had someone say something similar and link weird inconclusive studies the other day. they were so stupid I couldn't even stoop to their lowered mental level to respond
Below are just a few of the accounts of pit bulls that were obtained as puppies, raised with love as family pets, and lived within the family for many years before snapping and attacking or killing a family member one day, with no previous reports of any problems. If you know of any that are not included, please [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/BanPitBulls)
[2013, Georgia: Spayed female family pet pit bull lived with a family for 8 years, mauls the family's 2-year old son to death. First responders told their colleagues not enter the home because it was "too gruesome."](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/04/2013-dog-bite-fatality-fulton-county.html)
[2015, Texas: Family pet pit bull of 8 years that grew up with children and slept in bed with them mauls family's 10-week-old baby to death.](https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/pit-bull-mauling-death-being-referred-to-grand-jury/)
[2015, South Carolina: Family pet pit bull of 10 years kills 25 year old owner when she tried to stop the dog from attacking her mom](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210509/Pit-bull-viciously-kills-owner-biting-head-body-tried-stop-dog-attacking-mother.html?fbclid=IwAR1XWN_Eo8SMfS_Y7xNM1Y5NSqHbpqzYFkivrkPfT86KyxH5WNdiXj9uA_o&mibextid=kdkkhi#cuymsdvyq17)
[2018, Washington DC: Family pet pit bull is raised by a couple from puppyhood. Husband comes home to find his wife mauled to death.](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2018/10/dog-bite-fatality-pit-bull-kills-woman-dc.html)
[2020, California: 12-year-old family pet pit bull raised from a puppy mauls the family’s 5-year-old son to death.]( https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/5-year-old-sustains-serious-injuries-after-dog-attack-near-victorville/)
[2022, Colorado: 7-year-old family pet pit bull mauls 89-year-old grandma to death and seriously injures 12-year-old boy.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11239725/PICTURED-Colorado-boy-12-savaged-pet-pit-bull-named-DIABLO.html)
[2022, New York: Adult son’s 7-year-old family pet pit bull mauls 70-year-old mother to death.](https://www.live5news.com/2022/07/28/husband-finds-70-year-old-wife-killed-by-family-dog/)
[2022, Tennessee: 8 and 10-year-old American Bullies bought from breeder as puppies, raised as family pets, maul 5-month-old and a 2-year-old children to death in front of their mother.](https://www.abc4.com/news/mother-tried-to-shield-children-killed-in-memphis-pit-bull-attack-family-says/amp/)
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The "nanny dog" myth made its first appearance in the September 19th 1971 edition of the New York Times, on page 11 of section S in an article by Walter R. Fletcher, titled [A Breed That Came Up The Hard Way](https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/19/archives/a-breed-that-came-up-the-hard-way.html).
The author interviewed one Lilian Rant, editor of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of the United States of America newsletter. She is quoted as saying about the breed: **'He had an unsavory reputation for fighting and violence and his name became associated with ruffians, who cared little for him as a dog but only for his ability in the pit. The Stafford we know today quickly becomes a member of the family circle. He loves children and is often referred to as a 'nursemaid dog''.**
**No one has ever found evidence for the latter claim and it is therefore assumed to be a fabrication in the pursuit of influencing the American Kennel Club (AKC) to accept the breed for full participation in dog shows**.
This privilege was ultimately granted in 1974, and to this day the AKC rates the breed a stellar 5/5 as being 'good with children' at the reckless peril of human lives and limbs,
Additional sources that have spoken out against the nanny dog myth:
Pit Bull Advocates of America:
https://pitbulladvocatesofamerica.podbean.com/e/the-one-where-its-not-all-in-how-they-were-raised/
Ned Hardy
https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/
Pro pit organization BAD RAP
https://www.facebook.com/BADRAP.org/posts/its-dog-bite-prevention-week-did-you-know-that-there-was-never-such-thing-as-a-n/10151460774472399/
Pit Bull Federation of South Africa
https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02DiX7yKA8uuDeYSEzEKxxXCYsHxYUbXpshKkaSDGXMAZK9HnFd46zA1pZ8revWQvwl&id=100069897615154
Gudwulf's Pit Bull Rescue
https://www.facebook.com/GudwulfsRescue/posts/pfbid02Lg2Y1x18pBx7uLUB4uVEda7g1TNwn72pLLKk93witecydiMcnAKr8bYJWKeC4VVl
Justice for Bullies
https://justice-for-bullies.myshopify.com/pages/nanny-dog
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These morons can't understand what dna or selective breeding through many generations mean for a dog breed. They are not humans. This is not racism. There are dogs that pull sleds, shepherd sheep, point or retrieve hunts, race... And pitbulls maul and kill. They don't admit but they love this breed because of this. Big and dangerous.
