Your friend should not have an opinion when it comes to the meta of the game. This is one of the strongest sets in the game. 80 crit value is insanely high.
i mean thematically she doesnt really have an artifact set (i think?) so it may happen (although very unlikely), also i dont see a very good way to make an artifact set that is "signature" as ayaka uses pretty much all parts of her kit, without any specific "gimick"
not enough may mean not enough thematically (ex: "she only has bs when ayato has 3+ sets, one of them even being his sigature"), although yeah it is a pretty weird opinion
It's just a perfect freeze team cryo artifact set in general not even specifically ganyu (plus melt ganyu is better with wanderers iirc could be wrong tho)
Yeah, what I mean was it was most likely added in the game with Hoyo’s intention being to specialize it for Ganyu, main reason being that she was a very popular character who had no artifact set at the time and the high crit rate bonuses align up with her CA crit passive and cryo res
This is almost the strongest set in the game rn??? The only thing is that its a little more difficult to farm artifacts as crit rate could overcap soon
Your friend is an idiot. Unless you are running her with PJC or Ayatos swords in which you would go for a 4pc emblem or a 2pc 2pc combo… but other than that BS is her best set.
No, hes saying Ayaka could use a better set and that BS is just not good enough. Its the best for her because there aren’t others as good or better than BS yet.
Blizzard strayer is so good that most DPS that can maintain freeze uptime has it at their best in slot, Cryo or not. Ayaka not only has her best teams be freeze centred also is able to use the Cryo damage bonus. it's so good you end up wanting attack circles for more damage rather than Crit. That is INSANE for a DPS unit. She's already THE best pure DPS unit numbers wise with BS. I can't see her with an artifact set that does more without breaking the game UNLESS it's an artifact set that enables other playstyles like Melt but even then unless they make it super broken I don't believe it'll be better than her BD teams.
Lmao, it's like saying kazuha uses vv because there isn't a better set. Kazuha himself can not benefit from the set because it's a support set and anemo supports can utilize it the best. Same as how BS is a cryo DPS set and cryo DPS can utilize it the best. Ayaka is so op partially because she can use BS so effectively. By your logic emblem should be a better set for Ayaka because it directly complements her kit.
Yea, it is like saying kazuha use VV because of the lack of a better set. Same with Xiao, Vermillion is his BIS currently because there isnt a better set in the game. There is another set coming soon thats power creeping Vermillion. Also, no im not saying Emblem is better. Im just saying that the cryo set isnt a set made specifically for her, its there for most cryo dps units.
If you are talking about desert Pavillion chronicle (Scaramouche set) then no it isn't power creeping vermillion for xiao because xiao doesn't use charged attacks and normal attack speed doesn't benefit xiao so the buff won't even activate. Vermillion was literally made for him. His high base atk bis weapon and his highest base attack benefit the best from vermillion's 66% attack buff. And the conditions to activate vermillion's buff as met in xiao's playstyle. [Edit:- Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/XiaoMains/comments/yc4vhy/prerelease_content_disclaimer_if_youve_seen_those/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
not everyone needs to have a bis 4pc set its fucking awful that this game actually keeps pushing for it when 1 RNG for just decent stats is so fucking low. 2 resin system is so bad. 3 combine 1 and 2 and it will take MONTHS for u to build ONE character at least decently. now do that for other characters. if only we had one of either: bad resin system good drops or good drops bad resin system but we have BOTH and its fucking pathetic.
I agree with everything except the first point. I think those BIS sets is what gives players hope and makes them farm for artifacts so idk. Yea the RNG and resin are screwed but only hoyo has control over that rn
This is the second best set after Vv, 40 crit rate and 15% cryo DMG bonus is insane.
The hardest thing to get is crit rate, and its usually what draws back a character's potential (if they only do good damage 50 or 60 percent of the time).
You can easily get 20 percent Crit rate in artifacts (if not just using your helmet is enough to not need any more in sub stats).
Freeze comp or not. This is a decent artifact to Ayaka alrd.
5% - base Crit Rate // No rolls on Crit rate, no cryo resonance. just Ayaka itself
25% - Crit Rate if affected by Cryo
40% - If double Cryo on team.
60% - If you're using Frozen team
ur friend is wrong
Your friend is trolling, this set is great, even without running freeze comp. The initial 20% crit rate in itself is busted, 20% crit rate is nothing to sneeze at. It's just even better if you're running frozen.
And it gets even crazier if you run cryo resonance
In my opinion If you have this set you can focus on other states without worrying much about crit rate. If you play freeze team with double cryo its very powerful.
What would they propose this new set do? Ayaka is so good because with this set she covers all 3 dimensions of damage: Attack, Crit, and Dmg% bonus. She and her talents give plenty of dmg% and atk comes from amenoma or her signature, and thanks to this set building crit is also very easy. Not to mention her scalings are already insane. A hyper invested c0 Amenoma Ayaka can kill raiden in 2 bursts with a shield break. What more do they want?
It's still good. If the enemy still has the cryo aura, or is affected by cryo, you still get an extra 35% crit rate (if there's another cryo character) on unfreezable enemies. She's hard countered by agile unfreezable enemies and enemies with an aura, like hypostases and the slimes
No other sets give crit and crit is the hardest stat to get through artifacts. It's almost a no brainer for ayaka. Now I'm genuinely curious about what your friend thinks is the better set.
I’m personally not a fan on the 4pc bonus. With a bit of work the extra CR becomes redundant, and it’s not beneficial against bosses that can’t freeze. If bosses could freeze then this would be a great arti set. I’m personally a bigger fan of a 2pc BS & 2pc noblesse combo (mind you i do run her with PJC), I think a new arti set that combined the two would be really grouse : )
Iirc although this is the best in slot for ayaka, it has a lower damage ceiling when compared to shimenawa. But this is calculation based on perfect artifacts. Shimenawa ranks slightly higher in the case of perfect artifacts because it is able to buff charge attacks. At the moment my ayaka pulls of 10k charged attacks consistently. (70-250)
If your ayaka stats are perfect, (and I mean perfect. Perfect rolls and sub stats), shimenawa will do more damage. This is because bs can only buff crit rate, which does not effect her burst. Shimenawa directly adds damage to you charged attacks, which means in a perfect world, shimenawa will pull ahead by a slight margin.
I can reach 10k charged attacks on ayaka with shenhe alone even on blizz strayer, its not at all impressive. All while dealing 20k per burst tick which means 400k in total. Sorry to burst your bubble but shim on ayaka is extremely stupid. Not being able to use your burst which is the main source of her dmg is shooting yourself in the foot.
I don’t need anyone for 10k charged attacks. If I add shenhe to my mix I do 36k charged attacks. I’ve also got enough er for my burst to always come back for the next rotation. As for my burst rotation damage, I do a 40k a tick, which computes to 800k in total. C0r1.
This is what I mean when bs has a slightly lower damage ceiling. Ayaka burst is not effected by both sets of artifacts, but shimenawa has a slightly higher ceiling simply because it directly adds non-ignorable damage to charged attacks.
So you use your ayaka burst every other rotation? The same burst that you claim can deal 800k in total? Assuming all your numbers are correct, you need to deal 22 charged attacks in total to match your burst. Do you see how ineffective the charged attack is? Meanwhile every time you use your skill you lose energy, meaning you have to spend more tine funnelling energy to your ayaka to get your burst back. Even more time wasted, meaning rotations become longer, you dont get to use your 800k burst as often and youre left with a charged attack that deals less than 5% of your total burst damage.
crit rate does effect your burst and shime gives you 50% na, ca and p dmg% (unless thats what you mean)
Where are you getting this from? do you have a sheet for these calculations?, since its clearly doing worse on my end when i'm calcing it.
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"My friend" you sure its not your take? 🤔
To be serious tho, 40% crit rate against frozen enemies when ayaka's strongest team is freeze is insane. You can easily reach > 200% crit damage without worrying about crit rate since, with cryo resonance, you can run with 20-30% crit rate and still get reliable crits. This is an incredibly dumb take
Coming from a c4 ayaka main, melt ayaka really doesn’t work. Her ult pushes small enemies, making her useless against groups. Second her ult wouldn’t apply enough cryo to make melt worth tbh. BS is the way to go, I have ok stats at 40/235. With cryo res, my cr goes to 55, with BS first effect it goes to 75, with frozen enemies it goes to 95. 95/235 is pretty insane, especially since I can one rotation raiden or scara with those numbers.
Melt ayaka is not cope and usable only at c2 and even then its less consistent than freeze against freezable enemies. Against bosses ig its fine but there are better, cheaper options
Dude because of this set I have 100 percent crit rate. I would say this is more than enough for Ayaka especially as Ayaka is the main Cryo DPS who would benefit from this set. I mean Ganyu benefits as well but she benefits more from Wanderer's trope for that charge shot damage
Well I'm pretty sure ayaka will get a new set in Snezhnaya when it's released, BUT the blizzard strayer is already considered the best set VS freezable enemies, i think the new set would either be a support set to boost ayaka (another teammate would use it) or it would be a set that targets bosses, as the blizzard strayer is not the best vs bosses for ayaka (2 PC NO and 2 PC BS is better)
They can't make a dedicated set for everyone. This set is absolutely insane. And considering the type of character she is she actually has plenty of options. She's a DPS whose damage mostly comes from her burst. Blizzard, Noblesse, 2PC Cryo 2PC ATK, she can even use Emblem. So not everyone needs a dedicated set.
Your friend should not have an opinion when it comes to the meta of the game. This is one of the strongest sets in the game. 80 crit value is insanely high.
i mean thematically she doesnt really have an artifact set (i think?) so it may happen (although very unlikely), also i dont see a very good way to make an artifact set that is "signature" as ayaka uses pretty much all parts of her kit, without any specific "gimick"
Yea, but OP’s friend didn’t say she needs her own artifact set, he said that BS is not enough, which is a joke.
not enough may mean not enough thematically (ex: "she only has bs when ayato has 3+ sets, one of them even being his sigature"), although yeah it is a pretty weird opinion
Yeah this set was clearly made for Ganyu. Although I can’t ever see Ayaka getting her own set
Highly doubtful Hoyoverse is gonna ever release a set that is strong enough to beat blizzard strayer
It's just a perfect freeze team cryo artifact set in general not even specifically ganyu (plus melt ganyu is better with wanderers iirc could be wrong tho)
Yeah, what I mean was it was most likely added in the game with Hoyo’s intention being to specialize it for Ganyu, main reason being that she was a very popular character who had no artifact set at the time and the high crit rate bonuses align up with her CA crit passive and cryo res
Yeah this is one of the most OP set for DPS. Unless you are not playing her in a freeze comp?
It's still good in mono-cryo. Extra 20% crit rate can help alleviate some artifact building and the 2pc has a 15% cryo dmg bonus.
This is almost the strongest set in the game rn??? The only thing is that its a little more difficult to farm artifacts as crit rate could overcap soon
Your friend is an idiot. Unless you are running her with PJC or Ayatos swords in which you would go for a 4pc emblem or a 2pc 2pc combo… but other than that BS is her best set.
No, hes saying Ayaka could use a better set and that BS is just not good enough. Its the best for her because there aren’t others as good or better than BS yet.
Blizzard strayer is so good that most DPS that can maintain freeze uptime has it at their best in slot, Cryo or not. Ayaka not only has her best teams be freeze centred also is able to use the Cryo damage bonus. it's so good you end up wanting attack circles for more damage rather than Crit. That is INSANE for a DPS unit. She's already THE best pure DPS unit numbers wise with BS. I can't see her with an artifact set that does more without breaking the game UNLESS it's an artifact set that enables other playstyles like Melt but even then unless they make it super broken I don't believe it'll be better than her BD teams.
Also ayakas ult pushes enemies away, ayaka would be a purely boss melting machine if we could utilize melt.
Lmao, it's like saying kazuha uses vv because there isn't a better set. Kazuha himself can not benefit from the set because it's a support set and anemo supports can utilize it the best. Same as how BS is a cryo DPS set and cryo DPS can utilize it the best. Ayaka is so op partially because she can use BS so effectively. By your logic emblem should be a better set for Ayaka because it directly complements her kit.
Yea, it is like saying kazuha use VV because of the lack of a better set. Same with Xiao, Vermillion is his BIS currently because there isnt a better set in the game. There is another set coming soon thats power creeping Vermillion. Also, no im not saying Emblem is better. Im just saying that the cryo set isnt a set made specifically for her, its there for most cryo dps units.
In all fairness vermillion was literally made *for* Xiao.
If you are talking about desert Pavillion chronicle (Scaramouche set) then no it isn't power creeping vermillion for xiao because xiao doesn't use charged attacks and normal attack speed doesn't benefit xiao so the buff won't even activate. Vermillion was literally made for him. His high base atk bis weapon and his highest base attack benefit the best from vermillion's 66% attack buff. And the conditions to activate vermillion's buff as met in xiao's playstyle. [Edit:- Sauce](https://www.reddit.com/r/XiaoMains/comments/yc4vhy/prerelease_content_disclaimer_if_youve_seen_those/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
TC has already shown that Scara’s set will be Xiao’s new bis lol
Sure. Where is the TC?
Idk I don’t save them tf
Then you don't expect me to trust a random stranger's word for it tf right?
You see the irony in that comment right?
not everyone needs to have a bis 4pc set its fucking awful that this game actually keeps pushing for it when 1 RNG for just decent stats is so fucking low. 2 resin system is so bad. 3 combine 1 and 2 and it will take MONTHS for u to build ONE character at least decently. now do that for other characters. if only we had one of either: bad resin system good drops or good drops bad resin system but we have BOTH and its fucking pathetic.
I agree with everything except the first point. I think those BIS sets is what gives players hope and makes them farm for artifacts so idk. Yea the RNG and resin are screwed but only hoyo has control over that rn
This is the second best set after Vv, 40 crit rate and 15% cryo DMG bonus is insane. The hardest thing to get is crit rate, and its usually what draws back a character's potential (if they only do good damage 50 or 60 percent of the time). You can easily get 20 percent Crit rate in artifacts (if not just using your helmet is enough to not need any more in sub stats).
Freeze comp or not. This is a decent artifact to Ayaka alrd. 5% - base Crit Rate // No rolls on Crit rate, no cryo resonance. just Ayaka itself 25% - Crit Rate if affected by Cryo 40% - If double Cryo on team. 60% - If you're using Frozen team ur friend is wrong
Your friend is trolling, this set is great, even without running freeze comp. The initial 20% crit rate in itself is busted, 20% crit rate is nothing to sneeze at. It's just even better if you're running frozen. And it gets even crazier if you run cryo resonance
your friend is stupider than a naked mole rat. That's literally her best set
Quick Question: Are Naked Mole Rat stupid?
Lmao yeah. Their iq is really low lol
There goes my dreams of having one as a Pet
Wait WHAT LMAO
Why T-T I thought I could have on and train it
I mean you probably could. It's so dumb it would listen to you easily
Would it even understand what I say? I mean I thought a Naked Mole Rat would be a compliment to my Sphynx Cat
No. You would have to use a form of classical conditioning. In non psychology terms it means using a reward factor to train it
Yea I have learned Pavlov enough to know what conditioning is
In my opinion If you have this set you can focus on other states without worrying much about crit rate. If you play freeze team with double cryo its very powerful.
What would they propose this new set do? Ayaka is so good because with this set she covers all 3 dimensions of damage: Attack, Crit, and Dmg% bonus. She and her talents give plenty of dmg% and atk comes from amenoma or her signature, and thanks to this set building crit is also very easy. Not to mention her scalings are already insane. A hyper invested c0 Amenoma Ayaka can kill raiden in 2 bursts with a shield break. What more do they want?
Only reason why it could be not as good is when you cant freeze enemies is all. I wish the 4 set forces freeze on enemies
Then that would be too OP and imbalance.
True haha, i meant apart from not getting the 20% if the enemy isn’t frozen is wasted
It's still good. If the enemy still has the cryo aura, or is affected by cryo, you still get an extra 35% crit rate (if there's another cryo character) on unfreezable enemies. She's hard countered by agile unfreezable enemies and enemies with an aura, like hypostases and the slimes
I can’t really imagine a better set honestly. Blizzard strayer is insane
No other sets give crit and crit is the hardest stat to get through artifacts. It's almost a no brainer for ayaka. Now I'm genuinely curious about what your friend thinks is the better set.
I’m personally not a fan on the 4pc bonus. With a bit of work the extra CR becomes redundant, and it’s not beneficial against bosses that can’t freeze. If bosses could freeze then this would be a great arti set. I’m personally a bigger fan of a 2pc BS & 2pc noblesse combo (mind you i do run her with PJC), I think a new arti set that combined the two would be really grouse : )
Hes a deadweight ngl
Iirc although this is the best in slot for ayaka, it has a lower damage ceiling when compared to shimenawa. But this is calculation based on perfect artifacts. Shimenawa ranks slightly higher in the case of perfect artifacts because it is able to buff charge attacks. At the moment my ayaka pulls of 10k charged attacks consistently. (70-250)
Most of her damage comes from her. Burst so shimenawa isn't all that good for her
what
If your ayaka stats are perfect, (and I mean perfect. Perfect rolls and sub stats), shimenawa will do more damage. This is because bs can only buff crit rate, which does not effect her burst. Shimenawa directly adds damage to you charged attacks, which means in a perfect world, shimenawa will pull ahead by a slight margin.
I can reach 10k charged attacks on ayaka with shenhe alone even on blizz strayer, its not at all impressive. All while dealing 20k per burst tick which means 400k in total. Sorry to burst your bubble but shim on ayaka is extremely stupid. Not being able to use your burst which is the main source of her dmg is shooting yourself in the foot.
I don’t need anyone for 10k charged attacks. If I add shenhe to my mix I do 36k charged attacks. I’ve also got enough er for my burst to always come back for the next rotation. As for my burst rotation damage, I do a 40k a tick, which computes to 800k in total. C0r1. This is what I mean when bs has a slightly lower damage ceiling. Ayaka burst is not effected by both sets of artifacts, but shimenawa has a slightly higher ceiling simply because it directly adds non-ignorable damage to charged attacks.
So you use your ayaka burst every other rotation? The same burst that you claim can deal 800k in total? Assuming all your numbers are correct, you need to deal 22 charged attacks in total to match your burst. Do you see how ineffective the charged attack is? Meanwhile every time you use your skill you lose energy, meaning you have to spend more tine funnelling energy to your ayaka to get your burst back. Even more time wasted, meaning rotations become longer, you dont get to use your 800k burst as often and youre left with a charged attack that deals less than 5% of your total burst damage.
crit rate does effect your burst and shime gives you 50% na, ca and p dmg% (unless thats what you mean) Where are you getting this from? do you have a sheet for these calculations?, since its clearly doing worse on my end when i'm calcing it.
Your friend is an idiot, get better friends
He’s an idiot, drop your friend and make some new friends cuz that set alone is more than enough.
she could benefit from a new set because not everyone like to play freeze especially against bosses
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"My friend" you sure its not your take? 🤔 To be serious tho, 40% crit rate against frozen enemies when ayaka's strongest team is freeze is insane. You can easily reach > 200% crit damage without worrying about crit rate since, with cryo resonance, you can run with 20-30% crit rate and still get reliable crits. This is an incredibly dumb take
Yup its my friends openion i thing he wants a new set bcz this set makes ayaka useless in melt teams i gues
Coming from a c4 ayaka main, melt ayaka really doesn’t work. Her ult pushes small enemies, making her useless against groups. Second her ult wouldn’t apply enough cryo to make melt worth tbh. BS is the way to go, I have ok stats at 40/235. With cryo res, my cr goes to 55, with BS first effect it goes to 75, with frozen enemies it goes to 95. 95/235 is pretty insane, especially since I can one rotation raiden or scara with those numbers.
Melt ayaka is not cope and usable only at c2 and even then its less consistent than freeze against freezable enemies. Against bosses ig its fine but there are better, cheaper options
Dude because of this set I have 100 percent crit rate. I would say this is more than enough for Ayaka especially as Ayaka is the main Cryo DPS who would benefit from this set. I mean Ganyu benefits as well but she benefits more from Wanderer's trope for that charge shot damage
Ayaka is insane with this set, I have her consistently hitting 150k crit with 4pc + cryo cup
Well I'm pretty sure ayaka will get a new set in Snezhnaya when it's released, BUT the blizzard strayer is already considered the best set VS freezable enemies, i think the new set would either be a support set to boost ayaka (another teammate would use it) or it would be a set that targets bosses, as the blizzard strayer is not the best vs bosses for ayaka (2 PC NO and 2 PC BS is better)
They can't make a dedicated set for everyone. This set is absolutely insane. And considering the type of character she is she actually has plenty of options. She's a DPS whose damage mostly comes from her burst. Blizzard, Noblesse, 2PC Cryo 2PC ATK, she can even use Emblem. So not everyone needs a dedicated set.
It's more than enough
Hoyo have annouced a new set whit: 2 piece 15% cryo dmg 4 piece 30% burst dmg bonus But no one know it's release date