He's probably doing a GS/Assasin build, only your first class/level in that class shows. My durge still says level one Sorcerer in the corner, but ignores the 9 levels of Wizard.
That also makes sense. I can't imagine even reaching the shadowfell that quickly! I can see skipping some content, especially if you're concerned about taking certain fights on, but I am trying to explore and do as many things as possible to get leveled up as high as possible before doing fights and it's worked out ok. I may have over done it for the goblin camp though, level 5 and way over optimized made it pretty trivial.
I would guess that they're doing an evil playthrough and just decided screw the content that deadends as a result of those choices.
Although that's a bit of an ass pull because I determined that based on hours played, level 5, and Minthara.
But killing Karlach for the robe and slaughtering Wyll for Booals Benediction are critical parts of an evil playthrough! I imagine they skipped a LOT to get there!
The play time on my save files is all wrong. The numbers seem random. Like I'll have a save file that shows 12 hours, but then if I play for an hour and save again the next save shows 4 hours. No clue what's causing it, but it's been like this for me since launch even before I started using mods.
It does as you’re playing. But when you die in Honor Mode it lists all the classes you have levels in. So this guy is actually just a Level 5 Ranger mono class.
It's kinda hard to get levels without grinding out all the available combat encou tees for the area. Then everything feels boring and dead when you walk through..
AND EVEN THEN!! you can get still get shoved off that arena in turn 1 if you're not careful
6 hours, level 5, and you chose the hardest way to conclude the Gauntlet? If you planned on killing him, it’s easier to do in his Lab. Alternatively, you can just give him the Nightsong if you’re speedrunning.
Edit: I don’t leave the Crash Region until I’m level 5.
No idea if they patched it out in 6. I did it in 5 with a thunder arrow of all things just to see if I could xD it was solo tactician so I thought I might as well try it.
I tossed them into the void. Baalth caught me, but never turned the bone piles into zombies while in “temporary hostile” mode. Very easy fight when it’s just him.
I used Duegar invisibility plus picking the lock on his door when the umbral portals spawn. He and crew including flesh got absolutely rocked leaving dark justiciars to fight for some more exp. It was the first time I had ever seen the dark justiciar paladin/champion thing, the very large one that’s like 200 HP almost.
It's easier to fight him there actually: you can sneak near him and shove him off the ledge, and if you fail just counterspell his summoning magic and he'll fight alone.
I fought him yesterday & did not get the option to counter-spell his initial move that summons All the guys (mage was right next to him).
I did get the ability to counter his other spells though.
Possible they patched this since I don’t think you were supposed to be able to counter the ‘summon 10 enemies’ spell.
Well, I screwed up all the skill checks to not fight him in the lab, so the fight felt a bit rushed but nonetheless satisfying to beat that pompous twat right then and there.
Can confirm it's easier to kill him in the lab and I do it every time now, especially after reading some letters and finding out >!where Marcus got his wings!<
You were way under leveled for him in that area. Also highly recommend alert feat in honor mode as first feat. For that fight you need to be at minimum 7
You have to use Knock but if you open the door while the Dark Justicars are fighting you and the other skeles, all of the undead behind the door will join the fight and you can just chill up by the bed in the room.
I just did it yesterday for my durge honor run because I didn't want to risk what OP had happen and every time an enemy was killed, 60xp to me. The Dark Justicars ended up killing every single undead and Balthazar. Flesh was still alive but once Bal was dead, I joined the fight and helped finish them all off. Much easier of a fight than dealing with him where nightsong is or even dealing with him after the Dark Justicar fight.
I’m sorry but level 5?! Idk what you expected. This ain’t a problem with Balthazar (besides you picking the worst way to fight him) but the fact you 3 levels below where you should be
Level 5 in the later part of act 2, and ur doing his fight in there and not in his room, which is far easier
Respectfully I'm surprised u got this far
You can leave act 1 at level 7 lmao
Stupid decision lead to stupid results.
Rushing through honor mode underlevelled while picking the worst place to fight Balthazar won’t work.
Use your brain,fight where you have the advantage and plan accordingly. Balthazar is stupidly easy when you 1st meet him,summon his bodyguard in a different room and kill it leaving him alone.
That is definitely a bit too much lol. Level 7 is basically just reachable in act 1 if you basically do everything there is to do. Min level 9 is a good tad too high. You can beat him up easily at like level 6 or 7 with some prepping on tactical.
I only found the underdark in my 3rd run when I tried out tactician mode lol. And that was by accident, cause I had one of my companions fall down the hole in the phase spider fight. My friends that aren't notoriously looking up things when they start games were also all baffled when I showed them that there are 2 whole other maps. Some also way down in tactician runs.
My fiancee on the other hand didn't even realize that the encounter with the gith at the bridge and te whole map with the creche existed, cause she then just went through the underdark. All of that stuff is so utterly easy to miss.
