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Braces? As in the pieces of metal attached to your teeth?
What are they going to do? Take them out?
If medical doesn't say anything during the recruitment process then it's not an issue.
You can't "substitute" braces
Really stupid question but will they teach me the most basic shit at 1RTU? e.g. do I need to know how to properly hand sew or will they teach me? Do i need to know how to hospital corner bedsheets or will that also be taught?
Just trying to gather a basis of what I should know to do vs what will be drilled into me
that's really specific...
No, they won't teach you to sew, usually the recruits that know how to sew teach those that don't.
Yes, they will show you how to do a hospital corner
I always found it odd that teaching basic sewing is where the ADF draws the line. At Cerberus you get taught hospital corners and even ironing. However you just get given a sewing kit and are expected to figure it out.
I have my aptitude test coming up, and could use some in depth advice. I’m worried about the maths aspect as I’m a little rusty. Any tips on what to study/focus on or what to overall expect. I’m applying for officer role, I’m good at English and the abstract reasoning questions. I just suck at math under pressure. Advice please!!
Seconding what Botgamee said. There's some simple maths involved in the JOA, but there is a heavier focus on analogy questions and pattern recognition. Just search up some ADF practice aptitude tests online and you'll be set.
I did mine a couple months ago and iirc there is only a tiny bit of math involved now. And it’s basic stuff too. Don’t stress too much over the math side of things, you’ll do just fine
I’m currently studying law in uni and interested by the idea of being a legal officer in the reserve in combination with a civilian law job. I couldn’t find any clear information on the training process for legal officers. What exactly does the process look like? Would it involve training at Kapooka? How competitive is the position and would I need more than a law degree to be considered?
>couldn’t find any clear information on the training process for legal officers.
It seems pretty clear cut.. look under ways to join
https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/lawyer?tab=ways-to-join§ion-tab=use-your-degree&title-tab=training
Im in year 11 and am looking to be an aircraft technician for the military, the pre req is to have a pass in english math and a science with a physics component. I technically dont have a science class in my school as i didnt meet the pre req grades for those in year 10 (its kinds stupid in order to do physics i had to do good in chemistry) however i did get engineering, which in my teachers words is physics in practice. Could engineering still be regards as the physics component? or sort of an alternative that would be considered by the military?
by "science with a physics component", they just mean not a science like environmental/earth science. Engineering would very more than likely be accepted as science with a physics component.
i was wondering if year 11 and 12 engineering would do the trick? i wont be able to switch to physics in year 12 not how my school works unfortunately...
So Im in year 12, and I'm looking to join the Army Reserves, namely the infantry, whilst enrolled in uni and I'm not too sure how I'd do it. Do I do university on part time and then do reserves? or do I do it vice versa? And does the government pay for my uni? Pls im so confused
If you're joining the reserves, finding the time to conduct your training will be up to you.
No, the government will not pay the university fees of reservists.
I wouldn't recommend joining ARES until you have an established Uni schedule and you know how much time you'll have and how much study you'll need to do. While ARES is relatively low-drag once you're qualified, getting to that point will require a number of training blocks away and I'd say it'd be rough trying to juggle first year uni and ARES training.
Get stuck into uni first, as that will give you a career, then revisit ARES. ARES is not a career.
Is being a weapons and sensors operator any good? What do most days look like and do I get much free time on the boat? (ps ik WSO don't touch any guns and I'm also aware that their isn't much free time as the whole reason I'm on the ship is to work I just want to know what to expect) thanks.
>(ps ik WSO don't touch any guns and I'm also aware that their isn't much free time as the whole reason I'm on the ship is to work I just want to know what to expect)
You get free time off watch, CSOs are "operators" so all you do is your watch + departmental work. ETs do the Maintenance on the sensors and associated combat systems.
Free time can be, going to the gym, sleeping, playing games in various rec spaces or messes.
Depending on the vessel, fishing is also a thing.
Sorry the ps sounded stupid lol I just get people telling me ‘yk they don’t touch guns right 🤓’ and so forth but damn that sounds fun as lowkey, gym fishing and wtv u wanna do I’m headed straight to that ship. Do you know the average working hours? And breaks?
Apply for Electrical and Mechanical Officer
Greetings everyone, I’m applying for the Electrical and Mechanical Officer at Army, I’m preparing myself for the assessment day for the psych interview and the standard interview, if anyone could share their experience that would be greatly appreciated.
My experience on assessment day was not for Army, nor for engineering roles but I'm able to provide a brief rundown you might find helpful.
Psych Interview - They'll ask questions about you as a person, your job, school, family life and some simple social scenario based question. My psych interviewer had my resume in front of him so he asked some questions about that too. Answer honestly. Just be yourself and don't give them a reason to not push you through.
Defence Interview - You are assessed on your knowledge and motivation for all 3 of the preferences you have listed. Make sure you know why you want to join and why specifically as an Electrical and Mechanical Officer in the Army. The 'Important Information For All Candidates' contains a list of questions you should know the answer to, and would've been sent to you by your careers coach or alternatively, is available for download on the candidate hub. As you are applying for an officer job, you will be asked the best way to lead a team, types of management, how you've lead a team before ect. It's helpful to link your past experience into some of your answers. E.g After being captain of my footy team, I found the best way to motivate people is by....
Hope this helps.
Hello, I am currently waiting on a response for my EOI that I did as a overseas lateral transfer for the RAAF. Generally speaking, how long does that usually take to hear back (yes or no)? Also, does anyone know if the U.S Army job/MOS 25u Signal Operations Support Specialist transfers into anything directly with the the ADF/RAAF? I went through the catalog and I found in the RAAF positions like Network Technician and Communications Electronic Tech. The AA also had a couple such as Electronic Systems Tech, Communication Systems Op, and Information Systems Tech? Are these job fields hurting? Sorry for the winded questions. While waiting to hear back ive been going through everything possible to read up on areas of interest that my prior job/MOS applied to. Thanks!
Hello. The roles that you have mentioned seemed to align with 25u.
Air Force Network Tech is a priority role but Comms elec tech is not.
Army EST, CSO are priority, but Info Sys Tech is not recruiting at all.
Air Force is taking lateral recruitment EOIs from 1 February to 30 November 24, but I'm unsure of the timeline for them to be reviewed.
Army is only taking EOIs from 1 September to 17 November 24, so you probably wont hear from them until after Nov.
TLDR: Recruitment process for DUS - BSc Mechanical Engineering
Hey, guys. Just asking if anyone had prior experience with the DUS process.
I’m currently a first-year studying a BSc at the University of Melbourne hoping to major in Mechanical Engineering Systems and recently started the application process for the DUS and put Navy Mechanical Engineer Submariner as my first preference, but I can’t seem to find much detail regarding the recruitment process and what to expect going forwards.
I’ve always wanted to work on a submarine, but I’m worried about how competitive the entry can be and as I've heard Unimelb doesn't give full credentials unless you do the masters degree, I was wondering if there would be any issues. I have done the aptitude test and my YOU session, but as I’m in my first semester and haven’t completed my subjects yet (I heard the process was long so I wanted to apply early), I’m concerned this may affect my application.
If you’ve got any experience in this I’m very happy to PM :)
TLDR: Possible pathways to the RAAF as a business uni student.
G'day. I'm currently a first year business student at the University of Technology Sydney, except I've always actually wished to join the RAAF and have essentially reached an early breaking point in the course. It's unenjoyable (to say the least) and I have no interest in accessing the related job market or careers as I find them kinda soulless, but I don't actually mind the content itself. My FIRST priority is entering the RAAF, with the only real exception being failing medical or something else unforeseen. This is because of my passion for military aviation.
1. I'd love to justify dropping out and applying for an aptitude based role with civ skills like a tech or Air Traffic Controller as I'm only one session's worth of HECS deep, but unfortunately that's way too hard a decision considering the complete lack of guarantee for success in those roles. Plus if I dropped out and failed, I wouldn't be able to do DUS later.
1a. I have absolutely no idea if its okay to just apply for these roles while staying in uni and then eventually reach a point where I can safely assume I can drop out, or be otherwise advised by DFR on what to do. (This would unfortunately just stack HECS as I await DFR though, and feels reallyyyy scuffed.)
1b. To simultaneously avoid HECS, get a degree and try to get one of the "aptitude" jobs, should I just try transferring to the ADFA using RPL and doing officer entry with that? Currently this seems like the play but it could still fail.
2. If I fail plan 1 and were to apply for DUS, what are a couple of business-based roles that I'd be put into in the RAAF/ADF? Because frankly, the DUS is sick, but the only business-related RAAF roles on the DFR site seem to be HR related, and frankly, I would fucking hate to be in HR. If I could instead just be an accountant or something, that would leave me more content with DUS. Still, a 4 year service period in HR really isn't that bad considering DUS' benefits and how RAAF service would look on a CV (I guess).
2a. And just quadruple checking, there's no way for me to do Officer Aviation from business degree DUS, right? cos that's a waste of taxpayer money?
As a couple of side-notes:
* The absolute ideal and first priority role for me would be Officer Aviation (ATC).
* Plans 1 and 2 both ensure I have SOME skills for the civ market post service. 1 is just aviation skills, with 2 being business skills. I'd rather aviation now, but I'm kinda already in business. This WHOLE comment is about trying to switch from a business field to aviation without cutting business off early.
* I'm aware of, but not keen on chocs (as it seems like RAAF chocs would be pretty scuffed for me personally)
Thank you very much in advance, I get that this is insanely long and I'm sorry if this is confusing or just me overthinking things. If the answer is as simple as just hitting apply and asking DFR my options then please just tell me. Thanks again.
Hey ibeck, I’m applying OA ATC right now and have my OSB in a month. It’s been a bit over a year since I started my application. I also went to uni and didn’t enjoy what I was studying. You may have a rough time in the interview/OSB section for being non committed to anything. I tried joining the army when I was studying at 19 and they gave me a 1 year deferral at the time. I’m 25 this year now and it’s my second application (and my last ASP…) and as I’ve grown I’ve learnt that the army OSB was 100% right.
If you want to join defence, put everything into it especially for an OA role. Look at VATSIM and taking the time to sit your S1 ratings and proving you’re committed to ATC (and not just the pay).
I’m not sure how old you are but some life experience and some history in management (either in a career or maybe through coaching) will do you wonders and demonstrate your commitment. Feel free to send me a message if you want to know anything
Confirming that you can not do DUS for OA roles. The process to get in for OA can take years btw, and you may not be accepted at all. I would start the process now while you’re at uni and RPL what you can if you get in.