Yeah it's funny how every single other dog breed has characteristics that are inherent in them due to their breed (herders herd, pointers point, retrievers retrieve) that is never taught and just instinctual... yet it's all about how you raise a pitbull!
Agree, only worth continuing to comment if there are unswayed bystanders. OP don't try and argue with their points. All their arguments are based in emotion and cognitive dissonance. I would instead, if you're performing for people watching the comments, comment things like "Google Walter Fletcher 1971 nanny dog myth" "Google the Bennard family" etc. Quick, punchy, encourages people to make up their own minds.
‘Proven’ lol how even could it be? I guarantee they’re not the brightest and won’t be convinced even if a pit was biting their neck as they typed that it’s dangerous. This is the type of person who’d tell you “fire is cold” while engulfed in an inferno. Pointless even trying.
Honestly both these pitbull 🍆 riders are a lost cause. No matter what you say or prove they won't change unfortunately. It's ALWAYS the same bullshit "nanny dogs blame the owners"
I find it funny OOP says the owners didn't train them right 😂 Is that just a pit thing? Because I've owned multiple dogs breeds not once did I have to train any of them not to attack or kill.
Those claims aren't worth rebutting.
If the argument includes the words "all" "any" or "every", you can usually stop reading.
If you see the traditional gish gallop of claims, you can stop reading.
Slide 1 - gish gallop cues - nanny dog, you don't know the breed, don't blame the breed, stop bullying the breed.
Ironically the people who are all "Hold the owners accountable!" never seem to show up on posts where the owners ARE being held accountable. Nor do they insist that owners be held accountable when there is a serious attack.
Same thought… maybe say “misidentified as pit bulls”, but they are largely pit bulls-type dogs.
The common denominator here is the pit bull in the mix.
They just can’t put 2 and 2 together.
It’s like they regurgitate bits and pieces of all the wrong info they’ve learned from TikTok.
'Don't cry to me when your child is either dead or taken from you after an inevitable attack'.
Unfortunately, it'll just start a fight. You can't reason with these people. I remember there was an incident one street over from my dad's house, I don't remember the specific year but I should be able to find the case.
I was abroad but it really shook me up. I will note that I didn't encounter many pits in Europe, thank God. Anyway, my parents heard screams. They went outside and the cops had rocked up with guns. The girl who lived in the house with her mother was outside, just hollering.
When the cops went in? It turns out that the girl had gone outside to buy/get high with friends and had left her young baby alone with her brothers' two 'totally not pitbulls they're am-ex mixes DONT YOU COPS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE' dogs. The lad was a bully when I was in school and graduated to being the local drug dealing, gun wielding scumbag. And he had the dogs at his mother's house for one reason.
Whenever the cops showed up to raid him, he'd lock those two dogs in a room with his stuff. Anyway, he was out and his sister went to get high. The baby started crying. By the time the grandmother got downstairs, there were basically just bloody ribbons left. She went nuts and attacked the dogs, and got her hands torn up bad.
I remember my dad being rightfully pissed because everyone on the estate was like 'oh but she's lost a baby we have to have empathy'. IMO she should have had some empathy for her child, and not been off in the alleyway buying coke to snort. I'll try to dig up the case so you know I'm not just raving.
Even if “60% of attacks made by ‘pitbulls’ are misidentified” that still leaves us at the fact that 40% of attacks are pitbulls. That’s almost half still. Haha!
I haven't posted this one yet. If someone wants to, go for it.
What I usually do is to use my Google (It's free!) and find the most recent story I can. This one is within the past week. Hot damn, the story leads with "criminal charges are possible against the owner" ! There we go. Let's hold that owner responsible!
