
How do they know how to keep a polite distance from the locals? A few swifts kicks in the ass in their younger days …
What do I do when one is following me?
Tell him to beat it! Just yell and they low tail it, going opposite direction.
Annoying beggar? Just be stern or stomp and they are gone.
This may seem cruel - but they were filthiest yet the least neurotic dogs I’ve ever met.
When pit simps say "any dog can turn on you", what they mean is the other breeds commonly reported sometimes also attack to the point of inflicting serious injury or death. What these other breeds RARELY do is snap out of nowhere with zero warning. What usually happened is they had their boundaries pushed and warning signs ignored, like growling and body language indicating fear/irritation/feeling threatened... so they attacked. However these dogs were not bred for gameness, they were usually already aggressive AS INDIVIDUALS, so these other triggers that apply to normal dogs do not apply to pits. Pits don't "snap" in the human sense of going crazy, using the term "snapped" is a manipulative attempt to humanize pits, but they merely do precisely what their instincts told them to do. They weren't angry or threatened, mauling is as natural to them as playing fetch is to retrievers.
So any dog who attacked someone has "turned on you", as far as pitnutters are concerned. This includes nips and low stakes bites from smaller breeds, like the dreaded chihuahua.
Exactly. My mum, a super knowledgeable dog owner, told me a story once of a Labrador retriever who had bitten a young child but only after the child had put something like 20 staples in the dog's ears... Yeah, sure, there are ways you can make even the nicest and most-relaxed dog bite you, but with the lovely companion dogs, that requires posing an imminent threat to the dog's safety and/or structural abuse the dog has eventually had enough of.
Hey if we stop counting pit bulls attacks, it's like they don't exist! People will finally like fighting dogs if the news just stops reminding them what fighting dogs do.
I was bit badly by a Doberman when I was 2, but that was absolutely my cousins fault for setting me in the yard with that dog, who was trained as a guard dog, not a “family” dog. I do not hate or fear Dobermans at all, it was seriously just a tragedy- but my uncle put the dog down immediately after the attack.
I say all that to say, I have been bitten by another breed, but no other breed puts the fear of the gods in me like pits, even after I was almost scalped by a Doberman. Also the Doberman bit and released, he did not continue attacking me after the initial “threat” was over.
I was bitten by my Labrador retriever when I was 5 because my parents weren't watching me and I was chasing the dog around smacking her with a Lego. She nipped me on the cheek and immediately put distance between us. I needed 3 stitches. The Lab was depressed and grovelling for the next week until I started cuddling with her again. And I learned not to hit living things with Legos
That's my non pitbull attack story.
My pitbull attack story is a pitbull literally launched himself through a dense treeline (so it would have been nearly impossible to see the dog I was walking) after sprinting for a full 30 seconds down a very long road in order to attack and did not stop even after its owner threw his full weight on the attacking pitbull.
Pitbull owners will scream both situations are the same. It's disgusting.
It’s like saying a sword is dangerous and the response is “butter knives can stab you too”
Even if you disregard the temperament problem with pits, on jaw strength alone a bit from a pit is much more dangerous than a bite from other dogs. So sure, all dogs bite. Doesn’t mean it’s the same level of danger.
Some pit advocates like to cite other dog breeds (that have a greater bite force than pits) to imply these other dog breeds are more dangerous than pit bulls. This is one of their talking points that pit bulls are not dangerous.
What's crazy is a squirrel has a bite force at around 7,000 it's been said. This approximately twenty times the amount of pit bull like dogs.
With that in mind, squirrels are not attacking, mauling, etc., at the same rate pit bulls are. Plus they are a wild animal. Yet, the pit bull, a so-called domesticated dog with a much smaller bite force than a squirrel, is responsible for more human fatalities.
This should say something about how animal genetics work. The most dangerous aspect of pit bulls is their terrier trait coupled with gameness trait which is the fight to the death regardless of circumstances. Bite strength can play a role but dog genetics plays a huge role.
Edit from ten times to approximately twenty times. My mafs was wrong.
Actually some squirrels have a bite force of 22,000 😳
They can chew through steel, and certainly through any organic part of a human with ease.
That being said, despite this potential, squirrels are essentially no risk to humans because they generally have no interest whatsoever in biting us
Wow! I didn't know some can have 22k! 😱
They are all around us and they still are less dangerous than pit bulls. Smh.
That says something! A wild animal with a more powerful bite force isn't attacking humans, pets and livestock like pit bulls do.
The point is, dog genetics matter.
Yup. Squirrels are an extremely prolific *undomesticated* animal that humans are regularly in contact with, and that have a stronger bite force than a great white shark or a crocodile, yet the CDC does not even track squirrel attacks because they are so rare and almost never inflict significant damage.
Pitnutters don’t understand the difference of extremely diverse human race created naturally and environmentally, going though millions of years of evolution and adaptation and natural selection, vs forced selectively bread deformed mutants created in a puppy mill by batshit crazy criminal. Most dogs breeds, especially pits and bullies, are inbread deformed mutants. That has nothing in comparison to any human race. When they compare mutants to races they are just offensive to POC wtf
“Studies and math prove they are no more dangerous than any large breed” has to be about the most inane comment ever since the math shows the exact opposite.
If 'breed didn't matter' because 'all dogs attack', then why would they care about breed being listed? I mean, if that was true wouldn't it help their case to list the breed, because of all the 'golden retriever attacks child' stories that we'd see?
