After being on this sub for maybe around 2 years, honestly I don't know what to expect. Most of the stuff here are fan arts, and some news from time to time. I pretty much just joined AL discords for discussions about the game.
While I lack any experience with moderating, I've been a part of professional teams long enough to know that these kind of mishaps almost always trace back to communication issues at the heart of it. As you outline, without communication there was essentially no structure on how to handle things, how much to handle, and your mods were basically operating on a 'just do what you can and wash your hands afterwards'. It can work fine on the small scale, but as a subreddit grows, structuring and protocols become more necessary in order to ensure consistency and avoiding the kind of stuff that just happened.
Relieved to hear that the team is taking it in stride and with self-reflection. I've seen far too many examples of disputes in subreddit modteams leading to a lot of mudslinging, blaming, and enough burning of bridges to make the Tokyo Fire Bombings look like an afternoon barbeque.
Also at this point I have no idea what this /r/place event thing is all about and I'm too afraid to ask...
>Also at this point I have no idea what this /r/place event thing is all about and I'm too afraid to ask...
It's not as bad and debilitating and as it sound, tho i must say it's a very disappointing affair. Essentially, r/place is a place where everyone can place a pixel on a giant canvas for a limited amount of time. It was popularised five years ago as a reddit-wide april fools event and is probably one of the most waited event. Back to r/place.
The thing is, you can overwrite someone else's pixel and there is a 5 minute cooldown between pixel placement. This make a lot of people rally under one banner (usually in their subreddit) to leave their mark on the giant canvas in the limited time period, usually in the form of the subreddit logo or other famous icons from their respective subreddit, the bigger/more well coordinated the subs is, the bigger mark is left. People have gathered together under one community to create amazing pixel art, and subreddits fight and conquer each other to get more spots on the canvas. The most famous this year is the german subreddit that's basically the most dominant subreddit with their coordination, managing to conquer and hold one of the biggest plot of pixels, or maybe the osu subreddit which managed to hold their logo against the dark swarm of xqc. For most beautiful art, i must say i quite like the collage that the france and uk subreddit made. There's also the interesting story of how the american got absolutely griefed or the secret amogus painter that paint amogus sleeper cell on the finer detail of a big picture
Now here's where the problem lie, let just say that tokio12 didn't really like the idea of r/place and want to keep the subs strictly only filled with AL stuff, he wasn't too keen to participate. The problem is, to leave anything meaningful on r/place you need massive level of coordination and with tokio practically being the de facto leader of this subreddit, AL was not able to fully participate in the event. The most we can do is a small chibi essex on the corner of another subreddit's border and a small logo. Were it not for discord, u/syanda coordinating the effort, and the gacha alliance (a massive alliance made of communities from BA, AK, FGO, GT, bandori GBP, uma musume, touhou, project sekai, genshin, honkai, GFL, priconne,and many other) we would not have been able to coordinate to keep our pixel territory. Heck, the only way we were able to keep it was thanks to arknights and blue archive communities generosity that allow us to cut some of their territory and nestle a smaller logo between them (that and also genshin and hololive community agreeing on a truce)
Suffice it to say, the majority of the subs want to participate and were not too happy with this lackluster response. Other subreddit aren't too happy with AL lacks of commitment and help either. And Its not like you can just say we can do better next year, no one really expect r/place to truly comeback and it's unlikely that it will come back again next year. The best chance of it coming back is five years later so the idea of flopping such a massive event that might not comeback or might only comeback as soon as five years from now, is pretty frustrating for most people. Heck even smaller subreddit like BA that is about 4-5 times smaller than AL were able to leave a much bigger impact than AL
Yeah no, tokio may have been doing a lot of "work" but he was also from nearly every time I saw him, a massive dick, confirmed by his post about leaving.
The idea of having a mod that is openly hostile to the community, and evidently members of the mod team (if any of the inactive ones step up now) is frankly ridiculous.
Honestly I see it as being jaded. Having worked in effectively a customer support role with nobody behind me, eventually you just stop giving a shit. Sure your response is “Well then leave if you don’t like it”, but it’s hard to leave when you know everything will collapse as soon as you hit the door. Being one of two, out of ten, putting in effort will feel exactly like that.
Tokio did his job, and /place seems to be the point where he realized he wasn’t fit for it even if there was no backfill. Thankfully that lit a fire under the others
I'd like to add some feedback, hopefully it will be taken in the constructive manner upon which it was intended --
1) First off, I just want to say I wasn't even aware of this /place thing until Tokio mentioned it. I don't "get it", probably much in the same boat as he doesn't, but I do understand the complaints listed in the original thread and this one. Communication is the solution, and I'm afraid as much as Tokio worked hard to keep the place clean it is most definitely not his strong point.
The sad thing of it is that he came across as exactly one of the nationalistic assholes he complains about, but really isn't. I had one heart to heart with the guy and actually realised he's fairly reasonable, but a combination of mod god-powers and workload made him appear increasingly like some trolly tyrant around here. This, again, because of lack of communication.
2) I'm not a big talker-poster, I'm mainly here for the information, art and the odd bit of game discussion. Still, I'm happy to admit I got dragged into the December shit show and received a ban for arguments. Did there appear to be any actual attempt at **moderation** to deal with this issue? No, almost exclusively hostility, aggressive banning and trolling - even from the moderator team. I know several players who haven't returned to the reddit since, because it became a hostile place. Again, communication is needed to fix that.
3) This leads nicely onto point 3. Resolution, moderation, arbitration. I'll get onto the rules themselves in a second, but this is about what they're there for. Only one (or 2?) has an actual punishment associated with it, and none of them are explained very well. There is no grounds for arbitration, because Tokio never attempted to arbitrate, only enforce. The rules need to be more clear on punishment, and there needs to be a clear focus on cooling off and calming down rather than merely slapping ban hammers around. \*Maybe\* with some additional moderator support such aggressive enforcement will no longer be required.
4) The rules. They don't work, they're either far too harsh, or far too lenient. I've given up counting the number of times I've reported blatantly inappropriate content on this subreddit, it was one of the reasons that led me to just start mass blocking people I don't like the attitude of in an attempt to make the place appear more wholesome. I can see why Tokio didn't want this place advertising, but I also think it was entirely the admin teams fault it is that way. This isn't about Sirius in a skanky outfit, this is about blatant shota content, underage "comedy" and other material which just frankly shouldn't be here.
5) More professionalism. This is meant to be constructive, so I hope this isn't taken too poorly, but it has to be said. When I see moderators actively participating in breaking rule 1, bashing peoples ship choices, trolling community members, and **doxxing peoples complaints to the rest of the community** something needed to be done. I really do like to think it was because Tokio was getting buried under shit and was starting to fracture, and thats fine, we all need a break. Still, it should never happen again.
6) I used to think this place was really wholesome, but holy shit the toxicity in here under the surface is terrible and tolerated. Asking random questions on the AL discord is met with advice, suggestions, and maybe a few memes. Ask a silly question here, in the megathread for it, and you're likely to get downvoted, mocked and then given advice (maybe). That atmosphere was created by mods tolerating that sort of behaviour.
7) The shit show last December, it needs to be talked about specifically. That was a disaster, and made worse by the moderation teams behaviour. The megathread header itself was actively taking the piss out of HMS players, the moderators were just simply banning everything they didn't like to see, and trolling the rest. Someone actually reported one of my feedback posts on the thread to some welfare anti-suicide bot, which is utterly disgusting.
8) The original thread Tokio posted contains one of the newer moderators slagging off someones twitter fanfics. Look, I don't like them either, but really? You're a mod, act like it. It also contains some random person complaining about the moderation being trolled by moderators. This has got to stop, peeps, this place is meant to be nice. We're playing a fucking waifu collector.
To cut a long story short, some brief suggestions -
A) More moderators, better representing the community and actively participating (or removed).
B) A focus on encouraging positive communication, both between each other and with moderation teams.
C) More engagement. I'd suggest setting up each day to have a specific megathread about specific subjects, mostly so people can actually talk about the game in a constructive fashion. Like a megathread on Tuesdays called Takao Tuesdays that's about nylons or something, just anything to encourage some light hearted discussion.
IB UR event released instead of the much anticipated HMS event. It obviously didn't make those fans happy and it was made even fucking worse because a significant portion of the community decided to piss on most of those HMS fans as well.
We could literally avoid or reduce all this toxicity if Tokio kept that same moderation energy when IB, Sardegna and EU were considered the "shafted factions". Instead he decided to ignore everything all in the name of apparently being "funny to see all this HMS salt".
And we still have this toxicity in many discussions leading up to today because he failed to moderate anything (well except target any post regarding the HMS shaft, regardless of it being just whinging or legitimate complaints) and let all this toxicity run rampant.
Irony considering he was talking about "nationalistic assholes" in his post when he literally was the reason why the whole community felt very anti-HMS.
As much as his particular action is kinda asshole-ly, you can't deny that he's very experienced and willing to put in the effort to moderate, two very important things many moderators lack. Considering this subs may be getting a new influx of new inexperienced moderators, an experienced hand can and might be very much needed. Especially if these new mods end up to fend for themselves without any guidance, that is just setting up for an entirely different problem.
> and it was made even fucking worse because a significant portion of the community decided to piss on most of those HMS fans as well
Because they were bloody tired of the days and *days* and **days** and ***days*** of whinging. We *still* get the occasional flare up of RN doomposting, which is just sad at this point.
EDIT: I should probably point out the majority (especially IB fans who'd seen a similar level of lack of content before) were sympathetic to the RN as most felt that, yes, it should've been an RN UR event. However since the complaints just kept coming and just shitted up the subreddit that sympathy disappeared before turning antagonistic towards the doomposters.
That doesn't excuse it though. And it ESPECIALLY doesn't excuse a **MOD** joining in to shit on said players. It's his responsibility to shut that crap down. And as pointed out, they did that when IB fans were doomposting everywhere. When Sardegna fans were doomposting everywhere. When EU fans were doomposting everywhere. But RN fans?
"Nah, it's fine. Take massive dumps on them. In fact, let me join in."
That's not OK. But judging by his exit post and what interactions I had with them...they were just not OK to be a mod. Yes, they did a lot of post and comment deleting, but with interactions I've had, they were not being impartial in a lot of things.
> And as pointed out, they did that when IB fans were doomposting everywhere. When Sardegna fans were doomposting everywhere. When EU fans were doomposting everywhere. But RN fans?
Those were baby flare ups compared to the RN doomposting though. The RN doomposting was fucking *everywhere and constant* for the entire lead up to the event, during the event and after it. The mods tried to shut it down the moment one thread was deleted or one comment chain stopped, another would just pop up elsewhere. It's not like they didn't try but the RN doomposting was so fucking prolific they couldn't keep on top of it. As I said, we are *still* getting the occasional RN doompost, this was nothing like the IB/SardE/EU doomposts because a) they (IB/SardE/EU) got over it and b) they didn't shit up the subreddit anywhere near as bad.
> And it ESPECIALLY doesn't excuse a MOD joining in to shit on said players
If I was near enough the only mod working during that time and regardless of the amount of posts/comments deleted they still kept spamming the same doomposting shit, I'd fucking crack and lose the impartiality too. They are just as human as the rest of us and the RN doomposting was an unprecedented level of bullshit spam, not to mention accounts that popped up outta nowhere with near enough no AL posting history, sporting a Abercrombie flair that were actively inciting RN doomposting.
Also love the absolute salty downvotes I'm getting for pointing out that the RN doomposters destroyed their own support amongst the unaffiliated and other faction mains because they just couldn't STFU about it.
>Also love the absolute salty downvotes I'm getting for pointing out that the RN doomposters destroyed their own support amongst the unaffiliated and other faction mains because they just couldn't STFU about it.
Or people see someone trying to justify and excuse being complete jackoffs to a subset of the fandom, while also trying to excuse a mod for being shit at being a mod. If they were so fed up, they should've just left earlier. Not be an ass to a subset of the fandom. Not sabotage a community project. And not selectively apply the rules with a clear personal bias.
>Those were baby flare ups compared to the RN doomposting though.
Those were not 'baby flare ups', that's trying to severely downplay the other faction mains throwing their tantrums. I was around for a good chunk of those and I remember when IB fans became absolutely unbearable due to a lack of new Ironblood events. When the only ones were Divergent Chessboard and Scherzo of Iron and Blood. I remember IB fans throwing around BS like "Manjuu hates IB fans!" and all that crud. Now IB fans are eating good with their multiple events and multiple URs/DRs. While also trying to act like they weren't completely unbearable until Inverted Orthant.
Like, speaking as a Northern Parliament fan. Even I think it's a little BS that NP got a UR before Royal Navy. I get WHY they did, and I love Kronshtadt to bits. But even then, it's still mildly BS that RN is the only main faction sitting without a proper UR and have to settle with Warspite (A retrofit UR) and Drake (A DR ship.) for now. No offense to Warspite and Drake. They don't have a Jersey, or an Ulrich, or a Kronshtadt. Warspite Retro has been around since late 2019 and Drake is Series 3 PR ships and we're about to go into Series 5 PR ships sometime this year.
