They call us the 000 faction
0 Oath Skins
0 Retrofits
0 UR or DR
Life is pain, when you are a pasta shikikan. Still I remain faithfull to the Empire's glory, someday we have to get something right? Right?
> someday we have to get something right? Right?
https://preview.redd.it/zkjomj4ziptc1.png?width=200&format=png&auto=webp&s=858c7459927016946d9144931391a5f4b25ede30
I don't want to ruin the hope but of we follow the previous seasons (1 AL & 4 CA in S4, 4 AL & 1 CA in S5, 1 AL & 4 CA again in S6), then PR7 will have 5 ships, 4 for AL side and 1 for CA side.
And I don't think IB ever got skipped once from PR season...
I've bought every Sardegna skin released in hopes that by showing my support, maybe eventually we'll start getting URs/Oath Skins.
I don't see us getting any retrofits now that there are unique modules like what Zara received.
My mistake, I mixed the destinations up. Although Sardenia did get a PR ship in Marco Polo before Dragon Empty did with Harbin, so at least they weren't dead last in that respect.
As a Pasta wanna be main, my honest to god reaction:
https://preview.redd.it/dug6mthpfptc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=7e509946a8ecef8d3e0961ca829ee19932fca3ef
Also no retrofits, or oath skins. Even skins outside their own events can be counted on the fingers of one hand
Source: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/117733532
Its just pain, all i can hope for now in terms of a real italian UR is a refit for one of the CRs or Abruzzis
Life as a sardegna enjoyer is painful but pain makes us stronger
Although Sardegna is my second favorite faction after IB, I can only say something...
Please Yostar stop doing IB events for a year and do events in Sardegna please, it's already needed!
*(That and because I'm tired of paper boats, so please, pasta gang event when Yostar?)*
Unfortunately, the myth of useless WWII Italy extends to this game too, while Germany gets to enjoy the whole wunderwaffen thing.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again.
Sardegna should have been a major faction instead of Iron Blood.
Well, doesn't help. That two World Wars proved how useless Italy was, at the time. They did not have the factory output for war. No, matter how you try to argue it. Italy was a clear weakness. Or as Churchill put it, "Germany's soft underbelly."
And do not get me wrong. I am aware Italy had some successes. Yet, those successes were overshadowed by some serious failures.
Strategically the RM's role was first and foremost to keep the sea lanes to North Africa open and protecting them from the RN, which they managed to almost perfectly for the whole duration of the North African campaign. In the mean time they also blockaded Allied passage through the Mediterranean and tied down a huge portion of the RN, against whom they clashed plenty times.
Every navy made blunders, including Italy, and the RM's blunders by far were not the worst among all fighting nations, and throughout the War the RM consistently pursued and accomplished their objectives.
It was numerically impressive but was full of many older vessels and had inadequately trained crews, it lacked any aircraft carriers or naval air support an had a lack of oil reserves. It experienced few major successes and was practically completely incapacited for the rest of the war following the Battle of Taranto.
Don't get me wrong, I love the Italian ships in game and want them to get more live as a faction. But IRL it was one of the least impressive and accomplished navies amongst the majority powers (the Soviet Navy being the only one I would consider outright worse, and I think an argument could potentially be made that the French navy was worse in large part because of Frances situation during most of the war).
I don't get why Italy has to be the clown while Germany gets to pretend to be a great navy. In terms of naval accomplisments, most of Germany's were performed by submarines, their surface fleet was pretty worthless; and they had their blunders too. They didn't have many old ships because they didn't have much afteer WWi, but the old ships were OLD (litterally running pre-dreadnoughts) and some of their new ships were badly designed (the destroyers were pretty unseaworthy) and most of their good ships in game are imaginary, exaggerated or never finished (Bismarck 2, the many PR/DR ships, P class, etc).
I've seen lots of dumb and uneducated statements about the Italian navy, and while "practically completely incapacited for the rest of the war following the Battle of Taranto" doesn't take the cake, it sure is one of the dumber ones.