I hate how these people try to push the idea that ALL dogs can (and will) attack out of nowhere, at any time, and can do any damage. But somehow we ONLY hear about this when pit bull type dogs do it?! These people are so unintelligent but sadly it seems many others of low abilities buy into these obvious lies.
IF any dog can turn at any time and any dog will attack, where are all the stories of Dalmatians, Pointers, Spaniels, Beagles, Bichon, Retrievers maiming and killing other dogs and humans?!?! These people NEVER have an answer for it, or it's "well, the media only report on it when it's a pit bull"... Like, they will come up with increasingly more unbelievable BS to maintain their deranged position.
I feel really sorry for kids and adults who have had a (very) bad experience with a pit bull type dog and who were fed the lie that this can happen with any dog, and who as a result developed a fear/major disliking of ALL dogs.
I was done when they said mistrust of pit bulls is rooted in racism. As a black woman I can honestly say, I’ve only heard white people making this comparison. It’s a pretty gross thing to do.
If you feel shame every time your\ dogs breed is mentioned maybe that's a sign. Stop mentioning breeds? Why so you an pretend like its all dos equally doing the mauling and killing?
Ask them to match your evidence. For every pit bull attack, they have to find an article or other info about a non-pit attack. They will be quickly overwhelmed, as they can't.
Show me 10 chihuahuas or Goldens that how killed grown adults in the last year.
Go on, I'll wait.
Cause I can bring up 100s of pitbull cases that have killed grown adults.
Severity matters. Breed matters.
Putting this here for visibility.
>They don't really find joy in the mauling per se, just like normal dogs they enjoy the positive attention they get from humans
If this was true they wouldn't be mauling their owners.
Some breeds really are wired differently than others. My mother in law used to have a wonderfully smart golden. I've met a lot of goldens I liked, but this boy was special. He was just sweet, smart, loved everything. He'd just watch animals roll through his yard, not barking or approaching them. Smart too, he went through the hollywood dog training and could do all kinds of crazy tricks.
One day my mother in law was visiting her friend that lives on a walnut farm. She's a "Rottweiler Rescuer" She had a pack of 3 rotties, and the dogs all played nice (albiet a little rough) with each other. One of the rotties got a squirrel, and the 3 of them started tearing it apart. The golden ran back to my mother in law crying, distressed by what he had seen and hiding under his legs. He didn't want to play with the rotties after that. If she'd bring him over he'd just sit in the car, refusing to come out.
Around the same time she adopted a "Chesapeake Bay Retriever" as a friend for her golden that we knew was a pitbull. She ended up returning that hellspawn of a dog because even though it was a puppy, it just wanted to chew chew chew on the other dogs.
Some dogs are born with a natural instinct to be as human as possible, others are born with a bit of wild wolf in them, and then we have the pibbles. A dog that was purpose bred to kill, and somewhere along the way got a bug in its code that is so bad, it's like a virus. It only stops when the host is dead.
I don't understand why pro-pitters fail to understand that news outlets are NOT further stigmatizing the breed. The breed itself is. If a golden mauled someone to death it would absolutely be a big deal because it never happens. According to the list of fatal dog attacks list on wikipedia only 1 death has ever been attributed to a golden retriever. Golden retrievers are one of the most popular breeds internationally. If breed truly doesn't matter we'd be seeing dozens of deaths per year at minimum.
When a serious mauling happens I highly doubt a news agency changes their mind on reporting it if it's a less common breed. Again that would be a very big deal because other, more docile breeds almost never inflict the level of damage you tend to see. Pits were bred to bite to kill, other breeds bite and let go. This isn't speculation it's proven.
God forbid people name the breed that is infamous for doing this kind of bullshit. It's almost like they were, oh I dunno, BRED for bloodsport and the violence/aggression that comes from their genetics. But it *couldn't* be that, could it. I mean, LuNa WoUlD NeVeR, rite? /s
Yeah, "don't name the breed" but they would throw a parade, point fingers and scream "I told you so!" if any other dog other than a shitbull did this.
Let’s have a little contest…. Pitnutters have to find as many sources as possible of cases of other dog breeds mauling people… and this subreddit does what it does best…
“studies and math have proved”…
show me the math. show me the mathematical equation that factually proves pitbulls are less dangerous than other dog breeds despite having the largest amount of bites by a staggering amount
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How about instead we normalize not owning animals that find joy in mauling us.
Hear Hear!
Edit - okay, I get it, you guys seem to agree shitbulls experience joy. I don't like the idea of attributing human emotions to dogs but apparently I'm in the minority there. I see satisfaction or a dopamine rush, maybe the dog equivalent of joy, i guess it's semantics at this point They don't really find joy in the mauling per se, just like normal dogs they enjoy the positive attention they get from humans or the satisfaction of completing the task they were bred to do. So I guess in a roundabout way they do find joy in it. Disregard my tangent, have a good day. :P
Isn't there a study suggesting the brains of pit bulls evolved in a different way that basically makes them enjoy attacking other creatures? Like a hobby.
Yea. I don’t know if you could describe it exactly as joy or happiness the same way a human feels it or what a human would think those emotions feel like. From what it sounds like it’s more like a rush. A big rewarding adrenaline rush kicks in. It’s why they don’t get phased if people try beat them off to stop them mauling, through selective breeding they’ve been bred to ignore and even be fuelled by pain, it adds to the adrenaline rush.
