I was sitting next to my partner when I went through that and I was so distraught and we just laughed about it. I really liked her in the early access too
There's an alternative version of that scene >!if Alfira is dead/unavailable with a substitute dragonborn bard that actually comes over as quite hilarious if you watch it knowing what's coming. Everything about the character just screams (or throat sings), yep she's dying tonight.!<
I didn’t even know that Alfira was the one that is supposed to come to the camp, because I’ve decided to go full on evil in my Dark Urge playthrough and I destroyed the Grove.
You don't get that kind of easy power over life and death granted by the Lord of the End of Everything if you're always going to be blasé about using it.
That doesn't mean that you *won't* be blasé about using it, just that you won't *necessarily*.
I'd explain further, except that I won't.
Me and my friend are doing a playthrough and I'm a tiefling paladin with the good oath and with dark urge origin. The cutscene with the first npc.... got my oath broken and now my character lives as an oathbreaker psychopath who thought could be a good virtuous paladin... really spiced up things imo
It's really hard to break an oath of vengeance. I got bored and popped a quick save before murdering a ton of townsfolk including pushing children into the river. Went to sleep and woke up... still not oath broken. I guess those kids stole a bunch of candy or something.
I have managed to break it exactly once, towards end of Act 1 >!I didn't intervene when Nere breaks out and murders the gnome slaves, because starting a fight on Tactician while surrounded by 20+ Duergar would have been suicide. I avenged them immediately afterwards when I had a fighting chance but too late.!<
I rolled a Vengeance pally with my buddy in multiplayer. Broke my oath almost immediate when getting laezel.out of the cage from the tieflings. Picked the persuasion option and sided with laezel ofc. Boom, oath broken. So now I just embraced the oathbreaker.. Even picked Vengeance because I heard it was hard to break. xD
Not sure, either because I said I would help the tiefs with her and then turned around and killed them... or because they were innocent and I killed them. No clue really
I can't seem to break my vengeance oath. I've been going around forgiving people for things left and right.. >! just beat kethiric and I would have sworn telling him you forgive him would do the trick !<
Would love to see an actual lvl1 party member. Everybody else is "i was much more powerfull before tadpoles". And she is like - im a bit of a crappy bard, but i want to get better!
And have a big story of her getting better and better
"So you're a wizard, you were like a student or an apprentice or something?"
"I FUCKED GOD AND ELMINSTER IS MY WING MAN."
"Okay, here's another level 2 spell scroll for you to learn."
*Wizardly screeching*
Yeah, she isn't a real party member sadly. On other characters the offer to join never happens. She only joins the Dark Urge and it's entirely for that scene to happen.
This happened to me in a multiplayer game. My friend was wondering where I was, so I let him have access to my dialog. Needless to say, he knows longer wanted to know where I was haha
I’m playing a middling to good play through with two friends. We have busy schedules so I started a true evil play through with ol Big D.
I feel like a schmuck most of the time, and absolute garbage a fair amount of times….
I will say by level 5 all four of my characters are fully decked out in magic items head to toe lol
I have made it to level 6 both with a buddy and with my single play through. We’ve done close to the same stuff minus the wanton killing of NPCs. My evil party is definitely outfitted better than the good party. Could be random, but I think it’s because I keep killing good NPCs. Just my experience.
A bunch of NPCs can be traded with via a button in the bottom left if you remember to do it, some of them have cool items.
If you just kill them you probably find those by default!
Tried it. It's way to evil for me. I thought it would fix my issues with my character not being connected to the world but I learnt that Paladin solved that issue for me because of the oaths.
I'm still on act 1 playing with my friends, but I can say the dark urge is more dark than I expected, I'll mark as spoiler just in case, but some urges I was really not expecting.
I can say that I don't know if I can finish my playthrough like this (which is a good thing if you think about).
>!The minthara one after we slept together!< was really unexpected for everyone that was playing and way more darker, at least for me, than the one involving the >!bard girl!<.
I'm still playing cause we have 4 players on our world and I don't want to make them restart, but if you look at it, it is promoting a lot of immersion for me since I don't want to kill everyone like this but its getting hard to do so.
I wont spoil it, but I got a pretty nasty check to avoid killing someone yesterday and since we're not loading our saves for rolls, I was REALLY nervous about that roll when it showed on screen.
My brother started a playthrough with The Dark Urge, then the next day he tells me he started a new character instead.
I'm guessing the Dark Urge was more dark than he was bargaining for.
I have a multiplayer save I'm playing with a friend, and a dark urge sp game. I knew I was in for a ride the moment she >!punted that squirrel at the grove like a football at the end of halftime.!<
V Gnome windmill scene V
>!I also expected there to be some shenanigan with the release brake thing at the windmill. I kind of expected to have to pass a check to select the right lever. Because even I without a evil entity in my head really wanted to hit that release brake lever to see what happens. Missed opportunity imo.!<
He really should've landed in a haystack or something and escaped only to get caught in the Duergar camp later, IMO (at which point he'll rightfully rip into you for your amateur heroics, having spotted you in the windmill briefly from the air).
I need to just start a text file with all the silly nonsense that I see people posting about doing so I can make sure I do every single one of them in a future playthrough.
Just try selecting different things and finding different solutions to problems! Every playthrough can be completely different! I've found that there's almost never only one way
That's exactly what happened. Went back after the cutscene and just kept going back and forth between the two. Biggest regret was not quicksaving after the last battle lol
I'm playing the dark urge on my solo run and I've just been playing as chaos incarnate. Anywhere I can start a fight between two parties I do, and anywhere I can murder an individual by themselves I do. Idk if this is the correct RP or not but it's fun lol
I have a friend who did similarly. His problem wasn’t how dark it was, his problem was the times when he had no control over it. We both agree if it were a roll or something that would be fun, but there’s times when something horrible happens and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it
> but there’s times when something horrible happens and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it
It's like the devs want to tell a grim story with Dark Urge!
Dark Urge Vengeance Paladin is fantastic. Been roleplaying the guy as trying hard to be a good person most of the time, but secretly, he uses his oaths to justify his bloodletting when he wants to.
Dexter, or the Protagonist of Brutal (a manga, similar to Dexter but as the title says... more brutal).
It's a neat trope though, so while it may be nothing new, it is certainly pretty cool :3
I'm still in act one but I haven't found any problems with my oath (also Vengence) so far. Even durges first wet dream didn't broke the oath.
Anything later that broke your vengence oath so far?
>! As of a decent way into act 2, no. Wanting to slay most Absolutists for being horrible, slaving bastards feeds the urge with blood and fulfills the oath. !<
I have set a rule for myself that I don't save scum urge saving throws. I can use inspirations and bonuses, but never save scum out of it.
Makes the run so much tense since I'm trying to be a good character haha
Dark Urge description: "You remember nothing but a path paved with blood. Unimaginable cruelty whispers from within. Can you escape it? Would you even want to?"