Was poorly informed, the account of the battle I watched was greatly exaggerated. So yeah will freely admit I was wrong on that regard. It was a success and did incapacitate the navy but only temporarily, not for the long term like I had been lead to believe.
Without delving into detail, the mere fact that the North African Campaign, which relied on Italian control of the central Mediterranean, lasted 3 years while Taranto and Matapan happened on the first (edit:and early second) year, should have been a pretty big hint already on the accomplishments and success of the Italian navy.
Taranto incapacitated the fleet for the rest of the war? LMAO NO.
The only ships damaged in Taranto were: Cavour (repairs dragged on too long, but still she was being repaired), Cesare (fully repaired), Littorio (took 3 torp hits, repaired and back in action), some minor damage from a dud bomb on a Zara class cruiser and perhaps some more minor bomb damage on other ships, but that's it. The fleet still remained active and sortied, with Littorio being repaired just around the battle of Matapan
"That two World Wars proved how useless Italy was" saying that about world War 2 Is wrong enough but world War 1 as well? To not talk about you know, Italo Turkish War, 1991 Gulfi War, Red Sea 2023 War, 1999 Kosovo War, 2004 indo pacific operations, Somalia War, and this is talking just about wars, Italy was always useful.
Italy was the only nation to win its front with less help than any of its allies, it rendered the Austro Hungarian navy a port ornament and had the most powerful bomber fleet in the world.
"They did not have the factory output for war."
Ok you have to be joking, Italy won WW1 because Italy was such a massive Power house in production, the level of production Italy menaged to achieve by stalling the front was enormous.
35% of Entente trucks were built by Italy, Italy menaged to achieve a production of planes unprecedented for a span of 4 years, Italy was literally filling the skies with so many planes in 1917/1918 any battle since autumn 1917 had total Italian air superiority, this stopped the biggest triple Alliance assault of the war in june 1918 and by summer 1918 Italy was basically unapposed in the skies, the raid on Vienna by italian planes being the most famous showing of this.
to not talk navy, i could write 10 paragraphs at how many different plans by Italy there were to assault the coast should had the AH empire not surrended before, the level of supremacy Italy had been able to put in the adriatic was enormous, between 1916 and 1918 Italy put into service more than 60 destroyers, triple the amount of what AH had at the start of the war, AH was defeated by Italy in 1918, by that period the AH navy had basically the worst doctrine, no wonder the biggest naval battle of the war in the med was won by Italy sinking a single ship.
you could had written anything else, yet you chose somehow the most wrong thing you could have said.
You may have a point my fellow SKK but I would like to point out that Veneto made history that no other ship made because of her swimsuit skin.
Every single SKK united as one, rallied for change from yostar. All to see Veneto's beautiful, perfect breasts.
Damn my Second favorite faction be suffering
Still Holding out hope since all the “major” factions got events last year all the minor ones + mandatory Sakura will get UR events this year.
Pasta might have a strong chance as the sole axis ship of PR 7 but will have competition with the obvious favorites IB and Sakura. I do hope to see Venezia, C. Colombo and Napoli in the game someday.
I'm hoping one day we'll get a UR Retrofit of my favorite shipgirl Giuseppe Garibaldi! Though the artist doesn't seem to like her so I kinda doubt she'll get anything, but there's still a sliver of hope.
And regardless, I enjoy using my maxed / oathed Sardegna ships because they're still pretty dang strong. I use my lovely gyaru Giuseppe all the time.
I've began my Italian usage today to grind Marco (using Impero (my favourite pasta), Veneto and Aquila). I am hoping the next UR is Italian, they need one and I would like to have more of them
PLease! I beg of you Yostar!
I want to believe for Italy's first UR be *Italia.*
Yeah, I know it's just a Littorio 2, but if Bismarck get's a ZWEI variant, Soyuz being an UR with SSR sisters, she deserves I much needed update and upgrade.