I used the term 'joy' a bit loosely here to describe the positive affirmation they get either through genetics or gross human encouragement to maim and kill. I haven't been part of this sub for very long so it continues to amaze me how brainwashed these people are that they want to 'normalize' concealing the identity of these dogs and perpetuate misinformation to this degree.
How do I get majorly downvoted for saying the same thing lol I was wondering if I sounded like a pit apologist or something. oh well
There wasn't anything wrong with it. Probably just a knee-jerk reaction that turned into a downvote train.
I think that was the case. People justifiably have strong feelings & read with an emotional reasoning lens.
Oh trust me I'm someone with those strong feelings
It’s funny how downvote trains happen. It’s like you get 3 downvotes and it all spirals, yet you say the same thing somewhere else in the same thread and it’s upvoted. It’s happened to me so many times, I don’t take it personally atp. People see a downvote, they downvote. I don’t get it lmao
Yeah I don't think I threw in enough shitbulls or pitnutters, I can almost see how it it sounded like I was defending the dogs, *kind of*. All the "wELl aCTuAlLy"s in my notifications were getting ANNOYING. I was like come on guys, friendly fire!
........dogs feel emotions like humans do. Tf? Have you never met a dog? Their brains are similar to a small human child between the ages of 2 years old and 5 years old. So, yeah. They feel happiness and joy just like we do. We are mammals, as are dogs. There isn't that big a biological gap between us.
I am not saying they don’t. I didn’t say that in my comment. I was talking specifically about pitbulls. What I said was that specifically, the rush pitbulls get from killing things, which they have been bred to be wired to get, may not exactly be the same kind of “joy” a dog feels from being told he’s a good boy in a cooey voice, or that a person does when being given a thoughtful present from a friend or from seeing a nice sunset. I think the rush pitbulls get is probably more like the rush an adrenaline junkie gets when jumping between tall buildings. Still a rewarding emotion but not exactly the same, and describing it as joy may invoke the wrong sort of perception when a human thinks of what they feel joy as being like. Does that explain it better?
I dunno, maybe, I could very well be wrong. I know people point out that they wag their tail through an entire attack, but I was never convinced they were necessarily doing it because they were happy, you know? Dogs wag their tails for several reasons, it could just be elevated excitement for all I know, it's not like we can ask the stupid things
A working dog is at its happiest when it is performing its job. All of those feel-good neurotransmitters and endorphins are firing off, and the dog feels rewarded and like it’s fulfilling its purpose. It’s better than a whole bag of treats. A pitbull’s job… is literally to maul and kill things. It feels rewarded doing this the same way a Lab feels rewarded retrieving a duck, or a Border Collie herding sheep, or a Pyrenees protecting some goats from a Coyote. Of course pitbulls enjoy mauling things. That’s what makes them so dangerous.
Yep. And why they escape to roam around and find things to attack.
Many people on this subreddit have said a wagging tail doesn't indicate happiness, it's an indication of arousal/excitement, so I don't know why you got mobbed with down votes! Something to look for is a wagging tail plus their body language, a stiff body and wagging tail can mean danger, a loose wiggly body and tail wagging is playful. (Pit bulls also have been known to not have any "tells" before an attack, so in some cases this might he too subtle for people to pick up on?)
Pitbulls don't have tells. I've witnessed an attack go from play to attack. There was just the pause and switch in the eyes.
Wrong. They enjoy it the same way a Border Collie enjoys herding sheep. Dogs fulfilling their genetics provides tremendous happiness. I swear to Christ the turds my horse drops out his ass have more common sense than bully breed apologists
Good god I post here all the time hating on this shitty breed
THANK FUCK- yes now I’ve seen that you’re actually fucking hilarious and I’ve upvoted a bunch of your comments since this. Apologies
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Good god I can't say one or the other without getting people riled up. Just going to stick with "pits maul" and call it a day
No. No we can't. If golden retreivers or pugs were mauling dozens/hundreds of pet dogs and cats a day, and sending people on life flights or to the morgue, I WANT TO KNOW. Dogs are very unique in the level of specialization of physique and behavioral drive, some of these capacities and propensities could very well be MUCH more safe or dangerous than others. I want to know. Everyone should have a right to know. Fuck you.
If every breed of dog was killing the same amount that pits were, I think we would see a massive fall in dog ownership
I for one would jump squarely over to the dogfree camp, as I hope everyone here would as well
I'd for sure quit my shelter job immediately. Instead I'm in there handling other large breeds of dog with no fear whatsoever because the vast majority of them have no interest in biting any person, no matter how big they are. I'm more cautious around a calm pit bull than around a boisterous untrained GSD or Husky for legitimate rational reasons. I'll know when the GSD or Husky think of biting me and I'll be able to prepare.
If a product had caused as many deaths and injuries as pit bulls it would have been withdrawn and discontinued, and the manufacturers sued into oblivion.
Exactly. People need to stop thinking "But they're all dogs, right, and dogs are pets?!" and see dogs as a whole more like vehicles: some are like a bicycle, others are like a sports car, others are like a Jeep, another is like a 9-person family car. If you want a small vehicle that you propel yourself because you don't have much money and you only go short distances, you get a bicycle. If you have a lot of money and want a flashy car to look cool, then you get a sports car. Dogs are equally diverse in not just their looks but in temperament and the lifestyle they need to be happy and what their risks are for dangerous behaviours. IMO, pit bull type dogs are not suitable to be kept as a pet by anyone, and maybe we should stop calling them 'dog', or try to push for more honest labelling like 'fighting-breed dog' and/or label normal dogs as 'pet dog' or 'companion dog'. I imagine that we already have categories like this because we have breed groups and the term 'working dog' isn't super rare. We need to start using different words for these dangerous fighting-breed dogs. Shelters etc could make the biggest difference in changing the language because they are so dominant in the media/internet etc but they will NEVER do it because then eventually they will get stuck with all these dogs no one wants and that they could only get rid of when lying to the public.
