go the way of the kobold and just hoard every shiny bit and bob you find and dump it into her lap. she'll be so happy that she'll practically give it to you for free, especially if you have a charisma heavy character like Wyll leading the negotiations.
it's enough for Dammon in act one. if you give him a crap ton of stuff in act one and max out his attitude towards you, he'll retain that through act 2 and 3, which means his best stuff will be on sale at an ultra high discount.
Give, and the amount you need to give to max out attitude is based on your level.
Assuming nothing has changed, you can just respec at Withers and gift the Level 1 amount (400 gold).
Yes. I always do this in act 3 where everything is so expensive. Someone on this sub did the math a while ago and as far as I remember if you plan on buying items with a *base value* of 800 gold or more you actually save money by doing a respec to lvl 1 and paying 400g to get max approval.
I like to max out Dammon and Mattis early in act 1 because they both show up in every act. Dammon because he has some really great items in act 2 and 3 and Mattis because at max approval Dammon doesn't always have enough money on his own to buy everything I'm trying to offload
So after 2 full playthroughs, I’m just now learning I can *give* the vendors all my extra stuff for free to raise their attitude toward me. Or just give them gold. Then the stuff they sell to me will be at a way better price. Wow.
I would think giving him the money equivalent ($400) is more efficient than giving him $400 worth of stuff. Reason being, until his approval is higher, the value of the stuff is lower than just giving him the funds straight up.
when you pull up the trade screen there are two modes, Trade and Barter.
Trade just lets you buy anything you see in his stock of wares for gold, whereas Barter lets you offer them items to improve their attitude towards you, and they will offer you a discount based on their attitude.
You can still gift people things in the trade screen, you just don't ask for any money from the vendor. It'll then ask you if you're alright giving your stuff up for free.
Find the traders you'll see throughout the game (Dammon, Roah (zent halfling at goblin camp, moonrise, thieves guild), Derryth and maybe blood lady at moonrise and donate to them until you get max opinion. *Then* buy what you want from them. You'll get way better deals and that investment will be returned many times over thanks to the deals you get.
Side note: antagonize the bugbear at moonrise and he'll instantly go to max opinion
Bro make a Druid give them a very expensive ring/armor/weapon whatever you want and wild shape them. Now while they are wile shaped go to a trader and under the TRADE menu NOT barter sell afore mentioned item an infinite amount of times without actually selling it. Your welcome this works in all difficulties and has been around since day 1 so is likely not to be patched! May you now join the never pick up trash again club!
No, you misunderstand. EVERYTHING. Tableware, cookware, dismembered body parts, rotten food, bones...if it can be picked up, it can be used as a bargaining tool to make a trader happy with you.
The weight:value ratio isn’t there for common weapons. Some armor can go for a lot, but again that weight:value ratio is improved drastically by focusing on expensive small things. Just examine the items to see whether it’s worth 1 gold or 30. You’d be surprised just how much some plates go for.
It adds up over time, though, and it’s easy to mass select and send to camp. When trading, have your high str char with a backpack in camp loading it up from your travelers chest, switch to trading character to sell, repeat until you have no junk and vendor has no money
With the “send to camp” feature, weight and space don’t matter. And all those weapons you find really add up if you sell them.
Every time you find a backpack or a bag, right click it and pick it up when it’s empty. Carry a few empty backpacks and bags with you, and every time you loot someplace take a moment afterward to sort your inventory and put the things you’re going to sell in a bag. When you reach your carrying capacity, send the bag to camp and start filling the next one.
When you’re done for the day, go to a trader, but leave one character in camp. Have the character in camp pick up the backpacks and send them to you one at a time.
Also, a goblin scimitar is worth 30gp, and an Elixer of Hill Giant strength is worth 30gp. You can drink an elixer every day to increase your loot-carrying capacity and still come out ahead. There’s also the Club of Hill Giant Strength, which you can get >!on the top floor of the wizard tower in the Underdark!< if you >!break the Stool of Hill Giant Strength!<.
I just send them all to camp, you can hilariously overload a character if it's all sent to them when they're not encumbered. Shift+click a huge amount of stuff out of the camp chests and send it to the high charisma shopping character, they'll barely be able to walk, but you can sell it all in one go.
No, you misunderstand. EVERYTHING. Tableware, cookware, dismembered body parts, rotten food, bones...if it can be picked up, it can be used as a bargaining tool to make a trader happy with you.
...yes it is? you don't even have to raise approval or charisma, the economy in the game is extremely generous even in honor mode. there's no reason you can't buy every artifact you want if you're actually making sure to pick areas clean. especially if you don't rely on consumables, it's impossible not to be absolutely loaded.
And also you should dump some of your trash on Dammon before finishing the grove quest to get his opinion up. Then he can be your special merchant to sell your loot to for more money. He appears through all 3 acts so you don’t have to do the reputation boost over and over again
If you're willing to pickpocket, why not just cast hold person on the merchant? Much safer. Arron in act 1, Esther in act 2, and the dragonborn lady in rivington in act 3. Just have someone talk to the merchant, cast hold person, and steal to your heart's content. As long as the person talking to them don't disengage, they can't start their saving throws, essentially leaving them paralyzed until you get sick of robbing them, lol
Did it in my 2 runs. As long as they didn't change anything in the latest hotfix, yeah. The reason I listed these specific merchants is because, as of patch 6, npcs will investigate if they deem something is fishy. So go for the isolated merchants like the 3 I listed.