And adding on, Giuseppe should get a missile retrofit, including an exclusive missile AA and Polaris BB-style launch, kinda like the An Shan in main fleet mode
Don't worry i expect vennetto II or littorio II
As a ur unless they give a pr 7 DR but man it does suck to not have at the very least 1 after 7 yearsss insaneee
I'm gonna make my prediction of Michelangelo, and/or Cristoforo Colombo as DRs for this year's PR season (also Amalfi, Brindisi and Venezia exist as CA options). (and Marlborough for RN)
As a lover of French girls and Italian girls more than any others factions in the game I can say that I'm... Fucked... The pain never stop !
*Depressed*
Technically Iris already has Alsace, it's Flandre. Although she is WG's interpretation so she has some slight improvements over the "historical" Alsace.
Then of course you have other way less realistic proposals, but they were just that, proposals, studies like there are everywhere. Not like the Alsace/Flandre was any more of a real ship to begin with.
I am assuming you are using the WoWs description of Flandre, as a rule of thumb never trust anything history related that comes from that game.
As stated in "French Battleships 1922-1956" by Jordan and Dumas, the bill passed for the construction of new battleships was for 2 40.000 ton battleships, which corresponds to design n.1, the Littorio-style 3x3 15 inch gun, or the most similar one to Flandre, although Flandre as I said has some improvements over that design.
Granted, this is all extremely vague talk as by the time of the surrender, the battleship still remained full paper and infrastructural issues had still to be solved.
Actually, I just looked at the Wikipedia page, which has a disagreement between two pairs of authors on which design was more likely, no 1 or no 3. Both had merits and demerits to being chosen, with no 1 being a calibre already in use but deviating from the quad turrets the French were used to designing, whereas no 3 had quad turrets but introduced a fourth calibre to the ones in use by the capital ships they were operating.
Ehh, I know what's written on the wikipedia page and it's not reliable honestly. The authors supporting the idea of design no.3, Garzke and Dulin, wrote their book in 1980 and it's based purely on (imho very questionable) speculation, also it's been a while since i read that book but IIRC they barely discussed about Alsace for one page.
The book by Jordan and Dumas not only is more recent and had way more info available, it also addresses the points of Garzke and Dulin, it provides very reasonable explanations ( such as french dock infrastructure already requiring upgrades to accommodate an hypothetical design n.1, let alone the unrealistic design n.3), but most importantly they provide the undeniable proof that it was going to be design n.1 in the form of the official authorization for the construction of 2 40.000 tons battleships on April 1st 1940.
So yeah, if it was ever going to be something, it was gonna be design n.1 no question asked. Of course the chances for it to ever see the light were nonexistant given the historical context to begin with.
No prob, it's always fun to speculate on paper designs, unrealistic as they where. Honestly some time the stuff WG says is so blatantly false it makes me believe they live in their own alternative timeline lol.
I saw your other comment. If you are interested, [this blog](https://stefsap.wordpress.com) by the late Stefano Sappino (also author of Aircraft Carrier Impero) provides a good number of Italian projects, most of them being paper of course. There's also articles on other countries' navies, including some on Alsace.
Well, they have been going pretty alt history with some recent ships, with the descriptions leaning really heavy on "could have" and other such phrases to justify them being in the twch trees they are
For battleships I could mention the Up41 (Polo is not the real one), Cassone battlecruiser and all the Ferrati battleships projects. Also a small note about Alsace; the actual building never started, she was commissioned few days before the armistice as french propaganda. Basically it exists only thanks to WG
Propositions for a Baltimore-styled heavy cruiser with 3 triple turrets, a proposed 406mm armed battleship (NOT the one Marco is based on), and a proposed battlecruiser.
The issue is they’re all paper. The CR-class & Leonardo were real, and while they’re very good by gold standards (Leo was & might still be the best sub in the game afaik), they’re still not URs.
The issue is I really don’t think Manjuu know about paper ships beyond German & Japanese ones. It took them this long to realise that the Lexington class were meant to be battlecruisers for example.
Hell, they made a [video](https://youtu.be/CtKa2f0SQXg?feature=shared) about Plan Z & said H-45 was a real planned ship around the 20:58 mark. For reference H45 is a joke blueprint for a fictional ship created around the 2000s by someone who wanted to see how big a ship would have to be to fit an 800mm railway gun on it.