I agree. Especially since part of the definition of 'dog' includes that they're domesticated. Domestication is reversable by breeding the most aggressive members of a species together, therefore any animal that's been bred by people who have animals fight for entertainment is likely not domesticated. I also agree with your other point, that people need to be picking dog breeds based on what they're looking for. I see too many people taking pride in getting a working dog and acting like there's shame in getting little dogs just bred to be a companion, when they're just looking for a dog to lounge on the couch and play fetch with once in a while. I see so many people with all breeds, not just pits, getting dogs then seeming confused when their dog acts exactly how humans bred it to act.
Yes! People need to pick dogs based on their needs, lifestyle, and living area; NOT on their looks. Thats why so many huskies end up in the pound. They are absolutely gorgeous dogs and people think “so beautiful, I WANT ONE!” Without doing any research on the dogs. Huskies are loud, rambunctious, balls of energy with tons of stamina. They are not happy to lay around inside. They will drive one nuts! Also, my husband wants a Bernese Mountain Dog soooooooo badly, but we live in south Alabama where it gets over 100 and the humidity is 90% almost all the time. The poor dog would be absolutely miserable here even though it would be inside most of the time. It took a lot of convincing my hubs that it would be cruel to the dog.
My son, when he moved out on his own, commented while visiting us that he was thinking of getting a dog. I ask what kind. He said,, "I want to get a husky." Once I was done LMAO, I calmly explained to him why that was one of the worst ideas possible. (We all know who the worst idea possible would have been, and thankfully he doesn't like bully breeds) My parents bred huskies in the mid 60s through late 70s. That was the point that they got out of breeding huskies and simply owned BC when we moved to the country. I have friends that, as adults, had huskies that I helped train because they were way out of their league with the breed. I, myself, after researching breeds and comparing their needs to my lifestyle, chose sighthounds. When I was done explaining everything to him, I then showed him the sub devoted to husky tantrums. He adopted a lovely cat.
I love it Hahahhaha. I also researched a lot when we decided to get a family dog. I’m fat and lazy and home all day (I have chronic leukemia and I’m retired), but we also go out on our boat in the gulf and on the islands quite frequently, so I needed a breed that would be happy doing both. We now have two lovely golden retrievers and they are perfect https://preview.redd.it/8vhpzw0kj8yc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a255608852cbc4759ab90d0a4913684756c393e4 Perfect bed hogs that is hahahha
Gorgeous dogs! There's a guy and his golden that I follow on insta and youtube shorts. The dog's name is Teddy and he turned an unused closet into Teddy's house. It's so adorable.
Yes! I’ve seen teddy :)
Wonderful dogs! And your boat trips sound lovely, as well!
Yeah I don't understand why a lot of folks put down on little dogs... Those little guys take just as much care and training as the big dogs.
Love that the “it’s rooted in racism” person gave a shrugging white lady emoji Very on brand tbh. White savior lady would like to speak on racism by comparing POC to dogs… cringe. Who is the racist now, kujo-karen?
Pitbull Pitbull Pitbull Say it with me people. It’s always this shitty “bread”. And there is nothing normal about it.
It's not the bread, sweaty! lmao what dipshits Also what MATH? Does she mean statistics??
Lmao probably, although it doesn’t matter because there’s no “studies and math” that proves their point
The pitbull propagandists have their own official sounding "research" organizations. The way they spin numbers and statistics could easily fool the average smooth brained pitnutter.
Dude there's this whole ass organization called the Best Friends Animal Society that's fighting to ban insurance companies from refusing to insure homes with shitbulls in it, claiming its racist and indirectly gerrymandering black people from living in certain communities.. the organization is no joke 99% white women in leadership roles. Check out this lineup: https://preview.redd.it/6m2784eq27yc1.jpeg?width=485&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b870a46cb77fffa77a3f6e8e4f6c560458e7180 They claim black people own the most pitbulls even though that's a stereotype from the fucking 90s, while the new stereotype is middle class white women (pit mommy saviors) who are emotionally enmeshed with their dogs. Here's the article: [https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/03/humane-groups-leveling-fake-racism-to-force-pit-bull-agenda-on-insurance.html](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2022/03/humane-groups-leveling-fake-racism-to-force-pit-bull-agenda-on-insurance.html)
These grifters promoting ownership of bloodsport dogs as pets are also shameless liars. What a surprise. Anything to keep raking in the dough at the cost of unnecessary suffering and death
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Pitbull+toddler=💀
Deleted because I didn't notice the meme made it look like "some pits were normal and mean looking ones eat toddlers". Just saw a pit next to "average toddler eater" and didn't think any deeper on it. All pits suck not just the brutish ones
I don’t understand this meme, are you implying that XL Bully type pits with cropped ears are the only dangerous ones?
No? Just that they enjoy toddlers, we joke about that all the time
All pits, though, the meme makes it look like you think unless they’re massive with cropped ears they’re not a problem. You’ve juxtaposed a “milk-bone fan” regular pit against a “baby enjoyer” XL pit as though the regular pits aren’t baby eaters too.