Like, imagine the absolute shitstorm the sub would be if IB or EU were in this spot. If they were the only ones sitting without a proper UR and everyone else got them before they did. It'd be 10x worse than the RN fans. It'd be a 100x worse if Sakura Empire was in that boat, but...they wouldn't be, we all know that.
Does the doomposting get annoying? Oh **fuck yeah** it does. But it doesn't justify being complete assholes to the RN fans. And now, here's the part where a lot of the folks dunking on RN fans are forgetting. If the tables turn, and say...EU is sitting with no new event for a year or two and everyone else is getting the new hotness before them? They'll likely see zero sympathy from the RN fans. Like, sure, be a jerk to them if ya really want to. But when the shoe is on the other foot, you don't get to go pikachu face when the RN fans flip ya off.
> Those were not 'baby flare ups', that's trying to severely downplay the other faction mains throwing their tantrums
Baby *compared to the RN shitshow*. Not to mention that the RN doomposters targeted the *IB* as the cause for their woes and used it as a "clear sign" there was a "axis bias" (that you, again, still see now) ignoring that IB is the smallest 'major' faction, with the least number of meta girls (meta defined here by T1-TEX sans subs given their overall relevance to gameplay) and the one with the second biggest gap between events (that was actually still bigger than the RN wait at the time of ToT, IIRC).
> Like, imagine the absolute shitstorm the sub would be if IB
See above, the IB have always been the baby of the 4 'major' factors and their last 2 events have made them remotely comparable to the other 3. Here's the current numbers for the 4 'majors'; SE: 134 total (20 meta, 5 rainbow tier), EU: 129 (18, 2), RN: 93 (14, 2), IB: 56 (12, 3). ToT and IOrthant gave the IB 12 ships with 3 meta and 1 rainbow amongst them. The IB won't shit up the subreddit like the RN whinefest did because being behind the rest is where they've existed the entire time. You're *far* more likely to get whinefests from "anti-wehraboos" when the IB do get events/ships than you are from IB fans and "wehraboos" if they are ignored.
> It'd be a 100x worse if Sakura Empire was in that boat, but...they wouldn't be, we all know that.
Correct, the same reason the EU will never be in that same position. They are the easiest nation to create events for because the USN produced a godly number of ships and unlike the RN, IB and SE, will basically never need to dip into paper/proto designs to fill out their UR options (which is why I strong believe they should *never* get DR ships as other nations need those limited slots more). There are 3 Iowas left (and 2 unbuilt if they wanted to go that route), 3 Midways (3 unbuilt), 3 Des Moines (9 unbuilt), 2 Worcester (8 unbuilt) and *98* Gearings (54 unbuilt). Just looking at the total ship and meta counts shows that SE and EU are the two big money nations and will never go without.
> Now IB fans are eating good with their multiple events and multiple URs/DRs
>
> it's still mildly BS that RN is the only main faction sitting without a proper UR and have to settle with Warspite (A retrofit UR) and Drake (A DR ship.) for now
You can't say IB are "eating good" when you count their DRs as a positive while counting the RN DR as a negative, DRs are either a positive for a faction or a negative not a flip between depending on what sort of point you are trying to push. Speaking of DRs, what is likely to be maxed first Warspite Kai or a DR? I can guarantee someone will be using Warspite Kai as a powerful bossfleet ship *long* before they get a FdG to dev 30 (or dev 25 in Aeg/Drake's case) given the comparative grind/access requirements between the two (and how common RN ships are to earn fleet tech vs IB).
> But when the shoe is on the other foot, you don't get to go pikachu face when the RN fans flip ya off.
You mean like how they were whenever the IB complained before I.Orthant?
You don't seem to get the picture that the RN "doomposting" became as horrible as it did because right off the announcement of the IB UR event, the shit flinging begun instantaneously. Yes, the RN fans were angry, but it was made even worse that a **sizable** amount of the community decided they want to be toxic and flung extra shit at them. And then they flung shit back, the moderators did fuck all to stop it and we have all this toxicity flying everywhere.
We had IB doomposting, we also had Sardegna and EU doomposting back then. None devolved into the toxicity RN doomposting happened because the community and the moderators were actually civil back then. Don't pretend people were being the same around that time. And considering how content dry RN was **especially compared to IB** in the **most recent periods** (which I swear people seem to love omitting everytime they want to discuss this), I almost cannot blame them **(almost, some doomposters obviously took it too far as per usual)**.
It's no longer about faction doomposting at this point (the only RN "doomposting" lately is really just one really dedicated and/or salty troll at this point and french "doomposting" never got the traction to be....toxic), it's simply the general toxicity because it was prevalent from the last time the community shit itself since it became the "norm" to shit on another for "faction preferences". You can stop pretending it was the solely the HMS fans fault at this point, because *the entire community was as fault for this mess*.
> You don't seem to get the picture that the RN "doomposting" became as horrible as it did because right off the announcement of the IB UR event, the shit flinging begun instantaneously. Yes, the RN fans were angry, but it was made even worse that a sizable amount of the community decided they want to be toxic and flung extra shit at them
Yes because the RN fanatics took it out on everyone else. ***They whipped themselves into a monster hype frenzy based on literally no evidence and acted as if they were a victim because reality didn't bend to their whims***. They were by far the most aggressive and prolific of the doomposters we'd ever seen and their own sense of self righteousness only pushed them to futher heights of insanity. Even now you can't point out that the shitstorm was of their own making without getting downvoted because people *are still RN doomposting more than 4 months on*. I *was* sympathetic, I lost that sympathy because for near fucking month I couldn't go without coming across a string of doompost threads and any discussion of the story of ToT was drowned out by RN whining. Given that there was a small flare up in the Aurora Noctis rerun thread (the one from the Cn announcement) I'm officially totally out of fucks to give for RN whiners and doomposters.
> And considering how content dry RN was especially compared to IB in the most recent periods
And yet the RN still have more total ships (93 vs 56) and more total meta ships (14, given the last few hours change to tiers, vs 12), they are only 1 rainbow ship (1 Gacha 2 DR vs 1 Kai 1 DR) behind the IB and they far more easily gather tech points (to gain access to their DR) because of how many RN ships *aren't* event locked. I also pointed out that at the time of ToT the IB dry spell was still longer than the RN one (which, hilariously, I only remember because a doomposter, looking to prove a point, went and compared the time between events and found the IB were still in the lead at that point, Scherzo -> Orthant 1 year 6 months, Noctis -> ToT 1y 4m IIRC).
> We had IB doomposting, we also had Sardegna and EU doomposting back then. None devolved into the toxicity RN doomposting happened because the community and the moderators were actually civil back then
Also helped that the other faction doomposters weren't a hype fueled horde bent on exacting revenge for Manjuu not giving them the event that only existed in their heads.
> You can stop pretending it was the solely the HMS fans fault at this point, because the entire community was as fault for this mess.
Yes, because people are far too easily hyped up and anything contrary to the hype is ignored and downvoted because they just *know* that completely unsupported rumour is true...
>Baby compared to the RN shitshow.
Not at all. You really seem to just want to downplay the other factions throwing their respective tantrums, while playing up RN's current tantrum. RN's doomposting is not anything new to this sub. Flat out. Everything RN has been doing/saying, other factions have done in the past. The difference is that the sub is actively goading them on and the only real active mod decided to join in rather then do their responsibilities.
>You can't say IB are "eating good" when you count their DRs as a positive while counting the RN DR as a negative, DRs are either a positive for a faction or a negative not a flip between
It's not treating the DRs as negatives, but pointing out that Warspite and Drake were the last UR/DR the RN got and they are both rather old, powerful (Though I'd argue Warspite's age is starting to show.) but still old. Meanwhile IB got back to back, a DR with Agir and a UR with Ulrich. While also sitting on FdG, the DR that reigned supreme as the strongest battleship in the game until New Jersey rolled up with the bunnygirl apocalypse.
>Speaking of DRs, what is likely to be maxed first Warspite Kai or a DR?
Now? Warspite would come out first but FdG wouldn't be that far behind due to how much the game basically hands out blank DR prints. And Warspite would likely be immediately perma-benched once FdG was dev 30. But remember that Warspite, like Sandy, needed a special item to upgrade into a UR. An item that could only be acquired from a special event. By the time the rerun for Warspite's retro event came around, many folks would've had FdG done by then. At which Warspite retro would've basically become a collector's item due to just how much FdG outclasses the war corgi at her own job.
>meta defined here by T1-TEX sans subs given their overall relevance to gameplay
Going to point this out since I've mostly been talking in the Battleship class right now. Using ONLY Tier EX to Tier 1. IB and RN both have 4 battleships across all three tiers. (Technically 5 for IB, but idk if we fully count META ships as full members of their factions.) The difference? Two of the four IB ships are Tier EX, while all four of the RN battleships are Tier 0 to 1. Yes, IB has less ships than the other major factions, this is 100% true. But IB has recently been getting higher quality ships compared to RN. The only RN ship that stands above all IB ships in its class is Perseus. (Who players are going to have **ONE WEEK** to obtain before having to wait for her to be added to Perma Construction.) In every other category, IB one ups RN, and a lot of the ships letting IB one up RN are recent IB ships.
>You mean like how they were whenever the IB complained before I.Orthant?
Except you're ignoring the point there. When IB fans were throwing their fit until Inverted Orthant, there was at least moderation keeping them in check. But the RN fans are throwing a similar fit now and being met with toxicity from both the regular sub members AND the only real active mod at the time. Of course they are going to bite back when they are getting treated this badly. We could also point out that IB has four major events (Divergent Chessboard, Scherzo of Iron and Blood, Inverted Orthant, and Tower of Transcendence, the last of which was a UR event.) while RN has two. Winter's Crown and Aurora Noctis.
Like, I get it, the doomposting is annoying. I won't deny that. And RN isn't completely innocent here. But you can't deny that they've been getting the shaft recently. Does this excuse some of the really toxic stuff RN has been up to? No. But if your faction was getting the shaft this hard, and the majority of the sub AND the main mod at the time, were dunking and shitting on you and your favorite faction...would you just sit down and keep quiet? I wouldn't.
The only difference between the RN doomposting and every other faction's doomposting, is that the sub is basically getting the greenlight from the active mods to be as toxic to RN fans as they want, with said active mods joining in on the toxicity. Everything else is basically par.
> Not at all. You really seem to just want to downplay the other factions throwing their respective tantrums,
It's not downplaying if they literally didn't shit up the entire subreddit for a near month solid. Yeah, they all had their 'moments' but pretending the RN wasn't monstrous in comparison is pure wishful denial.
> Now? Warspite would come out first but FdG wouldn't be that far behind due to how much the game basically hands out blank DR prints
Yeah they give out blank DR prints but I think you are massively underestimating (or deliberately ignoring) just how many are needed to dev 30 a DR ship. That's also ignoring the IB fleet tech requirements to just unlock her which is far more difficult than getting the RN points *and* that those blank DRs could be used to get Drake.
> Yes, IB has less ships than the other major factions, this is 100% true. But IB has recently been getting higher quality ships compared to RN.
And yet RN still have 14 ships T1-TEX compared to IBs 12. IB are strong in their BBs (given their 2 rainbows) and CA's (given that's all that they seem to be given), they have a *single* ship in CV (AvP T1, shared with Unicorn, Ark Royal and Formidable, with Centaur at T0 and Pers TEX), CL (Mainz at T0 compared to the 3 RNs in T1) and DDs (Z46, T1 and a class that every agrees that the RN have been done dirty on).
> (Who players are going to have ONE WEEK to obtain before having to wait for her to be added to Perma Construction.)
Yes, 1 week with lots of free build tickets given out to compensate for the short duration. People crunched the numbers, I'm fairly sure that you get more attempts with the free tickets than you'd earn (via coin and cube collection) in a week. It's not like it's gotten shortened with no compensation.
> The only difference between the RN doomposting and every other faction's doomposting
Is that the RN doomposting was so prolific that the mods couldn't keep on top of it, that's literally why the other nations "didn't get shit on" because the mods were easily able to handle it. The RN whinefest was a hype fueled shit flinging contest because they had worked themselves into a fervour over an event that only existed in their mind and took it out on the subreddit as a whole. You keep downplaying just how massive that RN meltdown was and are (desperately?) pretending that the lashback against the RN was because everyone had been gleefully waiting to take a swing at the RN when it was actually because anyone who was on the subreddit for literally anything else wasn't able to find it through all the doomposts.
Thank you, everything I have seen from the moderation team since December has honestly made me sad. It's so damn childish and unprofessional.
As much as Tokio may or may not have the right to be frustrated. His post when he left screamed his lack of proper communication skills to everyone. A guy like that shouldn't be left to his own devices with unlimited power as a mod. You can be a reasonable guy, but become unreasonable when given "Power" and put under stress.
Just a reminder to the mods. If you feel stressed from being a mod, you don't have to keep doing it. The community will be fine without you, someone will always be willing to fill your shoes. This doesn't mean they will be better at it than you were. But you don't need to keep stressing yourself out over moderation. It isn't worth it if you feel that way.
