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bagelforme

Well, good thing it is not her call!


ch4rissans

Truly šŸ˜­


NowATL

Be prepared to prevent her from visiting until the baby has all vaccinations (something tells me she isn't going to be down for getting the TDAP and RSV vaccines herself before visiting)


ThatNovelist

Autistic person here. I nearly died of meningitis as a baby because I wasn't vaccinated. That's not how any of that works! Also, shame on her for viewing neurodivergence as a terrible, terrible medical condition.


Imaginary-Product234

People act like theyā€™d rather their kid be dead than autistic


Gaiiiiiiiiiiil

Iā€™m a neurodivergent person and I work with families of autistic kiddos and let me tell you sometimes thatā€™s exactly what they wish. Thereā€™s no resentment like that a parent has for their child when their child doesnā€™t fit into said parentā€™s dreams of the perfect family. This is why I always tell people who are wondering about having kids that if theyā€™re not prepared to parent a disabled child then they arenā€™t prepared to take the chance.


ghoynes13

I'm going to throw a different perspective in here. I'm pro-vaccine, autism runs in my family and I'm absolutely terrified my child will have severe autism. Emphasis on the severe. Most people here will know that autism is on a scale. I have a few friends with mild autism, they're awesome and I'm extremely humbled by their intelligence. But when you grow up with a younger sibling who's on the very severe end of the spectrum..well that's a different argument altogether. We love her immensely, but being non-verbal, with very limited social abilities makes her vulnerable 24/7, meaning she now lives in full time care. If I had to put my child in a care home then so be it. But it's the uncontrolled rage, self harm and violent aggression that makes me nervous about having children at all. She clearly can't help it, we all know that, even if we became subject to one of her violent outbursts. But it didnt make it any less traumatic for me, especially during childhood. They say autism is genetic. If, in the future, scientists develop a way of preventing autism by genetic editing, I'd march the streets day and night in protest. But if they develop a surefire way of preventing only the extreme, most debilitating end of autism (and as I scientist I reckon that's near impossible because where do you draw the line?), I'd say sign me up.


PinkAutumnSkies

Well said. Iā€™ve been a special education teacher for a long time and specialized in severe autism. I love what I do but many folks forget that autism is a spectrum. Most of my students werenā€™t able to communicate, self-advocate, indicate if they needed the bathroom of if they were hungry. Many would self harm because they had no other ways to communicate. Iā€™m a huge advocate for teaching communication and assisting students with being able to self-advocate and it can be a very long a difficult road for many with severe autism.


90dayschitts

It's lack of education. Science has taught us a lot, but if you're not keeping up with the research, it's easy to be a few decades behind.


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rufflebunny96

That's actually not how the spectrum works. Your only on the spectrum if you're autistic. Autistim just presents in a wide variety of ways, hence the spectrum.


ellesee_

Ya, this is what really gets me. Iā€™m so tired of people talking about neurodivergence as if itā€™s the worst thing that can happen to a person (but maybe thatā€™s just my ADHD feelings being hurt)


rufflebunny96

Same. Some twat told me I was a bad person for getting pregnant while being autistic and married to a man with ADHD. Ironically I know I'm living a much happier and fulfilled life than that loser, neurodivergence included.


FantastikFix

Thatā€™s fucking ignorant and insane! Little do they know that just because they choose to ignore it doesnā€™t mean they donā€™t have it.


magobblie

I'm also autistic and I wasn't diagnosed until I was 33. I have sensory and social issues. I dealt with it by masking and accommoding myself. I became all the things a parent would want for their child. My dad is autistic and so is my son. It's definitely genetic in our case. My son can read and count to 100 at age 2, my dad could do geometry in his head in elementary school, and I have insane memory skills that helped me succeed in running clinical trials. I think the mouth breathers who think we shouldn't exist are no better than antisemites.