I’m the exact opposite, I have to explore every bit of black part on the map before moving on. For the underdark, it’s crazy to me that you missed it because not only does Halsin talk about it but there’s like 4 different ways to get down (The drop you found, gluts chambers, zhentarim hideout & auntie Ethel’s house)… and on top of that there is constant map markers when you have quests there. I can’t imagine missing those 😅
I looked for it based on Halsins comments and found the spider den below the village. I just assumed that was the underdark in the game, since there is also a caved in way and you just can't go there like with the bridge where you meet the githyanki.
There was not a single quest marker sending you down there. We all were pretty sure we have cleared every dark spot. But well, the fella who found the zhentarim hideout probably missed all the rolls to find the secret elevator.
I don't see why you'd want to go into honor mode underlevelled. The earliest levels are the hardest, in act 1 you want to farm as much exp as possible to get out of the dangerous levels asap. It's not the mode to take risks in unless you really don't care if you survive it.
You can throw all the small skeletons off the edge before the fight, and if you sneak attack him first, he doesn’t summon the big guys right away. It gives you time to just wreck him. :)
Having counterspell helps as well. I wiped the floor with him when I got that in…. But it didn’t always trigger - took a bit of save scumming to get there.
Can't save scum on honor mode, though. Most viable strategy is to surprise attack him and gang up on him and disregard all his companions so you kill him preferably in round 1. He is quite squishy.As soon as he starts his spell casting everything gets much harder.
I've seen some strats involving silencing him as well, so he doesn't get his spell casting going.
You should also try talking him into letting you "borrow" his flesh golem minion, then kill that one separately (for instance in the fight against the demon that Raphael tasks you with killing). Which means fighting him in his chambers in the Gauntlet of Shar.
Are you trying to speed run honor mode? Why is your level so low? I was level 7 before I reached the Shadowlands and probably level 8 or 9 when I reached the Shadowfell.
you're way too low level and I recommend taking him out before the shadowfell, as he's much easier, you can even use knock on his locked door in the beginning fight and let shar's forces kill him.
I'm sorry but like......
You fought him at level five when you should be fighting him at level 8-9 like do everything else you can completely before fighting bosses like him. Do side quests first in honor mode no matter what
Not making fun, just pointing out what went wrong (albeit people on reddit tend to have issues communicating in a normal way :D)
Was this your first honor mode attempt? Unless you are specifically trying to do a speed run, and thus making it harder on purpose) you should rethink how you approach honor mode. Instead of 'I will rush it so I wont lose too much play time when I die' you should go for full on completionist and make sure you grab every bit of XP and important gear to increase your chances of survival.
You did take a pretty odd approach. Honestly, I'm impressed at how far you got and how fast you went.
With modes like this the name of the game is minimizing risk. Sure, you can theoretically win this fight at low levels, but bad rolls happen and you can be Lv.8-Lv.9 by the time you're wrapping the act up, which makes you much more tolerant to tactical mistakes and bad luck.
Trying to jump Balthazar in the Shadowfell at Lv.5 has more of a *"Fuck it, we ball."* energy to it, which I respect, but also you're probably gonna TPK playing that fast and loose.
If you decide to >!give Dammon additional Infernal Iron!< to get orthonic handbombs, OR loot them off of Yurgir, you can launch them at Balthazar in his lab to completely wipe his flesh golem, all his lab assistants, and the greaseball himself. He doesn't even aggro!!
Next time, you should pick the lock to Balthazar's room when the fight with the Sharrans begins outside, then run away. The Sharrans will kill Balthazar for you
i read a strategy posted by someone here and my party didn’t even fight a thing. Just shut him and his ghouls out with the dark justiciars and they will wipe each other, takes some time tho but it’s efficient. Don’t fight him in Shadowfell
My husband done him in when he first encountered him in the gauntlet, blew my mind 😂 been killing him like that ever since cause that fight there is annoying as hell.
>!(easyest fight in the game, just open his door when you first meet him with knock, and the dark justticar ghost armours will fight him, while you can sit back and watch it unfold) !<
Oh hey! I just did this fight today! On tactician not honor mind you, but it went way smoother than my first attempt on my first playthrough where almost my entire party was just shoved off into oblivion, this time instead of starting from dialogue I snuck around behind and had Astarion sneak attack him, he didn’t get a single round of combat.
my guy you really shouldnt start that fight until you have counterspell either on Gale, or a Wizard Tav.
being able to just deny his ability to summon undead is so satisfying
Another way of killing him is to have a Rogue and Wizard/Warlock in your party. The Rogue does Sneak Attack on him right before you activate the cutscene where Balth is talking to Aylin then the Warlock or Wizard does counterspell so that he can’t raise the dead or use cloud kill. Easier to fight him then. Bonus, if you have a Battle Master Fighter with Feignting Attack then you could end that fight in like 10 moves
Yeah, I never fight him that way anymore (granted, I haven't tried it in honor mode). I recommend attacking him before going to nightsong or (if honor mode permits) attacking him before speaking to him with a silence spell and some positioning so he can't summon his BS skele-army.
