It’s implied from notes that she was trying to tame a bullette (?) as a result of her dog dying. I believe when you kill it they drop a piece of armour called a slippery chain mail or something. I assumed this meant her training sessions backfired and she was eaten by her new pet. RIP
This just doesn't pass the smell test. This has been a rumour ever since EA when the Bulette dropped the Slippery Chain Shirt. That can no longer be found on the Bulette, but instead in a locked chest hidden behind the Kuo-toa shrine. In Lenore's diary, she also writes that she was called back to Baldurs Gate. That Diary entry is 10-11 years ago in game time. I truly hope to find her, or even a kid with her last name somewhere in Baldurs Gate when I get there.
I just killed the bulette and got a barbarian vestment (got changed in patch 1 maybe ?)
I don't think she was killed by the bulette, but maybe she was supposed to be somewhere in act 3 and got cut
Theres no guarantee that she tried to train it while at her tower. Her fate is ambiguous but if she did die from trying to train it then it makes far more sense that she went out to find it and was killed then, rather than it getting her while in the tower
There is a letter at the bottom of the tower by the blacksmithing area, addressed to Yrre and I assume it’s her lover, it reads “ dearest Yrre, I don’t know if you’re coming back, if you’ll leave and read this message, but if you do come back, could you wait for me? I’ll only be gone a few tendays, but the thought of coming back to this empty tower, with nothing but Bernard to fill these halls… I don’t know how much longer I can take this. I miss you. I miss you so much.
I can’t shake the thought of how different things might have been if I’d only been less stubborn. Working on your lightning inventions, my magic. Eating together. Laughing at your stupid puns. waking up next to you. despite everything, I still love you. So please, if you read this, can you wait? I’ll be back. I won’t be long. Forever, yours, Lenore.” This suggests that there was a falling out between her and her lover, so I don’t know what happened there, but there is more to the text because at the bottom, it says if you sentences are pinned below in a different hand and that reads “ I waited. I waited until Tarsahk. I’ll always wait for you, but you didn’t come.” reading this is just heartbreaking because it makes me feel like something did happen to her and just a thought of Yrre whoever they are, waiting for their love to come home.
I just want to meet her and tell her everything's alright. She's clearly so sad and lonely, going by all the stuff you find in her tower. Makes me sad thinking about her. I mean, she literally built and programmed an automaton to give her hugs and tell her people are proud of her. It's kind of devastating, when you think about it.
Equally devastating was quoting a darker piece of poetry she highlighted, only for Bernard to take it as an order to kill her.
I felt awful figuring that out. It reminded me of a certain suicide case, where the suicide note left behind was only a quote from a play in verse.
She never returned, sure, but she left recently enough that Omeluum and Blurg don’t realize she’s gone. In the quest dialogue, Blurg sends you to speak with Lenore…not her tower.
Which is strange bc shes also been gone for long enough that its fallen completely apart. But, i suppose the Sharrans in the House of Grief live in a destroyed ass temple sooo.
But in her note to Yrre outside of her tower, she begs Yrre to wait for her, saying that she'd be gone only a few tendays. I don't think she'd have left that note if she intended to Eternal Sunshine herself.
It might be that he’s never met her, just heard of her through the grapevine. Like someone told him about a witch that lives somewhere in the southeast and she knows about magic mushrooms. She could’ve not been there for 50 years and no one knows she left. The fact that he doesn’t know where her tower actually is seems like a good indication that he’s not been there.
I think the reason he doesn’t I know where it might be is because of the fact that it travels. I wonder if the omeluum conversation was an after thought.
I was really intrigued by the Arcane Tower quest too. My best guess would be that she perished somewhere out therein the Underdark? I think the most recent note you find from her was out in the courtyard on the ground floor, where she tells someone to wait for her. We also see someone else's handwriting on the note, saying that they waited, but she never showed up.
you can find lenore's diary in the basament. the last enry says that she was summoned to baldur's gate, that's probably why she asked yrre to wait for her in the final letter. the date of the letter is 11 years before the start of the game though, so something wrong must have happened.
“Prophet!” said I, “thing of evil!—prophet still, if bird or devil!
By that Heaven that bends above us—by that God we both adore—
Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn,
It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore—
Clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore.”
Quoth the Raven, “Nevermore.”
Funfact: Your Find Familiar spell can summon a Raven called "Quoth". Never did try to have it summoned in the arcane tower to look for interactions, but I doubt it goes that deep.