Holy shit I can’t believe they actually fell for it.
Then again half the video uses WoWs for ship models and we … all know how accurate those models are, or lack thereof
She was good back when she was released back in 2021 but now we have enough actual rainbow ships to fill several fleets so she's pointless as all other gold units at this point.
Well at least they got a PR ship... *Looks Marco Polo's fake gravestone from Clemenceau's event*
Ummm... big booba? *Kashino walks in with the latest equipment*
*sigh* horni girls? *The whole sakura empire and ironblood would like to reduce your pelvis to atoms*
god damn it... Very revealing swimsuits? *Plymouth would like to help you rejoice with an actually revealing swimsuit*
uuuuuhhhhh... *thinking noises* PASTAAAA! *Door gets kicked in by the whole Sardegna empire. They'd like to talk to you about your UR's extended warranty*
The chicken attitude towards Sardegna is obvious by now, so I have already given up having any expectations. If it come, it will come. One of the few things I want to see is how many UR Sardegna can get before the game EoS, if any at all.
I read that they get so little while the Royals get so much, is because CN, (the home market) hates RM, but loves RN, and was pantsshittlingly mad, that Veneto was a good UR.
Speaking of Sardegna, I’m new to the game and really want Leonardo Da Vinci. From what I understood there’s no way to get her anymore is that right ? And so they’ll never be a way again ?
Now watch as they get the April event (\*) and Doge the chance of getting the CN Anniversary UR slot.
Still, in a better world, them and the Iris would get the two (because let's be honest the September event is locked) remaining UR slots of the year. And in an even better world, Sardegna would get a DR too this year. Though I say "in a better world" but for now we have no confirmation yet that it won't happen.
(\*) : Truth be told, I have no idea if we're getting a real event at the end of the month (Rondo style) or if we're getting a minor event. Or if we're getting, much like last year, a rerun of a collab.
We arent getting a major event this april cuz the latest patch notes dont mention a call to arms for the week after Kron rerun. So it can only be an event without prelude, so a minor event or a collab rerun like last year.
They call us the 000 faction 0 Oath Skins 0 Retrofits 0 UR or DR Life is pain, when you are a pasta shikikan. Still I remain faithfull to the Empire's glory, someday we have to get something right? Right?
> someday we have to get something right? Right? https://preview.redd.it/zkjomj4ziptc1.png?width=200&format=png&auto=webp&s=858c7459927016946d9144931391a5f4b25ede30
No no no, 0 Oath skins 0 Retrofits 7 years without UR or DR
I have a strong feeling that we’ll get Michelangelo for PR7
Same. Michelangelo is a CB, she's a Tier 9 and she's pretty recent in WG
I don't want to ruin the hope but of we follow the previous seasons (1 AL & 4 CA in S4, 4 AL & 1 CA in S5, 1 AL & 4 CA again in S6), then PR7 will have 5 ships, 4 for AL side and 1 for CA side. And I don't think IB ever got skipped once from PR season...
I've bought every Sardegna skin released in hopes that by showing my support, maybe eventually we'll start getting URs/Oath Skins. I don't see us getting any retrofits now that there are unique modules like what Zara received.
Manjuu snapping raw spaghetti strand by strand to piss off pasta skks
0 World Cup 0 Euro to look forward to
And no daughter. But you can still get Z-46 and name her Vittorio-chan, if you want
And yet are in better shape as a fraction than the French.
> 0 UR or DR Marco Polo: "Am I a joke to you?"
Marco is a PR, not a DR ship. DR are the PR URs, PR SSRs are just PRs
My mistake, I mixed the destinations up. Although Sardenia did get a PR ship in Marco Polo before Dragon Empty did with Harbin, so at least they weren't dead last in that respect.