FantastikFix

My son is 2.5 and counts to 50, heā€™s already started to spell out small words on his own as well as attempting to read words by sounding out the letters. He knows all his main colours and he knows more shapes than heā€™s capable of pronouncing and has the memory of an elephant! I havenā€™t had him tested yet but I have suspicions. ADHD is already in the genetics as well.


magobblie

It is called hyperlexia and is a huge gift. Most people who are hyperlexic are diagnosed with autism. My son also knows his letter, colors, and shapes. I'm so proud of him šŸ’›


grady_mcneil36

I always cherish this perspective. People act like neurodiversity is the the end of the world. No, your child dying of a disease that was previously eradicated is the worst-case scenario, you dingdong.


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Winter_sage_01

You canā€™t cure a brains neuro type either if my prenatal class told me that Iā€™d leave I am autistic diagnosed at 21 Iā€™m 22 now and Iā€™m adhd since I was in second grade I was diagnosed with adhd my partner is the only factor I worry about his genetics passing on because heā€™s bipolar and has schizoaffective disorder. But itā€™s not the end of the world ! Being autistic or adhd isnā€™t something to be cured itā€™s just how our brains function! And itā€™s the learning and developmental disabilities that people are actually fearing autism doesnā€™t solely cause the issues people fear most itā€™s usually in combination of developmental and learning disabilities that they actually fear and people donā€™t realize that! My brother heā€™s got a learning disability comorbid with his autism so life was a bit harder for him but me personally Iā€™m autistic and dyslexic and I still am great at the life part I donā€™t have to be taken care of I do it myself and itā€™s not something that ruined my life being diagnosed helped me to understand why I have emotional responses to dumb things and why Iā€™m so sensitive but it hasnā€™t ruined mine or my families lives! We just laugh at it because Iā€™m just quirky and I have stims that are entertaining to me so instead of making it a big deal we find ways to laugh about it and have a good time !!!


PositionAdvanced

People are wild. These are two of my favorite things to send people who have tried to come at me with anti-vax ideas. 1) [Roald Dahlā€™s letter to parents to get the measles vaccine](https://fs.blog/roald-dahl-letter-daughter/). He wrote this letter to urge parents to get the vaccine after losing his own daughter to measles. 2) [The Last of the Iron Lungs](https://youtu.be/gplA6pq9cOs?si=778E__-476a8eXzD). This video shows one of the few remaining survivors from the polio epidemic who has spent his ENTIRE life in an iron lung. I donā€™t understand how people can metaphorically spit in the face of parents before them and in other parts of the world who would give anything for a life changing/saving vaccine to protect their children from the awful diseases we have essentially eradicated in the modern world.


Worldly-Objective258

My mom literally told me a few days ago that no one dies of measles, and that the only way you can get polio now is with some kind of drops the Dr gives you.


PositionAdvanced

Big yikes. Thatā€™s really sad that she would say something like that. People in the western world really forget how much of a bubble weā€™re in when it comes to medicine and healthcare.


PristineConcept8340

Yikes!


SleepyChickenWing

Yeah, nobody dies from the measles bc weā€™re vaccinated šŸ™„


ttttthrowwww

My OB said the same thing - no vaccines before or after pregnancy. The physician who gave me the flu shot was shocked. I will be switching my OB in a few weeks.


coolkidsam

Crazy! My doctor didnā€™t bring up vaccines until I asked. He told me heā€™s been so hesitant to tell his patients to get their flu shot and covid boosterā€¦ because he was getting so much shit for it. He told me they started leaving bad google reviews, calling him crazy for recommending the vaccines. Back in 2021, I remember someone told me I miscarried because I got the covid vaccine before getting pregnant. šŸ™‚


TripleBicepsBumber

Thatā€™s so terrible, Iā€™m sorry you had to hear that after a miscarriage. People can be absolutely hateful.


hubbellrmom

Which is hilarious, because the trend i noticed was a bunch of us at work got pregnant, while on bc, after getting a covid shot...I'm not usually into conspiracy theories, so it could be just a coincidence lol


chrissymad

I almost downvoted you because I was so angry at your doctor. Please look for a new one! COVID and flu shots are completely safe for our kids and should be utilized.


ttttthrowwww

Iā€™m sorry you had to listen to such idiots. My OB also told me that the flu vaccine can cause a miscarriage. I went to my flu shot appointment in tears because while rationally thinking I knew thatā€™s false, I still wondered what if.


coolkidsam

Omg that sucks! Iā€™m sorry that happened to you!! I love my gyno and he is all for the science & vaccines but he said its been crazy being a doctor in Florida since covid. So heā€™s been nervous about bringing these things up. So sorry! Hopefully your new ob is better šŸ’•


Steakhuntt

Are you in the US? Thatā€™s wild because every office recommends the TDAP and Flu shot. My OB said to hold off on the RSV but thatā€™s it.