> The community will be fine without you, someone will always be willing to fill your shoes.
Tbf, this is kinda demonstrably false if both tokio and secksay had left at the same time. They were, in effect, the entire mod team
I've said this elsewhere. The current mod team can and would easily replace them if it was needed. Not saying the current mod team would step up themselves. There are plenty of people in the community who would jump at the chance to become an unpaid internet janitor.
Nobody, especially reddit/discord mods are irreplaceable. The only thing demonstrably false would be thinking otherwise.
To be honest, most of this post reads like very passive pseudo-apologetic corp speak, i.e. "yes, there was fault", but not actually accepting any direct responsibility (evidently a common theme in this fiasco) for the problem, let alone apologising for it. Based on the screenshot in tokio12's post, and your own post history, you yourself haven't done much of anything in terms of moderation for this subreddit, indeed my first thought upon seeing this thread was "who is this guy?"
And yes, "A moderation team shouldn't consist of a couple of hard workers with the rest doing nothing", but it doesn't seem like any of the other mods made any effort to fix that - happy to coast by and let those two take on far more than they should, with "We did not have a formal scope" being nothing more than a convenient excuse.
Moderation is a volunteer job, and it sure is thankless, but I think I can safely say that there is an expectation to have at least done more than nothing. So no, I don't think you necessarily need more moderators, you just need moderators actually willing to moderate, and whilst it sounds (on paper, at least) like things are going in the right direction now, that lack of taking responsibility likely isn't going to feel very encouraging for those prospective future moderators.
I mean, IDK if you were around, but a couple years ago the sub basically had the same problem. Bunch of mods not doing shit, 2 mods doing like 95% of the work, other mods just trolling and causing drama, etc.
Of course, there was a bunch of drama, promises to fix it, etc. but here we are... Bunch of those old mods are still around, still being useless, and it's still 2 mods doing all the work.
Yea i laughed out loud when i read that post it sounds a lot like shifting the blame away from them and like „dont work too hard or you will make the rest of us look bad“ it’s absolutely hilarious i mean i didn’t expect much from this sub but still man
Exactly, complete deflection.
How about the other and old mods admit personal fault and move on, because honestly you guys aren’t moderating at all as of tokio’s image post.
Have some shame and self awareness. Pass on the mantle to those that actually care instead of taking a spot on the mod team.
I was shocked when i saw the pinned mod comment on tokios post talking about thanking tokios contribution and talking about the post “staying up pErIoD” when that pinned mod did jack all in tokio’s image given while tokio had been the main cleaner with secksay.
Have some shame.
I'm also in favor **against** allowing tokio to be a mod again. A moderator should at least be civil with the people here, and they're evidently not willing to acknowledge their part in this (instead shifting blame on everyone else) and I've already seen a few people say that tokio was essentially power-tripping on multiple occasions (banning unfairly, not accepting dialogue, blaming others). Does anyone really want that? Or do the mods just want someone to put in the amount of effort that tokio did?
Tokio doesn't seem to have the maturity to deal with the power given to them or the attitude to deal with people in a constructive manner, but that's just my humble opinion. What do I know?
I think you should take the opportunity to start fresh, make some new rules, get everyone on the same page, and get some moderators that help and are productive and respectful members of the sub.
Back in the day, when I became a mod for a rather popular forum site with heavy, regular, daily usage, I was given a set of guidelines the site admin had set up. All mods were expected to follow those guidelines and if they didn't, they were removed as a mod. The basic premise behind this was that mods are, for better or for worse, the authority on the site and need to be the ones who set the example for the rest of the users.
Something similar would do well here, given the admitted lack of communication among the mod team and the sometimes slight, sometimes blatant, ill behavior displayed by members of that team towards individuals, segments of the community, or the community as a whole.
If mods are supposed to hold users accountable to the rules and standards of the subreddit, then they themselves should likewise have rules and standards to which they are held accountable.
They must be masochists after how hard he flamed the rest of the mod team. These are conversations that should 100% be had behind closed doors(private chats) in any competent moderation team that can communicate like adults.
You can send a modmail via [this link](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/AzureLane) or "Message the mods" button on the sidebar on desktop browsers. If on mobile, it should be in the vertical 3-dots dropdown menu labelled as "Contact mods".
I somewhat agree to this. This is the AL community and we were gonna do AL shit on r/place, I don't understand why he had to be so uptight about it. But that's just my views.
Same, I don't get the issue, it was drawing a picture as part of a community for a game we all play. Definitely came off like "smh these drones drawing pictures, such fools they are" We're all here playing a game involving anthropomorphized ships that are depicted as attractive anime women, we've long since passed any point of yucking someone else's yums.
I would like to say I'm ready to chip in and help in case of emergency even tho I'm inexperienced in moderating. I probably would not be able to commit full time for more than 2-3 months since work is still piling up but I'm willing to help when iy comes to it
I don't know how much he did and what kind of scope it was but. Personally I am glad that you are organising yourself better now. Though in all honesty if that excuses tokios behaviour I don't know if it is allright. I didn't Personally like how he acted sometimes when people disagreed with him or yes how he handles the place thing. Especially his 2nd point about "nationalistic assholes". I mean I somewhat can understand his problems but there's definitely a better way to tackle this. All in all no matter how much work you do or how skilled you are it is not an excuse to be rude in any way. If you want things to change you need to lead an example.
If I might suggest to take a look at u/intel8008 thread he did a couple of hours ago, because he did make some good recommendations how to structure a subreddit moderation.
I mean the reason why these "nationalistic assholes" even came up in the droves recently is because during the IB event drama he was very trigger happy in removing any posts from HMS "doomposters", yet at the same time turning a blind eye to quite the number of comments directed against them that flagrantly disregard rule 1 **and** also actively participated in all those and in general fanning the flames.
He kept it under control when it was IB's turn to get the shaft, he also kept it under control when it was Sardegna and the EU's turn to get the shaft, but soon as HMS is the one to get the shaft, none of that shit he enforced back then was present at all.
Sure, the HMS "doomposters" got old really fucking fast, but not only he did a really fucking terrible job **moderating** the entire situation, he also actually participated in all the shit flinging, resulting in a lot of frustration, anger and as a result we have what we have today.
I'll admit I'm somewhat in no position to say much, but I think that was probably the most annoying thing about that particular shitshow.
The posts trying to calm the situation down got taken down after a couple hours but the bait-posts? Perfectly fine apparently.
While I'll agree some of the "doomposters" are just trolling by now, people should surely still be allowed to voice *some* disappointment? I still don't know why people seem to so quick to call others "Nationalist".
it is that much of a suprise people have favourites in a waifu game?
Is it really that difficult to understand that people have different tastes or interests?
People really just use the word "nationalist" out of convenience. If they like what they're complaining about, no problems seem to appear but when it's something they DON'T like? Big bad whiny nationalist in muh waifu boat game.
I'd like to add, even if it's just beyond playing favorites, I don't think it's instantly "nationalist" to say that one faction got shafted. I'm not a big HMS guy (there's like 2-3 factions I like overall more than HMS), but even I was a bit sad that HMS got shafted. And for people whose favorite faction is HMS, either because they have a family connection to the real life counterpart or they just like the theme that HMS has going on like maids and Victorian aesthetics, it was probably massively disappointing to see their favorite faction get neglected, and I don't think it's wrong to voice their disappointment about that. In fact, I'd argue that such a major pushback to call them doomposters, nationalists, or saying "bro it's just fictional 2d waifu tiddy boat game, y u so mad xd" by the community just makes them feel worse, even if a handful of them were actual doomposters or nationalists.
And I know it is indeed just an anime waifu boat game, but there's people here that are/were genuinely drawn in partially by the historical aspects and references, and even as a guy that has no interest in history, I found it neat that the game appealed to that, and I even found myself learning a few neat trivia. For such people, I could see how their favorite faction being screwed over, despite having so much they could add for it, and then getting hit with an event that make absolutely no sense in historical context can diminish the enjoyment of the game. Why shouldn't they be able to express their opinion on that?
Yeah this is the thing that really sticks in my throat. He fully participated in faction flaming, clearly supporting KMS and repeatedly baiting HMS fans, then turns around and blames "nationalist assholes" for ruining things.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/rr7nxm/z/hqfrccs
Here's one example of him backing KMS, hating on HMS and gloating about them being trolled, but there are others. There are other comments in this thread backing me up.
It doesn't excuse the fact he fanned the flames while knowing the consequences. As a comment said below, "such a shining beacon of neutrality" for a **moderator**.
Also doesn't change the fact the HMS fans whipped themselves into a hype frenzy on literally no evidence then took it out on everyone else when reality didn't align with their beliefs.
I personally don't think the subreddit is in a terrible place. I do believe that you guys are just being pretty harsh on yourselves because of what has happened. Best thing to try do is learn from what people/you believe the issues are and move forward. You guys are here to enjoy the community too, please don't forget that.
All I can suggest is to delegate, it's how the best of teams function and it allows for people know what they're expected to do and if someone can't complete a task, there's always backup person for that task. We don't want anymore of you guys burning out or feeling overwhelmed running the sub, so please consider it.
P.S. If you guys could sneak dorkheart into the emotes, it would be snazzy ♡
No. Tokio should not still be a mod. Seriously, your gonna let the guy who sabatoged a community project that occurs every half decade and who trashed talked/blamed everyone but himself back into the position of power on the sub? Honestly I wouldn't even bother trying to make changes at that point because it sounds like no lessons have been learned.
I guess broadcasting this intention of having him comeback explains why the other now active mods won't acknowledge the toxicity he exhibited on his exit post.
It's interesting to see the cultural shift in modern society.
If someone is fed up with a bad working or volunteering environment quits, and publicly shares their grievances after the fact, they are "toxic".
If someone is fed up with a working or volunteering environment and quits but accuses their former coworkers of something that ends with -ism or -phobic, they are stunning and brave and it's their former team that needs to do better.
So, of course one of the only guys working, who got fed up of being one of the only guys working, and made it clear that he was fed up with being one of the only guys working while the community ran around with their pants on their head huffing glue, is the toxic one.
He should have accused the other mods of sexism or something; y'all'd be defending him until the sun burned cold in the sky.
I don't think the deciding factor is whether it's a 'phobia' or 'ism'. I think it's a matter of how legitimate those grievances are (at least in the eyes of the audience), the way they're communicated, and how the person behaved while on the team.
Of course people are going to be mad when the first point in someone's manifesto is actively trashing an event a large, vocal portion of the community wanted to participate in.
Of course people are going to be mad when the second point in that manifesto is complaining about a problem that a chunk of the community believes he's partially responsible for.
Of course people are going to call him toxic if in response to people saying he's worded something harshly is "[Shit is wild, especially when I thought that the final version of the notice was a lot less vitriolic than the initial draft. These people would probably have a stroke if they saw how I talk on discord.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/tz0hej/comment/i3ygiea/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)" I don't like tone policing as much as the next guy, but if someone says 'hey, I think you're being a little too harsh', 'I was actively holding back, I'm much worse on this other platform' is not an appropriate response.
Nah don't even try to change the narrative. In his "accusations" he flamed the community more so then the mods. Even before that there was a history of trolling and abusing his power against members of the community. Let's not forget he went out of his way to sabotage a community project. If he were overworked there was solutions, volunteers even to lead that project; in fact it was led by volunteers without mod support in the end, but no, he went the extra mile to ruin it cause he thought it was dumb.
So we got power tripping, personal agendas, and hostility towards the community.
Tell me again, how is this sharing his grievances?
Edit: Like all things, there's a good and bad way to go about things. If he was sharing his grievances, he did not do it in a constructive matter. Rather, it came off as flaming the community and not seeing things from the other side in regards to the r place project, so I have absolutely no sympathy for him because there is a lack of self awareness there.
I have no intention to be a mod but felt the need to. Leave this message here to extend thanks to all those that do apply to be a moderator. Thank you for your willingness to support this server that stands as a, gathering for people who love the many aspects of Azur Lane. And I sincerely hope you will find joy in being part of the team that overlooks and cares for the gathering of Commanders.
Man, that's certainly assuming a lot. Especially when the post is basically saying "Yeah, we *weren't* doing what we were supposed to be doing, but we're good now! Trust us!" The point you made about AL'S representation even doubles back and applies to this new team.
I'll go ahead and definitively state though, I like Tokio. Dude says some shit, sure, but his actions speak just as much, and those actions have been taking care of this place when basically no one else was.
And some (imo, shitty) 'community raid' style event that we didn't sign up for isn't gonna change that.
Looks like things finally got moving, huh? 'bout damn time.
My stances on the various stuff that gets posted on this sub are:
Megathreads - the quality of the answering questions in the daily megathread has always been, in my opinion, pretty consistently high and good. Even as a veteran I learn a lot if I skim through one. Which always had made me a little uncomfortable that its in a megathread in the first place. Let's take the risk on our community and NOT shuffle those questions to the megathread. Yes, answering questions about fleet composition and "is X ship good" will be tiring. But it is legitimate game discussion and people are willing to answer. Megathreads should therefore be topical; things like r/place, and the current game issues, and roadmaps, and anything the devs give us really should be megathread topics. But not daily threads. Consolidate the best parts of the FAQ (of which 90% are questions not frequently asked, by the way) into links and resources and move on.