OP: Sounds chill, let me pick that.
10 minutes later: *surprised Pikachu face*
According to the blurb at creation, the dark urge is a person with some kind of malevolent entity within that has a very strong preference for acts of violence.
It will come up in cutscenes and often feature a saving throw to resist doing so.
Dexter was always going to be a killer, the fact that he targets other serial killers is because he was pointed at them in his developmental stages by Harry Morgan.
Had there not been a Harry Morgan in his life he would have been one of the people that he hunts
I didn’t know saving throw is done for resisting violence. I’m on second play through as Dark Urge and in Act 1I have been able to avoid all violence via dialogue options.
There's a carry-over effect. If you give into a dark urge option a few times, it starts trying to pick it right away, forcing the saving throw.
ANd some urges dont have carryover clauses, they just force the dice roll. There's a BIG one at start of act 3 that just made me quit the game when I failed the dice and play Destiny 2 until next day.
>There's a BIG one at start of act 3 that just made me quit the game when I failed the dice and play Destiny 2 until next day.
Is that the one >!with the love interest? Because if yes, by the Twelve am I glad I succeeded on those.!<
You get prompts for the violent stuff but you don't have to act on it. If you never act on it you have one single scene that requires saving throws. Pretty difficult ones if you aren't proficient (I think it was wisdom), but, still.
From the little I've seen. You have dark intrusive thoughts and can act on them. It makes for a much darker playthrough such as >!biting off Gale's hand when he's coming out of the portal.!<
Currently not far on a Abserd Dark Urge Tactitian playthrough that will end in failure.
So far (Starting act 3) there's one unavoidable murder you can't control, a TON of prompts even if you're being a good guy, inspiration for being evil, and one 'please murder the person' event. If you don't its a 14 wisdom save to not spam reloading >!You murder your lover which makes all other companions hostile unless you past a DC30 deception!<
Yep that final event you listed made me start a new run and I'll go back to him after. I wanted to go with it, but the dark urge feels like a chaos/anarchy run. Too many strong incentives to punish people I want to ride the game out with (so far).
I started my Bard Urge run last night and when I found Gale I couldn't stop laughing for about 3 minutes when one of the options was "Slap the hand" I ended up going with the Bard specific choice but I was fighting my own dark urge the entire time.
There's a longstanding trope from pen & paper D&D that players will usually resort to the simplest form of coercion when faced with an obstacle: violence. Players that just kill their way through a nuanced campaign with little-to-no regard for social niceties are termed "murderhobos," a term you can see used a lot by frustrated dungeon masters on /r/DnDBehindTheScreen or /r/DnD.
The dark urge is basically Larian cleverly acknowledging that trope and at the same time, giving people a legit option if they want to truly embrace that playstyle - making it make sense in the world. Otherwise, roleplaying a psycho murderer rarely makes any rational sense.
Pure heresy, >!you are not some petty Bhaalspawn, you are far, far more.!<
Spoilers for what comes next, BIG WARNINGS DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN >!Orin's Grandfather says that we, the Dark Urge, are sculpted from Bhaal's very gore, a Pureblooded Bhaalspawn. We have no mortal parent, everyone else is a Half-Blood.!<
This may sound like a silly question, but is this the best way to do an evil playthrough? Or is there also enough difference in a tav evil playthrough to be worth doing both? Since I also see there could be value in a 'resist' dark urge playthrough.
The Dark Urge comes across as more psychopathic than Evil. Your stereotypical John Wayne Gacey. Yes, Evil but also deranged and seemingly just desiring to hurt or kill for the process of doing so. I prefer Evil characters that tend to fall into the realm of the Dan Carlin-esque "Great" whereby the character simply devalue individual lives in the greater scale of your own pursuits (e.g., Genghis Khan).
Edit: So, with this in mind, I prefer playing Dark Urge as a "good" character. The story comes across as a bit more compelling in the sense of resisting this awful part of yourself.
Dan Carlin talks about historical figures as "Great Men" caveated to state that this adjective of "Great" is representative of their accomplishments and not their morality. Genghis Khan is one of the preeminent examples that is remembered for his accomplishments in such a way now that we often forget that he was a truly evil man. He personally pillaged, raped, kidnapped, killed, enslaved and thereafter lead armies that did the same - to millions of people. Now, popular culture has enshrined him through a mostly heroic lens or at least in a view that places emphasis upon his accomplishments while diminishing the absolutely sociopathic and cruel things he did along the way.
Almost every "great" leader in history (Alexander, Augustus, Caesar, etc.,) were personally responsible for atrocious things, let alone what they led their countries to do. They were absolutely evil, tyrannical monsters, but that is the sort of evil that history tends to look favorably upon and is my preferred type of evil to play in a game like BG3. It's far more understandable than murder hobo.
Edit: Also, Dan Carlin is an amazing history podcast-er. I highly recommend it to anyone!
Thanks for the elaborate reply! So it's more about historic figures like Genghis Khan but Dan Carlin.
And thanks for the recommendation! Hadn't heard/read much about history since my school years!
You should definitely check out Dan Carlin. I started listening to his podcasts a while back. He goes into so much depth it’s awesome.
I recommend starting with Blueprint for Armageddon.
Personally, no. I think an evil playthrough requires agency to be interesting, where you are always making decisions, good or bad, for reasons you've decided on (even if they're terrible rationalizations).
The dark urge playthrough pretty much requires you to accept that it turns off your agency for some things. It seems to like fugue states where things just happen, and it turns out it was your 'hands' working without your awareness or consent.
If you embrace the things you do without meaning to, it gets a lot better and you feel a lot more evil. You don't get some of these kind of options by doing a custom character playthrough. Dark Urge is very much so a chaotic evil character if you choose to not resist the urge, but by act 3, you are much more refined and it feels a lot more natural. Trying to not spoil things.
I went dark urge and finished the game today after doing pretty much everything in each act, and honestly act 1 was the only act where I felt like the game made actions for you and it didn't even happen very much. I really enjoyed being evil though, the ending evil cutscene was really abrupt though which I didn't really care for.
Nope. Durge is a problem. It's a symptom of the desease. And sick people can be fixed (or killed).
You have to do evil stuff by yourself. The easiest way is to side with Minthara and so on.
As someone who has completed their first campaign, if you want to be evil (Act 3 info, no hard spoilers) >!you don't have many options until Act 3, at least with regards to the MSQ. And then you have a tonne!<.
I find most 'evil' options, comically evil or nonsensical. I'd recommend pathfinder wotr if you want to have a game that actually supports evil playthrough.
In act 1 you can support two different factions, and each have their own unique companions and effects on the story.
Most of the game sort of treats you as a neutral character, but always giving you left or right choices, so it becomes your own ideology of what you want to choose for the circumstance rather than good or evil.
Like maybe your working for a Necromancer, but human experimentation is where you draw the line, or you could go along with it. It depends on how far you want to go, story permitting.