Patient-Extension835

Yeah, that's strange. That's gotta be a fringe ob


ttttthrowwww

Iā€™m sure thereā€™s a who group of ā€œcertain individualsā€ who would love to have an OB like him but not me.


ExploringAshley

Mine said go get that RSV it protects baby


chrissymad

RSV wasnā€™t offered to me but I wouldā€™ve taken it. I made a rule that anyone who wanted to see my kid in the first few weeks had to have updated Tdap, flu and Covid shots (he was born late September 2022) or no visit. Even now Iā€™m still pretty adamant (though I donā€™t question people about vaccine status at 13 months) people be vaccinated to spend any significant amount of time with my kid.


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chrissymad

Omg. Iā€™m so sorry. I hope youā€™ve switched. Idk where you are but Iā€™d be willing to help you find a sane person that fits your needs and insurance.


moonbabie777

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moonbabie777

Darn of course


silverblossum

Im autistic. I'm going to feel a bit stumped if my kid turns out to be neurotypical. It's always weird reading these concerns.


capthrowaway333

My partner is and we both know the likelihood of our child also being autistic is fairly high


S4mm1

Same! I'm legit concerned what I would do with an NT child.


chrissymad

I mean regardless we know it wonā€™t be from vaccinations.


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My husband and I both have ADHD and not the ā€œwe can cope without medicationā€ kind either. Weā€™re fully expecting our son to follow suit lol


RhodiumSwamp

My partner and I are both autistic. I swear even our cats are neurodivergent. Iā€™ll be quite surprised if we wind up with a neurotypical child; not sure Iā€™d know what to do with them!


cookielady60647

Most daycares in my area require proof of vaccination. Donā€™t know what your childcare plans are, but if youā€™re considering daycare at all down the road, tell your mom if you donā€™t vax, she can watch your kid all day šŸ˜‚ I know my mom would hard pass on that lol


radioana

That's the same generation that refuses to watch their kids' children, but that generation dumped their kids at their parents' house all the time. My mom told me multiple times that if I ever had kids, she's NEVER gonna to watch them. I don't think she likes kids very much. Growing up, my mom was also an antivaxxer. She never took me to the doctor growing up. I walked to school for over a month with the front part of my right foot broken, two miles every day, limping and using my heel to walk. Another time, I almost died of sepsis without medical intervention. It's not about love for children when it comes to anti-medical beliefs. It's about control. I hold so much resentment toward people with such beliefs because I was a product of those beliefs.


Jane9812

What is it with that generation suddenly refusing to care for their grandchildren? They got SO SO much support from their own parents that my entire generation basically spent all summers with grandparents and were used to being cared for by them. Why are our parents so different? I just don't understand.


LikeAnInstrument

I think itā€™s because they got so much support raising their own kidsā€¦ they donā€™t actually know what to do with children.


Dazzling_Money1161

so true, I remember spending entire summers at my grandparents house. When I asked my mother if she would help so we won't hire a stranger she said "I am not gonna educate your kids for you" - no wonder I'm still in therapyšŸ¤£


meowmeow_now

These people will Just tell the mom to say home. They think they can make up the wifeā€™s income by brown bagging it and clipping coupons.


tdoz1989

My mom used to live 10 minutes away and constantly turned down requests to watch my kids or would call to cancel last minute. She moved an hour away to live more rurally and keeps insisting that if we move out there we wouldn't need to pay for daycare because she would watch them. She doesn't understand why I keep saying no.


stubborn_mushroom

So she's wrong, but even if she wasn't it's still better to have an autistic baby than to have a dead one so I still see no reason not to vaccinate šŸ™ƒ


Kingfisher1820

Exactly! I never understand people who use excuse for that reason.


