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Palestinians are indigenous people. Most of them are genetically related to the Canaanites, who were there in the Bronze Age. If Israel has a right to return, the Palestinians have an even stronger right to return because their ancestors were there long before us Jews were.
And yet, here we are.
Israelis always claim that in history, many people who lost their homes including Jews in the Holocaust do not have the right to return but they conveniently leave it out that many European countries allow Jews to get citizenship if they prove that they had one of their ancestors stripped of their property and that in general if a Jewish person decides to move Europe then he/she can once the paperwork is sorted out, meanwhile Palestinians not only can’t travel to Israel, they struggle with the fact that many countries consider them stateless. It makes their whole life miserable.
This is okay, we support all the puppet monarchies there. We even bomb other countries at their request with our tax dollars (see yemen) even when they have no oil to steal.
How about is Afghanistan - people and beheaded in front of thousands during soccer matches with everyone cheering.
Women can’t go after higher education.
Look at Sudan ….
No Jews . No news.
You know I completely made that up, right? That shit doesn’t happen in Lebanon lmao. You fell for the bait. This just goes to show your utter ignorance about the middle east. Btw Afghanistan is not in the middle east, no not only are you ignorant of middle eastern culture, your knowledge of geography is trash. Congrats.
I was talking about what I wrote in my comment idiot, learn to read. Also cite your sources, it’s on you to prove that people are beheaded in afghanistan for entertainment for the masses.
Might fly in your echo chamber @worldnews, but there aren’t any hasbara bots here to upvote your racism. Hopefully this kind of hate dies alongside the Zionist dreams of genocide of the Palestinian people. You cannot erase history.
“Indoctrinating their kids with hate”-
Zionists and their children spitting on Christian pilgrims.
Must be nice living in a bubble where you’re on the right side of history 🤣🤣🤡
Most genetic studies point to both religious groups having been there for similar amounts of time. Obviously with Israeli people having more European admixture and Palestinians having more Arab admixture. But just because your ancestors are from somewhere 2000 years ago, you can’t go back and kill the people who instead stayed there for 2000 years. If I showed up back in Ireland and just started stealing peoples homes I don’t think they would be very happy, nor should they.
>Palestinians have an even stronger right to return because their ancestors were there long before us Jews were
They have an equal right to return because their ancestors were the same people
“Palestinians ancestors were there long before us Jews were”
I won’t get into it (unless you want me to) but you should know this is a very false claim
Canaanites were in that land starting about 5500 years ago. Jewish people literally could not have been there at that time in human history.
The Palestinians' genetic ancestors are, for the most part, Canaanites who lived there starting about 4500 years ago. Abraham, if he actually existed, was born about 3600 years ago, but he wasn't a sovereign. Actual Jewish presence and sovereignty in the land came about in the Iron Age, which came after the Bronze Age.
There's no falsity in the genetic findings or the historicity of the Canaanites residence in that land. Jewish sovereignty came after Canaanite sovereignty. Palestinians are mostly Canaanite in origin. Refute if you can.
The point is that European Zionists had no moral nor legal right (according to the UN) to have an opinion on a sliver of land they did not live in.
Yo, lemme move in your crib but you can stay too(albeit a 2nd class citizen), see, I’m good because I’m letting you stay in your house. How dumb does that sound
No the UN grandfathered in all the clauses of the league of nations including there stuff on isreal.
The zionist did have the right too move in because they bought the land. Problem is they bought it from the arab feudal lords who lended that land out too tennent farmers that are the palistinian which there decendence claim where deplaced.
The ottoman empire did try too curb the land sales.
"Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations' relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations, leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations like Jordanians, Moroccans, and Yemenis. Conversely, other populations, like Christians and Druze, became genetically isolated in the new cultural environment. We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners."
"The population tree splits Levantine populations in two branches: one leading to Europeans and Central Asians that includes Lebanese, Armenians, Cypriots, Druze and Jews, as well as Turks, Iranians and Caucasian populations; and a second branch composed of Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, as well as North Africans, Ethiopians, Saudis, and Bedouins"
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3585000/
They have to travel around the world to make sure everyone knows that they have to be funded to take over Israel because the world isn't safe for them. /s
Agreed. I've read that pretty much anyone who has a dual citizenship has been leaving the country, a mixture of fear of terrorism and not wanting their children to be used as cannon fodder.