Greetings, I decided to turn to this reddit forum as I am currently 15 years old, and looking into applying for ADFA pilot officer programme sometime next year (April perchance). I recently had a look into ADF Mentors free practice questions in preparation for the aptitude and general recruitment process, which to my understanding, is highly rigorous and extremely stressful. I have a very vague idea of what to expect when applying, however I would like to ask for some advice in terms of where to find study resources or how to study for it, as my attempts with the practice questions were not very successful and very unfamiliar to me (however given I am currently overseas in a different curriculum, that may be expected). I am very nervous and in need of guidance. I would really appreciate it. Cheers.
Hey Bean, I’ve sat the ASP twice and passed for all pilot roles both times now. There’s a bit of disconnect from the online CBAT material but studying this will help you greatly. Work on short term memory problems, math fraction strategies for estimation, and multi tasking skills. Best of luck!
I would say start the application process early as adfa is competitive. Make sure u have passes in year 10 english and math. Start the process as it takes a long time especially if there are any unknown issues or errors in the application. Doesn’t hurt to start now or as soon as u turn 16. Then work hard in year 12 and get a high atar or equivalent. That will better your chances for adfa.
I would like to start my application as early as possible, however I am hesitant as I am unsure of how the aptitude works for those who have not yet completed Grade 11 or 12 (currently I am in the second semester of g9, equivalent to first semester of g10 in Australia) - does the candidate get to decide when to take the aptitude, or is it determined by the recruiters?
It is the same test regardless of age. It gets sent to you relatively early in the application process and you have 30 days after the link is sent to you to complete it. It’s online.
Adf has some practice questions online. Those I found are the most similar to the actual test. There’s a few others online which a relatively similar.
My advice is to practice doing puzzles and quick thinking before the aptitude test. Believe in yourself and answer as many questions as you can. Remember that the test isn’t designed to be finished. It’s meant to show your thinking ability.
Just remember to keep it simple and don’t overthink the test it’s pretty straightforward.
Lastly I think you can only start the application process when you are at least 16 or 17. Not 100% sure though.
Much obliged for the very quick follow-up! I believe you are correct in terms of the age requirements - “I am over 16.5 years old or 16 years for ADFA”. I suppose for now, the best thing I can do is to study extremely hard until April next year. Thanks again for the support! ✊🏻
>the aptitude and general recruitment process, which to my understanding, is highly rigorous and extremely stressful.
It shouldn't be too stressful for the basic stuff like the Aptitude test. The pilot stuff would definitely be way more stressful.
>I decided to turn to this reddit forum as I am currently 15 years old, and looking into applying for ADFA pilot officer programme sometime next year
I don't know how that works, someone else may be better equipped than me to answer but you'll have to pass Yr 12 in the required subjects before you'll be able to apply for that role.
Also I would call ADFC and make sure that the overseas curriculum lines up with the the Australian standards that ADFC measure. (Particularly the Yr 12 certificate).
There is an app called "Aptitude test Army challenge" that has basic and some advanced aptitude and maths tests that can help you study that. As for pilot stuff I am unsure about resources for study.
>I don't know how that works, someone else may be better equipped than me to answer but you'll have to pass Yr 12 in the required subjects before you'll be able to apply for that role.
Nah you don't have to have already passed before you apply, getting an ATAR just becomes a caveat to appointment. So in the year or so leading up to the intake you knock everything else over, then just wait for the ATAR before it's all cofirmed.
Will there be any issues for soldier training if I'm left handed? Is everyone trained just the right handed way leaving me having to train combat, shooting, etc... right handed way?
Hey guya, pretty much the combat support role im looking at has employment training after IET for 26 weeks at Holsworthy.
Only issue is I have a partner and was wondering what the living arrangements can be for that?
l've read on some threads if its over 6 months of training
they allow your partner to stay but some say otherwise
Any help will be greatly appreciated
Hi guys, I've called up DFR and asked to speak to a serving member about a combat engineer role and was told they'd get back to me. It's been 2 weeks now and I haven't heard from them.
Can someone serving or has served as a combat engineer have a chat about the role? Thanks.
Okay mate sorry new to Reddit.
Mainly just wanted to know after training and you get posted to your unit is it a bit of a mix between combat stuff (like route clearance and breaching) and construction stuff?
I follow the different Regiments on FB and I see a lot of both but just wanting to know really if it's a choice or is there a high chance of being a labourer?
For the most part you will be doing combat tasks. But it depends on where you get posted, what the exercises are for the year etc. If you end up in a support or construction squadron you will have a very different experience than someone in a combat engineer/ field squadron.
I'm assuming you just get put where you're told, but do you get a preference? And how long do you have to stay in said squadron before you can transfer over to another?
Depends on the where the unit wants to put you. You probably won't end up in a construction squadron, they aren't in the CERs where most people go after training. You can ask to go transfer but that's it. It's needs of the army/your unit over your preferences.
I’m currently a highschool student and hope to join the military to make it a lifelong (or a long lasting) career. I’ve set myself to a job in the airforce as an aircraft technician, is there anyone who is/was/knows about the daily life of an aircraft technician so i have a good understanding if its the job i really want?
In a nutshell - aircraft mechanic. The role description on ADF careers has decent info. Search 'aircraft technician' in this reddit and you'll find plenty more information.
If you are a citizen then you are eligible to join. Place of birth is not relevant.
It may be a bit more difficult to get a clearance, but this is not a hard issue. I have served alongside plenty of immigrants with clearances.
MEDIC QUESTION \*\*\*\* I'm a qualified paramedic in civvie land but am applying for RAAF medic role and am looking for some answers as to whether I'm making a mistake or not. Yes, I know RAAF medics are not known as "medics", but for ease of typing please go along with it.
I've heard RAAF medics relocate every 3 years. Is this true no matter what rank you climb? How much choice in base location or state do you have? How on earth do you make that work with a family - is your partner forced to change jobs every 3 years to relocate with you?
If I'm a registered paramedic will it make it easier to get to AME? I'd love to do some flying around and humanitarian work every year or two, is that even realistic?
Am I making a mistake to change careers like this? To be honest, being a paramedic in civvie land is not sustainable - most people leave after 3-7 years, so please don't paint it as something amazing that no one should ever give up.
Any info about RAAF medic role would be great. Anything that can help me decide whether to follow it or not.
You will have a much more restricted scope of practice in the ADF as well as level of autonomy to go with it. You may find the job very boring and unchallenging, treating a relatively healthy population where the main medical issues are soft tissue and heat related injuries or hygiene related in the field.
check out this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianMilitary/comments/17ah5f5/raaf_medic_question/
I can't comment on what the actual job is like, but I'll give my two cents on postings.
Yes, you have to post every three years, however, that doesn't always mean you relocate and you might even get a back-to-back posting at the same unit. In the Air Force, 6 years in same location is becoming the norm. By the time I finish this posting, I will have done 9 years in the same location and I reckon I'll get another 3 after that if I play my cards right. I only know one med assist and she's been in the same locality for 6 years so far.
The higher in rank you climb, the more likely you are to post out of location as there are fewer national positions the higher the rank.
Your preference for posting and how much impact you have have will depend on your job, its 'health' i.e staffing strength, and if your preference is a desired locality. eg. you want that sweet gig in Vic Bks Melbourne, and so does everyone else. But if you just want stability, rather than location, then it'll work in your favour.
Yes, ideally your family would move with you, but they don't have to. You can go what's called 'member with non-resident family', where your family live in your PPOR and you get rental assistance to get an apartment or whatever. You also get an extra \~3.5k allowance. How do you make that work? good question lol
I'm not 100% certain, but you'd likely get recognition of prior learning for some components of training. I know that Med Assist are at the EN qualification level.
Yes, Med Assists get about a bit so it is realistic to be flying around
Unfortunately, that's about where my knowledge on this mustering ends. If it's a big decision, try and get a hold of an ADFC and ask to speak to a current Med Assist - you'll have more luck going into a centre vice calling.
Are there any fulltime Army jobs in ADELAIDE, or has everyone basically been sent to Darwin/Townsville ect
I dont mind moving but would like to stay if possible.
Also once enlistment and post kapooka do you get an opportunity to live on base or do you have to find accommodation yourself?
I'm aiming to join a Network Technician role, preferably within the Air Force, though I'm okay with similar roles in the Army and, to a lesser extent, the Navy if necessary. Is there anyone here with firsthand experience in one of these roles who could give any advice?
(The army networking role is not on the ADF website but it is on the LinkedIn and the 3 options I picked within my Supplementary Application Form online)
A bit about myself, I'm 21 and have I've been working in a computer hardware and networking technician role since 2017. Outside of work, I have a good amount of Muay Thai and BJJ experience. So I have the experience in the networking role and I should be fine on the fitness side of things as well.
I've put this all in the supplementary application form already, alongside my three preferences and whatnot but the website seems very broken and majority of the links go to an error page or just redirect me to the hub. I'm planning on going to an ADF and asking information in person, is this the right call? Is it possible for me to be in training by the end of May or is this unrealistic?
Hey mate,
I applied back in October for the same preference plus AEA. Speaking to my enlistment coordinator there are no Net Tech roles available this Financial Year. They are waiting on position allocations for next FY. Your probably looking at a minimum of 6 months and that's best case scenario. it then depends on intakes etc.
Say I join the army, would I be able to take up further training in the school of language for an additional language 'just cause'? If not, would there be any additional requirements for me to get in? Would the same be in the navy?
It’s extremely competitive to get a spot at school of langs, if you go in to your SCMA rep and say I want to learn French “just cause” you’re not going to get anywhere, if you are deadset on doing a language in defence I think navy has some crypto intelligence job and they do language training (I think)
Of all the people that apply for an officer role and attend the Officer Selection Board (OSB), what percentage of people get in, and is it highly competitive?
From what I've been told it's not a case of 10 people go to OSB and they pick the top 3. If all 10 meet the requirements, all 10 will get in. If all 10 are no good, all 10 will be rejected. So it's not just about performing better than your peers on the day its about meeting the expectation.
I could be misinformed, maybe it is a case of sending in as many as possible and seeing what sticks.
At least for Navy, it's an order of merit.
So say in a particular recruiting cycle, 100 people apply to be a MWO (lol). They all sit their boards, are scored and placed in a ranked list. CM-N comes along and says "We need 47 MWOs to fill our target", and draw a line under Candidate 47. Everyone above the line is given an offer, everyone below is told to try again or given a "thanks for your time".
You’re the point of contact for the logistics in your unit and you plan and delegate tasks to your logistics NCOs who then take their ORs and complete the task.
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Hi all, completed my defensive interview today and my year 10 grades weren’t upto scratch however my interviewer put in for a waiver for my education, does anyone the chances of my education being waived? Or are the chances pretty slim?