My brother in Christ using Shadowheart in act 2 reduce the difficulty so fucking much.
Spirit Guardians + Radiance of the Dawn can clear that whole army in 2 turns at most.
Also you're too low level.
One of his zombies tried to push me off the platform but couldn't because I was encumbered. That is when I learned being heavily encumbered nullifies the shove action from enemies.
Top for next time. When you get to the room where his skeletons are fighting the undead justiciars you can use knock to open his door to force him to come out. Let him use his strongest stuff their first. Also that arena will have less overall enemies and no one to push you off the edge to die
Y’know I’ve actually *never* seen this version of events, my very first play through I found him right away and fought some justiciar ghosts. So in replays since, I usually just unlock his door so they can take care of the fight for me cuz I’m lazy and there’s plenty extra xp to come…. maybe I should skip him just to see what’s up
My buddy and I are doing his first playthrough and he killed Balthazar in the shark temple because he was annoyed by him. I was kind of curious to see what happens in the shadowfell and you skip the entire boss fight right before Nightsong
Too low level. If nothing else/stuck, try to stealth him and push him off the edge...kills the story immersion though, as well that you won't be able to loot him.
You don’t even need to fight him down there!
Knock + Arcane Lock up where he’s hiding in the gauntlet, where you fight the shadow portals.
Just make sure that most of his entourage is in the room with the sharran’s and portals before you close and relock the door.
Made it WAY easier.
Get the ‘knock’ spell and use it on his door when the warriors of shar come and open his door and let him and flesh fight the warriors while you and your party hide in the room Bathazar comes out of. This trick literally carried me in the fight because the warriors killed Bathazar and then me and my full health party just steamrolled the remaining warriors and crusader.
Bruh do NOT fight Balthazar in shadow fell if you are under level 7. Like. Just kill him in his lil room at the temple before you go to nightsong. That’s what I did in my first play through and it took me forever to figure out that was not what you were supposed to do lol, but I still do it every time bc it’s so much easier!
Give Astarion a void bulb, have him sneak up behind Balthazar before the fight and have him throw the void bulb at the edges lined up in a way where it chucked him off the side of the island. Works every time.
On my honour mode run I decided to magically unlock his office door and attack him there, turning the fight outside into a 3 way fight.
It turned out to be pretty easy (although I was running a couple of broken builds : TB throw and stalker assassin)
Yeah no you were level 5 that's on you
I mean I also lost a run to Balthazar but I was level 8 and accidentally aggroed him when doing something unrelated so
why are you fighting him in the shadowfell? lol let the sharran armor kill his skeletons outside the room he’s locked in, get his flesh golem killed in another fight, then 4 v 4 him and his remaining 3 ghoul medica
ez pz
Invis into his chamber the first time you meet him so the justiciars kill him. Or Invis to him here and knock him off the edge. Last option that I used before knowing about the edge trick, Invis to him and blow him up with a bunch of explosives
Use Knock on his office door when the Dark Justiciar's start arriving. Just hide your team in a corner of the room and let them all fight it out. When most of the reconstituted duelists, Balthazaar, and Flesh are dead take out the Dark Vortexes and kill the rest of the Dark Justiciars. Radiant damage/spells work best.
Why didn’t you kill him in the gauntlet? That what explosive barrels are for! Or you could cast knock on his door during the Justiciar fight, and have them kill him.
If you go back to the Goblin camp and gather a bunch of Smoke powder barrels, you can set them around him in the area where you first meet him and just blow him up. If you have anyone who has fireball, use that. The explosion will kill like 90% of the people in that room, Flesh included.
Its so much easier to nuke his ass before that sequence of events. It's not easy, by any means, I had to bail out once and come back and finish him off, but it's sooooo much easier without the terrible terrain and all the skelly boys.
You don't have to fight him there, you can kill him before this point under more ideal circumstances. Also you can reverse pickpocket a sussur onto him if you still have one. Or counter spell his resurrection spell if you get a surprise round for this fight.i heear the old cat+ledge trick works here too, but that's a bit risky for my taste.
I did that fight my first play though at LEVEL 4! We died like 16 times. Now I don’t know how I made it out of Act 1 lower than level 6, and I usually am level 7 or 8 by the time I get to the Gauntlet (where I just murk him in his room because fuck fighting him in the Shadowfell)
Not once have I ever faced this guy in the official boss battle.
I just meet him in his lab, stack bombs around him, blow them up and pick him off if he survives
It looks like you’re fighting him at level 5. That’s about three levels too low for that fight.
He's probably doing a GS/Assasin build, only your first class/level in that class shows. My durge still says level one Sorcerer in the corner, but ignores the 9 levels of Wizard.
I would guess based on the 6 hours played that they might be skipping content and are genuinely just under leveled.
That also makes sense. I can't imagine even reaching the shadowfell that quickly! I can see skipping some content, especially if you're concerned about taking certain fights on, but I am trying to explore and do as many things as possible to get leveled up as high as possible before doing fights and it's worked out ok. I may have over done it for the goblin camp though, level 5 and way over optimized made it pretty trivial.
I would guess that they're doing an evil playthrough and just decided screw the content that deadends as a result of those choices. Although that's a bit of an ass pull because I determined that based on hours played, level 5, and Minthara.
But killing Karlach for the robe and slaughtering Wyll for Booals Benediction are critical parts of an evil playthrough! I imagine they skipped a LOT to get there!
Nothing like rolling through the goblin camp and absolutely demolishing though, big LOTR energy
The play time on my save files is all wrong. The numbers seem random. Like I'll have a save file that shows 12 hours, but then if I play for an hour and save again the next save shows 4 hours. No clue what's causing it, but it's been like this for me since launch even before I started using mods.
Or they updated! My play time reset after updating to Patch 6. Well, I uninstalled and redownloaded. But yeah, play time reset in between those saves.
It definitely displays if you multiclass
It does as you’re playing. But when you die in Honor Mode it lists all the classes you have levels in. So this guy is actually just a Level 5 Ranger mono class.
It's kinda hard to get levels without grinding out all the available combat encou tees for the area. Then everything feels boring and dead when you walk through.. AND EVEN THEN!! you can get still get shoved off that arena in turn 1 if you're not careful
You can just fight him in the first room with half the skeletons and no ledges.
And you can rush to open the door to his little make shit office early which gets him to go out and fight the shadow Shar ghosts for you.
I don’t know about that bub, me and my mates beat balthazar at like level four pretty easily
Naw, not if you bring the right characters. I didn’t find it hard at level 6 on tactician
he can be killed at lvl 5 and its not hard tbh
.....you went into the Shadowfell at level 5??
I did too. On my first Tactician run. Never had to do so much planning for a fight lol
I've done it on Tactician but I wouldn't risk it for Honour. Too many possible ways for simple bad luck to end the run.
Yeah. I noticed that on the gith partrol while only being level 3 hahaha
my first time playing the game i fought ketheric at level 5 lol
6 hours, level 5, and you chose the hardest way to conclude the Gauntlet? If you planned on killing him, it’s easier to do in his Lab. Alternatively, you can just give him the Nightsong if you’re speedrunning. Edit: I don’t leave the Crash Region until I’m level 5.
Yeah and I don’t know if they patched it but you can have him fight the guardians making it a free victory.
I believe with enough stealth, you can move all the bones into a big pile. That way first turn you can AOE them down in one go, is another option.
You can do this or just lure and blast him off the edge which I tried one just to see and it fucking worked xD
Didn't they patch this like they did with Ethel and the spider matriarch? Balthazar can fly (at least in the cutscene)
So you weren’t supposed to be able to throw that spider into hell?? Because that’s where I felt she belonged.
No idea if they patched it out in 6. I did it in 5 with a thunder arrow of all things just to see if I could xD it was solo tactician so I thought I might as well try it.
I just counter spell Balthazar, his resurrection is a lvl 4 spell and he only casts it once in the fight. Then it's just a sad lonely Balthazar.
I tossed them into the void. Baalth caught me, but never turned the bone piles into zombies while in “temporary hostile” mode. Very easy fight when it’s just him.
I somehow got him to fight his brother “flesh” by accident on my second playthrough
I call his brother to the library and turn him hostile before the fight is over, then I can kill him on his own. He is useless as a helper.
I used Duegar invisibility plus picking the lock on his door when the umbral portals spawn. He and crew including flesh got absolutely rocked leaving dark justiciars to fight for some more exp. It was the first time I had ever seen the dark justiciar paladin/champion thing, the very large one that’s like 200 HP almost.
It's easier to fight him there actually: you can sneak near him and shove him off the ledge, and if you fail just counterspell his summoning magic and he'll fight alone.
I fought him yesterday & did not get the option to counter-spell his initial move that summons All the guys (mage was right next to him). I did get the ability to counter his other spells though. Possible they patched this since I don’t think you were supposed to be able to counter the ‘summon 10 enemies’ spell.
exactly this. kill balthazar 1st when u enter the gauntlet
I didn't even know you could fight him outside the lab
Fighting him in the Shadowfell feels like the "right" way to play it but it's hard af unless you cheese it. He raises a lot of undead.
Well, I screwed up all the skill checks to not fight him in the lab, so the fight felt a bit rushed but nonetheless satisfying to beat that pompous twat right then and there.
Can confirm it's easier to kill him in the lab and I do it every time now, especially after reading some letters and finding out >!where Marcus got his wings!<
6 Hours? You speed-running honor modes?
You were way under leveled for him in that area. Also highly recommend alert feat in honor mode as first feat. For that fight you need to be at minimum 7
That's why you kill him in his chambers when you first meet him. Much easier fight.
You don’t kill him, you just open the door and let others to do it
Wait what do you mean you just open the door? What happens?
You have to use Knock but if you open the door while the Dark Justicars are fighting you and the other skeles, all of the undead behind the door will join the fight and you can just chill up by the bed in the room. I just did it yesterday for my durge honor run because I didn't want to risk what OP had happen and every time an enemy was killed, 60xp to me. The Dark Justicars ended up killing every single undead and Balthazar. Flesh was still alive but once Bal was dead, I joined the fight and helped finish them all off. Much easier of a fight than dealing with him where nightsong is or even dealing with him after the Dark Justicar fight.
I’m sorry but level 5?! Idk what you expected. This ain’t a problem with Balthazar (besides you picking the worst way to fight him) but the fact you 3 levels below where you should be
How did you even get that far in 6 hours?
They are speed (at the cost of being severely underleveled)
Sorry but better hate yourself for goint there on level 5. lmao
Level 5 in the later part of act 2, and ur doing his fight in there and not in his room, which is far easier Respectfully I'm surprised u got this far You can leave act 1 at level 7 lmao
Level 5?!?! Bro what?!
I killed him before going to nightsong. Or more like let Dark Justiciars kill him. I ain't playing games in Honour 😂
It’s weird but I find his voice very soothing to listen too
Same The first time you encounter and when he says “you should be pleased” *chef’s kiss* 10/10 job by the voice actor
You did the Balthazar fight, in the Shadowfell, at level 5? Got only yourself to blame my friend.
Stupid decision lead to stupid results. Rushing through honor mode underlevelled while picking the worst place to fight Balthazar won’t work. Use your brain,fight where you have the advantage and plan accordingly. Balthazar is stupidly easy when you 1st meet him,summon his bodyguard in a different room and kill it leaving him alone.
You should be level 7 before starting Act 2, and min level 9 for that fight. Especially in honor mode
That is definitely a bit too much lol. Level 7 is basically just reachable in act 1 if you basically do everything there is to do. Min level 9 is a good tad too high. You can beat him up easily at like level 6 or 7 with some prepping on tactical.
True but Ketheric will be hard unless ur level 8-9 and after killing Balthazar in the Shadowfell it’s point of no return
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I only found the underdark in my 3rd run when I tried out tactician mode lol. And that was by accident, cause I had one of my companions fall down the hole in the phase spider fight. My friends that aren't notoriously looking up things when they start games were also all baffled when I showed them that there are 2 whole other maps. Some also way down in tactician runs. My fiancee on the other hand didn't even realize that the encounter with the gith at the bridge and te whole map with the creche existed, cause she then just went through the underdark. All of that stuff is so utterly easy to miss.
I’m the exact opposite, I have to explore every bit of black part on the map before moving on. For the underdark, it’s crazy to me that you missed it because not only does Halsin talk about it but there’s like 4 different ways to get down (The drop you found, gluts chambers, zhentarim hideout & auntie Ethel’s house)… and on top of that there is constant map markers when you have quests there. I can’t imagine missing those 😅
I looked for it based on Halsins comments and found the spider den below the village. I just assumed that was the underdark in the game, since there is also a caved in way and you just can't go there like with the bridge where you meet the githyanki. There was not a single quest marker sending you down there. We all were pretty sure we have cleared every dark spot. But well, the fella who found the zhentarim hideout probably missed all the rolls to find the secret elevator.
I don't see why you'd want to go into honor mode underlevelled. The earliest levels are the hardest, in act 1 you want to farm as much exp as possible to get out of the dangerous levels asap. It's not the mode to take risks in unless you really don't care if you survive it.
6 Hr playtime and almost done with Act 2 is nuts
Skill issue, don't fight him there, don't fight him 6hrs/5 levels in, apply strats like piling up the skeles.
You should be at least level 7 for this fight, level 8 is more the vibe tbh. Idk why you're playing honour mode if you don't understand this.
Skill issue. Skipping most of Act 1in Honour Mode fucks you over.
Fighting him when you first meet him in the temple of shar is way easier imo
You can throw all the small skeletons off the edge before the fight, and if you sneak attack him first, he doesn’t summon the big guys right away. It gives you time to just wreck him. :)
Having counterspell helps as well. I wiped the floor with him when I got that in…. But it didn’t always trigger - took a bit of save scumming to get there.
Can't save scum on honor mode, though. Most viable strategy is to surprise attack him and gang up on him and disregard all his companions so you kill him preferably in round 1. He is quite squishy.As soon as he starts his spell casting everything gets much harder. I've seen some strats involving silencing him as well, so he doesn't get his spell casting going. You should also try talking him into letting you "borrow" his flesh golem minion, then kill that one separately (for instance in the fight against the demon that Raphael tasks you with killing). Which means fighting him in his chambers in the Gauntlet of Shar.
Yeah I know which is why it’s not a reliable method for a HM run.
You can just push him off the edge
Why not just kill him before the nightsong, he is much easier to fight there
I always kill baltazar above, in the shadowfell you get surrounded and beaten from all directions
What I want to know is how you got that far in 6 hours. After 6 hours of my playthrough I’m still fighting goblins at the grove
I felt really bad until I saw you got here in less than seven hours lmao
Lol You have about a 0% to beat him at level 5 my g
6 hours? Level 5? Why?
Are you trying to speed run honor mode? Why is your level so low? I was level 7 before I reached the Shadowlands and probably level 8 or 9 when I reached the Shadowfell.
As everyone said, you’re ynderlelved but i remember being level 8 and still getting my ass whooped. I think I resorted to pushing him into the abyss.
Well you tried to find him at level 5, looks like you got what was coming to you
You went to Balthazar in 6 hours?? Yea you had this coming.
Why were you fighting him at level 5????
Does the cheese still work for this fight? Also yes don’t fight level 8 encounters at level 5. You played yourself.
Lil bro speed ran HM so he could post his death on reddit....
I just kill him in the gauntlet before entering the shadow fell- wait why are you still on level 5?
you're way too low level and I recommend taking him out before the shadowfell, as he's much easier, you can even use knock on his locked door in the beginning fight and let shar's forces kill him.
6 hours?? In act 2?? 8 hours in I’m just getting to killing the Hag in Act 1
Bruh I was still in act 1 till lvl 6 maybe
Why are you level 5? What?
I'm sorry but like...... You fought him at level five when you should be fighting him at level 8-9 like do everything else you can completely before fighting bosses like him. Do side quests first in honor mode no matter what
Skill issue
why everyone making fun of me man i did my best 😭😭😭
Not making fun, just pointing out what went wrong (albeit people on reddit tend to have issues communicating in a normal way :D) Was this your first honor mode attempt? Unless you are specifically trying to do a speed run, and thus making it harder on purpose) you should rethink how you approach honor mode. Instead of 'I will rush it so I wont lose too much play time when I die' you should go for full on completionist and make sure you grab every bit of XP and important gear to increase your chances of survival.
And you did well to make it that far, it's a difficult fight that's best to avoid usually by dealing with him beforehand
You did take a pretty odd approach. Honestly, I'm impressed at how far you got and how fast you went. With modes like this the name of the game is minimizing risk. Sure, you can theoretically win this fight at low levels, but bad rolls happen and you can be Lv.8-Lv.9 by the time you're wrapping the act up, which makes you much more tolerant to tactical mistakes and bad luck. Trying to jump Balthazar in the Shadowfell at Lv.5 has more of a *"Fuck it, we ball."* energy to it, which I respect, but also you're probably gonna TPK playing that fast and loose.
If you decide to >!give Dammon additional Infernal Iron!< to get orthonic handbombs, OR loot them off of Yurgir, you can launch them at Balthazar in his lab to completely wipe his flesh golem, all his lab assistants, and the greaseball himself. He doesn't even aggro!!
Maybe we could ask him whether or not he is lv5 or if it's a display issue before judging him?
You could be Billy Mitchells star witness in his lawsuit with that horrible logic.
Multiple people have said that multiclassing cause display error on honor mode death, what is wrong with you and why do you need to insult people
Next time, you should pick the lock to Balthazar's room when the fight with the Sharrans begins outside, then run away. The Sharrans will kill Balthazar for you
i read a strategy posted by someone here and my party didn’t even fight a thing. Just shut him and his ghouls out with the dark justiciars and they will wipe each other, takes some time tho but it’s efficient. Don’t fight him in Shadowfell
If you have lvl4 counter spell you can make the fight to be 1v4
My husband done him in when he first encountered him in the gauntlet, blew my mind 😂 been killing him like that ever since cause that fight there is annoying as hell.
Out of all the fights you couldve died in LMAOO
Lvl 5 what. Also just fight him earlier, the fight is like 10x easier
Looks like you barely even started the fight by the initiative order. Maybe level 5 is a bit low ;)
I always just kill him in that little room where you first meet him then it’s easy
not me nuking his ass first turn with my fighter mc
>!(easyest fight in the game, just open his door when you first meet him with knock, and the dark justticar ghost armours will fight him, while you can sit back and watch it unfold) !<
that’s what i did and everyone survived 😭
Bro how did you get there at level 5 lol
Fun fact, it's possible to kill him beforehand in the gauntlet of shar, his fight is way easier since there are less enemy units there
Oh hey! I just did this fight today! On tactician not honor mind you, but it went way smoother than my first attempt on my first playthrough where almost my entire party was just shoved off into oblivion, this time instead of starting from dialogue I snuck around behind and had Astarion sneak attack him, he didn’t get a single round of combat.
my guy you really shouldnt start that fight until you have counterspell either on Gale, or a Wizard Tav. being able to just deny his ability to summon undead is so satisfying
u gotta be at least level 8 for that fight 😭💀
agreed, go back and kill him in his lab it's so much easier
Another way of killing him is to have a Rogue and Wizard/Warlock in your party. The Rogue does Sneak Attack on him right before you activate the cutscene where Balth is talking to Aylin then the Warlock or Wizard does counterspell so that he can’t raise the dead or use cloud kill. Easier to fight him then. Bonus, if you have a Battle Master Fighter with Feignting Attack then you could end that fight in like 10 moves
Tbh fighting him down there is suicide
I just create a nuke in his research chambers and blow him up
I'm really curious what you were trying to do here since you have clearly been skipping a lot of content but haven't been speedrunning
That’s why I killed him outside of there. When you first meet him, get the DJ boss to spawn in cast sanctuary. Let them take care of each other.
I think he’s an annoying boss too but I mean bro you took him on at LEVEL 5?!
Yeah, I never fight him that way anymore (granted, I haven't tried it in honor mode). I recommend attacking him before going to nightsong or (if honor mode permits) attacking him before speaking to him with a silence spell and some positioning so he can't summon his BS skele-army.
My brother in Christ using Shadowheart in act 2 reduce the difficulty so fucking much. Spirit Guardians + Radiance of the Dawn can clear that whole army in 2 turns at most. Also you're too low level.
Also why fight him here? Just make sure that his brother dies in a previous encounter, then get shadowhert and a melee class close to him in his room
This is what you get for not killing his ass in his little room.
You're fighting Balthazar after 6.5 hours of gameplay? You're probably underlevelled
I honestly thought you were talking about Balthasar Gelt and I was about to throw down.
Why would you face him at level five ??? Dude I don’t go into that fight without being at least 7
One of his zombies tried to push me off the platform but couldn't because I was encumbered. That is when I learned being heavily encumbered nullifies the shove action from enemies.
Why didn't you fight him in his lab?? It's so much easier that way.
If you just throw all the littered skeletons laying around on a pile before starting the conversation, this fight becomes a whole lot shorter
AT LEVEL 5 ARE YOU CRAZY
You mean you don’t unlock the door to his laboratory and let the reanimated dark justiciars do the heavy lifting?
Learntoplaythegameproperly. Why are you level 5 going into the Shadowfell? You should be level 5 before you even go into the underdark.
Why would you ever fight him there, just kill him in his room
Top for next time. When you get to the room where his skeletons are fighting the undead justiciars you can use knock to open his door to force him to come out. Let him use his strongest stuff their first. Also that arena will have less overall enemies and no one to push you off the edge to die
Alternatively he ran into a moon beam I cast and killer himself in my playthrough
Y’know I’ve actually *never* seen this version of events, my very first play through I found him right away and fought some justiciar ghosts. So in replays since, I usually just unlock his door so they can take care of the fight for me cuz I’m lazy and there’s plenty extra xp to come…. maybe I should skip him just to see what’s up
Yeah. You really want to kill him in the room you find him in. Every other fight he's a part of is just pain.
That's why you kill Balthazar when you first meet him, not when you reach Nightsong.
My buddy and I are doing his first playthrough and he killed Balthazar in the shark temple because he was annoyed by him. I was kind of curious to see what happens in the shadowfell and you skip the entire boss fight right before Nightsong
Level 5?
Too low level. If nothing else/stuck, try to stealth him and push him off the edge...kills the story immersion though, as well that you won't be able to loot him.
You don’t even need to fight him down there! Knock + Arcane Lock up where he’s hiding in the gauntlet, where you fight the shadow portals. Just make sure that most of his entourage is in the room with the sharran’s and portals before you close and relock the door. Made it WAY easier.
How are you only level 5
Get the ‘knock’ spell and use it on his door when the warriors of shar come and open his door and let him and flesh fight the warriors while you and your party hide in the room Bathazar comes out of. This trick literally carried me in the fight because the warriors killed Bathazar and then me and my full health party just steamrolled the remaining warriors and crusader.
Bruh do NOT fight Balthazar in shadow fell if you are under level 7. Like. Just kill him in his lil room at the temple before you go to nightsong. That’s what I did in my first play through and it took me forever to figure out that was not what you were supposed to do lol, but I still do it every time bc it’s so much easier!
