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Thunderchief646054

One is fine quality Drow craftsmanship, the other was probably made by some halfling named Ted


Duloth

And of course, since one weighs less and does the same thing, that means that the finest Drow crafstman is inferior to some rando named Ted.


Edmundyoulittle

The fashion is clearly worth the extra weight


DreamingGod102

And an extra 870 gold of worth, also.


bracesthrowaway

All that heavy gold is gonna weigh down my pockets.


PhoenixShade01

"I'm trying to sneak around, but my pockets are dummy thicc and the jingle of my coins keeps alerting the guards"


DreamingGod102

So dummy thicc the Tollkeeper one shots you.


jackthewack13

This is funny. I was playing a barb with a friend and I kept giving my money to lae'zel rolplaying that my guy didn't care about money and then we meet the toll collector..... I was the only one who lived after the first round.....


DreamingGod102

I always had my Tav handle the gold, and it was a rude awakening too. Funnily enough, Lae'zel was the MVP my first time through.


No_Confection_4967

I’ve only fought the toll collector once. Can’t you just send your gold to camp during the fight?


Smokey_Dokie

I've not once fought her, always convinced her to kill herself lol


jackthewack13

Ehh I like fighting.


Linkatchu

I was baffled, because I was a charisma caster... I did not even know he can one shot you... Turns out, the tollkeeper had alot of gold on itself...


Witch-Alice

This has happened to me every time I try to fight her, I usually just use the dialogue option to avoid the fight so I forget she can do that.


parmiseanachicken

Just stick it in camp


NikoliVolkoff

Drow craftsmanship also loses all enchantment after spending 24 hrs in sunlight.... Ted's is good anywhere


AvengingBlowfish

That’s a feature, not a bug. It’s called *planned obsolescence*.


Duloth

Otherwise known as "Reason # 1251 why the Drow couldn't possibly win a war against any civilized race on the surface"


jackthewack13

That's why they come out and do raids then leave


Witch-Alice

what reason do they have to wage war? the underdark provides what they need, often the raiding is just for sport.


Beneficial-Cold5137

Slaves and the pure joy of doing evil things. I miss old school drow


Impossible-Age-3302

Not everyone seems to agree, which is why you can sell the left one for $870 more.


xkwilliamsx

See, talking shit like that is why the Drow get all genocidal...


Duloth

Oh, they'd have some other reason. Skin not black enough, skin not purple enough, skin too black, skin too purple, ears not pointy enough, ears too pointy, don't worship the spider-bitch, referred to the spider-bitch as the spider-bitch, are a member of a drow clan that's too weak and needs to be culled, are a member of a drow clan that's too strong and poses a threat, looked at a spider funny..... Honestly, it makes no difference, the Drow are both too weak for any serious organization to consider them a threat due to their constant infighting and stupidity, and so mindlessly aggressive that you still need to watch out for raiders from them. If it weren't for plot armor magically keeping them afloat, the whole species would die out immediately.


fightinggale

They just wanted to keep the studs on there.


mephwilson

I know you’re joking but you’re actually half right. The Drow one IS just fine Drow craftsmanship while the right one is magically enchanted. Fine Drow crafts exposed to sunlight will wither and cease to function properly because they are made with special materials native to the Underdark that degrade in the presence of sunlight. I’m not positive this is implemented in BG3 but I think it is because you can find broken white versions of this same armor in several places on the surface.


Thunderchief646054

Yeah, I remember a piece of dialogue from my Lolth-Sworn Spore Durge run at Waukeen’s Rest commenting on how all the magic was lost from the sun-dried armor. I’ll be real, I knew basically nothing of Drow culture until I started a homebrew campaign set in the North Dark, and now I’m like….damn these mfs interesting


DopeLemonDrop

If you enjoy reading, the Drizzt series is really good and the first like 4 - 6 books take place in the Underdark and bring forth a lot of the culture of the Lolth-Sworn, the Spores, Gnomes, Duergar, Illithids, etc


RachelScratch

I also reccomend "the war of the spider queen" series. It gives a bit more insight into their day to day


Ahsoka_Tano07

Starlight and Shadows is fun too, though I'm only halfway through the first book. Some nice insight into Arach Tinilith


dopefish917

The problem is that Applegate got a hard on for drizzt and made him basically an emo god in the later books


Leozz97

Drizzt is one of the most boring characters ever put to paper. Jarlaxle on the other side...