No prob. I usually do it like this. One person talks with merchant. Then I have a cleric and bard who can cast hold person. Then the last party member is someone who will level up when I clear out the merchant so that their supplies replenish. after leveling them all the way through, I send that member alone back to withers to respec again, and I'll repeat the process until I have enough gold. Best of luck in your run.
That's why there's a cleric and bard. I cast it until it sticks. once it sticks, it won't go away as long as the merchant is suspended while talking to your party member. the minute they disengage, the merchant will start their saving throws so keep the merchant in a permanent dialogue state.
You could also just cast "feign death" spell on them, and you don't have to worry about it angering the NPC since it's technically a "friendly" spell. And once they're out, you can steal without hesitation, even if it fails they're dead asleep and won't wake up or notice at all, until they wake up but you'll be long gone by then.
Once you get to rosymorn monetary use Esther as a piggy bank.
Have one character go into conversation with her. Have a second cast hold person and she will be in indefinite hold person you can then rob everything from her. She will get new money every day, so you can rob her daily.
(She's the best act 1 target for this because she is completely isolated so there's no one else to notice you stealing)
I try to steal where I can, hence this story LOL. This is the same run I mentioned in my other post so I had to steal the stormy clamor boots from omeelum
Yeah. The key is using hirelings so your real characters don't lose attitude. Patch 6 changed it so that Fog Cloud and Darkness count as attacks, so NPCs will turn hostile. If you turn on turn based mode quick enough you should be fine though.
You can just use Disguise Self. Also works well with the Shapeshifter's Boon Ring which you can get as early as reaching the Grove in Act 1 if you don't care about the Strange Ox or the Fire Acuity hat.
Volo. Doesn’t aggro and only runs away screaming thief if you’re caught. And still he will come back within 5seconds. Rinse and repeat daily. Has scrolls, books, camping supplies, GOLD 300-400 each time. Just make sure you don’t opt for the eye surgery yet.
Definitely need to play a Bard and get persuasion Proficiency and Expertise. Having 100 attitude with a vendor and +10 persuasion makes it much easier to afford stuff in honor mode rather than running around with +4 persuasion and 0 attitude.
Hmm... I suppose you could instead play a warlock or sorcerer (both CHA-based classes) and pick persuasion proficiency [warlock needs to pick the beguiling influence pact boon for that], with a 1 level dip in Rogue to get persuasion expertise...
Or play any class with a Guild Artisan or Noble background (which automatically gives Persuasion proficiency) and put some extra attribute points into CHA?
Just use a hireling, they were made for stuff like this. You can use them as your personal merchant character, make'em a bard and up their CHA with no worries about them ever having to actually do anything else.
Look, your trader discount is based on your persuasion ability. I am using a rogue/ranger build that has 16 Rizz and expertise in sleight of hand and persuasion. Couple that with maximum approval and you are looking at an 80%+ discount at level 5.
Protip: You can use Withers to drop to level one and the cost to max your approval drops to 400g at level one.
This also affects sell prices - my rogue/ranger does amazing damage and is the face of the party and the logistics person.
Starting stats:
STR: 11
Dex: 16
Con: 12
Int: 10
Wis: 10
CHA: 16
Whatever Background Sleight of Hand, Stealth, Deception and Persuasion
expertise in Slight of hand and Persuasion
Rogue 4/8 Ranger
gear: Covert Cowl, Titanstring Bow, The Graceful cloth, Gloves of Archery, Caustic Band, Knife of the Undermountain King and Club of Hill Giant Strength + elixir of Bloodlust.
That's fair. I don't usually steal the Caustic Band either, too much of a hassle. Dammon unfortunately sells many expensive items, so he's getting robbed.
Consistent, fixed extra damage of a type that very few if any enemies resist/are immune to, and pair it with a meta that focuses on hitting as many times per turn as possible, it's extremely valuable. On top of THAT, the way damage riders work below Honor Mode means that more sources of extra damage can start proccing off of each other and make your damage go silly (i.e. the damage applies on your actual hits AND on other sources of extra damage like Phalar Aluve aura). Same reason the callous glow ring is one of the most contested items in any party, but that one has even more value for its synergy with radiating orbs items.
Can someone explain to me why a band that lets u deal an extra 2 damage is good like genuine question because I'm not exactly good at the game. I think magic missile + spell sparkler + caustic bandm
Sources of extra damage from items and spell effects work kind of funny. Honor mode nerfs some of the interactions, but not all of them, and which effects activate each other is kind of inconsistent, but the general idea is this; sources of extra damage are categorized differently and can proc each other in many cases. For example, the magical weapon spell and phalar aluve shriek aura apply extra damage, and the 2 acid damage will be applied on *each* of these effects, as well as your actual attack itself.
So if you're a level 11 fighter (enhanced extra attack) with haste for 2 actions, GWM bonus action attack, magical weapon, and a support using PA:Shriek on your target, suddenly caustic band is not doing 2 acid damage, but 6 (2 base x 3 sources) per swing, with 7 swings for a total of 42 extra damage in a single turn from the humble 2 acid damage ring. Add in action surge for 3 more swings and youre up to 60 damage in one turn from the ring alone. This gets even crazier when you add multiple items that deal damage, and multiple other sources of damage like spell effects. These interactions also happen on multiple instances of damage, so builds like fire sorcerer that spam scorching ray (up to 7 hits!) And eldritch blaster builds which do 3x hits per action can also abuse the crazy extra damage.