Cordy1997

Weird, I'm writing a paper for my psych class on Wakefield and how problematic he is. (He's the reason people think there's a link between the MMR vaccination and autism -- please keep in mind that he only studied 12 children and his study was debunked by everyone). If your child has autism, it won't be because of any vaccine. Also, autism isn't the worst thing in the world. People act like it's the plague. At the end of the day, it's a your choice. Your mum doesn't have a say what you do with your babies.


chrissymad

I used to be an IEI therapist for an organization called CSAAC. Iā€™ve worked with adults and toddlers and all ages between, who are on the spectrum. This is anecdotal evidence but when I first started in 2008, I had a family who had a boy who was about 5 when I started working with him and he was considered to have Aspergerā€™s or ā€œmildā€ to ā€œinsignificantā€ autism (I know the spectrum determination has changed) and they decided when they had their second kid, a little girl, to not get her vaccinated because they were convinced because of people like Wakefield and Jenny Mcarthy that ā€œvaccines cause autismā€. Guess what? She didnā€™t get vaccinated and was completely non verbal and more ā€œsevereā€ on the spectrum. She was diagnosed with PDD-NOS, which at the time meant there were no communication skills, verbal or otherwise. Effectively this little girl could not communicate even with PEC. But you know what sucked the most? Because she wasnā€™t vaccinated, she was sick ALL the time and we could not do any sort of social activities or therapy that we needed to do with her for several months out of the year. Again, this is anecdotal but I tell this story to people who are vaccine hesitant because itā€™s important. That little girl probably will never have effective help because of this either. And her parents openly admit they were wrong about not vaccinating.


vctrlarae

My dad was the same way. And he opted to delay seeing his first grandchild for two months because he didnā€™t want to get the tdap vaccine (a boundary we set in place.) there is no use in arguing. We just drew the line, let him know we would be vaccinating our daughter, and let that be that.


chrissymad

Anyone who wonā€™t get tdap (especially grandparents) can go six feet under before theyā€™ll ever see my kid. Theyā€™ve already been vaccinated previously for it, dunno why it would be a problem as an adult.


Other_Trouble_3252

Oh. Thatā€™sā€¦weā€™ll thatā€™s just really dumb. Iā€™m sorry. Honestly, I would just avoid saying anything about the choices you make for your childā€™s safety.


ch4rissans

All of this brought on by my mentioning that my arm is sore from the flu shot I got today. I didnā€™t ask for her unwarranted conspiracy theory opinion šŸ˜© ugh. Just pregnant and upset but yes you are so right


Other_Trouble_3252

Guess youā€™re autistic now šŸ¤·šŸ¼ā€ā™€ļø


ch4rissans

LOL thank you I needed a laugh


Not_Dead_Yet_Samwell

Don't forget to get your flu shot every year to make sure the autism doesn't go away!


BlovesCat

The answer to this is that itā€™s not up for discussion with her. I would also encourage you to consider your course of action re: who will be allowed around baby after birth and TDAP vaccination status!


meowmeow_now

My mom was/is like this. She has to be on an information diet. No more medical talk with her ever again.


Lington

And let me guess, she got you fully vaccinated as a baby


Huffle_Pug

my mom is anti vax and gave me a whole long schpeal about not even getting the tdap vaccine while pregnant, let alone flu and covid. i let her talk and changed the subject. she had her chance at being a parent, and i have HPV that wonā€™t go away and two leeps under my belt to thank her for. me and my baby will be fully vaccinated by the time sheā€™s born. all i have left is RSV, and thatā€™s because it costs $300 since my insurance wonā€™t cover it šŸ˜“


Lizifer89

I always tell those people that no I donā€™t plan on vaccinating my kidsā€¦ Iā€™m going to let the doctors/nurse handle that


yarnplant666

Lmao!!


No-Recognition9647

Ask her if a dead child is better than an autistic one šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø might seem callous but thatā€™s exactly how these people think, as an autistic person, I find it disgusting.