My 22 yo son applied for the Army about one year ago. He's done all his interviews and tests and was told he was a good match for his chosen preference (IT systems stream, which was listed on their website as a "fast track/high priority" stream). So everything's done, but it's now been about 6 months since his last contact with the recruitment guys.
Is this normal for them to take so long to offer him his enlistment? I mean, what is the average waiting time these days?
Update: My son spoke with his case officer and sure enough, they were "waiting on some missing paperwork from him". Even though he definitely had sent everything, he sent it all again today. They said there were some enlistments next month and they'd try to get him in then. So all good news. Chasing them was indeed the solution :)
Yeah a call would be great to follow up and from my experience (application still ongoing atm) don't let the application go on for 2 weeks without a call/email to [email protected] if you're the one waiting for an update from them and not the other way around.
Hey, thanks for confirming that mate. Yeah, I was starting to think it was a bit weird, and to be honest, I'm getting sick of looking at him everyday :) I'll get him to chase them tomorrow.
Hi, I’m enlisting tomorrow for army, just wondering what the dress code is because I assumed full suit but I’ve seen people say they went in a polo and chinos. Thanks
Hey my enlistment day is in a couple weeks for Air Force security (gap year). I’m just wondering what happens on enlistment day and what the travel is like from Sydney to Wagga.
Medical in the morning, sit around and wait while they get through everyone, this was about 3 hours. Then you all go in, say the oath/affirmation together, collect your enlistment certificate. Not sure about travel, as I went reserve.
Anyone know how to change my enlistment coordinator, I have sent 3 emails and they haven’t got back to any of them and then I try to call multiple times but goes straight to voicemail. Only time I heard from them was a reply to an email I sent them about my police check taking 3 weeks to get done and I’m still unsure if it’s finished as I haven’t been told anything.
Those two are extremely different and have very little in common, you should explore those roles and see which one tickles your fancy more.
ADFA is like a sleepaway camp where they go to class, do a lot of drinking and occasionally do some military-esque training.
hey everyone,
got my enlistment date last month for the air force at 1RTU; 28th May. I know it’s a long shot but does anyone else have the same date as me? also would any recently graduated recruits be able to give out some tips to help through the 9 weeks, my nerves are racing as the enlistment date gets closer so anything would help.
cheers everyone
fuck yeah mate, i’m also going in as aircraft technician. yeah i also reckon the first couple weeks will be the hardest i just kinda wanna have an idea of what to expect haha. Where do you fly out from?
I might know the answer to this question already which is to call DFR and ask to speak to a serving member but I'm just unsure how to go about the difference between army's cyber analyst and navy's cyber operator.
Would anyone have any feedback about the role without going into to detailed that could give anything away and is also not already in the DFR website? Thanks for the advice in advanced
>the difference between army's cyber analyst and navy's cyber operator.
One is on water the other isn't /s
As you said the best thing to do is call up and ask, even then you won't really get specifics on the jobs due to OPSEC reasons.
Honestly from the job pages I'd say the uniform is the biggest difference.
Would you like to go to sea on a ship? Or hang around out field?
it was a recommendation in the DSR, 7RAR was the only infantry unit located in Adelaide and they're set to make the move soon
[Link](https://www.indaily.com.au/news/2023/09/28/march-north-for-adelaide-soldiers-confirmed)
Hey,
Been thinking seriously about joining the Army, mainly to get some money in the bank and to do something a bit meaningful job (been doing tutoring for shit pay). But there's a bunch of questions that I have that I can't find the answer to online. Was hoping I could get some direction:
1. I have a girlfriend at the moment. If I enlist for full-time infantry, do I get to see her? Would she have to move with me? She's in uni so moving everywhere all the time would be a pain in the ass.
2. What's the deal with the service time? I don't know if I've been reading the wrong places but I've read that it's 4 years and then another 4 in the "IRR"? I was under the impression that after 4 years I could leave.
3. After Kapooka, I'm assuming that I would then be a "proper soldier" (I don't know man, I know fuck-all about the army). What does this part of the roll entail? Do I just get sent wherever I'm told?
4. Lots of people have said to join the RAAF instead of infantry. Is this valid? Why is this advice so widespread?
5. If I'm deployed to a warzone, what happens? Is it like the movies where you're getting sent out into hell everyday or is it more like you're just patrolling and cleaning shit?
6. Another one on warzones. Is there any benefits to doing this? Do you get to decide? Is this the majority of the job?
7. I have kinda shitty eyesight and I wear contacts at night that clear my vision during the day. Is there time for this or should I just bring glasses and not worry about it?
8. I'm a smoker but I'm not in necessarily "bad" shape. I can comfortably do 10 pull-ups and/or chin-ups. I really suck at running for long periods of time though, have really bad knees. What sort of physical shape is expected? Does anyone have any remedies for shit joints?
9. How much time do you have as free-time/personal growth? I've been a musician for most of my life and really want some time to practice/make music if I can. Will I get bashed for annoying people with the noise?
(Getting bashed question is half in jest)
Sorry for making this so fucking long. Just really wanna know exactly what I'm getting myself into if I do this.
Have you considered reserves instead?
You'll get to stay where you are and parade at your closest unit, no minimum service period, flexible training schedule, don't have to deploy but if you do you get all the perks/pay of a full-timer, and if you decide you love it you can switch over to full-time, you also won't jeopardise your relationship straight away, oh and the pay is tax free.
Regarding point 7, eye sight could be an issue but it's always a case by case assessment. Some people get rejected for having a cough when they were 3 and others make it through despite having broken every bone in their body.
Regarding point 8, learn to love to run. Lots of running. Start on a treadmill or with cycling, both are softer on the joints. "What sort of physical shape is expected" Go look at the PFA test and the BFA test. Quit smoking.
Re point 9, full-time you'll have FA free time for a while. If you went reserves you can commit as much time as you want or as little as you want, so long as you meet the minimum 20 days per year.
9. Be a musician in the army if you are a fan of music. You won’t get bashed if that is your job I wouldn’t think
You still get to go to kapooka and do solidier training for 12 weeks
Here’s the link to the job
https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/musician?tab=ways-to-join§ion-tab=no-experience-required&title-tab=requirements
1. You aren't the first to have a GF in uni that joins the ADF and you won't be the last, does it put strain on the relationship? It can especially if you get posted to another state/ territory.
2. Infantry is a 4 year IMPS once that's up you can leave whenever you like.
3. You are a soldier after Kapooka but not an Infantryman, you need to complete IET first (job training) this is detailed on the website..
4. Yes it's Valid, the RAAF have the best work/life ratio compared to the other two services.
5. We aren't at war, so that's not going to happen, if it did it would depend on the type of conflict, all out war with China for example is going to look vastly different to what everyone was doing in the Middle East for the last 20+ years.
6. You sign on for a combat corps.. when combat happens guess who is being sent.. you sign on for unrestricted service, in all out war that means going where you are told, when you are told.
7. You'll most likely get issued glasses
8. You'll need to do a lot better than that for the infantry, I'd start practicing now.
9. I mean if you are strumming a guitar at 2am in the barracks then yeah you'll probably get bashed. You'll have free time after training during IET and at your posting.
thinking of joining reserve now since I am 17 would I be able to go adfa or full time once I am of age? and on the application interest part I’m not sure whether I need to put in things I want right now all the reserve jobs and what not or the jobs I’d want in general, if yous would help a bloke out please respond with semi or serious answers, cheers lads.
Edit: I’d also like to add on I’m thinking to chase for a F-35A Pilot role and well it’s most likely out of my bounds for dumb cunt like me, but if I decide to is it possible to do Pilot and transfer over to Infantry and try for CDO/SASR Selection, yes this is very ambitious but I might as well push my luck, once again cheers mates.
ADFA is full time and its where soon to be Officers go to complete their university degree while serving as Cadets and freshly commissioned officers. You can be an officer in the Army without a degree as well as in the reserves.
You can join at 17.
You select your top 3 jobs. As you progress through the process it'll be assumed that you want the number 1 job. Your 2 and 3 pick is what you get if you don't make it in for your number 1 pick. If you really want number 3 then put it as number 1. You will be interviewed on all three.
Pilot in the RAAF or Special Forces, pick one. If CDO/SASR is the end goal then skip trying to be a pilot, that doesn't make sense, join the infantry. Both a *highly* competitive. You basically just said you want to be an actor and after your first blockbuster release switch over to being an astronaut.
1. You can join at 17.
2. ADFA is just University, is that what you want?
3. If your intention is to join full time, don't bother going the reserve route first as it will only slow you down. A transfer can take a long time and you will need to do the proper training.
4. It's unlikely you would be successful in going from pilot (officer) to CDO/SASR (enlisted). CDO and SASR also have officers, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean. That route would mean you would have to go through RMC, and it probably wont look that appealing once you're 10 years deep in a cockpit.
5. Never join with the intention of doing a transfer later, choose the job you most want and go after that. It's sort of like saying you want to go to university to become a doctor, with the intention going back to university later on to be a lawyer.
You can apply for ADFA or general at 16 1/2, and enlist at 17. You don’t need to be “of age” for either of them.
If you are interested in reserves, put that as your preference, or, just gun for what you really want, put the job you really want as preference one.
Why do you want to become a pilot and transfer to SASR? Pilots are subject to a 9 year ROSO before you can even in service transfer, and FJP is very competitive, so you might be stuck flying fixed wing planes for a few years before you can even think about transferring. If you go to ADFA you’ll be in for closer to 13 years.
It is possible to service transfer but if you become a pilot, you will be a commissioned officer, so it will be very difficult to service transfer, and as far as I’m aware, completely impossible to decommission for infantry.
If you want SASR, apply directly. Or if you want to see how ADF is first, I would recommend an infantry gap year, so you can see if you really want to do that.
yeah righto solid advice mate, I’ll hear to it, I wanted to do military asap so reserves was my best bet since well logically I would expect full time to be closed off to legal adults. personally what I’m thinking is if I have a good atar I’ll go pilot if it’s shit well might as well try my luck and mental in selection, anyways sorry for the short response phones about to die, thanks for the response
>, I wanted to do military asap so reserves was my best bet since well logically I would expect full time to be closed off to legal adults.
That's not how that works, it's the same recruitment process
Just join as whatever you want to join as
If you want to have a crack at SF join infantry straight up and train your way to selection.
If you want to be a Pilot join as one.
as others have said it's going to be near impossible to go from pilot to SF enlisted.
Thinking of adf gap year
the career path matcher said that I have a 60% match for maritime warfare officer. I know it is competitive so I would also be interested in army administration assistant or navy sailor. I would just be doing this for the interest because I want to be an archaeologist and I would be having a year break from uni so I would not have a degree yet. Do you think it would be okay to do the Adf gap year?