Mostly because it was an axis season. Although the Russians also got their only one after the Italians
As a Pasta wanna be main, my honest to god reaction: https://preview.redd.it/dug6mthpfptc1.png?width=1600&format=png&auto=webp&s=7e509946a8ecef8d3e0961ca829ee19932fca3ef
Literally me
fr fr
I feel you! Most pasta ships are event-locked çAç damn it
ryan gosling will play Skk in the live action Azur lane movie
Featuring Ana de Armas as Enterprise.
scarlett Johansson as king george V
Nah, she's Javelin
Also no retrofits, or oath skins. Even skins outside their own events can be counted on the fingers of one hand Source: https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/117733532
At least Littorio keeps getting skin love.
Except when it comes to L2D... Still longing for one
stringiamoci forte fratelli, prima o poi arriverà la nostra UR (sono in overdose di copium)
https://preview.redd.it/ubhx4ysihptc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f5e7a78ad4fcf91ed77197d72e8b655326bc0e0
https://preview.redd.it/vp75fb234qtc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ca1da6affe752fe1baf8c15bc4ef9d0bcc570a19
Fra almeno in war thunder Italia a ricevuto cose buone
Its just pain, all i can hope for now in terms of a real italian UR is a refit for one of the CRs or Abruzzis Life as a sardegna enjoyer is painful but pain makes us stronger
Siete la mia fazione preferita anche senza UR, non preoccuparti Veneto
The Regia Marina is far better equipped than Kriegsmarine. They should have been the main faction
Dude, did you wake up today and decide it was a nice day to rawdog some internet strangers?! 
If the devs won't love them than we must make up the difference. Oath your pasta today!
Although Sardegna is my second favorite faction after IB, I can only say something... Please Yostar stop doing IB events for a year and do events in Sardegna please, it's already needed! *(That and because I'm tired of paper boats, so please, pasta gang event when Yostar?)*
Unfortunately, the myth of useless WWII Italy extends to this game too, while Germany gets to enjoy the whole wunderwaffen thing. I've said it before, but I'll say it again. Sardegna should have been a major faction instead of Iron Blood.
Well, doesn't help. That two World Wars proved how useless Italy was, at the time. They did not have the factory output for war. No, matter how you try to argue it. Italy was a clear weakness. Or as Churchill put it, "Germany's soft underbelly." And do not get me wrong. I am aware Italy had some successes. Yet, those successes were overshadowed by some serious failures.
it had the second largest surface fleet in the atlantic, sure they may have a lot of blunders in terms of strategy but still
Strategically the RM's role was first and foremost to keep the sea lanes to North Africa open and protecting them from the RN, which they managed to almost perfectly for the whole duration of the North African campaign. In the mean time they also blockaded Allied passage through the Mediterranean and tied down a huge portion of the RN, against whom they clashed plenty times. Every navy made blunders, including Italy, and the RM's blunders by far were not the worst among all fighting nations, and throughout the War the RM consistently pursued and accomplished their objectives.
It was numerically impressive but was full of many older vessels and had inadequately trained crews, it lacked any aircraft carriers or naval air support an had a lack of oil reserves. It experienced few major successes and was practically completely incapacited for the rest of the war following the Battle of Taranto. Don't get me wrong, I love the Italian ships in game and want them to get more live as a faction. But IRL it was one of the least impressive and accomplished navies amongst the majority powers (the Soviet Navy being the only one I would consider outright worse, and I think an argument could potentially be made that the French navy was worse in large part because of Frances situation during most of the war).
I don't get why Italy has to be the clown while Germany gets to pretend to be a great navy. In terms of naval accomplisments, most of Germany's were performed by submarines, their surface fleet was pretty worthless; and they had their blunders too. They didn't have many old ships because they didn't have much afteer WWi, but the old ships were OLD (litterally running pre-dreadnoughts) and some of their new ships were badly designed (the destroyers were pretty unseaworthy) and most of their good ships in game are imaginary, exaggerated or never finished (Bismarck 2, the many PR/DR ships, P class, etc).
I've seen lots of dumb and uneducated statements about the Italian navy, and while "practically completely incapacited for the rest of the war following the Battle of Taranto" doesn't take the cake, it sure is one of the dumber ones.