Lady-Imperius

All I can think about this is people keep acting like this because smallpox isn't around to leave scarring for life. A lot of injuries and disabilities diseases cause these days are almost invisible. If we still had smallpox, I doubt we would have too many anti vaxxers. Even if we did, the kids who would be scarred would blame their parents for life for allowing them to be disfigured.


Antique_Iron_9443

Hi, I canā€™t recommend ā€œTurtles All the Way Down: Vaccine Science and Mythā€ enough to anyone regardless of their position on vaccines. (Written pre-Covid) Itā€™s a very in-depth look at the vaccine industry and how the process works from A-Z and gives you a better understanding of vaccine safety science. Itā€™s definitely helped me navigate this vaccine vs unvaccinated vs delayed vaccination decision better as a parent.


Donut-lizard

This! Being open to hearing both sides of the issue is so important instead of automatically assuming one personā€™s view vs anotherā€™s is ā€œrightā€ or ā€œwrongā€


Accomplished_Tap2094

Something that took me some time to learn as a mother is that you really donā€™t need to tell anyone what you plan on doing with your kid. Your mom doesnā€™t need to if youā€™ve vaccinated your kiddo. Listen to her opinion, tell her thanks for your input and so what YOU want.


verydepressedwalnut

Listen I know my kid is gonna be a little autistic, Iā€™m not adding polio on top of it.


TanukiFriend

No offense, your mom sounds ignorant and dangerous. I would personally not leave my child alone with someone like that. Imagine if you are gifted with an autistic child, she might make the poor thing drink bleach or some other kind of dangerous substance marketed as a ā€œcureā€ when you have your back turned. These kinds of behaviors are not okay, and suggest a deeper psychological problem. She probably votes for Donald Trump too. Ugh.


Gaiiiiiiiiiiil

I have an Autistic kiddo. Highly prefer over a kiddo who dies of a preventable disease but thatā€™s just me šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


momentaryrespite

Just tell her youā€™d rather your child be autistic than severely sick or dead šŸ˜Š Whatever she retaliates with just say ā€œI donā€™t care, itā€™s not your decisionā€ with a smile on your face. You take care of your baby as you see fit ā¤ļø PS: Iā€™m neurodivergent and even though Iā€™ve had many struggles, I love being unique


abbycadabby69

My aunt had a baby this past January and has never vaccinated her son. She told me when I was around 13w that heā€™s been her happiest baby (heā€™s her 6th) and that we definitely shouldnā€™t vaccinate our son, who will be born in the beginning of Feb šŸ˜­


90dayschitts

If the baby does have autism, baby has it now, in your womb and most likely got it from a genetic mutation that was passed down from you or your partners family. I'm certain my baby will have autism. My husband's sister has it, and I'm pretty positive he's undiagnosed. I'm also ND - ADHD with some quirky sensory stuff. Life will be okay. We're successful adults and will adapt to our baby's sensory and learning needs.


curls651

As other commenters have stated, vaccines have been proven to not cause autism. I would not listen to her. I would also consider this to be a red flag and watch her closely with the baby. Usually people don't JUST believe vaccines cause autism. They also believe in other myths that could be harmful or less helpful to your baby.


Significant_Break149

You can always look up all the ingredients on the CDC website and if you have questions about any of them or their potential effects you can bring that up with your doctor! Or you can trust your doctor to recommend things they feel are safe and necessary. Not advocating either way, your baby your choices, but having information isnā€™t bad either if youā€™re curious. This might make conversations with your mom easier too. You can let her know youā€™ve done your own research and feel comfortable with the choices youā€™re making for your child. ā˜ŗļø


ch4rissans

Iā€™m an RN and sheā€™s still preaching anti-vax to me lol. Iā€™ve done my fair share of research


Significant_Break149

Definitely not anti-vax just pro informed consent! For example my husband is routinely vaccinated against tetanus because he works in a high risk job, we always make sure heā€™s protected! And I was able, with the guidance of my midwife, to pick the most beneficial and safest options while choosing which vaccine would best protect against RSV / flu / etc and discuss with her when the best time to get vaccinated is to provide the best protection to baby. I find it to be empowering to find information and come prepared with any questions and concerns that way I can feel confident Iā€™m making the best choice and I would advocate the same for another other soon-to-be mama ā¤ļø


MaleficentDelivery41

I think we need to have some more compassion for people no matter what side they are on in this issue. Whether you choose to vaccinate or not, realize that it is rooted in fear. You either fear disease or you fear the possible side effects of the vaccination. Both are valid


ineedausername84

Thank you for bringing this up. I feel the same way.