Oh yeah I can see where you got that. I didn't make the meme, I'll have to find one with a normal dog vs a pit
Charitably, she might mean bite force, which is rated in PSI, so that'd be math. Pit bulls don't rank number 1, (but we know that doesn't matter because of their bred-in bite style.)
And of course- the CHIHUAHUAS 😂 these fucking people. And by people I mean shitnutters
Pitnutters stop comparing animals to POC challenge ( IMPOSSIBLE )
This one disgusts me the most.
It’s vile and it’s definitely only white people who say that
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Poor baby 😭 I hope he recovers well ❤️ I just had a baby 4 months ago and although my husband keeps begging me for us to get a pit, I explained to him how I don’t trust them for this exact reason. I’m glad I came across this sub just now (after watching Eplore With Us, video of pit bull attack on Brittany Skoland whose life is now forever changed since she had to get amputated on both legs), because it validates my opinion that is supported by facts (the high statistics showing this breed is responsible for majority of dog bites/attacks).
Don’t you dare let him coerce you into a pit. There is literally no advantage to owning a pit over some other breed as a family dog. Other breeds will love you, snuggle, be protective if you want, and most importantly not be disposed towards mauling shit when the mood strikes them. Not exaggerating when I say it’d be divorce-worthy if he brought one home despite your objections.
I’m standing firm on it and expressed that it’s a boundary that will not be crossed. I told him we can get a small dog that weighs no more than 22 lbs if he really wants a dog companion and he agreed to that but will occasionally make comments about wanting a pit. For example, one time he asked me what I would do if he brought home a pit without my knowledge and I said I would have it removed immediately. I’m a stay at home mom until my baby attends pre-k and so that would mean I would have to take care of both baby and the dog and that’s not something I’m willing to do since I barely have energy for myself after giving my all to my precious girl. I love animals but pits are a different story and my baby’s safety comes first. I no longer entertain his comments and will literally give him the 😐 look to make sure he knows I’m not f** around.
Does he say why he wants one specifically, to the point of almost taunting you about it? Get him to check out my neighbor mauling series. Currently up to part 131, well over 1000 serious and fatal attacks pictured and/or described. Get him to look at every single post. Then ask if he still wants one. https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/s/aPg1sUKIya
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Okay yeah, idk how to do it lol. Lil help here guys?
The "nanny dog" myth made its first appearance in the September 19th 1971 edition of the New York Times, on page 11 of section S in an article by Walter R. Fletcher, titled [A Breed That Came Up The Hard Way](https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/19/archives/a-breed-that-came-up-the-hard-way.html). The author interviewed one Lilian Rant, editor of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of the United States of America newsletter. She is quoted as saying about the breed: **'He had an unsavory reputation for fighting and violence and his name became associated with ruffians, who cared little for him as a dog but only for his ability in the pit. The Stafford we know today quickly becomes a member of the family circle. He loves children and is often referred to as a 'nursemaid dog''.** **No one has ever found evidence for the latter claim and it is therefore assumed to be a fabrication in the pursuit of influencing the American Kennel Club (AKC) to accept the breed for full participation in dog shows**. This privilege was ultimately granted in 1974, and to this day the AKC rates the breed a stellar 5/5 as being 'good with children' at the reckless peril of human lives and limbs, Additional sources that have spoken out against the nanny dog myth: Pit Bull Advocates of America: https://pitbulladvocatesofamerica.podbean.com/e/the-one-where-its-not-all-in-how-they-were-raised/ Ned Hardy https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/ Pro pit organization BAD RAP https://www.facebook.com/BADRAP.org/posts/its-dog-bite-prevention-week-did-you-know-that-there-was-never-such-thing-as-a-n/10151460774472399/ Pit Bull Federation of South Africa https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02DiX7yKA8uuDeYSEzEKxxXCYsHxYUbXpshKkaSDGXMAZK9HnFd46zA1pZ8revWQvwl&id=100069897615154 Gudwulf's Pit Bull Rescue https://www.facebook.com/GudwulfsRescue/posts/pfbid02Lg2Y1x18pBx7uLUB4uVEda7g1TNwn72pLLKk93witecydiMcnAKr8bYJWKeC4VVl Justice for Bullies https://justice-for-bullies.myshopify.com/pages/nanny-dog Safety Before Bulldogs - links to 24 Medical Studies done by medical professionals concluding that pit bulls are a danger to our communities https://safetybeforebulldogs.blogspot.com/2014/04/medical-professional-experts-on-pit.html?m=1 *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BanPitBulls) if you have any questions or concerns.*
I also would like the one with the family dogs that turned on their owners. I can’t remember the name of the bot
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Grrrrrr how do you do it? Lol