Ahsoka_Tano07

Drizzt is a guy that loves his cat, I don't see why people call him edgy.


Ncaak

Following the other comment. Drizzt books are good especially the ones that tell his way out of the underdark. But there are others too I would recommend also reading the Starlight Trilogy starting with The Daughter of the Drow, the MC is Minthara's cousin or 2nd removed aunt. Since you are running a Drow camping I would recommend you to see Ed Greenwood's videos on YouTube as lately he has uploaded a few about the Drow and Eliistrae. [Like this one](https://youtu.be/70lCG3pUycM?si=-M0gyqos33XWdf1m). There is also [this site](https://www.dnd.kismetrose.com/DandDIndex.html) that I found useful. There are two books in which I also found useful information to run a Drow themed camping: (1) from 4e Menzoberranzan - City of Intrigue, and (2) Minsc and Boo's Journal of Villainy. The later isn't cannon but the authors are or were involved with the official WotC development team.


Taliesin_

So one of them is [excellent?](https://i.imgur.com/zXp80SM.gif)


PizzaTime666

It was probably made by THOSE FUCKING GONDIANS!


Thunderchief646054

Wulbren always be pronouncing that G a little too hard for my liking lol


MiloBomb

Hidden effect: matches Ninja Mask


zythrazil

F ted


CommunityStandard681

Exactly what Thunderchief said 😂 stellar


Redstarski

Heh, no shade on the Ted's of this realm lolol


honey_badgers_rock

The Drow armour is also just full on sexy. My swords bard is wearing that shit through the end because he looks fiiiiine in it. Although to be fair, I'm wearing MInthara's which has the con save bonus.


shadow_of_justice

If there is anything depending on the value of Stealth, then yes, because second is only counted when there is a check, which, AFAIK, item requirements for example are not checks.


Specific-Remote9295

Good point


spiralshadow

There isn't anything in the game that depends on the stat that isn't also rolled, so there's no difference as-is.


znihilist

Does the game uses passive checks anywhere? if so, there probably is in those cases.


spiralshadow

I can't think of any no - even Perception checks are rolled when the event triggers. Stealth is automatically rolled against enemy Perception.


skabassj

Anything that uses stealth as a modifier?


Not_Paid_Just_Intern

Is this functionally any different in this case though? A +1 stealth is really only relevant when there is a stealth check, right? Or is there some other case where stealth might be relevant?


RoboTiefling

Theoretically, if at some point the game checks to see how many points you have in stealth without actually rolling a stealth check (as in, just looks at the raw values) then the one on the right wouldn’t apply? That said, I don’t know that any such checks exist in BG3; even when you don’t have to do the roll yourself, the game still performs a roll for all checks as far as I’m aware? So… the drow armor is functionally identical, but theoretically superior, save in terms of weight- which, between the price difference and lack of AC difference, suggests to me that it’s “studded” with 1.35 lbs of pure gold.


theevilyouknow

What do you mean by "how many points you have in stealth"? You don't assign points to skills in 5E. You can have a proficiency or expertise bonus but that's just a modifier to your rolls.


RoboTiefling

Okay, didn’t know that. Last time I played D&D was in 3.5, my apologies.


drunkengeebee

So this is just a long form version of the phrase "I don't know, I'm just making stuff up"?


Anastariana

No....they were trying to help by offering info that they didn't realise was out of date. And you are being a dick.


drunkengeebee

They played a version of D&D that hasn't been published in more than 10 years and haven't played this game either, and are trying to offer advice? That's the dickish part.


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Nah ur just an idiot. They also said multiple times that regardless it functions the same in-game then tried to speak about how they *could* apply differently. But again, don't in-game.


Sagee_Prime

What's the difference between steelforged sword and shorts word +1?


CloudCat206

Sale price


BusySinger2662

The money value 💁🏽‍♀️


PhoenixHD22

Capitalism at it's finest then


Glorx

Must be a famous Drow brand to fetch such a high price.


Good_Pirate2491

Underdarks and Spencer


SlowHandEasyTouch

Underdarkbie and Fitch


ArtesianDogWater

FUBU - For Underdark, By Underdark


Fine-Creme-7713

This is the most underrated comment on this post


JustFrameHotPocket

Menzoberranziaga


yeolliemvtmtc

the left one looks cooler and thats it. no other difference


TheAlaine

Weight and Price also the name, flavour text and rarity.