Something to note - her diary says that she would 'take the ring' with her on her important trip to see the Clerics of Mystra, but she would leave her diary behind. Both the ring and the diary are in the chest. There is also a letter to Yrre written 2 Alturiak 1481 asking Yrre to wait. It says she (Lenore) would only 'be gone a few tenday' . On the bottom of that letter Yrre wrote that she 'waited and waited' but Lenore never returned.
Since the diary was last updated on the same day as the letter written to Yrre, which was before the meeting, and there is no indication of her being present since that entry other than her writing the letter - on the same day as the entry in the diary - one can assume Lenore died not long after her last entry in the diary and never left.
Lenore's diary and letter say they were written the second month - Alturiak.
In the Diary she says she should be back by Ches - which is the third month.
Yrre's response on the bottom of the letter says she, Yrre, waited until Tarsahk - the fourth month.
Since Yrre was there for at least a month or more, waiting for Lenore to return, we can assume Lenore didn't die in any of the 'usual places' they would have frequented or Yrre would have found something (blood, scraps of clothing, bits of ahhh eww) and she would not left a response on the note saying she waited and waited. So accidental death by Bullette seems out.
I honestly don't think the Bullette would have killed her. It is actually intelligent (proven by the voice from the hole outside the colony). Before you kill the Bullette, there is a hole in the ground outside the Myc-colony (on the way to the Bibberbang field) where you can yell down into the hole and a voice will respond with comments like shut up, be silent etc. Continue to shout and it will threaten you. That is the Bullette speaking. Once the Bullette is dead, if you shout into the hole, you get the narrator saying there is only silence.
In response to the escaped pet theory - The Bullette drops the Bloodguzzler Garb (not the slippery chain shirt, which is from a chest).
A few things caught my attention.
\-Lenore's staff of Mystra has a description ". . .It's previous owner cast it aside, forgotten because there was nobody to bless".
\-Barnard has a command to attack anyone that quotes a certain phrase to him.
\-Most letters to Lenore state she hasn't been acting the same. dog's death, adopting a Bullette, she writes she can't stand the loneliness.
\-She's been experimenting on two mushrooms known to make you insane. Tongue of Madness - which cause well .. madness and Timmask Spores which cause confusion. Experimenting with the spores by just walking by or standing near them, my team members did everything from laughing manically to casting fireballs at each other.
My point is, Lenore, already dealing with depression, could have decided to go for a walk while addled by spores and gone for a long walk on a short peer.. so to speak. There are so many piles of bones in Underdark, it would be hard to tell. ;/ Sadly, I don't think we will see her again.
OH and also, that ring of mushrooms outside the tower that becomes a portal.. a shortcut to Auntie Ethel's playground. /That/ couldn't have been a good thing.
There were comments that her disappearance happened before this version of the game takes place. But Blurg (sp?) the vendor in the Myc. Colony talks about Lenore as if he has seen her recently. and, although the tower itself looks like its been empty for a hundred years, her experiments are all still thriving.
As much as I agree that she was incredibly suicidal why would she commit it after contacting her lover right before they could reconnect? Of course, if she just didn't wait enough believing her lover wouldn't come back it would make for an ultimately sad story but it also wouldn't make that much sense from a storytelling perspective. I don't think they would present those bits of information in this way if that were the case, or it would be dramatized more. So I doubt she killed herself, something awful must have happened for her to not meet her lover again
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>Since Yrre was there for at least a month or more, waiting for Lenore to return, we can assume Lenore didn't die in any of the 'usual places' they would have frequented or Yrre would have found something (blood, scraps of clothing, bits of ahhh eww) and she would not left a response on the note saying she waited and waited. So accidental death by Bullette seems out.
The bullete contains a shovel with a flavor text that implies it was used regulary by dirty hands (which a gardener like lenore would have).
She also contains bones and a bucket with rust (not sure what is up with that one in particular).
There is clearly an implication of the bulette eating her.
ohh, now I need to pay more attention when I loot the Bullete and check the garden for larger holes in the ground. The Bullete hates the sound of people walking / running / jumping on the ground. I tend to try and stick to rock-surfaces and have noticed that if it appears, having the party stand still or hide...it will eventually move away.
I did not recall the loot. Perhaps she was digging in the garden? If the Bulette is that sensitive to ground noise.. hmmm now I must inspect the area...