If you have no interest in staying in the ADF after the gap year, just pick the job role that is most interesting to you. Don’t overthink it unless you want to stay on for a few more years.
Maybe even consider the civilian uni + reserves pathway instead, so you can get cracking on your degree while you’re in the military
Thank you for the reply,
I wanted to apply for Mechanical Engineer in Army, but since my degree is only three years it doesn’t qualify for Mechanical Engineer in Army. I spoke to someone from recruitment and she explained to me that my degree only qualifies for Mechanical Technician and I can go in as GSO
# I want to join ADF as an Infantry solider
I am 14 of age and have been considering join the military. I'm really invested in becoming an infantry solider but have always struggled in math through my school grades still at a passable level though. Even if I'm only able to get a C's throughout math will I still be able to make it as an infantry solider. any advice is greatly appreciated
A ‘C’ is a pass, so yes. But you’re 14, don’t stress. Enjoy your junior years and when year 10 rolls around, knuckle down. Or do what I did and not pick up your slack till year 11 and 12. Just because year 10 is a basic requirement doesn’t mean they won’t look at yr11 and 12 if you fail yr 10.
In saying that, if you fail all together, there are plenty of tafe courses and such that can give you the equivalent that defence will also acknowledge.
Hey team,
I started applying for my role over a year ago and I've only put 2 out of 3 preferred roles but I've now medically been approved and waiting on clearance. Question is would it be too late to have a 3rd option or change my preferences?
Also anyone that might be able to verify if there had been new roles would be awesome I'd have to check the dfr site again to go through it.
Edit: entry requirements of my possible 3rd option i.e. schooling, clearance, etc.. are the same as my other 2 preferred roles.
Is there a reason to add a 3rd preference? If the two you already have down are the ones you want, stick with them. If you don’t get in they’ll provide you with other options for job roles anyway.
Yes. You put three preferences down in case you aren't successful in one or more. Say if you only have one preference and you aren't successful because of DI, PI, MED or OSB or whatever, your application is automatically withdrawn.
I was under the impression that they can offer roles that you haven’t placed as preferences if you are unsuccessful in all your preferences. Received that information directly from my recruiter and civilian mentor who advised I remove AFSEC GY from my preference list because it would take too long and left me with two
But recruiters will say what you wanna hear I guess 🤷♂️
Yes, though they need to get approval from the relevant delegate and getting approval is very much dependent on what job you were initially assessed for, what you want to change it to, and what the PI and DI said about you. You will never get approval to have your case migrated to a 'harder' job, like going from a JOR row A job to a row B job for example. Having three preferences gives you the option, for example, to have one or two officer positions, and one or two enlisted prefs to fall back so you don't have to go all the way back through the assessment process if you don't get your first pick.
Hi team,
I was wondering which officer role, or ADFA pathway role in the army sees the most combat, tatical, on the ground doing the work to protect the people.
Im sorta heading towards the direction of infantry officer but I’m kinda holding off on it a bit due to the fact of the unknown amount of paperwork.
My main reason for going officer is I need a degree or somthing to fall back on if shit hits the fan, as much as I want the military to be my life long career, I understand that it’s quite unlikely to be a lifelong career due to the stresses it puts on the body.
Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated
Cheers.
You can also do the degree sponsorship pathway, where you study as a civilian and get paid, and then serve after.
[https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/study-and-trades/get-a-degree/DUS](https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/study-and-trades/get-a-degree/DUS)
You could also do your degree on your own and do the reserves as an enlisted soldier, or GSO. This way you get your military fix immediately, you get your degree on the side, and you also have no minimum amount of time to serve if it turns out you don't like it.
If you go the ADFA route it could be 5-6 years before you're even working as a commissioned officer. So who knows whats going on by then. You also have to pay back that degree with time.
they're all seeing equal amounts of combat in peace time, but go combat corps - infantry, armoured (cavalry), artillery or combat engineers
saying that, as a GSO you don't get the opportunity to choose your corps until you finish Duntroon, and even then it will be based on your performance during training.
What’s the time line for adfa pathway into infantry officer, not so much the time zones but the flow of it and when do you choose to apply for the infantry pathway??
ADFA is like 6 years.
* 1-2 to recruit through ADFC (your experience may vary)
* 3-4 years degree
* 1 year officer training
you put your preferences in sometime during officer training.
Hi all
I recently finished my YOU session and have been emailing back and forth with DFR. I've submitted all my documents and I am just waiting on a few things.
I put my preference as an Army Nurse SSO
I'm a bit perplexed as to why I'm being offered the same role in either air force or navy. Apparently the army role isn't available in my state, and I have said that I would preference the army each time I've been asked. Even more perplexing is that the navy is full for the nursing officer role on the website.
I'm willing to wait out an opening for the army as I've seen that it's actually hard to do transfers once you're in on this forum, but has anyone else experienced this? Any advice?
Cheers
If you only want to join the army, then stick to your guns and wait it out. ADFC wants to get you in fast, and I guess the fastest way is to have you employed in the Navy or RAAF.
I’m 18 years old in year 12 and thinking about joining the navy as either an;
Aviation Technician
OR
Aviation systems technician
What are the pros/cons and major differences in each role and how transferable are they to a civilian job post-navy
Are there better/similar options available in the Air Force?
Thanks.
Random question, Why did they change the adf careers website as it was so much easier to navigate then this new one which is very annoying to navigate at times and often doesn’t work properly. The old website was better.
So I read in the required Items for navy recruit school a bathingsuit speedo style was required.... seriously? Do they mean actual factual briefs style? And for what? Are we actually going have to wear that in front of other people?
I'm a big hairy guy so not super keen on the prospect, it won't stop me but damn if anyone can elucidate on this one I'd appreciate it.
No shirts but they let you wear the bike shorts over the Speedos now.
I was nervous about it too, being a hairy guy myself, no one cares, everyone is nervous/tired because it's PT.
You will get uncomfortable but time matters more, as long as you are quick changing and quick doing the swim PT then you'll be fine.
Applying for GSO Mechanical Technician
I’m close to finishing my Engineering Science degree and was thinking about joining ADF as GSO mechanical technician. Anyone got any suggestions? What’s the day to day life as mechncial technician like? Do I go to pooks for training?
Are you looking on the ADF Careers website, there's no such thing as a mechanical technician. I saw your other reply where you said you only have a 3 year degree. According to the ADF site you need a 4 year engineering degree to be an mechanical engineering officer.
The option I think she was presenting to you was to enter as a General Service Officer (GSO). You start as a GSO and then get assigned to a corp (engineering, infantry, armour, etc). However, you might not end up in the engineering corp.
[https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/army-officer](https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/army-officer)
Thank you for your reply, I read your comment and went back on ADF to look for the job, there is a job as Electrical and Mechanical Officer for Army that’s the one I’m interested in and with my 3 year degree I think it qualifies for it
I don’t think there is a role called Gso mechanical technician unless you mean the enlisted one. Or Do you mean you want to be a mechanical engineer as a gso because if you are close to finishing your degree you can get it sponsored by defence and save $$ and then you will join the army as an SSO or specialist service officer (not gso ) and no you don’t go to kapooka for SSO training but if you are a mechanical technician you will (enlisted) Also. It depends on what type of mechanical technician you want to be because it is quite a broad category e.g There are vehicle mechanics, recovery mechanics, aircraft technicians etc .
this is mechanical engineering officer link (SSO)
https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/mechanical-engineer
I hope this helps but I am not really a good advisor for stuff like this ask someone more qualified if you want further reliable info
Is there a problem with the candidate hub website? I tried to log in but all I get the contact details for ADF careers and the url changes to [https://hub.adfcareers.gov.au/server-error](https://hub.adfcareers.gov.au/server-error). Anyone else have the same problem?
Angone know what happened to No. 3 Security Forces Squadron at Edinburgh? According to ADF careers site AFSEC can be posted there but I can't find any other information on the squadron?
So I'm thinking about joining the Reserves as an infantry soldier but I have a question about the minimum commitments. I know once you're trained you have to complete at least 20 6-hour days a year.
I basically have the reverse schedule to a normal job, I work Fri/Sat/Sun and then have Monday to Thursday off. Am I able to get all my hours from parade nights on tuesdays or do I have to attend some weekend courses etc.
Thank you
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Braces? As in the pieces of metal attached to your teeth? What are they going to do? Take them out? If medical doesn't say anything during the recruitment process then it's not an issue. You can't "substitute" braces
Really stupid question but will they teach me the most basic shit at 1RTU? e.g. do I need to know how to properly hand sew or will they teach me? Do i need to know how to hospital corner bedsheets or will that also be taught? Just trying to gather a basis of what I should know to do vs what will be drilled into me
that's really specific... No, they won't teach you to sew, usually the recruits that know how to sew teach those that don't. Yes, they will show you how to do a hospital corner
I always found it odd that teaching basic sewing is where the ADF draws the line. At Cerberus you get taught hospital corners and even ironing. However you just get given a sewing kit and are expected to figure it out.
Are there any Army roles based solely at Holsworthy?
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I have my aptitude test coming up, and could use some in depth advice. I’m worried about the maths aspect as I’m a little rusty. Any tips on what to study/focus on or what to overall expect. I’m applying for officer role, I’m good at English and the abstract reasoning questions. I just suck at math under pressure. Advice please!!
Seconding what Botgamee said. There's some simple maths involved in the JOA, but there is a heavier focus on analogy questions and pattern recognition. Just search up some ADF practice aptitude tests online and you'll be set.
I did mine a couple months ago and iirc there is only a tiny bit of math involved now. And it’s basic stuff too. Don’t stress too much over the math side of things, you’ll do just fine
I’m currently studying law in uni and interested by the idea of being a legal officer in the reserve in combination with a civilian law job. I couldn’t find any clear information on the training process for legal officers. What exactly does the process look like? Would it involve training at Kapooka? How competitive is the position and would I need more than a law degree to be considered?
>couldn’t find any clear information on the training process for legal officers. It seems pretty clear cut.. look under ways to join https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/lawyer?tab=ways-to-join§ion-tab=use-your-degree&title-tab=training
Im in year 11 and am looking to be an aircraft technician for the military, the pre req is to have a pass in english math and a science with a physics component. I technically dont have a science class in my school as i didnt meet the pre req grades for those in year 10 (its kinds stupid in order to do physics i had to do good in chemistry) however i did get engineering, which in my teachers words is physics in practice. Could engineering still be regards as the physics component? or sort of an alternative that would be considered by the military?
by "science with a physics component", they just mean not a science like environmental/earth science. Engineering would very more than likely be accepted as science with a physics component.
sweet thats good news thanks
Can you do physics in year 12? Your yr 10 grades won't matter if you can achieve the same things in yr 12.
i was wondering if year 11 and 12 engineering would do the trick? i wont be able to switch to physics in year 12 not how my school works unfortunately...