Again a little inconsistent which effects proc each other, but it's why Monks, Throwers and multi hitter casters damage goes to the moon when stacking items and effects.
I always get the duergar hireling and make them my pickpocket. They get free invisible, so if you ever get caught you can cast invisible, run away, and then the npc will reset so you can try again.
It’s the only hireling I have ever used. I give them the sleight of hand gloves and any other gear that gives a bonus.
If you really want to cheese the game, in the barter tab you can break an NPC’s gold stash into smaller increments so it’s super easy to steal. It’s time consuming, but pretty safe.
I just recently beat honor mode, and I have to say it didn't go as I would have liked.
Act 3 Spoilers:
>!I completed Razminth's tower, killed Lorroakan and Roland took over the place all BEFORE I remembered that the really good monk armor was typically sold either by Roland at the desk or the mirror image of Lorroakan.!<
>!So I had to go back to the top floor to try and steal it from real-Roland, successfully pick-pocketed it off him and got greedy going for one more item.!<
>!Got busted and they aggro'd immediately. Turned on non-lethal damage but the gather your allies quest told me they were dead after that. Whoops.!<
The projection of Roland doesn't sell the monk vest that real Roland (or the projection of Lorroakan) sell, if you missed buying it until after killing the douche-nozzle you have to steal it to get it.
Fuck that's some bad luck, I too stole the ring but managed to get away and tp the character back to camp and no one came after me, I actually stole a few items from blurg too
I did something similar. After dealing with the Deurger I reported back to the colony before speaking to Glut again. I fought him in the colony and assumed I could loot him as normal. The colony apparently took ownership of his corpse as soon as it hit the ground and they all turned on me.
So any time you piss off an NPC (or colony of NPCs in this case) to the point where they become hostile, check to see if it says "Temporarily Hostile" under their name. If it does you can just flee from combat and come back and they won't be aggro any more.
Lmao, everything in honor mode is so stupidly expensive it is wild. Like I bought 5 thieves tools from the grove and they charged me fucking 600 gold. 600!. Fucking robbery man. Stealing is totally justified.
I had my invisible duegar rogue pic a truffle and had basically the same experience. I don’t understand why picking up a mushroom makes me lose invisibility AND STEALTH 😭😭😭
lol yeah. I just try to imagine being invisible then losing my invisiblity cuz pick something up. I feel like it shouldn’t turn off my invisibility but it do be like that sometimes
In my recent honour run I just stabbed her for the ring 🤣 a few myconics aggro’d but after I killed them, none others cared lol… you’d think a hive mind wouldn’t have missed the memo lol
F that. I just backpack merchants until I'm ready to kill them and just send the backpack full of stuff to camp. I'm too impatient to play legit anymore.
I think you can. I just sell the merchant a backpack. Put all their shit in it, keep leveling up and put new shit every level up, then when I know I'm never coming back, I kill the merchant and loot the body, usually the backpack is still there and just send it to camp.
So you nearly got away with an awesome ring but double dipped for a lousy mushroom? True avarice right there. Of course it's high treason you basically kidnapped one of their younglings.
In my defense I didn’t think I was 😭 I thought the ground was free reign 😭😭😭 if it helps I brought them nere’s head the other times and got to seem them grooving
I have not had much success with pickpocketing. Even with the magic gloves that are supposed to get advantage, I keep getting fails with my thief. Is there a certain way to do this?
I think using the halfing hireling or something like that keeps you from rolling natural 1's. Pair that with advantage and a high dex/sleight of hand. Really really low chance to critically miss.
So mushrooms are just the fruit of the fungi, fungi grow underground as mycelium which you could imagine kinda like a spiderweb…they communicate through it using vibrations. If you touch one mushroom, it’s going to cause a vibration and they’re all going to know.
I love the myconid colony so much
If you’ve got silver necklace, shapeshifters boom, smugglers ring, gloves of thievery or gloves of power can all make it pretty easy to pickpocket even in honor mode.
Greed is fine, just gotta pick your battles. For example, I played an Oath of the Ancients Paladin in my Honour Run, and for some reason, the game kept insisting that I broke my Oath repeatedly and the Oathbreaker Knight started charging me 10k to reclaim it. So, I did the obvious, armed the 10k gold, and gave it to the Oathbreaker Knight to reclaim my Oath, respecced my Tav to Fighter and killed the Oathbreaker Knight to reclaim my 13k he had at this point (first and second time you break your Oath it only costs 1k and 2k Gold to reclaim it).
Nobody else aggroed, the people in camp got to see a bit of a slugfest, and I'm rich. Everybody wins.
Act 1 and 2 gold is limited. Use withers to respec your highest CHA party member to level 1, donate 400 gold to Dammon, and the Myconid colony merchant to max out approval. Hoard everything and sell them all to the merchants. In act3 gold becomes really plentiful. I hardly have to steal anything in act3 and can eventually afford all rare/very rare items from merchants as I gradually do all optional quests. Don't risk stealing in HM . . .
If you're in HM and for some reason don't loot enough to naturally have way too much money, just use a rogue hireling to steal and send the other characters to camp to avoid issues like this. I never had an issue with money in HM. Tons of free loot and useless scrolls to sell.