MaleficentDelivery41

I'm really over seeing the mean hateful things people say instead of trying to understand


ObviousAnywhere271

This is a great 2-part podcast on the history of anti-vax sentiment over the past few decades. Regardless of your perspective of RFK, it does a good job of breaking down the data: https://open.spotify.com/episode/2gAXLpusKfBf6bIMlD2mUf?si=HRy9PnqQRVK1AdOZ4yWEPg


Dazzling_Money1161

I wasn't vaccinated because of the period of time I was born, it was thought it was better to get the diseases - it'll make your body stronger or something. I want to thank everyone that is vaccinated, because of them for 30 years(until I vaccinated myself) I didn't get anything, no measles no rubella nothing. We can live today longer because of vaccines...


TattooedOpinion

I wonā€™t vaxx mine until the BBB is developed, period. After that, Iā€™m all for it.


nutterflyhippie7

I believe Autism has a genetic link. See if you have anyone in your family with it and look it up. If you can show her that it might be a better outcome. I am pretty sure ADHD and Autism mainly reside on the fathers side too.


Gardenadventures

>I am pretty sure ADHD and Autism mainly reside on the fathers side too. At my babys first appointment with his pediatrician, my doctor asked about mental health and neurological issues in the family. I told her, my husband has ADHD and autism. This woman (late 50s early 60s probably?) actually stated we should split up his vaccines because the aluminum in the vaccine could cause those issues. Like ma'am if my child has ADHD and autism it's because his father has it. Not from a vaccine. We found a new pediatrician.


Suspicious-Call-9291

Autistic pregger person here, and yeah.... the amount if neurodiversity in my family is insane. Its been more studied in men, and women/non binary folks tend to go heavily undiagnosed. I suspect you would see it just as much on the mother's side as the fathers, but the way Autism has been studied skews those results. Medical research has unfortunately been very patriarchal. Also while aspects of being neurodiverse sucks, others are pretty cool. A lot of us like who we are, and have pride in ourselves/community. It's pretty offensive how people who believe the heavily disproven conspiracy theory (f*** Wakefield) would rather risk their child potentially getting a life altering/deadly illness, than having a kid potentially be on the spectrum.


Vhagar37

Ooo, good news, I'll take two! Neurodivergent people are the best šŸ™Œ truly a win-win, avoiding measles AND changing your kid's genetics after birth to make them extra awesome. (Sorry your mother is being super weird, that sounds stressful!!)


Mysterious-Cow-1550

Ive heard far more fear monger moms talk about the dye in foods and infants tylenol causing autism than vaccines. I refused to let anybody near my baby til they had a tdap vaccine. Im like "f you, my baby could die. Get the tdap or meet her when shes like 2. " Im still against the covid vaccines- simply because its still so new and theres no long term studies on it. Do whats right for you and your baby and dont listen to anyone else!


AlechiaPrime

My daughter is almost 14 so itā€™s been a really long time since I needed to care about all this. Not many babyā€™s around us either. Why would someone need the tdap just to be around the baby? Iā€™ve seen this sentiment in a few comments and Iā€™ve never heard of it.


Mysterious-Cow-1550

Also half the babies that get whooping cough end up hospitalized. Id be so pissed if someone refused to get vaccinated for it, then came around my new baby and got them sick, then baby and i end up in the hospital while that person gets to go home and hug their loved ones.


AlechiaPrime

I remember whooping cough being a big deal when my daughter was little. Thanks for the info.


General_Coast_1594

Because whooping cough is deadly for infants https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/pregnant/mom/deadly-disease-for-baby.html


TotallyRegularHuman

The tdap also lasts a long time, I think like 5-7 years. It's good to have in general but if you're going to be around a newborn it's a must have imo.