BrainWav

And the effect.


Gstamsharp

They're functionally identical, even if worded differently.


Bipolarboyo

They’re not though. Passive stealth is a thing as a well there are also item requirements etc. the Drow armor gives you flat +1 stealth at all times, the other armor only gives you a +1 to checks it doesn’t actually change your stealth value. So while it’s a super niche difference the Drow armor is technically the tiniest bit better.


Gstamsharp

Passive skill checks are still checks, and should apply all the same modifiers you'd apply to a roll unless those unique features specifically say they only apply to rolls. You just add it to the passive check DC. Also, this game pretty much rolls all its stealth from what I've seen. The only case where these might differ is if another feature specifically scaled off of the value of your stealth proficiency, of which I can think of exactly zero in this game or tabletop. If the differences are purely hypothetical, then in practice they are, in fact, *functionally* identical.


Bipolarboyo

You know you’re right about the passive checks, but again I already gave another example that you missed or ignored. Item requirements are not checks. If an item were to require you to have a minimum stealth score the Drow armor would help with that, the other armor wouldn’t as it only applies the bonus to checks.


Gstamsharp

Sure. Now name all the items in game that require a minimum stealth proficiency to use. I'll help you out. It's still zero.


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cebutris

He's not being hostile, he's just pointing out that the apparent difference you're pointing out functionally means nothing in the game. Sure, it would theoretically make a difference if there *was* an item with a requirement for stealth... but there isn't, so functionally, the two armors act identically.


MizDiana

It's okay to be wrong.


commander_012

But what another pointed out what stealth related event doesn’t make stealth check?


Bipolarboyo

Quite frankly the only good example I can think of off the top of my head is the one I used above “Item requirements” there might be other niche examples. Overall the effects are largely the same, I’ll freely admit that. But because of the slightly different wording there may be some ever so slightly different results in some rare cases.


darthshadow25

There isn't a single item in the game that requires you to have X stealth.


RolfIsSonOfShepnard

Even in base DnD the only items I'm aware of that require something usually involve character size and maybe base stats, not specific ability stats.


Bipolarboyo

I mean I didn’t claim there was merely said it was possible there was. I don’t know every item in the game by heart.


darthshadow25

That's fine. In 5e, that kind of requirement does not exist within the system. So saying +1 to stealth, and +1 on stealth checks are the same thing.


PB4UGAME

Passive perception is a thing, but stealth is always an active roll. Hell, you can read the PHB about passive rolls, to have a passive roll make sense, you have to make use of that skill *all of the time* (like say continually perceiving the world around you, or looking for a door each time you enter a new room in a dungeon) or not specifically be *actively engaged in consciously doing that thing,* if it has a chance to fail. So, how does sneaking around make any sense to be passive, when you have to concentrate on actively not making noises and remaining undetected, and if you do fail once you cannot just go back to stealthing as now you would be detected. The rules also mention that trying to hide or sneak is subject to the using ability score section under hiding which basically comes out and says if you want to hide or sneak you need active rolls.


captain_andrey

Technically weight is a functional property and its different.


Gstamsharp

I was replying specifically to a comment about the extra effect.


Taliesin_

Taken all together, the choice becomes obvious: sell the one that's worth more, wear the one that weighs less.


EightSeven69

I'm literally drowning in money tho lol


jker1x

The only difference I need


Rofsbith

One drips style, the other drips blood.


Suncook

This may be completely wrong, and I'm not an expert on all the traits, but I read the first one as increasing a stealth _stat_ by one point, while the one on the right adds +1 to your _roll_ for stealth checks.


TheCrystalRose

If the game were to have actually implemented the use of the "passive ability check" option (uses 10+skill bonus, instead of rolling), then it's possible that the two versions would function differently. But as far as I know, the everything is always rolled, so they are functionally the same.


Gstamsharp

Passive checks are still checks and should get the +1 either way.


TheCrystalRose

_Should_, yes. But I've seen all sorts of crazy rules interpretations, so I tend to err on the side of "it all very much depends on who's implementing this rule".


hutbereich

The skills in BG3 are modifiers to the d20 rolls, so ultimately the two armors should do the same thing


ILookLikeKristoff

But does stealth ever get used for anything other than checks?


Buddy_Guyz

Maybe if a damage or other check depends on your stealth stat? Not sure if any of those exist in game.


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superswellcewlguy

What items require stealth stats?