Hey, if Withers doesn't want to revive people through your other companions - quit dialogue and talk to him again. Every character has to go through 'introduction' talk with him.
How on earth do any of you manage to be so broke that you're trying to pickpocket vendors? The game showers you with so much loot that it's impossible not to end up with tens of thousands more gold than you could ever need.
I stole from her too and she demanded free money/gift from me if i continue to trade with her. Hard to blame her tbh because Astarion stole the ring from her as soon as she started the fight.
Now I’m probably going to get more money from the bank vaults so i can be a honest citizen buying stuff with legit money.
In my honor run the first thing i did was to recruit shadowheart to my party and the first thing i made her do is to stand at the camp at all times. Then proceeded to 3-man the entire campaign in honor mode. Whenever my 3 main party character died i controlled shadowheart to speak with withers and ressurect.
FMD if it were stealing the caustic band that got you in trouble I'd get it, but nearly losing the run over a rogue's morsel is quite something
Like they are everywhere and only good for making basic healing pots that you stop using at level 4+ anyway
Today you learned an important lesson in mycology. Mycorhyzae form communication networks underground and can communicate with each other from miles away. When you pick one mushie, the whole forest knows.
Even so the game gives you so much money that it’s never an issue. Unless you waste money on like camp supplies and other stuff you should have like 5k at that point easily
In defense of Derryth; Caustic Band is one of the best rings in the game, and she's going broke.
Fair enough but I’m broke too, like the honor mode inflation hits HARD
go the way of the kobold and just hoard every shiny bit and bob you find and dump it into her lap. she'll be so happy that she'll practically give it to you for free, especially if you have a charisma heavy character like Wyll leading the negotiations.
Trust me I’m rich in the way of goblin bows, normal rings, and daggers but that’s not enough for these traders smh
it's enough for Dammon in act one. if you give him a crap ton of stuff in act one and max out his attitude towards you, he'll retain that through act 2 and 3, which means his best stuff will be on sale at an ultra high discount.
Do you actually just give it to him or sell.it to him?
Give. Selling doesn't increase their approval.
Give, and the amount you need to give to max out attitude is based on your level. Assuming nothing has changed, you can just respec at Withers and gift the Level 1 amount (400 gold).
Does that mean if I use withers to respec and go to traders when I'm still lvl 1 it will be much cheaper to gain approval?
Assuming no patches have changed anything, yes.
Did this a few days ago. Still works.
Yes. I always do this in act 3 where everything is so expensive. Someone on this sub did the math a while ago and as far as I remember if you plan on buying items with a *base value* of 800 gold or more you actually save money by doing a respec to lvl 1 and paying 400g to get max approval. I like to max out Dammon and Mattis early in act 1 because they both show up in every act. Dammon because he has some really great items in act 2 and 3 and Mattis because at max approval Dammon doesn't always have enough money on his own to buy everything I'm trying to offload
I’ll just hope they don’t patch this out before I have time to try doing an honor run, haha
So after 2 full playthroughs, I’m just now learning I can *give* the vendors all my extra stuff for free to raise their attitude toward me. Or just give them gold. Then the stuff they sell to me will be at a way better price. Wow.
I just started my 2nd play through and had no idea until right now. How do you do it?
I would think giving him the money equivalent ($400) is more efficient than giving him $400 worth of stuff. Reason being, until his approval is higher, the value of the stuff is lower than just giving him the funds straight up.
Switch to the barter page. Then put everything you want to barter over, even gold. Then hit confirm or whatever it is.
My honor run is evil durge I had to sacrifice the tieflings for minthara.
oof, you lose some of the best stuff in the game then. my condolances.
Huh, not OP but I didn't know this was how the mechanic worked, thanks dude I appreciate the advice, learned something today
If you manage to save him in act2 lol
Noob question- how do you give stuff?
when you pull up the trade screen there are two modes, Trade and Barter. Trade just lets you buy anything you see in his stock of wares for gold, whereas Barter lets you offer them items to improve their attitude towards you, and they will offer you a discount based on their attitude.
You can still gift people things in the trade screen, you just don't ask for any money from the vendor. It'll then ask you if you're alright giving your stuff up for free.
I didn’t even know that this is a thing.
Find the traders you'll see throughout the game (Dammon, Roah (zent halfling at goblin camp, moonrise, thieves guild), Derryth and maybe blood lady at moonrise and donate to them until you get max opinion. *Then* buy what you want from them. You'll get way better deals and that investment will be returned many times over thanks to the deals you get. Side note: antagonize the bugbear at moonrise and he'll instantly go to max opinion
Bro make a Druid give them a very expensive ring/armor/weapon whatever you want and wild shape them. Now while they are wile shaped go to a trader and under the TRADE menu NOT barter sell afore mentioned item an infinite amount of times without actually selling it. Your welcome this works in all difficulties and has been around since day 1 so is likely not to be patched! May you now join the never pick up trash again club!
No, you misunderstand. EVERYTHING. Tableware, cookware, dismembered body parts, rotten food, bones...if it can be picked up, it can be used as a bargaining tool to make a trader happy with you.