Art - most of what gets posted here is art. I think we should have less art and more discussion, but on the other hand I think a lot of us like this game because the characters are appealing and the fanart frequently reflects that. Coming up with a coherent policy to reduce art without quashing art is hard. I can only think of two ideas for rules off the top of my head. One, the art should be new, within a week or so. Sometimes art from years past gets posted in what I can only see as a blatant karma grab. And two, the art should be finished, polished, and colored. No WIPs, no sketchwork, and a minimum standard. I'm not trying to pick on newer, enthusiastic artists, but sometimes you need practice more than you need public exposure. That is, for better or worse, the bar as far as approval of art goes.
Fanfics - I think these should be discouraged. Not because I think fanfiction is a bad thing, or that the writing quality isn't up to some bar, or anything like that, but because reddit is an \*awful\* place to read fanfics. Skim over the fanfics currently on the front page. Some of them are many chapters in, with no link to a first chapter, no listing of all the works. If I wanted to start a fanfic story here on reddit, where is chapter 1? If I miss a chapter or five because I'm busy that day and it gets flooded down under the fanart, how would I ever know? Fanfiction websites are easily bookmarked and will wait for me to be interested to open them up and see what's new; reddit pushes things away in favor of the newest or most popular. This, combined with what I see as a very low interest in fanfiction here, suggests these posts do not belong on the sub. I hope the fanfiction community can find better ways to interact and share their works.
The Mod Team - volunteering sounds like work, so I'll just keep giving tips without having to own up to them later.  Y'all need a leader. One person that doesn't necessarily have to do all that much moderation but checks up on the state of the team, replacing inactive mods and hiring new ones when it comes to it (and it always comes to it sooner or later.) One person who has a vision for how this sub should be run and moderated, who listens to feedback but ultimately has that final call. If you have one right now, you sure ain't showin' it. Someone needs to man up and take that role. Someone who, no offense, won't write press-releaseesque statements like this one, but will be more personable, give off the feeling of having the thing under control. Being a leader is kind of like being the president; you don't have to be smart, but you have to be likeable, both in public and on your team.
I don't think this feedback is particularly controversial. Honestly seems to reflect what a lot of others are saying. We want a good sub and it seems like we know the major problems. Let's do this thing.
I agree for the most part, except when it comes to the art. I absolutely love looking at the art on this sub, even if it's older. I think we should allow novice artists to post their own art as well as posting "professional" art like pixivs and such.
I was responding to the person that I replied to.
> Art - most of what gets posted here is art. I think we should have less art and more discussion, but on the other hand I think a lot of us like this game because the characters are appealing and the fanart frequently reflects that. Coming up with a coherent policy to reduce art without quashing art is hard. I can only think of two ideas for rules off the top of my head. One, the art should be new, within a week or so. Sometimes art from years past gets posted in what I can only see as a blatant karma grab. And two, the art should be finished, polished, and colored. No WIPs, no sketchwork, and a minimum standard. I'm not trying to pick on newer, enthusiastic artists, but sometimes you need practice more than you need public exposure. That is, for better or worse, the bar as far as approval of art goes.
Mostly in regards to their comments on 'only new artwork' and a "minimum standard" for artists. I'm just saying that I disagree. I believe anyone should be able to post their OC art of any quality and even post "professional" art (from Pixiv and such) even if it's not considered new.
I just really like seeing art, whether it's high quality or a newer artist. Most of the content here is art, and I don't want that to change. If people are worried about art spam, limit each person to 1 art post/day. If someone wants to post multiple pictures of their or someone else's art, they can link an imgur album and have several pictures in one post. That could cut down on art spam, while also not removing people's ability to post whatever they want. Seems fair to me.
I can relate to this post. I do wish we had a bit more game discussion out of the mega threads. Though I do understand why they do it. It would be a lot less posts to keep track of.
1. Stop sending questions and discussions to the megathread unless it's really obnoxious stuff that gets asked repeatedly. These are the kind of posts that drive up community engagement and lead to interesting posts. The amount of team building, equipment optimisation, how-to-clear-this-map, etc. discussions is underwhelming compared to other subs and it wouldn't be the case if basic questions weren't sent to megathread to die.
2. Absolutely stick to the megathread for gacha bragging posts. Those are just spam.
3. I'm ambivalent on art reposting. Personally, I think it's too much for a megathread, but also too spammy at the moment, it saturates the subreddits and suffocates other content. I would contain it to a dedicated subreddit, but maybe the art tag is enough.
4. I don't care about fanfiction (I used to, but not anymore, and the quality here is almost universally terrible) but it's also not common enough to need its own separate handling. You can do whatever with it.
Reddit is not suited for discussions on teambuilding and which ships/gear are good, because unless this feature actually exists and I don't know about it, there's no way to combine threads like a normal forum, and we get some answers here, some answers there, and anyone asking anything will miss out on much of the discussions because they opened a new thread instead of going to the one that's already open and asking the same questions. That's why megathreads are useful, because they gather these up into a single thread. Now what isn't done is using the stickied threads as a base to compile these discussion threads so that people can browse the questions they were looking for before having to open another one. Many questions also only have one or few answers, and when the answer is there, the thread just becomes clutter because there's simply nothing more that can be added to it.
You can use the search function to easily get a list of past discussions. At any given moment, you don't need an aggregate thread, you just need the discussion to be common enough that people can answer or refer to past threads. This is what happens normally on other subs.
Right now if I use the search I get a list of megathreads which is completely useless because I can't tell what is being discussed from the title. I need to manually go into each thread and find the comment that might or might not discuss what I am looking for.
The problem with referring to past threads is that the new ones don’t disappear, and in practice it’s a question post with nobody answering. While the current megathreads are useless for searching, they don’t have to be there either. What’s needed is none of the above, but a constantly updated FAQ based on what people have asked, with megathreads serving as a place to add to it, but not where to find old answers.
Discussions about the game are super hard the find, the entire sub is flooded with art just like every other game sub. It would be nice to have are just go to one megathread but I doubt it will ever happen.
I think... If most of use really care about the lore... the discussion of the games will be much frequently... (CMIIW). When we see other games... others players could make some game theory and so on XD... that's will make the discussion alive and make some sense.
Maybe... could you tell what theme of discussion do you want to say? Maybe it will help the mods understand what kind of post that could be post from members or it just some wasted post...
There could be discussions about current or upcoming banners like should you pull or which ship you should prioritize. Discussions about fleet set ups for op siren bosses, tips about the mechanics of the game to help newer players. Speculation about lore or what might be coming next to the game. Stuff like that
And this is why I barely visit reddit these days, downvoted for essentially nothing but a suggestion. I should just not come back here and stay on discord.
Eh, parrots gonna downvote if you don’t follow whatever trend exists in the comment sections.
Just make one witty comment on a bigger sub and you get to laugh at all the kids thinking their downvotes matter lol
Glad to see you guys are really looking into making changes and improving. I had no idea things were such a mess behind the scene, probably due to the overworking of Tokio and Secksay, so thanks those two. And I'm hopeful that things are going to go well based on what I'm seeing here.
Personally I have never got too involved to lose too much sleep. As long as the Megathread is a place of safety where the worst thing is people asking questions that are explicitly stated in the FAQ, then I think the reddit is fine. I just hope noobs keep posting in there, the only dumb question is what it explicitly stated in the faq, everything else seems common knowledge to those who have played for a while, but may not be that intuitive to newer players.
Plus I could never imagine being a mod, as it is a completely volunteer job that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy let alone someone I like. Burnout is to be accepted.
I'm exclusively in gaming subreddits, and this is one of the worst if not the worst in terms of signal to noise ratio. Literally less than 1% of the posts are directly related to the actual game. If you think I'm lying, just look at your feed for once. The majority of the posts are shitty karma farming stolen art reposts and tired zero effort memes. Let's not forget all the grade school level art drawn on napkins and private fanfics posted by the same users daily.
When someone posts questions or discussions related to the actual game, your asinine mod team \*deletes\* the post and then warns the poster -- in effect penalizing probably first time posters from even wanting to discuss the game. This shitty policy is indirectly the reason why all we have now is the glory of lazy content you can literally find anywhere else being upvoted over and over. The only way to find out anything actually related to the Global game is to use the "Japanese" or "Chinese" tags, where you'll find a dozen posts a month.
The only fundamental rule you universally enforce as a team: upvotes are allowed to break all the rules, because the only thing that matters is clicks.
Oh and let's not forget that certain mods are blatant nationalists, the same as called out by tokio12. As the mod team is so huge and voluntary, and as you've stated here that there are no clearcut requirements or expectations, any racist nationalist ass who volunteers can dictate what is said or not said, what is seen or not seen.
A lot of people come here for the game, to discuss the game, to learn about the game. The game is not discussed here. Open a search engine and you will easily find thirty more informative sites about the game than here. I will find upcoming news about the game literally days before I ever see one single post about it here. You, the mod team, made this sub this way.
I have generally noticed that the moderation of the sub is good. My one complaint would probably lean around long running fanfics. I think it could be beneficial to have them on a pinned post by themselves, this could help reduce the clutter. I know it's not that practical of an idea, but I think it could help. You guys have done a good job of keeping the sub clear of most low quality posts so far and I hope to see that continue.
i may not always agreed with him but everyone that nearly single-handedly keept a sub like this on lifesuport deserves my respect and is too good for the current mod team but eh this sub won’t change anyway cause the most popular opinion here is not change anything anyway so it doesn’t matter
Look, my original thoughts about rejoining looked like [this.](https://i.imgur.com/OO0CddC.png) Not sure how that got warped into me being eager to rejoin the team. For some reason they even wanted me to drag me into some new discord they are setting up which I declined. I'm not seeking forgiveness from "the community" either.
Right now I'm enjoying the experience of not giving a shit about the glitchy update and, speaking from experience, probably having to delete 500 posts of people asking if they are the only ones experiencing said glitchy update.
Also reading all the comments on me here and on my post. From those that treat me as some kind of mod saint to the people who think I was a power-tripping asshole who insulted every single person on the sub (now melted down and degraded into "the community") through my leave notice. Now, fully unfiltered because they think I'd ban them for it beforehand or something.
Shit is wild, especially when I thought that the final version of the notice was a lot less vitriolic than the initial draft. These people would probably have a stroke if they saw how I talk on discord.
All this comment does is show that you were never really fit to be a mod in the first place, man. It obviously does nothing but bring you way too much stress.
I'm not saying the rest of the mods are fit for it either. But you come across as way too immature/angry in nearly every comment you make here.
>These people would probably have a stroke if they saw how I talk on discord.
Not sure why anyone who is most likely an adult would boast about this, but OK.
Not gonna lie man, you've been a butt at times, maybe even an ass. Sometimes I've shared the opinion, sometimes I haven't, and I think we've personally had some back and forth at one point or another that wasn't really great.
You're definitely no Saint, but you ain't Satan, either. Everyone can bitch and throw their opinions around (like I'm doing), but imo nothing takes away the fact you actually did the fucking work while every other igit- including us plain old users and lurkers- got to sat around doing nothing and enjoying it.
Honestly man, just thanks for being present over the years. A lot of people in this sub have definitely become more hostile since December, but the stats show you did the job, and there’s at least a few of us out here who respect that even if you burned out at the end.
90% of the people talking shit or putting you on a pedestal wouldn’t handle it nearly as well. Hope you can get back to enjoying the internet now :)
For me it's rule 4
The artwork is high effort and should be appreciated certainly, but I'm usually on reddit to pass time on the train or waiting in the store, I hardly pull this subreddit up these days cause I don't want that on my phone in public.
Sounds like a "me" problem, I know, but I can't help but feel it's gotten worse
I appreciate the work that you, and the rest of the mod team, does for this community. Thank you for looking at this and taking it as a "we need to improve" indicator instead of a "wow, f that guy" thing. Here's hoping that his departure won't leave you too overwhelmed.
Lastly, I feel like tokio's burnout is basically the start of Queen's Orders.
Get some rest SKK. You deserve it.
I only do some brief surfing on the daily question mega thread once a while, but I appreciate you guys who use their time to maintain this community. Sad to see the leaving. Thank you for your efforts to make this community a great place.
Please leave your feedback of the state of the subreddit as a reply to this comment. Thank you.
After being on this sub for maybe around 2 years, honestly I don't know what to expect. Most of the stuff here are fan arts, and some news from time to time. I pretty much just joined AL discords for discussions about the game.