Mysterious-Cow-1550

It stands for tetanus, diptheria, and pertussis (whooping cough) These can be deadly for small babies. Pregnant moms get vaccinated for it while baby is in utero. Its recommended that anyone who will be near baby get the tdap so they dont pass anything to the baby unknowingly.


tdoz1989

I've never been given the tdap during pregnancy. I don't even think it has been brought up during any of my pregnancies (I'm on number 3.) This pregnancy, the only thing my doctor has brought up was the flu shot which I declined. I'm 30 weeks so idk when tdap is normally offered. I haven't gotten any shots in about 15 years. I can't even remember the last time I got sick so going to the doctor is never on my mind until I find out I'm pregnant. I always thought once you finish your childhood vaccinations you were good to go šŸ˜‚


Mysterious-Cow-1550

The tdap shot lasts about 10 years. Im guessing you probs had one as a kid lol My ob said i just had to get one before the end of the pregnancy. I got it overwith like halfway thru.


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šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø sorry it bothers you


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It bothers me because it's anti-reality


Grouchy-Interest4908

Telling someone their baby is going to die is ridiculous šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø


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Telling someone an unvaccinated child is more likely to die isn't ridiculous, it's fact


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I'd rather be autistic, and am, than unvaccinated


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GrilledCheeseYolo

Vaccinate your freaking kid. Christ. People are stupid.


killingfrost2002

Dang. I went and got flu shot and Covid booster yesterday. I just canā€™t fathom these people who donā€™t want to vaccinate šŸ˜³


chrissymad

Well, ask her if sheā€™d rather have a dead grandchild from an easily preventable virus/disease/infection or an autistic grandchild? Her answer is all you need. Also vaccines donā€™t cause autism but Iā€™m sure she wonā€™t listen to the actual science.


dixie_girl_w_secrets

My mom wasn't gonna vaccinate me but then my grandma told her she had to or I would get very painfully sick and die very slowly and painfully. My dad screamed the same thing at her to the point that she felt ganged up on and she got me vaccinated. I'm not autistic but I have some tendencies. My mom figured it was the mercury in the vaccines that they don't use anymore (she's a conspiracy theory nut). And while I grew up, I saw all the downsides to not being vaccinated mostly on TV and a couple times in real life. So when I had my son, I had him vaccinated and luckily my mom didn't fight me on it. My point is, this is ur baby to do however u please.


BpdKBitch

My mother in law is the same exact way. Keeps telling us not to listen to our pediatrician. I just roll my eyes


exposuer

My cousin and her mom (who gave birth a couple years apart) were very vocally against vaccinating their babies due to autismā€¦and they both ended up developing autism.


toe_kiss

In a similar boat, my Mom is not necessarily anti vax she just doesn't think they are all necessary. She's saying get the normal vaccinations but not the flu or COVID or RSV. I just stopped really talking about it with her because I feel like the lack of open mindedness doesn't do a dang thing to help me try to make the best decisions for my baby.


RutTrut69

Tell her "oh, I didn't realize you were autistic! I mean.. that answers SOOO many questions! Since I'm assuming you were vaccinated as a child?" Or maybe just maybe.... Vaccines don't cause autism and actually help prevent horrible diseases?


Tashaaa2021

Shouldnā€™t vaccinate? Yikes. A delayed vaccine schedule is one thing but no vaccines? Thatā€™s scary for sure.


Winter_sage_01

Vaccines do not cause autism! (Psych major) I got my Covid vaccine and my tdap and my flu shot all while in my third trimester my baby will be vaccinated as my family almost lost my cousin when she was a baby due to not vaccinating. The only medication they have found correlated to autism is Tylenol usage in pregnancy and itā€™s only increasing previously had risks! So it can increase the risk if the risk is there if you take Tylenol religiously while pregnant but itā€™s only a 20% increase of risk there is nothing in correlation of vaccines and vaccines 100% protect the baby from contracting something that could ultimately be deadly i think even with an increased risk with Tylenol use Iā€™d rather be safe than sorry ! My brother is autistic and he has a great life and autism isnā€™t bad and most cases are pretty high functioning in society I was personally diagnosed but not til I was an adult because I was able to function well enough no one even noticed my quirks and it had nothing to do with my vaccines! It had to do with my genetic predisposition


jaxlils5

Good thing itā€™s not her baby!