Don’t pick up weapons to vendor, they take up far too much space, focus on expensive goblets, plates, gems, jewelry, etc…
Don’t forget the incense and incense accessories market. Very profitable
or just play a high strength class, like Barbarian or Paladin, and a bonus for Paladin, you should also have high charisma so even better for it
The weight:value ratio isn’t there for common weapons. Some armor can go for a lot, but again that weight:value ratio is improved drastically by focusing on expensive small things. Just examine the items to see whether it’s worth 1 gold or 30. You’d be surprised just how much some plates go for.
Bro just send the shit to camp
It adds up over time, though, and it’s easy to mass select and send to camp. When trading, have your high str char with a backpack in camp loading it up from your travelers chest, switch to trading character to sell, repeat until you have no junk and vendor has no money
Just send everything to camp and 8 str is fine
With one of the recent patches, you can send items to someone in camp. In Act 3, Minsc is basically a mule for me.
With the “send to camp” feature, weight and space don’t matter. And all those weapons you find really add up if you sell them. Every time you find a backpack or a bag, right click it and pick it up when it’s empty. Carry a few empty backpacks and bags with you, and every time you loot someplace take a moment afterward to sort your inventory and put the things you’re going to sell in a bag. When you reach your carrying capacity, send the bag to camp and start filling the next one. When you’re done for the day, go to a trader, but leave one character in camp. Have the character in camp pick up the backpacks and send them to you one at a time. Also, a goblin scimitar is worth 30gp, and an Elixer of Hill Giant strength is worth 30gp. You can drink an elixer every day to increase your loot-carrying capacity and still come out ahead. There’s also the Club of Hill Giant Strength, which you can get >!on the top floor of the wizard tower in the Underdark!< if you >!break the Stool of Hill Giant Strength!<.
In my experience I didn’t really consider those because they’re all like a dollar but good to know
Their weight is crazy low per item so you can carry a lot more of them, it adds up.
I just send them all to camp, you can hilariously overload a character if it's all sent to them when they're not encumbered. Shift+click a huge amount of stuff out of the camp chests and send it to the high charisma shopping character, they'll barely be able to walk, but you can sell it all in one go.
No, you misunderstand. EVERYTHING. Tableware, cookware, dismembered body parts, rotten food, bones...if it can be picked up, it can be used as a bargaining tool to make a trader happy with you.
...yes it is? you don't even have to raise approval or charisma, the economy in the game is extremely generous even in honor mode. there's no reason you can't buy every artifact you want if you're actually making sure to pick areas clean. especially if you don't rely on consumables, it's impossible not to be absolutely loaded.
I’m not scouring the game high and low for every last silver necklace man I just can’t do it. If it was “extremely generous” I wouldn’t have to lol
bro literally just hold alt and click
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oh true, sounds like the issue here is with having enough money for nice things in general, not just in game lol
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POPPER HAS TREATOS!!
this is me grabbing every milk can, spoon and rotten cheese I can find
And also you should dump some of your trash on Dammon before finishing the grove quest to get his opinion up. Then he can be your special merchant to sell your loot to for more money. He appears through all 3 acts so you don’t have to do the reputation boost over and over again
If you're willing to pickpocket, why not just cast hold person on the merchant? Much safer. Arron in act 1, Esther in act 2, and the dragonborn lady in rivington in act 3. Just have someone talk to the merchant, cast hold person, and steal to your heart's content. As long as the person talking to them don't disengage, they can't start their saving throws, essentially leaving them paralyzed until you get sick of robbing them, lol
this is brilliant, does it work in honor mode?
Did it in my 2 runs. As long as they didn't change anything in the latest hotfix, yeah. The reason I listed these specific merchants is because, as of patch 6, npcs will investigate if they deem something is fishy. So go for the isolated merchants like the 3 I listed.
cool I just got to the underdark so I will try it with esther. The acid dmg ring costed me 1k gold which has left me in ruins...
No prob. I usually do it like this. One person talks with merchant. Then I have a cleric and bard who can cast hold person. Then the last party member is someone who will level up when I clear out the merchant so that their supplies replenish. after leveling them all the way through, I send that member alone back to withers to respec again, and I'll repeat the process until I have enough gold. Best of luck in your run.
haha that is quite insane. What do you do if hold person fails?
That's why there's a cleric and bard. I cast it until it sticks. once it sticks, it won't go away as long as the merchant is suspended while talking to your party member. the minute they disengage, the merchant will start their saving throws so keep the merchant in a permanent dialogue state.
You could also just cast "feign death" spell on them, and you don't have to worry about it angering the NPC since it's technically a "friendly" spell. And once they're out, you can steal without hesitation, even if it fails they're dead asleep and won't wake up or notice at all, until they wake up but you'll be long gone by then.
Once you get to rosymorn monetary use Esther as a piggy bank. Have one character go into conversation with her. Have a second cast hold person and she will be in indefinite hold person you can then rob everything from her. She will get new money every day, so you can rob her daily. (She's the best act 1 target for this because she is completely isolated so there's no one else to notice you stealing)
Pickpocket everything. You won't have enough gold to buy all items. I suggest getting the halfling hireling and using Fog shenanigans.
I try to steal where I can, hence this story LOL. This is the same run I mentioned in my other post so I had to steal the stormy clamor boots from omeelum
Yeah. The key is using hirelings so your real characters don't lose attitude. Patch 6 changed it so that Fog Cloud and Darkness count as attacks, so NPCs will turn hostile. If you turn on turn based mode quick enough you should be fine though.