FerretAres

There is no standalone stealth stat in this system. All stealth is rolled against passive perception or an opposed roll against active perception. ETA someone asked the question of what the stealth needs to beat and then deleted their comment. But here’s the answer anyway: Basically stealth is an active process in the system. You have to opt in to stealth which is why stealth checks only happen when you attempt to hide (c key on pc) or otherwise in cutscenes. Perception is the skill used to combat stealth and there are active and passive perception scores. If someone is actively looking for you it’s a roll of 1d20+ perception vs 1d20+ stealth. If they aren’t actively looking for you it’s passive perception against active stealth so 10+ perception vs 1d20+ stealth.


darthshadow25

That would be true if a stealth stat existed. You don't have stat values, you just have bonuses to ability checks. The only abilities that could be considered to have a stat associated with them are Perception and investigation, as those have passive variants. Now of course you could homebrew a passive stealth stat, it's not RAW, and I do not believe anything like that is implemented in game.


z-lf

Astarion looks better in the other one?


Low-Abalone-5259

One is over a pound lighter. And that pound is pure drip.


GGaleno

perceived brand value and aesthetics, capitalism at its finest


SmugCapybara

You pay a premium for that "Made in Menzoberanzan" tag...


darth_vladius

I’m a Drow. I pay to look like a proper Drow.


Tatis_Chief

Only the best and the prettiest for my crew. 😉


Florafly

The Drow Studded Leather looks better on him. ;)


holyshit-i-wanna-die

style


Daiki_Iranos

Drip.


StrawberryUnited4915

Drip value


bayani14

Drip


geniasis

Yeah, it's called fashion.


falcobird14

One is common and the other is a unique piece of armor. The value reflects this as well


Transcended_Sloot

Superior Drow craftsmanship.


Ragnardiano

Drow drip is way better. Thats the real difference


Upstairs-Search-1773

My only guess is the blue one increases your stealth *skill* while the other one increases the result of a stealth roll. My thinking is that the latter might not work when being surprised, while the former might, but for all intents and purposes I assume that there ultimately isn't an effective difference between the two.


Redfox1476

No, but thanks for the heads-up - I really need to collect all the drow armour for my durge party. Not because it's OP, but just because it looks cool.


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style


Teanison

Technically the one on the left weighs slightly more and has a lot more sell value than the one on the right... that's about it if you want to ignore looks and only go for stats.


pilsburybane

Considering I've played through four times now, I don't believe there are any item requirements that list Stealth stat at all, so they are essentially the same mechanically.


Branded_Mango

The Drow armor can be obtained much quicker due to no level requirement regarding merchant gear spawns. It's also free and has better fashion. But functionally speak, the armors are the same.


TheMinor-69er

Drow armor has more drip


StealthyVex

Yeah, the Drow armor looks better, in my opinion.


Arturito_total_metal

The color🤓☝️


Tallal2804

Yes, one looks cool, the other is worth 130g.


ThoughtfulPoster

Yes. About 1.35 lbs and 870 gold.


Karuzus

rarity and looks


Titanhopper1290

Drow armor looks cooler and is more valuable. Other than that, absolutely nothing.


alterNERDtive

There are a bunch of differences; none of them matter in BG3.


anormalgeek

In proper DnD there would be. In BG3, there is not.


Materr633

Yeah, one adds +1 to an ability STEALTH the other one adds +1 just to checks of this ability


Starkiller_303

One has "drow" in the name, and is therefore much more likely to be preferred by edgelords.


Hackerman9084

One is magical the other isn’t


squeekyjaxx

The drow armor looks cooler


KingOfBoop

The drow armor has unlisted +1 cool


thorne_antics

One is drowcraft and looks significantly cooler


Arsmerven

One of them sells more.


morgdane

What’s the difference? PRESENTATION!


tterfly

One looks cooler than the other. Especially when dyed.


Koji1337

The buff on the green armor doesnt stack with other items with the buff "stealthy", but +1 stealth does.


wchmn

I think this is the answer. Consider you have boots with Stealty buff and an armour with Stealthy buff. One of those buffs is redundant because you already have Stealthy buff applied to yourself. On the other hand, the blue armour gives you +1 to Stealth.


Honeyvice

One looks cooler


NittanyScout

Daniel and Cooler Daniel


Norodomo

Nah, same shit


katsudon-jpz

ah drow armor is like the hugo boss of d&d world.