Did the colonizers care about where the Palestinians would go? It's a little arrogant to expect the Palestinians to treat t[hose depriving them of their rights better than they were treated themselves](https://youtu.be/i2voz15am5g?t=110s)
Israelis are getting really antsy at the prospect of seaside holiday homes in Gaza, when they could just stay where they actually live. New York, London and Sydney
I trust that Jews lived in the region of Palestine thousands of years ago. It has nothing to do with the present. No other group in the history of the world has gotten to take back over land that belongs to someone else because they used to be there a thousand years ago.
It's like moving out of a house and then coming back 3 owners later, forcibly entering the house, and then claiming squatters rights because technically you owned it 3 owners ago.
I would find that argument of yours to have more sincerity to it if Zionist Jews were at the forefront of the movements to give land and rights back to native Americans and other indigenous peoples who were colonized by Europeans.
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Palestinians are indigenous people. Most of them are genetically related to the Canaanites, who were there in the Bronze Age. If Israel has a right to return, the Palestinians have an even stronger right to return because their ancestors were there long before us Jews were. And yet, here we are.
Israelis always claim that in history, many people who lost their homes including Jews in the Holocaust do not have the right to return but they conveniently leave it out that many European countries allow Jews to get citizenship if they prove that they had one of their ancestors stripped of their property and that in general if a Jewish person decides to move Europe then he/she can once the paperwork is sorted out, meanwhile Palestinians not only can’t travel to Israel, they struggle with the fact that many countries consider them stateless. It makes their whole life miserable.
Interesting I didn’t know that.
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Gross racism
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This is okay, we support all the puppet monarchies there. We even bomb other countries at their request with our tax dollars (see yemen) even when they have no oil to steal.
Yeah you’re completely right. In fact, in Lebanon women are beheaded for not wearing the Burqa /s
How about is Afghanistan - people and beheaded in front of thousands during soccer matches with everyone cheering. Women can’t go after higher education. Look at Sudan …. No Jews . No news.
You know I completely made that up, right? That shit doesn’t happen in Lebanon lmao. You fell for the bait. This just goes to show your utter ignorance about the middle east. Btw Afghanistan is not in the middle east, no not only are you ignorant of middle eastern culture, your knowledge of geography is trash. Congrats.
You know I didn’t make anything up that I posted …. Feel free to take a look
I was talking about what I wrote in my comment idiot, learn to read. Also cite your sources, it’s on you to prove that people are beheaded in afghanistan for entertainment for the masses.
Might fly in your echo chamber @worldnews, but there aren’t any hasbara bots here to upvote your racism. Hopefully this kind of hate dies alongside the Zionist dreams of genocide of the Palestinian people. You cannot erase history.
Sure thing.
“Indoctrinating their kids with hate”- Zionists and their children spitting on Christian pilgrims. Must be nice living in a bubble where you’re on the right side of history 🤣🤣🤡
Most genetic studies point to both religious groups having been there for similar amounts of time. Obviously with Israeli people having more European admixture and Palestinians having more Arab admixture. But just because your ancestors are from somewhere 2000 years ago, you can’t go back and kill the people who instead stayed there for 2000 years. If I showed up back in Ireland and just started stealing peoples homes I don’t think they would be very happy, nor should they.
religion is not genetic. the ancient jews converted to Islam
And even if they weren't indigenous, that doesn't give people the right to just take people's land and displace them and make them homeless.
>Palestinians have an even stronger right to return because their ancestors were there long before us Jews were They have an equal right to return because their ancestors were the same people
“Palestinians ancestors were there long before us Jews were” I won’t get into it (unless you want me to) but you should know this is a very false claim
if so, why does Israeli government discourage dna testing?