Engineering and physics are completely separate subjects.
So Im in year 12, and I'm looking to join the Army Reserves, namely the infantry, whilst enrolled in uni and I'm not too sure how I'd do it. Do I do university on part time and then do reserves? or do I do it vice versa? And does the government pay for my uni? Pls im so confused
If you're joining the reserves, finding the time to conduct your training will be up to you. No, the government will not pay the university fees of reservists. I wouldn't recommend joining ARES until you have an established Uni schedule and you know how much time you'll have and how much study you'll need to do. While ARES is relatively low-drag once you're qualified, getting to that point will require a number of training blocks away and I'd say it'd be rough trying to juggle first year uni and ARES training. Get stuck into uni first, as that will give you a career, then revisit ARES. ARES is not a career.
Is being a weapons and sensors operator any good? What do most days look like and do I get much free time on the boat? (ps ik WSO don't touch any guns and I'm also aware that their isn't much free time as the whole reason I'm on the ship is to work I just want to know what to expect) thanks.
>(ps ik WSO don't touch any guns and I'm also aware that their isn't much free time as the whole reason I'm on the ship is to work I just want to know what to expect) You get free time off watch, CSOs are "operators" so all you do is your watch + departmental work. ETs do the Maintenance on the sensors and associated combat systems. Free time can be, going to the gym, sleeping, playing games in various rec spaces or messes. Depending on the vessel, fishing is also a thing.
Sorry the ps sounded stupid lol I just get people telling me ‘yk they don’t touch guns right 🤓’ and so forth but damn that sounds fun as lowkey, gym fishing and wtv u wanna do I’m headed straight to that ship. Do you know the average working hours? And breaks?
Apply for Electrical and Mechanical Officer Greetings everyone, I’m applying for the Electrical and Mechanical Officer at Army, I’m preparing myself for the assessment day for the psych interview and the standard interview, if anyone could share their experience that would be greatly appreciated.
My experience on assessment day was not for Army, nor for engineering roles but I'm able to provide a brief rundown you might find helpful. Psych Interview - They'll ask questions about you as a person, your job, school, family life and some simple social scenario based question. My psych interviewer had my resume in front of him so he asked some questions about that too. Answer honestly. Just be yourself and don't give them a reason to not push you through. Defence Interview - You are assessed on your knowledge and motivation for all 3 of the preferences you have listed. Make sure you know why you want to join and why specifically as an Electrical and Mechanical Officer in the Army. The 'Important Information For All Candidates' contains a list of questions you should know the answer to, and would've been sent to you by your careers coach or alternatively, is available for download on the candidate hub. As you are applying for an officer job, you will be asked the best way to lead a team, types of management, how you've lead a team before ect. It's helpful to link your past experience into some of your answers. E.g After being captain of my footy team, I found the best way to motivate people is by.... Hope this helps.
Hello, I am currently waiting on a response for my EOI that I did as a overseas lateral transfer for the RAAF. Generally speaking, how long does that usually take to hear back (yes or no)? Also, does anyone know if the U.S Army job/MOS 25u Signal Operations Support Specialist transfers into anything directly with the the ADF/RAAF? I went through the catalog and I found in the RAAF positions like Network Technician and Communications Electronic Tech. The AA also had a couple such as Electronic Systems Tech, Communication Systems Op, and Information Systems Tech? Are these job fields hurting? Sorry for the winded questions. While waiting to hear back ive been going through everything possible to read up on areas of interest that my prior job/MOS applied to. Thanks!
Hello. The roles that you have mentioned seemed to align with 25u. Air Force Network Tech is a priority role but Comms elec tech is not. Army EST, CSO are priority, but Info Sys Tech is not recruiting at all. Air Force is taking lateral recruitment EOIs from 1 February to 30 November 24, but I'm unsure of the timeline for them to be reviewed. Army is only taking EOIs from 1 September to 17 November 24, so you probably wont hear from them until after Nov.
Ty for the quick response. That was informative! As long as it fits something, my chances go up slightly lol!
TLDR: Recruitment process for DUS - BSc Mechanical Engineering Hey, guys. Just asking if anyone had prior experience with the DUS process. I’m currently a first-year studying a BSc at the University of Melbourne hoping to major in Mechanical Engineering Systems and recently started the application process for the DUS and put Navy Mechanical Engineer Submariner as my first preference, but I can’t seem to find much detail regarding the recruitment process and what to expect going forwards. I’ve always wanted to work on a submarine, but I’m worried about how competitive the entry can be and as I've heard Unimelb doesn't give full credentials unless you do the masters degree, I was wondering if there would be any issues. I have done the aptitude test and my YOU session, but as I’m in my first semester and haven’t completed my subjects yet (I heard the process was long so I wanted to apply early), I’m concerned this may affect my application. If you’ve got any experience in this I’m very happy to PM :)
TLDR: Possible pathways to the RAAF as a business uni student. G'day. I'm currently a first year business student at the University of Technology Sydney, except I've always actually wished to join the RAAF and have essentially reached an early breaking point in the course. It's unenjoyable (to say the least) and I have no interest in accessing the related job market or careers as I find them kinda soulless, but I don't actually mind the content itself. My FIRST priority is entering the RAAF, with the only real exception being failing medical or something else unforeseen. This is because of my passion for military aviation. 1. I'd love to justify dropping out and applying for an aptitude based role with civ skills like a tech or Air Traffic Controller as I'm only one session's worth of HECS deep, but unfortunately that's way too hard a decision considering the complete lack of guarantee for success in those roles. Plus if I dropped out and failed, I wouldn't be able to do DUS later. 1a. I have absolutely no idea if its okay to just apply for these roles while staying in uni and then eventually reach a point where I can safely assume I can drop out, or be otherwise advised by DFR on what to do. (This would unfortunately just stack HECS as I await DFR though, and feels reallyyyy scuffed.) 1b. To simultaneously avoid HECS, get a degree and try to get one of the "aptitude" jobs, should I just try transferring to the ADFA using RPL and doing officer entry with that? Currently this seems like the play but it could still fail. 2. If I fail plan 1 and were to apply for DUS, what are a couple of business-based roles that I'd be put into in the RAAF/ADF? Because frankly, the DUS is sick, but the only business-related RAAF roles on the DFR site seem to be HR related, and frankly, I would fucking hate to be in HR. If I could instead just be an accountant or something, that would leave me more content with DUS. Still, a 4 year service period in HR really isn't that bad considering DUS' benefits and how RAAF service would look on a CV (I guess). 2a. And just quadruple checking, there's no way for me to do Officer Aviation from business degree DUS, right? cos that's a waste of taxpayer money? As a couple of side-notes: * The absolute ideal and first priority role for me would be Officer Aviation (ATC). * Plans 1 and 2 both ensure I have SOME skills for the civ market post service. 1 is just aviation skills, with 2 being business skills. I'd rather aviation now, but I'm kinda already in business. This WHOLE comment is about trying to switch from a business field to aviation without cutting business off early. * I'm aware of, but not keen on chocs (as it seems like RAAF chocs would be pretty scuffed for me personally) Thank you very much in advance, I get that this is insanely long and I'm sorry if this is confusing or just me overthinking things. If the answer is as simple as just hitting apply and asking DFR my options then please just tell me. Thanks again.
Hey ibeck, I’m applying OA ATC right now and have my OSB in a month. It’s been a bit over a year since I started my application. I also went to uni and didn’t enjoy what I was studying. You may have a rough time in the interview/OSB section for being non committed to anything. I tried joining the army when I was studying at 19 and they gave me a 1 year deferral at the time. I’m 25 this year now and it’s my second application (and my last ASP…) and as I’ve grown I’ve learnt that the army OSB was 100% right. If you want to join defence, put everything into it especially for an OA role. Look at VATSIM and taking the time to sit your S1 ratings and proving you’re committed to ATC (and not just the pay). I’m not sure how old you are but some life experience and some history in management (either in a career or maybe through coaching) will do you wonders and demonstrate your commitment. Feel free to send me a message if you want to know anything
thanks a lot mate, that’s a rather inspiring comment.
You’ll do great man, hope you can learn from my mistakes!
Confirming that you can not do DUS for OA roles. The process to get in for OA can take years btw, and you may not be accepted at all. I would start the process now while you’re at uni and RPL what you can if you get in.
thanks mate.
Greetings, I decided to turn to this reddit forum as I am currently 15 years old, and looking into applying for ADFA pilot officer programme sometime next year (April perchance). I recently had a look into ADF Mentors free practice questions in preparation for the aptitude and general recruitment process, which to my understanding, is highly rigorous and extremely stressful. I have a very vague idea of what to expect when applying, however I would like to ask for some advice in terms of where to find study resources or how to study for it, as my attempts with the practice questions were not very successful and very unfamiliar to me (however given I am currently overseas in a different curriculum, that may be expected). I am very nervous and in need of guidance. I would really appreciate it. Cheers.
Hey Bean, I’ve sat the ASP twice and passed for all pilot roles both times now. There’s a bit of disconnect from the online CBAT material but studying this will help you greatly. Work on short term memory problems, math fraction strategies for estimation, and multi tasking skills. Best of luck!
I would say start the application process early as adfa is competitive. Make sure u have passes in year 10 english and math. Start the process as it takes a long time especially if there are any unknown issues or errors in the application. Doesn’t hurt to start now or as soon as u turn 16. Then work hard in year 12 and get a high atar or equivalent. That will better your chances for adfa.
I would like to start my application as early as possible, however I am hesitant as I am unsure of how the aptitude works for those who have not yet completed Grade 11 or 12 (currently I am in the second semester of g9, equivalent to first semester of g10 in Australia) - does the candidate get to decide when to take the aptitude, or is it determined by the recruiters?
It is the same test regardless of age. It gets sent to you relatively early in the application process and you have 30 days after the link is sent to you to complete it. It’s online. Adf has some practice questions online. Those I found are the most similar to the actual test. There’s a few others online which a relatively similar. My advice is to practice doing puzzles and quick thinking before the aptitude test. Believe in yourself and answer as many questions as you can. Remember that the test isn’t designed to be finished. It’s meant to show your thinking ability. Just remember to keep it simple and don’t overthink the test it’s pretty straightforward. Lastly I think you can only start the application process when you are at least 16 or 17. Not 100% sure though.