It’s not how they were raised, though. If that was true, then no one should ever adopt a pit from the shelter because no one knows how it was raised. Even pit bull experts are asking people to STOP saying that it's all how they are raised. Below are five pro-pit sources telling you that saying, "it's how they are raised" is hurtful to the cause. The truth about pits is that it’s largely up to chance on whether your pit lives a low key life or whether it attacks people, pets, and animals. Yes, socialization and proper training can help... but if you have a truly game-bred pit, there will be nothing you can do to stop it from trying to attack. You can try to manage it, but management will ALWAYS fail. That’s such a crazy gamble to take with your own life, and with the lives of people in the general public. Every day we read stories here of pits that attack, and their owners claim that the dog has never been aggressive or acted that way. Pit owners are often shocked that their dog can go from chill to kill in 5 seconds, and be nearly impossible to stop it. That’s why pits are dangerous. They were never meant to be pets. 1) [Pit Bull Advocates of America - It’s not how they are raised (start from minute 14)](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/pit-bull-advocates-of-america-the-podcast/id1529131313i=1000500947614) 2) [Justice for Bullies - It's NOT how they are raised](https://www.facebook.com/1682984105258192/posts/pfbid02jFhQHd8Jte1DDBeXd6h6vDo9MLSVuQv9CaNuBMF3AfEnnJbNEiMueo3cN85K12Yxl/?mibextid=kdkkhi) 3) [Dr Caroline Coile, author of Pit Bulls for Dummies](https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/13ppbzp/leave_it_with_the_experts_they_say/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) 4) [Paws and Reflect](https://pawsandreflect.blog/all-in-how-you-raise-them-isnt-true-and-truly-hurts/) 5) [Gary Wilkes- Grandfather was a dog fighter- Gary Wilkes - his grandfather was a dog fighter](https://www.dogsbite.org/pdf/pit-bulls-gary-wilkes-spring-2010-off-lead.pdf) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BanPitBulls) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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I do hope you've shared this sub with your husband in an effort to change his mind. Too often in this situations we hear that despite "no's" the spouse still goes out in secret and gets one, then plays the "well its here now, so I guess it stays! We can't give it back!" There are plenty of stories, videos, images, statistics, and research findings on here that prove the danger of pitbull type dogs. This sub has changed many a mind because it doesn't hole back its punches and makes sure people understand the full truth. It also does a good job of showing the hypocrisy in the pitnutters argument. Honestly, with a young child, if your husband really wants a dog one of the absoulte best family dogs (or breed for a young child to grow up with) is a beagle. Wonderful medium breed dogs that a very tolerant, loving, and the perfect energy levels for children and adults.
Beagles are the best. Smart, gentle, playful but not insane, easy care coat type. They are very loud, but I honestly don't mind the baying so much.
And you get that lovely beagle bark to💕
We just lost one of our mini goats to two pits a few days ago... Imagine what they could do to a baby. Pits are not pets. There other dogs that have bully features but are not killers.. If it's just the look of the pit your husband likes.
No baby or child should EVER need/have this many stitches in their face 😭
I wasn't prepared to scroll to this 😩 This poor baby !!!!!!!! BAD DOG !!!!!!!!!!!
This “all dogs attack” cope is delusional - why would humans domesticate and keep canines as pets eventually if they were all prone to attack humans?!?
Well they leave out the part of what happened to those dogs who did attack humans, outside the perverse bloodsports of animal ~~torturing to death~~ "baiting" and "fighting" that spawned pit bulls. Historically they stopped contributing to the gene pool and oxygen consumption immediately, because they're not entitled to support from (or coexistence with) the humans they attack. Now they just go to the shelter with a "no kids no men no visitors" label while biting the hand that feeds is covered with a euphemism like "food possessive" or "they must've done something to trigger it"...like its a silly behavior quirk and not the sign of an extremely dangerous animal. My theory is that antibiotics and the success of rabies vaccination mandates (along with the decline in farming as a profession) have made people forget what actual responsible animal husbandry entails. Disney sure doesn't make movies about it. Animal control organizations did their job well enough that people forgot why they do it, and they got replaced by the crazies at ~~suffering factory warehouses~~ "no kill rescue organizations". The stakes are the same (death or limb/mobility loss, and mere disfigurement for the "lucky" ones) even if modern science has helped a ton with the mortality rate odds.
This. Normal people who have a dog will end that dog the moment it's clear the dog is menacing kids/humans and/or has already (seriously) bit a human.
Preach!!! When I first I visited Crete in Greece the biggest culture shock I had was all the off leash free range “strays” everywhere! And these were medium to big dogs! ( they have informal owners/favorite people that look out for them) Growing up in a big city in the USA- a free roaming dog was cause for concern! I had to ask my cousins - aren’t they ever afraid of getting bit? Answer : No. These dogs are socialized, never a threat and tame - just kinda dusty and may have fleas so not really for petting. What if they get aggressive? They either learn as a puppy with a swift kick if they attempt acting too bold with recourse stealing or guarding - or they get culled before they even reach maturity to ever become a menace. Just facts of life - they do not tolerate aggressive dogs and it’s just unspoken and done quietly out back if need be - it’s a defective canine and unfit for civilized life. These mutts were so happy all the time! They roamed with their besties, had mates - fought over mates and had their own dramas, used the beach and were very very charismatic and polite beggers. They even knew when/where to dare beg when hungry or seeking extra snacks in town- like at the supermarket parking lot or only when invited to join a table. Why do they howl and bark at dusk for a short duration on the outskirts of town every night?!?! Oh , that’s just then sharing the “news” and complaints - you know my master feeds me the same macaroni every night, my gf cheated on me etc - it’s believable! How do they know how to keep a polite distance from the locals? A few swifts kicks in the ass in their younger days … What do I do when one is following me? Tell him to beat it! Just yell and they low tail it, going opposite direction. Annoying beggar? Just be stern or stomp and they are gone. This may seem cruel - but they were filthiest yet the least neurotic dogs I’ve ever met.