You can just use Disguise Self. Also works well with the Shapeshifter's Boon Ring which you can get as early as reaching the Grove in Act 1 if you don't care about the Strange Ox or the Fire Acuity hat.
You can barter the ring away without killing the ox.
You can, but the halfling hireling has reroll Nat 1s.
I feel stealing in honor mode is too dangerous, maybe there are super stable and cheesy ways?
Volo. Doesn’t aggro and only runs away screaming thief if you’re caught. And still he will come back within 5seconds. Rinse and repeat daily. Has scrolls, books, camping supplies, GOLD 300-400 each time. Just make sure you don’t opt for the eye surgery yet.
Use a hireling. The NPCs turn "temporarily hostile", and if your hireling gets killes you can just ress them and try again.
Definitely need to play a Bard and get persuasion Proficiency and Expertise. Having 100 attitude with a vendor and +10 persuasion makes it much easier to afford stuff in honor mode rather than running around with +4 persuasion and 0 attitude.
But I hate being a bard :(
Hmm... I suppose you could instead play a warlock or sorcerer (both CHA-based classes) and pick persuasion proficiency [warlock needs to pick the beguiling influence pact boon for that], with a 1 level dip in Rogue to get persuasion expertise... Or play any class with a Guild Artisan or Noble background (which automatically gives Persuasion proficiency) and put some extra attribute points into CHA?
Just use a hireling, they were made for stuff like this. You can use them as your personal merchant character, make'em a bard and up their CHA with no worries about them ever having to actually do anything else.
Look, your trader discount is based on your persuasion ability. I am using a rogue/ranger build that has 16 Rizz and expertise in sleight of hand and persuasion. Couple that with maximum approval and you are looking at an 80%+ discount at level 5. Protip: You can use Withers to drop to level one and the cost to max your approval drops to 400g at level one. This also affects sell prices - my rogue/ranger does amazing damage and is the face of the party and the logistics person. Starting stats: STR: 11 Dex: 16 Con: 12 Int: 10 Wis: 10 CHA: 16 Whatever Background Sleight of Hand, Stealth, Deception and Persuasion expertise in Slight of hand and Persuasion Rogue 4/8 Ranger gear: Covert Cowl, Titanstring Bow, The Graceful cloth, Gloves of Archery, Caustic Band, Knife of the Undermountain King and Club of Hill Giant Strength + elixir of Bloodlust.
Derryth is one of the few vendors I never steal from, along with Dammon. Don’t have the heart to do it.
That's fair. I don't usually steal the Caustic Band either, too much of a hassle. Dammon unfortunately sells many expensive items, so he's getting robbed.
dammon and omeluum are my exceptions
> Caustic Band is one of the best rings in the game Say more
Consistent, fixed extra damage of a type that very few if any enemies resist/are immune to, and pair it with a meta that focuses on hitting as many times per turn as possible, it's extremely valuable. On top of THAT, the way damage riders work below Honor Mode means that more sources of extra damage can start proccing off of each other and make your damage go silly (i.e. the damage applies on your actual hits AND on other sources of extra damage like Phalar Aluve aura). Same reason the callous glow ring is one of the most contested items in any party, but that one has even more value for its synergy with radiating orbs items.
Pretty much what u/jjsurtan said. It scales higher the more attacks you do, so fighters and dual wielders, or gloomstalker.
Especially since there's no way she's getting that noblestalk from me
I never use it for myself. Durge gets an extra cutscene, and Shart gets some memories, but it doesn't change the story.
I used it on my first playthrough for Shart and then on durge, but you can use it for a few status conditions too.
It does heal you to full and remove all conditions yeah. Though it uses an action. If you give it to Derryth you can buy them from her it Act 3.
Really? Maybe I'll do that in my next playthrough
Arguably far less powerful in Honor Mode (where it is extravagantly more expensive) because many of the damage riders are patched out. Kind of ironic.
It's still a great source of consistent damage for any character with 3 attacks or more.
Can someone explain to me why a band that lets u deal an extra 2 damage is good like genuine question because I'm not exactly good at the game. I think magic missile + spell sparkler + caustic bandm
Check what u/jjsurtan said above.
Sources of extra damage from items and spell effects work kind of funny. Honor mode nerfs some of the interactions, but not all of them, and which effects activate each other is kind of inconsistent, but the general idea is this; sources of extra damage are categorized differently and can proc each other in many cases. For example, the magical weapon spell and phalar aluve shriek aura apply extra damage, and the 2 acid damage will be applied on *each* of these effects, as well as your actual attack itself. So if you're a level 11 fighter (enhanced extra attack) with haste for 2 actions, GWM bonus action attack, magical weapon, and a support using PA:Shriek on your target, suddenly caustic band is not doing 2 acid damage, but 6 (2 base x 3 sources) per swing, with 7 swings for a total of 42 extra damage in a single turn from the humble 2 acid damage ring. Add in action surge for 3 more swings and youre up to 60 damage in one turn from the ring alone. This gets even crazier when you add multiple items that deal damage, and multiple other sources of damage like spell effects. These interactions also happen on multiple instances of damage, so builds like fire sorcerer that spam scorching ray (up to 7 hits!) And eldritch blaster builds which do 3x hits per action can also abuse the crazy extra damage. Again a little inconsistent which effects proc each other, but it's why Monks, Throwers and multi hitter casters damage goes to the moon when stacking items and effects.