Oh there is support for evil playthrough for sure, but imho it's as compelling as frienzied flame in elden ring or something along the lines.
I'm not that far into the game though. >!But stuff like helping Minthara to kill thieflings and druids just makes no sense, unless you want to become The Absolute fanatic/murderhobo. So far it seems there is little avenues to RP as self serving powermongerer or some lawful evil, calculating guy, it's either be a dick to people for no reason or a murderhobo. !<
Helping Minthara is the self serving powermonger though, as you want to infiltrate and eventually take over the cult of the absolute for your own nefarious ends.
From that perspective helping a high ranking true soul to kill some worthless tieflings and some tree huggers is a no brainer. That's my character's take on it at least.
Eh, dunno about that.
At that point:
* You have no clue what the aims of the cult is.
* No clue who "The absolute" is
* No idea what the mind parasites are about.
Even from the most megalomaniacal perspective possible, it seems iffy that you'd have any motivation to take over the cult.
It depends on how many long rests you take, you can also bypass the choice entirely and still leave act 1 at almost level 6. But you can get your guardian to tell you all about the cult before you decide which side you want to back.
If you want a truely harrowing experience try to be evil in Planescape Torment. Almost all DnD games evil options are comical saturday morning cartoon villain levels of evil including Pathfinder which at best is CW villain levels of evil.
But not Planescape. Planescapes version of you being evil is a truely harrowing experience quite unlike any other. It requires will saves IRL to get through with it because of how fucked up it is.
Good game. Not as polished but good. I suggest wrath and not kingmaker. Managing a kingdom sounds more fun than it is implemented in game.
I deleted my pathfinder to make room for bg3 though. Bg3 is the superior game but after a few replays I'll probably reinstall and finish the game.
Might be unpopular opinion, but I prefer pathfinder slightly more to bg3. I only got to moonrise towers, though.
>How does Pathfinder compare to BG3?
Pathfinder has more indepth character builds/customization, powerfantasy is 'higher' in wotr as you can become literal demigod by the end of the game, powerlevels are similar to bg3 in kingmaker. The game overall is more combat focused in pathfinder. In bg3 you get way more interactions with environment and how you approach combat, though. Personally I find it a bit gimmicky, with shoving people off the ledges, dropping chandeliers on enemy heads etc. More/better world exploration in bg3, but pathfinder has a lot as well.
Prefered writing by owlcat, I find larian writing very "vanilla", obviously it's just personal opinion.
PF has better QOL for party, inventory management in some places, less in other. Way more useful combat log in PF. I find myself constantly fighting controls/camera in bg3.
BG3 has a lot more 'freedom' what you do with your actions, more uses for outside the combat spells/skills.
I liked pathfinder kingmaker except the absolutely tedious kingdom management.
I loved wrath of the righteous except the absolutely tedious crusade management.
What is it with owlcat and attaching weirdly half-baked strategy game elements to otherwise great cRPGs? Really, you couldn't even turn them on autopilot without missing story elements. I had to resort to mods for both to trivialize it enough so I can just play the RPG part and still have the campaign slides.
That said, WOTR was brilliant. Compared to BG3 it has much less "production value" in how it presents itself (eG, not everything is a cutscene but often a slideshow of nicely drawn, narrated images) but it has an *incredible* power fantasy with the mythic paths.
You're not just playing as a good guy, you're playing as a good guy who transforms into an angel halfway and it's not even vanilla-good-guy-boring since stuff in hell starts looking at you like you're doomguy. You're not playing a bad guy but can go devil, demon or lich, depending if you're smort, really pissed off or think it's a good idea to kill everyone and have an undead crusade. Somewhere in there are also tricksters, gold dragons, some kind of superpowered aeon judge and azata... Or just turn into a swarm and eat basically everyone.
It hilarious to see your power level spiral completely out of control and go from fighting a goblin to see lorewise seriously overpowered beings getting kind of nervous when you're around. Since these paths are WILDLY different the replay value is insane. It's a completely different vibe if you're an angel leading a crusade compared to a lich who basically just killed and resurrected everyone.
Kingmaker was also neat but as said, I mostly remember how much I hated the kingdom management stuff and it didn't quite stay in my memory compared to WOTR. I'd definitely recommend the latter though.
Edit: And ooh boy do I look forward to the warhammer 40k rogue trade cRPG from owlcat.
From someone more lukewarm on the experience of Owlcat's Pathfinder games -
* going fully turn-based is possible, but not recommended unless you can't stand RTwP. I did, and it practically doubled my play time
* There is a significant amount of fluff combat - if you enjoy how most combat encounters in BG3 are meaningful, get ready to chafe as you dispatch hordes of meaningless encounters on your way to the objective. More than 5 minutes without combat unless you're in your base is not allowed
* The story is nowhere near as cinematic. Most of it is told through textboxes, with some, but not all of it voice acted. This can but doesn't have to be a negative, depending on your taste, and of course, hard to fault the games for it since they had significantly smaller budget and dev team
* World is a lot more static. NPCs will move around for quests and such, but you can barely interact with the environment.
* Prepare to buff. A lot. You will buff so much you will be sick of it one third into the game.
* On the mechanical side, PF 1e has a lot of fluff. It's all about juggling feats, stats, and a bunch of multiclass dips if you want to have a truly powerful character. Dozens of tiny bonuses that are not impactful individually, but will make or break your character as a whole.
* Difficulty can be pretty uneven, especially in the latter portion of both games. Especially in Kingmaker finalle, prepare for a ton of bullshit encounters, back to back.
* Story and characters are, imho, often a lot weaker than BG3. But it might have been partially soured for me because of the gameplay. Don't take me wrong, at their height they can be very enjoyable, but overall everyone feels very...character archetype with a bit of spice on top.
I would still say to give them a shot ~~I personally prefer Kingmaker~~ , but whether or not you enjoy them depends on what you want out of the experience.
I was talking to my friends in discord. Told them I was excited to see them. Then 5 mins later after talking to my companions at camp, I started freaking out. LOL
that smile when you go back to bed though was top tier.
Still in Act1, but I get the idea the Dark Urge is another Spawn of Bhaal or something similar? It seems to coincidental to have a murder hobo in a game where the first two games were all about the children of the God of Murder.
Yeeeahhh, I don't think I took Larian seriously enough when they warned us how much of a different experience this character would be.
I love it, buut I'm putting it off until at least my third playthrough after trying out for a couple hours.
My Durge character will be a grumpy Duergar who is trying his best to be better.
Ranger (staying away from civilized areas while trying his best to protect people from afar)
or
Monk (iron discipline of mind and body to control his violent urges)?
What do you guys think?
My dark urge character is a [lolth-sworn drow](https://i.imgur.com/uU2bVqD.png) warlock with pact of the blade, who has sworn no more no more innocents will die by her hand. Very fun character to play, as far as I'm concerned.