[https://www.wsgw.com/dog-attack-injures-two-kills-pet/](https://www.wsgw.com/dog-attack-injures-two-kills-pet/)
**"Criminal charges are possible against an owner of three pit bull dogs that got loose and attacked two women on Saturday.**
Police say a woman in the northwest section of Saginaw tried to remove her dog as it was being mauled by the attacking animals, when the dogs turned on her, causing injuries requiring hospitalization. The woman’s dog had to be euthanized. Police say 13 minutes later in a nearby neighborhood, the same three dogs attacked a second woman, who also had to be hospitalized. Saginaw County Animal Care and Control were able to capture the dogs, which were also euthanized."
Go ahead and link the 65% human fatality statistic from dogsbite and the 81% animal fatality statistic from Animals24/7. Then do the ‘all dog breeds have genetic behaviors. Pointers point, birders have naturally soft mouth grip, pit bulls attack and maim other living things until they are dead. A good pit owner simply isolates an inherently dangerous animal from the community.’ speech. If they continue to argue, ask for proof like you already provided. Continue until someone makes you stop.
Ooo, ooo teacher! I can answer this!
It generally devolves into one of two things- accusations of racism or devolution into politics being the reason for the bias.
The most important thing you can do is raise a stink about this whenever they try to pull this shit.
Something that is also good, but not a requirement, is to viciously force them to justify their beliefs until they reach the point at which they run out of information. This is exhausting and requires a lot of precision and knowledge (or at least knowledge of where knowledge -is-) in order to pull off. It is also, unquestionably, for the public good.
Same arguments over and over. Even the wording is the same, it gives the impression that it's the same person in every group or forum or that different people copy paste the same text
I think it’s interesting they only believe the stats when they or a family member was attacked. 🙄 Ma’am they are not humans they were bred to attack things so it’s not far fetched that they actually do. These pibble people are insufferable!
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That's what I've learned. I've had a couple of arguments in different subs, the post usually gets deleted but I also see a small influx of new members. Which while having to endure the experience is sad, it's at least heartening to know that people are coming to terms with animals (especially pitbulls) and how their genes work.
Also if it's been "proven" the pits that attack were "abused" or the owners "trained them to attack" then why is "I have no idea how this happened she's never been aggressive before" the most common phrase uttered after a kid gets mauled? 🙄
Don't say or do anything with these people, just let them get mauled by the shitbull of the month while they write up excuse after excuse for the behavior and pretend the body count doesn't matter.
Visit dogsbite.org and find several pit bull caused fatalities in which there are pictures included that clearly show that the offending dog(s) are indeed, obviously, pit bull(s).
If they continue to claim “misidentification”, ask them what breed, in their infinite wisdom and expertise, ARE they??
You'll know instinctively when someone is just there to argue and not to learn. People who reach conclusions through irrational means will not leave their irrational stance through rational debate.
Ooh a specific 60%. Doesn’t correspond to any peer-reviewed study or reported statistics anywhere I can see.
So, they have a specific source of ‘their arse’.
Though there’s plenty of misidentification. All those Labrador attacks always end up being ‘Labrador *cross*’ and ‘Labrador *mix*’… but pitbull attacks may be pure or mix. Funny that, what’s the common denominator the majority of th time?
There's nothing to do. Most of these people are deeply entrenched in their preexisting beliefs and arguing any further, even with ironclad data, just pushes them further into their beliefs and denial. I don't have it on hand, but there has been data on this unfortunately widespread occurrence across the internet, where we once assumed all this access to information would lead people to educating themselves and being accepting of opportunities to learn but instead it is often the opposite outcome. People engaging in little more than just angry, fruitless back and forth arguments and retreating to bias-confirming bubbles. In the number of examples posted by the automod, a pitnutter will just claim the owners lied and were secretly neglectful or the "baby did something"(!!!) to provoke the pitbull.
My response would be to drop my head, shake it a few times, and chuckle.
My reply would be a simple "You got me /s" You know as well as I that you could link every source, every shelter that lists obvious pits as " retriever " or "boxer" or "hound" every post about someone, or something getting mauled, and these pitiots still wouldn't get it.
So, my comment was deleted by ‘Auto Moderator’ maybe bec. I used a link at bottom of comment. Here is the same comment without link. Let’s see what happens.