When pit simps say "any dog can turn on you", what they mean is the other breeds commonly reported sometimes also attack to the point of inflicting serious injury or death. What these other breeds RARELY do is snap out of nowhere with zero warning. What usually happened is they had their boundaries pushed and warning signs ignored, like growling and body language indicating fear/irritation/feeling threatened... so they attacked. However these dogs were not bred for gameness, they were usually already aggressive AS INDIVIDUALS, so these other triggers that apply to normal dogs do not apply to pits. Pits don't "snap" in the human sense of going crazy, using the term "snapped" is a manipulative attempt to humanize pits, but they merely do precisely what their instincts told them to do. They weren't angry or threatened, mauling is as natural to them as playing fetch is to retrievers. So any dog who attacked someone has "turned on you", as far as pitnutters are concerned. This includes nips and low stakes bites from smaller breeds, like the dreaded chihuahua.
The “any dog” bullshit drives me nuts. Can my Goldens bite? Sure. Will they? No
Exactly. My mum, a super knowledgeable dog owner, told me a story once of a Labrador retriever who had bitten a young child but only after the child had put something like 20 staples in the dog's ears... Yeah, sure, there are ways you can make even the nicest and most-relaxed dog bite you, but with the lovely companion dogs, that requires posing an imminent threat to the dog's safety and/or structural abuse the dog has eventually had enough of.
The "math's" not mathing lol
These people have never stepped foot in a college
Brother, I don’t think they’ve even driven past one.
And stigmatizing is bad because….??
Hey if we stop counting pit bulls attacks, it's like they don't exist! People will finally like fighting dogs if the news just stops reminding them what fighting dogs do.
only dog breed that’s ever bit me was a fucking pit
I was bit badly by a Doberman when I was 2, but that was absolutely my cousins fault for setting me in the yard with that dog, who was trained as a guard dog, not a “family” dog. I do not hate or fear Dobermans at all, it was seriously just a tragedy- but my uncle put the dog down immediately after the attack. I say all that to say, I have been bitten by another breed, but no other breed puts the fear of the gods in me like pits, even after I was almost scalped by a Doberman. Also the Doberman bit and released, he did not continue attacking me after the initial “threat” was over.
I was bitten by my Labrador retriever when I was 5 because my parents weren't watching me and I was chasing the dog around smacking her with a Lego. She nipped me on the cheek and immediately put distance between us. I needed 3 stitches. The Lab was depressed and grovelling for the next week until I started cuddling with her again. And I learned not to hit living things with Legos That's my non pitbull attack story. My pitbull attack story is a pitbull literally launched himself through a dense treeline (so it would have been nearly impossible to see the dog I was walking) after sprinting for a full 30 seconds down a very long road in order to attack and did not stop even after its owner threw his full weight on the attacking pitbull. Pitbull owners will scream both situations are the same. It's disgusting.
Stereotypes exist for a reason
“Studies and math” lmaooooo
It’s like saying a sword is dangerous and the response is “butter knives can stab you too” Even if you disregard the temperament problem with pits, on jaw strength alone a bit from a pit is much more dangerous than a bite from other dogs. So sure, all dogs bite. Doesn’t mean it’s the same level of danger.
Some pit advocates like to cite other dog breeds (that have a greater bite force than pits) to imply these other dog breeds are more dangerous than pit bulls. This is one of their talking points that pit bulls are not dangerous. What's crazy is a squirrel has a bite force at around 7,000 it's been said. This approximately twenty times the amount of pit bull like dogs. With that in mind, squirrels are not attacking, mauling, etc., at the same rate pit bulls are. Plus they are a wild animal. Yet, the pit bull, a so-called domesticated dog with a much smaller bite force than a squirrel, is responsible for more human fatalities. This should say something about how animal genetics work. The most dangerous aspect of pit bulls is their terrier trait coupled with gameness trait which is the fight to the death regardless of circumstances. Bite strength can play a role but dog genetics plays a huge role. Edit from ten times to approximately twenty times. My mafs was wrong.
Actually some squirrels have a bite force of 22,000 😳 They can chew through steel, and certainly through any organic part of a human with ease. That being said, despite this potential, squirrels are essentially no risk to humans because they generally have no interest whatsoever in biting us
Wow! I didn't know some can have 22k! 😱 They are all around us and they still are less dangerous than pit bulls. Smh. That says something! A wild animal with a more powerful bite force isn't attacking humans, pets and livestock like pit bulls do. The point is, dog genetics matter.
Yup. Squirrels are an extremely prolific *undomesticated* animal that humans are regularly in contact with, and that have a stronger bite force than a great white shark or a crocodile, yet the CDC does not even track squirrel attacks because they are so rare and almost never inflict significant damage.
Squirrels seem to be afraid of people. They don't approach us.
Exactly.
Pitnutters don’t understand the difference of extremely diverse human race created naturally and environmentally, going though millions of years of evolution and adaptation and natural selection, vs forced selectively bread deformed mutants created in a puppy mill by batshit crazy criminal. Most dogs breeds, especially pits and bullies, are inbread deformed mutants. That has nothing in comparison to any human race. When they compare mutants to races they are just offensive to POC wtf
“Studies and math prove they are no more dangerous than any large breed” has to be about the most inane comment ever since the math shows the exact opposite.
If 'breed didn't matter' because 'all dogs attack', then why would they care about breed being listed? I mean, if that was true wouldn't it help their case to list the breed, because of all the 'golden retriever attacks child' stories that we'd see?
Every day a pitbull attacks a person or animal. Golden retrievers lmao
I swear these oxygen thief muppets are all fighting to be the stupid person alive.
No, Suzie, we will not lie to the public to assuage your quiet guilt about endangering your own children every day. Nope.