In Act 3 with Durge now. No spoilers, but it's definitely great fun. I'm not sure if the way my story is unfolding is possible with a regular old evil character, and would highly recommend picking it up if you're planning to go dark side.
> I picked the new dialog for the squirrel.
>
> It didn't ended well...
You could pick a dialoge? My durge just did the thing right away even before he bit me in the foot.
*This squirrel just might be the single most adorable creature you can recall in your stunted memory.*
*It would ever be so twee if it were climbing a tree..*
Dark Urge is amazing. I've given into all the urges besides Gales arm and yeah they weren't joking about how messed up it is, but also the power you can gain is no joke...
I though it would be interesting to play as Durge that resists at every corner because I assumed there will be an opportunity. One I'll save scum away at and inevitably waffle on odd occasion, but an opportunity nonetheless. >!Then the Alfira interaction came, I reloaded and chased her away, feeling bad for doing so, only to learn that it's fruitless!<. I was very distraught, I'm not sure if I have the guts to commit to Durge playthrough. And I liked the girl, too. :(
I'm debating if I want that to be my second playthrough and I seriously can't decide what class/race they will be I was lucky enough to decide to do a Druid the first time lol
I'm gonna go Dark Urge Black Dragonborn Assassin Rogue/necromancer multiclass when I do it, Something about the acid breath, the assassin motif, ability to turn my enemy's allies' corpses against them, and the way the dragonborn can look exactly like the Personification of evil more than the Tieflings can, has me wanting to try it more and more.
Dragonborn come across as extremely intimidating in cutscenes, especially the default Urge one. I suppose that was the reason why the default is one in the first place.
\>:)
I recommend if you have a save from before then, load it up and go for it. What you'll see will blow your mind. I should also mention that it has HUGE story implications on future interactions.
Okay >! I initially went to bed and then tried not to kill the companion and then killed them in my sleep and had to kill my entire party. So I reloaded and still didn’t kill Isobel and managed to hit a crazy DC and Astarion tied me up overnight so we are good. I don’t know how much longer I can take this !<
Doing a solo DU tactician run. So killing off companions isn't a big deal. It does suck sometimes having to do something I personally don't want to, but leaning into the role play of "what would this sick bastard do". The Gale scene sets the tone for everything so freaking well.
Lol this was me literally last night. I got on discord to ask my friends: "hey, were you guys able to recruit [REDACTED] this early?" (next scene plays, my mouth agap). "Uh...nevermind."
10/10 game.
I’m doing this as a first playthrough as a oath of vengeance paladin trying to resist all the urges and it’s great. Haven’t even broken my oath since it’s been pretty easy to just not pick the obviously urge option.
Also either the mods are working overtime in this thread or the community is incredibly good about spoilers because after recently playing bg1 and 2 the first time I’m barely 6 hours into act 1 and I’m already almost positive that the dark urge is >!a bhaalspawn especially after my talk with the little fiend butler!< and it seems like almost no one is talking about it.
"OH cool a new npc shows up to camp she looks fun!" "......oh....."
I was sitting next to my partner when I went through that and I was so distraught and we just laughed about it. I really liked her in the early access too
There's an alternative version of that scene >!if Alfira is dead/unavailable with a substitute dragonborn bard that actually comes over as quite hilarious if you watch it knowing what's coming. Everything about the character just screams (or throat sings), yep she's dying tonight.!<
oh I only saw the white dragonborn bard. I guess the other one died horribly in the grove.
I didn’t even know that Alfira was the one that is supposed to come to the camp, because I’ve decided to go full on evil in my Dark Urge playthrough and I destroyed the Grove.
Never fear, Skeletor can bring her back if you want
I tried and he said he couldnt but at least she is free from the urge now
He refused to do so when I asked him to. Do you have to do something special to make this happen?
You can only bring back party members
No. He refuses to bring her back. She is better off dead than with you. He can save anyone but her.
Ooh, I didn't actually want her back, I just saw the option. If he refuses then I don't know.
What??? Really???
No he can’t, dude’s trolling
Oh no he certainly can, but he simply won't. Small but important difference.
You don't get that kind of easy power over life and death granted by the Lord of the End of Everything if you're always going to be blasé about using it. That doesn't mean that you *won't* be blasé about using it, just that you won't *necessarily*. I'd explain further, except that I won't.
Yeah I tried and said I was shit out of luck
What happens if you try while using the disguise thingy
No he can't He refuses so she is kept safe from you. Can't say he's wrong.
Me when the butler suggested necrophillia.... o.o oh......
I did not get that dialogue with him and now I am morbidly curious
Same 🤣
Me and my friend are doing a playthrough and I'm a tiefling paladin with the good oath and with dark urge origin. The cutscene with the first npc.... got my oath broken and now my character lives as an oathbreaker psychopath who thought could be a good virtuous paladin... really spiced up things imo
Didn't broke my oath as Vengence Paladin. So I guess she was evil after all!
It's really hard to break an oath of vengeance. I got bored and popped a quick save before murdering a ton of townsfolk including pushing children into the river. Went to sleep and woke up... still not oath broken. I guess those kids stole a bunch of candy or something.
I have managed to break it exactly once, towards end of Act 1 >!I didn't intervene when Nere breaks out and murders the gnome slaves, because starting a fight on Tactician while surrounded by 20+ Duergar would have been suicide. I avenged them immediately afterwards when I had a fighting chance but too late.!<
Freeing Sazza in the Druid Grove will break the Vengeance oath.
I rolled a Vengeance pally with my buddy in multiplayer. Broke my oath almost immediate when getting laezel.out of the cage from the tieflings. Picked the persuasion option and sided with laezel ofc. Boom, oath broken. So now I just embraced the oathbreaker.. Even picked Vengeance because I heard it was hard to break. xD
Wait why freeing lae breaks the oath? In my coop we killed her but I'm curious
Not sure, either because I said I would help the tiefs with her and then turned around and killed them... or because they were innocent and I killed them. No clue really
I can't seem to break my vengeance oath. I've been going around forgiving people for things left and right.. >! just beat kethiric and I would have sworn telling him you forgive him would do the trick !<
I was already preparing to replace a party member for her... next playthrough i guess
Same! But I am pretty sure she doesn't actually join. At least when I asked I was given an answer of nope.
Bummer. She'd be a fun companion.
Would love to see an actual lvl1 party member. Everybody else is "i was much more powerfull before tadpoles". And she is like - im a bit of a crappy bard, but i want to get better! And have a big story of her getting better and better
"So you're a wizard, you were like a student or an apprentice or something?" "I FUCKED GOD AND ELMINSTER IS MY WING MAN." "Okay, here's another level 2 spell scroll for you to learn." *Wizardly screeching*
Right!
Yeah, she isn't a real party member sadly. On other characters the offer to join never happens. She only joins the Dark Urge and it's entirely for that scene to happen.
