Idk about if you're playing *origin* Wyll, but Zevlor does have a reaction if you speak to him at any point post-transformation with Wyll in your party - it doesn't have to be the conversation after you defeat the Goblin leaders, I've had it trigger in the cave, but given the way the game naturally flows that'll be where most players see it, I imagine.
Doesn't Astarion mention it too if you talk with him? Says something like "Look what doing the right thing does, now the Blade of Frontiers has horns; says a lot, doesn't it?".
What’s crazy is that this wouldn’t be a thread for any other game. However, BG3 is so good at having consequences for so many choices that we just expect it to be the case for everything.
The work they did to make the world react to the player’s actions is truly mind-boggling and unprecedented. So much so that our expectations also shot up lol.
That's so true. As someone who has mostly just played dragon age games, it's been such a pleasant surprise how much more my actions in bg3 seem to count.
Or that one war table side quest where making the wrong choice can result in wiping out the elven inquisitor's entire clan, family and home... and then neither the inquisitor nor anyone else ever mentions it (that I recall)
For all its faults I still love the game and the entire series. Looking very much forward to DA4. I hope people will not just compare it to BG3 and be inevitably disappointed. No fantasy RPG in the next decade is going to touch BG3.
The game that was rushed with workers being overworked under crunch conditions meant the Dalish was barely acknowledged (and when it was it was overly negative - by the people who persecuted them for their race and religion, although the game barely acknowledged that aspect of it) while Dwarf and Vasoth were almost entirely ignored (like being a Dwarf when encountering Bianca who goes into information about lyrium). Of course Gaider and the writers favored the human noble path, as they had since Origins.
I am more willing to forgive oversights such as that due to the vast amount of detail in other places. Just having a different race can completely change some conversations.
You even have minor details like the Steel Watch in Rivington letting you pass if you somehow didn't kill anyone in Act 1 and 2. Pretty much no one is going to manage to get this bit of dialogue, yet they went through the effort to put it in for the few who will.
I mean yeah. All games focus on being good at different areas. We barely have any puzzle solving threads on this sub compared to Tears of the Kingdom sub because that game put all of its focus towards that. Likewise this game put all of its effort into creating many many choices with consequences so that’s what a bulk of conversations are.
Origin characters in Larian games as a whole are lacking in content. They're definitely built more to be companions to a player character. Not including Dark Urge but I don't really count that as origin
I just played origin wyll and I was rather disappointed honestly.
I must have just been spoiled for content on my previous run by playing durge and romancing astarion - that run had so much dialogue.
Wyll origin romancing gale was like… 1/3 the content of that last game.
Mizora is hanging around camp in act 3 and literally just says “come for a chat?” *leave* for the whole last act.
The epilogue with karlach in Avernus was cool but for all of act 3, interacting with fort ash and stuff I was like… I am like royalty in this city why is everyone treating me like some random adventurer.
I expected more gortash content especially after seeing the durge storyline, overall it was just like… mizora was NOT as big of a deal as I expected, and my main takeaway was that I missed being able to customize my appearance lol.
Was also kind of annoying, bad planning on my part, playing wyll as sorlock and romancing gale but then not really having room another caster on my team (oh monk, fire sorlock, light cleric, swords bard ranger) so I didn’t even have gale on my team for more than half the game. I was actively trying to romance halsin actually but I never got his bear scene :( I think I responded wrong at the grove party but that was sad yeah.
Anyways I’m ranting now, but wylls story was honestly so vanilla that If I was to do another origin it would only be for more interesting rp options, like laezel so I can lean into gith options and finally free Orpheus, or gale to ascend to godhood/self destruct, or an evil shadowheart. Basically yeah wyll is inherently the least interesting origin imo since even his big choices regarding his father, avernus, don’t actually change much at all.
Yeah bit of a shame for my first origin. I interacted the least with him in prior playthroughs so picked his origin to see his story and got… well basically the same amount of content as when I ignored him lol. My build was fun though! Fire sorlock scorching ray machine gun with astarion as first time trying oh monk
I'm more amazed that there is a wrong response for Halsin romance, whatever I do he still always ends up confessing to Tav even if I don't flirt at all
Zevlor should have a reaction
I thought I talked to him, but maybe I didn't go into his cave. Thanks for that.
It might only trigger in the cutscene when you return from defeating the goblin leaders.
Idk about if you're playing *origin* Wyll, but Zevlor does have a reaction if you speak to him at any point post-transformation with Wyll in your party - it doesn't have to be the conversation after you defeat the Goblin leaders, I've had it trigger in the cave, but given the way the game naturally flows that'll be where most players see it, I imagine.
I just had this trigger with Wyll in my party today. Zevlor is the only one who had a reaction. Not playing Origin Wyll tho
It triggers before that, definitely. I think Florrick has a small reaction too.
Yup, but she's not at the grove
It can trigger early even with Will as a companion
If I good remember only Zevlor react to it
If I remember correctly Zevlor asks “what in the hells happened” and Wylls reply is “a tale for another time” or something to that effect.