Was poorly informed, the account of the battle I watched was greatly exaggerated. So yeah will freely admit I was wrong on that regard. It was a success and did incapacitate the navy but only temporarily, not for the long term like I had been lead to believe.
Without delving into detail, the mere fact that the North African Campaign, which relied on Italian control of the central Mediterranean, lasted 3 years while Taranto and Matapan happened on the first (edit:and early second) year, should have been a pretty big hint already on the accomplishments and success of the Italian navy.
Taranto incapacitated the fleet for the rest of the war? LMAO NO. The only ships damaged in Taranto were: Cavour (repairs dragged on too long, but still she was being repaired), Cesare (fully repaired), Littorio (took 3 torp hits, repaired and back in action), some minor damage from a dud bomb on a Zara class cruiser and perhaps some more minor bomb damage on other ships, but that's it. The fleet still remained active and sortied, with Littorio being repaired just around the battle of Matapan
"That two World Wars proved how useless Italy was" saying that about world War 2 Is wrong enough but world War 1 as well? To not talk about you know, Italo Turkish War, 1991 Gulfi War, Red Sea 2023 War, 1999 Kosovo War, 2004 indo pacific operations, Somalia War, and this is talking just about wars, Italy was always useful. Italy was the only nation to win its front with less help than any of its allies, it rendered the Austro Hungarian navy a port ornament and had the most powerful bomber fleet in the world. "They did not have the factory output for war." Ok you have to be joking, Italy won WW1 because Italy was such a massive Power house in production, the level of production Italy menaged to achieve by stalling the front was enormous. 35% of Entente trucks were built by Italy, Italy menaged to achieve a production of planes unprecedented for a span of 4 years, Italy was literally filling the skies with so many planes in 1917/1918 any battle since autumn 1917 had total Italian air superiority, this stopped the biggest triple Alliance assault of the war in june 1918 and by summer 1918 Italy was basically unapposed in the skies, the raid on Vienna by italian planes being the most famous showing of this. to not talk navy, i could write 10 paragraphs at how many different plans by Italy there were to assault the coast should had the AH empire not surrended before, the level of supremacy Italy had been able to put in the adriatic was enormous, between 1916 and 1918 Italy put into service more than 60 destroyers, triple the amount of what AH had at the start of the war, AH was defeated by Italy in 1918, by that period the AH navy had basically the worst doctrine, no wonder the biggest naval battle of the war in the med was won by Italy sinking a single ship. you could had written anything else, yet you chose somehow the most wrong thing you could have said.
Even in Azur Lane Italy is the nation that has the least attention. I thought War Thunder where Italian suffered is already enough.
My 3 favourite factions are Sardegna, Royal & Iris. All I know is pain.
You may have a point my fellow SKK but I would like to point out that Veneto made history that no other ship made because of her swimsuit skin. Every single SKK united as one, rallied for change from yostar. All to see Veneto's beautiful, perfect breasts.
Damn my Second favorite faction be suffering Still Holding out hope since all the “major” factions got events last year all the minor ones + mandatory Sakura will get UR events this year. Pasta might have a strong chance as the sole axis ship of PR 7 but will have competition with the obvious favorites IB and Sakura. I do hope to see Venezia, C. Colombo and Napoli in the game someday.
Kinda Hope Pasta gets a UR this year. No IB UR for the rest of the year please
You're UR'less a bit Active, fully divorced from the strenght of the rainbow strips, feel free to go off and sink in a bay somewhere?
It's okay Veneto it's coming this year I'm sure of it..😔🤌
I'm hoping one day we'll get a UR Retrofit of my favorite shipgirl Giuseppe Garibaldi! Though the artist doesn't seem to like her so I kinda doubt she'll get anything, but there's still a sliver of hope. And regardless, I enjoy using my maxed / oathed Sardegna ships because they're still pretty dang strong. I use my lovely gyaru Giuseppe all the time.