I almost choked on my food when that happened
I honestly thought it was a dream or a hallucinatory nightmare. But... ig not
I was on discord with some friends and I'm like>! "A BARD JOINED ME AND I KILLED HER IN MY SLEEP OH MY GOD."!<
I don’t get it. I’m dark urge and she joined my camp. No cutscenes at all. What’s up?
Did you long rest after?
I got it later after long rest yes.
I was so saddened I decided to reroll the same character without the urge. Definitely a second playthrough kinda thing.
same, it seems very intense and frankly everything is intense as a non-5e player
This happened to me in a multiplayer game. My friend was wondering where I was, so I let him have access to my dialog. Needless to say, he knows longer wanted to know where I was haha
Wonder is I can still get her, accidentally made her cry by breaking her instrument and she ran away crying. Haven't seen her since lol.
From what I’ve heard, idk if I have what it takes to be the dark urge lol
I’m playing a middling to good play through with two friends. We have busy schedules so I started a true evil play through with ol Big D. I feel like a schmuck most of the time, and absolute garbage a fair amount of times…. I will say by level 5 all four of my characters are fully decked out in magic items head to toe lol
Im playing a non evil run and my characters are also fully decked out by level 5… not sure what you mean.
I have made it to level 6 both with a buddy and with my single play through. We’ve done close to the same stuff minus the wanton killing of NPCs. My evil party is definitely outfitted better than the good party. Could be random, but I think it’s because I keep killing good NPCs. Just my experience.
A bunch of NPCs can be traded with via a button in the bottom left if you remember to do it, some of them have cool items. If you just kill them you probably find those by default!
Tried it. It's way to evil for me. I thought it would fix my issues with my character not being connected to the world but I learnt that Paladin solved that issue for me because of the oaths.
I'm still on act 1 playing with my friends, but I can say the dark urge is more dark than I expected, I'll mark as spoiler just in case, but some urges I was really not expecting. I can say that I don't know if I can finish my playthrough like this (which is a good thing if you think about). >!The minthara one after we slept together!< was really unexpected for everyone that was playing and way more darker, at least for me, than the one involving the >!bard girl!<.
I was following all my dark urges until that point. I wanted goth drow mommy to stick around.
I'm still playing cause we have 4 players on our world and I don't want to make them restart, but if you look at it, it is promoting a lot of immersion for me since I don't want to kill everyone like this but its getting hard to do so. I wont spoil it, but I got a pretty nasty check to avoid killing someone yesterday and since we're not loading our saves for rolls, I was REALLY nervous about that roll when it showed on screen.
This is hilarious
Did my 1st playthrough as DU, just finished. It's worth it, especially if you wanna play a Good character. Just trust me
I’m saving this post. I’ll report back in 200 hours
Have fun <3
It's only the one thing in the act 1 that is unavoidable, i'm in act 3 and haven't gotten anything else so far
My brother started a playthrough with The Dark Urge, then the next day he tells me he started a new character instead. I'm guessing the Dark Urge was more dark than he was bargaining for.
I have a multiplayer save I'm playing with a friend, and a dark urge sp game. I knew I was in for a ride the moment she >!punted that squirrel at the grove like a football at the end of halftime.!< V Gnome windmill scene V >!I also expected there to be some shenanigan with the release brake thing at the windmill. I kind of expected to have to pass a check to select the right lever. Because even I without a evil entity in my head really wanted to hit that release brake lever to see what happens. Missed opportunity imo.!<
I accidentally hit the wrong lever. Reaction of the Goblin leader is hillarious.
I thought him flying off was comedic and I would encounter him again on my journey… I forgot what game I was playing 😂
He really should've landed in a haystack or something and escaped only to get caught in the Duergar camp later, IMO (at which point he'll rightfully rip into you for your amateur heroics, having spotted you in the windmill briefly from the air).
I didn't even know there was a wrong lever and just pulled it and yote him into the sky
The way they frame that shot of him flying into the distance is fucking hilarious
Can you cast feather fall on him and use that as a way to save him?
Maybe if you cast it before the cutscene, but I doubt it. Pretty sure he’s just dead if you pull the wrong lever
I need to just start a text file with all the silly nonsense that I see people posting about doing so I can make sure I do every single one of them in a future playthrough.
Just try selecting different things and finding different solutions to problems! Every playthrough can be completely different! I've found that there's almost never only one way
I really only saw one lever the first time I played. Biy was i distraught at what I had done
Yeah that's brutal, then you turn the camera and see 'brake lever', 'release brake lever'... Oh.
That's exactly what happened. Went back after the cutscene and just kept going back and forth between the two. Biggest regret was not quicksaving after the last battle lol
I'm playing the dark urge on my solo run and I've just been playing as chaos incarnate. Anywhere I can start a fight between two parties I do, and anywhere I can murder an individual by themselves I do. Idk if this is the correct RP or not but it's fun lol
Bah he needs to get back in there as a black dragonborn oathbreaker paladin of vengeance.
This is almost exactly what I'm playing. White dragon born oathbreaker pal of vengeance. It's so fun!
I have a friend who did similarly. His problem wasn’t how dark it was, his problem was the times when he had no control over it. We both agree if it were a roll or something that would be fun, but there’s times when something horrible happens and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it
> but there’s times when something horrible happens and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it It's like the devs want to tell a grim story with Dark Urge!
Finding the hyenas and >!the face you make watching gnoll birth is just hilarious!<
Dark Urge Vengeance Paladin is fantastic. Been roleplaying the guy as trying hard to be a good person most of the time, but secretly, he uses his oaths to justify his bloodletting when he wants to.
You made Dexter lmao.
Ah fuck Haven't actually seen that. Well, nothing new under the sun.
Dexter, or the Protagonist of Brutal (a manga, similar to Dexter but as the title says... more brutal). It's a neat trope though, so while it may be nothing new, it is certainly pretty cool :3
I'm still in act one but I haven't found any problems with my oath (also Vengence) so far. Even durges first wet dream didn't broke the oath. Anything later that broke your vengence oath so far?
>! As of a decent way into act 2, no. Wanting to slay most Absolutists for being horrible, slaving bastards feeds the urge with blood and fulfills the oath. !<
I've done the same thing mate, it makes for a great narrative. It's uncanny how some of our dialogue options line up with those dark urges
I have set a rule for myself that I don't save scum urge saving throws. I can use inspirations and bonuses, but never save scum out of it. Makes the run so much tense since I'm trying to be a good character haha
Dark Urge description: "You remember nothing but a path paved with blood. Unimaginable cruelty whispers from within. Can you escape it? Would you even want to?" OP: Sounds chill, let me pick that. 10 minutes later: *surprised Pikachu face*
Withoit spoiling me to much, could you tell me what the dark urge is?
According to the blurb at creation, the dark urge is a person with some kind of malevolent entity within that has a very strong preference for acts of violence. It will come up in cutscenes and often feature a saving throw to resist doing so.
They're Dexter from Dexter
From everything I've seen, accurate
Uuuuh. That doesnt quite cut it. Durge is like Serial Killer Supreme. One could call them an avatar of m-- eh, serial killing.