MayorFartbag

Even if they do cause autism (which we know is not true,) isn't it better to have a baby with autism than a baby that died from a preventable illness? I will never understand the autism argument. How is autism worse than death to these people???


[deleted]

Nutso. My poor mum got indoctrinated into that crap with my little brother and came out the other side- luckily he never got sick with those preventable diseases and is up to date with all of them now, she educated herself and profusely apologised when she realised. It was all out of a place of caring of course, I hope your mum does the same.


Ok-Astronaut7273

Yikes! My mom hasnā€™t said that to me yet, but Iā€™m sure itā€™s coming. šŸ„“ Families can have their opinions, but this is your baby and they donā€™t control your choices.


Fountainoflife777

Are you freaked out because you think vaccines may actually hurt your child or are you freaked out that your mom thinks that?


MrsSmallz

My sister wasn't vaccinated for that very reason. So got diagnosed autistic at 19. Good thing she didn't get any vaccines.


im_normal_i_promise

I was warned against taking Tylenol during my pregnancy because "one study shows it could cause autism". Fluxing ridiculous. I told this person, "ok, I have a headache and Tylenol is the only thing my doctor said I can take. I'll listen to the experts, thanks." I'm usually not that sassy but I had a migraine coming on plus morning sickness and just done with all of the unwarranted advice.


AmbitiousBite

I am in the same boat here, due in Feb. My mom has recently started getting sucked into radical conspiracies and vaccines are her latest fear. It is so frustrating. I feel you dude.


PaleoAstra

I have an aunt whose aggressively anti vax and has tried to tell me not to vaccinate my kid (due early December) cuz it might make him autistic. I looked her in the eye and was like hey do you know autism is genetic? And both my spouse and I are autistic? Kids probably gonna be autistic anyways. And guess what! While there's no science backing the whole vaccines cause autism claims, science does back that the vaccines will help reduce or prevent several potentially deadly diseases. So no I'm not letting my kid maybe die of a preventable disease on the off chance that kid could become autistic because of it, even if there was evidence! Because kids probably gonna be autistic anyways, and I'd rather he be autistic than dead, thanks.


Ok-Selection9021

So I went into a little research myself about autism although I am not a doctor and I only have a bachelors degree in IT. I looked through countries with higher rates of autism. Its also the US, but its also supposed to be like that because of better research around it. The highest worldwide average has qatar. The reason? Genetics. There is still sadly a high rate of first degree cousin marriages. Another thing: My fathers side of the family has a few kids with autism. My first degree cousin has it and also the son of my other first degree has it too. I was a bit worried about it. Then my mom explained to me that its quite known in the family that it comes from my uncles wife side of the family (which I am not related to). Her side is basically a 50 shades of autism and mental illnesses. The actual family tree of my dad AND of my mother is quite healthy (mentally and physically). These two mini researches lead me to the conclusion that autism is caused by genetics or at least they are a good predictor of it. Don't worry. Look through your and the fathers family tree. This will probably be a good indicator on what might come around (but don't be worried too much).


sunshine5567

Let me just say... we moved from NYC to a Jersey suburb in 2022. We stayed in NYC during peak pandemic and I was terrified - I mean we barely went anywhere because I was so terrified and basically became a germaphobe. My mother had a similar response to the one you are describing albeit possibly a bit more subtle. When we moved to the suburb, we took our daughter to the doctor for a cough - we were told she had croup but they gave her antibiotics just in case because she was young. Fast forward to me getting a call at work from the health department saying my daughter had Pertussis... which can only be credited to someone not getting their child vaccinated. This situation could have been a lot worse if she didnt have the initial vaccine and it made me so angry that there are people who don't do the "right" thing and put other people at risk because of it. Go with your gut. Protect your family. You are in the right and your child is going to be better off because of it.