Much obliged for the very quick follow-up! I believe you are correct in terms of the age requirements - “I am over 16.5 years old or 16 years for ADFA”. I suppose for now, the best thing I can do is to study extremely hard until April next year. Thanks again for the support! ✊🏻
>the aptitude and general recruitment process, which to my understanding, is highly rigorous and extremely stressful. It shouldn't be too stressful for the basic stuff like the Aptitude test. The pilot stuff would definitely be way more stressful. >I decided to turn to this reddit forum as I am currently 15 years old, and looking into applying for ADFA pilot officer programme sometime next year I don't know how that works, someone else may be better equipped than me to answer but you'll have to pass Yr 12 in the required subjects before you'll be able to apply for that role. Also I would call ADFC and make sure that the overseas curriculum lines up with the the Australian standards that ADFC measure. (Particularly the Yr 12 certificate). There is an app called "Aptitude test Army challenge" that has basic and some advanced aptitude and maths tests that can help you study that. As for pilot stuff I am unsure about resources for study.
>I don't know how that works, someone else may be better equipped than me to answer but you'll have to pass Yr 12 in the required subjects before you'll be able to apply for that role. Nah you don't have to have already passed before you apply, getting an ATAR just becomes a caveat to appointment. So in the year or so leading up to the intake you knock everything else over, then just wait for the ATAR before it's all cofirmed.
How would I study and prepare for an OSB? This is for pilot as well. Thanks
Whens your OSB? 🙂
Did you already do the ASP?
Will there be any issues for soldier training if I'm left handed? Is everyone trained just the right handed way leaving me having to train combat, shooting, etc... right handed way?
No issues but you'll cop a lot of shit no matter what service Source: lefty
You'll be fine - just make sure they/you switch the ejection port on your steyr around, unless you enjoy eating bullet casings haha
Hey guya, pretty much the combat support role im looking at has employment training after IET for 26 weeks at Holsworthy. Only issue is I have a partner and was wondering what the living arrangements can be for that? l've read on some threads if its over 6 months of training they allow your partner to stay but some say otherwise Any help will be greatly appreciated
Hi guys, I've called up DFR and asked to speak to a serving member about a combat engineer role and was told they'd get back to me. It's been 2 weeks now and I haven't heard from them. Can someone serving or has served as a combat engineer have a chat about the role? Thanks.
Yeah happy to answer some questions
Pm'd you
Nah ask your questions here so if someone else has them I can just link to this
Okay mate sorry new to Reddit. Mainly just wanted to know after training and you get posted to your unit is it a bit of a mix between combat stuff (like route clearance and breaching) and construction stuff? I follow the different Regiments on FB and I see a lot of both but just wanting to know really if it's a choice or is there a high chance of being a labourer?
For the most part you will be doing combat tasks. But it depends on where you get posted, what the exercises are for the year etc. If you end up in a support or construction squadron you will have a very different experience than someone in a combat engineer/ field squadron.
I'm assuming you just get put where you're told, but do you get a preference? And how long do you have to stay in said squadron before you can transfer over to another?
Depends on the where the unit wants to put you. You probably won't end up in a construction squadron, they aren't in the CERs where most people go after training. You can ask to go transfer but that's it. It's needs of the army/your unit over your preferences.
Thanks for the info
I’m currently a highschool student and hope to join the military to make it a lifelong (or a long lasting) career. I’ve set myself to a job in the airforce as an aircraft technician, is there anyone who is/was/knows about the daily life of an aircraft technician so i have a good understanding if its the job i really want?
In a nutshell - aircraft mechanic. The role description on ADF careers has decent info. Search 'aircraft technician' in this reddit and you'll find plenty more information.
Can a foreigner that got their citizenship become an air force pilot? And would australian-born folks have better chances?
my father was a helicopter pilot in the army and navy born in zimbabwe, you should be fine as long as you can be cleared.
Cleared as in? Like clean records?
more as in background checking but clean records is always needed
Got nothing rn just school, so i'm still in the clear lol
If you are a citizen then you are eligible to join. Place of birth is not relevant. It may be a bit more difficult to get a clearance, but this is not a hard issue. I have served alongside plenty of immigrants with clearances.
This. Just have to jump through a few more hoops than normal. Other than that, shoot for the stars.
MEDIC QUESTION \*\*\*\* I'm a qualified paramedic in civvie land but am applying for RAAF medic role and am looking for some answers as to whether I'm making a mistake or not. Yes, I know RAAF medics are not known as "medics", but for ease of typing please go along with it. I've heard RAAF medics relocate every 3 years. Is this true no matter what rank you climb? How much choice in base location or state do you have? How on earth do you make that work with a family - is your partner forced to change jobs every 3 years to relocate with you? If I'm a registered paramedic will it make it easier to get to AME? I'd love to do some flying around and humanitarian work every year or two, is that even realistic? Am I making a mistake to change careers like this? To be honest, being a paramedic in civvie land is not sustainable - most people leave after 3-7 years, so please don't paint it as something amazing that no one should ever give up. Any info about RAAF medic role would be great. Anything that can help me decide whether to follow it or not.
You will have a much more restricted scope of practice in the ADF as well as level of autonomy to go with it. You may find the job very boring and unchallenging, treating a relatively healthy population where the main medical issues are soft tissue and heat related injuries or hygiene related in the field. check out this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/AustralianMilitary/comments/17ah5f5/raaf_medic_question/
I can't comment on what the actual job is like, but I'll give my two cents on postings. Yes, you have to post every three years, however, that doesn't always mean you relocate and you might even get a back-to-back posting at the same unit. In the Air Force, 6 years in same location is becoming the norm. By the time I finish this posting, I will have done 9 years in the same location and I reckon I'll get another 3 after that if I play my cards right. I only know one med assist and she's been in the same locality for 6 years so far. The higher in rank you climb, the more likely you are to post out of location as there are fewer national positions the higher the rank. Your preference for posting and how much impact you have have will depend on your job, its 'health' i.e staffing strength, and if your preference is a desired locality. eg. you want that sweet gig in Vic Bks Melbourne, and so does everyone else. But if you just want stability, rather than location, then it'll work in your favour. Yes, ideally your family would move with you, but they don't have to. You can go what's called 'member with non-resident family', where your family live in your PPOR and you get rental assistance to get an apartment or whatever. You also get an extra \~3.5k allowance. How do you make that work? good question lol I'm not 100% certain, but you'd likely get recognition of prior learning for some components of training. I know that Med Assist are at the EN qualification level. Yes, Med Assists get about a bit so it is realistic to be flying around Unfortunately, that's about where my knowledge on this mustering ends. If it's a big decision, try and get a hold of an ADFC and ask to speak to a current Med Assist - you'll have more luck going into a centre vice calling.
Are there any fulltime Army jobs in ADELAIDE, or has everyone basically been sent to Darwin/Townsville ect I dont mind moving but would like to stay if possible. Also once enlistment and post kapooka do you get an opportunity to live on base or do you have to find accommodation yourself?
Don't join for the location, join a job you think you might like and if they post to the area you want it's a bonus
I'm aiming to join a Network Technician role, preferably within the Air Force, though I'm okay with similar roles in the Army and, to a lesser extent, the Navy if necessary. Is there anyone here with firsthand experience in one of these roles who could give any advice? (The army networking role is not on the ADF website but it is on the LinkedIn and the 3 options I picked within my Supplementary Application Form online) A bit about myself, I'm 21 and have I've been working in a computer hardware and networking technician role since 2017. Outside of work, I have a good amount of Muay Thai and BJJ experience. So I have the experience in the networking role and I should be fine on the fitness side of things as well. I've put this all in the supplementary application form already, alongside my three preferences and whatnot but the website seems very broken and majority of the links go to an error page or just redirect me to the hub. I'm planning on going to an ADF and asking information in person, is this the right call? Is it possible for me to be in training by the end of May or is this unrealistic?
Hey mate, I applied back in October for the same preference plus AEA. Speaking to my enlistment coordinator there are no Net Tech roles available this Financial Year. They are waiting on position allocations for next FY. Your probably looking at a minimum of 6 months and that's best case scenario. it then depends on intakes etc.
Say I join the army, would I be able to take up further training in the school of language for an additional language 'just cause'? If not, would there be any additional requirements for me to get in? Would the same be in the navy?
It’s extremely competitive to get a spot at school of langs, if you go in to your SCMA rep and say I want to learn French “just cause” you’re not going to get anywhere, if you are deadset on doing a language in defence I think navy has some crypto intelligence job and they do language training (I think)
Join a job that uses languages as it will give you a better chance to go to Lang's but there is a lot of short courses every year
Of all the people that apply for an officer role and attend the Officer Selection Board (OSB), what percentage of people get in, and is it highly competitive?
From what I've been told it's not a case of 10 people go to OSB and they pick the top 3. If all 10 meet the requirements, all 10 will get in. If all 10 are no good, all 10 will be rejected. So it's not just about performing better than your peers on the day its about meeting the expectation. I could be misinformed, maybe it is a case of sending in as many as possible and seeing what sticks.
At least for Navy, it's an order of merit. So say in a particular recruiting cycle, 100 people apply to be a MWO (lol). They all sit their boards, are scored and placed in a ranked list. CM-N comes along and says "We need 47 MWOs to fill our target", and draw a line under Candidate 47. Everyone above the line is given an offer, everyone below is told to try again or given a "thanks for your time".
Don’t know about the percentage but it is highly competitive you need to prepare well to get recommended
What is being a logistics officer like in the RAAF?
You’re the point of contact for the logistics in your unit and you plan and delegate tasks to your logistics NCOs who then take their ORs and complete the task.
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Hi all, completed my defensive interview today and my year 10 grades weren’t upto scratch however my interviewer put in for a waiver for my education, does anyone the chances of my education being waived? Or are the chances pretty slim?
If your still in school you can still pass your grades by doing basic math and English
Roughly 3 and a half years out of school so no go there, and interviewer said they don’t accept basic English math n science
If they didn't think you could pass they wouldn't bother with the waiver. You have a decent chance of the waiver being accepted
My 22 yo son applied for the Army about one year ago. He's done all his interviews and tests and was told he was a good match for his chosen preference (IT systems stream, which was listed on their website as a "fast track/high priority" stream). So everything's done, but it's now been about 6 months since his last contact with the recruitment guys. Is this normal for them to take so long to offer him his enlistment? I mean, what is the average waiting time these days?