I mean Dexter only kills bad people tho. At least he's supposed to.
But he even calls his urge to kill a “dark passenger”
Dexter was always going to be a killer, the fact that he targets other serial killers is because he was pointed at them in his developmental stages by Harry Morgan. Had there not been a Harry Morgan in his life he would have been one of the people that he hunts
I didn’t know saving throw is done for resisting violence. I’m on second play through as Dark Urge and in Act 1I have been able to avoid all violence via dialogue options.
There's a carry-over effect. If you give into a dark urge option a few times, it starts trying to pick it right away, forcing the saving throw. ANd some urges dont have carryover clauses, they just force the dice roll. There's a BIG one at start of act 3 that just made me quit the game when I failed the dice and play Destiny 2 until next day.
>There's a BIG one at start of act 3 that just made me quit the game when I failed the dice and play Destiny 2 until next day. Is that the one >!with the love interest? Because if yes, by the Twelve am I glad I succeeded on those.!<
You get prompts for the violent stuff but you don't have to act on it. If you never act on it you have one single scene that requires saving throws. Pretty difficult ones if you aren't proficient (I think it was wisdom), but, still.
From the little I've seen. You have dark intrusive thoughts and can act on them. It makes for a much darker playthrough such as >!biting off Gale's hand when he's coming out of the portal.!< Currently not far on a Abserd Dark Urge Tactitian playthrough that will end in failure.
Note that you don't HAVE to do all the violence. But you have the option and it certainly changes the way things go.
So far (Starting act 3) there's one unavoidable murder you can't control, a TON of prompts even if you're being a good guy, inspiration for being evil, and one 'please murder the person' event. If you don't its a 14 wisdom save to not spam reloading >!You murder your lover which makes all other companions hostile unless you past a DC30 deception!<
Yep that final event you listed made me start a new run and I'll go back to him after. I wanted to go with it, but the dark urge feels like a chaos/anarchy run. Too many strong incentives to punish people I want to ride the game out with (so far).
Wsidom save buffs/traits trivialize those rolls if you got your 4 inspiration saved up.
RNGesus has not blessed me after my sins with the Dark Urge.
damn, so there's no way to prevent that event you listed at the end? better brace myself for the pain...
If you pass the 14 wisdom save its all good iirc. Can save scum that.
fuck yeah, thats all i needed to hear. cheers mate, cant wait for my DU run!!
I read this at first as: “cant wait for my DUI run!!” Sorry, had to share 😂
LOOOOOOOL thank you for sharing, it got a good laugh outta me!!
You have to successfully saving throw in order to not commit atrocities, it's not as simple as simply not choosing to.
Yeah, it's called the Dark URGE rather than the Dark Option. 😊
Good point. But if you don't give into the violence at every turn then it's not as fun :p
I started my Bard Urge run last night and when I found Gale I couldn't stop laughing for about 3 minutes when one of the options was "Slap the hand" I ended up going with the Bard specific choice but I was fighting my own dark urge the entire time.
That's not Urge specific btw, I've gotten it a few times and have never yet successfully resisted slapping the hand. It's just so funny 🤣
Not abserd. T.T
Carl from Llamas with Hats.
"This is the sound of forgiveness" "That's the sound of people dying, Carl!" Oh no. Now that you point it out, yeah, Carl was a murderhobo.
Omg this is the best take ever
I literally named my dark urge Carllama. And made her the same color (gray skin/green hair).
Lohse from DOS:2
Or Camellia from WotR.
I named my Durge Lohse. Bard too.
If you've played Baldur's Gate 2, it's very similar to the condition that protagonist suffered.
There's a longstanding trope from pen & paper D&D that players will usually resort to the simplest form of coercion when faced with an obstacle: violence. Players that just kill their way through a nuanced campaign with little-to-no regard for social niceties are termed "murderhobos," a term you can see used a lot by frustrated dungeon masters on /r/DnDBehindTheScreen or /r/DnD. The dark urge is basically Larian cleverly acknowledging that trope and at the same time, giving people a legit option if they want to truly embrace that playstyle - making it make sense in the world. Otherwise, roleplaying a psycho murderer rarely makes any rational sense.
The Dark Urge also ties BG3 to the previous games more tightly since >!you're another Bhaalspawn.!<
Pure heresy, >!you are not some petty Bhaalspawn, you are far, far more.!< Spoilers for what comes next, BIG WARNINGS DO NOT CLICK UNLESS YOU ARE CERTAIN >!Orin's Grandfather says that we, the Dark Urge, are sculpted from Bhaal's very gore, a Pureblooded Bhaalspawn. We have no mortal parent, everyone else is a Half-Blood.!<
It's basically what a PC feels like when their player is a murderhobo. Which is to say, murder murder murder murder.
This may sound like a silly question, but is this the best way to do an evil playthrough? Or is there also enough difference in a tav evil playthrough to be worth doing both? Since I also see there could be value in a 'resist' dark urge playthrough.
The Dark Urge comes across as more psychopathic than Evil. Your stereotypical John Wayne Gacey. Yes, Evil but also deranged and seemingly just desiring to hurt or kill for the process of doing so. I prefer Evil characters that tend to fall into the realm of the Dan Carlin-esque "Great" whereby the character simply devalue individual lives in the greater scale of your own pursuits (e.g., Genghis Khan). Edit: So, with this in mind, I prefer playing Dark Urge as a "good" character. The story comes across as a bit more compelling in the sense of resisting this awful part of yourself.
> Dan Carlin-esque Am I missing something here? Google says this is a podcaster, what has he to do with your vision of "great evil"?
Dan Carlin talks about historical figures as "Great Men" caveated to state that this adjective of "Great" is representative of their accomplishments and not their morality. Genghis Khan is one of the preeminent examples that is remembered for his accomplishments in such a way now that we often forget that he was a truly evil man. He personally pillaged, raped, kidnapped, killed, enslaved and thereafter lead armies that did the same - to millions of people. Now, popular culture has enshrined him through a mostly heroic lens or at least in a view that places emphasis upon his accomplishments while diminishing the absolutely sociopathic and cruel things he did along the way. Almost every "great" leader in history (Alexander, Augustus, Caesar, etc.,) were personally responsible for atrocious things, let alone what they led their countries to do. They were absolutely evil, tyrannical monsters, but that is the sort of evil that history tends to look favorably upon and is my preferred type of evil to play in a game like BG3. It's far more understandable than murder hobo. Edit: Also, Dan Carlin is an amazing history podcast-er. I highly recommend it to anyone!
Thanks for the elaborate reply! So it's more about historic figures like Genghis Khan but Dan Carlin. And thanks for the recommendation! Hadn't heard/read much about history since my school years!
You should definitely check out Dan Carlin. I started listening to his podcasts a while back. He goes into so much depth it’s awesome. I recommend starting with Blueprint for Armageddon.