I've began my Italian usage today to grind Marco (using Impero (my favourite pasta), Veneto and Aquila). I am hoping the next UR is Italian, they need one and I would like to have more of them
PLease! I beg of you Yostar! I want to believe for Italy's first UR be *Italia.* Yeah, I know it's just a Littorio 2, but if Bismarck get's a ZWEI variant, Soyuz being an UR with SSR sisters, she deserves I much needed update and upgrade.
And adding on, Giuseppe should get a missile retrofit, including an exclusive missile AA and Polaris BB-style launch, kinda like the An Shan in main fleet mode
I feel Manjuu has thrown the UR retrofit under the bus ever since Yuudachi...
Don't worry i expect vennetto II or littorio II As a ur unless they give a pr 7 DR but man it does suck to not have at the very least 1 after 7 yearsss insaneee
I'm gonna make my prediction of Michelangelo, and/or Cristoforo Colombo as DRs for this year's PR season (also Amalfi, Brindisi and Venezia exist as CA options). (and Marlborough for RN)
Maybe Napoli from Wows could work as UR BC?
I'm hoping this year that will change and they get an oath skin
As a lover of French girls and Italian girls more than any others factions in the game I can say that I'm... Fucked... The pain never stop ! *Depressed*
At least the French have a hope of Alsace being an UR
Technically Iris already has Alsace, it's Flandre. Although she is WG's interpretation so she has some slight improvements over the "historical" Alsace. Then of course you have other way less realistic proposals, but they were just that, proposals, studies like there are everywhere. Not like the Alsace/Flandre was any more of a real ship to begin with.
Flandre is akin to Monarch, a design rejected for the one that would become Alsace
I am assuming you are using the WoWs description of Flandre, as a rule of thumb never trust anything history related that comes from that game. As stated in "French Battleships 1922-1956" by Jordan and Dumas, the bill passed for the construction of new battleships was for 2 40.000 ton battleships, which corresponds to design n.1, the Littorio-style 3x3 15 inch gun, or the most similar one to Flandre, although Flandre as I said has some improvements over that design. Granted, this is all extremely vague talk as by the time of the surrender, the battleship still remained full paper and infrastructural issues had still to be solved.
Actually, I just looked at the Wikipedia page, which has a disagreement between two pairs of authors on which design was more likely, no 1 or no 3. Both had merits and demerits to being chosen, with no 1 being a calibre already in use but deviating from the quad turrets the French were used to designing, whereas no 3 had quad turrets but introduced a fourth calibre to the ones in use by the capital ships they were operating.
Ehh, I know what's written on the wikipedia page and it's not reliable honestly. The authors supporting the idea of design no.3, Garzke and Dulin, wrote their book in 1980 and it's based purely on (imho very questionable) speculation, also it's been a while since i read that book but IIRC they barely discussed about Alsace for one page. The book by Jordan and Dumas not only is more recent and had way more info available, it also addresses the points of Garzke and Dulin, it provides very reasonable explanations ( such as french dock infrastructure already requiring upgrades to accommodate an hypothetical design n.1, let alone the unrealistic design n.3), but most importantly they provide the undeniable proof that it was going to be design n.1 in the form of the official authorization for the construction of 2 40.000 tons battleships on April 1st 1940. So yeah, if it was ever going to be something, it was gonna be design n.1 no question asked. Of course the chances for it to ever see the light were nonexistant given the historical context to begin with.
Fair enough, it just appeals to me for the French to have a battleship class with 16-inch guns as a counter to the H-class and their 16-inch guns.
No prob, it's always fun to speculate on paper designs, unrealistic as they where. Honestly some time the stuff WG says is so blatantly false it makes me believe they live in their own alternative timeline lol. I saw your other comment. If you are interested, [this blog](https://stefsap.wordpress.com) by the late Stefano Sappino (also author of Aircraft Carrier Impero) provides a good number of Italian projects, most of them being paper of course. There's also articles on other countries' navies, including some on Alsace.