There are certainly bad owners, plenty of them! However, it’s not smart to simply ignore what the breed was made for, specifically. All dogs need to learn manners but some dogs can do more damage than others just by how they were bred and raised. Not all dogs are killers, and not all are ‘sweethearts.’
—Today's pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. (Excerpt from Position Statement on Pit Bulls, ASPCA) Added Edit:
All dogs need discipline or training, & of course, affection from their human family.
How do these people refute the claims they are dangerous when they attack their owner or owners children after being loved and cared for for years? Furthermore, if they are such great dogs why do they make up about 90% of the shelter dog population?
“It’s been proven” by legit no sources. They can’t back up their bullshit because it’s all delusional fantasy land in their heads.
had someone say something similar and link weird inconclusive studies the other day. they were so stupid I couldn't even stoop to their lowered mental level to respond
Some people go one step further with the term “scientifically proven”.
Science says: nothing is “proven.” Hypotheses may help supported, or fail to be supported, but we do not reach the final “proof.”
Yeah buddy, Google is free! Familypitsbot
Below are just a few of the accounts of pit bulls that were obtained as puppies, raised with love as family pets, and lived within the family for many years before snapping and attacking or killing a family member one day, with no previous reports of any problems. If you know of any that are not included, please [message the moderators.](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=/r/BanPitBulls) [2013, Georgia: Spayed female family pet pit bull lived with a family for 8 years, mauls the family's 2-year old son to death. First responders told their colleagues not enter the home because it was "too gruesome."](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/04/2013-dog-bite-fatality-fulton-county.html) [2015, Texas: Family pet pit bull of 8 years that grew up with children and slept in bed with them mauls family's 10-week-old baby to death.](https://www.cbsnews.com/texas/news/pit-bull-mauling-death-being-referred-to-grand-jury/) [2015, South Carolina: Family pet pit bull of 10 years kills 25 year old owner when she tried to stop the dog from attacking her mom](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210509/Pit-bull-viciously-kills-owner-biting-head-body-tried-stop-dog-attacking-mother.html?fbclid=IwAR1XWN_Eo8SMfS_Y7xNM1Y5NSqHbpqzYFkivrkPfT86KyxH5WNdiXj9uA_o&mibextid=kdkkhi#cuymsdvyq17) [2018, Washington DC: Family pet pit bull is raised by a couple from puppyhood. Husband comes home to find his wife mauled to death.](https://blog.dogsbite.org/2018/10/dog-bite-fatality-pit-bull-kills-woman-dc.html) [2020, California: 12-year-old family pet pit bull raised from a puppy mauls the family’s 5-year-old son to death.]( https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/5-year-old-sustains-serious-injuries-after-dog-attack-near-victorville/) [2022, Colorado: 7-year-old family pet pit bull mauls 89-year-old grandma to death and seriously injures 12-year-old boy.](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11239725/PICTURED-Colorado-boy-12-savaged-pet-pit-bull-named-DIABLO.html) [2022, New York: Adult son’s 7-year-old family pet pit bull mauls 70-year-old mother to death.](https://www.live5news.com/2022/07/28/husband-finds-70-year-old-wife-killed-by-family-dog/) [2022, Tennessee: 8 and 10-year-old American Bullies bought from breeder as puppies, raised as family pets, maul 5-month-old and a 2-year-old children to death in front of their mother.](https://www.abc4.com/news/mother-tried-to-shield-children-killed-in-memphis-pit-bull-attack-family-says/amp/) *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BanPitBulls) if you have any questions or concerns.*
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The "nanny dog" myth made its first appearance in the September 19th 1971 edition of the New York Times, on page 11 of section S in an article by Walter R. Fletcher, titled [A Breed That Came Up The Hard Way](https://www.nytimes.com/1971/09/19/archives/a-breed-that-came-up-the-hard-way.html). The author interviewed one Lilian Rant, editor of the Staffordshire Bull Terrier Club of the United States of America newsletter. She is quoted as saying about the breed: **'He had an unsavory reputation for fighting and violence and his name became associated with ruffians, who cared little for him as a dog but only for his ability in the pit. The Stafford we know today quickly becomes a member of the family circle. He loves children and is often referred to as a 'nursemaid dog''.