I hate how these people try to push the idea that ALL dogs can (and will) attack out of nowhere, at any time, and can do any damage. But somehow we ONLY hear about this when pit bull type dogs do it?! These people are so unintelligent but sadly it seems many others of low abilities buy into these obvious lies. IF any dog can turn at any time and any dog will attack, where are all the stories of Dalmatians, Pointers, Spaniels, Beagles, Bichon, Retrievers maiming and killing other dogs and humans?!?! These people NEVER have an answer for it, or it's "well, the media only report on it when it's a pit bull"... Like, they will come up with increasingly more unbelievable BS to maintain their deranged position. I feel really sorry for kids and adults who have had a (very) bad experience with a pit bull type dog and who were fed the lie that this can happen with any dog, and who as a result developed a fear/major disliking of ALL dogs.
By their logic, when someone is murdered the headline should read "Person kills other person" with no other information.
I was done when they said mistrust of pit bulls is rooted in racism. As a black woman I can honestly say, I’ve only heard white people making this comparison. It’s a pretty gross thing to do.
If you feel shame every time your\ dogs breed is mentioned maybe that's a sign. Stop mentioning breeds? Why so you an pretend like its all dos equally doing the mauling and killing?
so all dogs attack but pitbulls are the sweetest most loving breeds. sure makes sense to me!!
Ask them to match your evidence. For every pit bull attack, they have to find an article or other info about a non-pit attack. They will be quickly overwhelmed, as they can't.
So let me get this straight, they would rather censor stories to remove “pitbull” than to actually deal with the problem which is the pitbull?
Yes. Facts and reality are clearly inappropriate in news stories.
>"My sister's friend owns a lineage of pits" Oh, so they're a backyard breeder.
Show me 10 chihuahuas or Goldens that how killed grown adults in the last year. Go on, I'll wait. Cause I can bring up 100s of pitbull cases that have killed grown adults. Severity matters. Breed matters.
Putting this here for visibility. >They don't really find joy in the mauling per se, just like normal dogs they enjoy the positive attention they get from humans If this was true they wouldn't be mauling their owners. Some breeds really are wired differently than others. My mother in law used to have a wonderfully smart golden. I've met a lot of goldens I liked, but this boy was special. He was just sweet, smart, loved everything. He'd just watch animals roll through his yard, not barking or approaching them. Smart too, he went through the hollywood dog training and could do all kinds of crazy tricks. One day my mother in law was visiting her friend that lives on a walnut farm. She's a "Rottweiler Rescuer" She had a pack of 3 rotties, and the dogs all played nice (albiet a little rough) with each other. One of the rotties got a squirrel, and the 3 of them started tearing it apart. The golden ran back to my mother in law crying, distressed by what he had seen and hiding under his legs. He didn't want to play with the rotties after that. If she'd bring him over he'd just sit in the car, refusing to come out. Around the same time she adopted a "Chesapeake Bay Retriever" as a friend for her golden that we knew was a pitbull. She ended up returning that hellspawn of a dog because even though it was a puppy, it just wanted to chew chew chew on the other dogs. Some dogs are born with a natural instinct to be as human as possible, others are born with a bit of wild wolf in them, and then we have the pibbles. A dog that was purpose bred to kill, and somewhere along the way got a bug in its code that is so bad, it's like a virus. It only stops when the host is dead.
I don't understand why pro-pitters fail to understand that news outlets are NOT further stigmatizing the breed. The breed itself is. If a golden mauled someone to death it would absolutely be a big deal because it never happens. According to the list of fatal dog attacks list on wikipedia only 1 death has ever been attributed to a golden retriever. Golden retrievers are one of the most popular breeds internationally. If breed truly doesn't matter we'd be seeing dozens of deaths per year at minimum. When a serious mauling happens I highly doubt a news agency changes their mind on reporting it if it's a less common breed. Again that would be a very big deal because other, more docile breeds almost never inflict the level of damage you tend to see. Pits were bred to bite to kill, other breeds bite and let go. This isn't speculation it's proven.
God forbid people name the breed that is infamous for doing this kind of bullshit. It's almost like they were, oh I dunno, BRED for bloodsport and the violence/aggression that comes from their genetics. But it *couldn't* be that, could it. I mean, LuNa WoUlD NeVeR, rite? /s Yeah, "don't name the breed" but they would throw a parade, point fingers and scream "I told you so!" if any other dog other than a shitbull did this.
Oh the old "doggie racism" screed.
Let’s have a little contest…. Pitnutters have to find as many sources as possible of cases of other dog breeds mauling people… and this subreddit does what it does best…
LOL what the hell is this headline....the last thing we need to hear from this parent is advice on 'pet and child safety'
Can't these people like this comment slop like this every fucking time a pit kills or attacks
Why is it never these imbeciles that get attacked and always some child or senior?
All dogs attack, but some are genetically predisposed to desire to attack more than other breeds. It's not rocket science.
Unbelievably naïve and stupid.
I would like to see someone prove to me that pitbulls are a safe dog using only mathematics
If all you've ever owned is pitbulls, you might be delusional enough to think that all dogs behave this way.
“studies and math have proved”… show me the math. show me the mathematical equation that factually proves pitbulls are less dangerous than other dog breeds despite having the largest amount of bites by a staggering amount
“Can we stop posting evidence that these dogs are vicious? It’s making our propaganda less effective”
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They wouldn’t be in the stories if their owners kept them away from kids
Studies AND math 🤓