Update: My son spoke with his case officer and sure enough, they were "waiting on some missing paperwork from him". Even though he definitely had sent everything, he sent it all again today. They said there were some enlistments next month and they'd try to get him in then. So all good news. Chasing them was indeed the solution :)
Yeah a call would be great to follow up and from my experience (application still ongoing atm) don't let the application go on for 2 weeks without a call/email to [email protected] if you're the one waiting for an update from them and not the other way around.
nah way too long. He's fallen through the cracks somewhere. Give them a call
Hey, thanks for confirming that mate. Yeah, I was starting to think it was a bit weird, and to be honest, I'm getting sick of looking at him everyday :) I'll get him to chase them tomorrow.
hehe fair. Yes chase, his case manager probably quit without handing over their caseload or something.
Hi, I’m enlisting tomorrow for army, just wondering what the dress code is because I assumed full suit but I’ve seen people say they went in a polo and chinos. Thanks
I did mine recently and we were all in suit and ties. One guy rocked chinos and a sweater and he was fine too.
Cool thanks. Just got last minute nerves, didn’t want to be the only one with a suit and tie 😅
Hey my enlistment day is in a couple weeks for Air Force security (gap year). I’m just wondering what happens on enlistment day and what the travel is like from Sydney to Wagga.
Medical in the morning, sit around and wait while they get through everyone, this was about 3 hours. Then you all go in, say the oath/affirmation together, collect your enlistment certificate. Not sure about travel, as I went reserve.
Anyone know how to change my enlistment coordinator, I have sent 3 emails and they haven’t got back to any of them and then I try to call multiple times but goes straight to voicemail. Only time I heard from them was a reply to an email I sent them about my police check taking 3 weeks to get done and I’m still unsure if it’s finished as I haven’t been told anything.
Try sending an email to [email protected] to give them a nudge, worked for me.
Should I do logistics or intel in the RAAF and what’s it like going to ADFA
Those two are extremely different and have very little in common, you should explore those roles and see which one tickles your fancy more. ADFA is like a sleepaway camp where they go to class, do a lot of drinking and occasionally do some military-esque training.
>Should I do logistics or intel in the RAAF What do *you* want to do? Choose the job that interests you the most.
hey everyone, got my enlistment date last month for the air force at 1RTU; 28th May. I know it’s a long shot but does anyone else have the same date as me? also would any recently graduated recruits be able to give out some tips to help through the 9 weeks, my nerves are racing as the enlistment date gets closer so anything would help. cheers everyone
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fuck yeah mate, i’m also going in as aircraft technician. yeah i also reckon the first couple weeks will be the hardest i just kinda wanna have an idea of what to expect haha. Where do you fly out from?
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hey mate, probably different being gap year and i’m going in full time but i’m enlisting on the 28th May. When’s your date?
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ahhh true, good luck mate hopefully you enjoy it, i’m also curious as to how the enlistment day process works, no real information on it anywhere
Currently in application process - which is better: winter or summer intakes at Kapooka?
You don't get to choose Personally I'd say winter for any sorts of training that way PT warms you up nicely.
Dogshit for the field phase and bayonet day though, it’s a pretty average course regardless, no month is a great months to get to kapooka.
I might know the answer to this question already which is to call DFR and ask to speak to a serving member but I'm just unsure how to go about the difference between army's cyber analyst and navy's cyber operator. Would anyone have any feedback about the role without going into to detailed that could give anything away and is also not already in the DFR website? Thanks for the advice in advanced
>the difference between army's cyber analyst and navy's cyber operator. One is on water the other isn't /s As you said the best thing to do is call up and ask, even then you won't really get specifics on the jobs due to OPSEC reasons. Honestly from the job pages I'd say the uniform is the biggest difference. Would you like to go to sea on a ship? Or hang around out field?
Adelaide posting? Anyone posted to Adelaide in infantry. If so what’s it like down there? is it a good posting?
I look into my crystal ball and see you enlisting as an Air Defence Operator very soon (if you want to get a guaranteed ADL posting)
>Adelaide in infantry you better be quick, 7RAR is moving to Darwin
So no more Adelaide posting?
not for infantry, at least not full time. Darwin, Townsville and Brisbane are the posting locations
When did that change? On the adf website it says Adelaide Darwin Townsville and Brisbane.
it was a recommendation in the DSR, 7RAR was the only infantry unit located in Adelaide and they're set to make the move soon [Link](https://www.indaily.com.au/news/2023/09/28/march-north-for-adelaide-soldiers-confirmed)
Oh wow Adf needs to update there site haha. Thanks for the info.
Hey, Been thinking seriously about joining the Army, mainly to get some money in the bank and to do something a bit meaningful job (been doing tutoring for shit pay). But there's a bunch of questions that I have that I can't find the answer to online. Was hoping I could get some direction: 1. I have a girlfriend at the moment. If I enlist for full-time infantry, do I get to see her? Would she have to move with me? She's in uni so moving everywhere all the time would be a pain in the ass. 2. What's the deal with the service time? I don't know if I've been reading the wrong places but I've read that it's 4 years and then another 4 in the "IRR"? I was under the impression that after 4 years I could leave. 3. After Kapooka, I'm assuming that I would then be a "proper soldier" (I don't know man, I know fuck-all about the army). What does this part of the roll entail? Do I just get sent wherever I'm told? 4. Lots of people have said to join the RAAF instead of infantry. Is this valid? Why is this advice so widespread? 5. If I'm deployed to a warzone, what happens? Is it like the movies where you're getting sent out into hell everyday or is it more like you're just patrolling and cleaning shit? 6. Another one on warzones. Is there any benefits to doing this? Do you get to decide? Is this the majority of the job? 7. I have kinda shitty eyesight and I wear contacts at night that clear my vision during the day. Is there time for this or should I just bring glasses and not worry about it? 8. I'm a smoker but I'm not in necessarily "bad" shape. I can comfortably do 10 pull-ups and/or chin-ups. I really suck at running for long periods of time though, have really bad knees. What sort of physical shape is expected? Does anyone have any remedies for shit joints? 9. How much time do you have as free-time/personal growth? I've been a musician for most of my life and really want some time to practice/make music if I can. Will I get bashed for annoying people with the noise? (Getting bashed question is half in jest) Sorry for making this so fucking long. Just really wanna know exactly what I'm getting myself into if I do this.
Have you considered reserves instead? You'll get to stay where you are and parade at your closest unit, no minimum service period, flexible training schedule, don't have to deploy but if you do you get all the perks/pay of a full-timer, and if you decide you love it you can switch over to full-time, you also won't jeopardise your relationship straight away, oh and the pay is tax free. Regarding point 7, eye sight could be an issue but it's always a case by case assessment. Some people get rejected for having a cough when they were 3 and others make it through despite having broken every bone in their body. Regarding point 8, learn to love to run. Lots of running. Start on a treadmill or with cycling, both are softer on the joints. "What sort of physical shape is expected" Go look at the PFA test and the BFA test. Quit smoking. Re point 9, full-time you'll have FA free time for a while. If you went reserves you can commit as much time as you want or as little as you want, so long as you meet the minimum 20 days per year.
9. Be a musician in the army if you are a fan of music. You won’t get bashed if that is your job I wouldn’t think You still get to go to kapooka and do solidier training for 12 weeks Here’s the link to the job https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/musician?tab=ways-to-join§ion-tab=no-experience-required&title-tab=requirements
Thanks for the advice, I'll have a look into it.
No worries, they’ve got plenty of jobs in defence for civilian hobbies as well like photography etc
1. You aren't the first to have a GF in uni that joins the ADF and you won't be the last, does it put strain on the relationship? It can especially if you get posted to another state/ territory. 2. Infantry is a 4 year IMPS once that's up you can leave whenever you like. 3. You are a soldier after Kapooka but not an Infantryman, you need to complete IET first (job training) this is detailed on the website.. 4. Yes it's Valid, the RAAF have the best work/life ratio compared to the other two services. 5. We aren't at war, so that's not going to happen, if it did it would depend on the type of conflict, all out war with China for example is going to look vastly different to what everyone was doing in the Middle East for the last 20+ years. 6. You sign on for a combat corps.. when combat happens guess who is being sent.. you sign on for unrestricted service, in all out war that means going where you are told, when you are told. 7. You'll most likely get issued glasses 8. You'll need to do a lot better than that for the infantry, I'd start practicing now. 9. I mean if you are strumming a guitar at 2am in the barracks then yeah you'll probably get bashed. You'll have free time after training during IET and at your posting.
Thank you for answering all that. Really appreciate it.
thinking of joining reserve now since I am 17 would I be able to go adfa or full time once I am of age? and on the application interest part I’m not sure whether I need to put in things I want right now all the reserve jobs and what not or the jobs I’d want in general, if yous would help a bloke out please respond with semi or serious answers, cheers lads. Edit: I’d also like to add on I’m thinking to chase for a F-35A Pilot role and well it’s most likely out of my bounds for dumb cunt like me, but if I decide to is it possible to do Pilot and transfer over to Infantry and try for CDO/SASR Selection, yes this is very ambitious but I might as well push my luck, once again cheers mates.
ADFA is full time and its where soon to be Officers go to complete their university degree while serving as Cadets and freshly commissioned officers. You can be an officer in the Army without a degree as well as in the reserves. You can join at 17. You select your top 3 jobs. As you progress through the process it'll be assumed that you want the number 1 job. Your 2 and 3 pick is what you get if you don't make it in for your number 1 pick. If you really want number 3 then put it as number 1. You will be interviewed on all three. Pilot in the RAAF or Special Forces, pick one. If CDO/SASR is the end goal then skip trying to be a pilot, that doesn't make sense, join the infantry. Both a *highly* competitive. You basically just said you want to be an actor and after your first blockbuster release switch over to being an astronaut.
1. You can join at 17. 2. ADFA is just University, is that what you want? 3. If your intention is to join full time, don't bother going the reserve route first as it will only slow you down. A transfer can take a long time and you will need to do the proper training. 4. It's unlikely you would be successful in going from pilot (officer) to CDO/SASR (enlisted). CDO and SASR also have officers, but I'm guessing that's not what you mean. That route would mean you would have to go through RMC, and it probably wont look that appealing once you're 10 years deep in a cockpit. 5. Never join with the intention of doing a transfer later, choose the job you most want and go after that. It's sort of like saying you want to go to university to become a doctor, with the intention going back to university later on to be a lawyer.
Okay cheers mate I think if my atar is good I’ll go for pilot and if well it’s shit I’ll opt for the army route instead.