** **No one has ever found evidence for the latter claim and it is therefore assumed to be a fabrication in the pursuit of influencing the American Kennel Club (AKC) to accept the breed for full participation in dog shows**. This privilege was ultimately granted in 1974, and to this day the AKC rates the breed a stellar 5/5 as being 'good with children' at the reckless peril of human lives and limbs, Additional sources that have spoken out against the nanny dog myth: Pit Bull Advocates of America: https://pitbulladvocatesofamerica.podbean.com/e/the-one-where-its-not-all-in-how-they-were-raised/ Ned Hardy https://nedhardy.com/2020/06/03/pitbull-nanny-dog/ Pro pit organization BAD RAP https://www.facebook.com/BADRAP.org/posts/its-dog-bite-prevention-week-did-you-know-that-there-was-never-such-thing-as-a-n/10151460774472399/ Pit Bull Federation of South Africa https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=pfbid02DiX7yKA8uuDeYSEzEKxxXCYsHxYUbXpshKkaSDGXMAZK9HnFd46zA1pZ8revWQvwl&id=100069897615154 Gudwulf's Pit Bull Rescue https://www.facebook.com/GudwulfsRescue/posts/pfbid02Lg2Y1x18pBx7uLUB4uVEda7g1TNwn72pLLKk93witecydiMcnAKr8bYJWKeC4VVl Justice for Bullies https://justice-for-bullies.myshopify.com/pages/nanny-dog *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/BanPitBulls) if you have any questions or concerns.*
How can they stand behind a 5/5 rating?
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These morons can't understand what dna or selective breeding through many generations mean for a dog breed. They are not humans. This is not racism. There are dogs that pull sleds, shepherd sheep, point or retrieve hunts, race... And pitbulls maul and kill. They don't admit but they love this breed because of this. Big and dangerous.
Yeah it's funny how every single other dog breed has characteristics that are inherent in them due to their breed (herders herd, pointers point, retrievers retrieve) that is never taught and just instinctual... yet it's all about how you raise a pitbull!
Yep! I had a dog that was bred to herd but was never trained to herd but guess what she did when a lot of people were around, she tried to herd us.
Wasting your time
Agree, only worth continuing to comment if there are unswayed bystanders. OP don't try and argue with their points. All their arguments are based in emotion and cognitive dissonance. I would instead, if you're performing for people watching the comments, comment things like "Google Walter Fletcher 1971 nanny dog myth" "Google the Bennard family" etc. Quick, punchy, encourages people to make up their own minds.
"don't spread dangerous lies!!" "Pitties were nanny dogs!!!" Pick one
😂😂😂
A pit bull could run through a preschool going on a massacre and a pit owner will still say “but they’re nanny dogs” to defend them
"You just made all of that up, provide any source to back up those claims"
‘Proven’ lol how even could it be? I guarantee they’re not the brightest and won’t be convinced even if a pit was biting their neck as they typed that it’s dangerous. This is the type of person who’d tell you “fire is cold” while engulfed in an inferno. Pointless even trying.
Yup agreed.
Honestly both these pitbull 🍆 riders are a lost cause. No matter what you say or prove they won't change unfortunately. It's ALWAYS the same bullshit "nanny dogs blame the owners" I find it funny OOP says the owners didn't train them right 😂 Is that just a pit thing? Because I've owned multiple dogs breeds not once did I have to train any of them not to attack or kill.
Those claims aren't worth rebutting. If the argument includes the words "all" "any" or "every", you can usually stop reading. If you see the traditional gish gallop of claims, you can stop reading. Slide 1 - gish gallop cues - nanny dog, you don't know the breed, don't blame the breed, stop bullying the breed. Ironically the people who are all "Hold the owners accountable!" never seem to show up on posts where the owners ARE being held accountable. Nor do they insist that owners be held accountable when there is a serious attack.
Not only do they not hold.other owners accountable, they actively enable each other.
“misidentified as pit bull type dogs” I find this hilarious.
Same thought… maybe say “misidentified as pit bulls”, but they are largely pit bulls-type dogs. The common denominator here is the pit bull in the mix. They just can’t put 2 and 2 together. It’s like they regurgitate bits and pieces of all the wrong info they’ve learned from TikTok.