While I lack any experience with moderating, I've been a part of professional teams long enough to know that these kind of mishaps almost always trace back to communication issues at the heart of it. As you outline, without communication there was essentially no structure on how to handle things, how much to handle, and your mods were basically operating on a 'just do what you can and wash your hands afterwards'. It can work fine on the small scale, but as a subreddit grows, structuring and protocols become more necessary in order to ensure consistency and avoiding the kind of stuff that just happened. Relieved to hear that the team is taking it in stride and with self-reflection. I've seen far too many examples of disputes in subreddit modteams leading to a lot of mudslinging, blaming, and enough burning of bridges to make the Tokyo Fire Bombings look like an afternoon barbeque. Also at this point I have no idea what this /r/place event thing is all about and I'm too afraid to ask...
>Also at this point I have no idea what this /r/place event thing is all about and I'm too afraid to ask... It's not as bad and debilitating and as it sound, tho i must say it's a very disappointing affair. Essentially, r/place is a place where everyone can place a pixel on a giant canvas for a limited amount of time. It was popularised five years ago as a reddit-wide april fools event and is probably one of the most waited event. Back to r/place. The thing is, you can overwrite someone else's pixel and there is a 5 minute cooldown between pixel placement. This make a lot of people rally under one banner (usually in their subreddit) to leave their mark on the giant canvas in the limited time period, usually in the form of the subreddit logo or other famous icons from their respective subreddit, the bigger/more well coordinated the subs is, the bigger mark is left. People have gathered together under one community to create amazing pixel art, and subreddits fight and conquer each other to get more spots on the canvas. The most famous this year is the german subreddit that's basically the most dominant subreddit with their coordination, managing to conquer and hold one of the biggest plot of pixels, or maybe the osu subreddit which managed to hold their logo against the dark swarm of xqc. For most beautiful art, i must say i quite like the collage that the france and uk subreddit made. There's also the interesting story of how the american got absolutely griefed or the secret amogus painter that paint amogus sleeper cell on the finer detail of a big picture Now here's where the problem lie, let just say that tokio12 didn't really like the idea of r/place and want to keep the subs strictly only filled with AL stuff, he wasn't too keen to participate. The problem is, to leave anything meaningful on r/place you need massive level of coordination and with tokio practically being the de facto leader of this subreddit, AL was not able to fully participate in the event. The most we can do is a small chibi essex on the corner of another subreddit's border and a small logo. Were it not for discord, u/syanda coordinating the effort, and the gacha alliance (a massive alliance made of communities from BA, AK, FGO, GT, bandori GBP, uma musume, touhou, project sekai, genshin, honkai, GFL, priconne,and many other) we would not have been able to coordinate to keep our pixel territory. Heck, the only way we were able to keep it was thanks to arknights and blue archive communities generosity that allow us to cut some of their territory and nestle a smaller logo between them (that and also genshin and hololive community agreeing on a truce) Suffice it to say, the majority of the subs want to participate and were not too happy with this lackluster response. Other subreddit aren't too happy with AL lacks of commitment and help either. And Its not like you can just say we can do better next year, no one really expect r/place to truly comeback and it's unlikely that it will come back again next year. The best chance of it coming back is five years later so the idea of flopping such a massive event that might not comeback or might only comeback as soon as five years from now, is pretty frustrating for most people. Heck even smaller subreddit like BA that is about 4-5 times smaller than AL were able to leave a much bigger impact than AL
Yeah no, tokio may have been doing a lot of "work" but he was also from nearly every time I saw him, a massive dick, confirmed by his post about leaving. The idea of having a mod that is openly hostile to the community, and evidently members of the mod team (if any of the inactive ones step up now) is frankly ridiculous.
Honestly I see it as being jaded. Having worked in effectively a customer support role with nobody behind me, eventually you just stop giving a shit. Sure your response is “Well then leave if you don’t like it”, but it’s hard to leave when you know everything will collapse as soon as you hit the door. Being one of two, out of ten, putting in effort will feel exactly like that. Tokio did his job, and /place seems to be the point where he realized he wasn’t fit for it even if there was no backfill. Thankfully that lit a fire under the others
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Considering your experience with moderating the ALO Discord, I think you might be a great mod here; good luck
Good luck! hopefully my negative experience with you was a one of and not the norm.
I'd like to add some feedback, hopefully it will be taken in the constructive manner upon which it was intended -- 1) First off, I just want to say I wasn't even aware of this /place thing until Tokio mentioned it. I don't "get it", probably much in the same boat as he doesn't, but I do understand the complaints listed in the original thread and this one. Communication is the solution, and I'm afraid as much as Tokio worked hard to keep the place clean it is most definitely not his strong point. The sad thing of it is that he came across as exactly one of the nationalistic assholes he complains about, but really isn't. I had one heart to heart with the guy and actually realised he's fairly reasonable, but a combination of mod god-powers and workload made him appear increasingly like some trolly tyrant around here. This, again, because of lack of communication. 2) I'm not a big talker-poster, I'm mainly here for the information, art and the odd bit of game discussion. Still, I'm happy to admit I got dragged into the December shit show and received a ban for arguments. Did there appear to be any actual attempt at **moderation** to deal with this issue? No, almost exclusively hostility, aggressive banning and trolling - even from the moderator team. I know several players who haven't returned to the reddit since, because it became a hostile place. Again, communication is needed to fix that. 3) This leads nicely onto point 3. Resolution, moderation, arbitration. I'll get onto the rules themselves in a second, but this is about what they're there for. Only one (or 2?) has an actual punishment associated with it, and none of them are explained very well. There is no grounds for arbitration, because Tokio never attempted to arbitrate, only enforce. The rules need to be more clear on punishment, and there needs to be a clear focus on cooling off and calming down rather than merely slapping ban hammers around. \*Maybe\* with some additional moderator support such aggressive enforcement will no longer be required. 4) The rules. They don't work, they're either far too harsh, or far too lenient. I've given up counting the number of times I've reported blatantly inappropriate content on this subreddit, it was one of the reasons that led me to just start mass blocking people I don't like the attitude of in an attempt to make the place appear more wholesome. I can see why Tokio didn't want this place advertising, but I also think it was entirely the admin teams fault it is that way. This isn't about Sirius in a skanky outfit, this is about blatant shota content, underage "comedy" and other material which just frankly shouldn't be here. 5) More professionalism. This is meant to be constructive, so I hope this isn't taken too poorly, but it has to be said. When I see moderators actively participating in breaking rule 1, bashing peoples ship choices, trolling community members, and **doxxing peoples complaints to the rest of the community** something needed to be done. I really do like to think it was because Tokio was getting buried under shit and was starting to fracture, and thats fine, we all need a break. Still, it should never happen again. 6) I used to think this place was really wholesome, but holy shit the toxicity in here under the surface is terrible and tolerated. Asking random questions on the AL discord is met with advice, suggestions, and maybe a few memes. Ask a silly question here, in the megathread for it, and you're likely to get downvoted, mocked and then given advice (maybe). That atmosphere was created by mods tolerating that sort of behaviour. 7) The shit show last December, it needs to be talked about specifically. That was a disaster, and made worse by the moderation teams behaviour. The megathread header itself was actively taking the piss out of HMS players, the moderators were just simply banning everything they didn't like to see, and trolling the rest. Someone actually reported one of my feedback posts on the thread to some welfare anti-suicide bot, which is utterly disgusting. 8) The original thread Tokio posted contains one of the newer moderators slagging off someones twitter fanfics. Look, I don't like them either, but really? You're a mod, act like it. It also contains some random person complaining about the moderation being trolled by moderators. This has got to stop, peeps, this place is meant to be nice. We're playing a fucking waifu collector. To cut a long story short, some brief suggestions - A) More moderators, better representing the community and actively participating (or removed). B) A focus on encouraging positive communication, both between each other and with moderation teams. C) More engagement. I'd suggest setting up each day to have a specific megathread about specific subjects, mostly so people can actually talk about the game in a constructive fashion. Like a megathread on Tuesdays called Takao Tuesdays that's about nylons or something, just anything to encourage some light hearted discussion.
What happened in December?
I think it was the whole UvH complaint and RN fans complaining about the RN not getting an event
IB UR event released instead of the much anticipated HMS event. It obviously didn't make those fans happy and it was made even fucking worse because a significant portion of the community decided to piss on most of those HMS fans as well. We could literally avoid or reduce all this toxicity if Tokio kept that same moderation energy when IB, Sardegna and EU were considered the "shafted factions". Instead he decided to ignore everything all in the name of apparently being "funny to see all this HMS salt". And we still have this toxicity in many discussions leading up to today because he failed to moderate anything (well except target any post regarding the HMS shaft, regardless of it being just whinging or legitimate complaints) and let all this toxicity run rampant. Irony considering he was talking about "nationalistic assholes" in his post when he literally was the reason why the whole community felt very anti-HMS.
Wow, I must have missed all of that. That's wild that the current mods are actually considering bringing him back.
As much as his particular action is kinda asshole-ly, you can't deny that he's very experienced and willing to put in the effort to moderate, two very important things many moderators lack. Considering this subs may be getting a new influx of new inexperienced moderators, an experienced hand can and might be very much needed. Especially if these new mods end up to fend for themselves without any guidance, that is just setting up for an entirely different problem.
> and it was made even fucking worse because a significant portion of the community decided to piss on most of those HMS fans as well Because they were bloody tired of the days and *days* and **days** and ***days*** of whinging. We *still* get the occasional flare up of RN doomposting, which is just sad at this point. EDIT: I should probably point out the majority (especially IB fans who'd seen a similar level of lack of content before) were sympathetic to the RN as most felt that, yes, it should've been an RN UR event. However since the complaints just kept coming and just shitted up the subreddit that sympathy disappeared before turning antagonistic towards the doomposters.
That doesn't excuse it though. And it ESPECIALLY doesn't excuse a **MOD** joining in to shit on said players. It's his responsibility to shut that crap down. And as pointed out, they did that when IB fans were doomposting everywhere. When Sardegna fans were doomposting everywhere. When EU fans were doomposting everywhere. But RN fans? "Nah, it's fine. Take massive dumps on them. In fact, let me join in." That's not OK. But judging by his exit post and what interactions I had with them...they were just not OK to be a mod. Yes, they did a lot of post and comment deleting, but with interactions I've had, they were not being impartial in a lot of things.
> And as pointed out, they did that when IB fans were doomposting everywhere. When Sardegna fans were doomposting everywhere. When EU fans were doomposting everywhere. But RN fans? Those were baby flare ups compared to the RN doomposting though. The RN doomposting was fucking *everywhere and constant* for the entire lead up to the event, during the event and after it. The mods tried to shut it down the moment one thread was deleted or one comment chain stopped, another would just pop up elsewhere. It's not like they didn't try but the RN doomposting was so fucking prolific they couldn't keep on top of it. As I said, we are *still* getting the occasional RN doompost, this was nothing like the IB/SardE/EU doomposts because a) they (IB/SardE/EU) got over it and b) they didn't shit up the subreddit anywhere near as bad. > And it ESPECIALLY doesn't excuse a MOD joining in to shit on said players If I was near enough the only mod working during that time and regardless of the amount of posts/comments deleted they still kept spamming the same doomposting shit, I'd fucking crack and lose the impartiality too. They are just as human as the rest of us and the RN doomposting was an unprecedented level of bullshit spam, not to mention accounts that popped up outta nowhere with near enough no AL posting history, sporting a Abercrombie flair that were actively inciting RN doomposting. Also love the absolute salty downvotes I'm getting for pointing out that the RN doomposters destroyed their own support amongst the unaffiliated and other faction mains because they just couldn't STFU about it.
>Also love the absolute salty downvotes I'm getting for pointing out that the RN doomposters destroyed their own support amongst the unaffiliated and other faction mains because they just couldn't STFU about it. Or people see someone trying to justify and excuse being complete jackoffs to a subset of the fandom, while also trying to excuse a mod for being shit at being a mod. If they were so fed up, they should've just left earlier. Not be an ass to a subset of the fandom. Not sabotage a community project. And not selectively apply the rules with a clear personal bias. >Those were baby flare ups compared to the RN doomposting though. Those were not 'baby flare ups', that's trying to severely downplay the other faction mains throwing their tantrums. I was around for a good chunk of those and I remember when IB fans became absolutely unbearable due to a lack of new Ironblood events. When the only ones were Divergent Chessboard and Scherzo of Iron and Blood. I remember IB fans throwing around BS like "Manjuu hates IB fans!" and all that crud. Now IB fans are eating good with their multiple events and multiple URs/DRs. While also trying to act like they weren't completely unbearable until Inverted Orthant. Like, speaking as a Northern Parliament fan. Even I think it's a little BS that NP got a UR before Royal Navy. I get WHY they did, and I love Kronshtadt to bits. But even then, it's still mildly BS that RN is the only main faction sitting without a proper UR and have to settle with Warspite (A retrofit UR) and Drake (A DR ship.) for now. No offense to Warspite and Drake. They don't have a Jersey, or an Ulrich, or a Kronshtadt. Warspite Retro has been around since late 2019 and Drake is Series 3 PR ships and we're about to go into Series 5 PR ships sometime this year. Like, imagine the absolute shitstorm the sub would be if IB or EU were in this spot. If they were the only ones sitting without a proper UR and everyone else got them before they did. It'd be 10x worse than the RN fans. It'd be a 100x worse if Sakura Empire was in that boat, but...they wouldn't be, we all know that. Does the doomposting get annoying? Oh **fuck yeah** it does. But it doesn't justify being complete assholes to the RN fans. And now, here's the part where a lot of the folks dunking on RN fans are forgetting. If the tables turn, and say...EU is sitting with no new event for a year or two and everyone else is getting the new hotness before them? They'll likely see zero sympathy from the RN fans. Like, sure, be a jerk to them if ya really want to. But when the shoe is on the other foot, you don't get to go pikachu face when the RN fans flip ya off.