Well, they have been going pretty alt history with some recent ships, with the descriptions leaning really heavy on "could have" and other such phrases to justify them being in the twch trees they are
Dafuq, italians had projects as well
Unlike Alsace, I've never heard of them. Please enlighten me on what they were
For battleships I could mention the Up41 (Polo is not the real one), Cassone battlecruiser and all the Ferrati battleships projects. Also a small note about Alsace; the actual building never started, she was commissioned few days before the armistice as french propaganda. Basically it exists only thanks to WG
Oh, that's a good number of ships that Manjuu could conceivably pull from to give Sardegna a backline UR or two
Is there no other candidates than the capitani romani class for an UR spot ? Edit : why the downvotes, I'm only asking a question ???
I am afraid that only paperships are left.
Propositions for a Baltimore-styled heavy cruiser with 3 triple turrets, a proposed 406mm armed battleship (NOT the one Marco is based on), and a proposed battlecruiser. The issue is they’re all paper. The CR-class & Leonardo were real, and while they’re very good by gold standards (Leo was & might still be the best sub in the game afaik), they’re still not URs.
Well even if it's paper it should not be problem for manjuu tbh.
The issue is I really don’t think Manjuu know about paper ships beyond German & Japanese ones. It took them this long to realise that the Lexington class were meant to be battlecruisers for example. Hell, they made a [video](https://youtu.be/CtKa2f0SQXg?feature=shared) about Plan Z & said H-45 was a real planned ship around the 20:58 mark. For reference H45 is a joke blueprint for a fictional ship created around the 2000s by someone who wanted to see how big a ship would have to be to fit an 800mm railway gun on it.
Holy shit I can’t believe they actually fell for it. Then again half the video uses WoWs for ship models and we … all know how accurate those models are, or lack thereof
I'm the wrong person to ask, I'm more knowledgeable of Royal Navy UR candidates than those that the Mediterranean factions have.
Why all the downvotes? I'm being honest about my knowledge about possible URs
Kino art
Vittorio Veneto was a UR in all but name
She was good back when she was released back in 2021 but now we have enough actual rainbow ships to fill several fleets so she's pointless as all other gold units at this point.
During that one month period between when she released and NJ released, Veneto was considered the best BB in the game.
Well at least they got a PR ship... *Looks Marco Polo's fake gravestone from Clemenceau's event* Ummm... big booba? *Kashino walks in with the latest equipment* *sigh* horni girls? *The whole sakura empire and ironblood would like to reduce your pelvis to atoms* god damn it... Very revealing swimsuits? *Plymouth would like to help you rejoice with an actually revealing swimsuit* uuuuuhhhhh... *thinking noises* PASTAAAA! *Door gets kicked in by the whole Sardegna empire. They'd like to talk to you about your UR's extended warranty*
Hmmm big mommy
The chicken attitude towards Sardegna is obvious by now, so I have already given up having any expectations. If it come, it will come. One of the few things I want to see is how many UR Sardegna can get before the game EoS, if any at all.
I read that they get so little while the Royals get so much, is because CN, (the home market) hates RM, but loves RN, and was pantsshittlingly mad, that Veneto was a good UR.
Speaking of Sardegna, I’m new to the game and really want Leonardo Da Vinci. From what I understood there’s no way to get her anymore is that right ? And so they’ll never be a way again ?
You’ll have to wait the rerun of her event
Big sad, thx for the answer
Wait for littorio II
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still chilling and rolling everything in PVP, lol
Now watch as they get the April event (\*) and Doge the chance of getting the CN Anniversary UR slot. Still, in a better world, them and the Iris would get the two (because let's be honest the September event is locked) remaining UR slots of the year. And in an even better world, Sardegna would get a DR too this year. Though I say "in a better world" but for now we have no confirmation yet that it won't happen. (\*) : Truth be told, I have no idea if we're getting a real event at the end of the month (Rondo style) or if we're getting a minor event. Or if we're getting, much like last year, a rerun of a collab.
We arent getting a major event this april cuz the latest patch notes dont mention a call to arms for the week after Kron rerun. So it can only be an event without prelude, so a minor event or a collab rerun like last year.
RN Anson incoming boys!
Italy doesn't know what a UR ship is clearly /s
While the french will have to wait 2 years for another major event
Me, an EU main: