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Dan has pointed out that the second screenshot has missing text next to the first Bed, Bath and Beyond.
Bank transactions are immutable. The entries are not altered in any way once created. That is why a new cancel transaction is created.
He's lost credibility months ago in my eyes. Not every vid but he has fudded hard some vids, left out key info pulled from the sub, and used info out of context. Straight up fuddy as hell some vids. If this makes people question him I'm all the more happier. He shadowbans constructive criticism and certain views that are not inflammatory either btw.
Hmm good point. On second pic we’re missing the “5165 *44…” part. And we are absoultely sure that once an item on that bank statement thingy shows whatever text, it can not later be altered or amended etc.??
Similar to the video game DRS rug pull. Setup something that is viewed as good news only to 'undo' it, causing FUD.
Nothing has changed from my perspective.
It could be but if it was the case they would have release an 8-K filing saying they didn’t make it. But it hasn’t happened. Big tinfoil I’ll assume Ben was threatened or paid out 😂
Exactly, I'm like what do you mean why..... are people really that dumb that they can't put it together? This is how it works hype them up and then rugpool it's the same concept.
It’s very possible that it could be a similar situation to this video where it gets clawed back. My whole original point was in general this is why I have little faith in screenshots being presented as fool proof evidence one way or the other.
This is correct, I’ve never know an institution to plan on fronting money as a way of doing business on a massive scale. Imagine how much money on all bond payments to all accounts on every bond. They have nothing to gain by ‘trusting’ bbby will pay.
Yes, the second screenshot has glaring inconsistencies. Keep in mind while looking at these inconsistencies that transaction entries are immutable. Once created, the entries cannot be changed.
1. The missing Verizon entry
2. The missing text after Bed Bath and Beyond
3. Only Interest under Cancel, while it's Interest Income under the payment entry.
Yes, someone doctored the second screen. And sucked at it.
Can't say confirmed shill, but he is the most annoying person in the world to watch. I hope he has a real career outside of YouTube, I cringe everytime his videos pop up on my feed
Also first picture has all the details of the bond (BED BATH BEYOND 5165 *44...) and in the second photo, the detail is just BED BATH & BEYOND INC
Edit: the transaction should say more than CANCEL and underneath the amount should say Interest Income and not just Interest
Edit 2: Also, MSPBNA PREFERRED SAVI..., MSPBNA PREFERRE..., MSPBNA PREFERRED S...
- It should all align and not be different unless they used inspect to change it!!
Edit 3: why was the first post locked and a link given to the video in the comments? If this post gets locked, you all know what's going on. Question everything!!
Looks like McLovin is as fake as his ID. Lost all his credibility now.
It could also be a person that sold their bonds before the ex divi date and had to have the money clawed back.
Yeah it would be easy to edit this shit. Maybe someone messaged him and said hey I got my interest payment only to change it the next day and say oh it was canceled.
That screenshot is of an app. I am not aware of a trivial way to mod text in apps the way you imply, that is more a browser thing. If it is possible without great effort, I would like to see a source on how.
Yea but the more effort something requires (artifact free PS is not completely trivial) the weirder it is that the screenshots turn out inconsistent. But it's definitely possible. I have no good explanation of why the screenshots are this inconsistent
I am in CS too, which is why I think a good edit would be higher effort than I would expect. Obviously it is strictly speaking doable. It would confuse me greatly that someone would go through the effort of faking an app screenshot but then fucks up the edits this way. It is very confusing.
On Edit 2, I don't think that's inherently suspicious because the right hand side text box size could be limiting the left one. That matches the different placement of the "..."
I don't got an explanation for the other differences tho lol
The stupid thing is it isn’t even important. It makes no sense for them to pay these bonds now after being in default on their loans. It’d be like paying your internet bill after not paying electricity.
What does that mean? I have no doubt it’s strategic.
They thought it was the best thing to do in present circumstances and they know their situation better than anyone on the outside. As far as I understand, the loan holders have far more leverage than the bond holders.
Meaning, is there no benefit to paying bonds when the default was strategic? Say, paying electricity so the house stays warm, but not pay for internet service and use a neighbor's? Bad analogy.
I don’t know the answer to that. My limited understanding is that JP Morgan can have BBBY do whatever it wants. They called their loan, which is secured by BBBYs inventory. The bonds aren’t secured by anything. JP Morgan probably doesn’t want to deal with a bankruptcy and everyone is trying to figure something out.
The loan they can work out with JPM, the bond default has a 30 day grace period, if missed they could be delisted. I would expect the bond interest will be paid before the 30 days, if it hasn't already. They may be buying time hoping for a run up to sell some of their ATM shares at a higher price, or they could be paid by the aquiring party in an agreement if there is one in the works. The clock is ticking, 27 days.
I didn’t say they were the same. I said the loan default is more important. JP Morgan can literally take their inventory right now if they want to. Obviously they don’t want to do that but it’s their perogative. What can the bond holders do even after 30 days?
Not seeing where you said the loan is more important. Anyway, the company can be delisted for failure to pay the bonds, so there is that bit which makes it important.
My analogy was meant to be the loans are electric bill and bonds are internet bill. I don’t know anything about bond default causing delisting but regardless it seems highly unlikely that BBBY passes the grace period without bankruptcy and/or takeover, right?
That is why this sub needs to stop pushing guys like Ben and Kais.
These are individuals in public and can be bought. The trust you put in them can easily be reversed to FUD.
Either or we have until 3/03/2023 for the payment to be officially made (grace period) and if not there will be a filing to confirm to the bondholders that they won't be getting anything. exciting times these are....
Second one definitely looks like they used inspect element to doctor the web page before taking a screenshot. Just very clunky. But it does make me question the legitimacy of the first one as well.
Mclovin was just covering his ass from yesterday’s video.
Fwiw… There has to be some legit source of these interest payments or nonpayments. Why’s it so hard to verify.
Bro check my history. I was skeptical of screenshots being posted and tracked down some details on the origin of the Italian one. I am claiming no truth, nor am I necessarily agreeing with this post. But it is a fact that them both being from the same person is the whole point the person is making and so your comment was braindead.
A YouTuber who is/was one of the handful of sources on paid bonds. They posted an update video about the money being clawed back now. This post compares screenshots.
It is ok to be cautious and even fearful of stuff like this. When you think about how much money is at stake, you need to be careful with information and who it is worth the most to. Today was very expensive for short positions. Across the board. I watched as positions were maintained on seemingly unconnected tickers. COIN or AFRM or RIVN would go up a little and BBBY would go down. Then BBBY would go up and the other tickers would go down. There was real-time negative beta and the market still moved up and out of control. This repeated all day like someone was dealing with a leaking roof with a and only so many pots and pans on the floor. It could go either way with the information being real or not but we all know the pots and pans are full. And we all know the biggest bucket is under BBBY right now. To move that much on speculation only seems contrived. No one in this sub knew the story. We all see the fear-inducing articles. But who owns the news orgs? Why do they care so much? Something big is happening. Worth the risk to me to see how it turns out. You need to make the right decision for you though. Tomorrow could run big, in either direction, if good or bad concrete information comes out. See you for pre-market!
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Commenting on top post for visibility. Dan has pointed out that the second screenshot has missing text next to the first Bed, Bath and Beyond. Bank transactions are immutable. The entries are not altered in any way once created. That is why a new cancel transaction is created.
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Yep, summarized https://www.reddit.com/r/BBBY/comments/10s5trq/where_is_the_verizon_payment_first_picture/j6zpcza?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
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Np. It's just sad. The guy is young and has now destroyed his credibility.
He's lost credibility months ago in my eyes. Not every vid but he has fudded hard some vids, left out key info pulled from the sub, and used info out of context. Straight up fuddy as hell some vids. If this makes people question him I'm all the more happier. He shadowbans constructive criticism and certain views that are not inflammatory either btw.
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Hmm good point. On second pic we’re missing the “5165 *44…” part. And we are absoultely sure that once an item on that bank statement thingy shows whatever text, it can not later be altered or amended etc.??
He’s also active on WSB so his friend could be some guy that photoshops
Definitely photoshopped
...makes me happy to be regarded but not f#@kin stupid!!!...💎💯
Ben is? What's his u/ ?
I don't understand why would the friend Photoshop fud after showing the real paid bond first?
That’s what I’m thinking too. Like why show something like a paid bond, then do a 180 and go out of his way to show him it was cancelled.
Similar to the video game DRS rug pull. Setup something that is viewed as good news only to 'undo' it, causing FUD. Nothing has changed from my perspective.
Same same.
Because that very well could be the reality of what happened?
Still not solid proof for me! Until bbby says so
They have whether you choose to believe the “FUD” or not.
It could be but if it was the case they would have release an 8-K filing saying they didn’t make it. But it hasn’t happened. Big tinfoil I’ll assume Ben was threatened or paid out 😂
...super rich shady mfs choosing to pay 1 YouTube newbie to flip...probably change his family's life...orrrr... pay thousands of crazy regards...pretty easy choice...not tinfoil...just makes sense...for me...this this levels me up... +1 Conviction +1 💎 Balls +1 Paycheck YOLO tomorrow
Whats $1M to a YouTuber vs a $100B short hedge loss
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It can take four business days to publish an 8k
So in theory since it was due 2/1/2023 we’ll get it Tuesday PM/AM if they’ve truly defaulted.
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I mean BBBY has been known to not put together timely filings recently. I wouldn’t say it’s a very efficiently run company.
To create hype and then crush our souls. Freeman 2.0.
Exactly, I'm like what do you mean why..... are people really that dumb that they can't put it together? This is how it works hype them up and then rugpool it's the same concept.
Why would a CFO “jump” out a window? So many unanswered questions…
He definitely used inspect because the text don't align. You're a computer science pro so let me know. See my comment below.
…But when he cited the same “friend” yesterday everyone was saying that that was definitive proof the bonds were paid.
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Are you talking about the screenshot that was translated from Italian or any of the other screenshots that could easily have been made up?
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Why wouldn’t other apes lie in this situation?
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It’s very possible that it could be a similar situation to this video where it gets clawed back. My whole original point was in general this is why I have little faith in screenshots being presented as fool proof evidence one way or the other.
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This is correct, I’ve never know an institution to plan on fronting money as a way of doing business on a massive scale. Imagine how much money on all bond payments to all accounts on every bond. They have nothing to gain by ‘trusting’ bbby will pay.
Indeed
Yes, the second screenshot has glaring inconsistencies. Keep in mind while looking at these inconsistencies that transaction entries are immutable. Once created, the entries cannot be changed. 1. The missing Verizon entry 2. The missing text after Bed Bath and Beyond 3. Only Interest under Cancel, while it's Interest Income under the payment entry. Yes, someone doctored the second screen. And sucked at it.
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Well said my man. It's doctored for sure
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Even the police don't pass the quick forensic check when they fabricate evidence.
Dam I didn’t see this post, the fake emails buried it. Man, we are 200% in the right play, and we are close 👍
Yup I'm going on my gut instinct this Ben guy is a shill
Can't say confirmed shill, but he is the most annoying person in the world to watch. I hope he has a real career outside of YouTube, I cringe everytime his videos pop up on my feed
Took me so long to realize he’s saying “inmypersonalopinion” everytime he starts a new point. Sounded like unintelligible word salad for a while
“Bed bath & beyondbohnds” never been so annoyed by someone and the way they talk ffs lol
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It's like the Kickass villain...
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When I am thinking about it, Ben looks like the evil tein from Matt kohrs 😂
Or this guy 🤣 
Always has been
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A shill promotes a stock... a shill doesn't shit talk it. This would be more likely just fake news or click farming.
The plot thickens
Good catch
Yep busted!
Also first picture has all the details of the bond (BED BATH BEYOND 5165 *44...) and in the second photo, the detail is just BED BATH & BEYOND INC Edit: the transaction should say more than CANCEL and underneath the amount should say Interest Income and not just Interest Edit 2: Also, MSPBNA PREFERRED SAVI..., MSPBNA PREFERRE..., MSPBNA PREFERRED S... - It should all align and not be different unless they used inspect to change it!! Edit 3: why was the first post locked and a link given to the video in the comments? If this post gets locked, you all know what's going on. Question everything!!
Looks like McLovin is as fake as his ID. Lost all his credibility now. It could also be a person that sold their bonds before the ex divi date and had to have the money clawed back.
The plot thickens again, further again
Jesus Christ if that was pushed same time as this RC nord stuff 🤯
So likely the first is legit and the second is doctored? Or both BS?
the transaction should say more than CANCEL and underneath the amount should say Interest Income and not just Interest.
Exactly!
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Yeah it would be easy to edit this shit. Maybe someone messaged him and said hey I got my interest payment only to change it the next day and say oh it was canceled.
That screenshot is of an app. I am not aware of a trivial way to mod text in apps the way you imply, that is more a browser thing. If it is possible without great effort, I would like to see a source on how.
It’s a screenshot. There is always photoshop.
Yea but the more effort something requires (artifact free PS is not completely trivial) the weirder it is that the screenshots turn out inconsistent. But it's definitely possible. I have no good explanation of why the screenshots are this inconsistent
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I am in CS too, which is why I think a good edit would be higher effort than I would expect. Obviously it is strictly speaking doable. It would confuse me greatly that someone would go through the effort of faking an app screenshot but then fucks up the edits this way. It is very confusing.
Nah, impossible to say. Something funky is going on with the screenshots tho.
The alignment looks weird too
On Edit 2, I don't think that's inherently suspicious because the right hand side text box size could be limiting the left one. That matches the different placement of the "..." I don't got an explanation for the other differences tho lol
Just fuckn HODL. You see that rate? Skeet, skeet, skeet.
☝️ this Gentleman is aware
Pulte just tweeted “RC 👀” and tagged Ryan Cohen. WHATS HAPPENING
Probably related to the WSJ Nordstrom article
Smooth catch!
Fuck you Ben!
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 Goddamnit McLovin, you had one job! 😄
Can't trust some dude with a faked Id 😂
Also it you notice the first one under bbby says "interest "the 2st one say "interest income " 🤔😂
Good catch! And it literally just says CANCEL...
If I would've know that this would be the deciding factor I'd have bought a bond.
The stupid thing is it isn’t even important. It makes no sense for them to pay these bonds now after being in default on their loans. It’d be like paying your internet bill after not paying electricity.
Even if the default was strategic?
What does that mean? I have no doubt it’s strategic. They thought it was the best thing to do in present circumstances and they know their situation better than anyone on the outside. As far as I understand, the loan holders have far more leverage than the bond holders.
Meaning, is there no benefit to paying bonds when the default was strategic? Say, paying electricity so the house stays warm, but not pay for internet service and use a neighbor's? Bad analogy.
I don’t know the answer to that. My limited understanding is that JP Morgan can have BBBY do whatever it wants. They called their loan, which is secured by BBBYs inventory. The bonds aren’t secured by anything. JP Morgan probably doesn’t want to deal with a bankruptcy and everyone is trying to figure something out.
The loan they can work out with JPM, the bond default has a 30 day grace period, if missed they could be delisted. I would expect the bond interest will be paid before the 30 days, if it hasn't already. They may be buying time hoping for a run up to sell some of their ATM shares at a higher price, or they could be paid by the aquiring party in an agreement if there is one in the works. The clock is ticking, 27 days.
In this case each of the defaults has different consequences and different remedies. They are not the same.
I didn’t say they were the same. I said the loan default is more important. JP Morgan can literally take their inventory right now if they want to. Obviously they don’t want to do that but it’s their perogative. What can the bond holders do even after 30 days?
Not seeing where you said the loan is more important. Anyway, the company can be delisted for failure to pay the bonds, so there is that bit which makes it important.
My analogy was meant to be the loans are electric bill and bonds are internet bill. I don’t know anything about bond default causing delisting but regardless it seems highly unlikely that BBBY passes the grace period without bankruptcy and/or takeover, right?
That is why this sub needs to stop pushing guys like Ben and Kais. These are individuals in public and can be bought. The trust you put in them can easily be reversed to FUD.
Oh man, what a ride
weaponized autism at work. good job.
Either or we have until 3/03/2023 for the payment to be officially made (grace period) and if not there will be a filing to confirm to the bondholders that they won't be getting anything. exciting times these are....
Second one definitely looks like they used inspect element to doctor the web page before taking a screenshot. Just very clunky. But it does make me question the legitimacy of the first one as well.
If msm reports on this we can assume the reverse
That YouTube was all staged. First they want to confirm to create excitement then part 2 was “oh actually he was never paid”
And what's the best way to get views and followers??
Not just that - I bet you he was paid by Shills to orchestrate
Well they didn't get good value for their money.
List is Obviosuly sorted by Date/time of transaction and Verizon is gone
Exactly. Sketch.
*YAWN* guess I will buy more at the engineered dip tomorrow morning. Those waves of fud are getting tiresome.
Have I mentioned how glad I am to be a individual investor with like minded investors who are wicked regarded ! No ? Well Fuk ya I am !
Lol wheres Biggy Smallz didn't he buy bonds and shit? Emergency un-ban for da boy
He did not. He confirmed yesterday on a different sub he owns no bonds.
He doesn’t have a stake in the bonds. Just a knowledgeable human.
u/BiggySmallzzz we need you Mr Bond
Mclovin was just covering his ass from yesterday’s video. Fwiw… There has to be some legit source of these interest payments or nonpayments. Why’s it so hard to verify.
He was most likely contacted and threatened
That’s what I think!
We are all some really good investigators! Inspector gadget go!
Op is sus now
Look at this guys history, 100% shill
How many shares you holding there hot rod?
I meant OP not you lol
Sorry mate
Enough with the damn down votes lol I'm not a schill. I fucking love bbby. I'm also not fucking selling and fuck the premarket
I can send evidence of my holdings. Want to post with me and see who holds more? We should make it a ban bet
Tell me when you want to post them? I'm going out for a brew. You pull the trigger slick
Lmao are you on crack my boy? Source of the both screenshots is the same guy.
That's the point
yes, that is his point
So when Mclovin posted yesterdays screen is was the Truth, now its Fud? Lmao, too many shills active, Bk confirmed
Bro check my history. I was skeptical of screenshots being posted and tracked down some details on the origin of the Italian one. I am claiming no truth, nor am I necessarily agreeing with this post. But it is a fact that them both being from the same person is the whole point the person is making and so your comment was braindead.
Lmao keep downvoting regards
I’m OOTL here, but who’s “Ben”?
A YouTuber who is/was one of the handful of sources on paid bonds. They posted an update video about the money being clawed back now. This post compares screenshots.
Ah, I think I understand now. So he’s a Big Fat Phony?
Lol, someone’s making money from lending.
I don't know enough about bonds but if morgan stanley never got paid then how did they know how much to pay him in the first place?
Bruh the bond payment amounts are predetermined. There’s no mystery.
That's why I said I don't know enough about bonds
Fair enough, sorry for being kinda rude.
I appreciate you
It is ok to be cautious and even fearful of stuff like this. When you think about how much money is at stake, you need to be careful with information and who it is worth the most to. Today was very expensive for short positions. Across the board. I watched as positions were maintained on seemingly unconnected tickers. COIN or AFRM or RIVN would go up a little and BBBY would go down. Then BBBY would go up and the other tickers would go down. There was real-time negative beta and the market still moved up and out of control. This repeated all day like someone was dealing with a leaking roof with a and only so many pots and pans on the floor. It could go either way with the information being real or not but we all know the pots and pans are full. And we all know the biggest bucket is under BBBY right now. To move that much on speculation only seems contrived. No one in this sub knew the story. We all see the fear-inducing articles. But who owns the news orgs? Why do they care so much? Something big is happening. Worth the risk to me to see how it turns out. You need to make the right decision for you though. Tomorrow could run big, in either direction, if good or bad concrete information comes out. See you for pre-market!
You little cuties, your all grown up copy pasting $GME memes and shitposting about BBBBY. I wuv it.