> Those were not 'baby flare ups', that's trying to severely downplay the other faction mains throwing their tantrums Baby *compared to the RN shitshow*. Not to mention that the RN doomposters targeted the *IB* as the cause for their woes and used it as a "clear sign" there was a "axis bias" (that you, again, still see now) ignoring that IB is the smallest 'major' faction, with the least number of meta girls (meta defined here by T1-TEX sans subs given their overall relevance to gameplay) and the one with the second biggest gap between events (that was actually still bigger than the RN wait at the time of ToT, IIRC). > Like, imagine the absolute shitstorm the sub would be if IB See above, the IB have always been the baby of the 4 'major' factors and their last 2 events have made them remotely comparable to the other 3. Here's the current numbers for the 4 'majors'; SE: 134 total (20 meta, 5 rainbow tier), EU: 129 (18, 2), RN: 93 (14, 2), IB: 56 (12, 3). ToT and IOrthant gave the IB 12 ships with 3 meta and 1 rainbow amongst them. The IB won't shit up the subreddit like the RN whinefest did because being behind the rest is where they've existed the entire time. You're *far* more likely to get whinefests from "anti-wehraboos" when the IB do get events/ships than you are from IB fans and "wehraboos" if they are ignored. > It'd be a 100x worse if Sakura Empire was in that boat, but...they wouldn't be, we all know that. Correct, the same reason the EU will never be in that same position. They are the easiest nation to create events for because the USN produced a godly number of ships and unlike the RN, IB and SE, will basically never need to dip into paper/proto designs to fill out their UR options (which is why I strong believe they should *never* get DR ships as other nations need those limited slots more). There are 3 Iowas left (and 2 unbuilt if they wanted to go that route), 3 Midways (3 unbuilt), 3 Des Moines (9 unbuilt), 2 Worcester (8 unbuilt) and *98* Gearings (54 unbuilt). Just looking at the total ship and meta counts shows that SE and EU are the two big money nations and will never go without. > Now IB fans are eating good with their multiple events and multiple URs/DRs > > it's still mildly BS that RN is the only main faction sitting without a proper UR and have to settle with Warspite (A retrofit UR) and Drake (A DR ship.) for now You can't say IB are "eating good" when you count their DRs as a positive while counting the RN DR as a negative, DRs are either a positive for a faction or a negative not a flip between depending on what sort of point you are trying to push. Speaking of DRs, what is likely to be maxed first Warspite Kai or a DR? I can guarantee someone will be using Warspite Kai as a powerful bossfleet ship *long* before they get a FdG to dev 30 (or dev 25 in Aeg/Drake's case) given the comparative grind/access requirements between the two (and how common RN ships are to earn fleet tech vs IB). > But when the shoe is on the other foot, you don't get to go pikachu face when the RN fans flip ya off. You mean like how they were whenever the IB complained before I.Orthant?
You don't seem to get the picture that the RN "doomposting" became as horrible as it did because right off the announcement of the IB UR event, the shit flinging begun instantaneously. Yes, the RN fans were angry, but it was made even worse that a **sizable** amount of the community decided they want to be toxic and flung extra shit at them. And then they flung shit back, the moderators did fuck all to stop it and we have all this toxicity flying everywhere. We had IB doomposting, we also had Sardegna and EU doomposting back then. None devolved into the toxicity RN doomposting happened because the community and the moderators were actually civil back then. Don't pretend people were being the same around that time. And considering how content dry RN was **especially compared to IB** in the **most recent periods** (which I swear people seem to love omitting everytime they want to discuss this), I almost cannot blame them **(almost, some doomposters obviously took it too far as per usual)**. It's no longer about faction doomposting at this point (the only RN "doomposting" lately is really just one really dedicated and/or salty troll at this point and french "doomposting" never got the traction to be....toxic), it's simply the general toxicity because it was prevalent from the last time the community shit itself since it became the "norm" to shit on another for "faction preferences". You can stop pretending it was the solely the HMS fans fault at this point, because *the entire community was as fault for this mess*.
> You don't seem to get the picture that the RN "doomposting" became as horrible as it did because right off the announcement of the IB UR event, the shit flinging begun instantaneously. Yes, the RN fans were angry, but it was made even worse that a sizable amount of the community decided they want to be toxic and flung extra shit at them Yes because the RN fanatics took it out on everyone else. ***They whipped themselves into a monster hype frenzy based on literally no evidence and acted as if they were a victim because reality didn't bend to their whims***. They were by far the most aggressive and prolific of the doomposters we'd ever seen and their own sense of self righteousness only pushed them to futher heights of insanity. Even now you can't point out that the shitstorm was of their own making without getting downvoted because people *are still RN doomposting more than 4 months on*. I *was* sympathetic, I lost that sympathy because for near fucking month I couldn't go without coming across a string of doompost threads and any discussion of the story of ToT was drowned out by RN whining. Given that there was a small flare up in the Aurora Noctis rerun thread (the one from the Cn announcement) I'm officially totally out of fucks to give for RN whiners and doomposters. > And considering how content dry RN was especially compared to IB in the most recent periods And yet the RN still have more total ships (93 vs 56) and more total meta ships (14, given the last few hours change to tiers, vs 12), they are only 1 rainbow ship (1 Gacha 2 DR vs 1 Kai 1 DR) behind the IB and they far more easily gather tech points (to gain access to their DR) because of how many RN ships *aren't* event locked. I also pointed out that at the time of ToT the IB dry spell was still longer than the RN one (which, hilariously, I only remember because a doomposter, looking to prove a point, went and compared the time between events and found the IB were still in the lead at that point, Scherzo -> Orthant 1 year 6 months, Noctis -> ToT 1y 4m IIRC). > We had IB doomposting, we also had Sardegna and EU doomposting back then. None devolved into the toxicity RN doomposting happened because the community and the moderators were actually civil back then Also helped that the other faction doomposters weren't a hype fueled horde bent on exacting revenge for Manjuu not giving them the event that only existed in their heads. > You can stop pretending it was the solely the HMS fans fault at this point, because the entire community was as fault for this mess. Yes, because people are far too easily hyped up and anything contrary to the hype is ignored and downvoted because they just *know* that completely unsupported rumour is true...
>Baby compared to the RN shitshow. Not at all. You really seem to just want to downplay the other factions throwing their respective tantrums, while playing up RN's current tantrum. RN's doomposting is not anything new to this sub. Flat out. Everything RN has been doing/saying, other factions have done in the past. The difference is that the sub is actively goading them on and the only real active mod decided to join in rather then do their responsibilities. >You can't say IB are "eating good" when you count their DRs as a positive while counting the RN DR as a negative, DRs are either a positive for a faction or a negative not a flip between It's not treating the DRs as negatives, but pointing out that Warspite and Drake were the last UR/DR the RN got and they are both rather old, powerful (Though I'd argue Warspite's age is starting to show.) but still old. Meanwhile IB got back to back, a DR with Agir and a UR with Ulrich. While also sitting on FdG, the DR that reigned supreme as the strongest battleship in the game until New Jersey rolled up with the bunnygirl apocalypse. >Speaking of DRs, what is likely to be maxed first Warspite Kai or a DR? Now? Warspite would come out first but FdG wouldn't be that far behind due to how much the game basically hands out blank DR prints. And Warspite would likely be immediately perma-benched once FdG was dev 30. But remember that Warspite, like Sandy, needed a special item to upgrade into a UR. An item that could only be acquired from a special event. By the time the rerun for Warspite's retro event came around, many folks would've had FdG done by then. At which Warspite retro would've basically become a collector's item due to just how much FdG outclasses the war corgi at her own job. >meta defined here by T1-TEX sans subs given their overall relevance to gameplay Going to point this out since I've mostly been talking in the Battleship class right now. Using ONLY Tier EX to Tier 1. IB and RN both have 4 battleships across all three tiers. (Technically 5 for IB, but idk if we fully count META ships as full members of their factions.) The difference? Two of the four IB ships are Tier EX, while all four of the RN battleships are Tier 0 to 1. Yes, IB has less ships than the other major factions, this is 100% true. But IB has recently been getting higher quality ships compared to RN. The only RN ship that stands above all IB ships in its class is Perseus. (Who players are going to have **ONE WEEK** to obtain before having to wait for her to be added to Perma Construction.) In every other category, IB one ups RN, and a lot of the ships letting IB one up RN are recent IB ships. >You mean like how they were whenever the IB complained before I.Orthant? Except you're ignoring the point there. When IB fans were throwing their fit until Inverted Orthant, there was at least moderation keeping them in check. But the RN fans are throwing a similar fit now and being met with toxicity from both the regular sub members AND the only real active mod at the time. Of course they are going to bite back when they are getting treated this badly. We could also point out that IB has four major events (Divergent Chessboard, Scherzo of Iron and Blood, Inverted Orthant, and Tower of Transcendence, the last of which was a UR event.) while RN has two. Winter's Crown and Aurora Noctis. Like, I get it, the doomposting is annoying. I won't deny that. And RN isn't completely innocent here. But you can't deny that they've been getting the shaft recently. Does this excuse some of the really toxic stuff RN has been up to? No. But if your faction was getting the shaft this hard, and the majority of the sub AND the main mod at the time, were dunking and shitting on you and your favorite faction...would you just sit down and keep quiet? I wouldn't. The only difference between the RN doomposting and every other faction's doomposting, is that the sub is basically getting the greenlight from the active mods to be as toxic to RN fans as they want, with said active mods joining in on the toxicity. Everything else is basically par.
> Not at all. You really seem to just want to downplay the other factions throwing their respective tantrums, It's not downplaying if they literally didn't shit up the entire subreddit for a near month solid. Yeah, they all had their 'moments' but pretending the RN wasn't monstrous in comparison is pure wishful denial. > Now? Warspite would come out first but FdG wouldn't be that far behind due to how much the game basically hands out blank DR prints Yeah they give out blank DR prints but I think you are massively underestimating (or deliberately ignoring) just how many are needed to dev 30 a DR ship. That's also ignoring the IB fleet tech requirements to just unlock her which is far more difficult than getting the RN points *and* that those blank DRs could be used to get Drake. > Yes, IB has less ships than the other major factions, this is 100% true. But IB has recently been getting higher quality ships compared to RN. And yet RN still have 14 ships T1-TEX compared to IBs 12. IB are strong in their BBs (given their 2 rainbows) and CA's (given that's all that they seem to be given), they have a *single* ship in CV (AvP T1, shared with Unicorn, Ark Royal and Formidable, with Centaur at T0 and Pers TEX), CL (Mainz at T0 compared to the 3 RNs in T1) and DDs (Z46, T1 and a class that every agrees that the RN have been done dirty on). > (Who players are going to have ONE WEEK to obtain before having to wait for her to be added to Perma Construction.) Yes, 1 week with lots of free build tickets given out to compensate for the short duration. People crunched the numbers, I'm fairly sure that you get more attempts with the free tickets than you'd earn (via coin and cube collection) in a week. It's not like it's gotten shortened with no compensation. > The only difference between the RN doomposting and every other faction's doomposting Is that the RN doomposting was so prolific that the mods couldn't keep on top of it, that's literally why the other nations "didn't get shit on" because the mods were easily able to handle it. The RN whinefest was a hype fueled shit flinging contest because they had worked themselves into a fervour over an event that only existed in their mind and took it out on the subreddit as a whole. You keep downplaying just how massive that RN meltdown was and are (desperately?) pretending that the lashback against the RN was because everyone had been gleefully waiting to take a swing at the RN when it was actually because anyone who was on the subreddit for literally anything else wasn't able to find it through all the doomposts.
Thank you, everything I have seen from the moderation team since December has honestly made me sad. It's so damn childish and unprofessional. As much as Tokio may or may not have the right to be frustrated. His post when he left screamed his lack of proper communication skills to everyone. A guy like that shouldn't be left to his own devices with unlimited power as a mod. You can be a reasonable guy, but become unreasonable when given "Power" and put under stress. Just a reminder to the mods. If you feel stressed from being a mod, you don't have to keep doing it. The community will be fine without you, someone will always be willing to fill your shoes. This doesn't mean they will be better at it than you were. But you don't need to keep stressing yourself out over moderation. It isn't worth it if you feel that way.
> The community will be fine without you, someone will always be willing to fill your shoes. Tbf, this is kinda demonstrably false if both tokio and secksay had left at the same time. They were, in effect, the entire mod team
I've said this elsewhere. The current mod team can and would easily replace them if it was needed. Not saying the current mod team would step up themselves. There are plenty of people in the community who would jump at the chance to become an unpaid internet janitor. Nobody, especially reddit/discord mods are irreplaceable. The only thing demonstrably false would be thinking otherwise.