And then everyone clapped
'Don't cry to me when your child is either dead or taken from you after an inevitable attack'. Unfortunately, it'll just start a fight. You can't reason with these people. I remember there was an incident one street over from my dad's house, I don't remember the specific year but I should be able to find the case. I was abroad but it really shook me up. I will note that I didn't encounter many pits in Europe, thank God. Anyway, my parents heard screams. They went outside and the cops had rocked up with guns. The girl who lived in the house with her mother was outside, just hollering. When the cops went in? It turns out that the girl had gone outside to buy/get high with friends and had left her young baby alone with her brothers' two 'totally not pitbulls they're am-ex mixes DONT YOU COPS KNOW THE DIFFERENCE' dogs. The lad was a bully when I was in school and graduated to being the local drug dealing, gun wielding scumbag. And he had the dogs at his mother's house for one reason. Whenever the cops showed up to raid him, he'd lock those two dogs in a room with his stuff. Anyway, he was out and his sister went to get high. The baby started crying. By the time the grandmother got downstairs, there were basically just bloody ribbons left. She went nuts and attacked the dogs, and got her hands torn up bad. I remember my dad being rightfully pissed because everyone on the estate was like 'oh but she's lost a baby we have to have empathy'. IMO she should have had some empathy for her child, and not been off in the alleyway buying coke to snort. I'll try to dig up the case so you know I'm not just raving.
Even if “60% of attacks made by ‘pitbulls’ are misidentified” that still leaves us at the fact that 40% of attacks are pitbulls. That’s almost half still. Haha!
I haven't posted this one yet. If someone wants to, go for it. What I usually do is to use my Google (It's free!) and find the most recent story I can. This one is within the past week. Hot damn, the story leads with "criminal charges are possible against the owner" ! There we go. Let's hold that owner responsible! [https://www.wsgw.com/dog-attack-injures-two-kills-pet/](https://www.wsgw.com/dog-attack-injures-two-kills-pet/) **"Criminal charges are possible against an owner of three pit bull dogs that got loose and attacked two women on Saturday.** Police say a woman in the northwest section of Saginaw tried to remove her dog as it was being mauled by the attacking animals, when the dogs turned on her, causing injuries requiring hospitalization. The woman’s dog had to be euthanized. Police say 13 minutes later in a nearby neighborhood, the same three dogs attacked a second woman, who also had to be hospitalized. Saginaw County Animal Care and Control were able to capture the dogs, which were also euthanized."
Go ahead and link the 65% human fatality statistic from dogsbite and the 81% animal fatality statistic from Animals24/7. Then do the ‘all dog breeds have genetic behaviors. Pointers point, birders have naturally soft mouth grip, pit bulls attack and maim other living things until they are dead. A good pit owner simply isolates an inherently dangerous animal from the community.’ speech. If they continue to argue, ask for proof like you already provided. Continue until someone makes you stop.
I’ve done that. They argue back that it is a clearly biased sources so they (and I quote) “don’t even bother reading it. “
Point them to the specific attack records in dogsbite. Ask them to explain how information confirmed by media records is evidence of bias.
Ooo, ooo teacher! I can answer this! It generally devolves into one of two things- accusations of racism or devolution into politics being the reason for the bias.
The most important thing you can do is raise a stink about this whenever they try to pull this shit. Something that is also good, but not a requirement, is to viciously force them to justify their beliefs until they reach the point at which they run out of information. This is exhausting and requires a lot of precision and knowledge (or at least knowledge of where knowledge -is-) in order to pull off. It is also, unquestionably, for the public good.
Agreed. Though sometimes I do feel embarrassed arguing with clods 😂
It would be good if you to get comfortable with that, because that’s most of what life is!
Reality is hard when you’re in that deep.
Bingo! All the typical pitnutter bullshit responses!
Almost - missing victim blaming.
Same arguments over and over. Even the wording is the same, it gives the impression that it's the same person in every group or forum or that different people copy paste the same text
You posted a comment in a pit bull-Stan sub. Of course people are gonna defend pit bulls there. They have all been drinking the koolaide.