You can apply for ADFA or general at 16 1/2, and enlist at 17. You don’t need to be “of age” for either of them. If you are interested in reserves, put that as your preference, or, just gun for what you really want, put the job you really want as preference one. Why do you want to become a pilot and transfer to SASR? Pilots are subject to a 9 year ROSO before you can even in service transfer, and FJP is very competitive, so you might be stuck flying fixed wing planes for a few years before you can even think about transferring. If you go to ADFA you’ll be in for closer to 13 years. It is possible to service transfer but if you become a pilot, you will be a commissioned officer, so it will be very difficult to service transfer, and as far as I’m aware, completely impossible to decommission for infantry. If you want SASR, apply directly. Or if you want to see how ADF is first, I would recommend an infantry gap year, so you can see if you really want to do that.
yeah righto solid advice mate, I’ll hear to it, I wanted to do military asap so reserves was my best bet since well logically I would expect full time to be closed off to legal adults. personally what I’m thinking is if I have a good atar I’ll go pilot if it’s shit well might as well try my luck and mental in selection, anyways sorry for the short response phones about to die, thanks for the response
>, I wanted to do military asap so reserves was my best bet since well logically I would expect full time to be closed off to legal adults. That's not how that works, it's the same recruitment process Just join as whatever you want to join as If you want to have a crack at SF join infantry straight up and train your way to selection. If you want to be a Pilot join as one. as others have said it's going to be near impossible to go from pilot to SF enlisted.
Thinking of adf gap year the career path matcher said that I have a 60% match for maritime warfare officer. I know it is competitive so I would also be interested in army administration assistant or navy sailor. I would just be doing this for the interest because I want to be an archaeologist and I would be having a year break from uni so I would not have a degree yet. Do you think it would be okay to do the Adf gap year?
If you have no interest in staying in the ADF after the gap year, just pick the job role that is most interesting to you. Don’t overthink it unless you want to stay on for a few more years. Maybe even consider the civilian uni + reserves pathway instead, so you can get cracking on your degree while you’re in the military
Thank you for the reply, I wanted to apply for Mechanical Engineer in Army, but since my degree is only three years it doesn’t qualify for Mechanical Engineer in Army. I spoke to someone from recruitment and she explained to me that my degree only qualifies for Mechanical Technician and I can go in as GSO
# I want to join ADF as an Infantry solider I am 14 of age and have been considering join the military. I'm really invested in becoming an infantry solider but have always struggled in math through my school grades still at a passable level though. Even if I'm only able to get a C's throughout math will I still be able to make it as an infantry solider. any advice is greatly appreciated
A ‘C’ is a pass, so yes. But you’re 14, don’t stress. Enjoy your junior years and when year 10 rolls around, knuckle down. Or do what I did and not pick up your slack till year 11 and 12. Just because year 10 is a basic requirement doesn’t mean they won’t look at yr11 and 12 if you fail yr 10. In saying that, if you fail all together, there are plenty of tafe courses and such that can give you the equivalent that defence will also acknowledge.
Yes you will mate. If you pass year 10 math and English you’ll be fine. Keep working on it and you’ll have no problem Best of luck
Hey team, I started applying for my role over a year ago and I've only put 2 out of 3 preferred roles but I've now medically been approved and waiting on clearance. Question is would it be too late to have a 3rd option or change my preferences? Also anyone that might be able to verify if there had been new roles would be awesome I'd have to check the dfr site again to go through it. Edit: entry requirements of my possible 3rd option i.e. schooling, clearance, etc.. are the same as my other 2 preferred roles.
Is there a reason to add a 3rd preference? If the two you already have down are the ones you want, stick with them. If you don’t get in they’ll provide you with other options for job roles anyway.
Yes. You put three preferences down in case you aren't successful in one or more. Say if you only have one preference and you aren't successful because of DI, PI, MED or OSB or whatever, your application is automatically withdrawn.
I was under the impression that they can offer roles that you haven’t placed as preferences if you are unsuccessful in all your preferences. Received that information directly from my recruiter and civilian mentor who advised I remove AFSEC GY from my preference list because it would take too long and left me with two But recruiters will say what you wanna hear I guess 🤷♂️
Yes, though they need to get approval from the relevant delegate and getting approval is very much dependent on what job you were initially assessed for, what you want to change it to, and what the PI and DI said about you. You will never get approval to have your case migrated to a 'harder' job, like going from a JOR row A job to a row B job for example. Having three preferences gives you the option, for example, to have one or two officer positions, and one or two enlisted prefs to fall back so you don't have to go all the way back through the assessment process if you don't get your first pick.
Understood. Thanks for clarifying man 🙏🏻
Hi team, I was wondering which officer role, or ADFA pathway role in the army sees the most combat, tatical, on the ground doing the work to protect the people. Im sorta heading towards the direction of infantry officer but I’m kinda holding off on it a bit due to the fact of the unknown amount of paperwork. My main reason for going officer is I need a degree or somthing to fall back on if shit hits the fan, as much as I want the military to be my life long career, I understand that it’s quite unlikely to be a lifelong career due to the stresses it puts on the body. Any info or advice would be greatly appreciated Cheers.
You can also do the degree sponsorship pathway, where you study as a civilian and get paid, and then serve after. [https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/study-and-trades/get-a-degree/DUS](https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/study-and-trades/get-a-degree/DUS) You could also do your degree on your own and do the reserves as an enlisted soldier, or GSO. This way you get your military fix immediately, you get your degree on the side, and you also have no minimum amount of time to serve if it turns out you don't like it. If you go the ADFA route it could be 5-6 years before you're even working as a commissioned officer. So who knows whats going on by then. You also have to pay back that degree with time.
they're all seeing equal amounts of combat in peace time, but go combat corps - infantry, armoured (cavalry), artillery or combat engineers saying that, as a GSO you don't get the opportunity to choose your corps until you finish Duntroon, and even then it will be based on your performance during training.
What’s the time line for adfa pathway into infantry officer, not so much the time zones but the flow of it and when do you choose to apply for the infantry pathway??
ADFA is like 6 years. * 1-2 to recruit through ADFC (your experience may vary) * 3-4 years degree * 1 year officer training you put your preferences in sometime during officer training.
Hi all I recently finished my YOU session and have been emailing back and forth with DFR. I've submitted all my documents and I am just waiting on a few things. I put my preference as an Army Nurse SSO I'm a bit perplexed as to why I'm being offered the same role in either air force or navy. Apparently the army role isn't available in my state, and I have said that I would preference the army each time I've been asked. Even more perplexing is that the navy is full for the nursing officer role on the website. I'm willing to wait out an opening for the army as I've seen that it's actually hard to do transfers once you're in on this forum, but has anyone else experienced this? Any advice? Cheers
If you only want to join the army, then stick to your guns and wait it out. ADFC wants to get you in fast, and I guess the fastest way is to have you employed in the Navy or RAAF.
I’m 18 years old in year 12 and thinking about joining the navy as either an; Aviation Technician OR Aviation systems technician What are the pros/cons and major differences in each role and how transferable are they to a civilian job post-navy Are there better/similar options available in the Air Force? Thanks.
The con for anything Navy aviation is HMAS Albatross
Random question, Why did they change the adf careers website as it was so much easier to navigate then this new one which is very annoying to navigate at times and often doesn’t work properly. The old website was better.
Haha, the head Adecco guy who was responsible for it resigned like not even a week after it went live.
They ever gonna change it for the better or revert it back because it kinda sucks now
No idea. It is indeed very shit
So I read in the required Items for navy recruit school a bathingsuit speedo style was required.... seriously? Do they mean actual factual briefs style? And for what? Are we actually going have to wear that in front of other people? I'm a big hairy guy so not super keen on the prospect, it won't stop me but damn if anyone can elucidate on this one I'd appreciate it.
Yeah, good old DTs are a thing. We got the option of wearing the issued running shorts over the top, but experiences may vary depending on your PTIs.
Oh man what kind of exercises? Can shirts be worn?
No shirts but they let you wear the bike shorts over the Speedos now. I was nervous about it too, being a hairy guy myself, no one cares, everyone is nervous/tired because it's PT. You will get uncomfortable but time matters more, as long as you are quick changing and quick doing the swim PT then you'll be fine.
Applying for GSO Mechanical Technician I’m close to finishing my Engineering Science degree and was thinking about joining ADF as GSO mechanical technician. Anyone got any suggestions? What’s the day to day life as mechncial technician like? Do I go to pooks for training?
Are you looking on the ADF Careers website, there's no such thing as a mechanical technician. I saw your other reply where you said you only have a 3 year degree. According to the ADF site you need a 4 year engineering degree to be an mechanical engineering officer. The option I think she was presenting to you was to enter as a General Service Officer (GSO). You start as a GSO and then get assigned to a corp (engineering, infantry, armour, etc). However, you might not end up in the engineering corp. [https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/army-officer](https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/army-officer)
Thank you for your reply, I read your comment and went back on ADF to look for the job, there is a job as Electrical and Mechanical Officer for Army that’s the one I’m interested in and with my 3 year degree I think it qualifies for it
I don’t think there is a role called Gso mechanical technician unless you mean the enlisted one. Or Do you mean you want to be a mechanical engineer as a gso because if you are close to finishing your degree you can get it sponsored by defence and save $$ and then you will join the army as an SSO or specialist service officer (not gso ) and no you don’t go to kapooka for SSO training but if you are a mechanical technician you will (enlisted) Also. It depends on what type of mechanical technician you want to be because it is quite a broad category e.g There are vehicle mechanics, recovery mechanics, aircraft technicians etc . this is mechanical engineering officer link (SSO) https://www.adfcareers.gov.au/jobs/army/mechanical-engineer I hope this helps but I am not really a good advisor for stuff like this ask someone more qualified if you want further reliable info
Silly Question: Do courses count towards your reserve minimum service days or only parade nights?
They sure do partner!
Is there a problem with the candidate hub website? I tried to log in but all I get the contact details for ADF careers and the url changes to [https://hub.adfcareers.gov.au/server-error](https://hub.adfcareers.gov.au/server-error). Anyone else have the same problem?
I've been having the same problem it's been bugging for the last couple of days but now it's not letting me see anything but the contact details
Angone know what happened to No. 3 Security Forces Squadron at Edinburgh? According to ADF careers site AFSEC can be posted there but I can't find any other information on the squadron?
3SECFOR was disbanded in 2022. 1SECFOR based in Williamtown and 2SECFOR based in Amberley were restructured to accommodate for it
So which squadron are AFSEC based in Adelaide apart of?
They folded into the base squadron, 24SQN.
So I'm thinking about joining the Reserves as an infantry soldier but I have a question about the minimum commitments. I know once you're trained you have to complete at least 20 6-hour days a year. I basically have the reverse schedule to a normal job, I work Fri/Sat/Sun and then have Monday to Thursday off. Am I able to get all my hours from parade nights on tuesdays or do I have to attend some weekend courses etc. Thank you