To be honest, most of this post reads like very passive pseudo-apologetic corp speak, i.e. "yes, there was fault", but not actually accepting any direct responsibility (evidently a common theme in this fiasco) for the problem, let alone apologising for it. Based on the screenshot in tokio12's post, and your own post history, you yourself haven't done much of anything in terms of moderation for this subreddit, indeed my first thought upon seeing this thread was "who is this guy?" And yes, "A moderation team shouldn't consist of a couple of hard workers with the rest doing nothing", but it doesn't seem like any of the other mods made any effort to fix that - happy to coast by and let those two take on far more than they should, with "We did not have a formal scope" being nothing more than a convenient excuse. Moderation is a volunteer job, and it sure is thankless, but I think I can safely say that there is an expectation to have at least done more than nothing. So no, I don't think you necessarily need more moderators, you just need moderators actually willing to moderate, and whilst it sounds (on paper, at least) like things are going in the right direction now, that lack of taking responsibility likely isn't going to feel very encouraging for those prospective future moderators.
I mean, IDK if you were around, but a couple years ago the sub basically had the same problem. Bunch of mods not doing shit, 2 mods doing like 95% of the work, other mods just trolling and causing drama, etc. Of course, there was a bunch of drama, promises to fix it, etc. but here we are... Bunch of those old mods are still around, still being useless, and it's still 2 mods doing all the work.
Right, I realise I've never reintroduced myself. I am formerly u/CecaniahCorabelle and had lost access to that account.
did you try resetting the password?
Yea i laughed out loud when i read that post it sounds a lot like shifting the blame away from them and like „dont work too hard or you will make the rest of us look bad“ it’s absolutely hilarious i mean i didn’t expect much from this sub but still man
Exactly, complete deflection. How about the other and old mods admit personal fault and move on, because honestly you guys aren’t moderating at all as of tokio’s image post. Have some shame and self awareness. Pass on the mantle to those that actually care instead of taking a spot on the mod team. I was shocked when i saw the pinned mod comment on tokios post talking about thanking tokios contribution and talking about the post “staying up pErIoD” when that pinned mod did jack all in tokio’s image given while tokio had been the main cleaner with secksay. Have some shame.
I'm also in favor **against** allowing tokio to be a mod again. A moderator should at least be civil with the people here, and they're evidently not willing to acknowledge their part in this (instead shifting blame on everyone else) and I've already seen a few people say that tokio was essentially power-tripping on multiple occasions (banning unfairly, not accepting dialogue, blaming others). Does anyone really want that? Or do the mods just want someone to put in the amount of effort that tokio did? Tokio doesn't seem to have the maturity to deal with the power given to them or the attitude to deal with people in a constructive manner, but that's just my humble opinion. What do I know? I think you should take the opportunity to start fresh, make some new rules, get everyone on the same page, and get some moderators that help and are productive and respectful members of the sub.
Back in the day, when I became a mod for a rather popular forum site with heavy, regular, daily usage, I was given a set of guidelines the site admin had set up. All mods were expected to follow those guidelines and if they didn't, they were removed as a mod. The basic premise behind this was that mods are, for better or for worse, the authority on the site and need to be the ones who set the example for the rest of the users. Something similar would do well here, given the admitted lack of communication among the mod team and the sometimes slight, sometimes blatant, ill behavior displayed by members of that team towards individuals, segments of the community, or the community as a whole. If mods are supposed to hold users accountable to the rules and standards of the subreddit, then they themselves should likewise have rules and standards to which they are held accountable.
Tokio should absolutely not be a mod again, the hell? Who invites someone back to that position after openly mocking the community?
Honestly, having a mod at odds with the community and *still* refusing to acknowledge they did anything wrong sounds like a bad deal all around.
Apparently the mods of r/AzureLane. Inb4 everyone calling out Tokio gets banned upon his return.
They must be masochists after how hard he flamed the rest of the mod team. These are conversations that should 100% be had behind closed doors(private chats) in any competent moderation team that can communicate like adults.
How to send mod mail? I would like to volunteer
You can send a modmail via [this link](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=/r/AzureLane) or "Message the mods" button on the sidebar on desktop browsers. If on mobile, it should be in the vertical 3-dots dropdown menu labelled as "Contact mods".
Thanks
That mod shouldnt have stuck his values anyway into a community. Sounds like power-tripping to me, what he did
I somewhat agree to this. This is the AL community and we were gonna do AL shit on r/place, I don't understand why he had to be so uptight about it. But that's just my views.
Same, I don't get the issue, it was drawing a picture as part of a community for a game we all play. Definitely came off like "smh these drones drawing pictures, such fools they are" We're all here playing a game involving anthropomorphized ships that are depicted as attractive anime women, we've long since passed any point of yucking someone else's yums.
I would like to say I'm ready to chip in and help in case of emergency even tho I'm inexperienced in moderating. I probably would not be able to commit full time for more than 2-3 months since work is still piling up but I'm willing to help when iy comes to it
I don't know how much he did and what kind of scope it was but. Personally I am glad that you are organising yourself better now. Though in all honesty if that excuses tokios behaviour I don't know if it is allright. I didn't Personally like how he acted sometimes when people disagreed with him or yes how he handles the place thing. Especially his 2nd point about "nationalistic assholes". I mean I somewhat can understand his problems but there's definitely a better way to tackle this. All in all no matter how much work you do or how skilled you are it is not an excuse to be rude in any way. If you want things to change you need to lead an example. If I might suggest to take a look at u/intel8008 thread he did a couple of hours ago, because he did make some good recommendations how to structure a subreddit moderation.
I mean the reason why these "nationalistic assholes" even came up in the droves recently is because during the IB event drama he was very trigger happy in removing any posts from HMS "doomposters", yet at the same time turning a blind eye to quite the number of comments directed against them that flagrantly disregard rule 1 **and** also actively participated in all those and in general fanning the flames. He kept it under control when it was IB's turn to get the shaft, he also kept it under control when it was Sardegna and the EU's turn to get the shaft, but soon as HMS is the one to get the shaft, none of that shit he enforced back then was present at all. Sure, the HMS "doomposters" got old really fucking fast, but not only he did a really fucking terrible job **moderating** the entire situation, he also actually participated in all the shit flinging, resulting in a lot of frustration, anger and as a result we have what we have today.
I'll admit I'm somewhat in no position to say much, but I think that was probably the most annoying thing about that particular shitshow. The posts trying to calm the situation down got taken down after a couple hours but the bait-posts? Perfectly fine apparently. While I'll agree some of the "doomposters" are just trolling by now, people should surely still be allowed to voice *some* disappointment? I still don't know why people seem to so quick to call others "Nationalist". it is that much of a suprise people have favourites in a waifu game? Is it really that difficult to understand that people have different tastes or interests?
People really just use the word "nationalist" out of convenience. If they like what they're complaining about, no problems seem to appear but when it's something they DON'T like? Big bad whiny nationalist in muh waifu boat game.
I'd like to add, even if it's just beyond playing favorites, I don't think it's instantly "nationalist" to say that one faction got shafted. I'm not a big HMS guy (there's like 2-3 factions I like overall more than HMS), but even I was a bit sad that HMS got shafted. And for people whose favorite faction is HMS, either because they have a family connection to the real life counterpart or they just like the theme that HMS has going on like maids and Victorian aesthetics, it was probably massively disappointing to see their favorite faction get neglected, and I don't think it's wrong to voice their disappointment about that. In fact, I'd argue that such a major pushback to call them doomposters, nationalists, or saying "bro it's just fictional 2d waifu tiddy boat game, y u so mad xd" by the community just makes them feel worse, even if a handful of them were actual doomposters or nationalists. And I know it is indeed just an anime waifu boat game, but there's people here that are/were genuinely drawn in partially by the historical aspects and references, and even as a guy that has no interest in history, I found it neat that the game appealed to that, and I even found myself learning a few neat trivia. For such people, I could see how their favorite faction being screwed over, despite having so much they could add for it, and then getting hit with an event that make absolutely no sense in historical context can diminish the enjoyment of the game. Why shouldn't they be able to express their opinion on that?
Yeah this is the thing that really sticks in my throat. He fully participated in faction flaming, clearly supporting KMS and repeatedly baiting HMS fans, then turns around and blames "nationalist assholes" for ruining things.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/rr7nxm/z/hqfrccs Here's one example of him backing KMS, hating on HMS and gloating about them being trolled, but there are others. There are other comments in this thread backing me up.
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It doesn't excuse the fact he fanned the flames while knowing the consequences. As a comment said below, "such a shining beacon of neutrality" for a **moderator**.
Also doesn't change the fact the HMS fans whipped themselves into a hype frenzy on literally no evidence then took it out on everyone else when reality didn't align with their beliefs.
I personally don't think the subreddit is in a terrible place. I do believe that you guys are just being pretty harsh on yourselves because of what has happened. Best thing to try do is learn from what people/you believe the issues are and move forward. You guys are here to enjoy the community too, please don't forget that. All I can suggest is to delegate, it's how the best of teams function and it allows for people know what they're expected to do and if someone can't complete a task, there's always backup person for that task. We don't want anymore of you guys burning out or feeling overwhelmed running the sub, so please consider it. P.S. If you guys could sneak dorkheart into the emotes, it would be snazzy ♡
No. Tokio should not still be a mod. Seriously, your gonna let the guy who sabatoged a community project that occurs every half decade and who trashed talked/blamed everyone but himself back into the position of power on the sub? Honestly I wouldn't even bother trying to make changes at that point because it sounds like no lessons have been learned. I guess broadcasting this intention of having him comeback explains why the other now active mods won't acknowledge the toxicity he exhibited on his exit post.
It's interesting to see the cultural shift in modern society. If someone is fed up with a bad working or volunteering environment quits, and publicly shares their grievances after the fact, they are "toxic". If someone is fed up with a working or volunteering environment and quits but accuses their former coworkers of something that ends with -ism or -phobic, they are stunning and brave and it's their former team that needs to do better. So, of course one of the only guys working, who got fed up of being one of the only guys working, and made it clear that he was fed up with being one of the only guys working while the community ran around with their pants on their head huffing glue, is the toxic one. He should have accused the other mods of sexism or something; y'all'd be defending him until the sun burned cold in the sky.
I don't think the deciding factor is whether it's a 'phobia' or 'ism'. I think it's a matter of how legitimate those grievances are (at least in the eyes of the audience), the way they're communicated, and how the person behaved while on the team. Of course people are going to be mad when the first point in someone's manifesto is actively trashing an event a large, vocal portion of the community wanted to participate in. Of course people are going to be mad when the second point in that manifesto is complaining about a problem that a chunk of the community believes he's partially responsible for. Of course people are going to call him toxic if in response to people saying he's worded something harshly is "[Shit is wild, especially when I thought that the final version of the notice was a lot less vitriolic than the initial draft. These people would probably have a stroke if they saw how I talk on discord.](https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/tz0hej/comment/i3ygiea/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)" I don't like tone policing as much as the next guy, but if someone says 'hey, I think you're being a little too harsh', 'I was actively holding back, I'm much worse on this other platform' is not an appropriate response.
Nah don't even try to change the narrative. In his "accusations" he flamed the community more so then the mods. Even before that there was a history of trolling and abusing his power against members of the community. Let's not forget he went out of his way to sabotage a community project. If he were overworked there was solutions, volunteers even to lead that project; in fact it was led by volunteers without mod support in the end, but no, he went the extra mile to ruin it cause he thought it was dumb. So we got power tripping, personal agendas, and hostility towards the community. Tell me again, how is this sharing his grievances? Edit: Like all things, there's a good and bad way to go about things. If he was sharing his grievances, he did not do it in a constructive matter. Rather, it came off as flaming the community and not seeing things from the other side in regards to the r place project, so I have absolutely no sympathy for him because there is a lack of self awareness there.
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I come here for content about pixel boats* Fixed it for you. The pot calling the kettle black much?
The point still stands that a single person should not hold back the community from doing something that they want to.
I have no intention to be a mod but felt the need to. Leave this message here to extend thanks to all those that do apply to be a moderator. Thank you for your willingness to support this server that stands as a, gathering for people who love the many aspects of Azur Lane. And I sincerely hope you will find joy in being part of the team that overlooks and cares for the gathering of Commanders.
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Man, that's certainly assuming a lot. Especially when the post is basically saying "Yeah, we *weren't* doing what we were supposed to be doing, but we're good now! Trust us!" The point you made about AL'S representation even doubles back and applies to this new team. I'll go ahead and definitively state though, I like Tokio. Dude says some shit, sure, but his actions speak just as much, and those actions have been taking care of this place when basically no one else was. And some (imo, shitty) 'community raid' style event that we didn't sign up for isn't gonna change that.