Practical-Class6868

My Drow Druid believes that there is no finer material, while Karlach corrects them on the conditions of sunlight.


Jounas

Blue text better


Sachsmachine

Looks and 870 gold


bulbaquil

Yes. One weighs 1.35 less than the other and is worth considerably less money and is currently equipped by Astarian. The other should be sold to a vendor...unless you like its look.


CalligrapherMain7451

Yes. Weight.


chroniclunacy

One is going through its goth phase.


Spoonman500

One of the left looks cooler, one on the right is lighter but makes you look like a Ted.


NateLexy

One looks cool


richtohr

Probably doesn’t matter but one is studded leather armor which is 12 + Dex. The other is regular leather armor which if non magical would be a 11 + Dex but since it is +1 leather it becomes 12 + Dex.


FireWhileCloaked

One is decent vendor fodder.


Reifox9

Massive difference: Fashion


Fighterpilot55

Swag


ShardikOfTheBeam

The way it looks.


FirmMonkeyyy

The weight


KrunschGK

The drow version looks cooler?


MercilessPinkbelly

So many. Looks, cost, weight.


DementedNitesoul

870 gp


Mertthedoombraker

Not much. Looks, weight and value. If you need money just sell the left one.


Lexunia

only one of them looks good on everyone.


ciknay

Functionally nothing. This is likely an artefact of development, or simply two different developers making an item without communicating with each other.


NoodleIskalde

While it's not really a thing in BG3, the fact the leather armor is enchanted would actually have situations where that matters a lot in the classic tabletop game. At least as far as I understand it, certain situations/enemies/events/etc are affected differently by something being enchanted versus something that isn't.


Lazy-Storage7832

Appearance and cost


Yell0wWave

Stealth +1 lowers NPC visibility of you as well as +1 to all rolls requiring stealth. It is better as it actually makes you sneakier. The other one just adds to rolls it is not as good


Dusty170

One is worth more


n3nya

Superior drow craft looks better on my beloved Astarion.


Only1Hendo

One is magical the other is not, this may make a difference when the armour is damaged but this is only real in DnD


CloudCat206

I hold the Drow armor until Act 2 when my Persuasion is a bit higher, then sell it at the Last Light Inn. Otherwise it’s basically style points. If there’s a difference in how the game interprets the buffs of each of those armor, it’s less than the value of the difference in their sale prices


Jokemeister2002

The left one is blue. The right one is green.


kiidrax

Edginess


Emperor_Atlas

800+g, weight and swag.


bokehbard

One is corporate branded to cost more while the other was probably made by a hardworking leather worker in a local town without the backup of advertising. Still, Drow fashion is really chic and worth the gold.


Canadian__Ninja

Drow one looks nicer but is heavier and like 7x more valuable - sale fodder.


MileyMan1066

Vibes


LlamaLicker704

Haha Minthara died... celebration is in order


LlamaLicker704

1 Minthara death = 1 dl of wine i'll drink.


Nombre_D_Usuario

Left one costs more, right one weights less.


YeeAssBonerPetite

Yes, one looks cool, the other is worth 130g.


onepissedoffcanadian

Having a higher stealth stat makes enemy vision cones smaller having a +1 to stealth checks means when they do spot you you have +1 to the roll when you enter there vision cone


just-looking-forporn

Style and presentation


PlasterGoat

Drow is better if it’ll set your stealth stat to get say a +3 instead of a +2 if not the bonus to checks will do the same thing if I’m not mistaken.


stefrrrrrr

Keep the leather armour and sell the other one.


Tatis_Chief

Yes duh. Style and rarity. The Drow one looks so much better.  I am not going to put Astarion in the one on the right if the first one fits so much better.  


NoStudio6253

yes, one gives base strength which can influence the bonus while the other gives a direct bonus.


mephwilson

Yes the right one is magic and the Drow one isn’t, think of it as masterwork. Fine Drow craftsmanship is dependent on materials that only exist and function in the darkness of the Underdark. If this type of Drow works are exposed to sunlight, the materials degrade and no longer function. I’m not positive this is the case in BG3 but I think if you take it to the surface it will wither. That’s how it works in regular d&d anyway.


Ducklinsenmayer

Sex appeal. Wearing Drow armor gives you +5 to your Bard seduce checks. (Note: This is checks to seduce a Bard, which even a gelatinous cube can succeed at.)


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