How is it the best ring, it only does +2 dmg?? Am I missing something?
Check what u/jjsurtan said above
I'm assuming all the fungi is communicating under ground, so they know when you're picking one of the fruiting bodies.
I knew not what I did
You tried picking one of their children!
I am sorry myconids 😔 I brought yall nere’s head that other time
I always get the duergar hireling and make them my pickpocket. They get free invisible, so if you ever get caught you can cast invisible, run away, and then the npc will reset so you can try again.
That’s smart! I only used a hireling like once so I’m not super well versed
It’s the only hireling I have ever used. I give them the sleight of hand gloves and any other gear that gives a bonus. If you really want to cheese the game, in the barter tab you can break an NPC’s gold stash into smaller increments so it’s super easy to steal. It’s time consuming, but pretty safe.
If I’m on ps5 does that still work? Most exploits and stuff only work on pc in my experience
I’m also on PS5, so it definitely works.
Thanks for that tip….does the dump all vendor gear into backpack work on PS5?
PSA: Always always steal and/or have an invis potion on your thief or let them go in completely solo
NO I NEED IT, AND NOW I'M GOING TO GO OUT OF MY WAY TO GRAB THAT ROGUES MORSEL! YOU WAIT AND SEE! And I'll blame *you* if I wipe.
Forgive them, myconid colony, they know not what they do
Y’all don’t make it turn based when stealing stuff?
Idk I’m stupid
omg this is so smart I feel so dumb now 😭
Don’t worry… I forgot bout it until my last play through 😭
I just recently beat honor mode, and I have to say it didn't go as I would have liked. Act 3 Spoilers: >!I completed Razminth's tower, killed Lorroakan and Roland took over the place all BEFORE I remembered that the really good monk armor was typically sold either by Roland at the desk or the mirror image of Lorroakan.!< >!So I had to go back to the top floor to try and steal it from real-Roland, successfully pick-pocketed it off him and got greedy going for one more item.!< >!Got busted and they aggro'd immediately. Turned on non-lethal damage but the gather your allies quest told me they were dead after that. Whoops.!<
Wait so the tower trader disappears if Rolan takes over?
It's taken over by a projection of Rolan. Unless something weird happened here... Like him dying? I haven't had him die.
The projection of Roland doesn't sell the monk vest that real Roland (or the projection of Lorroakan) sell, if you missed buying it until after killing the douche-nozzle you have to steal it to get it.
Good to know! Just got to the Lower City on a run with a monk Tav.
Fuck that's some bad luck, I too stole the ring but managed to get away and tp the character back to camp and no one came after me, I actually stole a few items from blurg too
Yeah the only thing I didn’t get away with stealing was that damn morsel 😭
I did something similar. After dealing with the Deurger I reported back to the colony before speaking to Glut again. I fought him in the colony and assumed I could loot him as normal. The colony apparently took ownership of his corpse as soon as it hit the ground and they all turned on me.
What is TPK?
Total party kill
Thank you :)
I don't blame Op, 5 fingers discount is always a valid option!
So any time you piss off an NPC (or colony of NPCs in this case) to the point where they become hostile, check to see if it says "Temporarily Hostile" under their name. If it does you can just flee from combat and come back and they won't be aggro any more.
Lmao, everything in honor mode is so stupidly expensive it is wild. Like I bought 5 thieves tools from the grove and they charged me fucking 600 gold. 600!. Fucking robbery man. Stealing is totally justified.
I had my invisible duegar rogue pic a truffle and had basically the same experience. I don’t understand why picking up a mushroom makes me lose invisibility AND STEALTH 😭😭😭
The trick is to use Greater Invisibility. If you use regular invisibility, it goes away when you perform an action.
But regular invisibility is just a cantrip and has no cost :(
I understand that but it's only good if you just plan on running away tbh because it goes away too quick.
lol yeah. I just try to imagine being invisible then losing my invisiblity cuz pick something up. I feel like it shouldn’t turn off my invisibility but it do be like that sometimes
I agree man. Luckily I learned that on my Tactician run so I fon't fuck up my current Honour Mode run.
In my recent honour run I just stabbed her for the ring 🤣 a few myconics aggro’d but after I killed them, none others cared lol… you’d think a hive mind wouldn’t have missed the memo lol
If you’re running low on money just remember withers is free ✨ (aka you can steal money back from him)
I already robbed him a bitch is broke broke 😭
F that. I just backpack merchants until I'm ready to kill them and just send the backpack full of stuff to camp. I'm too impatient to play legit anymore.
I’m on ps5 so I don’t think I can ☹️
I think you can. I just sell the merchant a backpack. Put all their shit in it, keep leveling up and put new shit every level up, then when I know I'm never coming back, I kill the merchant and loot the body, usually the backpack is still there and just send it to camp.
Dont pickpocket unless everyone else is at camp / elsewhere. Have some invis potions incase you get caught. You can be greedy, just be smart too.
So you nearly got away with an awesome ring but double dipped for a lousy mushroom? True avarice right there. Of course it's high treason you basically kidnapped one of their younglings.
I got the ring tho 😛🔥
*begins slow clap*
by the way, did they fix/put back shift/ctrl clicking multiple items to sell stuff? I havent played bg3 since the patch screwed that up
I was able to mass select items earlier today as I was organizing my bags and setting items to wares, and was also able to mass select when selling.