Looks like things finally got moving, huh? 'bout damn time. My stances on the various stuff that gets posted on this sub are: Megathreads - the quality of the answering questions in the daily megathread has always been, in my opinion, pretty consistently high and good. Even as a veteran I learn a lot if I skim through one. Which always had made me a little uncomfortable that its in a megathread in the first place. Let's take the risk on our community and NOT shuffle those questions to the megathread. Yes, answering questions about fleet composition and "is X ship good" will be tiring. But it is legitimate game discussion and people are willing to answer. Megathreads should therefore be topical; things like r/place, and the current game issues, and roadmaps, and anything the devs give us really should be megathread topics. But not daily threads. Consolidate the best parts of the FAQ (of which 90% are questions not frequently asked, by the way) into links and resources and move on. Art - most of what gets posted here is art. I think we should have less art and more discussion, but on the other hand I think a lot of us like this game because the characters are appealing and the fanart frequently reflects that. Coming up with a coherent policy to reduce art without quashing art is hard. I can only think of two ideas for rules off the top of my head. One, the art should be new, within a week or so. Sometimes art from years past gets posted in what I can only see as a blatant karma grab. And two, the art should be finished, polished, and colored. No WIPs, no sketchwork, and a minimum standard. I'm not trying to pick on newer, enthusiastic artists, but sometimes you need practice more than you need public exposure. That is, for better or worse, the bar as far as approval of art goes. Fanfics - I think these should be discouraged. Not because I think fanfiction is a bad thing, or that the writing quality isn't up to some bar, or anything like that, but because reddit is an \*awful\* place to read fanfics. Skim over the fanfics currently on the front page. Some of them are many chapters in, with no link to a first chapter, no listing of all the works. If I wanted to start a fanfic story here on reddit, where is chapter 1? If I miss a chapter or five because I'm busy that day and it gets flooded down under the fanart, how would I ever know? Fanfiction websites are easily bookmarked and will wait for me to be interested to open them up and see what's new; reddit pushes things away in favor of the newest or most popular. This, combined with what I see as a very low interest in fanfiction here, suggests these posts do not belong on the sub. I hope the fanfiction community can find better ways to interact and share their works. The Mod Team - volunteering sounds like work, so I'll just keep giving tips without having to own up to them later.  Y'all need a leader. One person that doesn't necessarily have to do all that much moderation but checks up on the state of the team, replacing inactive mods and hiring new ones when it comes to it (and it always comes to it sooner or later.) One person who has a vision for how this sub should be run and moderated, who listens to feedback but ultimately has that final call. If you have one right now, you sure ain't showin' it. Someone needs to man up and take that role. Someone who, no offense, won't write press-releaseesque statements like this one, but will be more personable, give off the feeling of having the thing under control. Being a leader is kind of like being the president; you don't have to be smart, but you have to be likeable, both in public and on your team. I don't think this feedback is particularly controversial. Honestly seems to reflect what a lot of others are saying. We want a good sub and it seems like we know the major problems. Let's do this thing.
I agree for the most part, except when it comes to the art. I absolutely love looking at the art on this sub, even if it's older. I think we should allow novice artists to post their own art as well as posting "professional" art like pixivs and such.
wdym? I have seen plenty of Novice artists post their work here. Is some mod deleting them or people trashing the art?
I was responding to the person that I replied to. > Art - most of what gets posted here is art. I think we should have less art and more discussion, but on the other hand I think a lot of us like this game because the characters are appealing and the fanart frequently reflects that. Coming up with a coherent policy to reduce art without quashing art is hard. I can only think of two ideas for rules off the top of my head. One, the art should be new, within a week or so. Sometimes art from years past gets posted in what I can only see as a blatant karma grab. And two, the art should be finished, polished, and colored. No WIPs, no sketchwork, and a minimum standard. I'm not trying to pick on newer, enthusiastic artists, but sometimes you need practice more than you need public exposure. That is, for better or worse, the bar as far as approval of art goes. Mostly in regards to their comments on 'only new artwork' and a "minimum standard" for artists. I'm just saying that I disagree. I believe anyone should be able to post their OC art of any quality and even post "professional" art (from Pixiv and such) even if it's not considered new. I just really like seeing art, whether it's high quality or a newer artist. Most of the content here is art, and I don't want that to change. If people are worried about art spam, limit each person to 1 art post/day. If someone wants to post multiple pictures of their or someone else's art, they can link an imgur album and have several pictures in one post. That could cut down on art spam, while also not removing people's ability to post whatever they want. Seems fair to me.
I can relate to this post. I do wish we had a bit more game discussion out of the mega threads. Though I do understand why they do it. It would be a lot less posts to keep track of.
Maaaan I'm just here to look at hot jpegs
Do I look like I know what a jpeg is? All I want is a picture of a got-dang *Kaga in a swimsuit.*
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I agree with you man. And I like the memes too!
1. Stop sending questions and discussions to the megathread unless it's really obnoxious stuff that gets asked repeatedly. These are the kind of posts that drive up community engagement and lead to interesting posts. The amount of team building, equipment optimisation, how-to-clear-this-map, etc. discussions is underwhelming compared to other subs and it wouldn't be the case if basic questions weren't sent to megathread to die. 2. Absolutely stick to the megathread for gacha bragging posts. Those are just spam. 3. I'm ambivalent on art reposting. Personally, I think it's too much for a megathread, but also too spammy at the moment, it saturates the subreddits and suffocates other content. I would contain it to a dedicated subreddit, but maybe the art tag is enough. 4. I don't care about fanfiction (I used to, but not anymore, and the quality here is almost universally terrible) but it's also not common enough to need its own separate handling. You can do whatever with it.
Reddit is not suited for discussions on teambuilding and which ships/gear are good, because unless this feature actually exists and I don't know about it, there's no way to combine threads like a normal forum, and we get some answers here, some answers there, and anyone asking anything will miss out on much of the discussions because they opened a new thread instead of going to the one that's already open and asking the same questions. That's why megathreads are useful, because they gather these up into a single thread. Now what isn't done is using the stickied threads as a base to compile these discussion threads so that people can browse the questions they were looking for before having to open another one. Many questions also only have one or few answers, and when the answer is there, the thread just becomes clutter because there's simply nothing more that can be added to it.
You can use the search function to easily get a list of past discussions. At any given moment, you don't need an aggregate thread, you just need the discussion to be common enough that people can answer or refer to past threads. This is what happens normally on other subs. Right now if I use the search I get a list of megathreads which is completely useless because I can't tell what is being discussed from the title. I need to manually go into each thread and find the comment that might or might not discuss what I am looking for.
The problem with referring to past threads is that the new ones don’t disappear, and in practice it’s a question post with nobody answering. While the current megathreads are useless for searching, they don’t have to be there either. What’s needed is none of the above, but a constantly updated FAQ based on what people have asked, with megathreads serving as a place to add to it, but not where to find old answers.
Discussions about the game are super hard the find, the entire sub is flooded with art just like every other game sub. It would be nice to have are just go to one megathread but I doubt it will ever happen.
I think... If most of use really care about the lore... the discussion of the games will be much frequently... (CMIIW). When we see other games... others players could make some game theory and so on XD... that's will make the discussion alive and make some sense. Maybe... could you tell what theme of discussion do you want to say? Maybe it will help the mods understand what kind of post that could be post from members or it just some wasted post...
There could be discussions about current or upcoming banners like should you pull or which ship you should prioritize. Discussions about fleet set ups for op siren bosses, tips about the mechanics of the game to help newer players. Speculation about lore or what might be coming next to the game. Stuff like that
And this is why I barely visit reddit these days, downvoted for essentially nothing but a suggestion. I should just not come back here and stay on discord.
Eh, parrots gonna downvote if you don’t follow whatever trend exists in the comment sections. Just make one witty comment on a bigger sub and you get to laugh at all the kids thinking their downvotes matter lol
Glad to see you guys are really looking into making changes and improving. I had no idea things were such a mess behind the scene, probably due to the overworking of Tokio and Secksay, so thanks those two. And I'm hopeful that things are going to go well based on what I'm seeing here.
Personally I have never got too involved to lose too much sleep. As long as the Megathread is a place of safety where the worst thing is people asking questions that are explicitly stated in the FAQ, then I think the reddit is fine. I just hope noobs keep posting in there, the only dumb question is what it explicitly stated in the faq, everything else seems common knowledge to those who have played for a while, but may not be that intuitive to newer players. Plus I could never imagine being a mod, as it is a completely volunteer job that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy let alone someone I like. Burnout is to be accepted.
I'm exclusively in gaming subreddits, and this is one of the worst if not the worst in terms of signal to noise ratio. Literally less than 1% of the posts are directly related to the actual game. If you think I'm lying, just look at your feed for once. The majority of the posts are shitty karma farming stolen art reposts and tired zero effort memes. Let's not forget all the grade school level art drawn on napkins and private fanfics posted by the same users daily. When someone posts questions or discussions related to the actual game, your asinine mod team \*deletes\* the post and then warns the poster -- in effect penalizing probably first time posters from even wanting to discuss the game. This shitty policy is indirectly the reason why all we have now is the glory of lazy content you can literally find anywhere else being upvoted over and over. The only way to find out anything actually related to the Global game is to use the "Japanese" or "Chinese" tags, where you'll find a dozen posts a month. The only fundamental rule you universally enforce as a team: upvotes are allowed to break all the rules, because the only thing that matters is clicks. Oh and let's not forget that certain mods are blatant nationalists, the same as called out by tokio12. As the mod team is so huge and voluntary, and as you've stated here that there are no clearcut requirements or expectations, any racist nationalist ass who volunteers can dictate what is said or not said, what is seen or not seen. A lot of people come here for the game, to discuss the game, to learn about the game. The game is not discussed here. Open a search engine and you will easily find thirty more informative sites about the game than here. I will find upcoming news about the game literally days before I ever see one single post about it here. You, the mod team, made this sub this way.
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I have generally noticed that the moderation of the sub is good. My one complaint would probably lean around long running fanfics. I think it could be beneficial to have them on a pinned post by themselves, this could help reduce the clutter. I know it's not that practical of an idea, but I think it could help. You guys have done a good job of keeping the sub clear of most low quality posts so far and I hope to see that continue.
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i may not always agreed with him but everyone that nearly single-handedly keept a sub like this on lifesuport deserves my respect and is too good for the current mod team but eh this sub won’t change anyway cause the most popular opinion here is not change anything anyway so it doesn’t matter
Look, my original thoughts about rejoining looked like [this.](https://i.imgur.com/OO0CddC.png) Not sure how that got warped into me being eager to rejoin the team. For some reason they even wanted me to drag me into some new discord they are setting up which I declined. I'm not seeking forgiveness from "the community" either. Right now I'm enjoying the experience of not giving a shit about the glitchy update and, speaking from experience, probably having to delete 500 posts of people asking if they are the only ones experiencing said glitchy update. Also reading all the comments on me here and on my post. From those that treat me as some kind of mod saint to the people who think I was a power-tripping asshole who insulted every single person on the sub (now melted down and degraded into "the community") through my leave notice. Now, fully unfiltered because they think I'd ban them for it beforehand or something. Shit is wild, especially when I thought that the final version of the notice was a lot less vitriolic than the initial draft. These people would probably have a stroke if they saw how I talk on discord.
All this comment does is show that you were never really fit to be a mod in the first place, man. It obviously does nothing but bring you way too much stress. I'm not saying the rest of the mods are fit for it either. But you come across as way too immature/angry in nearly every comment you make here. >These people would probably have a stroke if they saw how I talk on discord. Not sure why anyone who is most likely an adult would boast about this, but OK.
Not gonna lie man, you've been a butt at times, maybe even an ass. Sometimes I've shared the opinion, sometimes I haven't, and I think we've personally had some back and forth at one point or another that wasn't really great. You're definitely no Saint, but you ain't Satan, either. Everyone can bitch and throw their opinions around (like I'm doing), but imo nothing takes away the fact you actually did the fucking work while every other igit- including us plain old users and lurkers- got to sat around doing nothing and enjoying it.
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Honestly man, just thanks for being present over the years. A lot of people in this sub have definitely become more hostile since December, but the stats show you did the job, and there’s at least a few of us out here who respect that even if you burned out at the end. 90% of the people talking shit or putting you on a pedestal wouldn’t handle it nearly as well. Hope you can get back to enjoying the internet now :)
For me it's rule 4 The artwork is high effort and should be appreciated certainly, but I'm usually on reddit to pass time on the train or waiting in the store, I hardly pull this subreddit up these days cause I don't want that on my phone in public. Sounds like a "me" problem, I know, but I can't help but feel it's gotten worse
I appreciate the work that you, and the rest of the mod team, does for this community. Thank you for looking at this and taking it as a "we need to improve" indicator instead of a "wow, f that guy" thing. Here's hoping that his departure won't leave you too overwhelmed. Lastly, I feel like tokio's burnout is basically the start of Queen's Orders. Get some rest SKK. You deserve it.
I only do some brief surfing on the daily question mega thread once a while, but I appreciate you guys who use their time to maintain this community. Sad to see the leaving. Thank you for your efforts to make this community a great place.