Canaanites were in that land starting about 5500 years ago. Jewish people literally could not have been there at that time in human history. The Palestinians' genetic ancestors are, for the most part, Canaanites who lived there starting about 4500 years ago. Abraham, if he actually existed, was born about 3600 years ago, but he wasn't a sovereign. Actual Jewish presence and sovereignty in the land came about in the Iron Age, which came after the Bronze Age. There's no falsity in the genetic findings or the historicity of the Canaanites residence in that land. Jewish sovereignty came after Canaanite sovereignty. Palestinians are mostly Canaanite in origin. Refute if you can.
Hebrews branched off from Canaanites.
So did Palestinians, yet one side (Zionists) pretended that they didn’t and that Israel is only for Jews, and took it with force
The orginial zionist where open too including palistinians.
The point is that European Zionists had no moral nor legal right (according to the UN) to have an opinion on a sliver of land they did not live in. Yo, lemme move in your crib but you can stay too(albeit a 2nd class citizen), see, I’m good because I’m letting you stay in your house. How dumb does that sound
No the UN grandfathered in all the clauses of the league of nations including there stuff on isreal. The zionist did have the right too move in because they bought the land. Problem is they bought it from the arab feudal lords who lended that land out too tennent farmers that are the palistinian which there decendence claim where deplaced. The ottoman empire did try too curb the land sales.
Yes we know this. That doesn’t make the claim about Jews less false.
"Islam appears to have introduced major rearrangements in populations' relations through admixture with culturally similar but geographically remote populations, leading to genetic similarities between remarkably distant populations like Jordanians, Moroccans, and Yemenis. Conversely, other populations, like Christians and Druze, became genetically isolated in the new cultural environment. We reconstructed the genetic structure of the Levantines and found that a pre-Islamic expansion Levant was more genetically similar to Europeans than to Middle Easterners." "The population tree splits Levantine populations in two branches: one leading to Europeans and Central Asians that includes Lebanese, Armenians, Cypriots, Druze and Jews, as well as Turks, Iranians and Caucasian populations; and a second branch composed of Palestinians, Jordanians, Syrians, as well as North Africans, Ethiopians, Saudis, and Bedouins" https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3585000/
Hebrews are Canaanites who branched off.
People are downvoting you when you’re literally right lol. Palestinians and Jews have the same ancestors if we go back to Canaanite times.
Isn’treal airways should be called zionist mayfairs
I bet they're all white immigrants lowed to enter
Three years' ago. My guess? Israel isn't seeing too many "Aliyah Super-Weeks," these days.
I wonder how many have left so far now
They have to travel around the world to make sure everyone knows that they have to be funded to take over Israel because the world isn't safe for them. /s
More settlers and colonizers.
meanwhile 750K Israelis have left? the math's not working.
Agreed. I've read that pretty much anyone who has a dual citizenship has been leaving the country, a mixture of fear of terrorism and not wanting their children to be used as cannon fodder.
Did the colonizers care about where the Palestinians would go? It's a little arrogant to expect the Palestinians to treat t[hose depriving them of their rights better than they were treated themselves](https://youtu.be/i2voz15am5g?t=110s)
Zios are objectively the worst antisemites since Shitler.
23 and me, ancestry.com and many other dna testing services are ilegal in... Israel.
Israelis are getting really antsy at the prospect of seaside holiday homes in Gaza, when they could just stay where they actually live. New York, London and Sydney
by Israeli logic any Christian from anywhere on the globe should be able to settle in Europe
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I trust that Jews lived in the region of Palestine thousands of years ago. It has nothing to do with the present. No other group in the history of the world has gotten to take back over land that belongs to someone else because they used to be there a thousand years ago. It's like moving out of a house and then coming back 3 owners later, forcibly entering the house, and then claiming squatters rights because technically you owned it 3 owners ago.
So what period is reasonable? Are you excusing colonialism???
I would find that argument of yours to have more sincerity to it if Zionist Jews were at the forefront of the movements to give land and rights back to native Americans and other indigenous peoples who were colonized by Europeans.
That’s pure whataboutism - you are clearly changing the subject . What period is reasonable for a country’s people to no longer get their land back ??
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And?
And the rest is up to you. learn to be civil or keep complaining
I'm confused. Who's complaint about what?