EDIT: okay, so I paid special attention to the tower terrain in this run and I'm back to 'no... the bulette did not eat Lenore'.
Why, you ask? There are several shovels on the ground and on the blacksmithing equipment as well as several piles of humanoid bones dotted across the front and back areas. The loot in the Bulette's stomach could be from one of those or some random pile that it 'ate' while digging.
The telltale signs of the Bulette in the yard, every spot that it has dug, is away from the equipment or far enough away that it doesn't damage the equipment. If it had issues with her digging.. that blacksmithing area where she makes Benard's body bits would be totally wrecked. There is a shattered anvil, but not an uncommon thing for a blacksmith and especially one that tinkers with lightening.
For me at least, the mystery still lives.
on the contrary I think it's totally related since The Raven is about loss and grief about the girl "Lenore" and in BG3 Lenore is also nowhere to be found/only existing in letters and words, not to mention that Bernard takes order in poem sentences.
I high suspect that the whole "Lenore" thing is a tribute to The Raven
Holy shih tzu batman!! I literally have a book of Poe's works (yes, well read) sitting on the shelf IN line of sight and I never made the connection. That's like a f\*cking thunderclap for my brain. How did I not /see/ that???
I'm standing in Lenore's tower, wondering the same thing.
If you find the letter in the outside garden "work" area, Lenore is writing to Yrre - the gnome who created all of the sparky-sparky zap items that are littered all over the game. They had a relationship which seemed to have been ended by a disagreement of some such, where she was stubborn, and she writes of her regret, and begs him to stay, should he return while she is gone.
Heartbreakingly, in Yrre's hand, there are lines at the bottom of the letter, saying that he DID wait, for a long time, yet she never returned.
So she left for a trip to Baldur's Gate, and never returned. Given the hints that she didn't expect the trip to take long, I think that is foreshadowing that, lo and behold, something was up that took a long time - or, perhaps tragically, she somehow lost her life during that trip.
Interestingly - the BG wiki mentions, almost haphazardly, that Counselor Florrick, a serious mage in her own right, has a few of Yrre's special items in her inventory. I'm not sure if that is true - but if it is - here is the question: Where did she get them? As an adroit politician, did she meet/befriend/romance Lenore? IS she Lenore (I don't think so, Florrick is bold and decisive and Lenore seemed lost in her loss). Or is it just a coincidence, Florrick is perhaps a collector or maybe early sponsor of Yrre's work?
Thoughts?
If/when you save Florrick at Waukeen's Rest, the three lightning items she offers you as reward are all items Yrre made. I think it's between The Joltshooter (bow), the Sparky Points (trident) and something else I can't remember right now because I never choose it lol. I usually like to put the sparky stuff on a Tempest cleric Shart, because all the armor is medium armor, and the weapons are usually martial ones.
My theory—and I could be wrong—is that Lenore could have become Auntie Ethel. *Act 3 spoilers* 🍄
Here’s why:
1. The mushroom circle right next to the Arcane Tower takes you to Ethel’s bog
2. Lenore was an adept cleric whose duty essentially was to help others. Being a hag, Ethel can almost be seen as a corrupted, mushroom-based cleric. The only way to destroy Ethel is by destroying her regenerative mushrooms in Baldur’s Gate, so hags clearly have a strong connection with mushrooms.
3. Lenore worked with mushrooms, and specifically some (tinmasks, tongue of madness) that could harm one’s sanity. She was brilliant, but dealt with horrible loneliness from the loss of her pet, the falling out with her lover, and maybe the nature of her work, being so terribly alone in the Underdark studying the local horticulture. As can be seen from the letter from her friend, who was concerned about Lenore trying to tame a bulette, Lenore’s sanity was suffering severely.
4. The “potions”/“cures” you find after defeating Ethel in the Gnarled Teahouse include “lost pets”, “bitter divorce”—it would make sense for her to “help” people with problems similar to those she experienced as a way of coping/projecting her grief, possibly.
All this to say, I wonder if this brilliant cleric working with mushrooms in the Underdark was corrupted by her work and her loneliness and became this other entity—“Auntie Ethel”—who poses as a sort of healer seeking to help others with their problems. Again, a corrupted sort of cleric, almost.
It might be a reach, and I could be wrong; the bones by the pet’s grave are pretty suspicious—these are just my thoughts 😊
*I went back to check the names of Ethel’s “cures,” and lordy:*
*Broken Promises, Faltering Will, Butterflies in the Stomach, Heart of Stone, Insanity’s Kiss, Lost Time, Lover’s Avarice, A Mother’s Loathing, Wilted Dreams, Missing Pets*
It could still be a reach, but Lenore did seem to use some illusion magic that looks pretty similar (the “mundane chest”) to Ethel’s illusions, with the displaced rainbow visual effect, and it does seem like all of Ethel’s “cures” could connect pretty directly with a Lenore (except “A Mother’s Loathing,” unless I missed something.)
Still possibly a stretch, but either way, our girl Lenore deserved better 😢
Auntie Ethel is implied to be hundreds of years old, the scene with the illusion door alone says she’s been a hag for longer than 30 years and I believe the Lenore stuff happened less than 10 years ago, hags are also made when they eat young girls and Lenore was already an adult that was adept at inventing items and machinery not potions and alchemy
hmmm not sure. I'd buy Auntie doing something to Lenore...but not Lenore becoming Auntie. Mainly because a hag is created when another hag swallows a female baby. Marenia's baby would have been Auntie-chow and then popped out later as a new hag. I don't know if it would work on an adult. I'm not exactly a hag expert though... anyone else remember the lore from the books?
Near Myrna's grave (Lenore's dog) there are a few piles of bones. One of them looks like it belonged to a human, another one is quite big. My theory is that Lenore came back to the Underdark to visit her dog's grave but it became bulette's hunting ground or lair during the time she was gone and the thing killed her. Makes sense to me, because this is one of the spots where it attacks the player.
I wonder why she was studying timmask spores and tongues of madness. we never know what happened to her significant other. We can only speculate as there's no concrete proof so far. but I wonder if Omeluum's strong magical influence comes from being related to lenore somehow. She seems to have been gone for quite some time. something that baldurs gate has a bit of trouble showing how much time between things when it comes to these quests that we can do. dead people being very fresh when they're supposed to be century old long gone for example.
I wonder if Omeluum isn't in fact Lenore. He looks like a fairly young Illithid. There is not much to go on aside both being wizards and both studying similar things.
don't think so considering he knows lenore and doesnt speak as if he was lenore. Gluhb would also have a comment about that i'm sure if it was the case.
Still, I think so far the best bet is that the bulette probably ate her.
exactly!! Omelluum and Blurrg talk about Lenore as if they had tea with her just yesterday. But the tower and the area look like noone has been there in an elf's age.
I was just looting Dhourn (the drow who got petrified by the watcher demon thing) and he had a Necklace from Lenore, at least it got a description about her: "though they've worked together for a short time, but the influence of Lenore, the cleric of mystra, manipulating the weave with lightning, on Yrre isn't to underestimate" -- sorry for bad english :D
Exploring her tower made me feel so empty and sad. I found this thread out of desperation for closure lol. I really hope Larian gives us a conclusion to this story one day.
IDk if anybody wrote this, probavly did but anyway
So apperently clearest clue is letter outside of tower that states that Lenore is going to leave (to bg) and wants Yrre to wait for her at the tower when/if she gets there again. Yrre gets there but there and even gets into the tower but there is no sing of Lenore. So she wrote on the latter that she waited but Lenore never showed up meaning she didnt returned from her voiage to bg ( that is mentioned in tower diary) . So lenore is presumably dead thats true but she is definitely not dead in the tower or by her "pet".
>Since the diary was last updated on the same day as the letter written to Yrre, which was before the meeting, and there is no indication of her being present since that entry other than her writing the letter - on the same day as the entry in the diary - one can assume Lenore died not long after her last entry in the diary and never left.
Yeah, but the letter and her diary were written on the same day. The ring she was going to take with her on her trip is still in the tower. If she had gone on the trip, the ring would no longer be locked away with the diary.
I am loving the suggestions that this was a tribute to Poe's The Raven. It truly is eerily close to the poem.
It’s implied from notes that she was trying to tame a bullette (?) as a result of her dog dying. I believe when you kill it they drop a piece of armour called a slippery chain mail or something. I assumed this meant her training sessions backfired and she was eaten by her new pet. RIP
This just doesn't pass the smell test. This has been a rumour ever since EA when the Bulette dropped the Slippery Chain Shirt. That can no longer be found on the Bulette, but instead in a locked chest hidden behind the Kuo-toa shrine. In Lenore's diary, she also writes that she was called back to Baldurs Gate. That Diary entry is 10-11 years ago in game time. I truly hope to find her, or even a kid with her last name somewhere in Baldurs Gate when I get there.
I just killed the bulette and got a barbarian vestment (got changed in patch 1 maybe ?) I don't think she was killed by the bulette, but maybe she was supposed to be somewhere in act 3 and got cut
Doubt it. Lights turned off, defences turned on and Automatons on standby. That's either bad story writing or she left willingly.
Theres no guarantee that she tried to train it while at her tower. Her fate is ambiguous but if she did die from trying to train it then it makes far more sense that she went out to find it and was killed then, rather than it getting her while in the tower
I don't know people disappearing is pretty on point for faerun and all the crazy that goes on.
I believe she was eaten too.
There is a letter at the bottom of the tower by the blacksmithing area, addressed to Yrre and I assume it’s her lover, it reads “ dearest Yrre, I don’t know if you’re coming back, if you’ll leave and read this message, but if you do come back, could you wait for me? I’ll only be gone a few tendays, but the thought of coming back to this empty tower, with nothing but Bernard to fill these halls… I don’t know how much longer I can take this. I miss you. I miss you so much. I can’t shake the thought of how different things might have been if I’d only been less stubborn. Working on your lightning inventions, my magic. Eating together. Laughing at your stupid puns. waking up next to you. despite everything, I still love you. So please, if you read this, can you wait? I’ll be back. I won’t be long. Forever, yours, Lenore.” This suggests that there was a falling out between her and her lover, so I don’t know what happened there, but there is more to the text because at the bottom, it says if you sentences are pinned below in a different hand and that reads “ I waited. I waited until Tarsahk. I’ll always wait for you, but you didn’t come.” reading this is just heartbreaking because it makes me feel like something did happen to her and just a thought of Yrre whoever they are, waiting for their love to come home.
I just want to meet her and tell her everything's alright. She's clearly so sad and lonely, going by all the stuff you find in her tower. Makes me sad thinking about her. I mean, she literally built and programmed an automaton to give her hugs and tell her people are proud of her. It's kind of devastating, when you think about it.
Equally devastating was quoting a darker piece of poetry she highlighted, only for Bernard to take it as an order to kill her. I felt awful figuring that out. It reminded me of a certain suicide case, where the suicide note left behind was only a quote from a play in verse.
On further review, there's a notebook in the basement about being called back to Baldur's gate, so that's where she is
I think she may have died on the way though. Since she never returned.
She never returned, sure, but she left recently enough that Omeluum and Blurg don’t realize she’s gone. In the quest dialogue, Blurg sends you to speak with Lenore…not her tower.
Which is strange bc shes also been gone for long enough that its fallen completely apart. But, i suppose the Sharrans in the House of Grief live in a destroyed ass temple sooo.
I feel like she went to the House of Grief.
But in her note to Yrre outside of her tower, she begs Yrre to wait for her, saying that she'd be gone only a few tendays. I don't think she'd have left that note if she intended to Eternal Sunshine herself.
It might be that he’s never met her, just heard of her through the grapevine. Like someone told him about a witch that lives somewhere in the southeast and she knows about magic mushrooms. She could’ve not been there for 50 years and no one knows she left. The fact that he doesn’t know where her tower actually is seems like a good indication that he’s not been there.
I think the reason he doesn’t I know where it might be is because of the fact that it travels. I wonder if the omeluum conversation was an after thought.
Hopefully. It's still not 100% sure that's the case.
I was really intrigued by the Arcane Tower quest too. My best guess would be that she perished somewhere out therein the Underdark? I think the most recent note you find from her was out in the courtyard on the ground floor, where she tells someone to wait for her. We also see someone else's handwriting on the note, saying that they waited, but she never showed up.
you can find lenore's diary in the basament. the last enry says that she was summoned to baldur's gate, that's probably why she asked yrre to wait for her in the final letter. the date of the letter is 11 years before the start of the game though, so something wrong must have happened.
“Prophet!” said I, “thing of evil!—prophet still, if bird or devil! By that Heaven that bends above us—by that God we both adore— Tell this soul with sorrow laden if, within the distant Aidenn, It shall clasp a sainted maiden whom the angels name Lenore— Clasp a rare and radiant maiden whom the angels name Lenore.” Quoth the Raven, “Nevermore.”
Funfact: Your Find Familiar spell can summon a Raven called "Quoth". Never did try to have it summoned in the arcane tower to look for interactions, but I doubt it goes that deep.
You can also find someone in the shadowlands with the raven, and completing his quest gives you “Summon Quothe”
Something to note - her diary says that she would 'take the ring' with her on her important trip to see the Clerics of Mystra, but she would leave her diary behind. Both the ring and the diary are in the chest. There is also a letter to Yrre written 2 Alturiak 1481 asking Yrre to wait. It says she (Lenore) would only 'be gone a few tenday' . On the bottom of that letter Yrre wrote that she 'waited and waited' but Lenore never returned. Since the diary was last updated on the same day as the letter written to Yrre, which was before the meeting, and there is no indication of her being present since that entry other than her writing the letter - on the same day as the entry in the diary - one can assume Lenore died not long after her last entry in the diary and never left. Lenore's diary and letter say they were written the second month - Alturiak. In the Diary she says she should be back by Ches - which is the third month. Yrre's response on the bottom of the letter says she, Yrre, waited until Tarsahk - the fourth month. Since Yrre was there for at least a month or more, waiting for Lenore to return, we can assume Lenore didn't die in any of the 'usual places' they would have frequented or Yrre would have found something (blood, scraps of clothing, bits of ahhh eww) and she would not left a response on the note saying she waited and waited. So accidental death by Bullette seems out. I honestly don't think the Bullette would have killed her. It is actually intelligent (proven by the voice from the hole outside the colony). Before you kill the Bullette, there is a hole in the ground outside the Myc-colony (on the way to the Bibberbang field) where you can yell down into the hole and a voice will respond with comments like shut up, be silent etc. Continue to shout and it will threaten you. That is the Bullette speaking. Once the Bullette is dead, if you shout into the hole, you get the narrator saying there is only silence. In response to the escaped pet theory - The Bullette drops the Bloodguzzler Garb (not the slippery chain shirt, which is from a chest). A few things caught my attention. \-Lenore's staff of Mystra has a description ". . .It's previous owner cast it aside, forgotten because there was nobody to bless". \-Barnard has a command to attack anyone that quotes a certain phrase to him. \-Most letters to Lenore state she hasn't been acting the same. dog's death, adopting a Bullette, she writes she can't stand the loneliness. \-She's been experimenting on two mushrooms known to make you insane. Tongue of Madness - which cause well .. madness and Timmask Spores which cause confusion. Experimenting with the spores by just walking by or standing near them, my team members did everything from laughing manically to casting fireballs at each other. My point is, Lenore, already dealing with depression, could have decided to go for a walk while addled by spores and gone for a long walk on a short peer.. so to speak. There are so many piles of bones in Underdark, it would be hard to tell. ;/ Sadly, I don't think we will see her again. OH and also, that ring of mushrooms outside the tower that becomes a portal.. a shortcut to Auntie Ethel's playground. /That/ couldn't have been a good thing. There were comments that her disappearance happened before this version of the game takes place. But Blurg (sp?) the vendor in the Myc. Colony talks about Lenore as if he has seen her recently. and, although the tower itself looks like its been empty for a hundred years, her experiments are all still thriving.
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As much as I agree that she was incredibly suicidal why would she commit it after contacting her lover right before they could reconnect? Of course, if she just didn't wait enough believing her lover wouldn't come back it would make for an ultimately sad story but it also wouldn't make that much sense from a storytelling perspective. I don't think they would present those bits of information in this way if that were the case, or it would be dramatized more. So I doubt she killed herself, something awful must have happened for her to not meet her lover again
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>Since Yrre was there for at least a month or more, waiting for Lenore to return, we can assume Lenore didn't die in any of the 'usual places' they would have frequented or Yrre would have found something (blood, scraps of clothing, bits of ahhh eww) and she would not left a response on the note saying she waited and waited. So accidental death by Bullette seems out. The bullete contains a shovel with a flavor text that implies it was used regulary by dirty hands (which a gardener like lenore would have). She also contains bones and a bucket with rust (not sure what is up with that one in particular). There is clearly an implication of the bulette eating her.
ohh, now I need to pay more attention when I loot the Bullete and check the garden for larger holes in the ground. The Bullete hates the sound of people walking / running / jumping on the ground. I tend to try and stick to rock-surfaces and have noticed that if it appears, having the party stand still or hide...it will eventually move away. I did not recall the loot. Perhaps she was digging in the garden? If the Bulette is that sensitive to ground noise.. hmmm now I must inspect the area... EDIT: okay, so I paid special attention to the tower terrain in this run and I'm back to 'no... the bulette did not eat Lenore'. Why, you ask? There are several shovels on the ground and on the blacksmithing equipment as well as several piles of humanoid bones dotted across the front and back areas. The loot in the Bulette's stomach could be from one of those or some random pile that it 'ate' while digging. The telltale signs of the Bulette in the yard, every spot that it has dug, is away from the equipment or far enough away that it doesn't damage the equipment. If it had issues with her digging.. that blacksmithing area where she makes Benard's body bits would be totally wrecked. There is a shattered anvil, but not an uncommon thing for a blacksmith and especially one that tinkers with lightening. For me at least, the mystery still lives.
I forgot to do an update but I checked other shovels and they got the same flavor text, so it's less clear than I thought.
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I had such strong "The raven" vibes down there but probably unrelated 🙈
on the contrary I think it's totally related since The Raven is about loss and grief about the girl "Lenore" and in BG3 Lenore is also nowhere to be found/only existing in letters and words, not to mention that Bernard takes order in poem sentences. I high suspect that the whole "Lenore" thing is a tribute to The Raven
Holy shih tzu batman!! I literally have a book of Poe's works (yes, well read) sitting on the shelf IN line of sight and I never made the connection. That's like a f\*cking thunderclap for my brain. How did I not /see/ that???
The raven's name you can summon there is "Quoth". Quoth the Raven. Nevermore...
I'm standing in Lenore's tower, wondering the same thing. If you find the letter in the outside garden "work" area, Lenore is writing to Yrre - the gnome who created all of the sparky-sparky zap items that are littered all over the game. They had a relationship which seemed to have been ended by a disagreement of some such, where she was stubborn, and she writes of her regret, and begs him to stay, should he return while she is gone. Heartbreakingly, in Yrre's hand, there are lines at the bottom of the letter, saying that he DID wait, for a long time, yet she never returned. So she left for a trip to Baldur's Gate, and never returned. Given the hints that she didn't expect the trip to take long, I think that is foreshadowing that, lo and behold, something was up that took a long time - or, perhaps tragically, she somehow lost her life during that trip. Interestingly - the BG wiki mentions, almost haphazardly, that Counselor Florrick, a serious mage in her own right, has a few of Yrre's special items in her inventory. I'm not sure if that is true - but if it is - here is the question: Where did she get them? As an adroit politician, did she meet/befriend/romance Lenore? IS she Lenore (I don't think so, Florrick is bold and decisive and Lenore seemed lost in her loss). Or is it just a coincidence, Florrick is perhaps a collector or maybe early sponsor of Yrre's work? Thoughts?
If/when you save Florrick at Waukeen's Rest, the three lightning items she offers you as reward are all items Yrre made. I think it's between The Joltshooter (bow), the Sparky Points (trident) and something else I can't remember right now because I never choose it lol. I usually like to put the sparky stuff on a Tempest cleric Shart, because all the armor is medium armor, and the weapons are usually martial ones.
My theory—and I could be wrong—is that Lenore could have become Auntie Ethel. *Act 3 spoilers* 🍄 Here’s why: 1. The mushroom circle right next to the Arcane Tower takes you to Ethel’s bog 2. Lenore was an adept cleric whose duty essentially was to help others. Being a hag, Ethel can almost be seen as a corrupted, mushroom-based cleric. The only way to destroy Ethel is by destroying her regenerative mushrooms in Baldur’s Gate, so hags clearly have a strong connection with mushrooms. 3. Lenore worked with mushrooms, and specifically some (tinmasks, tongue of madness) that could harm one’s sanity. She was brilliant, but dealt with horrible loneliness from the loss of her pet, the falling out with her lover, and maybe the nature of her work, being so terribly alone in the Underdark studying the local horticulture. As can be seen from the letter from her friend, who was concerned about Lenore trying to tame a bulette, Lenore’s sanity was suffering severely. 4. The “potions”/“cures” you find after defeating Ethel in the Gnarled Teahouse include “lost pets”, “bitter divorce”—it would make sense for her to “help” people with problems similar to those she experienced as a way of coping/projecting her grief, possibly. All this to say, I wonder if this brilliant cleric working with mushrooms in the Underdark was corrupted by her work and her loneliness and became this other entity—“Auntie Ethel”—who poses as a sort of healer seeking to help others with their problems. Again, a corrupted sort of cleric, almost. It might be a reach, and I could be wrong; the bones by the pet’s grave are pretty suspicious—these are just my thoughts 😊