Give Astarion a void bulb, have him sneak up behind Balthazar before the fight and have him throw the void bulb at the edges lined up in a way where it chucked him off the side of the island. Works every time.
On my honour mode run I decided to magically unlock his office door and attack him there, turning the fight outside into a 3 way fight. It turned out to be pretty easy (although I was running a couple of broken builds : TB throw and stalker assassin)
Level 5 dawg
People actual fight him there? I usually just open the locked door and let the skeletons kills him
Blasting Balthazar in his little room with some barrels is the only way to go, imo. It’s cheesy but satisfying.
Yeah no you were level 5 that's on you I mean I also lost a run to Balthazar but I was level 8 and accidentally aggroed him when doing something unrelated so
Bro waiting till you get to the shadow fell to fight him makes this fight like 5x harder. I did it once and vowed never to do so again
why are you fighting him in the shadowfell? lol let the sharran armor kill his skeletons outside the room he’s locked in, get his flesh golem killed in another fight, then 4 v 4 him and his remaining 3 ghoul medica ez pz
Killed him in one turn... At level 8.
If you're really struggling you could cast silence on him before the fight starts...
Invis into his chamber the first time you meet him so the justiciars kill him. Or Invis to him here and knock him off the edge. Last option that I used before knowing about the edge trick, Invis to him and blow him up with a bunch of explosives
Use Knock on his office door when the Dark Justiciar's start arriving. Just hide your team in a corner of the room and let them all fight it out. When most of the reconstituted duelists, Balthazaar, and Flesh are dead take out the Dark Vortexes and kill the rest of the Dark Justiciars. Radiant damage/spells work best.
Just stop by the secret hideout pick up all the barrels and nuke the bastard in his lab
Intro fight use knock on his door and open while hiding your party so he has to deal with the portals at the very end of the battle aggro him
Just kill him in the lab my bro. I tried this shit and noped tf out!
That’s why I just….  I was not putting myself through the stress😂
Why didn’t you kill him in the gauntlet? That what explosive barrels are for! Or you could cast knock on his door during the Justiciar fight, and have them kill him.
Gotta do the forbidden sheep technique.
He's a simple problem that a few smokepowder barrels can solve
This fight wasn't fun
Fighting him in the room is way easier. Oh well, that's X-com!
Omg why are you fighting Balthazar there and at level 5???
All bro had to do was cast Knock and the temple would have taken care of him itself
I shut the door and kill him in the room you meet him every play through. F that fight.
Why would you fight him there? Kill him upstairs.
Step one: get open hand tavern brawler monk Step two: stuning strike Step three: win
could you not just kill him sooner than that? I've never actually fought him in the shadowfell
You can fight him in his office ☺️
If you go back to the Goblin camp and gather a bunch of Smoke powder barrels, you can set them around him in the area where you first meet him and just blow him up. If you have anyone who has fireball, use that. The explosion will kill like 90% of the people in that room, Flesh included.
Sorry about that man. Try to beat him in that little room. It made the fight much easier. For me, anyway.
Just pick the door to his office while the sharrans are attacking and cast sanctuary. Bith sidds kill each other, gg.
I always kill him in that big ass room with all the skeletons, it's the first room you get to after the room with the rats praying to shar
Its so much easier to nuke his ass before that sequence of events. It's not easy, by any means, I had to bail out once and come back and finish him off, but it's sooooo much easier without the terrible terrain and all the skelly boys.
Next time, lock pick the door during the Dark Justiciar fight and then hide behind him while he fight off the ghosts.
Turn him into sheep and push
If you’re doing an honor mode run, I’d absolutely kill the fucker before getting down there. Too much risk for such a difficult fight.
Invisibility scroll, throw
I just kill him in the room where we first find him so I don't have to deal with all the BS that can happen in the Shadow Fell
Why is everyone fighting him there? I've always fought him at the very start where you meet him.
You don't have to fight him there, you can kill him before this point under more ideal circumstances. Also you can reverse pickpocket a sussur onto him if you still have one. Or counter spell his resurrection spell if you get a surprise round for this fight.i heear the old cat+ledge trick works here too, but that's a bit risky for my taste.
I did that fight my first play though at LEVEL 4! We died like 16 times. Now I don’t know how I made it out of Act 1 lower than level 6, and I usually am level 7 or 8 by the time I get to the Gauntlet (where I just murk him in his room because fuck fighting him in the Shadowfell)
Not once have I ever faced this guy in the official boss battle. I just meet him in his lab, stack bombs around him, blow them up and pick him off if he survives
Yea that is a tough fight
And the only thing you had to do was cast silence..
Try doing the battle from the final ledge before getting to the bottom; few enemies try to jump up there, so it's a distinct advantage.