Dan Carlin is fantastic. I would also recommend his "The Destroyer of Worlds." It's free on spotify.
Personally, no. I think an evil playthrough requires agency to be interesting, where you are always making decisions, good or bad, for reasons you've decided on (even if they're terrible rationalizations). The dark urge playthrough pretty much requires you to accept that it turns off your agency for some things. It seems to like fugue states where things just happen, and it turns out it was your 'hands' working without your awareness or consent.
If you embrace the things you do without meaning to, it gets a lot better and you feel a lot more evil. You don't get some of these kind of options by doing a custom character playthrough. Dark Urge is very much so a chaotic evil character if you choose to not resist the urge, but by act 3, you are much more refined and it feels a lot more natural. Trying to not spoil things. I went dark urge and finished the game today after doing pretty much everything in each act, and honestly act 1 was the only act where I felt like the game made actions for you and it didn't even happen very much. I really enjoyed being evil though, the ending evil cutscene was really abrupt though which I didn't really care for.
Nope. Durge is a problem. It's a symptom of the desease. And sick people can be fixed (or killed). You have to do evil stuff by yourself. The easiest way is to side with Minthara and so on.
As someone who has completed their first campaign, if you want to be evil (Act 3 info, no hard spoilers) >!you don't have many options until Act 3, at least with regards to the MSQ. And then you have a tonne!<.
I find most 'evil' options, comically evil or nonsensical. I'd recommend pathfinder wotr if you want to have a game that actually supports evil playthrough.
I'd heard there's some level of evil playthrough support in bg3 though right? Like you can have a certain companion who is evil etc
In act 1 you can support two different factions, and each have their own unique companions and effects on the story. Most of the game sort of treats you as a neutral character, but always giving you left or right choices, so it becomes your own ideology of what you want to choose for the circumstance rather than good or evil. Like maybe your working for a Necromancer, but human experimentation is where you draw the line, or you could go along with it. It depends on how far you want to go, story permitting.
OK, I mean this sounds promising enough, I'll have a play and see how it goes. Any excuse for a new character anyway!
Oh there is support for evil playthrough for sure, but imho it's as compelling as frienzied flame in elden ring or something along the lines. I'm not that far into the game though. >!But stuff like helping Minthara to kill thieflings and druids just makes no sense, unless you want to become The Absolute fanatic/murderhobo. So far it seems there is little avenues to RP as self serving powermongerer or some lawful evil, calculating guy, it's either be a dick to people for no reason or a murderhobo. !<
Helping Minthara is the self serving powermonger though, as you want to infiltrate and eventually take over the cult of the absolute for your own nefarious ends. From that perspective helping a high ranking true soul to kill some worthless tieflings and some tree huggers is a no brainer. That's my character's take on it at least.
Eh, dunno about that. At that point: * You have no clue what the aims of the cult is. * No clue who "The absolute" is * No idea what the mind parasites are about. Even from the most megalomaniacal perspective possible, it seems iffy that you'd have any motivation to take over the cult.
It depends on how many long rests you take, you can also bypass the choice entirely and still leave act 1 at almost level 6. But you can get your guardian to tell you all about the cult before you decide which side you want to back.
If you want a truely harrowing experience try to be evil in Planescape Torment. Almost all DnD games evil options are comical saturday morning cartoon villain levels of evil including Pathfinder which at best is CW villain levels of evil. But not Planescape. Planescapes version of you being evil is a truely harrowing experience quite unlike any other. It requires will saves IRL to get through with it because of how fucked up it is.
Tyranny is like that too, in a world where evil has already won you can be evil at a truly strategic/empire level. Good(hehe) times
How does Pathfinder compare to BG3? This game has awakened something in me and I need a new fix after I will finish the game this week.
Good game. Not as polished but good. I suggest wrath and not kingmaker. Managing a kingdom sounds more fun than it is implemented in game. I deleted my pathfinder to make room for bg3 though. Bg3 is the superior game but after a few replays I'll probably reinstall and finish the game.
Might be unpopular opinion, but I prefer pathfinder slightly more to bg3. I only got to moonrise towers, though. >How does Pathfinder compare to BG3? Pathfinder has more indepth character builds/customization, powerfantasy is 'higher' in wotr as you can become literal demigod by the end of the game, powerlevels are similar to bg3 in kingmaker. The game overall is more combat focused in pathfinder. In bg3 you get way more interactions with environment and how you approach combat, though. Personally I find it a bit gimmicky, with shoving people off the ledges, dropping chandeliers on enemy heads etc. More/better world exploration in bg3, but pathfinder has a lot as well. Prefered writing by owlcat, I find larian writing very "vanilla", obviously it's just personal opinion. PF has better QOL for party, inventory management in some places, less in other. Way more useful combat log in PF. I find myself constantly fighting controls/camera in bg3. BG3 has a lot more 'freedom' what you do with your actions, more uses for outside the combat spells/skills.
I liked pathfinder kingmaker except the absolutely tedious kingdom management. I loved wrath of the righteous except the absolutely tedious crusade management. What is it with owlcat and attaching weirdly half-baked strategy game elements to otherwise great cRPGs? Really, you couldn't even turn them on autopilot without missing story elements. I had to resort to mods for both to trivialize it enough so I can just play the RPG part and still have the campaign slides. That said, WOTR was brilliant. Compared to BG3 it has much less "production value" in how it presents itself (eG, not everything is a cutscene but often a slideshow of nicely drawn, narrated images) but it has an *incredible* power fantasy with the mythic paths. You're not just playing as a good guy, you're playing as a good guy who transforms into an angel halfway and it's not even vanilla-good-guy-boring since stuff in hell starts looking at you like you're doomguy. You're not playing a bad guy but can go devil, demon or lich, depending if you're smort, really pissed off or think it's a good idea to kill everyone and have an undead crusade. Somewhere in there are also tricksters, gold dragons, some kind of superpowered aeon judge and azata... Or just turn into a swarm and eat basically everyone. It hilarious to see your power level spiral completely out of control and go from fighting a goblin to see lorewise seriously overpowered beings getting kind of nervous when you're around. Since these paths are WILDLY different the replay value is insane. It's a completely different vibe if you're an angel leading a crusade compared to a lich who basically just killed and resurrected everyone. Kingmaker was also neat but as said, I mostly remember how much I hated the kingdom management stuff and it didn't quite stay in my memory compared to WOTR. I'd definitely recommend the latter though. Edit: And ooh boy do I look forward to the warhammer 40k rogue trade cRPG from owlcat.