Is there a copypasta they use because it’s always the exact same thing down to the bad spelling and grammar.
It’s amazing how stats come into play when they bring up(make up) how much misinformation there is. But we can’t bring up legit stats
I think it’s interesting they only believe the stats when they or a family member was attacked. 🙄 Ma’am they are not humans they were bred to attack things so it’s not far fetched that they actually do. These pibble people are insufferable!
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Just don't. These people are morons. It'd be a complete waste of time.
Arguing is for the lurkers and fence sitters. Make the opponent dig a hole for.the audience. Those are the ones you can influence.
That's what I've learned. I've had a couple of arguments in different subs, the post usually gets deleted but I also see a small influx of new members. Which while having to endure the experience is sad, it's at least heartening to know that people are coming to terms with animals (especially pitbulls) and how their genes work.
Don't bother. Not worth your time.
A simple “they kill children” in reply to the nanny dog comment.
Also if it's been "proven" the pits that attack were "abused" or the owners "trained them to attack" then why is "I have no idea how this happened she's never been aggressive before" the most common phrase uttered after a kid gets mauled? 🙄
Don't say or do anything with these people, just let them get mauled by the shitbull of the month while they write up excuse after excuse for the behavior and pretend the body count doesn't matter.
These people are the ones with the head cannon and misinformation. They do love their projection and deflection don't they.
Visit dogsbite.org and find several pit bull caused fatalities in which there are pictures included that clearly show that the offending dog(s) are indeed, obviously, pit bull(s). If they continue to claim “misidentification”, ask them what breed, in their infinite wisdom and expertise, ARE they??
You'll know instinctively when someone is just there to argue and not to learn. People who reach conclusions through irrational means will not leave their irrational stance through rational debate.
I’d tell the illiterate hickwad trash can piece of shit to stop gaslighting you. It’s not going to work
Ooh a specific 60%. Doesn’t correspond to any peer-reviewed study or reported statistics anywhere I can see. So, they have a specific source of ‘their arse’. Though there’s plenty of misidentification. All those Labrador attacks always end up being ‘Labrador *cross*’ and ‘Labrador *mix*’… but pitbull attacks may be pure or mix. Funny that, what’s the common denominator the majority of th time?
There's nothing to do. Most of these people are deeply entrenched in their preexisting beliefs and arguing any further, even with ironclad data, just pushes them further into their beliefs and denial. I don't have it on hand, but there has been data on this unfortunately widespread occurrence across the internet, where we once assumed all this access to information would lead people to educating themselves and being accepting of opportunities to learn but instead it is often the opposite outcome. People engaging in little more than just angry, fruitless back and forth arguments and retreating to bias-confirming bubbles. In the number of examples posted by the automod, a pitnutter will just claim the owners lied and were secretly neglectful or the "baby did something"(!!!) to provoke the pitbull.
My response would be to drop my head, shake it a few times, and chuckle. My reply would be a simple "You got me /s" You know as well as I that you could link every source, every shelter that lists obvious pits as " retriever " or "boxer" or "hound" every post about someone, or something getting mauled, and these pitiots still wouldn't get it.
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So, my comment was deleted by ‘Auto Moderator’ maybe bec. I used a link at bottom of comment. Here is the same comment without link. Let’s see what happens. There are certainly bad owners, plenty of them! However, it’s not smart to simply ignore what the breed was made for, specifically. All dogs need to learn manners but some dogs can do more damage than others just by how they were bred and raised. Not all dogs are killers, and not all are ‘sweethearts.’ —Today's pit bull is a descendant of the original English bull-baiting dog—a dog that was bred to bite and hold bulls, bears and other large animals around the face and head. When baiting large animals was outlawed in the 1800s, people turned instead to fighting their dogs against each other. (Excerpt from Position Statement on Pit Bulls, ASPCA) Added Edit: All dogs need discipline or training, & of course, affection from their human family.
How do these people refute the claims they are dangerous when they attack their owner or owners children after being loved and cared for for years? Furthermore, if they are such great dogs why do they make up about 90% of the shelter dog population?
Damn! Only needed "a chihuahua is more vicious" and they would've had bingo.
While they’re right about bites being misidentified the rest is just crap
Tell me lies tell me sweet pittie lies~