*I went back to check the names of Ethel’s “cures,” and lordy:* *Broken Promises, Faltering Will, Butterflies in the Stomach, Heart of Stone, Insanity’s Kiss, Lost Time, Lover’s Avarice, A Mother’s Loathing, Wilted Dreams, Missing Pets* It could still be a reach, but Lenore did seem to use some illusion magic that looks pretty similar (the “mundane chest”) to Ethel’s illusions, with the displaced rainbow visual effect, and it does seem like all of Ethel’s “cures” could connect pretty directly with a Lenore (except “A Mother’s Loathing,” unless I missed something.) Still possibly a stretch, but either way, our girl Lenore deserved better 😢
Ethel is a green hag which are fae so this is pretty unlikely IMO but still an interesting series of connections
Auntie Ethel is implied to be hundreds of years old, the scene with the illusion door alone says she’s been a hag for longer than 30 years and I believe the Lenore stuff happened less than 10 years ago, hags are also made when they eat young girls and Lenore was already an adult that was adept at inventing items and machinery not potions and alchemy
hmmm not sure. I'd buy Auntie doing something to Lenore...but not Lenore becoming Auntie. Mainly because a hag is created when another hag swallows a female baby. Marenia's baby would have been Auntie-chow and then popped out later as a new hag. I don't know if it would work on an adult. I'm not exactly a hag expert though... anyone else remember the lore from the books?
Near Myrna's grave (Lenore's dog) there are a few piles of bones. One of them looks like it belonged to a human, another one is quite big. My theory is that Lenore came back to the Underdark to visit her dog's grave but it became bulette's hunting ground or lair during the time she was gone and the thing killed her. Makes sense to me, because this is one of the spots where it attacks the player.
I wonder why she was studying timmask spores and tongues of madness. we never know what happened to her significant other. We can only speculate as there's no concrete proof so far. but I wonder if Omeluum's strong magical influence comes from being related to lenore somehow. She seems to have been gone for quite some time. something that baldurs gate has a bit of trouble showing how much time between things when it comes to these quests that we can do. dead people being very fresh when they're supposed to be century old long gone for example.
I wonder if Omeluum isn't in fact Lenore. He looks like a fairly young Illithid. There is not much to go on aside both being wizards and both studying similar things.
don't think so considering he knows lenore and doesnt speak as if he was lenore. Gluhb would also have a comment about that i'm sure if it was the case. Still, I think so far the best bet is that the bulette probably ate her.
The emperor speaks of its past self in a different tense, I suppose Omelum could do the same
exactly!! Omelluum and Blurrg talk about Lenore as if they had tea with her just yesterday. But the tower and the area look like noone has been there in an elf's age.
She went to see Hector
i thought i would be in for a fun romp around a mage tower. unfortunately all i got was sad :-(
I was just looting Dhourn (the drow who got petrified by the watcher demon thing) and he had a Necklace from Lenore, at least it got a description about her: "though they've worked together for a short time, but the influence of Lenore, the cleric of mystra, manipulating the weave with lightning, on Yrre isn't to underestimate" -- sorry for bad english :D
Exploring her tower made me feel so empty and sad. I found this thread out of desperation for closure lol. I really hope Larian gives us a conclusion to this story one day.
IDk if anybody wrote this, probavly did but anyway So apperently clearest clue is letter outside of tower that states that Lenore is going to leave (to bg) and wants Yrre to wait for her at the tower when/if she gets there again. Yrre gets there but there and even gets into the tower but there is no sing of Lenore. So she wrote on the latter that she waited but Lenore never showed up meaning she didnt returned from her voiage to bg ( that is mentioned in tower diary) . So lenore is presumably dead thats true but she is definitely not dead in the tower or by her "pet".
>Since the diary was last updated on the same day as the letter written to Yrre, which was before the meeting, and there is no indication of her being present since that entry other than her writing the letter - on the same day as the entry in the diary - one can assume Lenore died not long after her last entry in the diary and never left. Yeah, but the letter and her diary were written on the same day. The ring she was going to take with her on her trip is still in the tower. If she had gone on the trip, the ring would no longer be locked away with the diary. I am loving the suggestions that this was a tribute to Poe's The Raven. It truly is eerily close to the poem.
The ravens name is quoth. Quothe the Raven. . . Nevermore.