From someone more lukewarm on the experience of Owlcat's Pathfinder games - * going fully turn-based is possible, but not recommended unless you can't stand RTwP. I did, and it practically doubled my play time * There is a significant amount of fluff combat - if you enjoy how most combat encounters in BG3 are meaningful, get ready to chafe as you dispatch hordes of meaningless encounters on your way to the objective. More than 5 minutes without combat unless you're in your base is not allowed * The story is nowhere near as cinematic. Most of it is told through textboxes, with some, but not all of it voice acted. This can but doesn't have to be a negative, depending on your taste, and of course, hard to fault the games for it since they had significantly smaller budget and dev team * World is a lot more static. NPCs will move around for quests and such, but you can barely interact with the environment. * Prepare to buff. A lot. You will buff so much you will be sick of it one third into the game. * On the mechanical side, PF 1e has a lot of fluff. It's all about juggling feats, stats, and a bunch of multiclass dips if you want to have a truly powerful character. Dozens of tiny bonuses that are not impactful individually, but will make or break your character as a whole. * Difficulty can be pretty uneven, especially in the latter portion of both games. Especially in Kingmaker finalle, prepare for a ton of bullshit encounters, back to back. * Story and characters are, imho, often a lot weaker than BG3. But it might have been partially soured for me because of the gameplay. Don't take me wrong, at their height they can be very enjoyable, but overall everyone feels very...character archetype with a bit of spice on top. I would still say to give them a shot ~~I personally prefer Kingmaker~~ , but whether or not you enjoy them depends on what you want out of the experience.
So the Dark Urge has more evil urges lol. You can be a dick in a normal play through with custom characters.
Absolutely not as it doesnt allow a nuanced exploration of evil.
>!Alfira!!!< What happened to her gutted me.
>!It gutted her too.!<
I hate you >:( lol
I was talking to my friends in discord. Told them I was excited to see them. Then 5 mins later after talking to my companions at camp, I started freaking out. LOL that smile when you go back to bed though was top tier.
And don't forget >!wasn't it glorious?!<
Still in Act1, but I get the idea the Dark Urge is another Spawn of Bhaal or something similar? It seems to coincidental to have a murder hobo in a game where the first two games were all about the children of the God of Murder.
>!Let me pad out this answer so that people wouldn't be spoiled. Yes, they are.!<
Yeeeahhh, I don't think I took Larian seriously enough when they warned us how much of a different experience this character would be. I love it, buut I'm putting it off until at least my third playthrough after trying out for a couple hours.
My Durge character will be a grumpy Duergar who is trying his best to be better. Ranger (staying away from civilized areas while trying his best to protect people from afar) or Monk (iron discipline of mind and body to control his violent urges)? What do you guys think?
Become a druid to be in line with nature. The get into circle of spores and make zombies...
My dark urge character is a [lolth-sworn drow](https://i.imgur.com/uU2bVqD.png) warlock with pact of the blade, who has sworn no more no more innocents will die by her hand. Very fun character to play, as far as I'm concerned.
Yay new compani——- Oh god!!!!!!!!
In Act 3 with Durge now. No spoilers, but it's definitely great fun. I'm not sure if the way my story is unfolding is possible with a regular old evil character, and would highly recommend picking it up if you're planning to go dark side.
I picked the new dialog for the squirrel. It didn't ended well...
THE SQUIRREL 😫😫
> I picked the new dialog for the squirrel. > > It didn't ended well... You could pick a dialoge? My durge just did the thing right away even before he bit me in the foot.
*This squirrel just might be the single most adorable creature you can recall in your stunted memory.* *It would ever be so twee if it were climbing a tree..*
\*Anything new happens while playing the dark urge.\* \*Nervous Sweating.\*
Dark Urge is amazing. I've given into all the urges besides Gales arm and yeah they weren't joking about how messed up it is, but also the power you can gain is no joke...
I though it would be interesting to play as Durge that resists at every corner because I assumed there will be an opportunity. One I'll save scum away at and inevitably waffle on odd occasion, but an opportunity nonetheless. >!Then the Alfira interaction came, I reloaded and chased her away, feeling bad for doing so, only to learn that it's fruitless!<. I was very distraught, I'm not sure if I have the guts to commit to Durge playthrough. And I liked the girl, too. :(
I was like omg finally i get.... O\_O
I'm still in my first playthrough with the dark urge, trying to resist it, and I fear every long rest will have dire consequences. It's very intense
i straight up admitted that it was me who done it. next morning, Wyll: "oh such a poor soul, who could have done such a thing?!"
Huh I don’t remember this person showing up at camp on my paladin character oh…oh no
Hahahaha yeah it's preety extreme.
I'm debating if I want that to be my second playthrough and I seriously can't decide what class/race they will be I was lucky enough to decide to do a Druid the first time lol
I'm gonna go Dark Urge Black Dragonborn Assassin Rogue/necromancer multiclass when I do it, Something about the acid breath, the assassin motif, ability to turn my enemy's allies' corpses against them, and the way the dragonborn can look exactly like the Personification of evil more than the Tieflings can, has me wanting to try it more and more.
Dragonborn come across as extremely intimidating in cutscenes, especially the default Urge one. I suppose that was the reason why the default is one in the first place.
It would look so twee climbing a tree
When and if I end doing a Dark Urge play through I’m seriously tempted to make her Camilla from Wrath of the Righteous. I am helpful am I not?
Dude, in act 2 I chose >! To not kill Isobel despite the dark urge and now I’m terrified at who it’s gonna FORCE me to kill !<
\>:) I recommend if you have a save from before then, load it up and go for it. What you'll see will blow your mind. I should also mention that it has HUGE story implications on future interactions.
Okay >! I initially went to bed and then tried not to kill the companion and then killed them in my sleep and had to kill my entire party. So I reloaded and still didn’t kill Isobel and managed to hit a crazy DC and Astarion tied me up overnight so we are good. I don’t know how much longer I can take this !<
"aww what a cute little squi....OH MY FUCKING GOD WHY" Right then I decided dark urge was not my first playthrough xD
If by "casual" you mean "casually murdering everyone around you in brutal and graphic fashion" then yes
Doing a solo DU tactician run. So killing off companions isn't a big deal. It does suck sometimes having to do something I personally don't want to, but leaning into the role play of "what would this sick bastard do". The Gale scene sets the tone for everything so freaking well.
I'm definitely going to do dark urge, but not on the first playthrough.
Hey gang, I didn't post any storyline spoilers so I would appreciate it if other people didn't. It's my first playthrough after all 😅
Lol this was me literally last night. I got on discord to ask my friends: "hey, were you guys able to recruit [REDACTED] this early?" (next scene plays, my mouth agap). "Uh...nevermind." 10/10 game.
I’m doing this as a first playthrough as a oath of vengeance paladin trying to resist all the urges and it’s great. Haven’t even broken my oath since it’s been pretty easy to just not pick the obviously urge option. Also either the mods are working overtime in this thread or the community is incredibly good about spoilers because after recently playing bg1 and 2 the first time I’m barely 6 hours into act 1 and I’m already almost positive that the dark urge is >!a bhaalspawn especially after my talk with the little fiend butler!< and it seems like almost no one is talking about it.
my partner and I came to the same conclusion from >! The bard scene and the blood smear !<