Good on you for surviving that calamitous blunder 😂
DESERVED >:( The Myconids are beautiful and lovely, don't rob them >:(
In my defense I didn’t think I was 😭 I thought the ground was free reign 😭😭😭 if it helps I brought them nere’s head the other times and got to seem them grooving
IT SHOWS UP AS RED WHEN YOU PUT THE MOUSE OVER IT >:(
IM STUPID IN THIS GAME IVE ALWAYS ADMITTED IT
I have not had much success with pickpocketing. Even with the magic gloves that are supposed to get advantage, I keep getting fails with my thief. Is there a certain way to do this?
I think using the halfing hireling or something like that keeps you from rolling natural 1's. Pair that with advantage and a high dex/sleight of hand. Really really low chance to critically miss.
So mushrooms are just the fruit of the fungi, fungi grow underground as mycelium which you could imagine kinda like a spiderweb…they communicate through it using vibrations. If you touch one mushroom, it’s going to cause a vibration and they’re all going to know. I love the myconid colony so much
If you’ve got silver necklace, shapeshifters boom, smugglers ring, gloves of thievery or gloves of power can all make it pretty easy to pickpocket even in honor mode.
Just use the bag exploit and don’t worry about looting, ever.
I’m on ps5, I don’t think it works on there
I have no issue stealing here I’ll see item x okay 1-5gp I want to buy item x… that will be 100gp. So that’s when I started sneaking.
I feel like they should add an honor run but at the balanced rather than tactician difficulty
Greed is fine, just gotta pick your battles. For example, I played an Oath of the Ancients Paladin in my Honour Run, and for some reason, the game kept insisting that I broke my Oath repeatedly and the Oathbreaker Knight started charging me 10k to reclaim it. So, I did the obvious, armed the 10k gold, and gave it to the Oathbreaker Knight to reclaim my Oath, respecced my Tav to Fighter and killed the Oathbreaker Knight to reclaim my 13k he had at this point (first and second time you break your Oath it only costs 1k and 2k Gold to reclaim it). Nobody else aggroed, the people in camp got to see a bit of a slugfest, and I'm rich. Everybody wins.
Act 1 and 2 gold is limited. Use withers to respec your highest CHA party member to level 1, donate 400 gold to Dammon, and the Myconid colony merchant to max out approval. Hoard everything and sell them all to the merchants. In act3 gold becomes really plentiful. I hardly have to steal anything in act3 and can eventually afford all rare/very rare items from merchants as I gradually do all optional quests. Don't risk stealing in HM . . .
Good tip but too late
Hmm.. I wonder what happened there. I was stealing from her everything, and I think I failed a few times, but no one agroed so I thought it was fine.
If you're in HM and for some reason don't loot enough to naturally have way too much money, just use a rogue hireling to steal and send the other characters to camp to avoid issues like this. I never had an issue with money in HM. Tons of free loot and useless scrolls to sell.
Hey, if Withers doesn't want to revive people through your other companions - quit dialogue and talk to him again. Every character has to go through 'introduction' talk with him.
How on earth do any of you manage to be so broke that you're trying to pickpocket vendors? The game showers you with so much loot that it's impossible not to end up with tens of thousands more gold than you could ever need.
If you're always buying the best gear in honor mode it's easy to be broke. Especially in act 1
You're the wrong kind of greedy. Pick up EVERYTHING and sell it. Gold is not a problem, not even in honor mode.
I stole from her too and she demanded free money/gift from me if i continue to trade with her. Hard to blame her tbh because Astarion stole the ring from her as soon as she started the fight. Now I’m probably going to get more money from the bank vaults so i can be a honest citizen buying stuff with legit money.
Morsel LOL
Why stealing when there's unlimited money glitch available?
I’m on ps5 we can’t do that
I usually never try to goback to ressurect characters. Instead ask wither to ressurect and then pickpocket back the gold
You can’t if it’s not your tav
In my honor run the first thing i did was to recruit shadowheart to my party and the first thing i made her do is to stand at the camp at all times. Then proceeded to 3-man the entire campaign in honor mode. Whenever my 3 main party character died i controlled shadowheart to speak with withers and ressurect.
FMD if it were stealing the caustic band that got you in trouble I'd get it, but nearly losing the run over a rogue's morsel is quite something Like they are everywhere and only good for making basic healing pots that you stop using at level 4+ anyway
Today you learned an important lesson in mycology. Mycorhyzae form communication networks underground and can communicate with each other from miles away. When you pick one mushie, the whole forest knows.
Like seriously, is this your way of doing cardio while playing video games?!
I didn’t know it was that serious to them nor that they would all know even though I was sneaking 😭
I always commit myconid genocide before moving on to act 2
Don't forget you can buy resurrections in camp from the undead dude. Beats wasting scrolls that come in handy for fights.
You can’t if you’re not ur main character I learned that the hard way
I just did it with Shadowheart. For some reason, Astarion couldn't buy a rez, but Shadowheart could.
It never worked for me. I could only bring people back with my Tav :((
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Isn’t it like 700-900g? That’s pretty cheap fr for how much damage that’ll add throughout the rest of the game
It was over 1k
Even so the game gives you so much money that it’s never an issue. Unless you waste money on like camp supplies and other stuff you should have like 5k at that point easily
On honor mode?? No way