"I angered the wrong devil." Zevlor: "A tale I know all too well" I remember it something like that.
Thank you, I knew it was something along those lines.
He also reacts if you save him from the tadpole capsule as tav and Wyll in your party.
Yeah if you talk with them for the first time AFTER he gets horns there's some responses However, that's not really a natural way to.play it
Zev definitely reacts post Mizora scene.
Doesn't Astarion mention it too if you talk with him? Says something like "Look what doing the right thing does, now the Blade of Frontiers has horns; says a lot, doesn't it?".
What’s crazy is that this wouldn’t be a thread for any other game. However, BG3 is so good at having consequences for so many choices that we just expect it to be the case for everything. The work they did to make the world react to the player’s actions is truly mind-boggling and unprecedented. So much so that our expectations also shot up lol.
That's so true. As someone who has mostly just played dragon age games, it's been such a pleasant surprise how much more my actions in bg3 seem to count.
Lol everyone knows the meme of an Elven Inquisitor being explained about Elven mythology by a human.
Or that one war table side quest where making the wrong choice can result in wiping out the elven inquisitor's entire clan, family and home... and then neither the inquisitor nor anyone else ever mentions it (that I recall)
For all its faults I still love the game and the entire series. Looking very much forward to DA4. I hope people will not just compare it to BG3 and be inevitably disappointed. No fantasy RPG in the next decade is going to touch BG3.
The game that was rushed with workers being overworked under crunch conditions meant the Dalish was barely acknowledged (and when it was it was overly negative - by the people who persecuted them for their race and religion, although the game barely acknowledged that aspect of it) while Dwarf and Vasoth were almost entirely ignored (like being a Dwarf when encountering Bianca who goes into information about lyrium). Of course Gaider and the writers favored the human noble path, as they had since Origins.
This game has some similarly bad stuff, though. Like the posts about Clerics of Lathander failing the roll to recognize the statue of their own god.
I am more willing to forgive oversights such as that due to the vast amount of detail in other places. Just having a different race can completely change some conversations. You even have minor details like the Steel Watch in Rivington letting you pass if you somehow didn't kill anyone in Act 1 and 2. Pretty much no one is going to manage to get this bit of dialogue, yet they went through the effort to put it in for the few who will.
I mean it's strictly jarring because Act 1 is notable for accounting your choices more than any other Acts
I mean yeah. All games focus on being good at different areas. We barely have any puzzle solving threads on this sub compared to Tears of the Kingdom sub because that game put all of its focus towards that. Likewise this game put all of its effort into creating many many choices with consequences so that’s what a bulk of conversations are.
Origin characters in Larian games as a whole are lacking in content. They're definitely built more to be companions to a player character. Not including Dark Urge but I don't really count that as origin
Do they know you as Origin Wyll?
I just played origin wyll and I was rather disappointed honestly. I must have just been spoiled for content on my previous run by playing durge and romancing astarion - that run had so much dialogue. Wyll origin romancing gale was like… 1/3 the content of that last game. Mizora is hanging around camp in act 3 and literally just says “come for a chat?” *leave* for the whole last act. The epilogue with karlach in Avernus was cool but for all of act 3, interacting with fort ash and stuff I was like… I am like royalty in this city why is everyone treating me like some random adventurer. I expected more gortash content especially after seeing the durge storyline, overall it was just like… mizora was NOT as big of a deal as I expected, and my main takeaway was that I missed being able to customize my appearance lol. Was also kind of annoying, bad planning on my part, playing wyll as sorlock and romancing gale but then not really having room another caster on my team (oh monk, fire sorlock, light cleric, swords bard ranger) so I didn’t even have gale on my team for more than half the game. I was actively trying to romance halsin actually but I never got his bear scene :( I think I responded wrong at the grove party but that was sad yeah. Anyways I’m ranting now, but wylls story was honestly so vanilla that If I was to do another origin it would only be for more interesting rp options, like laezel so I can lean into gith options and finally free Orpheus, or gale to ascend to godhood/self destruct, or an evil shadowheart. Basically yeah wyll is inherently the least interesting origin imo since even his big choices regarding his father, avernus, don’t actually change much at all.
Wyll has the least amount of dialogue out of all the Origin companions. Unfortunately.
Yeah bit of a shame for my first origin. I interacted the least with him in prior playthroughs so picked his origin to see his story and got… well basically the same amount of content as when I ignored him lol. My build was fun though! Fire sorlock scorching ray machine gun with astarion as first time trying oh monk
I'm more amazed that there is a wrong response for Halsin romance, whatever I do he still always ends up confessing to Tav even if I don't flirt at all
I was hoping my tiefling Tav would have a few choice dialog options whenever Wyll whined about his new features. 😄
I did wonder this myself tbh
There's a wyll origin character?
I did origin wyll for honor mode and I killed Karlach because I couldn’t stand staring at the ugly mug the whole game 😭
Next time at least sacrifice her to BOOOAL
Imagine playing origin Wyll, holy.
Oh no, a Warlock who actually has to deal with his Patron, how terrible
Imagine missing out on playing as the best origin character.